January 31, 2013
— andy It's almost like the hysteria over "assault rifles" is pure political theater.
This is what a mass killer looks like, according to a Department of Homeland Security analysis. He works alone. He uses a semi-automatic handgun. He’s a he. And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military.That’s the conclusion of a November 28 analysis by the New Jersey branch of the Department of Homeland Security’s partnership with state and local law enforcement. The so-called intelligence “Fusion Center” sifted through data on 29 major mass killings in the U.S. since 1999, starting with the Littleton, Colorado school shooting. Its practical advice is to be more concerned by your co-worker with the bad hygiene who mutters about putting his “things in order” than by the war veteran in the next cubicle.
Data? That stuff's not important when you're simply using a tragedy to advance your long-stated policy goals.
The report (pdf) is worth a read to show just how little difference any of the proposals from the left would do to actually address the topic. This fact in particular just leaped off the page at me ("literally" as gun-grabbing Joe Biden might say):
Typically, the immediate deployment of law enforcement
is required to stop the shooting and mitigate further harm to victims. Typically, active shooter situations are over within 10 to 15 minutes.
Let me rephrase that for you: "Typically, victims are sitting ducks for the 10-15 minutes it takes law enforcement to arrive."
This is what happens when the government mis-focuses its crime prevention efforts on preventing law-abiding citizens from using firearms to defend themselves. When the left says, "the police are there to protect you", what it really means is, "you're expendable".
(h/t to the inimitable S. Weasel for the PhotoShop)
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He probably also is the proud possessor of his own virginity complete with pimples, a concave chest, and a 2 centimeter dick.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 06:48 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: baramandias, king of kings at January 31, 2013 06:48 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Diane Feinstein's Salt and Pepper Muffin at January 31, 2013 06:49 AM (bRW9U)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 06:50 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 10:48 AM (kXoT0)
Not to mention a full blown case of paranoid schizophrenia
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 06:50 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: jj at January 31, 2013 06:50 AM (gWO5X)
of law, of old men's writings, of countries, or of guns.
Posted by: ette at January 31, 2013 06:50 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Leftist Do-Gooders at January 31, 2013 06:51 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 06:51 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 06:51 AM (t06LC)
Yeah as if that will ever happen.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 06:51 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: redguy at January 31, 2013 06:51 AM (oKH8p)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 06:52 AM (e0xKF)
Where's that data?
Actually, can we have a press conference with clubs, rocks and fists of "steel" (AKA Assault Fists)?
Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 06:52 AM (GGCsk)
Thank God I have my 12-ga. scissors hanging off my belt at all times.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2013 06:53 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: ExurbanKevin at January 31, 2013 06:54 AM (5wJ0u)
Posted by: Some Nitwit Liberal Who Thinks Any Exception Disproves The Rule at January 31, 2013 06:54 AM (uaEZS)
Posted by: MrCaniac at January 31, 2013 06:54 AM (Zd/NW)
Wow. You learn something new every day.
Next thing you know, they'll tell us that the shooters are typically violent game/movie junkies, are not members of NRA, and often "were quiet, weird loners..."
Who knew?
Posted by: RobM1981 at January 31, 2013 06:54 AM (4WC+3)
Empirical evidence of the last few mass shootings yields that data.
Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 06:54 AM (GGCsk)
And, in the vast majority of cases, he should have been confined to a mental institution (and would have been if this was 50 years ago) rather than be let loose to roam around and act out his psychosis in public.
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 06:54 AM (RSqz2)
'Mjusane
Posted by: Him what understands 'Need-to-Know' at January 31, 2013 06:54 AM (r5hbx)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 06:56 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 31, 2013 06:56 AM (FsUAO)
So is DHS taking "returning veterans" off the "groups likely to commit domestic terrorism" list?
/rhetorical
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 06:56 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Vincent LaGuardia Gambini, Esq. at January 31, 2013 06:56 AM (e0xKF)
They want all guns. They always have.
They are liars and tricksters.
And they have not one real good argument on their side.
WE MUST FUCKING DESTROY THEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
This is the issue on which we do it. This is an issue in which traditional Dems and even flaming liberals we can strike common cause.
I believe this has been a very very bad miscalculation by these fucking idiot leftists. They have awoken the beast.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 31, 2013 06:57 AM (z3LNO)
No problem — just grab a pair of scissors and fight back!
ThatÂ’s some of the helpful advice in a new instructional video from the Department of Homeland Security that was posted on the agencyÂ’s Web site just a month after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.
Posted by: banana totting criminal at January 31, 2013 06:57 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 06:57 AM (9Bj8R)
I'm good.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (GQ8sn)
Yeah, scissors are OK so long as you don't run with them. but how do we know you won't run with them.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 06:57 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 06:57 AM (/eBe8)
Ask Australia how that worked out for them? If politicians insist on leaving citizens unprotected, what could possibly go wrong? Go to the South Side of Chicago, find the sweetest looking Granny just coming out of her AME Church in her beautiful suit and hat, then search her purse. You won't find brown recluse spiders, you will find a big honking handgun and that is presuming Granny don't blow you away for messin' with her purse. Granny does not have the gun because she wants to lug around a pound of steel and lead, Granny got da damn gun so LaVonderelle and Markwese don't try to snatch her damn purse and possibly wind up with a broken hip.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 06:57 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Linda Bobbit at January 31, 2013 06:57 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: banana totting criminal at January 31, 2013 06:58 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 31, 2013 06:58 AM (x59Gv)
I will NOT be easy prey. I especially will not be easy prey on my own property. No law will ever trump that.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2013 06:58 AM (eHIJJ)
I love the P-Shop.
Is that SanFranNan, or Sec Neopolitan as Punch?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 06:59 AM (/eBe8)
I plan to dual-wield scissors and run around like the wind!
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 06:59 AM (GQ8sn)
Add 5 or so minutes if you mention actual shots fired.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 06:59 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 31, 2013 06:59 AM (x59Gv)
Yeah.
One time, I worked a shitty phone soliciting job with a guy who was fired from the Post Office for 'behavior issues'. He liked to talk politics and was convinced WTC 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush Admin. Man, I couldn't wait to get outta that shitstorm-to-be
Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at January 31, 2013 07:00 AM (3ZtZW)
Its OK for every policeman to have access to an AR15 to defend you (when they're 15 minutes away, and are under zero legal obligation to actually do so), but its not OK for you to have the same gun to defend yourself.
Posted by: looking closely at January 31, 2013 07:00 AM (PwGfd)
Where's that data?
