July 06, 2013
— Dave in Texas
RT @NewsBreaker: NEW PHOTO: Black smoke plume following plane crash at San Francisco International Airport pic.twitter.com/ePrOgWqgpr @vini_1914
— Sissy Willis (@SissyWillis) July 6, 2013
SF emergency responder channel feed here via @bob_owens
An update from someone who says he was a passenger, the pic is up close. RT from @DanRiehl
We're into the newsgathering confusing eyewitness account bullshit stage at this point. Witnesses claiming both wings were torn off when they are still clearly attached after the fire.
It feels like they came in low, or short on the runway, damaged the tail, rolled to wherever while pieces got tore off the tail.. bags deployed and people got the fuck off. Then more fire.
But I don't know that. I don't know shit. I sure hope that.
DrewM sent me this pic of debris at the edge of the runway.
As of yet we don't know who was hurt or how badly. 290 adults and a baby on the manifest, plus the 12 crewmembers. I pray they are all ok.
UPDATE: KTVU reports two fatalities.
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Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 11:11 AM (qLYdI)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/u] at July 06, 2013 11:13 AM (CA2NO)
A plane crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport Saturday morning after its tail came off while it was touching down on the runway.
According to a witness, around 11:20 a.m. the plane was just about to land — its landing gear had come down — when the tail of the plane came off.
After wobbling for a minute, the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway on itÂ’s back.
The plane, reportedly a Boeing 777, was coming from South Korea, according to flight tracking information.
Posted by: Mallfly at July 06, 2013 11:17 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Baldy at July 06, 2013 11:17 AM (tyDFN)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:18 AM (RLdcX)
Posted by: xbradtc at July 06, 2013 11:19 AM (+FFD7)
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2013 11:19 AM (+NNlC)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:19 AM (RLdcX)
Posted by: Michelle Chewbama at July 06, 2013 11:20 AM (EX+sq)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 11:20 AM (0pcT0)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 06, 2013 11:20 AM (pUqSw)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 11:20 AM (MMC8r)
http://tinyurl.com/mabkwhx
pic from passenger
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at July 06, 2013 11:21 AM (TIiZt)
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 06, 2013 11:22 AM (OSARm)
Posted by: GJB at July 06, 2013 11:22 AM (LTEFy)
http://tinyurl.com/lcqezun
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:22 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:23 AM (6RkVc)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:23 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:24 AM (RLdcX)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:25 AM (+98Gb)
I'd say this witness is 100% discredited.
Posted by: Chris M at July 06, 2013 11:25 AM (4lyMJ)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 06, 2013 11:25 AM (/i3Yt)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:26 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Tuco at July 06, 2013 11:26 AM (Pr6hk)
Pretty sure landing upside down will void the factory warranty.
Posted by: garrett at July 06, 2013 11:27 AM (6WbNd)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 11:27 AM (qLYdI)
27 Tami....thanks. Well, that confirms that the plane is sitting there right-side-up.
With no tail...but sitting upright.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 11:27 AM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 11:27 AM (0pcT0)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:27 AM (RLdcX)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:29 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 11:29 AM (MMC8r)
Just looking at the pic, it sure seems the landing gear isn't down. Plane is sitting flat to the ground.
Perhaps he made a gear up landing and the tail broke at touchdown?
Posted by: irongrampa at July 06, 2013 11:29 AM (SAMxH)
the jet wash, it would wash you away sometimes. Also a good place to make out, or whatever the kids call it these days
Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at July 06, 2013 11:29 AM (omBWL)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 06, 2013 11:29 AM (pUqSw)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 06, 2013 11:30 AM (ZPrif)
downwind landing too hot...burying the stick would do that.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:30 AM (6RkVc)
Prayers.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 06, 2013 03:29 PM (pUqSw)
Good pic on Fox...not flipped.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:30 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at July 06, 2013 11:31 AM (omBWL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:31 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at July 06, 2013 11:32 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 11:32 AM (0pcT0)
how many caught in the fire is the concern
Posted by: Tuco at July 06, 2013 11:32 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:32 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:33 AM (RLdcX)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:33 AM (6RkVc)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 06, 2013 11:33 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:34 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: "The Aviator" at July 06, 2013 11:34 AM (srZe+)
you got problem? We fix. ( no 'love you long time' jokes appreciated )
Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at July 06, 2013 11:34 AM (omBWL)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:34 AM (6RkVc)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:34 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 11:35 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 11:35 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 06, 2013 11:36 AM (WaTVB)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 06, 2013 11:36 AM (pUqSw)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 06, 2013 11:36 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:36 AM (RLdcX)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 03:34 PM (+98Gb)
No one beats Sing Air....IMHO.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:36 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Tuco at July 06, 2013 11:37 AM (Pr6hk)
62 FNC is being stupid right now. Anchors are describing the video to a former NTSB guy on the phone...
Yeah, FlatbushJoe...one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 11:37 AM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 11:37 AM (0pcT0)
Posted by: Andy at July 06, 2013 11:37 AM (li+aS)
Posted by: madj at July 06, 2013 11:38 AM (Unkf2)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:38 AM (LRFds)
tail failure absolutely did occur
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:39 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: WolfinNC at July 06, 2013 11:39 AM (HVOxM)
#SFO Update: 303 SOB. All 303 accounted for. SFFD 3rd Alarm + RED Alert SMCFD 3rd Alarm USCG O/S Asiana Flight 214 from Seoul
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:39 AM (X6akg)
FoxNews has J school grads like everyone else....
no crisis on Earth was ever solved by yelling, "GET ME SOME NEWSMEN NOW!"
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:40 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Alf767 at July 06, 2013 11:41 AM (iLYus)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 11:41 AM (baL2B)
Drudge just corrected it from a 747 to the correct aircraft.
Maybe they read the comments here
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2013 11:41 AM (H+wFr)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 06, 2013 11:41 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 11:41 AM (qLYdI)
Posted by: SFGoth at July 06, 2013 11:42 AM (la7vt)
303 SOB. All 303 accounted for.
SFFD 3rd Alarm + RED Alert
SMCFD 3rd Alarm
USCG O/S
Asiana Flight 214 from Seoul
Posted by: Tami at July 06, 2013 03:39 PM (X6akg)
Thank God.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 11:42 AM (baL2B)
>>> Listening to the Fire and EMS feed... they're talking about searching for bodies in the water. That doesn't sound good.
