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September 28, 2013

Decision Day For House Leadership On Continuing Resolution
— DrewM

To defund and face a shutdown or not? That's the question facing Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor and the House GOP caucus now that the Senate has returned the Continuing Resolution, minus the ObamaCare defunding language.

House members in the conservative faction say they have about 80 votes to support their position [put the defund language back in and push the Senate into shutting down the government]. But there are 233 Republicans in the House. What about the other 153? It could be that most of them would like to see some sort of Obamacare measure attached to the new continuing resolution -- either the one-year delay/defund measure or one of the smaller proposals -- but they are more concerned about the possibility of a government shutdown. "I definitely don't want a clean CR," says a House conservative. "But you very well could have a majority of our conference who say, 'Look, let's just get the CR off the table.' There is a lot of fear of a shutdown. The further we try to push the leadership, if they don't think that's realistic, it makes them more likely to do a clean CR."

I'm in favor of a shut down to get the defunding language put back in (and contra Gabe, I think the language that was in the House CR does what ObamaCare opponents want it to do). If that isn't going to happen, it is imperative that the House not pass a clean CR. They have to get something out of this fight before moving on to the debt ceiling/delay fight. If they walk away with nothing from the last two weeks they have already lost the next fight. The GOP has to set a marker that these fights lead to Democratic concessions. Once you beat someone for the first time, you set a pattern and develop momentum.

Assuming we aren't going to get a shut down and a fight to the end from the GOP, what should we want? The Vitter Amendment. Senator David Vitter (R-LA) has an amendment that would force the Obama administration to follow the law and subject Congress, staffers and some members of the executive branch to be subject to the ObamaCare exchanges and pay for their own damn insurance. If the Senate and Obama want to shut down the government to protect their personal insurance programs, that's a fight every Republican and conservative should relish.

Other options are including the repeal of the medical device tax in ObamaCare. That would be disasterous. The idea isn't to make ObamaCare more palatable it's to make it more painful. Yes, the tax is destructive but removing it from the larger program removes a leverage point for the delay/repeal fights.

The big benefit of focusing on the Vitter amendment is that if there's just one demand, and it's one that makes Democrats look bad for opposing, then the politics of a shut down are clear and on the GOP's side. If Reid and the Democrats cave, then it will make life miserable for the people who imposed this horror on the nation.

Either way, it's a win. Not the win we really need but a win. Team Delay will have been forced to stand and fight on the CR and having drawn some blood will make it harder for them to cave on the plan they've been selling all along.

Posted by: DrewM at 06:48 AM | Comments (229)
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1 First?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 28, 2013 06:49 AM (Y5I9o)

2 BAM!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 28, 2013 06:49 AM (Y5I9o)

3 Bueller?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 28, 2013 06:51 AM (Y5I9o)

4 It's all theater. The very few who have any real interest in defunding 0care are outnumbered by the rest. So much of this stuff is scripted and rehearsed behind closed doors and then played out in public in a way to make us think they are doing their jobs or they care...or something. Is it any wonder they have the Hollywood folks around them all the time? That's because they need help writing the scripts.

Posted by: John C at September 28, 2013 06:53 AM (UeU18)

5 I think Pat Buchanan had a brilliant idea about all this. The House should divide the budget up into about a dozen different CRs. One for DOD, one for education, one for energy, one for state, one for homeland security, etc., just break everything up into it's major components and send the senate a separate CR for everything. It would be asinine to include Obamacare funding in a CR specifically for DOD or education, etc. It would then be clearly on the Dems if they chose to reject these CRs and easy to make that case to the public. It's stupid the way we do this "all or nothing" game anyway of people passing each other's pork so they can get their own.

Posted by: Andrew at September 28, 2013 06:54 AM (VjlMj)

6 Did you read Sarah Palin's latest article? She compared Cruz and Lee to hunting dogs that flush out the prey for the hunters. Basically she is saying that Lee and the Cruz Missile have exposed the RINOS and made their primary fights that much harder. Good strategy and one that will hopefully help us in the long haul.

Posted by: Jmel at September 28, 2013 06:55 AM (cfFqn)

7 "The GOP has to set a marker that these fights lead to Democratic concessions. Once you beat someone for the first time, you set a pattern and develop momentum."

Bingo.

But that is hard-nosed, adult behavior, and it won't happen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2013 06:58 AM (/kU/5)

8 I'm willing to cede for the Vitter Amendment. Seeing as how Obama and the donks are gunning for a clean CR and/or a congressional approval for delaying this monstrosity, it's third party for me if the House settles for one of those options.

Posted by: mugiwara at September 28, 2013 06:59 AM (hpYnL)

9 "Basically she is saying that Lee and the Cruz Missile have exposed the RINOS and made their primary fights that much harder."

Last night I caught a radio program while I was driving and the host was reading a "list of the cowards," the names of the 25 republicans that voted with the Dems. lol

All I can say is we've started the ball rolling here in TX to get rid of Cornyn.

Posted by: Andrew at September 28, 2013 07:00 AM (VjlMj)

10 I just don't see an upside to delaying Obamacare. Why give him an extra year to work out the "glitches" (using MSM speak here)? Let it roll out this week and let it be a total and complete clusterfuck. First impressions of Obamacare have to be "WHAT THE FUCK IS IS THIS" from the LIV.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 28, 2013 07:01 AM (HDgX3)

11 It's on CSpan-1 now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:03 AM (DmNpO)

12 Awww ma-a-a-an! These guys are harshing our mellow. Just surrender and you'll get plenty of table scraps, you assholes. F-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u- Well, at least dump a shot or three of that sweet vixen Southern Comfort so's we can play around while you stymie those aholes who want to serve their constituents.

Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at September 28, 2013 07:03 AM (ZR4Xh)

13 80 House members?

That's not a bad start. Next year when they are all up for reelection, we'll have 80 or more R's in the House worth fight for.

The rest? Let them twist in the wind with their buddies in the D Party.

We're not going to win any legislative battles for a while, and this whole fight was never about winning legislative battles. It was about figuring out who was willing to fight, and who was not (or more importantly, who in the R Party were going to fight against the conservatives in their party).

It's becoming clearer every day. That does not bode well for the squishes in the R Party, for whom opacity has become a way of life.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:04 AM (BeSEI)

14 @Chris_Moody Here's one proposal GOP House members are considering adding to Senate CR. From @reptomgraves: http://1.usa.gov/1bQ20CQ*

@DougHeye Schedule announcement: on Saturday, first votes expected not before 1:00 p.m. Last votes expected: TBD.

* Had to shorten the link.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 07:04 AM (YjDyJ)

15 It is important to remember that most politicians think that the government should control your life. So they are not going to vote for anything that lessens their control over you. The depressing thing is that a lot of voters want someone to take care of them. This is why we are back to the Tory versus Continental conflict of the Revolutionary War. Or if you will, The Revolution Part Two. Do you want a King? Then America is not for you. The corollary of this is: If you do not want to take responsibility for your life, then you deserve to be poor. This is why the Democrats are so popular. They are willing to keep you poor so that they can be your King and take care of you. Isn't that marvelous?

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2013 07:04 AM (ib4tw)

When the Democrats want to bone America up the ass the GOP leadership can be counted on to make their first counter offer as "Ok but use lube." So you know, ok you wanted to delay it for a year, because you thought that was the best option. Well why the hell did you make that the beginning selling point you were trying to push? Especially when you're dealing with the dishonest shits that are the democrats, and Obama constantly pulls the Darth Vader "I'm altering the deal," everytime you gutless pussies that are supposed to be our reps think they are close to getting something done.

Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2013 07:04 AM (LI48c)

17 All I can say is we've started the ball rolling here in TX to get rid of Cornyn. *** Corker and Isakson should be at the top of the list followng McCain and Graham. They were sucking dick so fast I thought they might choke. Coats wasn't far behind them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:05 AM (DmNpO)

18 mmmm...
lets see,
continue being extorted to pay for the madness, illegitimacy, and monopoly of violence, that is nothing more than a regime in that cesspool of corruption on the patomac, even if it is for 1 day, deprive this horde of blood suckers and their freeshit sycophants eating out our existence and squandering our seed corn, our prosperity, or, let it spy on us, steal our hard won wealth, waste our earnings, and be forced to pay for the privelege of being treated with contempt...

i for one say DOOM!

i say let it burn

Posted by: Mt Top Patriot at September 28, 2013 07:06 AM (mEMHM)

19 Newt's Lessons on the Shutdown: Don't Fear It http://t.co/iPKdDrPj8M

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:07 AM (DmNpO)

20 I am so ready to toss Cornyn out.

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2013 07:08 AM (ib4tw)

21 Good idea, BUT I think Keystone will get some labor Senators on board too.

Posted by: John Smith at September 28, 2013 07:10 AM (wR+pz)

22 Corker and Isakson should be at the top of the list followng McCain and Graham. They were sucking dick so fast I thought they might choke. Coats wasn't far behind them. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 11:05 AM (DmNpO) ________ It is truly amazing that Georgia, SC and TN would produce some of the most liberal senators. It would be like NY, NJ and Hawaii sending the most conservative senators to DC. It's mind boggling.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 28, 2013 07:10 AM (HDgX3)

23 Not the win we really need but a win. Hey, who needs a win when you can lose with honor!

Posted by: John "Persian Melons" McCain at September 28, 2013 07:10 AM (FcR7P)

24 One thing that is memorable about the last two weeks is the stink that Cruz raised. One person really showed that he can toss a monkey wrench in the works. Now the question is, why didn't the other Republican senators do this for the last five years?

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2013 07:12 AM (ib4tw)

25 If the Vitter amendment can't pass, the next best thing is Ron Johnson's bill to strip away the "employer contributions" which are being used to subsidize their current healthcare plans. According to his speech on the floor, they are illegally diverting funds which were supposed to subsidize the Obamacare subsidies.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:12 AM (DmNpO)

26 @17 Don't forget me!

Posted by: Good ole Lamar Alexander at September 28, 2013 07:12 AM (wR+pz)

27 uh...Obamacare exchanges

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:12 AM (DmNpO)

28 What's really precious about all this is that shedloads of people who are saying "I'm done with the Republican Party," and what the Republican Party is hearing when they say this is "I'm mad at the Republican Party, but what other choice do I have? I'll be back to voting for them next year."

They are drowning in denial.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:12 AM (BeSEI)

29 One thing that is memorable about the last two weeks is the stink that Cruz raised. One person really showed that he can toss a monkey wrench in the works. Now the question is, why didn't the other Republican senators do this for the last five years? *** As Cruz put it on Rush: they no longer think they can win. They all have a defeatist attitude. Once a Rep or a Senator has lost their will to fight for the people, they.must.go!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:14 AM (DmNpO)

30 Ross is speaking on the congress and staff (Grassley original bill) etc being also subject to the aca.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:14 AM (nqBYe)

31 Once a Rep or a Senator has lost their will to fight for the people, they.must.go! Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 11:14 AM (DmNpO

+100

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:15 AM (nqBYe)

32 On the other hand... someone who I don't think has been given ENOUGH credit for being a warrior is Jeff Sessions. My t.v. was turned to CSpan2 every hour of every day this week and that man fought his heart out. He returned to the floor repeatedly to argue the point.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:16 AM (DmNpO)

33 29 -

Cruz is just being gentle. The evidence is pretty stark: the reason Republicans are putting up with what is happening in Washington is because... they WANT what is happening in Washington to happen.

Even the most abused dog will run away or fight back before the 5 years is up.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:16 AM (BeSEI)

No 29.

You know, I never thought about that, but it makes perfect sense. And it explains a whole lot. And who was the representative that I saw on Fox last night calling Cruz all kinds of names. I think he was from New York. I would get rid of that turkey double quick.

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2013 07:17 AM (ib4tw)

35 yeah sessions, vitter, lee ,cruz these all stand out, They have stuck their head out on the block. For the Right thing! US

see reps and dems treatment .

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:18 AM (nqBYe)

36 Once a Rep or a Senator has lost their will to fight for the people, they.must.go! Vote for me and I will gladly accept all the perks of life in DC. But that's all.

Posted by: Your GOP at September 28, 2013 07:18 AM (FcR7P)

37 34 -

Peter King

The guy is a pig.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:19 AM (BeSEI)

38 A word of advice from Roy Blount: http://bit.ly/193AlNJ

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:19 AM (DmNpO)

39 I heard the navigators not only handle our health stuff, but they are foreign handlers? (india)?
or did i misunderstand that?

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:19 AM (nqBYe)

40 It's been said before, but the way to go is fund each department of the government with its own separate funding bill. Send them piecemeal to SCOAMF and the Searchlight pederast. If they refuse to sign them then it will be THEY who will be throwing granny over the cliff and killing the children (the ones already ex-utero). Send them a bill every few days WITHOUT Obamacare. That is the winning strategery, IMHO

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 28, 2013 07:20 AM (WjLUf)

41 38 A word of advice from Roy Blount: http://bit.ly/193AlNJ Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 11:19 AM (DmNpO) A bit of advice to Roy Blount. Go fuck yourself. Thank you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 28, 2013 07:20 AM (WjLUf)

42 Ted Poe up now

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:20 AM (DmNpO)

43 Just waiting for JackStraw, JeffB and Hollowpoint to come tell us this is all magic and pixie dust.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 28, 2013 07:20 AM (IPz9m)

44 Thanks. Yeah, he was real unimpressive.

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2013 07:20 AM (ib4tw)

45 How about funding Ocrap for thirty days in the CR? That way the shutdown is now off the table, and the Democrats need to deal with the House again to negotiate solely on ObamaCare.

Posted by: Ian Galt at September 28, 2013 07:21 AM (QdOC1)

46 It's been said before, but the way to go is fund each department of the government with its own separate funding bill. Send them piecemeal to SCOAMF and the Searchlight pederast. *** They should've had those bills ready in anticipation of what the Senate would do.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:21 AM (DmNpO)

47 38 -

Roy Blunt can go suck a bowling ball. He's my number 1 target for people I want to NEVER vote for again.

I bought an extra book of stamps, just for him.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:22 AM (BeSEI)

48 How about funding Ocrap for thirty days in the CR? That way the shutdown is now off the table, and the Democrats need to deal with the House again to negotiate solely on ObamaCare.

Posted by: Ian Galt at September 28, 2013 11:21 AM (QdOC1)

Shutdown is the one leverage that exists. Rs got nothing otherwise.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 28, 2013 07:22 AM (IPz9m)

49 Close up the Cadillac Division, we're all driving Obama's Volkswagen now. No exceptions.

Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2013 07:22 AM (x2W/k)

50 They are drowning in denial.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 11:12 AM (BeSEI)

Excellent point.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2013 07:22 AM (/kU/5)

51 It looks like it is time to primary Blount.

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2013 07:23 AM (ib4tw)

52 I heard the navigators not only handle our health stuff, but they are foreign handlers? (india)? or did i misunderstand that? *** I'm not entirely clear about the navigators. I walked back into the room and caught the last gal talking about them but missed the speech. I do know that my governor, Rick Scott, wants nothing to do with them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:23 AM (DmNpO)

53 @45 Gosh. I don't know. Won't that upset the President?

Posted by: Good ole Lamar Alexander at September 28, 2013 07:23 AM (wR+pz)

54 It's been said before, but the way to go is fund each department of the government with its own separate funding bill. Send them piecemeal to SCOAMF and the Searchlight pederast.