Actually, can we have a press conference with clubs, rocks and fists of "steel" (AKA Assault Fists)?
Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 10:52 AM (GGCsk)
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You should also include the weapons used to commit the worst mass murder in US history- a gallon of gasoline and a match:
http://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/gonzalez-julio-photos.htm
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 07:00 AM (RSqz2)
I wonder what the study cost? I could do it with an Excel spreadsheet for free.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:01 AM (kXoT0)
Part of the problem with this "debate" is the assumption by much of the population that the police are there to protect you. They are not. They are there to figure out who committed the crime and put the bad guys away after the fact. They owe no legal duty to any member of the public to "prevent" a crime. If you try to sue them, claiming they should have acted faster, used their gun for your protection, etc., you will lose based on an immunity that they have. (If they actually commit the harm on you themselves, they may be subject to suit, although it is tricky.) Usually, you will lose rather quickly at the pleadings stage. They may feel morally compelled to help you, but they are under no obligation to do so.
It seems like most people who argue for gun restrictions believe the police are there to protect you. They are not. The real person responsible for your safety is, and always has been, you.
Posted by: David in Dallas at January 31, 2013 07:01 AM (LNYzO)
Yeah, magic grits. Do you have a special kitchen or something?
Posted by: Vincent Gambini at January 31, 2013 07:02 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 31, 2013 07:02 AM (x59Gv)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:03 AM (S7Hzw)
Knock me over with a pair of scissors.
Or an assault feather.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 31, 2013 07:03 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at January 31, 2013 07:04 AM (cxssO)
Posted by: Chicago's, Detroit's and Philly's Gun Murder Rates at January 31, 2013 07:04 AM (r2PLg)
Offhand, Unruh and Whitman are the only veterans I can recall among the mass-murder-shooter crowd. For years it was claimed that Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower sniper, was motivated to shoot people because of insanity caused by a brain tumor found during his autopsy. Neurologists have since disproven that theory. Whitman, like Unruh, like the Columbine killers and most of the others, did what he did because he liked it, because he was an evil, murderous rat bastard.
In 'Othello', Shakespeare created Iago, a character who is seemingly motivated solely by the sheer joy he experiences causing death and harm to others. In other words, he's just plain evil. A bad man doing the devil's work.
Society doesn't make such men. Most of them are not suffering from mental illness. They make themselves.
Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 07:04 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Linda Bobbit at January 31, 2013 07:05 AM (9Bj8R)
I wonder how many people could be clubbed, pummeled or stabbed to death in 10-15 minutes?
Or burned to death. I'm thinking of the Brazlian dance club fire that just killed more than 200 people.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 31, 2013 07:05 AM (4df7R)
>>>>Do you mean to tell me that DHS got it all wrong when they warned us about those ex-military right wing nut job terrorists in our midst?
No no not at all. They uphold the Constitution and think Oaths matter.
Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at January 31, 2013 07:06 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at January 31, 2013 11:04 AM (cxssO)
You go, hero. Show us how it's done, Billy Badass.
Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 07:06 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 07:06 AM (UgFxe)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:07 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: The Media (D-Media) at January 31, 2013 07:07 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: dag at January 31, 2013 07:08 AM (MFuKa)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:08 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:09 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 07:09 AM (UgFxe)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 07:10 AM (fWAjv)
It bothers me because I don't want to see blood literally running in the streets, and that is what will happen if they try to confiscate our guns.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 07:10 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:10 AM (l86i3)
My wife didn't have any trouble with my XD9- though it was a little big for her hands.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 07:11 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 11:05 AM (4df7R)
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See #49.
I'm waiting for DiFi to offer legislation requiring background checks for gasoline purchases and an all-out ban on matches.
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 07:11 AM (RSqz2)
Several days ago we had a discussion about buying guns in an LLC.
I thought that was impossible, because of pistol permits etc.
Talked Larry Hyatt, Hyatt gun largest gun shop in USA, two days ago and he said he had never done it, but he would as long as I the managing partner had a permit and passed the background check.
Put your guns in a LLC. You can sell or give the stock to anyone and there will be no transfer fees, background checks etc.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 07:11 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:11 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 07:11 AM (pZDxu)
I wasn't talking about the result. I was referring to the method. It seemed so out there and now I see it creeping forward.Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:11 AM (l86i3)
"A-a-a-and speaking of semi-auto pistols- "
Sig-Sauer P238. Wife just traded her Ruger LCP for the Sig and loves it.
Posted by: jj at January 31, 2013 07:11 AM (gWO5X)
Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2013 07:12 AM (m2CN7)
Well, I am just glad they didn't say posts at AOSHQ or is an ewok.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 07:12 AM (wR+pz)
Is cute.
But it is safe to assume that the reason there's no mention of race is because white dudes are slightly underrepresented among mass shooters (if you control for "dudes").
They're also underrepresented among serial killers. But everybody knows, so.
The actual "report," by the way, is shit. It's a list of links to news articles (very unreliable sources), and the "indicators" summary is self-sourced and looks like Law & Order script tips. It's a list of outward symptoms of suicidality with the girl stuff scrubbed out and DHS's profile of a "far right" guy kludged into the gap.
Poop.
Posted by: oblig. at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (cePv8)
Oh. The method bothers me because it shows how much Democrats hate our National Sovereignty. They want us "just one among many," as they've said over and over.
They want the UN to be a World Government, not just a council of world governments.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (/eBe8)
Ahhh... but you do not understand... Facts be damned...
Somthing MUST BE DONE!
And since we are in the business of writing Laws? We'll write a LAW? Because that what we do!
Posted by: Congress at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (lZBBB)
Fear of vets has been a common gun grabber theme for a very long time in many countries.
Posted by: Burglars & Thieves local 392 at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (GlnE7)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (e0xKF)
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I'm pretty certain that the reason for the scissors advice is to slow down the victims for the convenience of the gunman.
After all, you're not supposed to run with scissors. If you've armed yourself with scissors, you can only escape at a modest mosey.
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (1c58W)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (RSqz2)
Given the cost of gasoline today, purchasing the damn stuff is getting harder and harder anyway. Gas here in central NH went from $3.38 on Monday to $3.55 this morning. I shudder to think what tomorrow will bring.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 07:13 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 07:14 AM (4c71i)
My wife didn't have any trouble with my XD9- though it was a little big for her hands.
Man, you shouldn't leave the door open like that.
Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2013 07:14 AM (M/hdI)
Sig-Sauer P238. Wife just traded her Ruger LCP for the Sig and loves it.[/i]
The P238 has a really smooth slide if that's the primary concern. If you're worried about .380 being too low powered, you could try the P938 which is the same gun, but in 9mm.
I haven't personally tried the P938.
Posted by: GMan at January 31, 2013 07:14 AM (sxq57)
Posted by: "Your" DHS at January 31, 2013 07:14 AM (FcR7P)
>>>Who hires someone let go from the freaking Post Office for 'behavior issues?'
The Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra's subscription dept, that's who. I dunno, they thought he'd be persuasive, I guess. Awesome in the Interview, maybe.
Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at January 31, 2013 07:14 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:15 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 07:15 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 07:15 AM (9Bj8R)
He was polite and courteous to the customers?
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:15 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: rickl at January 31, 2013 07:15 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: S. Weasel at January 31, 2013 07:15 AM (CrEGa)
This is what happens when the government mis-focuses its crime prevention efforts on preventing law-abiding citizens from using firearms to defend themselves.
You are being far to dishonest in your attempt to be fair. This is, always has been, and always will be, about control. The left, the STATE doesn't care about crime prevention. Hell as long as you are unarmed the more crime the better. It keeps you RELIANT on the state. This is nothing more then tyrany in slow motion, under the guise of fairness and safety.
Posted by: Dave in MA at January 31, 2013 07:15 AM (zsPnE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:16 AM (S7Hzw)
They want the UN to be a World Government, not just a council of world governments.
I thought a treaty didn't or couldn't override American law.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 07:16 AM (+z4pE)
It's not just you.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 07:16 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 07:16 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: Burglars & Thieves local 392 at January 31, 2013 07:16 AM (GlnE7)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:16 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 07:17 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:17 AM (S7Hzw)
It can't, until SCOTUS says it can because "it's a tax."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 07:17 AM (/eBe8)
>>>I appreciate your restraint.
No problemo. If you ever get the Blog up and running, a post on restraint dedicated to me will do fine.
Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2013 07:17 AM (M/hdI)
Why make an already dangerous and unpleasant situation even worse?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 07:17 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:18 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:18 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: DiFi at January 31, 2013 07:19 AM (FcR7P)
Talk about over the line. This pandering is disgusting. Wait for the announcers to mention we need gun control during the game.
The MSM is in full attack mode.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 07:19 AM (wR+pz)
I thought a treaty didn't or couldn't override American law. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM
It's all in the penumbras.
Posted by: SCOTUS at January 31, 2013 07:19 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 07:20 AM (UgFxe)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:20 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:20 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 07:20 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:20 AM (GFM2b)
Not just you. The MFM is implementing the bums' rush on gun ownership. Why reward the exploitation of the children?
Between the teams, the commercials, the hype (which I've managed to completely avoid so far), and the politics, I'm probably going to skip the Super Bowl. Perhaps the Puppy Bowl will get my undivided attention instead.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2013 07:20 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (XUKZU)
You obviously didn't watch the video carefully enough.
One of the big points was to make sure the decisions you make were the right ones while the shooting was going on.
This is why we need government advice.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 07:21 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 07:21 AM (fWAjv)
Do the performers have to go through the metal detector and get the pat down to get into the stadium, or just the ticketholders?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 07:21 AM (ZKzrr)
After all, you're not supposed to run with scissors. If you've armed yourself with scissors, you can only escape at a modest mosey.
Does that mean that I'm safe in a sewing shop? Those pinking shears look really scary.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 07:21 AM (+z4pE)
There has never been a class of veterans more mistreated than Viet Nam vets and they did not riot across the landscape killing and burning things to assuage their angst. That was the peaceniks--see Ayers and Dorn, et al. Those vets took this country's maltreatment and what happened to the killing and burning peaceniks--they wound up as Professors and in other elite positions.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:21 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:21 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: jwest at January 31, 2013 07:23 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 31, 2013 07:23 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 07:23 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:23 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:24 AM (l86i3)
Heh.
Let's see. Their friends and prinicpal got killed, so they got to meet the president, go on TV, and now get a free trip to the Super Bowl.
Kinda feels like they're grooming psychopaths. Munchausen Syndrome, at least.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 07:24 AM (ZKzrr)
I guess all that laser-like focus he had on jobs completely burn it out.
And of course he is, it served it's purpose: It wasn't about jobs, it was about political theater.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 31, 2013 07:24 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: rickl at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (zoehZ)
Yeah.... thats it.... uh.... Stitch in Time... beats a 9.... mm that is..... yeah....
Thats the ticket.... and uh.... I've got rich friends too.... and South American whores... whom I've slept with....
Posted by: DHS Lobbyist Ad Writer at January 31, 2013 07:24 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:24 AM (GFM2b)
He will still be confirmed. After all, gentlemen know that the President is allowed to select his Cabinet....confirmation hearings are a mere bagatelle.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:24 AM (kXoT0)
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I'm pretty sure that use of pinking shears would be a war crime. They really should be called assault pinks.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 07:24 AM (XUKZU)
When I took my girlfriend to pick out her first handgun, she chose a Baretta Bobcat. I personally don't like the anemic .25 ACP caliber she likes so much, but one of the big advantages to that model is that it has a popup barrel feature that allows the shooter to put the pistol into battery without racking the slide. The dealer, a friend of mine, told me that it was designed specifically for those, such as the elderly and small-framed people, who have difficulty with slides. Again, aside from the weakness its pocket pistol caliber, her Baretta is a sweet, accurate little piece. She's frigging Annie Oakley with that gun.
Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 07:25 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:25 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: pep at January 31, 2013 07:26 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: JW Booth at January 31, 2013 07:26 AM (e0xKF)
Almost??? It always has been pure political kabuki. They know none of this has any chance of passing, and any Dem in a real district knows it is poison.
That is why the only people talking about it are in CA and NY. A place where a Republican is either a D with and R after his name or non-existent.
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 07:26 AM (53z96)
Pinking shears don't cut flesh half as well as a regular serrated shears. Usually have a rounded point, besides.
Now the rotary cutter...people have done severe damage with that. To the point they sell Kevlar gloves to lessen the odds of cutting into your opposite-hand thumb and doing permanent damage to tissues and nerves.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 07:26 AM (ZKzrr)
By whom? The political class? Not bloody likely. By average Americans? Some. There are more than a few who don't understand why we think it's a big deal, though.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 07:26 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:27 AM (l86i3)
Kinda feels like they're grooming psychopaths. Munchausen Syndrome, at least.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (ZKzrr)
Yeah.... but this is a blatant 'tug' at the heart strings for Gun Control.... even brining this INTO the NFL at all....