Sounds like overtime to me.
Posted by: Search and Rescue Diver at July 06, 2013 11:42 AM (6WbNd)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:43 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 06, 2013 11:43 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 11:43 AM (0pcT0)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 06, 2013 11:43 AM (0It32)
Posted by: DavidR at July 06, 2013 11:43 AM (/B8uv)
#SFO Update One critical injury thus far. Airlifted to San Fran General Hospital Many others with burns. Currently no fatalities.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:44 AM (X6akg)
the pilots were not able to finish the last five minutes of training, I blame John Boehner.
//BHO
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:44 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 11:45 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:45 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Retread at July 06, 2013 11:45 AM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 11:45 AM (8wnbz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:46 AM (+98Gb)
Unfortunately - watching KTVU now (first time in 10 years)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 06, 2013 11:46 AM (pgQxn)
Posted by: The Chicken at July 06, 2013 11:46 AM (Pr6hk)
BREAKING: All flights cancelled at #San Francisco airport following major plane crash
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:46 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:46 AM (+98Gb)
they did a hell of a job getting that plane unassed
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:46 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 11:46 AM (MMC8r)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about as the pictures on Fox went around the plane. Looked to me like the bottom half of the aft end of the pressure vessel was missing. Shredded aft end bits on the runway have me wondering about a bomb in the cargo hold.
Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at July 06, 2013 11:47 AM (U82Km)
Information on the plane that crashed - http://tinyurl.com/m56d92n
That Fox video of the debris on the runway. Interesting. It was still pressurized at landing judging by the long stream of debris that was blown out. And notice how the remains of the vertical stabilizer and both horizontal stabilizers fell on the runway. Get the feeling the aft bulkhead might have failed. But this is all speculation.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 11:47 AM (hciUg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Flight_214
Posted by: RoadRunner at July 06, 2013 11:48 AM (Sr8cp)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 11:48 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 11:48 AM (MMC8r)
That's what I'm thinking...someone didn't pop the air on descent and the impact sheared the tail section damn near like a razor...
the rear section is clean and fell almost in place....
surreal
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:49 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:49 AM (RLdcX)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 11:49 AM (0pcT0)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 06, 2013 11:49 AM (mL7EQ)
Posted by: SamIam at July 06, 2013 11:50 AM (HMI9a)
Yeah I have a news copter feed on....
there has to be a lot of 2d degree burns minimum....
the roof probably has AL liquid burns to the 3d degree on some as well...
burning planes are toxic messes.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:50 AM (LRFds)
Plane looks like it may have had a low approach and suffered a tail strike if it came down early on the runway approach just past the water which may also account for the collapsed landing gear.
You can see the remains of the tail structure right at the end of the runway in pieces. Shit doesn't 'fall off' without help, like a really hard jolt from a short landing that stripped the landing gear and the tail structure.
Posted by: Gmac - Pondering the coming implosion at July 06, 2013 11:51 AM (IanLz)
Posted by: SamIam at July 06, 2013 11:51 AM (HMI9a)
I think they screwed the pooch on the landing angle.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:52 AM (LRFds)
http://tinyurl.com/2zktp3 (wiki, but I've seen other sources so it's generally accurate)
Posted by: SFGoth at July 06, 2013 11:52 AM (la7vt)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:53 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: SamIam at July 06, 2013 11:53 AM (HMI9a)
Posted by: Ancient Saying at July 06, 2013 11:53 AM (Pr6hk)
I'll never understand the fascination airports have with being adjoining water
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:54 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Gmac - Pondering the coming implosion at July 06, 2013 11:54 AM (IanLz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 11:55 AM (hciUg)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 11:55 AM (RLdcX)
The rear bulkhead popping on the pressurization sleeve is peculiar as well...
this one'll make interesting NTSB safety reading anyway...
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:55 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: WolfinNC at July 06, 2013 11:55 AM (HVOxM)
KTBU showed good video from end of runway to remaining fuselage. Looks like the pilot was way low. Keeping in mind that SFO is on reclaimed land, the tail struck the end of the runway. Less of a drag and more of a slight ridge impact. Stabilizers didn't make it to the nominal runway threshold. Plane skidded to a stop about 2500 to 3000 feet down from the nominal threshold.
Looks like pilot error, or maybe this was the one case of a personal electronic device affecting the navigation convincing the pilot he had more altitude than he had. If so, the pilot was flying instrument on a clear day.
Posted by: Leland at July 06, 2013 11:56 AM (fHgvZ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:56 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: rickl at July 06, 2013 11:57 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: WolfinNC at July 06, 2013 11:57 AM (HVOxM)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 11:57 AM (0pcT0)
Has their been any yakking about potential terrorism on FOX or elsewhere? I have read above comments about the odd break of tail section. I hope passengers jumped out of the back if they did not use chutes. So grateful it appears everyone got off. Wow.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 11:57 AM (baL2B)
BREAKING PHOTO: What appears to be wheels from the downed plane on the runway at SFO
http://tinyurl.com/l2a3kf9
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 11:57 AM (X6akg)
From the look of the rocks at the end of the runway...it looks like the fuselage made contact there.
There is a long trail, on the ground, from the rocks/water's edge, down the runway to where the plane left the runway.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 11:57 AM (XWSNs)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 11:57 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 11:58 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: navybrat at July 06, 2013 11:58 AM (tPLfq)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 11:58 AM (MhA4j)
It'd be my guess it'll be something like that...
was it LAX where a Japanese flight went swimming back in the 70s or 80s?
I forget haven't read that AAR in a while....
Ah it was San Fran...
1968 Asoh fuck up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_2
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 11:58 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 11:59 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 06, 2013 11:59 AM (HQX6o)
Posted by: The Chicken at July 06, 2013 11:59 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: WolfinNC at July 06, 2013 11:59 AM (HVOxM)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:00 PM (8wnbz)
If the aft pressure bulkhead fails while the plane is still pressurized. Guess what you now have a nozzle that will expel the higher pressure air and what ever is loose.
Plus jet wash can blow stuff backwards. If you give me a second I can find a picture of an F-16 tipped onto a wingtip because it got behind a B-1B's jet wash.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:00 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Alf767 at July 06, 2013 12:00 PM (p/Sn/)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 06, 2013 12:00 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 12:00 PM (MhA4j)
Maybe I can hire this Kathy Muhler to let people know about what's happening in Egypt . . .