If they refuse to sign them then it will be THEY who will be throwing granny over the cliff and killing the children (the ones already ex-utero).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 28, 2013 11:20 AM (WjLUf)

I believe that is what Cruz had said mulitple times during the fillibuster. all necessary things would be funded, military , Pentagon etc. s.s check .

although all I heard from Durbin is we will be vulnerable in these precarious times Terrorists! will take advantage and BOO!

pathetic. and lying liars lie

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:23 AM (nqBYe)

55 Hah! You Morons should be listening to the Pod-Cast thingy. It's funny as hell and features DrewM & Iowahawk! Even the boring car parts are interesting, I promise! Just a bunch of sooper-smart dudes talking about "stuff" is, in my opinion, a tonne of fun.

Posted by: Deety at September 28, 2013 07:24 AM (JOXw+)

56 51 -

Sure, but we are Missouri. We'll put Todd Akin up to primary him.

Or maybe we'll see if Alan Keyes will change his address to a P.O. box in St. Louis.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:25 AM (BeSEI)

57 19 Newt's Lessons on the Shutdown: Don't Fear It http://t.co/iPKdDrPj8M Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 11:07 AM (DmNpO) ==================== Good stuff there

Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2013 07:25 AM (qf2kI)

58 Niedermeyer, I don't think the woman from the Carolina addressed that issue, i believ i read it in ibd or forbes , Forgot , it was yesterday or the day before.
that's a looong time ago for me. lol

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:25 AM (nqBYe)

59 Seriously, we are told ad naseaum that the GOP leadership are playing 11 dimensional parliamentary chess, yet they hadn't even prepared for any contingency such as what Drew just mentioned, hitting the Dems with the congressional exemption.

That they didn't prepare demonstrates clearly their actual, internal goals, which is to protect their sinecures. That's it. They got theirs, fuck everyone else. Don't rock the boat, keep the gravy rolling.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 28, 2013 07:26 AM (IPz9m)

60 Right,
let's pass a law that forces the Obama administration to obey the laws that congress passes.

Gun control in Chicago isn't working when gang bangers post pictures of themselves and their guns on facebook, and brag about 'drilling', so we need to pass national gun laws to end the cycle of violence in Chicago.

International arms trafficking has to stop, so the United Nations calls upon member nations to pass strict gun control laws to prevent arms smuggling across international borders.

Posted by: Nightmare on Web Street at September 28, 2013 07:26 AM (LetBd)

61 Kinda funny: This guy, @EricHolthaus, a meteorologist. He live tweeted his emotional breakdown after reading the new UN global warming report. He's vowing to sterilize himself to save the planet from climate change. Also vows to never fly again. Of course, the evil part is he says he's willing for all of humanity go extinct if that's necessary, not just his bloodline. So, watch that dude, budding eco-terrorist. Daily Mail UK has the story.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2013 07:27 AM (ZPrif)

62 Link in nic.... I have 2 theories: 1)- Slash all government spending by half, then halve it once again. And keep doing it until a majority scream. Then halve it again- and it will be about right. 2)- Go back to 1996 budget levels- yep, Clinton era. That would be about right, too.

Posted by: backhoe at September 28, 2013 07:27 AM (ULH4o)

63 39 I heard the navigators not only handle our health stuff, but they are foreign handlers? (india)? or did i misunderstand that? Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 11:19 AM (nqBYe) ====================== I'd imagine that would be true. Health care data is routinely shipped overseas for data entry. To India, China, the Phillipines; it goes everywhere, usually in whole form (i.e., not as snippets).

Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2013 07:28 AM (qf2kI)

64 48 -

Yes, but if Obamacare gets automatically defunded after 30 days, then the Dems are forced to come to the table, and plead for funding.

Of course, if they do not agree with the original 30 day funding in the CR, then theoretically they get blamed for shutting down the government.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for shutting things down and letting it burn, I'm just trying to throw a bone to the Rs that are giant pussies.

Posted by: Ian Galt at September 28, 2013 07:28 AM (QdOC1)

Strip every waiver and every exception/exemption.

You want medical care, Mr. Obama?

Well, get in line, asshole.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2013 07:30 AM (m0K/P)

66 I am thinking time for the Football thread. I getting depressed hashing this shit out. When the going gets tough, the tough get drunk. Let's watch some football and drink.

Posted by: John Smith at September 28, 2013 07:30 AM (wR+pz)

67 Hey did you guys know that the defunding effort doesn't fully stop Obamacare? Did you know that? The defunding doesn't actually repeal Obamacare. Apparently based on the number of times some of had to bring that up we all believed that was the case. Who knew that we were all so stupid to think that defund = full repeal.

Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2013 07:30 AM (LI48c)

68
The House RepublicansÂ’ meeting, which is to begin at noon, is intended to produce spending legislation that is coupled with Republican health care demands, and the measure would face a vote on Sunday.

The Republican 72 hour promise.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2013 07:30 AM (kdS6q)

69 " Now the question is, why didn't the other Republican senators do this for the last five years? "

Time and events produce the leaders for reform. The Tea Party pushed Cruz all the way to the Senate. Ted Cruz wasn't Perry's and the Texas establishment's choice, he was chosen by the working people of Texas' and endorsed by Sarah Palin.. The people of this country have reached their financial and moral limits, and, for the middle class, electing wealth collectors for the Ruling Elite is no longer an option for survival.

Posted by: mrp at September 28, 2013 07:30 AM (HjPtV)

70 Strip every waiver and every exception/exemption.
You want medical care, Mr. Obama?
Well, get in line, asshole.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2013 11:30 AM (m0K/P)

Yes, you'd think there would be some Law on equality under the law.

anyway i wonder if WE would have standing once it starts rolling out because of waivers, exemptions ?

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:32 AM (nqBYe)

71 Wow. I actually agree with Drew. How often does that happen?

Posted by: JohnJ at September 28, 2013 07:32 AM (TF/YA)

72 67 -

Also something none of us ever knew or considered: Ted Cruz has future political aspirations!

Crazy, innit?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:33 AM (BeSEI)

56-

I imagine that it is already time to toss out rule number one for the upcoming Republican primaries. Do not say stupid stuff. Corollary number one, if you have that overwhelming desire to say something that is off message, then you are not the guy who should be running. Corollary number two. If you got the ego thing going, and think that you are the most special person ever, then you are not the guy either. We got too much going on to waste our votes on Stupid.

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2013 07:33 AM (ib4tw)

74 one of their shticks recently is to say Republicans have brought bills to the floor 42 times (number varies) It's the Law of the Land!

shut up !

so should we write an amendment no Laws should ever be challenged? Stick Their faces in it? Because Law of the Land?
what about their attempts to change Gun rights law, Doma , whatever their cause of the decade is ?

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:35 AM (nqBYe)

75 Burt Ted Cruz should know his place. Shameful for him to take the time to point out the pitfalls for Americans in the ACA

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:36 AM (nqBYe)

76 one of their shticks recently is to say Republicans have brought bills to the floor 42 times (number varies) It's the Law of the Land!

shut up !

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 11:35 AM (nqBYe)

I know right? They say it as if it exonerates them, but what it really says is that they caved every single time the Senate said no.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 28, 2013 07:36 AM (IPz9m)

Podcast was pretty funny.

Good to see Iowahawk bringing some knowledge re: the Ford / AC Cobra.

Really fun cars to drive, and quite frankly just to look at. Sex on wheels, those things.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2013 07:37 AM (m0K/P)

78 fgs i'm turning into a regular chatty cathy.
i blame dems pulling my strings

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:37 AM (nqBYe)

79 73 -

One of the best unkept secrets around here is that Charlie Dooley, the twice-elected St. Louis County Executive (chief political operator in county government, which is completely separate from St. Louis city) is fairly close to being a complete illiterate.