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 07:27 AM (lZBBB)
Pinking shears, pah, grab one of the Olfa rotary cutters, those things are wicked...
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:28 AM (kXoT0)
I always recommend revolvers in these situation where someone does not have the strength or motor skills to pull the slide back. Pop open the cylinder, load your rounds, push it back in, and you're set.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:28 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:29 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 07:29 AM (6H6FZ)
Read your constitution. Treaties immediately upon Senate ratification supersede US Law.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 07:30 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:30 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: ette at January 31, 2013 07:30 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (/eBe
Which sucks more since the majority of those governments are not freedom loving, as the US and western nations getting their ass handed to them on the recent vote on internet freedom. Freedom lost.
Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 07:30 AM (OQpzc)
Yep, but I was thinking more the average PFC or Corporal. Jobless, depressed, skills that don't always transfer well to the private sector. I think they are mostly great kids. But I also see an undercurrent of disatisfaction.
I told me stepson who's at bootcamp now to make sure he selects an MOS with a real-world skill. He wants to go to the vehicle school where he'll learn all about maintenance and repair work. After he gets out, he'll be able to take that skill anywhere he goes.
When the Burn comes, people like him will be more valuable than gold.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:31 AM (GQ8sn)
Lying about some French sport involving bicycles that nobody gives a half a rodent's rear end about is bad. Very, very bad.
Lying about the economy, the deficit, the unemployment, gun violence, or any other proggie program is good in order to create the socialist utopia is good.. Very, very good.
So I guess the issue is whether the lie concerns progs or frogs as to whether it is bad to lie about it.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 07:31 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: JW Booth at January 31, 2013 07:31 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 07:31 AM (fWAjv)
Lani Hays is another bi-national. Donates exclusively to Democrats and TFG. Her company only exists because of government contracts. And in the January 2013 issue of Elle she talks of running for President. She trades on her few years in service as a photo intelligence interpreter in Bahrain as military creds while saying Iraq never had chemical weapons.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:31 AM (S7Hzw)
Revolvers are much quicker on presentation than semis. For the person that never expects to actually use the weapon they are the better choice.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 07:31 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 07:32 AM (XUKZU)
O/T: In case this hasn't been posted yet:
A United States minesweeper ship that crashed into a coral reef due to inaccurate Navy maps will have to be cut into small pieces and removed in order to prevent harming the oceanÂ’s ecosystem, according to the Navy and other reports.
The $277 million USS Guardian, a Naval warship that clears waterways of mines, crashed into a coral reef near the Philippines earlier this month.
The Navy will disassemble it piece by piece in order to avoid damaging the reef rather than tow the multi-million dollar ship off of the reef and perform necessary repairs.
Coral reef trumps $277M naval warship. Good to know. Link to Washington Free Beacon
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 31, 2013 07:33 AM (NF2Bf)
Hey, Cheaper than Dirt, watch and learn.
Funny vid. To be fair, LG doesn't sell firearms so they really can't be compared to what CTD did.
But when you compare the ammo prices for the same item, LG has CTD beat by a mile.
One box of 20 rounds of .223 ammo is $34.50 on CTD.
One box of 20 rounds of .223 ammo is $22 on LG.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:34 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Joe Mama at January 31, 2013 07:34 AM (P4cxa)
Posted by: jakeman at January 31, 2013 07:34 AM (LsDL3)
No, the police are not there to protect me.
They may well be on their way to come and protect me, but they are not there yet.
Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at January 31, 2013 07:34 AM (ze9yk)
When the Burn comes, people like him will be more valuable than gold.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)
My son elected to go that route (USMC).
He's been in 12 years now, but the full twenty gets to be a more elusive goal with each military cut.
On the upside, he's had several private opportunities --
On the downside, he lives in California.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 07:34 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2013 07:34 AM (NbDBg)
Posted by: SarahW at January 31, 2013 07:35 AM (LYwCh)
No one needs a rotary blade bigger than 22mm!
The first rule of the quilting society is: You don't talk about the quilting society.
http://is.gd/o1G2os
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 07:35 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 07:35 AM (piMMO)
Mine too! He'll graduate next month.
He's doing the rifle qualification this week.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:36 AM (GQ8sn)
http://is.gd/0129qX
Illegal for self defense in most blue States
http://is.gd/uR2aGP
What the second amendment allows
http://is.gd/zwXDG4
How do we know? Because some of the founders actually owned something similar.
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 07:36 AM (53z96)
They're not defending you, they're defending themselves and trying to get the bad guy. If you don't die that's a bonus.
Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 31, 2013 07:36 AM (ZWvOb)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:36 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:36 AM (S7Hzw)
http://tinyurl.com/atzaefb
Posted by: real joe at January 31, 2013 07:36 AM (un/bd)
Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2013 07:37 AM (NbDBg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (9Bj8R)
It's glorification of a tragedy. I appreciate what the NFL is trying to do, but there's no reason for it. If, say, the Giants were playing I might not mind, since the Giants are ostensibly the team for that region of Connecticut. But as it stands, this is just turning the tragedy into a paparazzi tour. It's disgusting, IMO. Those children should be allowed to get back to something normal instead of having the reality of what happened thrown in their face every five minutes.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 31, 2013 07:37 AM (4df7R)
The police have no resposability to protect you.
The courts have decided that you have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime! Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations! To be fair to the police, I think that many, and perhaps most, officers really do want to save lives and stop dangerous situations before people get hurt. But the key point to remember is that the courts have said they are under no legal obligation to do so.
Posted by: RiverRat at January 31, 2013 07:38 AM (vP2aX)
When the Burn comes, people like him will be more valuable than gold.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)
My son chose Infantry 11B, as I did at his age. No translatable civilian skills, but screw it. If he wants to be a mechanic, he can learn how to be a mechanic when he gets out.
Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 07:38 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:38 AM (GFM2b)
I will be hunting the scissors in the junk drawer down, of course they will be mixed in with twine , wire, and assorted junk so might take more than a few seconds.
Unless i decide to have a special protective place for them as they are considered weapon of choice by the DHS.
will we then be made to register our scissors , knives, heavy lamps or assorted iron ornaments?
n fact i just read where fists were used to beat a man down, and a Speaker was then used to finish the job.
rip man.
now for your old box speakers?
Posted by: ette at January 31, 2013 07:39 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 07:40 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:40 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 07:40 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (GQ8sn)
Mine went Navy Electronics Tech... but after 3 years he already knows he's out after his first enlistment...
