1

First?

 

2 IM AGNOSTIC ON THIS RINO

3 Damn you Jimmy, I actually read the post.

4 Would Obama go for a 1+ year delay?

Even if you get the Senate to vote for it (and you might this being an election year coming up), wouldn't the Big O veto it?

5 5,000 quatloos on the Malor!

6 You've got to be in the fight to win the fight Lets try

7 5 5,000 quatloos on the Malor! Posted by: joncelli of Triskelion at September 18, 2013 10:44 AM (RD7QR) 5 bitcoins on Circular Firing Squad!!!

8 Yes, delay the shocking pain of Obamacare until after the midterm elections. This is brilliant strategy.

9 The big question, of course, is what happens if/when the Senate votes down both?

Does the House go to shut-down mode?

10 So much charm from the Orange One. Why doesn't Boehner just come out and tell the Dems not to worry, he doesn't really mean it but has to fake it for the rubes.

11

kill it with fire.

 

12 it's RINO time

13 Plan makes sense. Worth a shot, and definitely a plus to get this argument front and center in people's minds. People have already felt/seen the deleterious effects of Obamacare and it hasn't even really started yet. Make them realize it doesn't have to be this way, and it doesn't have to get worse.

14 Help me Mr. Wizard!

15 Wait.... what do you mean we FIGHT on the hill.... you kept telling me it was a Hill to DIE ON...  not FIGHT on....

16 after the election i'll have more freedom

to roll over and take it up the ass

17 “On every major issue we’ve faced for the past two and a half years, the math has been the same,” Boehner said If he changed his attitude in 2012 the math might have turned out differently. It was a bit difficult for GOP voters to fight the Dems and their own party.

18 8 Yes, delay the shocking pain of Obamacare until after the midterm elections. This is brilliant strategy. Posted by: Countrysquire at September 18, 2013 10:45 AM (LSJmV) This is the biggest downside obviously.

19 I'm with Gabriel Malor.
Let's all just give up.
We can rebuild a country with freedom somewhere else.
What land mass looks good to the Moron Horde?

20

Would Obama go for a 1+ year delay?

 

Even if you get the Senate to vote for it (and you might this being an election year coming up), wouldn't the Big O veto it?

 

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 18, 2013 10:43 AM (f9c2L)

 

He won't have to; we'll strip out any defunding, delaying, or Keystoning for him.

21 It is interesting that its Rand Paul, and Cruz, that gets the most air on News programs... when Boener is correct.... its been the House who has actually come up with plans and passed Bills.... and budgets...

22 A group so adept at fucking up is suddenly supposed to stop?  Not likely.

23 He won't have to; we'll strip out any defunding, delaying, or Keystoning for him. Posted by: Dingy Harry at September 18, 2013 10:51 AM (o44nj) Then I will join in the hating Boner camp.

24

The big question, of course, is what happens if/when the Senate votes down both?

 

Does the House go to shut-down mode?

 

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 18, 2013 10:45 AM (f9c2L)

 

If by "shut down", you mean "kill the conservatives", you betcha.  If by "shut down", you mean "shut down the government", not so much.

25

I would gladly pay for Obamacare, next Tuesday...

26

Then I will join in the hating Boner camp.

 

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at September 18, 2013 10:52 AM (09o/X)

 

The Dingy One has been Teh SCOAMT's personal roadblock for the last 2+ years, and now Bo(eh)ner wants in on that action.

27
I know its tough when "we" only control 1 half of Congress.....  but..... can somebody at least rent a spine?  You dont have to keep it.

28 So this is a McCain-like "Okay I'll build a damn wall" moment?

29 The big question, of course, is what happens if/when the Senate votes down both?
Does the House go to shut-down mode?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 18, 2013 10:45 AM

*cough* John Boehner *cough*

If Congress goes through all this "process" and "strategy" bullshit so beloved of the Pundit Class and our elected felons, Choom Boy gets his way and we get screwed.

Too many people acting as if this is some kind of game, not a real situation that will have a negative effect on people's lives.

Do not ask for whom the bell tools, Gabe and the rest of the gamers -- it tolls for every-friggin'-one of us. Except Congress and the traitor in the White House, that is.

30 What land mass looks good to the Moron Horde? Denmark. Copenhagen in the summertime.

31 8 Yes, delay the shocking pain of Obamacare until after the midterm elections. This is brilliant strategy.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 18, 2013 10:45 AM (LSJmV)

Splitting atoms with their minds.

32 Boehner, please. Vote to fund everything except ObamaCare. Send everybody on the GOP side out to announce and explain what is being done. If you can't risk the GOP majority in the House to do the thing for which that majority was made in the first place, then you are useless and no amount of strategery will help you or us.

33 and the Keystone pipeline. I initially read that as Keystone Cops. Yeah, that's not Freudian. Senior House Republican aides and lawmakers are sick of Senate conservatives blaming the House for funding the law. Ummmm. Ummmm. Pssst, here's a secret. Don't tell anyone. But appropriations bills? Have to come from the House. I know, I know, it's a Super Sekrit but I thought I would share it.

34 Well it is better than the usual kick the can down the road approach.
 
I suppose both bills will wind up in conference after the Senate acts to strip out the places where the bad Republicans touched them on their Senate doll.
 
MOAR FUNZ

35

>>>Let's all just give up.

 

The US has been a small-c communist country from before the USSR. Obamacare is just an expansion of the same, extending it beyond the "workers and peasants" to the general population. Plus, maybe, putting the label itself within reach to make us capital C should the populace decide they want that formality [and they probably won't].

 

This stuff? Not going anywhere, sadly.

36 Speaking of McCain, I was flipping through the channels last night and came across Meghan 'Look at my knockers' McCain's show last night. I wouldn't call it a train wreck, because you can't look away from a train wreck. Bloody hell, anyone who can sit through more than ten minutes of this should be eligible for some sort of award.

37 The longer it's delayed, the more entrenched the bureaucracy becomes. That's the big threat.

As corrupt as this is now? Imagine it in 10 years. Need to put some industrial strength glue on the gas pedal of the Obamacare Winnebago.

38 Politics is the art of the possible.  Let us see what is possible at this time.

39 "Copenhagen in the summertime."

Is there anybody who currently lives there who might object?

40 Just like crabs in a bucket.  Now if only we can get Frumsy to give up some of his sweet, sweet butter.

41

>>>Is there anybody who currently lives there who might object?

 

Yes. But they are Danes.

42 I hate to say it, but that may be the best we can hope for til after mid-terms.  Start edumacating you neighbors now. 

43 How about removing all existing Obamacare delays and mandating 100% enforcement starting right now?

44 What land mass looks good to the Moron Horde?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 18, 2013 10:51 AM (JSmUP)

----

Antarctica......

45 defund and go home. if Obama and the Senate want to hold the Free Shit Army's and government "workers" checks hostage, GOD BLESS THEM. I can hold my breath longer than they can.

46 I suspect this won't satisfy Senate conservatives or outside conservative groups like Heritage and Freedom Works. If by this you mean that a single gesture won't be sufficient to restore confidence in our alleged "representatives" in Congress, you'd be right. A new, extended track record of doing the right thing would be required at the very least. However, if honestly and earnestly executed, this would be a reasonable start. Generations of failure can't be erased by a single vote. Most folks get that, I would think.

47 I'm getting the feeling we are completely boned.

48 How about removing all existing Obamacare delays and mandating 100% enforcement starting right now? Posted by: Michelle Chewbama at September 18, 2013 11:01 AM (EX+sq) How about passing a, what's that called again, oh, right, budget? (Yes, yes, I know the House has passes budgets but it's not like I'm going to start letting facts get in the way of my snark.)

49 Off, chilly volcanic island sock.

50

Gabe, why don't you publish your thoughts on the way forward, as DrewM did yesterday, rather than just repeatedly whining all the time? 

 

We know your position is surrender, surrender and surrender, hoping to one day control the entire Congress, the Presidency and (perhaps) even the Courts (Then we'll show them!).  Because we can't win.

 

I still like Drew's Plan B best of all: pass the CR at sequester levels, but specifically require full compliance with the crap sandwich ZeroCare for everyone, government employees most especially, revoke any and all "waivers", and throw in additional HHS sequester tied to missing deadlines.  I'd also like to require the Defense Department to enforce Warn Act fines for caving on notice requirements before the 2012 election, with a prohibition against now or ever allowing affected contractors to get those fines repaid by the evil Democrats. 

 

Hit the progressive bastards right in the fiscal face. 