Seriously, everyone knows he's got an IQ somewhere in the mid 80s, but he's the head of government because... he never says anything! They never let him speak.

The man knows his limitations, I give him credit for that.

And I'm pretty sure he's destined for higher office. Such as... being Roy Blunt's opponent in '16.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:37 AM (BeSEI)

80 74 one of their shticks recently is to say Republicans have brought bills to the floor 42 times (number varies) It's the Law of the Land!

shut up !

so should we write an amendment no Laws should ever be challenged? Stick Their faces in it? Because Law of the Land?
what about their attempts to change Gun rights law, Doma , whatever their cause of the decade is ?

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 11:35 AM (nqBYe)

And the democrats know that the Republicans are just going to keep on sending bills to the Senate so they can just wait until its time for the "CRISIS MUST BE RESOLVED" moment like now to get the Republicans in the House to cave. You sent 42 bills? What the fuck are you doing sending more. Tell them you've done you job and now its time for the Senate to do theirs, you'll be back when its time for reconciliation of the bills.

Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2013 07:38 AM (LI48c)

81 *peeks in, heads back to wine thread*

Posted by: rickl at September 28, 2013 07:38 AM (sdi6R)

82 Come on Dave. First game in 30 minutes. Show us the elbows!

Posted by: John Smith at September 28, 2013 07:38 AM (wR+pz)

83 You people that continue to bring up Akin kill me. Serves no purpose what so ever. I would remind you of the actual GOP Presidential candidates from the last couple cycles. FYNQ. There is no bottom to the GOP stupidity barrel.

Posted by: nip at September 28, 2013 07:38 AM (jI23+)

84 Win or lose, what Cruz did was to reveal which senators listen to their constituents and which listen to Beltway lifers

Posted by: kbdabear at September 28, 2013 07:38 AM (aTXUx)

85 79 -

Did I mention Charlie is black?

It's relevant.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:38 AM (BeSEI)

86 83 -

I live in Missouri, nitwit. It serves a purpose. These are the people the R party nominates here.

I really don't care if it's relevant to you or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 07:40 AM (BeSEI)

87 Strip every exemption. Hum that is not a bad idea.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2013 07:40 AM (1RQeV)

88 "I just don't see an upside to delaying Obamacare. Why give him an extra year to work out the glitches"

I agree with this. Either defund it or LET IT BURN. No delays. If we don't have the will to defund it that means the people aren't suffering enough, and they only way that will happen is to let people experience the pain. Let Obamacare create the economic consequences we all know that it will. And I don't get why the Republicans would want to delay it... wouldn't Obamacare pain HELP them in 2014???

Posted by: Andrew at September 28, 2013 07:40 AM (VjlMj)

89 this is what happens when you don't fight the little battles...you end up having to fight the war....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 28, 2013 07:40 AM (8JJ6O)

90 The House of Reps works on a Saturday?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 28, 2013 07:41 AM (a4Omg)

91 As part of the Let It Burn strategy they should just vote present on this type of stuff. Don't vote for it, just don't vote No either.

In reality though we aren't unified enough for any of this.

Posted by: Andrew at September 28, 2013 07:41 AM (VjlMj)

92 Win or lose, what Cruz did was to reveal which senators listen to their constituents and which listen to Beltway lifers *** Dang straight!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:42 AM (DmNpO)

93 Buzzion, i honestly don't really understand the Republicans position or the castigation of Cruz.
Because it points out how weak they are?
How they haven't really taken the time to instruct the citizens on the 27 page bill or its 20 thousands pages of new regulations in Lawyer speak?

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:42 AM (nqBYe)

94 82 Come on Dave. First game in 30 minutes.

Show us the elbows! Posted by: John Smith at September 28, 2013 11:38 AM

Jennifer Connelly and her beautiful elbows

pic.twitter.com/X0cU2WoJal

Posted by: kbdabear at September 28, 2013 07:42 AM (aTXUx)

95 obama, extremist in the congress (right now cspan) speech.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:42 AM (nqBYe)

96 Didn't Palin also endorse evil traitor Ayotte? Can we question her judgment for wanting to primary her own endorsement two years later?

Seriously you guys, much higher election rate than Rove!

Posted by: Shoot Me at September 28, 2013 07:43 AM (qiXMt)

97 Seriously, we are told ad naseaum that the GOP leadership are playing 11 dimensional parliamentary chess, yet they hadn't even prepared for any contingency such as what Drew just mentioned, hitting the Dems with the congressional exemption. Top. Men. Also, ORCA! Jeebus, it's like these guys figured out direct-mail 40 years ago and can't get off of it. Hey, Karl! Most NORMAL people trash ALL of the MAIL, except for the ones that mean they need to pay $ to keep Electricity flowing. Dummy. But what do YOU care? I'm quite sure that CrossRoads will be fully funded by the functionally retarded %1, in perpetuity. Your donors, Karl, are not in line with what will help me and mine.

Posted by: Deety at September 28, 2013 07:43 AM (JOXw+)

98 Does the Vitter Amendment require the President to enforce the employer mandate NOW? Or does he get away with his one-year delay?

Posted by: Handcuffed to the Bumper of a State Trooper's Ford at September 28, 2013 07:43 AM (eMtQ2)

99 2,700 hundred page bill* or 20 thousand pages of regulations*

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:43 AM (nqBYe)

100 The House of Reps works on a Saturday? *** Yep! It's a CYA measure. They have to put something in Senate hands as soon as possible in order for Republicans to have a viable argument that it is the Dems who are shutting down govt.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:43 AM (DmNpO)

101

An article in the sidebar highlights where we are right now.

Republicans (and conservatives) have no plan. Just like the idiots we laughed at during the Occupy Wall Street scam, when interviewed neither the leaders of the followers could say what it was that they wanted.

Using the paraphrase in the article, republicans never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. We stand immobile while democrats set up situations that make them look good to the unknowing masses while we look like uncaring monsters.

Why does this happen? A lot is attributable to the fact that on some topics, we are so wrapped up in the words that we never explore the ideas.

Right now, there is an opportunity to turn the entire healthcare thing around to the advantage of conservatives. However, in order to make it work in the real world, we would have to bargain away universal catastrophic government run single payer for market driven reforms in everyday care.

When looked at in the light of day, there are reasons to go with government single payer as opposed to government paid private insurance, which we're into now. However, try to have a conversation along those line and see how far you get.

Solutions are easy if that's what you're looking for.

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 07:44 AM (u2a4R)

102 The House of Reps works on a Saturday? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 28, 2013 11:41 AM (a4Omg) "Work" is very loose term

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2013 07:44 AM (1RQeV)

103
Just waiting for JackStraw, JeffB and Hollowpoint to come tell us this is all magic and pixie dust.
Posted by: KG

They called. They're carpooling in today and stopping for donuts. Be here in about 15.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 28, 2013 07:45 AM (kdS6q)

104 Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Co. lifted a great big rock at a time when the voters in this country were watching and listening intently to the events taking place on Capitol Hill. A lot of folks didn't like what they saw under that rock.

Posted by: mrp at September 28, 2013 07:46 AM (HjPtV)

105 Hey, Karl! Most NORMAL people trash ALL of the MAIL, except for the ones that mean they need to pay $ to keep Electricity flowing.

Dummy.