He made a big mistake... and was competent at his job... so he's busy pulling the load for all the others busy doing Extra Qual's and Off duty Education... which is what you need to get promoted...
Thus... because he is the best at his actual job (says so right in his evalutation)... he won't get promoted...
/facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 07:40 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (0q2P7)
Bullshit. Any treaty must conform to the Constitution. The Court once ruled that with the Migratory Bird treaty but it was quickly reversed shortly after.
The court has ruled many times that all treaties must conform to the Constitution.
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 07:41 AM (53z96)
Never has worked, never will work--no matter how many times it's shown successful in movies and TV.
And I agree.
I mean, there are millions and millions of variables that go into when, how, and who commits a crime.
To pretend such is possible to predict makes the global warming graphs look perfect.
And never mind the post-action selection bias of the "profiler." They're getting paid to peddle bullshit you can damned well be sure they're going to find facts to support their bullshit.
You know, kinda almost exactly like horoscope writers and palm readers.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 31, 2013 07:41 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:41 AM (GFM2b)
There are holes in the hull now so even if they pulled her off she would immediately sink.
Well of course if there are no other options you do what you have to do.
But these days, it would not surprise me in the slightest that Mother Gaia would take precedence, no matter what.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 31, 2013 07:42 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 31, 2013 07:42 AM (pzZth)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 07:42 AM (wOIt+)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 07:42 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 07:42 AM (fWAjv)
A friend of mine was also infantry in the army. Did his time in Iraq, and saw real combat during W's tenure. He got out and started working for Triple Canopy, doing the "private contractor" stuff. OMG, he made money like you wouldn't believe doing the same stuff he used to in the army. Now he's traveling the world or something.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:42 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:43 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 07:43 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: RiverRat at January 31, 2013 11:38 AM (vP2aX)
Yeah.... I always find it interesting that the Gun Laws in cities like Chicago or New York, do not affect OFF DUTY Cops....
Creating a citizen who has MORE rights, by virtue of their JOB.....
Police need to forced to follow the same laws as the rest of the citizenry, or we do NOT have Equal Application of the Law...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 07:43 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 07:43 AM (piMMO)
Glad I picked up a whole pile of 30 round mags for my Commie rifle a while ago. Prices are crazy.
Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 31, 2013 07:43 AM (ZWvOb)
Posted by: Ma Bell at January 31, 2013 07:44 AM (uVuwp)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 07:44 AM (jwumz)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (lZBBB)
Could be worse.
I got out in '72 because I was trained in aircraft radar repair, and spent 3+ years as a plane captain.
Then, when I did get to the AQ shop, it was run by a bean counter who wouldn't buy parts.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 07:44 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 07:45 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 07:46 AM (fWAjv)
/facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (lZBBB)
Military creases and always be seen carrying a clipboard. That is how officers know you are super good at the job.
Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 07:47 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 07:47 AM (fWAjv)
Several days ago we had a discussion about buying guns in an LLC.
I thought that was impossible, because of pistol permits etc.
Talked Larry Hyatt, Hyatt gun largest gun shop in USA, two days ago and he said he had never done it, but he would as long as I the managing partner had a permit and passed the background check.
Put your guns in a LLC. You can sell or give the stock to anyone and there will be no transfer fees, background checks etc.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (wR+pz)
You're welcome.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 07:47 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:47 AM (e0xKF)
***
I miss th4e days when we could call the other countries whatever we damn well pleased and they had to take it.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 07:47 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:48 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (Qxe/p)
I'm actualy Ret. Navy Electronic Tech meself.... but as bad as it was when I was in.... its on steroids now apparently....
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 07:48 AM (lZBBB)
And? I'm sure gun confiscation will just be a tax on firearms owners, payable in firearms only.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 07:48 AM (0q2P7)
Murrah Building, OKC: fertilizer
WTC, NYC: planes
The Entire ME: Cellphones
They want the guns because anyone with a few hundred dollars can defend themselves. Saddam Hussein did not stay in power because he was beloved, he stayed in power because he owned the guns and the people shooting the guns and had no compunction about using them.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:49 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:49 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2013 07:49 AM (74T7W)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:49 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 11:43 AM (6H6FZ)
Excellent point.
I've been reading articles about how people own "larger" caliber stuff, but practice with a .22 (cost, primarily)
That doesn't sound right to me. It seems like you should "dance with what you bought", because it will behave differently.
Moron opinions on this appreciated. You can also call me a racist or accuse me of being homophobic, too.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 07:50 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (0q2P7)
Bullshit. Any treaty must conform to the Constitution. The Court once ruled that with the Migratory Bird treaty but it was quickly reversed shortly after.
The court has ruled many times that all treaties must conform to the Constitution.
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 11:41 AM (53z96)
Treaties have the effect of regular laws. They still must be constitutional. Vic is correct.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 07:50 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:50 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 07:50 AM (piMMO)
Anecdote noted. Question considered. Answer affirmative.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 07:51 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Ma Bell at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (uVuwp)
We love them too. As well as all the other youngsters still willing to defend this great nation.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 07:51 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 07:51 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:51 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 07:51 AM (jwumz)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:51 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 07:52 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 07:53 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:54 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (e0xKF)
Scarier is the Precedent....
The Push is on to allow a Doctor, without any Court action, to decide you cannot excercise a RIGHT...
Next will be a 'data field' on your medical record, where the Doctor indicates via a check box whether its OK for you to buy, or OWN, a weapon... it will be done by Executive Order, and that info will be 'shared' to the Background check folks....
ie.... a Doctor will have VETO power over your RIGHT!
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 07:54 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:54 AM (l86i3)
Hahaha! Raylan's only flaw was succumbing to power of pussy! How many of us morons would challenge that eternal truth?
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:54 AM (GQ8sn)
We lose when it becomes a "personal defense" issue or a "hunter - sportsman"
issue. The right to bear arms is there for one reason - to shoot the fuckers that would take it away.
END OF STORY.. We should not let the left bend the dialog.
Posted by: catman at January 31, 2013 07:55 AM (NYdB8)
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 31, 2013 07:55 AM (NmR1a)
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (Qxe/p)
Buying my girlfriend a .357 S&W Ladysmith for her birthday in Febuary. One can use .38 Special in a .357, but most of the focus in familiarization will be done using .357, as expensive as it is, for the reason you gave. A comparatively short-barreled revolver like the Ladysmith will 'behave' far more differently shooting .357 than it will shooting .38 Special. She needs to know how to handle and shoot the caliber she'll be carrying.
Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 07:55 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 07:55 AM (GFM2b)
Non-withstanding Roberts what calls everything a tax...
Keep in mind that NY Mass and California have a myriad of gun laws that you likely do not have. All of them could be imposed nationwide by treaty.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 07:55 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 07:56 AM (l86i3)
Daily Caller has the self-shot mirror pics of the world's greatest high school math teacher. Some of them are NSFW.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 07:56 AM (GQ8sn)
Even if you could, a lawsuit won't bring you back from the dead.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 07:56 AM (ZKzrr)
Here's praying all morons are safely tucked away somewhere and not stuck in the middle of it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (piMMO)
Geez. The story I jsut read says one of the fatalities involved a car where the back end folded forward OVER the front end.
How fast were these people going in white out conditions?
God. I hope everyone else involved is well and able to get in touch with loved ones.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 31, 2013 07:57 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 07:58 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: jwb7605
Must be nice to be rich.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 31, 2013 07:58 AM (xz0nG)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:52 AM (piMMO)
I taught my kids on a .22.... so they got good sight picture habits... stance... trigger pull...
Less boom made them want to shoot more initialy... and with the cheaper ammo made it so they shot more rounds more often...
But I did then transition them up to my .45 and had them do enough rounds to get proficient with it...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 07:59 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 07:59 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 07:59 AM (jwumz)
Speaking of, I made jello salad last night. With celery and walnuts.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 07:59 AM (ZKzrr)
issue. The right to bear arms is there for one reason - to shoot the fuckers that would take it away.
>>>END OF STORY.. We should not let the left bend the dialog.
There does need to be a better defense than "It's in the Constitution" otherwise one day it won't be. So it isn't the "end of story"
The answer to the attacks from the left are simple. Democracy by itself is not adequate protection against tyranny. There are a number of good historical examples, find and understand your own.
If they argue that the citizenry would not stand a chance against a tyrannical government (e.g. It's pointless) the easy retort is, "If that's true the Citizens need to be better armed"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 08:00 AM (0q2P7)
But it met the CAFE standards, and that's what's important here.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 08:00 AM (ZKzrr)
I am not a beer. I do not go down smooth and easy.
Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at January 31, 2013 08:01 AM (ze9yk)
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (Qxe/p)
Anecdote of the Obamony. I saw a guy on a street corner holding a sign saying that you could yell at him and call him names for a buck.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 08:01 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 31, 2013 11:58 AM (xz0nG)
You're probably right about that!
One of the reasons I haven't practiced with the .44 Magnum I tragically lost in a boating accident several years ago.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 08:01 AM (Qxe/p)
a car wherethe back end folded forward OVER the front end.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:00 PM (ZKzrr)
It definitely couldn't have been a solid car like they USED to build in Detroit.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 31, 2013 08:01 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 08:01 AM (jwumz)
Posted by: JEF Of Borg at January 31, 2013 08:01 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:54 AM (l86i3)
Yeah.... but then there was Thailand.... Phuket to be precise.... or Fuckit as we called it...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 08:01 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 31, 2013 08:02 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (jwumz)
That guy is one of those actors who's in everything, but no one knows his name. He's a perfect, "Hey, it's that guy!" guy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 31, 2013 08:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 08:03 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:03 AM (l86i3)
Maybe, but practicing with a .22 hones basic shooting skills. If you can't hit anything with a .22, you're not going to hit anything with a .40, either.
If you're good with a .22, chances are you'll be at least adequate with the .40. But yeah- it'll take practice with the .40 to be good with it.
From what I understand (and have experienced while hunting), in an intense shooting situation you don't notice the recoil and report like you do at the range. If I try to shoot my 7mm Mag with no hearing protection at an outdoor range, it's painfully loud. When I'm shooting at a deer, I'm aware that the rifle fired, but barely hear or feel it.
IIRC the phenomenon is known as "auditory exclusion".
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 08:03 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2013 08:03 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:03 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 12:00 PM (0q2P7)
And when my Mom asked 'why would anyone need a 30 round clip?" (she's a saftey first type voter...)...
I answered... "because the Average Home invasion is done by FOUR people, and sometimes, I MISS..."
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 08:04 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:04 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 08:04 AM (53z96)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:04 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 08:05 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:05 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)
That is possibly the scariest thing I've read all day.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 31, 2013 08:05 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:06 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 08:06 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: 11B40 at January 31, 2013 08:06 AM (ABiJt)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at January 31, 2013 08:07 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 08:08 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:08 AM (piMMO)
Best birthday of my life, I turned 23 in Pattaya Beach. Former EW here, originally enlisted to be an AT, but my DEP wait was going to be 11 months, so I badgered my recruiter into finding me something that shipped earlier.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 31, 2013 08:09 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 08:09 AM (9Bj8R)
For those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with you guys.
Posted by: Def Leppard Drummer Rick Allen at January 31, 2013 08:09 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:10 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 08:10 AM (wOIt+)
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Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Posted by: JEF Of Borg
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Ever notice how much propaganda FOR becoming Borg is broadcast? Aside from the latest electronic device advertisement, the thrust of modern medicine is to replace as many body parts as possible with mechanical fabrications for the biggest profits, whether or not a wise decision made by patients who "feel" they "deserve" whatever, deserve having nothing to do with propaganda beyond the manner of manipulation.
Posted by: panzernashorn at January 31, 2013 08:11 AM (MhA4j)
Lets post again, shall we?
You know, that info would've been helpful last night when I was dealing with the idiots.
For those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with you guys.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 08:11 AM (da5Wo)
That would only be true in cases where law enforcement decided to enter the building.
Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 31, 2013 08:11 AM (BDetS)
Yeah. I've jacked in a new round without even remembering cycling the action.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 08:12 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:12 AM (GFM2b)
For those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with you guys.
Posted by: Def Leppard Drummer Rick Allen at January 31, 2013 12:09 PM (da5Wo)
BCochran, you cannot hide from me! I know that has anywhere.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 08:12 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (SY2Kh)
The book On Killing, goes into that in depth. The brain is weird.
Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 08:12 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 08:12 AM (9Bj8R)
I was reposting the comments back and forth on the ONT and the thread right before it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 08:12 AM (da5Wo)
For
those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were
awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with
you guys.
Posted by: Def Leppard Drummer Rick Allen at January 31, 2013 12:09 PM (da5Wo)
BCochran, you cannot hide from me! I know that has anywhere.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)
And how's the new album coming along?