51 I'm in the wrong industry.


http://is.gd/xt1edF

52 Is ObamaCare so bad that it's worth shutting down the federal Government to get rid of it? Yes. If it is isn't so bad, what are we arguing about. One other way to tackle Obamacare is to not try to stop it at all and let it take full effect. The problem is no one has tried that and it is too late to do so. The GOP has tried to have its cake and eat it too. "Oh, we've tried to stop it, we just don't have the votes." *sob* Along with "Exemptions? What exemptions? I didn't see any exemptions."

53 Raise the debt ceiling in exchange for Keystone?  As it's been said before, do you trust the SCOAMT not to block Keystone after he gets the green light to put us farther into debt?

54

Ummmm. Ummmm. Pssst, here's a secret. Don't tell anyone. But appropriations bills? Have to come from the House. I know, I know, it's a Super Sekrit but I thought I would share it.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 18, 2013 10:58 AM (VtjlW)

 

The problem isn't always the appropriations bills as they come out of the House.  It's more often El PRL adopting whatever comes out of Dingy Harry's Senate as the conference appropirations bills.  It takes a bit longer, but the Full French Surrender is just as thorough.

55 My friends.....stand with me!

56
There is no can.... and we are out of road.

Krauthammer was on one of the shows the other day and was saying that Obamacare is projected to cost 6 TRILLION in 2016..... more if more waivers, carvouts and exclusions are approved.

57

Although I am in agreement with most of the posters here.  Nothing good can ever happen.  We will always be betrayed.  Even when the GOP takes a step we want them to take we are doomed to failure.  And betrayal.

 

Because of cocktails.

58 "So this is a McCain-like "Okay I'll build a damn wall" moment?" Certainly sounds like it. Boehner also seems to be daring Sens Cruz and Paul to do what exactly if the math is not conducive to them? Is he implying that none of the other GOP senators give a hoot, even symbolically?

59 Danes? Well, we're probably OK as long as we don't start paying them. I've heard that can be problematic.

60 It would be hysterical to insist on enforcing the law as written. Make 'em argue against it, but also an Alinsky tactic.

61 But appropriations bills? Have to come from the House.

We're post-constitutional now.  That shit's old school.  This is new school.

You just grab some DOA house bill that died in the Senate, jack it up, re-title it, and drive a new bill underneath.  Voila, a spending bill that "originated in the house", but was completely written in the Senate.

See how that works?

62 This is all one big joke.

63 As far as raising the debt ceiling for Keystone goes, I'm sure as soon as the debt ceiling is raised the EPA will issue a new finding or need more time for review, or one of the other dozen pointless federal agencies that could hold it up will. And the GOP will just say, aww shucks, we tried.

64

Raise the debt ceiling in exchange for Keystone? As it's been said before, do you trust the SCOAMT not to block Keystone after he gets the green light to put us farther into debt?

 

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at September 18, 2013 11:05 AM (epxV4)

 

And as my Dingy sock said above, that won't even make it out of the Senate or into the conference bill (which will be 99.9% the Senate version because Bo(eh)ner and Co. can't negotiate off full sticker with a "$500 off invoice" sign in the window).

65 Deals with Democrats are like peace treaties with Hitler.  They got expiration dates measured in days.

66

"Is he implying that none of the other GOP senators give a hoot, even symbolically?"

 

It seems to me  he  is saying "Put up or shut up.  It is real easy to sit there in the back benches and snipe and complain.  Now show us what you got and see if you can get this through the Senate with the numbers as they are."

 

That's how I am reading it.

 

And cocktails.  This must be done before cocktail time.

67

We're post-constitutional now. That shit's old school. This is new school.

 

You just grab some DOA house bill that died in the Senate, jack it up, re-title it, and drive a new bill underneath. Voila, a spending bill that "originated in the house", but was completely written in the Senate.

 

See how that works?

 

Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 11:08 AM (9MLX+)

 

Just like I've been doing since 2009.

68

>>>This is all one big joke.

 

Dammit, put up SPOILER warnings next time

69 For some folks no majority in the House or Senate is large enough or safe enough to justify putting it at risk with bold action that actually, you know, accomplishes some good. Same thing for the Presidency. Wouldn't be prudent, they say.

70 This is all one big joke. --Artisanal 'ette I am afraid you are correct.

71 Why do the Republicans want to delay ObamaCare?  Won't that help Democrats get elected/stay in office, if none of the bad effects are seen until after the 2014 elections?

Why are the Republicans doing everything they can to help the Democrats?

72 Question: we are discussing defunding Obamacare. This implies it is already funded, at least in part. How much of it has been funded to date? I ask because I was under the impression that it would have to be funded annually, like Social Security or Medicare or the DoD. In that case, a CR would continue funding at the current rate. If it has not yet been fully funded, that would constitute a roadblock in and of itself. If Obamacare was fully funded in the last budget - and this seems unlikely to me, as the last budget I remember passing was before Obamacare was passed and signed into law - then we are well and truly fucked until we take the Senate and White House, because the left will prefer a CR every year, along with little supplemental spending bills to add to the amount being spent on their pet projects. Could someone with a brain edumacate me on all this? My lizard brain and I would greatly appreciate it.

73 Shortest: We're F****D!

74 fine No Waivers! none, zip. all men are created equal!

75 So, Boehner is demanding the GOP Senators get all badass. Okay, you first, Weepy. Give them a bill that they can use against the Democrats. Be ready to shut the whole thing down. What? That's too far to go? Then STFU, bitch.

76 think Dem leadership would want to see their families on Obamacare ?

No waivers!

77 Josef: I am no expert, but certain taxes on capital gains and interest income went up substantially starting LAST January 1st. So it has already started.

78 If they are not going to kill it I don't want any delay.  Let's have everyone feasting off of this shit sandwich NOW so we ALL know what real pain is. 

79 What about the incandacent light bulb ban? Is a repeal of that in the bills?

80 You just grab some DOA house bill that died in the Senate, jack it up, re-title it, and drive a new bill underneath. Voila, a spending bill that "originated in the house", but was completely written in the Senate. See how that works? ------------------- But they can't DO that! That's a blatantly unconstitutional violation of the - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Couldn't hold it together. Of course they will. And the go-along-to-get-along-RINO-pussyboy gang will lay down and take it, because they might lose an election for attempting to stop Democrats from steamrolling America with their bullshit commie agenda. Because Republican voters DEMAND representatives with no balls, who sell out their constituents' principles at every turn Also, MATH. Additionally, you don't understand how politics works.

81 I hope they haven't passed that tar, feather, pitchfork and torch tax yet.

82 Dear God. I just watched Obama's "response" to the GOP at the Business Roundtable.

Did anyone know we've "come a long way on the economy"?

No? Me either.

Oh and it's "unprecedented" to use the debt ceiling to extort a president?

Actually, no its not unprecedented to use the debt ceiling as a "negotiation" point with the president. It's what Congress and our government are suppose to do; negotiate and debate. Not play golf, go on continuous vacations and fling poo as a substitute for doing their job. 

Oh and he's says the budget is a "ideological fight". Ya think? Speaking of the economy, entitlements, budget deficits and other fiscal matters- how's your "ideology" working out? Time to try something new- don't ya think?

83

At least the House is also offering a Republican plan to replace Obamacare.

Dailey Caller has a story.  It is only 200 pages or so.  I hope it is all they say it is.

This actually could begin to repeal Obamacare if they play it carefully enough to get some Democrats on board before the mid-terms.

We may actually get the discussion that was denied us in 2009.

 

84 No exemptions.
every american on ACA. now.

85

The House, anticipating that Senate Dems will strip out Obamacare defunding, will also pass a 1-year debt ceiling increase in exchange for an Obamacare delay until 2015, some tax and budget reforms, and the Keystone pipeline.

 

Artisanal 'ette is right.  This is a fucking joke.  No debt increase and no delaying Barkycare.  Either implement the goddamn thing now, with every one of its onerous provisions applicable to everyone, or kill it.  Do not fucking delay Obamacare until some mythical fortuitous time!  Kill it now!

 

And "tax and budget reforms?"  "Keystone?"  Agreement from the fucking lying ambulatory pieces of shit known as Democrats?  Ask Reagan how well gooing along with Democrats works.  Ask GWHB how well they keep their promises.

 

The GOP needs to die.

86 #35, agreed. Meggie Mac is really making chubbette blondes with trust funds everywhere look bad.