Posted by: Deety at September 28, 2013 11:43 AM

Last year every damned robocall was from the RNC. I wonder how many senior votes that cost from the old folks who don't screen their calls

Posted by: kbdabear at September 28, 2013 07:46 AM (aTXUx)

106 96 Didn't Palin also endorse evil traitor Ayotte? Can we question her judgment for wanting to primary her own endorsement two years later? Seriously you guys, much higher election rate than Rove! Posted by: Shoot Me at September 28, 2013 11:43 AM (qiXMt) You're a clueless idiot.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 28, 2013 07:46 AM (LI48c)

107 Solutions are easy if that's what you're looking for. Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 11:44 AM (u2a4R) The President and the Dems refused to negotiate with us when they pushed this fiasco thru and they refuse to negotiate now. So I don't don't know what your shoveling and who your are shoveling this shit to?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 28, 2013 07:46 AM (1RQeV)

108 jwest, bringing the tard

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 28, 2013 07:47 AM (ZPrif)

109 No boobehs?

Posted by: The Man from Athens at September 28, 2013 07:47 AM (RXQ2T)

110 The President and the Dems refused to negotiate with us when they pushed this fiasco thru and they refuse to negotiate now. So I don't don't know what your shoveling and who your are shoveling this shit to? *** Every time the GOP asked for unanimous consent to allow consideration of a bill, they were shot down. Every.Single.Time. The Dems do not want to negotiate on ANY aspect of the law whatsoever.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:49 AM (DmNpO)

111 we can all take turns at being boobs.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:49 AM (nqBYe)

112 Stand fast! Shut it down! The less DC works the better for us all!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at September 28, 2013 07:50 AM (RXQ2T)

113

we can all take turns at being boobs.

Fall is always a good time to recalibrate those light meters, ladies.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2013 07:50 AM (m0K/P)

114

Hey, HEY! Important George Zimmerman update!

George Zimmerman Update: Theft reported at Shellie Zimmerman's parents' home in Fla.

CBS) LAKE MARY, Fla. - Police say they were called to a home in Lake Mary, Fla. owned by George Zimmerman's in-laws on a report of a theft Thursday, reports CBS affiliate WKMG.

The station reports police received a call from Machelle Dean, George Zimmerman's mother-in-law, claiming hundreds of dollars in items were missing from a home she and her husband own and that the home was damaged.

"There was some damage to the house. Who committed that damage, I don't know. Was it there before hand, I don't know," Lake Mary police officer Zach Hudson said. "We're trying to figure out exactly what we have here."

Posted by: Cletus the LIV at September 28, 2013 07:52 AM (57ubW)

115

How about someone laying out exactly what we true conservatives want concerning the healthcare system?

That way, when the subject comes up, we can argue our side and persuade people to vote for our candidates.

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 07:52 AM (u2a4R)

116 $25,000 Healthcare Vouchers for ALL!

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2013 07:53 AM (m0K/P)

117 "Republicans (and conservatives) have no plan."

To be fair, I'm pretty sure the House leadership had a plan. After deployment of the Cruz missile, the old plan was no longer operative. Boehner and Cantor are now awaiting results from wizened practitioners of extispicy (K Street bundlers) before announcing a new plan.

Posted by: mrp at September 28, 2013 07:55 AM (HjPtV)

118 listening to the cbo guy the other night. Is this what he said?

this will help bring money into the govt and could lower the deficit , and if it doesn't go through the govt would have 100 billion more debt in ten years?

sure it would give the govt more money to play with. We know they could be trusted with more money and spend wisely, Right?

But what does this do to unconnected civilians growth or savings, retirements or attempts to raise themselves out of poverty into the middle class?

How does 29 hours actually help a private citizen, How does that help make those trying to better themselves better themselves? How does adding more taxes to those that are now working less if working at all encourage economy growth or climb out of poverty?

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:55 AM (nqBYe)

119 115 How about someone laying out exactly what we true conservatives want concerning the healthcare system? That way, when the subject comes up, we can argue our side and persuade people to vote for our candidates. Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 11:52 AM (u2a4R) Why don't you just wait for chuck schumer to tell you what you want.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 28, 2013 07:56 AM (Ia3u+)

120

The House leadership seemingly recognizes that the conservatives had not coalesced Jan. last on a route sans Boehner. The Senate, however, has no clue that they will not only lose pivotal incumbencies but their opportunity to swing the Senate majority has evaporated.

There is no justifiable reason to place the onus on their public to suffer while they sit pretty.

Posted by: gary gulrud at September 28, 2013 07:56 AM (uv0Aw)

121 Folding like a cheap suit. Who would have thought. REMOVE WAIVERS AND FORCE ENFORCEMENT NOW!!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at September 28, 2013 07:56 AM (CgVEi)

122 The sound of a cheap lawn chair folding is what I hear.

Posted by: SNAFU at September 28, 2013 07:56 AM (Cs2tJ)

123 Over at NRO the corner, there is story about republican senators being frustrated. F you, you fn dbags. You go there, go along to get along, vote yourself favourable treatment, generally vote against Americans best interest, all the while talking about how you are against progressive bs. Talk. Talk. Try being a voter and tax payer. Then tell me about frustrated.

Posted by: traye at September 28, 2013 07:57 AM (n1Nay)

124

in before that fucking communist jwest shows up or before JeffB says something to embarrass himself

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 07:57 AM (HED0H)

125 nope, the fucking commie beat me here

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 07:58 AM (HED0H)

126 That way, when the subject comes up, we can argue our side and persuade people to vote for our candidates. Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 11:52 AM (u2a4R) Stop threatening to throw people in jail for making uncoerced contracts with each other concerning healthcare. BOOM. Problem solved.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at September 28, 2013 07:58 AM (CgVEi)

127 Elbows r up.

Posted by: johnd01 at September 28, 2013 07:58 AM (r0+v0)

128 You're half right ncj

Posted by: Buzzion at September 28, 2013 07:58 AM (Ia3u+)

129 O/T .. Fireman rescues kitten from house fire, revives kitteh from smoke inhalation

http://tinyurl.com/mbzswav

That's another reason people like firemen a lot more than cops

Posted by: kbdabear at September 28, 2013 07:58 AM (aTXUx)

130

(Using my best Lt. Dan impression)

Buzzion, are you and garrett related?

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 07:59 AM (u2a4R)

131 At the House press conference, there's a protesters calling the Republicans demons... CSpan is airing it. Holding a sign that they are bigger killers than the Navy Yard shooter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 07:59 AM (DmNpO)

132

Steyn nails the zeitgeist right here:

"The West assumes it can endure as a kind of upscale boutique unaffected by the changes beyond. Like, say, the frozen-yogurt shop at the Westgate mall in Nairobi Â— until last weekend."

Because we're the USA somehow we're going to deficit and wasteful spend our way to prosperity with low economic growth, lavish entitlements, fraud, and a world where part time workers making tens of thousands can fund six-figure employees surfing porn eight hours a day in marble palaces in DC.

Unsustainable.

Posted by: Beagle at September 28, 2013 07:59 AM (sOtz/)

133 omg this guy saying republicans are demons, killers, etc

nice.
not children of G-d

nice that cspan gives him the time ..
am just asking a question
these are demons, Republicans demons, LOL crazy town.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 07:59 AM (nqBYe)

134 In before the dried splooge is scraped away from the corners of matenlochs cake hole. *** Fuck you

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:00 AM (DmNpO)

135 the media really needs a kick in the ass for causing this train wreck. for formenting all the lies.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 08:00 AM (nqBYe)

136 After thinking about I crack myself up. Bringing up the GOP is pointless.

Posted by: nip at September 28, 2013 08:02 AM (jI23+)

137 the media really needs a kick in the ass for causing this train wreck. for formenting all the lies. *** It will take Fox airing Special Report on its broadcast network for many Americans to hear the other side of the story. For too many who cannot afford cable, broadcast news is their source for information.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:02 AM (DmNpO)

138 football post up. I'm staying here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:03 AM (DmNpO)

139 133 purp will be by soon and his BH is as quick as his BO is terrible

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:03 AM (HED0H)

140

♫ You gotta fight... for your right.... ♫

Posted by: Beasty Boys at September 28, 2013 08:04 AM (Pr6hk)

141

anyone see the yahoo story on the military not getting paid because the GOP hates the military

its pathetic

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:05 AM (HED0H)

142 House Republicans have already voted on a federal budget and passed it (it does not defund ObamaCare and also doesn't fund lots of other useless shit we don't need). The House should now adjourn.