Posted by: Bronco Bama at July 06, 2013 12:01 PM (hHgxI)
I used to have nightmares about the "pull UP!" warning....
imagined myself in the jump seat yelling "no shit" as my DC-8 impacted
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:02 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: deepred at July 06, 2013 12:02 PM (rUiSC)
Posted by: weirdflunky at July 06, 2013 12:02 PM (tlhtD)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 06, 2013 12:02 PM (HQX6o)
Uh-hmmmm. Pilot error.
Posted by: Starboardhelm at July 06, 2013 12:02 PM (hHgxI)
Posted by: Purp at July 06, 2013 03:34 PM
Drew let CNN know that they're reporting is idiotic ...
DrewM @DrewMTips 13m
Dear @CNN...make your anchor stop saying the plane "cartwheeled". Shoot her if necessary. Thanks.
Posted by: kbdabear at July 06, 2013 12:03 PM (/9IC1)
That's a good call in my estimation...
I figured it was either a fucked up superstructure repair, or an impact...
the skid and visible oscillation of the airframe tell me it was a tail strike
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:03 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:03 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 12:03 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 06, 2013 12:04 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2013 12:04 PM (+NNlC)
a stop on runway on it's back, according to witness Kathy Muhler.
Maybe I can hire this Kathy Muhler to let people know about what's happening in Egypt . . .
Posted by: Bronco Bam
What difference does it make???
Posted by: SFGoth at July 06, 2013 12:04 PM (la7vt)
Posted by: WolfinNC at July 06, 2013 12:04 PM (HVOxM)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 12:05 PM (0pcT0)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 06, 2013 12:05 PM (HQX6o)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:05 PM (+98Gb)
Dear @CNN...make your anchor stop saying the plane "cartwheeled". Shoot her if necessary. Thanks.
Drew ain't all bad. Sometimes.
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2013 12:05 PM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:05 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: The Chicken at July 06, 2013 12:05 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 12:05 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:06 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Goose at July 06, 2013 12:06 PM (0pcT0)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 06, 2013 12:07 PM (/9IC1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:07 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 06, 2013 12:07 PM (2wvIK)
not all superstructure repair is because of a flawed design....
the pilots are rough on airframes, you sometimes have ramp incidents with support eqpt....
there's a hole in my heart not being p[art of the dynamic environment of high-intensity flight ops.....
we had a DC-8 have to get inspected from a K-loader impact on the ramp once....
shit happens and if a company cuts corners it's a timebomb
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:07 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: The Chicken at July 06, 2013 12:08 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 12:08 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Chris Matthewszs at July 06, 2013 12:08 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:08 PM (+98Gb)
(Pearl Harbor vets would beg to differ with this assessment). Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Considering that the Jap pilots missed a major fuel storage depot and other worthwhile targets, perhaps not.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 06, 2013 12:08 PM (la7vt)
Seeing the damage to the leading edge of the left wing and large chunks of the trailing edge also missing. Still want to know where the engine went.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:08 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 06, 2013 12:09 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:09 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 12:10 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: RWC at July 06, 2013 12:10 PM (8FeS+)
No but the tail doesn't fall that way on its own and it is still very close together in the fall...
that means it was
1) tail strike
2) abrupt landing with a pressurized cabin and a clean shear....
I've read years of NTSB reports in insomnia, my rather ample gut tells me this was pilot error and tail strike....
no offense or pretension meant
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:10 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 06, 2013 12:10 PM (/9IC1)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 12:11 PM (qLYdI)
a stop on runway on it's back, according to witness Kathy Muhler.
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She can probably also explain the difference between an automatic, and a semi-automatic, as well explain what an 'assault rifle' is.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:11 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:11 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:11 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:12 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Kathy Muhler at July 06, 2013 12:12 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Ed Anger at July 06, 2013 12:12 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
-----------------
Shamwow
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:12 PM (aDwsi)
the transportation industry is probably the quickest non internet based business on the net
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:12 PM (LRFds)
I'm trying to figure out how this is Booooosh's fault. Still coming up empty but the investigation has just begun so I have time.
As soon as Chrissy Mathews gets his eye lashes glued on, and fake tears of rage n' grief affixed to his face, he'll explain it all. Boosh, Republicans, Boehner, Jooos, Big Oil, and the Tea Party.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 06, 2013 12:12 PM (0IhFx)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:13 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 06, 2013 12:13 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Kathy Muhler
----------------------
FIFY
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:14 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:14 PM (+98Gb)
that flight was sad, the Japanese victims have a compelling dignity in their resolution in that one.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:14 PM (LRFds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIsbSz03W
dU
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at July 06, 2013 12:14 PM (TIiZt)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:14 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:15 PM (8wnbz)
207...not all superstructure repair is because of a flawed design....
the pilots are rough on airframes, you sometimes have ramp incidents with support eqpt....
Bad policies are also rough on airframes...such as 'tankering fuel'.
Planes are designed to take off full of fuel, but landing without burning off that weight can put undue stress on the airframe.
When fuel prices are high...there is temptation to tanker fuel from home base rather than refuel at each stop.
I don't know that this would be a factor here, though, in this case, with the tail coming off.
Fuel tanks are in the wings, for the most part...so that's where the weight is.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 12:15 PM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Eyewitness Kathy Muhler at July 06, 2013 12:15 PM (2wvIK)
Yup my read as well....
it could be a pressurization issue but stats wise pilot error is usually the tie winner.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:16 PM (LRFds)
"Now Stryker listen to me. This is not like what you flew in the war."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:16 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: cool arrow at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (WMsq+)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (0pcT0)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (57bzg)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (X6akg)
Looking at the exit pic from that passenger, seems not to be any panic visible. Just 2 slides deployed on the left, wonder how many on the right?
This could easily have been a real bad thing.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 06, 2013 12:17 PM (jucos)
I've been out of the Biz too long to know the 777 well. I think UPS uses them some, as their DC-10 fleet ages away. If we get stationed at Ft Knox after Ft Jackson I intend to go back to freight dogging.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:18 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: shredded chi at July 06, 2013 12:18 PM (CbiPs)
Didn't look like any deployed on the right in the flyby Fox News had on a bit ago.
Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at July 06, 2013 12:18 PM (U82Km)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:19 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:19 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 06, 2013 12:19 PM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Just World at July 06, 2013 12:19 PM (7vUxt)
Just needs a little bondo, and it'll be fine.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2013 12:19 PM (U22Yw)
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Well..., that settles it. If CNN reports it, then it has to be so, right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:19 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Alf767 at July 06, 2013 12:20 PM (tNwd1)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 06, 2013 12:20 PM (jucos)
291 passengers among them the editor of the Chicago sun times, walked out thank God
Eyewitness on MSNBC saying the plane did "acrobatics" didn't slid in as it looks.
Posted by: caustic at July 06, 2013 12:20 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: rickl at July 06, 2013 12:20 PM (sdi6R)
I've experienced this. Cessna 172's magnetic compass gave false reading when my instructor put his magnetic pen light near it. And it was for hire, so....
*ducks*
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at July 06, 2013 12:21 PM (TIiZt)
Looks like the obvious just bit a few of the 'experts' commenting on Fox.
Plane came in to low on approach and scraped the landing gear and tail off the plane when it struck the very end of the runway.
I think you can safely say there's one pilot who's next flight will be as a passenger.
PS... it appears that the fire was caused by the engine after it ripped away and was small enough to allow the passengers to get away before it spread to the body of the aircraft.
Posted by: Gmac - Pondering the coming implosion at July 06, 2013 12:21 PM (IanLz)
Posted by: shredded chi at July 06, 2013 12:21 PM (CbiPs)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:21 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: RWC at July 06, 2013 12:21 PM (8FeS+)
Give him a break, he's been through a very grueling time.
Posted by: David Gergan CNN Analyst Extraordinaire at July 06, 2013 12:22 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: WolfinNC at July 06, 2013 12:22 PM (HVOxM)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:22 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2013 12:23 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 04:21 PM (aDwsi)
I saw a tweet that said Inchon, S Korea
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:23 PM (8sCoq)
I have been known to take over one flight with a psycho on board, as "I am a RN" is my signal to family "thar she blows!" I reported the passenger to the flight attendant as appearing to have had a psychotic break as she paced around the 757 after take-off on a long flight.The pilot, the crew, and the ground security people in Atlanta once relied on my vast authority, due to years of reading this blog, that the crazy woman could make it to our destination safely and we did not need to have an emergency landing in Atlanta and turn back (she was just off her gyroscope and not dangerous. I received a couple of free gin and tonics for babysitting her in the rear galley with flight attendants).
When I get on a plane do not mess with me, as I have stuff to do and that plane ain't turning around unless it is a mechanical issue. Do not go psycho and walk around throwing your beads and cups of water, as this is a pretty clear sign you are nuts and I will report you.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 12:23 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 12:23 PM (0pcT0)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 12:24 PM (RLdcX)
Posted by: speedster1 at July 06, 2013 12:24 PM (yeM7r)
I'm holding out for the kraken
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:24 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 04:21 PM (aDwsi)
Seoul. Posted by: J.J. Sefton
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Thanks. I should have said "...flight's origin.."
Surprised some moron wag didn't reply "Seattle".
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:24 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 12:25 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: SFGoth at July 06, 2013 12:25 PM (la7vt)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at July 06, 2013 12:25 PM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:25 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: zsasz at July 06, 2013 12:26 PM (MMC8r)
262...How much fuel would be left over from a flight from Seoul to Frisco? Yes, there is always enough for emergencies, but certainly not enough to have that effect, no?
Left over from a long flight like this one? ...Probably not much more than 'reserves'.
Which is doing it right.
'Fuel tankering' does stress damage over time...and can finally take it's toll at times when there really isn't as much weight as that which did the gradual damage.
It can be a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back sort of thing.
I've seen crinkles in the skin, under the wings, from landing with too much fuel.
But x-rays can show signs of stress in other parts of a plane too.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 12:26 PM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 04:25 PM (8sCoq
I saw, saw the hand of global warming come down and grab the tail of the plane.
Posted by: Eyewitness Kathy Muhler at July 06, 2013 12:27 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 06, 2013 12:27 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 12:27 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:27 PM (X6akg)
SAO PAULO (AP) — Police say enraged spectators invaded a football field, stoned the referee to death and quartered his body after he stabbed a player to death.
The Public Safety Department of the state of Maranhao says in a statement that it all started when referee Otavio da Silva expelled player Josenir Abreu from a game last weekend. The two got into a fist fight, then Silva took out a knife and stabbed Abreu, who died on his way to the hospital.
The statement issued this week says Abreu's friends and relatives immediately "rushed into the field, stoned the referee to death and quartered his body."
Local news media say the spectators also decapitated Silva and stuck his head on a stake in the middle of the field.
Police have arrested one suspect.
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:27 PM (8sCoq)
I'm holding out for the kraken
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 04:24 PM (8sCoq)
This reminds me: Have you seen the photo of Baroque in a kayak? His left bony knee appears to be either iReggie working on a holiday weekend or a large abdominal hernia getting some sun.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 12:28 PM (baL2B)
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Tough crowd. But at least no firearms used, so, it's OK.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:29 PM (aDwsi)
I wonder if people look at the pictures and since they only see debris beyond the water assume that that's where it starts. The thing is, there could be debris in the water.
Second, just because there's debris, it doesn't necessarily mean the fuselage was dragging (although that MIGHT be the case). It could just be that once it broke stuff streamed out.
Third, if some part of the tail broke, could that not have affected the altitude, and CAUSED the plane to be low? It seems like people are assuming that since it was low that that was the CAUSE, rather than the effect.
Fourth, where IS the tail section? You see the vertical and horizontal stabilizer parts, but what about the rest. Did everything but the fins disintegrate? How would that work?
Posted by: Optimizer at July 06, 2013 12:29 PM (Mxt9o)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:30 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Jake Gyllenhaal at July 06, 2013 12:30 PM (0pcT0)
I was with Emery World Wide before we died off...
I know Fed Ex used DC-10s I thought UPS did as well but it may have been charters. I always look over that way longingly when I drive through Louisville.
We used mostly DC-8s, and the occasional DC-9 the L-1011s were used by someone too
sven-former member of the order of sleepless knights
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:30 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 12:31 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 06, 2013 12:31 PM (57bzg)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:31 PM (X6akg)
See the pic in comment 263.
Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at July 06, 2013 12:31 PM (U82Km)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 06, 2013 12:31 PM (e8kgV)
It's not entirely off topic.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 06, 2013 12:31 PM (4Mv1T)
Fourth, where IS the tail section? You see the vertical and horizontal stabilizer parts, but what about the rest. Did everything but the fins disintegrate? How would that work?
Posted by: Optimizer at July 06, 2013 04:29 PM (Mxt9o)
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The rest of the tail is in the water and strewn along the runway in small pieces. Don't try to read between the lines of the obvious. This is a short landing.
Pilot error.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:32 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:32 PM (8sCoq)
263 Yeah, he came in with his butt too low....hit the rock wall and broke the tail off.
Pic: http://tinyurl.com/mwuplsz[/i]
Yup. That's what I was talking about upthread, Tami.
That looks like the first point of impact.
And that's not even a "rock wall" per se...just a rock edge, at the water.
The elevation of it looks flush with the runway edge.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 12:33 PM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 12:34 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: navybrat at July 06, 2013 12:34 PM (tPLfq)
Posted by: SF voter at July 06, 2013 12:34 PM (29vnO)
290 adults and a baby on the manifest,
a screaming baby. there is always one screaming baby on every transpacific flight. And I pray it arrived safely.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 12:35 PM (qLYdI)
Posted by: shredded chi at July 06, 2013 12:35 PM (CbiPs)
Posted by: rickl at July 06, 2013 12:36 PM (sdi6R)
Are they issued at the gate?
Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at July 06, 2013 12:36 PM (U82Km)
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God punishing S. Korea for believing that 'marriage' is between a man and a woman.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:37 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 12:37 PM (RLdcX)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 04:35 PM (qLYdI)
People are so stupid. It's their ears. Idiots. I have nearly blown out eardrums with sinus infections, so I know exactly how they feel on landing. I have no patience and need a private plane or one of those pod things in first class to block out the peasants ala Ashley Judd.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 12:37 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:37 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 04:34 PM (SzAZ7)
yes, because with tragedy comes dramatic bumper music, heart-rending editing, and a ratings bump
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:37 PM (8sCoq)
Pilot, "Roger SFO, Two Six Lima."
Pilot to Co-pilot, "So some low and slow dog tonight?"
*bang*
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:37 PM (hciUg)
We need to ban crashing airplanes.
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 12:38 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 12:38 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 04:34 PM (SzAZ7)
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Heh. It's true! I could hear the disappointment in their voices. Especially when it was reported all the passengers made it out.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:38 PM (8ClIz)
Heh....I used to go through two or three ramp suits a winter that way...
the Air Cargo guys fly in shit that the people pullers would blanche at....
Wife used to come by on saturday mornings when it snowed just to watch the high density take off cycles...
There's nothing else in the world like a hub
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:39 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:39 PM (8sCoq)
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No quibbling over the lighting process though, Jet A works every time.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:39 PM (aDwsi)
Something tells me that there will be a pilot or two looking for jobs next week. Probably doesn't look too good on a resume though.
"Successfully practiced C.F.I.T. with actual passengers on board!"
(Controlled Flight Into Terrain)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 06, 2013 12:39 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:40 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Jones in CO
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Easy for you to say.
Posted by: Wiley Post, Will Rogers at July 06, 2013 12:41 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:41 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 04:39 PM (8sCoq)
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Abso-fucking-lutely. Boeing makes some fine airplanes.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:42 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:42 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:42 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:42 PM (X6akg)
2. I would not jump to pilot error. Loss of power on approach could cause them to drag the aircraft in and strike the tail. A birdstrike is a great possibility, esp. since I have yet to see the port engine. The pilots just may have saved everyone on board, let's not start blaming them yet.
Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at July 06, 2013 12:42 PM (5z6T9)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 12:43 PM (RLdcX)
We need to ban crashing airplanes.
I think it's about time we declare airports "No Crash Zones".
amirite?
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2013 12:43 PM (fsLdt)
Posted by: sven
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Passengers saying to themselves, "Hmm. Maybe I'll take the train."
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:44 PM (aDwsi)
I couldn't really tell what that thing in the water was. It's big enough to maybe be the tail, and that would be the only missing part that's big enough, so that makes sense. It seems like it would be tough to hit your tail right on the water/ground edge, even if you tried, but this is the unusual case, so maybe. Could the tail have come off shortly before? And had some forward motion?
I'm just trying to consider all the possibilities, before pointing the finger at the pilot. They say usually it's pilot error for these things, and that could be the case, but they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
It'd be pretty odd for a pilot to screw up under what appears to be ideal landing conditions.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 06, 2013 12:44 PM (Mxt9o)
Eh..."maybe"...even then the Pilots did a helluva job exerting what control they could...
the Stewardesses kept their shit together...
if all the Aviation world lost today was 2 souls then we got off lucky....
Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their loved ones.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:46 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: rickl at July 06, 2013 12:46 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:46 PM (X6akg)
People are visible in the post-crash photos carrying their hand luggage. Not quite getting the fuck off.
Yes, there are people who will insist -- IN A BURNING CRASHED PLANE -- upon getting their bags from the overhead compartment. While others are stacked up in the aisle behind them and the smoke and heat are building.
Fair warning. If I'm in a burning crashed plane, and someone in front of me is stopping to get their carry-on stuff, they will get instantly rabbit punched to the floor and I will calmly step over them and continue evacuating.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2013 12:47 PM (gqT4g)
You'll never work for CNN with that attitude
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:47 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2013 12:47 PM (U22Yw)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:48 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:48 PM (8ClIz)
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If it will save just one child's life...
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:48 PM (aDwsi)
somebody paid attention in engineering class
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:49 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:50 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:50 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: shredded chi at July 06, 2013 12:50 PM (CbiPs)
The most important step will be putting up the signs indicating that they are No Crash Zones. Not much point in having No Crash Zones unless everyone knows that they're No Crash Zones.
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 12:51 PM (hO9ad)
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After the one significant 'incident' that I was in, all of the passengers scrambled into the bar at the airport.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:51 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:52 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:52 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: The Chicken at July 06, 2013 12:52 PM (Pr6hk)
"364> I'm just trying to consider all the possibilities, before pointing the finger at the pilot.