87 >>Boehner also seems to be daring Sens Cruz and Paul to do what exactly if the math is not conducive to them? Is he implying that none of the other GOP senators give a hoot, even symbolically? The math is not conducive to Republicans in DC, period. But the vast amount of hate has been heaped on the House and I think Boehner is getting a little sick of it. The House has passed multiple budgets. The Senate hasn't done shit. The House has voted to repeal Obamacare over 40 times. The Senate hasn't done shit. But read this blog and other places and the only people taking heat are the leadership in the House while Cruz, Paul and others in the Senate are looked at as leaders without doing anything but talking. I think this is more like a "Ok, you guys have been talking tough for a long time now, time to show what you can do" moment.

88 We'll take the Morons but we don't want the Irish! Wait! Half the Morons ARE Irish.

89 See how that works? Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 11:08 AM (9MLX+) Vaguely. It's hard to make out through the red veil of rage in front of my eyes. I was also poking fun at the poor people in the House whinging about boo hoo the Senate Republicans are blaming us for funding it. Hey, jackholes, guess what? That's the side of Congress that has to do that! I know, I know, it's cis and hetero normatively racist of me to expect people to read something written, like, years ago and all that. But still.

90

Posted by: Josef K. at September 18, 2013 11:12 AM (tOkJB)

 

Simple.... they pass a bill saying we continue to fund the Government at the current levels except for this specific money... then list the Obamacare funding...

 

Problem will come when Obama shifts money from one account to another... like they have to play with the Government debt for the last 4 months.... which has not gone up because of accounting tricks...

 

Because.... how does Congress ENFORCE cutting a budget without defunding the entire Dept?

91

Posted by: Josef K. at September 18, 2013 11:12 AM (tOkJB)

 

So far, PlaceboCare has been fully funded as envisioned by the POR Troika when they had their staffers and lobbyists (though I repeat myself) write the PlaceboCare bill, with most of that funding written into the act and thus not subject to annual appropriations. Of course, there's nothing that says Congress can't pass a subsequent law to wipe out those automatic approprations.

 

As for what is funded by annual appropriations, that's the Defense Department, Forest Service, State Department, CIA, and other minor federal entities, or about $1.2 trillion of the $3.5 trillion spent by the government every year. The rest, from PlaceboCare to SocSecurity to Medicare (all of which have perpetual funding) to food stamps (which has a 5-year funding cycle), are not funded by annual appropriations.

92 Damn dirty sock off!

93 The next time you go to buy a car, walk in and tell the salesman that you absolutely have to leave with a car today, no matter what.  See what that does for you.

In any negotiation you have to have a point where you're willing to walk away.  Boehner and the House leadership have stated that they're not willing to walk away from the table no matter what (shut down the government).

94 i loove  how leadership has exempted themselves from the pain of it.

why can't the team Republican point this out and demand EVERYONE, absolutely every american has to comply with their Law?

how is this legal?
created equal ? my ass.

95

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 18, 2013 11:16 AM (zF6Iw)

 

 

Yep.... the amount of chaos defunding will create in the market place will be astronomical.

 

The only thing Business hates worse than bad rules, is not knowing what the rules are... because they literally can't write a year long contract for healthcare without knowing what the rules are...

96

>>>>We'll take the Morons but we don't want the Irish!

 

Just pass a law saying the Irish have to live in taverns, then surround the taverns with palisades.

97 "GOP leadershipÂ’s goal is to force conservatives like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas)..." Almost implies that GOP leadership is anti-conservative...

98 Forgive me...no chance to read all of the comments, but many of those 40 repeal votes did overturn portions of the law successfully.

99 "I hate to say it, but that may be the best we can hope for til after mid-terms. Start edumacating you neighbors now." Why would midterms change anything with the GOP's attitude such as displayed by Boehner? Who would vote for the sneering SOBs? Funny that Boehner never sneers at Obama no matter how much he patronizes the Republicans, eg the Syria speech. You start to get the feeling there is a political pecking order and GOP voters are at the bottom of the pile, even behind the illegals.

100 Its straight up CalvinBall.

Seriously, the Rubicon was crossed a long time ago.  No empire in the history of the world has ever recovered from this level of internal rot.  EVER.  It doesn't happen.

Newton is doing the driving now, not us.  The trajectory is ballistic; maneuvering thrusters are out of fuel.

101

>>>i loove how leadership has exempted themselves from the pain of it.

 

They're exempt from a lot of laws. OSHA and Equal Opportunity laws amongst them.

102 i loove how leadership has exempted themselves from the pain of it. why can't the team Republican point this out and demand EVERYONE, absolutely every american has to comply with their Law? how is this legal? created equal ? my ass.----Willow I was at a dinner party with mostly the Trader Joe's crowd of DINK retirees the other day and this point was the only thing we could all agree on. Left, Right, Center, Everyone hated this. Forward that finding on to any political party that wants to use it.

103 Why do the Republicans want to delay ObamaCare? Won't that help Democrats get elected/stay in office, if none of the bad effects are seen until after the 2014 elections?

People won't feel the full effects until after the election anyways.

The longer it's actively in place, the harder it will be to repeal it.

104

"GOP leadershipÂ’s goal is to force conservatives like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas)..."

 

Almost implies that GOP leadership is anti-conservative...

 

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 18, 2013 11:20 AM (LSJmV)

 

ReWrite™ engaged for reality - El Partido Republicano Legado has no use for conservatives as their new bases are the elderly and the Mexicans.

105

I'd much prefer that they abandon the whole delay position.

 

Implement it now, and implement it FULLY. As has been stated before, the only way to get rid of bad legislation is to enforce it mercilessly.

 

Let the sheeple get what they voted for. Let them get it long. Let them get it hard. Sometimes children have to get their hands burnt a little for them to grasp WHY they shouldn't touch the hot stove.

 

Freedom or Fire!

106

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 18, 2013 11:16 AM (zF6Iw)

 

Note.... I am on Tricare.... and usually pay upfront for the entire year...

 

UHC would not take my year payment this time (option was not even available for paying online)... only for a quarter... because they said they did not know what Congress would do to the rates...

107 8 out of 10 monkeys fucking a football agree. This a clusterfuck of historically epic proportions.


 

108 It is totally a great strategy for "leadership" to say "It ain't gonna work, but I'll do my half-assed worst to provide the requisite Kabuki for political cover."  When people want to fight to de-fund, that's exactly what they had in mind.  When do we pop the corks?

109 only thing we could all agree on. Left, Right, Center, Everyone hated this.

We have defacto royalty now. 

110 Just send it forwards, no conference, and recess.  Go home.  Shut it down if you want Harry.  Oh, and if you bitch about, we'll really fuck you over on the debt ceiling.

111

Newton is doing the driving now, not us. The trajectory is ballistic; maneuvering thrusters are out of fuel.

 

Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 11:21 AM (9MLX+)

 

If only Newton were in charge, then we could slow to terminal velocity.  The rockets are going full steam...straight down.

112 Put up or shut up from Boehner? Sure, because controlling the House and committees and contemplating bringing up shit Obama wants like shamnesty is totes the same as being a member of the minority in the Senate.

113 Almost implies that GOP leadership is anti-conservative...

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 18, 2013 11:20 AM (LSJmV)

 

 

-- Yea, I saw that too

114 I am no expert, but certain taxes on capital gains and interest income went up substantially starting LAST January 1st. So it has already started. Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 18, 2013 11:14 AM (l3vZN) OK, thanks. And here's another question. Every year, the Senate (read: Harry Reid) shoots down a House budget bill. Usually by simply never voting on it. Then they strip all the text from a separate bill the House has sent over, and replace that text with their own budget bill. So why doesn't every member of the House jump on this unprincipled bullsh*t with both feet? They should all be making speeches to their constituents, and lecturing every interviewer, calling the Senate's behavior out as the intellectually dishonest, immoral crap it is. Democrat House members should be challenged to condemn this behavior, and it should be flatly stated that going along with the Senate on this is un-American. Time for some scorched earth. They should also let the Senate know loud and clear that when the House sends a budget to the Senate, no other legislation will be acted on until the Senate gives the House budget a vote on the Senate floor. Yes, they still are not going to force through the kind of budget the horde would like to see, but at least they will be preparing the verbal battleground for the next election cycle, when the left can be excoriated for the way they play fast and loose with the truth.

115 why can't the team Republican point this out and demand EVERYONE, absolutely every american has to comply with their Law? Oh, they may have mentioned it...