Posted by: someguy at September 28, 2013 08:05 AM (xlCX2)

143 lol, Judy Chu. (D)

and they get away with it.

marsha blackburn is pretty.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 08:05 AM (nqBYe)

144 What I don't understand is why the Republicans don't put more stuff in the CR. Like gutting the IRS, EPA, NSA etc. It seems like a lack of vision. They could be forcing the libs to play defense across a wider field, spreading them thinner. And then when they start bitching say, "Well if you guys would actually pass a budget, we wouldn't have to do things this way." or as has been mentioned Forcing Obama to comply with the law as written. Removing all exemptions, and waivers, forcing the law into full effect right now. Or at least forcing government workers on it first, before the rest of us. Force Obama into a constitutional crisis. And why not sell a government shutdown as a good thing? We know 40% of it is considered "essential" and that social security checks will go out. So no citizen will get hurt. Republicans should sell a shutdown as a "government reset". People understand "shutdown" and "reset".

Posted by: Iblis at September 28, 2013 08:07 AM (VmNzY)

145 Just waiting for JackStraw, JeffB and Hollowpoint to come tell us this is all magic and pixie dust.
Posted by: KG

MY hopeless, purely symbolic gesture is better than YOUR hopeless, purely symbolic gesture.

That said, backing the Vitter amendment (or something similar) is a good political move. Reid won't allow it, but pointing out that Obamacare lets politicians play under different rules than the rest of us is something that could resonate with the average voter.

Whether it's worth a pushing shutdown over, I'm on the fence.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 08:07 AM (X9Mnx)

146

142 marsha blackburn is pretty

well duh, she's from Tennessee, there's something in the water there

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:09 AM (HED0H)

147 104 Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Co. lifted a great big rock at a time when the voters in this country were watching and listening intently to the events taking place on Capitol Hill. A lot of folks didn't like what they saw under that rock.
Posted by: mrp at September 28, 2013 11:46 AM

Ha! Sen. Mike Lee zings older Senate colleagues, gets standing ovation at #CPACSTL

http://tinyurl.com/lujujyw

Posted by: kbdabear at September 28, 2013 08:10 AM (aTXUx)

148 144 um, someone said you had donuts?

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:11 AM (HED0H)

149 Whether it's worth a pushing shutdown over, I'm on the fence. Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 12:07 PM (X9Mnx) I think it's the best strategy. Keep pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If the shutdown happens, and the world doesn't end, Republicans win. If the Dems don't budge, they look really bad.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at September 28, 2013 08:11 AM (CgVEi)

150 Ugh. Keith Ellison on the floor

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:12 AM (DmNpO)

151 Outrageous: Crapweasel Sen. Graham lies through his teeth about O-care vote; Citizens slam

http://tinyurl.com/khvymaj

Posted by: kbdabear at September 28, 2013 08:12 AM (aTXUx)

152

Obama 2006 ; Mr. President, I rise today to talk about AmericaÂ’s debt problem . The fact that we are here today to debate raising AmericaÂ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government canÂ’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our GovernmentÂ’s reckless fiscal policies.

[...]
Increasing AmericaÂ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that Â‘Â‘the buck stops here.Â’Â’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase AmericaÂ’s debt limit

also 2006 debt limit vote down by dems

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 08:13 AM (nqBYe)

153 Ha! Sen. Mike Lee zings older Senate colleagues, gets standing ovation at #CPACSTL *** HA!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:13 AM (DmNpO)

154 so what is it Dems!?

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 08:13 AM (nqBYe)

155 Keith Ellison - 5th District supporter of Muslim extremists...

Posted by: Tony253 at September 28, 2013 08:13 AM (3yMFT)

156 152, arg i missed that neidermeyer.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 08:14 AM (nqBYe)

157 Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 45s House CR plan trickles out... RT @j_strong: Confirmed: 1 yr delay + repeal of med device tax

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:16 AM (DmNpO)

158

Per Twitter, sounds like the GOP strategy today will be one year delay of ObamaCare.

Posted by: Tony253 at September 28, 2013 08:16 AM (3yMFT)

159 @robertcostaNRO House CR plan trickles out... RT @j_strong: Confirmed: 1 yr delay + repeal of med device tax

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 08:17 AM (YjDyJ)

160 honestly i do not know how dems can look in the mirror.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 08:18 AM (nqBYe)

161 honestly i do not know how dems can look in the mirror. *** The Devil is not repelled by his own image

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:18 AM (DmNpO)

162 I think it's the best strategy. Keep pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If the shutdown happens, and the world doesn't end, Republicans win. If the Dems don't budge, they look really bad.

Yeah, that's the attractive part of it.

On the other hand, I'm less than confident that someone on our side won't fuck it up by adding some other provision that ends up providing the Dems with an excuse to block the amendment.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 08:19 AM (X9Mnx)

163 ofgs!

i have to take a break.

these people are making me nuts.
bl going to smell the flowers in their last bloom

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2013 08:21 AM (nqBYe)

164

Iblis,

I read a lot of people here who seem to understand the inside baseball of politics a lot better than I do. I was only a congressional intern briefly and debated politics since childhood.

Nobody thinks that shotgun pellets strategy (I dub it) is a bad idea from what I've read.

So the question becomes "Why don't they do it?" Which was your question wasn't it?

The consensus is they only care about their cushy lives in DC, know they are crashing the ship of state on the rocks, and just want to have life preservers for themselves and their families.

Posted by: Beagle at September 28, 2013 08:22 AM (sOtz/)

165 @robertcostaNRO House CR plan trickles out... RT @j_strong: Confirmed: 1 yr delay + repeal of med device tax
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 12:17 PM (YjDyJ)

So the House opts to side with Obama by delaying this disaster for a year until after the next round of elections, but at least held strong in demanding the Obamacare monstrosity will have even more unfunded costs. Did I get that right?

Posted by: mugiwara at September 28, 2013 08:23 AM (hpYnL)

166 The Pew poll earlier this week abut who would get the blame for a shut down should embolden Conservatives even more. I'll take a 39-36 blame for saving the Republic...

Posted by: Tony253 at September 28, 2013 08:23 AM (3yMFT)

167 Good Lord, is Sheila Jackson Lee managing a modicum of coherency? Oh, Nope, never mind. Carry on

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 28, 2013 08:25 AM (fzFF6)

168 No Vitter amendment? If Costa's reporting is accurate, then K-Street has issued its orders.

Posted by: mrp at September 28, 2013 08:26 AM (HjPtV)

169 164 I think they are banking on turning it into a campaign issue

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:27 AM (HED0H)

170 And so they have spoken. They got theirs.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 28, 2013 08:27 AM (IPz9m)

171 Why do we fear a shutdown?

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2013 08:28 AM (Io7hX)

172 So the House opts to side with Obama by delaying this disaster for a year until after the next round of elections, but at least held strong in demanding the Obamacare monstrosity will have even more unfunded costs. Did I get that right? *** On the one hand, it delays the pain until after the elections. On the other hand, it eliminates some of the immediate suffering of Americans. Which angle do you suppose they'll promote?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:29 AM (DmNpO)

173

FFS,

repeal the device tax? While it is s stupid tax, repealing only make the law acceptable to LIVs at the expense of our budget. It needs to go only with the rest of the bill not before.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at September 28, 2013 08:29 AM (/tk/V)

174 No Vitter amendment? If Costa's reporting is accurate, then K-Street has issued its orders. **** No Johnson amendment either.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 08:29 AM (DmNpO)

175 Republicans are just listening to their corporate masters. Come on guys!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at September 28, 2013 08:32 AM (CgVEi)

176

Here's another subject to think about...