You'll never work for CNN with that attitude"
For the record, the wife was watching CNN, and I that's where I first heard reporters starting to blame the pilots. ;-)
Posted by: Optimizer at July 06, 2013 12:53 PM (Mxt9o)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:53 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Weirddave at July 06, 2013 12:53 PM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:53 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Anna Puma
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We could check the Lost Luggage office..
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:53 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:54 PM (X6akg)
Fair warning. If I'm in a burning crashed plane, and someone in front of me is stopping to get their carry-on stuff, they will get instantly rabbit punched to the floor and I will calmly step over them and continue evacuating.
No shit. Who is the doofus that stands and watches someone open an over-head bin and get their friggin' luggage right after the plane crashed? Instead of rabbit punching, if the passenger were smallish, I would grab two-hand hold on the hair and belt and toss them back into the seat out of the way.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 12:54 PM (qLYdI)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 12:55 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Weirddave at July 06, 2013 12:55 PM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 06, 2013 12:55 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: navybrat at July 06, 2013 12:56 PM (tPLfq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 04:51 PM (aDwsi)
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I imagine most of the people on board were South Koreans. They're looking for connecting flights.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:56 PM (8ClIz)
They keep saying "flipped over".
I don't see any evidence of it 'flipping over'...since both wings are still intact.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 12:56 PM (XWSNs)
I'm just gonna freight-train 'em like a fullback up the middle
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 12:56 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Bwarney Fwank at July 06, 2013 12:56 PM (Pr6hk)
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Perfectly emblematic of 'news' reporting today...., or is that, "..news 'reporting'.."
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:57 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 12:57 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 06, 2013 04:55 PM (Pr6hk)
C'mon, you could have been kayaking with the JEF.
Posted by: Basement Cat at July 06, 2013 12:57 PM (gaiYj)
That plane burned like a loose joint.
Hah. That is one jacked up ride.
This morning that plane was all nice and shiny and shit.
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2013 12:57 PM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 12:58 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: navybrat at July 06, 2013 12:58 PM (tPLfq)
Has anyone found the left engine yet? Or the other main landing gear?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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They've shown the landing gear at various locations on the runway.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 12:59 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 12:59 PM (0pcT0)
I imagine most of the people on board were South Koreans. They're looking for connecting flights.
Methinks plenty of Pinoys on that flight Manila to SF via Seoul/Inchon.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 06, 2013 12:59 PM (qLYdI)
Posted by: blanker at July 06, 2013 12:59 PM (qQk+U)
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Well, OK, but I was a South Carolinian looking for a connecting flight. No one cared....., we had them open the bar at 8:00 in the morning. Perhaps S. Koreans made of sterner stuff. I wonder if they even realize how close they came to the next life?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 12:59 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Optimizer at July 06, 2013 12:59 PM (Mxt9o)
people are idiots....
and memes once started don't die easily....
I think the right wing impacted in a brief oscillatory cycle and then it spun...
the downward bend and all....but as was noted earlier that was some awesome engineering.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 01:00 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:00 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:00 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Dong at July 06, 2013 01:01 PM (Pr6hk)
Agree about getting stuff out of the overhead, but some of that might have been laptops already in their possession.
However, if I am ever in a situation like this I will not even be reaching for my purse under the seat. I will be right there ready to slide off and will not hamper anyone for a millisecond.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 06, 2013 01:02 PM (GoIUi)
Kapanina was World Aerobatic Champion in the women's category in 1996, 1998, 2001, 2003, and 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVTIpfxKs4
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 06, 2013 01:02 PM (0It32)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 01:02 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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Previous owner in my house had to cut out concrete in the basement floor along the exterior walls for about 75 feet to install drains to a sump pump.
Sump pump works GREAT.
.....As long as there's electricity
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 06, 2013 01:03 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Weirddave at July 06, 2013 01:03 PM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Optimizer at July 06, 2013 04:59 PM (Mxt9o)
Hello! I see people put their *^& cases in the overhead above forward seats that are not theirs. So they can make sure theirs is not checked as they have a rear seat. pfft. #Christygetscrankyoverpeasants
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 01:04 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Kathy Muhler at July 06, 2013 01:04 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 01:04 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 05:00 PM (hciUg)
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Might be in the water.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:05 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: SFGoth at July 06, 2013 01:05 PM (la7vt)
Posted by: Keith Olbermann at July 06, 2013 01:05 PM (Pr6hk)
http://www.c141heaven.info/dotcom/61/pic_61_2778.php
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:06 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 05:00 PM (hciUg)
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I also though I saw the nose gear on the runway in the vicinity of the plane. I'm not sure now.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:06 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 01:06 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 06, 2013 01:07 PM (57bzg)
We had 6 inches of water in the basement. We had drains but no sump pump. Water came in through drains and the basement windows. The original drains over the years had collapsed. Also, no sump pump (that swell late 60's home design).
Amazing the difference having a sump pump with new drains. Basement no longer feels damp. And we got a battery back-up pump.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 06, 2013 01:07 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Tobacco Road
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I learned during Ivan (no power for 5 days). Have a combination back-up of generator/batteries/inverter/charger..., and fuel..., you can not have too much fuel.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:07 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:07 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 01:07 PM (0pcT0)
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 05:04 PM (hO9ad)
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The fuselage fuel tank splits the foward and aft luggage compartments.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:08 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Virginia at July 06, 2013 01:09 PM (eSLQ7)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:09 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 01:09 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: David at July 06, 2013 01:09 PM (SskgU)
Posted by: Tami at July 06, 2013 05:07 PM (X6akg)
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Yes.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:10 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 01:10 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Methos
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It's the Jay Carney gambit
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:10 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 01:10 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: shredded chi at July 06, 2013 01:10 PM (CbiPs)
Posted by: weirdflunky at July 06, 2013 01:10 PM (tlhtD)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:11 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Gran at July 06, 2013 01:11 PM (0pcT0)
434 OMG....I had to mute Fox. Idiots on parade.
This guy keeps saying "I don't know anything".
So why even have a presser?
But the first thing he said was..."All I know is that there was an incident on approach..."
An "incident on approach"?