116 heh: "Unfortunately, GOP leadership’s criticisms of the defund strategy for being a suicide mission ring hollow once you notice that the point of leverage in Cantor’s plan — likely government default or shutdown — is no different or better than the point of leverage in the Cruz/Lee plan. " http://thefederalist.com/2013/09/18/a-middle-ground-for-the-gop-on-obamacare-defunddelay/

117 Newton is doing the driving now, not us. The trajectory is ballistic; maneuvering thrusters are out of fuel. Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 11:21 AM (9MLX+) ----------------- Refuckulate the carbinator and transfer all power to the pedals of Barry's lady bike. Ramming speed.

118

The math is not conducive to Republicans in DC, period. But the vast amount of hate has been heaped on the House and I think Boehner is getting a little sick of it.

If he wants to be sick of something, it should be the gangsters auditing the groups giving his party money and time.

No, he's mad at the people who want to oppose them.

John Boehner is a drunken orange coward.

119 Oh, they may have mentioned it...

 

Posted by: The MFM at September 18, 2013 11:25 AM (FcR7P)

 

But we swallow whole.

120 Well, at least Boehner didn't call the party's base 'hobbits'.

121 Illegal immigrants chain themselves to White House fence Seven illegal immigrants chained themselves to the White House fence Wednesday to demand President Obama halt all deportations, saying he has a moral obligation to keep families together. “Stop deportations — not one more,” onlookers chanted as police moved in to remove the activists, who aired a live web videocast of their arrest. Si se puede!

122 Purp, I've got enough food, ammo, and whiskey to make it thru the inevitable dead cat bounce - after that?

123 The math is not conducive to Republicans in DC

124

We have defacto royalty now.

 

 

Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 11:24 AM (9MLX+)

 

 

I think of them as Mandarins.... you know... the 'educated class' who ran the empire of China... they had their own entrance exams... watched out for each others 'families'... and were able to over ride the will of the Emperor by using rules, and delays...

125 Why just concentrate on defunding Obamacare? Defund the IRS. Without the IRS Obamacare is screwed anyway. Be aggressive. Start making tremendous demands of the Dems. Defund everything and then force them to vote to fund the IRS O-care etc.

126 'Seven illegal immigrants" who in a just world would already be on palne home.

127

I called Harry Reid.  I told him about the two bills.  I said we'll send the first over so they can vote it down, then afterward, we can send my original plan through.

I didn't say I'm terrified of a shutdown out loud, but somehow picked up on that. 

128 Illegal immigrants chain themselves to White House fence Seven illegal immigrants chained themselves to the White House fence Wednesday to demand President Obama halt all deportations, saying he has a moral obligation to keep families together. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So they're not anti-fence!

129

Posted by: RWC at September 18, 2013 11:29 AM (fWAjv)

 

Soooo.... if they are not deported... after SELF identifying as Illegal...

 

This country is done.

130 I'd much prefer that they abandon the whole delay position.

Implement it now, and implement it FULLY. As has been stated before, the only way to get rid of bad legislation is to enforce it mercilessly.

How?

Obama decided on a whim to ignore the law as written in Obamacare.  What makes you think he won't ignore a new law telling him to stop ignoring the old law?

131

Seems we are, once again, shooting a little low.

One man without courage gets to hit the tanning booth and have a few highballs afterward.

132 John Boehner is a drunken orange coward.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 18, 2013 11:28 AM (TpXEI)

**

Please retract immediately.  The Drunken Orange Coward coalition is not or has ever been affiliated in any way with that weepy, rot gutted, weasel John Boehner.

Good Day Sir.

133 Iblis - end witholding by having the House Committee chair offer transactional immunity to anyone the IRS attempts to prosecute.  Forward your first letter to the Committee, they response with a grant of immunity. 

134 OT:  My high school senior daughter's homework.  She got an assignment in her government class to pick two sentences out of a chapter on congressional powers, write them on a poster, and include pictures of how she feels about the topic. 

And we wonder why we've got Obama.

I gave her a couple regarding current events.  One was about congresses power to tax and spend in light of the upcoming apocalypse next Tuesday (she wasn't excited about that) the other about congress's power to declare war but president's using military action without congressional approval.  She chose that one.  I mention Reagan bombing Libya so maybe Reagan will at least be mentioned in school.  

135 I've got enough food, ammo, and whiskey to make it thru the inevitable dead cat bounce - after that?

Best case is a sharp/quick Soviet style collapse and reformation that leaves most core manufacturing infrastructure and public services intact.

However, the US cities strike me as a lot less disciplined and accustomed to general hardship than the Soviets were. 

136 Link to WashTimes article - illegals http://tinyurl.com/pj555aj

137

The math is not conducive to Republicans in DC, period. But the vast amount of hate has been heaped on the House and I think Boehner is getting a little sick of it.

 

Boehner deserves it.

138 129 Seven illegal immigrants chained themselves to the White House fence Wednesday to demand President Obama halt all deportations, saying he has a moral obligation to keep families together ...... Fantastic! That's several we don't have to track down. Now cuff the bastards and put them on a turnip truck back to where they came.

139 Hold it..., they are already chained up? That is what I call an easy bust.

140 saying he has a moral obligation to keep families together

Offer to deport the whole family as a unit.

Problem solved.

141 We have defacto royalty now. Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 11:24 AM (9MLX+) Insty's been snarking about titles of nobility for awhile now.

142

>>>'Seven illegal immigrants"

 

Which was based on Akira Kurosawa's "Seven Wetbacks" but this one is updated to reflect modern sensibilities and is in color.

143 Josef, those are good questions and I wish I had the answers.

144 "The House has passed multiple budgets. The Senate hasn't done shit" JackStraw, there's the crux of it right there. If the Senate doesn't have to then why should the House? After five years and two elections that have changed nothing voter fatigue has set in.

145

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 18, 2013 11:32 AM (SY2Kh)

 

The bill as written said the Sec of DHS could grant Waivers.... THAT part of the bill needs to be rescinded.

146 This post is just missing a clown picture.  Or a clown car.

147

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 18, 2013 11:35 AM (lZBBB)

 

Excuse me... Dept of Health.....

148 Soooo.... if they are not deported... after SELF identifying as Illegal...

This country is done.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 18, 2013 11:31 AM (lZBBB)

**

Seems to me like fish in a barrel for a young, ambitious ICE agent.

Or not.

149 "The short version of the leadership's plans: the House will pass a CR that defunds Obamacare and send it to the Senate to see if Senate GOP can make it stick. The House, anticipating that Senate Dems will strip out Obamacare defunding, will also pass a 1-year debt ceiling increase in exchange for an Obamacare delay until 2015, some tax and budget reforms, and the Keystone pipeline."

I'm for it. The Dems are mortgaged to the hilt on Obamacare, higher taxes, and Keystone. Let's get a Dem nose count on these matters. LIV voters are on the table - they are listening, and anytime Obamacare is mentioned, they twitch.

150 Should let those folks stay at the White House.  They want to hand out amnesty, then let them stay with the folks that pander to them.

151 There is no voter fatigue when it comes to Obamacare and inflation.  Food prices are rising fast.

152 >>Boehner deserves it. Some, sure. But if he had done the balls to the wall strategy and it failed, which it would, the same people who are blaming him now would blame him then. He's in a no-win situation.

153

As a negotiator, John Boehner is like a drunken divorce telling you she's wearing her "fun" undies.

Everybody knows how this date is gonna end.

154 What makes you think he won't ignore a new law telling him to stop ignoring the old law?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 18, 2013 11:32 AM

Shit, taking the radical and unprecedented tack of enforcing existing law would get Choom Boy's attention.

Of course, so would the resulting prison term for the treasonous shitweasel, but that's another story.

At least he'd have a minimum of 535 of his BFFs keeping him company in SuperMax if the "Nation of Laws" were to magically come back to life....

155 Boehner should have his own chapter in "Great Moderates in American History."

156 One word...just one: SELL ..SELL like your country depends on it. Every show, everytime EXPLAIN what you are doing and why...over and over again... in other words LEAD.
Yes the media will trash you but FIGHT LIKE HELL!
Rinos be damned

157 Oh and defund the office in the State Department holding up Keystone. Defund the EPA. 135 Iblis - end witholding by having the House Committee chair offer transactional immunity to anyone the IRS attempts to prosecute. Forward your first letter to the Committee, they response with a grant of immunity. Posted by: Jean at September 18, 2013 11:32 AM (CMlD4) What like the Geitner rule? Anyone busted for cheating by the IRS gets instant immunity? I could go for that. We're playing by their rules. We need to stop and start using the Constitution to our advantage.