In the wake of the mall attack in Kenya, you know damn well that something is going to happen here.

When it does, the idiots at Homeland Security and the assholes in office who think they have to "do something" will go way overboard, just as they did with air travel security. This will fuck up our economy and our basic freedoms and be an overall pain in the ass for decades.

So now, the question. What level of deaths are we willing to accept in terrorist mass shootings in U.S. malls without changing the way thing are now?

Personally, I'm ready to accept situations just as deadly as Kenya without going to the metal detector, pat down, take off your shoes shit before walking into a mall.

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 08:33 AM (u2a4R)

177 171 plus on the bright side if they wait a year, it'll make it harder for the Hillbill to get elected and easier for the Palin/Cruz ticket

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:33 AM (HED0H)

178

Does anyone else's employer provide a percentage of cost of coverage? That's want makes the FEHB so stupid IMHO, well one of many things.

it insulates the federal employees from this sticker shock which doesn't make the Vitter amdenment have as much teeth.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at September 28, 2013 08:34 AM (/tk/V)

179

177 my wife is in one of the department with the exemption

I wonder how much more we would have to pay

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:36 AM (HED0H)

180 Why do we fear a shutdown?

For the same reason Maetenloch fears passing gas. All of the white gooey stuff comes shooting out and is open for public scrutiny.

Posted by: SNAFU at September 28, 2013 08:36 AM (Cs2tJ)

181 FFS,
repeal the device tax? While it is s stupid tax, repealing only make the law acceptable to LIVs at the expense of our budget. It needs to go only with the rest of the bill not before.

I very seriously doubt that the LIVs are kept awake at night worrying about the medical device tax.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 08:37 AM (X9Mnx)

182 What level of deaths are we willing to accept in terrorist mass shootings in U.S. malls without changing the way thing are now?

Personally, I'm ready to accept situations just as deadly as Kenya without going to the metal detector, pat down, take off your shoes shit before walkinginto a mall.

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 12:33 PM (u2a4R)

----- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----- ----- -----

I'd scrap DHS and TSA tomorrow. Pre-9/11 was equally PC ineffective at counterterror, but the lack of results cost billions less.

Posted by: Beagle at September 28, 2013 08:38 AM (sOtz/)

183

@navycopjoe,

my wife gets standard FEHB and the choices all are remarkably expensive already.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at September 28, 2013 08:39 AM (/tk/V)

184 I like Vitters amendment a lot but in trying to get the largest public buy-in, the most simple bill works best (to the LIV). The delay buys political time to get closer to the next election to get rid of the RINOs. We should be able to better sell a delay of individual mandate especially with the 3 biggest unions now turning it last week.

Posted by: Tony253 at September 28, 2013 08:39 AM (3yMFT)

185 180 if it wasn't for the tsa my junk would never get touched

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:40 AM (HED0H)

186

I'd scrap DHS and TSA tomorrow. Pre-9/11 was equally PC ineffective at counterterror, but the lack of results cost billions less.

Posted by: Beagle at September 28, 2013 12:38 PM (sOtz/)

I agree with that 100%.

Posted by: jwest at September 28, 2013 08:40 AM (u2a4R)

187

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 12:37 PM (X9Mnx)

Not yet no, but as it rippled through the market they'd have seen the consequences and hated it.

now, all the candy, no vegetables, exactly like every Democrat program.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at September 28, 2013 08:41 AM (/tk/V)

188 164 So the House opts to side with Obama by delaying this disaster for a year until after the next round of elections, but at least held strong in demanding the Obamacare monstrosity will have even more unfunded costs. Did I get that right?

(1) The SCOAMT has thus far refused to delay the individual mandate for a reason.

The lawÂ’s champions have always considered the individual mandate to be the indispensable provision. It is what allows them to make the only boast they really care to make, which is that the lawÂ—in their estimationÂ—will deliver on the long-sought goal of Â“universal coverageÂ” (which now appears to mean covering all but 30 million people in our country). And it is what allows them to attempt to transform the purchase of government-sanctioned health insurance from just another consumer choice into a social obligation, if not a legal decree.

(2) Even the Democrats now largely oppose the medical device tax. It will lead to higher taxes, more job losses, lower research spending, and unnecessary deaths.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 08:41 AM (YjDyJ)

189

181 I should check how much we pay now

the wife does the bills

all I know is i'm pretty sure I get my pension and the money I put into checking goes to this magical place which keeps the internet and lights on

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:42 AM (HED0H)

190 Even the Democrats now largely oppose the medical device tax. It will lead to higher taxes, more job losses, lower research spending, and unnecessary deaths.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 12:41 PM (YjDyJ)

You mean like all of Obamacare?

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 28, 2013 08:42 AM (IPz9m)

191 @Beagle Yeah, that's the question. From a negotiating standpoint it seems like we should be demanding everything. Then whittle it down and "cave" by just accepting an O-Care defund. It seems like we ask for too little, and get nothing. Why not go for broke, demand our wet dream wishlist, and try to get some concessions. The way they're acting now, the Dems know they don't have give an inch, because the republicans are negotiating with themselves. The American people understand budgets, and despise elitism. All the Republicans should be saying is that they're trying to balance the budget and eliminate elitism. Its a win. Its like they're afraid of victory or something.

Posted by: Iblis at September 28, 2013 08:44 AM (VmNzY)

192 Honestly this focus on the medical device tax feels like a squirrel....

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 28, 2013 08:44 AM (IPz9m)

193 Oh, and if they can't get anything, then again force immediate implementation of O-Care as exactly written.

Posted by: Iblis at September 28, 2013 08:45 AM (VmNzY)

194

189 Its a win. Its like they're afraid of victory or something.

senator john mccain

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 28, 2013 08:45 AM (HED0H)

195 There should be no exemptions. But exemptions will remain and grow as the political favor of choice. Most likely there will be elimination of medical device tax and a whiff of a suggestion that Ocare be delayed one year. So nothing. When you have easy obvious solutions to a problem and no guts to fight and change you get this - hot air and kabuki theater.

Posted by: gracepmc at September 28, 2013 08:46 AM (rznx3)

196

Posted by: KG at September 28, 2013 12:44 PM (IPz9m

I think it's more of a trap, the medical device tax was a way to make the CBO numbers look pretty.

just like the doc fix just in reverse.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at September 28, 2013 08:50 AM (h1gQR)

197 The GOP now has its campaign slogan for next year. "We Will Fight For You!! (But Only If There Is No Chance We Could Lose)" This whole exercise was done to reveal the truth about what ObamaCare is, who supports it, who opposes it, who pretends to support it, and most importantly, who pretends to oppose it. It also was done to show who is brave, who is cowardly, who is smart, who is dumb, and who can think more than two moves ahead. Be ready for the Excuses of 2015. They will be a list of why the GOP still, even after it has the House and Senate, really shouldn't do anything provocative because, you know, 2016 is right around the corner.

Posted by: eman at September 28, 2013 08:55 AM (AO9UG)

198 I assumed "one-year delay" referred to the individual mandate, not the entirety of the law. My mistake. So they are adopting a version of the Fairness Amendment and adding repeal of the medical device tax.

The reason why I feel delaying ObamaCare will not rescue ObamaCare is that ObamaCare is already failing despite the fact that they had several years to prepare for roll-out of the law. How is one more year going to save what they could not save in three and a half?