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 01:12 PM (XWSNs)
It's funny, but when I get on a plane and it's an Airbus I always get a little, tiny, almost inaudible voice in my head saying "Damn, wish this was a Boeing", union workers or no. I dunno if it's logical or if I just don't completely trust the French, but it's there.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 06, 2013 04:53 PM (aH+zP)
Le Airbus makes a weird, weird noise on take-off. Like the steering wheel needs adjusting or there is a stow-away in the landing gear. Regardless, do not like these planes for that reason alone (combined with the computer-wonky stuff I read after that French flight).
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 01:13 PM (baL2B)
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Always the case. During the Boston fiasco, we here at AoSHQ had been shouting at our monitors for hours, "He's in the damn boat, idiots!"
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:13 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 05:10 PM (8sCoq)
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It's still fucking amazing that only two were killed (God rest their poor souls). Strong airplane. Makes me confident to fly on one.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:13 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:13 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 05:11 PM (hciUg)
Captain was in bathroom when all hell broke loose. I suspect renewing his membership to Mile High Club or constipated.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 01:14 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: wheatie
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If he is a spokesman for the airline, he has been told to say NOTHING.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:14 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:15 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 06, 2013 01:15 PM (MhA4j)
or
GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Community Organizer 0bama
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Previous Administration!
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:15 PM (aDwsi)
FNC interviewing an "expert" that's still holding on to the cartwheeling bullshit.
Idiots! Fucking idiots!
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:15 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: rickl at July 06, 2013 01:16 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:16 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:16 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:17 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:17 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Yeah. And those poor guys wearing 'High Tech' polypropylene thermal underware.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:17 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Eton Cox at July 06, 2013 01:18 PM (q177U)
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There are reports of a squirrel being killed in Waco.
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 06, 2013 01:18 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:20 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:20 PM (o+SC1)
458...If he is a spokesman for the airline, he has been told to say NOTHING.
Right...but I think he slipped up, with that "incident on approach" statement.
He didn't say "incident on landing".
Mentioning an "incident on approach" suggests that something occurred while the plane was still in the air.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 01:21 PM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Kathy Muhler at July 06, 2013 01:21 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 06, 2013 05:18 PM (BVkEs)
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That wasn't a squirrel. That was my wife.
Posted by: Rodney Dangerfield at July 06, 2013 01:22 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: UWP at July 06, 2013 01:23 PM (r98SZ)
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Now, see..., it depends on what your definition of 'approach' is.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:23 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 05:21 PM (XWSNs)
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Yeah. Like being too fucking low.
Posted by: Rodney Dangerfield at July 06, 2013 01:23 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:24 PM (hciUg)
in other news, #SFO crash survivor @Eunner has gained nearly 10,000 twitter followers in the past hour
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 01:25 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 06, 2013 01:26 PM (BVkEs)
does it say anything about Florida medical examiners?
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 01:26 PM (8sCoq)
Prayers for all involved.
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2013 01:26 PM (EAgmr)
Probably no more information from that press conference, either.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 06, 2013 01:26 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Kathy Muhler at July 06, 2013 01:26 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:26 PM (aDwsi)
yes- part of it touched the ground unexpectedly
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 01:26 PM (8sCoq)
I saw someone do that in an offroad truck last weekend. That didn't work out too well either.
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 01:27 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:27 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:27 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at July 06, 2013 01:28 PM (CXoSL)
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:28 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 06, 2013 01:28 PM (jjvz+)
Do we? How many people posting here are actually at SFO? My guess is 0. As for the news reports "confirming" two dead, after the big 'quake in 1989 the SF Chron ran a big headline "HUNDREDS DEAD IN HUGE QUAKE". Final death toll: 63.
Posted by: FOAF at July 06, 2013 01:28 PM (Kz60W)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:29 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:29 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:29 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 06, 2013 01:30 PM (hciUg)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at July 06, 2013 01:30 PM (eHNxr)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:31 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 01:32 PM (RLdcX)
Er, where did the two fatalities come from, then?
Or, rather, the report of two fatalities.
Posted by: Methos at July 06, 2013 01:32 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 06, 2013 01:32 PM (57bzg)
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2013 01:32 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 06, 2013 01:32 PM (qbVkk)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:32 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:32 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Ma Bell at July 06, 2013 05:32 PM (RLdcX)
I hear that neighborhood is a pain in the ass
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 01:33 PM (8sCoq)
or
GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Community Organizer 0bama
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Previous Administration!
Low level, rogue employees at the FAA!!!
Posted by: t-dubyah-d at July 06, 2013 01:33 PM (u6lBN)
Posted by: Citation X driver at July 06, 2013 01:33 PM (RF6SD)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:33 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Kathy Muhler at July 06, 2013 01:33 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:34 PM (o+SC1)
#SFO Newest Numbers: 2 Fatalities 61 Injured. (~15-20 Critical, remaining moderate/minor) 240 AMA/Un-injured.
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 01:34 PM (8sCoq)
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Remember to tipple a little beer into the water. A tribute to Neptune.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 01:34 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 06, 2013 04:55 PM
Weeeee!!!!
!!!!eeeeW
Weeee!!!
Posted by: Jon Cary, The Windsurfer, the War Hero, the Statesman at July 06, 2013 01:34 PM (0It32)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at July 06, 2013 01:36 PM (CA2NO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVeo6QMcbW4
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 05:07 PM (8sCoq)
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That's the _proper_ way to flip over on approach!
Posted by: RoadRunner at July 06, 2013 01:36 PM (Sr8cp)
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2013 01:37 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 05:34
I thought payment in SF was IN the wazoo.
Posted by: Big Ben at July 06, 2013 01:38 PM (I5Htn)
Posted by: Jones in CO at July 06, 2013 05:34 PM (8sCoq)
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Probably counted twice. It's probably 1 dead and 10 critically injured. I remember just this last May the initial body count from the Moore tornado. Found out they counted everyone twice.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:38 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2013 01:38 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: FOAF at July 06, 2013 01:39 PM (Kz60W)
Posted by: Beto at July 06, 2013 01:39 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Big Ben
That will only get you a free appetizer.
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2013 01:39 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 01:40 PM (SzAZ7)
516...Posted by: Citation X driver at July 06, 2013 05:33 PM (RF6SD)
The ILS was out of service on that runway?
If so, then this definitely could've been a factor.