158 The House, anticipating that Senate Dems will strip out Obamacare defunding, will also pass a 1-year debt ceiling increase in exchange for an Obamacare delay until 2015, some tax and budget reforms, and the Keystone pipeline. ---------- So IOW they are surrendering. House passes a CR without Obamacare funding. Senate passes a CR with Obamacare funding. However way you slice it, how can Obamacare funding get through the House without them actually voting on it? I see no way that it can, unless the House GOP preemptively takes the issue away by agreeing to a funding as part of a delay. And this goes right back to what Andy was saying yesterday...what makes the assumptions of the "delay" crowd more valid than that of the "defund" crowd? They aren't.

159

Ohhhh..... kewl...

 

Seems that yesterday Obama 'waived' the legal prohibition for sending Arms to known terrorist groups in Syria!

 

Good Times!

 

The only thing worse than a Dictatorial President... is a Congress who writes laws that give him the power with no checks and balances....

160 Boehner's statement sounds like a hideous challenge to Cruz et al. Instead of a challenge to JEF, of course. Cruz can handle the challenge, whether he succeeds or not. The difference between Boehner and Cruz. Cruz ought to out the Dems that are on the fence, and need encouragement. Let the people help Cruz. Not the GOP establishment, who seem to be doing the opposite.

161 He's in a no-win situation.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 18, 2013 11:40 AM

So-fucking-what?

No one held a gun to his head and demanded that he take his cushy gig in Congress, nor did any eeeeevil miscreants demand that he play footsie with Choom Boy, swill all that free lobbyist booze, take those free first-class jaunts on the gubmint dime, etc., etc., etc....

162 Obama decided on a whim to ignore the law as written in Obamacare. What makes you think he won't ignore a new law telling him to stop ignoring the old law?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 18, 2013 11:32 AM (SY2Kh)

By that argument, the Rs should do nothing: no defunding, no shutdown, no parliamentary tricks, no surrender. Just sit, why act?

163 "Why just concentrate on defunding Obamacare? Defund the IRS. Without the IRS Obamacare is screwed anyway. Be aggressive. Start making tremendous demands of the Dems. Defund everything and then force them to vote to fund the IRS O-care etc." The IRS is so on the nose with the public it would be an inspired move.

164 All I know is that in the next election, I will be voting straight-ticket American Maleness Platform Of Pussy-Crushing Freedom party.

165 Purp, I've got some distance as well, with about an hour's notice to round up the kids.

Any urban moron should really consider a buying a cabin or small farm on the cheap, or at a minimum stashing a few things (like a change of clothes, critical medicine, copies of important documents) at a relative who lives in a small town.  If not for the burning times - just regular disasters - like floods in Colorado.

166

Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2013 11:43 AM (9221z)

 

Congress has not power to grant either Immunity, nor Pardon...

 

As they are not the enforcement arm with the WAY abused idea of 'Prosecutorial Discretion'.

167 "Senior House Republican aides and lawmakers are sick of Senate conservatives blaming the House for funding the law."

Note that House Republicans are not sick of lying POS Dems who haven't passed a budget in 4-5 years or the worst President in living memory who slanders them at every opportunity, usurps their Constitutional authority, etc. No, they are only too happy to be Obama's butt boys on Syria without knowing all the facts but when it comes to Senate conservatives, they hate, hate, hate.

The House leadership bully, threaten and remove conservatives from leadership in the House, make deals with Democrats to pass bills. They are beneath contempt. I won't vote for my GOP rep. who I worked to get elected in 2010. His conservative rating is 53% and he is now a proud member of No Labels. If he can't be successfully primaried, I will either stay home or vote Libertarian.

Ckuf the GOP.

168 Getting this into hot and heavy debate and action BEFORE the mid terms is extremely important, and probably the only opportunity left to effect a meaningful change in the law.  There are many dems who are in position to feel real heat over this and who may find that their jobs are worth more to them than kissing the hem of obama's imaginary robe.

169 The bill as written said the Sec of DHS could grant Waivers.... THAT part of the bill needs to be rescinded.

 

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 18, 2013 11:35 AM (lZBBB)

 

Yes.  In fact, that ought to be the ONLY thing debated or negotiated:

 

Obamacare for EVERYONE or NO ONE!

 

No waivers.  No exemptions.  No funding until everyone is included.  And the beauty is that it's a simple declarative sentence:

 

"But what about a government shutdown?"

"Obamacare for EVERYONE or NO ONE."

"Children will starve!"

"Obamacare for EVERYONE or No ONE."

 

"You're racist!"

"Obamacare for EVERYONE or NO ONE!"

 

If that's what pisses people off the most about Barkycare, then jam it down the government's throat.  EVERYONE or NO ONE!

 

170 Father of the Year award goes to.. drumroll http://tinyurl.com/owpdwn3 A father who hit three cars after speeding down a Washington interstate high on meth wearing nothing but a woman's shirt and prosthetic breasts - as his two daughters sat in the back - has been jailed for dangerous driving. There should be a law!

171 ACA exemptions are slavery. If I must pay and others are exempt, then I am a slave. !!! Now, let's cut to the chase and give me my dang reparations !!!

172 Need to get this out there. Put an op-ed in the NYT and WaPo, and spread this nationwide. If people don't see it, they won't support it. The Republican Study Committee in the House of Representatives will unveil a healthcare bill Wednesday to replace Obamacare. The bill, titled the Republican Study Committee’s American Healthcare Reform Act, “dramatically opens up options for families, and dramatically lowers costs” compared to the Obamacare law, committee chairman Louisiana Rep. Steven Scalise told The Daily Caller. The 200-page budget-neutral bill would provide $20,000 in tax deductions to families and a $7,500 deduction to individuals, so they can buy insurance from vendors in any state. It would also would allow Americans to keep the money they save by picking lower-cost providers. dailycaller

173 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

174 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

175 You now have my permission to begin the thread.

176

(Hollowpoint) 132: "How?"

 

My Protocol-Fu is weak on this one. But presumabley, the congress is able to impeach the AG for not prosecuting violation of law.

 

Or instead of defunding O-Care, how's about defunding HHS and the IRS (as mentioned by Iblis above) unless the law is carried out since these agencies are tasked with implementation?

 

"You want the welfare checks to go out on the first? Then you will do X, Y, and Z."

 

The GOP may not be able to get any actual legislation passed, but they can actually start to live up to their title of The Party of No". This may result in a few party invitations being withdrawn for the Gabe types who are concerned with what Frum et. al. says about them. But power that is not exercised, is power that is not existant.

 

Freedom or Fire!

177 Seems to me like fish in a barrel for a young, ambitious ICE agent.Or not. Posted by: dananjcon at September 18, 2013 11:36 AM (wmU4G) Aren't some ICE agents suing because TFG won't let them do their jobs?

178

As a negotiator, John Boehner is like a drunken divorce telling you she's wearing her "fun" undies.

 

Hmm.  Do you happen to have an address where I might meet some of these charming ladies?  Just for informational purposes, of course.

179 We need to have a President-For-A-Day Contest, find the dumbest fucking no-speaky-Inglés illegal alien we can, and lavish him with praise, meals, and gifts for a day.

180 >>So-fucking-what? >>No one held a gun to his head and demanded that he take his cushy gig in Congress, nor did any eeeeevil miscreants demand that he play footsie with Choom Boy, swill all that free lobbyist booze, take those free first-class jaunts on the gubmint dime, etc., etc., etc.... I don't remember anyone saying anyone did hold a gun to his head. I'm simply stating fact. There is no way this was ever going to happen. Just because people type incessantly on their keyboards that there is a magic solution that would get the Senate Dems and Obama to sign a bill that defunded his one significant legislative accomplishment there really isn't. At this point all many want is fight, fight fight!! even if it is a pointless and ultimately losing battle. And when that battle is lost they want to blame Boehner once again no matter what he does. I think he is sick of that position and is saying to the guys in the Senate who want the fight, fight, fight strategy, ok, all yours. Here is what you have asked for, get it done.

181

Ckuf the GOP.

 

Posted by: jeannebodine at September 18, 2013 11:46 AM (2LJqa)

 

Did you forget you are at AoSHQ and can fucking say, "FUCK the GOP!" (or as I say, "Fuck El PRL!")?

182

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 18, 2013 11:47 AM (zF6Iw)

 

And its a very simple argument to make...

 

Because America, as a Republic, is based on the idea of Equality under the Law.

 

I've been saying for YEARS now, that the Republicans... a party started to defend the Republic... even named for that... should make the Application of the Written law an issue.