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 08:55 AM (YjDyJ)

199 Got my furlough notice yesterday (DoD). I'd be willing to ride it out for a while if it would help our side...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at September 28, 2013 08:55 AM (4DCSq)

200 I am having a tweet debate with a Lib who is arguing that Congress does NOT receive an exemption from Ocare. After several back and forths, with me explaining to him that the taxpayer subsidy they receive which must be spent on the ACA exchanges, is outside the law for regular citizens who must meet certain earnings guidelines to receive subsidies, he responds thusly: Jordan Gill ‏@KJordanGill 3m @mflynny ThatÂ’s why Congress really shouldnÂ’t be on the exchanges. They already have coverage and the exchanges are for the uninsured

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 09:04 AM (DmNpO)

201 "ObamacareÂ’s Medical-Device Tax"- http://bit.ly/hJtYCY

"ObamacareÂ’s Toll on Medical Innovation"- http://bit.ly/Wc1VkZ

"Obamacare: Taxing Medical Devices WonÂ’t Lower Costs"- http://bit.ly/1biwXjE

"Obamacare Declares War on Growth Capital"- http://bit.ly/16IVCFm

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 09:04 AM (YjDyJ)

202 I heard some suggestion of throwing in the Pipeline to the CR. Have we heard anything on that? McGovern is railing about 'Secret Meetings'. Ergh.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 28, 2013 09:05 AM (fzFF6)

203 The GOP establishment has fallen for the revisionist history of the DNC Media... After we shut down the government, Clinton could not garner a majority in 1996 and we kept the majority in the House... The lesson is to BE STRONG, and don't nominate mushy republicans like BOB DOLE

Posted by: Newt at September 28, 2013 09:06 AM (Pr6hk)

204 Let's watch some football and drink. Posted by: John Smith at September 28, 2013 11:30 AM (wR+pz) I've been sitting in a dark room surrounded by loaded firearms and drinking while staring at a blank television screen. Is that wrong?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 28, 2013 09:12 AM (oFCZn)

205 For some the purpose of GOP power is to ask for more power, but never to actually use that power or put it at risk. Their thinking derives from a mixture of fear, dishonesty, and just plain stupidity. It is political twerking.

Posted by: eman at September 28, 2013 09:12 AM (AO9UG)

206 Did Mr McGovern just say 'We ought to know what we are voting on before we vote'? Really?

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 28, 2013 09:15 AM (fzFF6)

207 What is the purpose of the GOP? Why is it there? Is it there to fight the Democrats or to pretend to fight the Democrats? More and more it looks like the latter is the case.

Posted by: eman at September 28, 2013 09:15 AM (AO9UG)

208 "We ought to know what we are voting on before we vote'?
Yes the idiot really said that. Who will follow up on it on the floor of the House. It is a real knee slapper.

Posted by: Bob at September 28, 2013 09:18 AM (qTsuK)

209 200 I heard some suggestion of throwing in the Pipeline to the CR. Have we heard anything on that?

It is one of many items in their debt ceiling proposal, which has been temporarily shelved (if I understand correctly).

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 09:18 AM (YjDyJ)

210 Check out Drudge.

Posted by: eman at September 28, 2013 09:27 AM (AO9UG)

211 Check out Drudge. *** BIG RED PRINT

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 09:28 AM (DmNpO)

212 FONT

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 09:28 AM (DmNpO)

213 It is clear from debating a lib over on twitter that the "exemptions" argument, such as Vitter's amendment is not going to fly. We need to be focused more on teh Johnson amendment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 09:29 AM (DmNpO)

214 @rollcall GOP Rank-and-File Predict Short Shutdown http://roll.cl/19NjwRX via @Emma_Dumain [and] @MEPFuller

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 09:30 AM (YjDyJ)

215 I think the GOP will walk away with nothing. They don't have the backbone.

Posted by: Titanium at September 28, 2013 09:31 AM (V5eph)

216 I think the GOP will walk away with nothing. They don't have the backbone. *** Marsha Blackburn: Let them [call us names]. I have a titanium spine.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 09:35 AM (DmNpO)

217 We need to be focused more on teh Johnson amendment. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 01:29 PM Elucidate, please. I'm not recognizing the amendment by that name. Thanks!!

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 28, 2013 09:39 AM (fzFF6)

218 Elucidate, please. I'm not recognizing the amendment by that name. Thanks!! **** The law does require that Congress participate in the ACA in 2014. HOWEVER, they have been given subsidies to offset the cost of their insurance. The rest of us have to meet certain earnings guidelines to receive a subsidy but... not them. Johnson's bill seeks to eliminate the subsidies. At least, that's how I understand it. I need to go read it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 09:45 AM (DmNpO)

219 The Philippines is fighting company-sized units of jihadis who have taken scores of captives and displaced tens of thousands of people. Casualties are high. I wonder how fat Kim Kardashian's ass is these days?

Posted by: Beagle at September 28, 2013 09:53 AM (sOtz/)

220 Well, I'd be happy to read it, if I could find it!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 28, 2013 09:56 AM (DmNpO)

221 "That said, backing the Vitter amendment (or something similar) is a good political move. Reid won't allow it, but pointing out that Obamacare lets politicians play under different rules than the rest of us is something that could resonate with the average voter. Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 12:07 PM (X9Mnx)" So your masterplan for a House majority is to lose yelling the right slogan? Go right ahead, you don't actually need the Republican caucus to adopt your plan, to lose yelling the right slogan. "What's really precious about all this is that shedloads of people who are saying "I'm done with the Republican Party," and what the Republican Party is hearing when they say this is "I'm mad at the Republican Party, but what other choice do I have? I'll be back to voting for them next year." They are drowning in denial. Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2013 11:12 AM (BeSEI)" They'll be back to raise hell in the primary and if that doesn't work they won't vote Republican in the general. Ask Mitt Romney how that works.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at September 28, 2013 09:57 AM (Wallp)

222 Jonathan Strong: "Morale High as House GOP Heads Toward Impasse With Obama"- http://bit.ly/1bQuQTs (NRO)

Today's schedule: http://1.usa.gov/lXbukz. They are now debating H.R. 3204.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2013 09:59 AM (YjDyJ)

223 "What is the purpose of the GOP? " It is a professional association for not-Democrat politicians. If you want to be a politician, and you don't have any in to the Democrat party, they're there for you.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at September 28, 2013 10:00 AM (Wallp)

224 So your masterplan for a House majority is to lose yelling the right slogan?

As opposed to any other plan proposed thus far?

The only "win" available to the GOP right now is in the court of public opinion.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 10:11 AM (X9Mnx)

225 A one year delay. So nobody really feels the pain of this idiotic law for another year. After the next election. Brilliant. If Reid and Obama won't go for that they're even dumber than the GOP.

Posted by: Mikesixes at September 28, 2013 01:27 PM (YG/LY)

226 So far the only reason Lincoln and Boehner have advanced for a delay is to prevent ObamaCare success stories. I'm not afraid of those, because they wont happen. Strict enforcement and full implementation is the way to go. Let it burn.

Posted by: MTF at September 28, 2013 01:31 PM (qf2kI)

227 "The only "win" available to the GOP right now is in the court of public opinion. Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2013 02:11 PM (X9Mnx)" I thought you didn't believe the GOP could sway public opinion?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at September 28, 2013 04:03 PM (/WsdS)

228 If there is a shutdown then call it Reid's Obamacare shutdown. "We wanted to spare America the unemployment and pain that this awful mess will cause them. But Reid would rather shut down the government than let you escape this awful plan that HE has already excepted himself from. It is a disgrace."

Posted by: cackfinger at September 28, 2013 10:06 PM (OsCtd)

229 Shouldn't a continuing resolution actually continue something? It seems like the only thing a CR should be able to do is continue the underlying previously approved budget. It should not be able to authorize spending in excess of the previously approved budget and it should not be able to authorize spending on things that were not in said budget. What we really have is an Augmenting Resolution that allows increases in spending above the "continued" budget and allows spending on things that didn't exist (Obamacare) when the budget was approved. We need to get back to basics; a CR should only allow spending that was in the last approved budget...period.

Posted by: G-Pa Tim at September 29, 2013 08:17 AM (r4S2W)

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