Bringing in a 777 beast, manually, might've been something that crew had never done before.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 01:40 PM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at July 06, 2013 01:40 PM (1hekh)
Posted by: JEM at July 06, 2013 01:40 PM (o+SC1)
Maybe we can start an AoSHQ "making sense of breaking news" web service...
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 01:42 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at July 06, 2013 01:42 PM (vuIm8)
Also, morons, comments in WZ indicate that crude oil has to have something to mix to explode.
http://tinyurl.com/kh8azy6
Horrible. Prayers for the people of this Quebec town who are missing.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 01:43 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:43 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 06, 2013 01:44 PM (jjvz+)
Posted by: thunderb at July 06, 2013 01:44 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at July 06, 2013 01:45 PM (1hekh)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 06, 2013 01:45 PM (jjvz+)
Posted by: thunderb at July 06, 2013 01:45 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 06, 2013 01:46 PM (jjvz+)
542
540 Zombie John Gotti,
Maybe we can start an AoSHQ "making (sense) fun of breaking news" web service...
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 06, 2013 05:42 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 06, 2013 01:46 PM (/7gW+)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 06, 2013 01:47 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Citation X driver at July 06, 2013 01:47 PM (RF6SD)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 06, 2013 01:47 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 06, 2013 01:47 PM (jjvz+)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 04:39 PM (aDwsi)"
One of the coolest videos I have ever seen has now been removed from the site of the engineering school where it used to be. It showed some professor lighting a fire in a brick fire pit by pouring in charcoal briquettes and then positioning a lit cigarette over them and then pulling on a string that overturned a dewar flask of liquid oxygen onto the charcoal and lit cigarette. There was a flash and then instantly all the charcoal briquettes were prefect red glowing coals.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 06, 2013 01:48 PM (31Nrp)
Dayum, we wouldn't want clear goals, immovable goalposts, or accountability now would we? It takes a lot of scummy liberal lawyers to ensure that nothing in a bill is defined unambiguously, yet all seems to hang together in a coherent manner (at least at first glance).
This is why Nancy P was so insistent that we need to pass it to find out what's in it, because if you found out before it was passed, there might have been a reaction from the few citizens still able to read cursive.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 06, 2013 01:49 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Roland THTG at July 06, 2013 01:50 PM (qyoyx)
543
Now we know why the Health Care Act is 2800 pages.
It's a law that allows full discretionary power at the federal level. ...
I've tried reading through that thing.
It is poorly written...by design...in order to leave much of it 'open to interpretation' by govt bureaucrats.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 01:50 PM (XWSNs)
Bringing in a 777 beast, manually, might've been something that crew had never done before.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 05:40 PM (XWSNs)
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Doubtful. Boeing usually doesn't deliver their aircraft to airlines until their crews are proficient in all aspects of normal flight of that airplane. And bringing this plane in manually IS considered normal flight. It's done more times than you think. Pilots love greasing a landing.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 01:51 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at July 06, 2013 01:55 PM (QVBzT)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at July 06, 2013 01:58 PM (MOSsR)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at July 06, 2013 01:59 PM (1hekh)
Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at July 06, 2013 02:00 PM (5z6T9)
The ILS was out of service on that runway?
If so, then this definitely could've been a factor.
Bringing in a 777 beast, manually, might've been something that crew had never done before.
Just the glide path portion. Still had the localizer. You make a true statement though. These foreign crews are mostly gear up, auto pilot on! And the 777 has an auto land system. Probably never had to land the thing manually.
Posted by: Citation X driver at July 06, 2013 05:47 PM (RF6SD)"
So this might be good news for the flight simulator industry?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 06, 2013 02:01 PM (31Nrp)
565...Doubtful. Boeing usually doesn't deliver their aircraft to airlines until their crews are proficient in all aspects of normal flight of that airplane. And bringing this plane in manually IS considered normal flight. It's done more times than you think. Pilots love greasing a landing.
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Yeah, but Soona...how much of that is done on a Simulator, instead of actual flight time?
Just asking, because I don't know.
In General Aviation, even though it's expensive to fuel up a plane and use it for training flights...they still do it.
With the Airlines, they are doing more and more training by Sim alone...to cut costs.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 02:02 PM (XWSNs)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole
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That was George Coble..., a guy I have met, and the video of using LOX for starting charcoal grill is till out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sab2Ltm1WcM
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 06, 2013 02:06 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: thunderb at July 06, 2013 05:43 PM (zOTsN)
Sweetie, no problem! Most of the time no one reads my comments anyway. At least you did not think I was part of the cat pee people! xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 06, 2013 02:06 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 06, 2013 02:10 PM (BVkEs)
Toldja it was da joooooos.
Posted by: FOAF at July 06, 2013 02:19 PM (Kz60W)
This is devastating. Went to church and all the cable outlets were saying "everyone got off ok" and come how to two fatalities and 70injured. Ugh, don't report it MSM until you know for sure if it's correct.
Posted by: caustic at July 06, 2013 02:19 PM (/b8+5)
With the Airlines, they are doing more and more training by Sim alone...to cut costs.
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 06:02 PM (XWSNs)
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Ask the pilot who landed the plane in the Hudson how good simulators are. I've seen too many pilot reports and educational programs on how realistic simulators are nowdays. They are an excellent training for pilot efficiency without using the fuel. There's no excuse for a pilot not knowing how to manually land any type of aircraft, period.
Posted by: Soona at July 06, 2013 02:36 PM (8ClIz)
Posted by: wheatie at July 06, 2013 06:02 PM (XWSNs)
When I was a kid, one of the coolest things we did was to go to Greater Southwest Airport between Dallas and Fort Worth. It was originally built to be a regional airport for both cities, but it never really got going good. Eventually, American Airlines started using it for training. You could watch 707s do touch and gos all day long. When they built DFW directly north of it, it became more difficult to use it because of the air traffic. It was really cool until then.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at July 06, 2013 02:45 PM (1hekh)
581...Ask the pilot who landed the plane in the Hudson how good simulators are.
Sullenberger?
His career predated this reliance on simulators, Soona.
So not the best example to use in this argument.
Simulators are a good tool for training...yes.
But actual flight time is better.
That's why every 3rd leg of a flight, is a 'training' leg...with a lot of Airlines.
They let the low-time copilots take a turn, to get some real life experience.
Problem is...the Airlines don't tell the ticket-paying passengers that they are paying for a training flight.
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