183 Father of the Year award goes to.. drumroll http://tinyurl.com/owpdwn3 A father who hit three cars after speeding down a Washington interstate high on meth wearing nothing but a woman's shirt and prosthetic breasts - as his two daughters sat in the back - has been jailed for dangerous driving. There should be a law! Posted by: RWC at September 18, 2013 11:48 AM (fWAjv) How dare you discriminate against her because she is trans-gendered and smashing your cis-normative oppression!!1!

184 There should be a law! Posted by: RWC at September 18, 2013 11:48 AM (fWAjv) I refuse to believe that story. It says it happened somewhere not Florida and that's unpossible.

185 Some, sure. But if he had done the balls to the wall strategy and it failed, which it would, the same people who are blaming him now would blame him then. He's in a no-win situation.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 18, 2013 11:40 AM (g1DWB)

 

He's in a no win situation because he's demonstrated time and again that he's not interested in winning.  He doesn't take a stand.  He jumps up on Obama's lap like an idiot poodle on Syria.   When he claims a "win" and cutting the budget by $50 billion, the reality is that it was only like $1 billion.  He refuses to do his job as a representative on Amnesty because he's "just a facillitator."  No asshole you're a rep take your position so your constituents can know what a worthless little weasel and coward you truly are.

 

He deserves ALL the hate piled on him.

186 172 - jailed for dangerous driving? Must've been some great tits.

187 Posted by: Romeo13 at September 18, 2013 11:50 AM (lZBBB) My winning consulting team does not think the "Nation of laws not men" theme is a hill to die on.

188 Note
that House Republicans are not sick of lying POS Dems who haven't
passed a budget in 4-5 years or the worst President in living memory who
slanders them at every opportunity, usurps their Constitutional
authority, etc. No, they are only too happy to be Obama's butt boys on
Syria without knowing all the facts but when it comes to Senate
conservatives, they hate, hate, hate.

The House leadership bully,
threaten and remove conservatives from leadership in the House, make
deals with Democrats to pass bills. They are beneath contempt. I won't
vote for my GOP rep. who I worked to get elected in 2010. His
conservative rating is 53% and he is now a proud member of No Labels. If
he can't be successfully primaried, I will either stay home or vote
Libertarian.

Ckuf the GOP.

Posted by: jeannebodine at September 18, 2013 11:46 AM (2LJqa)

 

 

Total agreement!  Preach it!

189 All I know is that in the next election, I will be voting straight-ticket American Maleness Platform Of Pussy-Crushing Freedom party. Posted by: Countrysquire at September 18, 2013 11:46 AM (LSJmV) I'm going to write in Ace (on his good days). For House and Senate races? AOSHQ commenters.

190 Just because people type incessantly on their keyboards that there is a magic solution that would get the Senate Dems and Obama to sign a bill that defunded his one significant legislative accomplishment there really isn't. ---------- It's not "magic." The simple fact is that nothing gets funded in this country without the House signing off on it. Is it a nuclear option? Yes, I would agree that it kinda is. But unfortunately that's what we have left. You fight battles with the tools you have, not delay and hope you'll have better tools down the road.

191 "House passes a CR without Obamacare funding. Senate passes a CR with Obamacare funding. However way you slice it, how can Obamacare funding get through the House without them actually voting on it?"

It can't.  But Obamacare is even more unpopular now than when it was passed.  Obamacare is severely damaging the economy and it is a gross violation of individual rights.  We need a constitutional conflict to make these matters clear and that makes this fight essential for the future of our country.

192 A father who hit three cars after speeding down a Washington interstate high on meth wearing nothing but a woman's shirt and prosthetic breasts - as his two daughters sat in the back - has been jailed for dangerous driving. ---------------------- "160kmph" That is one fast car...

193

Refuckulate the carbinator and transfer all power to the pedals of Barry's lady bike.

 

Ramming Ludicrous speed.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 18, 2013 11:27 AM (2fm0d)

Fixed.

194 Ludicrous speed. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 18, 2013 11:27 AM (2fm0d) Fixed. Posted by: cajun caret at September 18, 2013 11:54 AM (UZQM The HQ has gone to plaid!

195 "160kmph" That is one fast car... Posted by: Mike Hammer +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The cops must've been going at light speed to catch him/her. Maybe even plaid.

196 For House and Senate races? AOSHQ commenters. Posted by: artisanal 'ette --------------- OOOoooo. Do I get a tony townhouse in George town?! Count me in.

197 Georgetown...

198 He deserves ALL the hate piled on him. Posted by: buzzion at September 18, 2013 11:51 AM (LI48c) Maybe we are being too harsh on John "Chimney" Boehner, but if we can't expect him to fight, can we at least expect him to not surrender as his very first move in the 11 dimensional chess game?

199
181 We need to have a President-For-A-Day Contest, find the dumbest fucking no-speaky-Inglés illegal alien we can, and lavish him with praise, meals, and gifts for a day.
Posted by: Fritz at September 18, 2013 11:50 AM (UzPAd)

Um, like, I think we already did that. Except instead of a day, we accidentally made it for eight years.

200

44 defund and go home. if Obama and the Senate want to hold the Free Shit Army's and government "workers" checks hostage, GOD BLESS THEM. I can hold my breath longer than they can.

 

Me too.

201

For House and Senate races? AOSHQ commenters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

 

If nominated, I will not run.  If elected, I will not serve.

 

But I will gladly accept any sexual favors thrown my way.

202 >>>Um, like, I think we already did that. Except instead of a day, we accidentally made it for eight years.<<<

Yes, but we need to let the first one know his expendable. No really.

203 But I will gladly accept any sexual favors thrown my way. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing --------------- Let's talk..., or text..

204 I refuse to believe that story. It says it happened somewhere not Florida and that's unpossible. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 18, 2013 11:51 AM (VtjlW) Florida? Why Florida? Prince E. Simmons, 27, of 1615 SW 42nd St., Apt. 2, and Mario Bernard Aikens, 24, of 2840 SE 15th Ave., were arrested on Tuesday, according to the Gainesville Police Department. Simmons was arrested on allegations that over the past few weeks he repeatedly exposed himself and masturbated at Planet Smoothie at 1620 W. University Ave. and also at the End Zone at 1209 W. University Ave. GPD spokesman Officer Ben Tobias reported that a Planet Smoothie employee called police about the incidents. Officers were able to locate Simmons when he showed up at Planet Smoothie on Tuesday. Tobias said Simmons confessed to repeated masturbation at the shop and to an incident at the End Zone. Surveillance video connected Simmons to the End Zone incident. Oh, I see. Planet Smoothie and End Zone tee hee hee

205

97 Forgive me...no chance to read all of the comments, but many of those 40 repeal votes did overturn portions of the law move deck chairs around on the Titanic successfully.

 

fixt

 

206 >>It's not "magic." The simple fact is that nothing gets funded in this country without the House signing off on it. Yes, I'm well aware of how the legislative process works. But I strongly disagree with those who say that the Republicans would get rewarded for this strategy and ultimately Obamacare is going to get funded now. If this strategy actually worked then government shutdowns would have happened all the time in the past and they would have been successful. They haven't and they haven't. I would rather the Republicans get the hell out of the way and let the law crash on its own which everyone here has been predicting since the day it passed. If thats the case, why not let it crater on its own rather than let the Dems win the PR war of saying it was the Repubs who made it fail?

207
Obamacare is even more unpopular now than when it was passed.
Posted by: mrp




There is a tactical argument that if the can is kicked until Oct 1, people will start open enrollment and using the exchanges. Once voters are hit in the face with the jump in their healthcare costs, that will give the Reps momentum for an extended delay.

But Team Republican really just wants to push this issue out until after the next election.

208 204 ... he's expendable.   Damn internets.  They're messing that up too.

209 I would rather the Republicans get the hell out of the way and let the law crash on its own which everyone here has been predicting since the day it passed. If thats the case, why not let it crater on its own rather than let the Dems win the PR war of saying it was the Repubs who made it fail?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 18, 2013 12:01 PM (g1DWB)

 

Because they totes wouldn't do that in any other situation right?

210 NY Times is reporting that Leslie Graham says stripping Obamacare out is a "bridge to far" Someone beat him in the primary.

211 >>Because they totes wouldn't do that in any other situation right? Because Obama and the Dems are not taking any hits for how unpopular Obamacare is right now, right? Or haven't you noticed?

212

OK, this is completely off topic, but we're past 200 comments:

 

A "modern" trailer for Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

 

http://tinyurl.com/qgc3f97

 

Maybe someone could forward this to Maet for the overnight thread?

213 NY Times is reporting that Leslie Graham says stripping Obamacare out is a "bridge to far"

Who is Leslie Graham?

214 Someone beat him in the primary. Posted by: John Smith at September 18, 2013 12:04 PM (wR+pz) OK. Where on the anatomy is the 'primary' located? Because I'm feeling violent. Then after we pound on him a bit, we should find someone to defeat him in the next election.

215 People always feel a need to "do something" about bad shit. 

Doing nothing, IS doing something.  The American public has never been very susceptible to reason, some lessons need to be learned the hard way.

Tell a little kid the stove burner is hot, and they're gonna touch it anyway.  Lessons learned via pain have the longest retention period.

216 166 All I know is that in the next election, I will be voting straight-ticket American Maleness Platform Of Pussy-Crushing Freedom party.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 18, 2013 11:46 AM (LSJmV)

Moto: Grunt!

217 Who is Leslie Graham? Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 18, 2013 12:08 PM (SY2Kh) Leslie / Lindsey / Louella / Lorraine It's all the same.

218 A "modern" trailer for Monty Python and the Holy Grail ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oh, that is brilliant. I'm looking forwardto the movie poster with the cast all slyly peering over the top of their Wayfarer sunglasses.

219 It's ok for he had the obligatory bottle of urine and panties at his feet. Plus, he was going to buy toys at the Dollar Store.

220 At this point attempting to defund Obamacare is stupid. Delaying it is even worse.

Here's my suggestion - implement it all NOW. I want every self-employed person in America to have to start shelling out 2-10K per year out-of-pocket for health care insurance, and every single other person who will incur extra out-of-pocket costs (and there will be plenty) to feel the pain NOW.

Having to shell out cash will cause a lot of reflexive democrats to actually examine their preferences. All  that 'social responsibility' that Liberals love to display, like feathers on a peacock, but expect other people to pay for will evaporate like acetone on a griddle.

THEN we repeal & replace when we actually have the constituency.

Screw this defund bullshit, if it leaves the law on the books, it's not good enough.

Bring the pain.

221 >> 212 NY Times is reporting that Leslie Graham says stripping Obamacare out is a "bridge to far"

Someone beat him... (fixed)

222

215 -

 

His more masculine persona??

223 Seems that yesterday Obama 'waived' the legal prohibition for sending Arms to known terrorist groups in Syria!

And he laughed his ass off when questioned about Iran having nukes.  He may or may not have explained the "glowing Jooos are funny, Allahu Ackbar".

224 Since OFuckCare was passed with not a single R vote, why is it that the Dems insist the Rs must go along with the law and pass funding etc. to support it?
 
Tell me if the roles were reversed that every Dem wouldn't be standing on their soapboxes shouting 'we don't have to go along with this shit'.
 
It's why such a high political value is placed on "bi-partisanship". Even if it's just one vote from the other side; presto, bipartisan.
 
Well, OCare ain't. So Rs are under absolutely no obligation to go along with it at any point, on any issue, at any time.
 
And since the public also hates this pos, it's the winning move. I think the leadership could advance this argument.

225  People always feel a need to "do something" about bad shit.

Doing nothing, IS doing something. The American public has never been very susceptible to reason, some lessons need to be learned the hard way.

Tell a little kid the stove burner is hot, and they're gonna touch it anyway. Lessons learned via pain have the longest retention period.

Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 12:09 PM (9MLX+)

 

A man learns something he can learn in no there way, when he holds a cat by the tail - Mark Twain

226 Digs hole.... Jumps in hole.... Pulls the hole in after me. Kabuki. Is all this is. "Send in the Clowns, don't bother, they're here."

227

People always feel a need to "do something" about bad shit. Doing nothing, IS doing something. The American public has never been very susceptible to reason, some lessons need to be learned the hard way.Tell a little kid the stove burner is hot, and they're gonna touch it anyway. Lessons learned via pain have the longest retention period.
Posted by: Purp at September 18, 2013 12:09 PM (9MLX+)

A man learns something he can learn in no other way, when he holds a cat by the tail - Mark Twain

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 18, 2013 12:13 PM (nTgAI)

 

Corrected - Dumbass

228 I don't think I'd like pussy crushed, shaken or stirred.
Neatly trimmed and maybe bedazzled is just fine with me.

229 I would rather the Republicans get the hell out of the way and let the law crash on its own which everyone here has been predicting since the day it passed.

The people asked for this, they should get it good and hard.  I'm down.

Unfortunately, a lot of us/our families are going to be the collateral damage.  It's hard to watch your own kid suffer so other selfish scrunts can be taught a lesson (particuarly when there's no guarantee they're going to learn shit).

230

 You do know that they are going to cave, again. Right? Roll over, give up, quit, fail, etc.

 

 The republican party's strategy appears to be that in order to win, they must surrender.

 

 They do it over and over and over again.

 

 

231 Delaying ObamaCare is a life preserver to Obama and Democrats.  Obama has been delaying just about every part he possibly can until he gets out of there.

The biggest mistake Republicans made in 2010 was "delaying" the tax increases until after the 2012 election with that ridiculous extension.  Had they said "either make the Bush tax cuts permanent or you're going to have to raise taxes" Obama would have been a one-term President.

232 But Team Republican really just wants to push this issue out until after the next election.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 18, 2013 12:01 PM (kdS6q)

Plans made before the battle become inoperative after the first shot is fired.  Somebody famous said something like that.

233

"50 I'm in the wrong industry.


http://is.gd/xt1edF"

 

 

Drops of water in an endless sea.

234 Drew has a good post up at his blog (link in sidebar) about how to sell defunding to the American people.

235 >>Unfortunately, a lot of us/our families are going to be the collateral damage. It's hard to watch your own kid suffer so other selfish scrunts can be taught a lesson (particuarly when there's no guarantee they're going to learn shit). In one way or another we are all going to feel the pain, already have. But I am pretty confident this thing is going to be a massive train wreck and as West said above, then and only then will we have the support to get rid of it root and branch. Walgreens announced today they are kicking 160,000 off their company health insurance and into the exchanges. This is going on with companies all over the country. And it is only going to get worse. LIV are need to feel the pain instead of the Obama PR bullshit.

236 236 Drew has a good post up at his blog (link in sidebar) about how to sell defunding to the American people.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2013 12:22 PM (gqgiP)

 

I sense another twitter fight.

237 The GOP should point out that if ObamaCare is the most wonderfulest thing ever, why is it delayed and why is congress exempt.  Remember, it was touted as the most greatestest thing of all time and it was going to save money and be awesome.  The GOP should be putting this out 24/7.

...yeah, I know.  The GOP we have is the worstest thing of all the things.

238 "Unfortunately, a lot of us/our families are going to be the collateral damage. It's hard to watch your own kid suffer so other selfish scrunts can be taught a lesson (particuarly when there's no guarantee they're going to learn shit)."

No. No. No. If something is evil, the answer is not to watch others suffer from the effects, but to fight the source of the suffering. Within our constitutional framework, that means encouraging our representatives to engage in battle. If they don't have the right stuff, we replace those representatives with people who will.

239 Or motto. Could go either way.

240

Exactly how do Senate Rs, in the minority, kill the funding in the Senate?

 

I really want to know the answer to that question.

241 The country is lost.

242 Exactly how do Senate Rs, in the minority, kill the funding in the Senate?

I really want to know the answer to that question.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 18, 2013 12:29 PM (tVTLU)

The first step is to put Senate Dems in a position where they must vote up or down on defunding Obamacare. Call it a reconnaissance in force.

243 Wow look it's the Vichy Caucus...

how does one say "Conservative Too!" in French?

244 "Unfortunately, a lot of us/our families are going to be the collateral damage. It's hard to watch your own kid suffer so other selfish scrunts can be taught a lesson (particuarly when there's no guarantee they're going to learn shit)."
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I understand that sentiment, but ObamaCare is not going to be repealed with parliamentary tactics from the House, it's just going to have to collapse on its own.  All we're doing is giving the people that put in place an escape.

We had an election over Obamacare, and a repeal has been voted for something like a dozen times.  At some point, we need to change tactics because it's just not working.  The people have to see it for themselves,

245 Fresh mea...er...new post up.

246 So what if the Senate restores funding in the bill and sends it to committee?  Where is the law that states Republicans must pass anything out of committee?  And why would Boehner taunt Senate Republicans when he knows they do not control the Senate?  When have the conservatives in the Senate not done the right thing as opposed to utterly worthless Republican senators like McCain, Graham, Alexander, Corker etc... who always sell us out?  Boehner gives the game away when he criticizes Cruz rather than McCain.  What he is really mad about is that he has been shamed into doing what he was elected to do and he is signalling as loudly as he can his intention to cave on this.

Here is the dirty little secret which no one seems to have told Boehner.  The Republicans control the House which means the only way Obamacare gets funded is if Republicans in that body vote to fund it.  They have 100% control over whether we are subjected to this thing and that is why the blame falls on them. 

If the government shuts down then we get two things we want, less spending and no Obamacare.  The Dems should have to come to us offering something to prevent that or they just keep getting the same bill back over and over again where they can choose funding everything else vs Obamacare.  We have over a year before the next election.  Does anyone see the Dems not caving well before then? 

And can you even imagine the fun we could have calling up Dem Senators and lambasting them about how we are pissed our checks aren't coming because they insist on adding another program we can't afford and don't want? 

247 8 CountrySquire,

Hey that's the GOP...

when the democrats are blowing their brains out to the point Ogabe is running from his own "win" be sure to add cover GOP...

BRILLIANT!

Defund it or fucking enforce it to the letter universally.

248 I don't support the delay option, it simply kicks the can down the road and delays the reckoning that Obamacare needs to have. The sooner the full pain is felt the sooner public pressure can ramp up against it.

249

225 Seems that yesterday Obama 'waived' the legal prohibition for sending Arms to known terrorist groups in Syria!

 

And where is the outrage at this?   This is simply illegal and it mocks the blood that was shed on 9/11 along with every drop shed on the battlefields since.  I suppose weaping boner, crash mccain, and cheerleader graham have TFG's back on this, huh?  Shucks, Issa may even get around to calling a hearing on this sometime in 2017.

250 Feels like a gimmick... so when Obamacare is funded (as it will be) and the Commies and Commie-lites continue their long march into the glorious people's future, their noise machine of, among others, er, shall we say, um, "boutique" lawyers along the northeast corridor can throw out that, "Well, they tried, but nothing,m really nothing can stop the inevitable triumph of the glorious people's worker's paradise".

251 Walgreens announced today they are kicking 160,000 off their company health insurance and into the exchanges. This is going on with companies all over the country. And it is only going to get worse. LIV are need to feel the pain instead of the Obama PR bullshit. Posted by: JackStraw at September 18, 2013 12:24 PM (g1DWB) Read closer, it's not the state run exchanges, it's a private exchange. Which means there is yet another parallel system being put into place. If you're a large enough employer, you can partner with other large companies and set up your own health care exchange. If not, off to the state run exchanges for you!

252 Exactly how do Senate Rs, in the minority, kill the funding in the Senate?

I really want to know the answer to that question.

Magic happens.  Do you not believe in the magical powers of hope and dreams?  Have you no imagination? 

Over and over the Tea Party types on this very website have assured us that if only we wish hard enough, those wishes will come true, math, logic, reason be damned.  Those are for RINOs who don't want to believe.

But don't you worry.  When (not if) this fails due to the Dems refusing to sign on, it'll be because the GOP Elite Establishment wouldn't take Peter Pan seriously.  Or something.

253

The time for BS political games is past. Put up a vote on the record to repeal it and let the chips fall. Shut down the government until the vote is taken and if it passes, put it in force immediately with no exemptions, and let everyone know that any exemptions will be challenged in court.

254 Within our constitutional framework

Quaint. 

255 This will work: get the sergeant at arms to arrest and detain Harry "loves Dondi" Reid until he passes a budget.

256 Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 18, 2013 12:38 PM (SY2Kh)

All the parliamentary tricks in the world aren't going to achieve anything either. That soap box doesn't exactly fit you.

257 254 Hollowpoint,

It's time for the Senate to go on record.

The GOP fellatory wing up there needs to force a fucking fight and the donkey caucus needs on record as saying, "this shit sandwich is our gift to you America."

258 "Here is the dirty little secret which no one seems to have told Boehner. The Republicans control the House which means the only way Obamacare gets funded is if Republicans in that body vote to fund it. They have 100% control over whether we are subjected to this thing and that is why the blame falls on them."

And when House members were in their districts, they got an earload about Obamacare from their constituents.  Boehner's announcement is a confirmation that the GOP caucus is becoming increasing militant about dealing with the issue.

259

And so, the GOP officially accepts the mantle as "the defeatist party."

 

Imagine if Obama went into Syria and said, "We are going to strike hard.  But make no mistake, we will surrender unconditionally at the first sign of opposition."  That would never be acceptable.  However, somehow it is now laudatory in the GOP leadership.  Great.

260

I have the same basic problem with the "no delay" crowd that I have with the "no defund" crowd - the subsidies must be stopped by any means possible before the first checks go out the door.  There's enough "pre-funding" (remember the "10 years of taxes to fund 6 years of benefits" line back in 2010?) to keep it from fiscally collapsing in the next 3 years, and once welfare begins, it takes a complete financial collapse to kill the welfare program.

 

Of course, El PRL is just fine with the welfare portion; after all, their predecessor the GOP gave us Medicare Part D.  That's why they're not serious about either defunding or delaying PlaceboCare.

261 "Quaint."

Defeatist.

262 If the government shuts down then we get two things we want, less spending and no Obamacare. The Dems should have to come to us offering something to prevent that or they just keep getting the same bill back over and over again where they can choose funding everything else vs Obamacare. We have over a year before the next election. Does anyone see the Dems not caving well before then?

And can you even imagine the fun we could have calling up Dem Senators and lambasting them about how we are pissed our checks aren't coming because they insist on adding another program we can't afford and don't want?

Posted by: Thatch at September 18, 2013 12:35 PM (qYvEa)

Whats that, an invite to tonights gala?!  Consider your bill passed, good sir!

263 Seven illegals chain themselves to the fence.

Ok, so why not just leave them there? Where are they going to go? They will get tired of it after awhile, but then they're chained to the fence.

264 >>Read closer, it's not the state run exchanges, it's a private exchange. Which means there is yet another parallel system being put into place. If you're a large enough employer, you can partner with other large companies and set up your own health care exchange. If not, off to the state run exchanges for you! I know. Say your a low wage worker at Walgreens and you just got kicked off your nice comfy company plan and thrown into an exchange. You follow politics less then you follow the machinations of the Holy Sea which is to say not at all. But you've heard a lot of kerfuffling going on about Obamacare taking away your health insurance and tossing you to an exchange. You really going to do the research to understand the nuance between private and Obamacare exchanges? Me thinks if so you are the only one. Obama won and got this piece of shit passed by promising millions of people free shit or freer shit. It was a lie but few bothered to check the details. Now they are going to feel the pain, you really think they are going to dig in and understand how all this works or do you think they are going to be more receptive to a message of "We tried to warn you but now help me to help you out of this mess."? I think the latter.

265 I have to note, again, that delaying the individual mandates is the worst political option. It can easily lead to the pain being put off until after the mid-term election. What will the Republicans do if the Democrats counter their one year delay with a two year delay?

266 "What will the Republicans do if the Democrats counter their one year delay with a two year delay?"

Repeal.

267 Just like amnesty. House GOP vote for boarder security alone in the house. Senate Dems strip it and put in pure amnesty. House Dems and 20 GOP vote for it and you have amnesty. House GOP vote to defund it, Senate Dems strip it and and a trillion more in spending, House Dems pass it with all but 20 GOP voting no.

268

Trevor exactly.  Hollowpoint, yep!

 

This is ridiculous.  Perhaps I'm not understanding, but it looks like House GOP Est. just fucking caved.

 

Do they forget why they have the fucking majority in the House????

269 These guys are idiots.



Step 1: Break the budget up into 40-50 bills.



Step 2: Never let the "fund Obamacare" bill see the light of day.



Step 3: When the shutdown noise ramps up, point out who voted against the other 39 bills.

270 "The House has voted to repeal Obamacare over 40 times." I would trade all 40 of those votes for one action that would actually kill Obamacare.

271 So Senate firebrands can't deliver on their big talk?  They are out all over the airwaves urging people to sign their "petitions" - which is a backdoor trick to build a mailing list for future fundraising, suckers - and have blasted the House, which happens to have passed repeal measures multiple times.

And somehow the fact they overpromised and can't back it up is the House's fault?  Boehner and Cantor are to blame for Lee and Cruz writing checks with their mouths that their butts can't cash?

272 >>Boehner and Cantor are to blame for Lee and Cruz writing checks with their mouths that their butts can't cash?<< Boehner, Cantor and Ryan are to blame for the Obama agenda getting a vote in the House at all, and to blame again for passing so much of it to this point. And they will still be at fault for their future capitulations.