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 08:12 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 08:13 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 08:13 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)
LMAO. Damn sock was still on the work computer from yesterday.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 08:14 AM (da5Wo)
Yea, something about having other people shoot back at you with intent, that give you a lot of respect for guns and their use.
Posted by: Paladin at January 31, 2013 08:14 AM (LtaK3)
Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2013 08:14 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 08:14 AM (wOIt+)
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"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- Sec/State Hillary Clinton.
"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- POTUS B.H.Obama
What difference does anything make?
Only is everything is the same in conformity.
Posted by: panzernashorn at January 31, 2013 08:14 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 31, 2013 12:11 PM (BDetS)
Don't be the victim of a riot in Austin. The police will not enter the area until it has died down.
Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 08:16 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:16 AM (GFM2b)
That doesn't sound right to me. It seems like you should "dance with what you bought", because it will behave differently."
You can start a beginner off with a .22 revolver and move quickly to a .38/.357 with light target loads. Too long with a .22 or switching from a .22 auto to a larger caliber revolver doesn't work as well. If all you have is a large caliber revolver start them off on that with light loads. Hearing protection is a must. The noise scares beginners more than recoil will.
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 08:16 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:14 PM (wOIt+)
Yes! Finally -- no werewolves or vampires!
Syfy reruns it about 4 times a week.
It shows "promise", and could easily start going where "Person Of Interest" started out.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 08:16 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:16 AM (piMMO)
I miss the Great Jello Riots of 2012.
I still have some Assault Muffins left over from that.
In the freezer.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 08:17 AM (+z4pE)
Anecdote? I do not think it means what you think it means. Or perhaps this is not the hill to die on.
Posted by: pep at January 31, 2013 08:17 AM (YXmuI)
Well I'm not a "good" Lutheran; they told me I'm going to Hell because I didn't get married and have children.
But I like coffee and sweet rolls.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 08:18 AM (ZKzrr)
Want to read something great on this subject? Check out this letter from the Colorado County Sherrifs. Link squashers never seem to work, so I'll break up the link:
www.csoc .org/ ppdocs/ Gun Control Legislation .pdf
Take out the spaces and love this...
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:18 AM (1Y+hH)
I seem to have a knack for taking a break when the action goes down.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:16 PM (piMMO)
Haha. Its at the end of the thread before the ONT and then carries over onto the ONT.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 08:18 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 08:19 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:20 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 08:20 AM (4c71i)
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"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- Sec/State Hillary Clinton.
"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- POTUS B.H.Obama
***
It's a growth industry.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 08:20 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Paladin at January 31, 2013 08:21 AM (LtaK3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:21 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 08:22 AM (wOIt+)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:20 PM (4c71i)
Maybe you could give it more than day...
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:22 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Paladin at January 31, 2013 12:21 PM (LtaK3)
Don't forget the preparatory bombardment with staplers and the like.
Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 08:22 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (7xPCu)
What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide?
The Sig Sauer Mosquito is really easy.
The Kahr P380 is ok once it has been broken in.
Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (BDetS)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (jwumz)
True. But that doesn't mean that shooting the .22 is not beneficial.
2 things.
1. Shooting a high powered rifle like a 7mm Rem Mag or 30-06 is going to wear down your shoulder quickly. Two boxes of shells in you are likely done for the day.
2. After two boxes of shells you could take your family to dinner...at a nice place.
The shooters discipline is *part* familiarity with your weapon, and part repetition of your shooting routine. To get good at the repetition part you need to shoot thousands of rounds. Doing that on your high powered rifle would wear out the barrel rendering the gun useless, destroy your shoulder, and cost you a mint. So most shooters do routine repetition practice with a .22 and do confidence shooting with their big guns only occasionally.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:20 PM (4c71i)
you.have.no.idea
Posted by: Hillary Rodham at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Jimmy Buffett at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: jeanne at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (GdalM)
What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide?
You know I haven't had enough coffee when I read that as "wife that has an easy sliding rack."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 31, 2013 08:23 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at January 31, 2013 08:24 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: Michael Moore at January 31, 2013 08:24 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:25 AM (l86i3)
A lot of words, the bottom line is Feinstein and her ilk are just evil. They don't care about safety and they aren't putting on a show to pander to constituents even dumber than they are. It's not about the show. They truly just want to do this for sake of pure power.
Even if they aren't secretly planning some Stalinist-style police state, the fact that we have guns is psychological... to them, and to us. A person who is truly helpless will have more fear and in that fear they will act differently. They want conservatives to toe the line. They want them to fear the government.
Feinstein isn't smart enough to have a secret agenda. Her agenda is clear, bow down and kiss her ring.
Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 08:25 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 08:25 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2013 08:25 AM (7xPCu)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 31, 2013 08:26 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 08:27 AM (wOIt+)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (0q2P7)
That does make sense.
I used to work for the company that made the laser "bullet" that another company called FireArms Training used to train Olympic shooters.
Are there such things in the "private" world as far as shooting ranges go? It seems to me like that would be productive and useful.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 08:27 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2013 08:27 AM (7xPCu)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 08:28 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 31, 2013 08:28 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 08:28 AM (4c71i)
But I tried to watch more of it. One future cop gets sucked back in time with the freedom fighters. She is wearing a smart suit and has cortex installed smart chips and video contacts. And suddenly she is talking with someone in this timeline. Geeky kid with a hidden room in the family barn. But he is somehow receiving and transmitting data with the cop though he says his gear is experimental and encrypted. And when you meet the geeky kid's family, they are rural and complaining about how corporate fat cats get saved while if it was them, they would be screwed. Next issue is then future cop easily manages to sweet talk the local cops into talking with DHS to create a strike force to hunt her fugitives.
Sorry its all rubbish to me this show.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 08:28 AM (S7Hzw)
We can fix that. We can ban parents.
In fact, I've been working on that particular issue my whole life.
It takes a village, you know.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 31, 2013 08:29 AM (sbV1u)
337 Watched the first one and it started out like a bunch of Occupooper propaganda, but then it got better.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Liber8 neo-Occupoopers stay the bad guys.
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Here's the thing...the Liber8 group, was against the tyrranical government in the future.
They weren't calling for government goodies, like the Occupoopers.
They were calling for their Rights and Freedoms to be restored.
The lady cop was called a 'Protector' in the future.
Which seemed like an Orwellian re-naming of law enforcement.
Three episodes so far...I'm not sure yet, where this storyline is going.
But it's kind of interesting so far.
Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 08:29 AM (BZMZX)
http://tinyurl.com/aokfl3e
Actually, I agree with them. They should correctly portray them as Jihadists.
They should be thankful there wasn't a UBL lookalike available.
Personally, I think they should completely replace the Arab with a Zulu warrior. That works better for me anyway.
Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 08:29 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:30 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 08:30 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:30 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:31 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:32 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (4c71i)
OK, don't give it more than a day, I don't care. I haven't even been there.
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:32 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 31, 2013 08:32 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Feminist at January 31, 2013 08:32 AM (XvHmy)
Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 08:33 AM (FcR7P)
But it's kind of interesting so far.
Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 12:29 PM (BZMZX)
What caught my attention was how the premise forced you to look at things resulting from "the opposite extreme perspective" 65 years from now.
All things (including Libertarianism) don't end well unrestrained.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 08:33 AM (Qxe/p)
"The left wants more mass shootings so they can continue to pass more legislation to "save" everyone. Doing anything to actually allieviate the problem like security on site, or arming ofstaff is a non-starter as that would ruin then entire plan."
And this is where they reveal themselves. Being against armed security is absurd. They can't defend this. An armed guard at a school is no different than an armed guard anywhere else.
Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 08:33 AM (HS3dy)
***
She's so corrupt even Bob Menendez wouldn't boink her. Also too old.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 08:33 AM (XUKZU)
The left wants more mass shootings so they can continue to pass more legislation to "save" everyone. Doing anything to actually allieviate the problem like security on site, or arming ofstaff is a non-starter as that would ruin then entire plan.
Actually solving the problem is NOT their goal.
Some other Moron mentioned the other day that that's why criminals are let out of prison as often as they are, to keep us good folk scared and dependent upon "authority" for "protection." I'm starting to think that's just about right.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 08:34 AM (+z4pE)
http://youtu.be/GT_s_6F5hCc
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 08:35 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Infidel at January 31, 2013 08:35 AM (O/fK8)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:32 PM (piMMO)
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Indeed. They have to get past that whole beard-shaving thing. First things first.
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:35 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 08:35 AM (4c71i)
Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 31, 2013 08:36 AM (X6akg)
And this is where they reveal themselves. Being against armed security is absurd. They can't defend this. An armed guard at a school is no different than an armed guard anywhere else.
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The last thing they want is children getting familiar with seeing guns around.
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:36 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:37 AM (piMMO)
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I suppose the Dallas 1963 assassination provides such a case in point. But not so more recently, where no bodies were recovered from the IRS leased property incident where the Feds and police coincidentally were in drill, and then the horror of the H.C.Library UT student where witness testimonies were no longer broadcast and held as evidence after the official account hit the media and public. How did Austin Police full force storm the library within 2 minutes of an alarm call, long before the campus police arrived? The alarm would have been directed to campus police, one block uphill, then to the City of Austin Police Dept. I'm not arguing that campus police are as "professional" as might be desired, but fully capable of responding, ARRIVING at the sight, even if only to stand around and await backup from the City of Austin. Hm, "police" more broadly being identified as "law enforcement" now is including the Feds AND the US Military against the citizenry as the unconstitutional DHS and Executive Branch coupled with the whoring Judicial and incestuous Legislative have determined to be "best" for authoritarianism, no thank you.
And the circle returns to the Constitution, specifically our Bill of Rights as US citizens. Hell, now citizenry "means" serfdom according to authoritarians.
Posted by: panzernashorn at January 31, 2013 08:37 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 08:37 AM (OlN4e)
362...Sorry its all rubbish to me this show.
Pro-government propaganda?
Could be, Anna.
It seems to be laying down the storyline of 'how tyrrany starts'.
So that is the interesting part for me, so far.
Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 08:37 AM (BZMZX)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 08:37 AM (wOIt+)
Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2013 12:36 PM (X6akg)
Does this mean he'll only get 80 votes to confirm?
*rubs hands in glee*
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:38 AM (1Y+hH)
Maybe CAC can chime in on that one.
BTW, I was talking with my financial dude yesterday for all the scary shit (like how the fed is laundering money etc.) and he mentioned that he had thought the U.S. National Debt Clock was broken. Why?
Because in DECEMBER it was 16,000,XXX,XXX,XXX,XXX. Now it's 16,492,5XX,XXX,XXX.
So, it's gone up almost half a trillion in 2 months?
Holy Fucking Jeebus.
And we don't have a spending problem?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 31, 2013 08:39 AM (Qxdfp)
"Some other Moron mentioned the other day that that's why criminals are let out of prison as often as they are, to keep us good folk scared and dependent upon "authority" for "protection." I'm starting to think that's just about right."
Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it. One of the biggest lobbies against the NRA and gun rights is who? Police unions. No no, you can't defend yourself, that's OUR job. A lot of great law enforcement that gets it, especially in the rural areas, but they are outnumbered.
I would also point out the drug war. I've never smoked weed in my whole life, but I find this effort ridiculous. Over half of our entire law enforcement system (police, courts, corrections, everything) is tied up in this. Last year over half of all criminal arrests were for marijuana possession. It's asinine. Those are resources that could be reallocated to REAL criminals.
Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 08:39 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:39 AM (piMMO)
Yesterday, I did some electrical work for my neighbor. She's very liberal, and opposes armed teachers under any circumstances.
I asked her "If you're not comfortable with teachers protecting your children, why would you be comfortable with letting them train and educate them?".
No reply, but it looked like she'd never considered that angle.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 08:40 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 08:40 AM (wOIt+)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 08:42 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 31, 2013 08:42 AM (l86i3)
375...What caught my attention was how the premise forced you to look at things resulting from "the opposite extreme perspective" 65 years from now.
All things (including Libertarianism) don't end well unrestrained.
Yeah.
And what happened to the 'main guy' that was in the Liber8 group?
The older guy, who was their leader...and was in the group that set off the time-travel-bomb.
He didn't show up with them, in the current time period.
At least, not yet.
I think it's closer to 80 years, isn't it? ...Seventy-something years in the future?
Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 08:43 AM (BZMZX)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 08:43 AM (wOIt+)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:43 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:43 AM (l86i3)
What, is Rush all butt-hurt over Marco Polio's proposals?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 31, 2013 08:44 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Mr. Hand at January 31, 2013 08:44 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:44 AM (l86i3)
Last year over half of all criminal arrests were for marijuana possession. It's asinine.
Well, stoners are a lot easier to catch. But, as far as their true negative impact on society versus the criminally aggressive, they're pretty far down on the list of danger.
Which circles back around to my premise that politicians don't really want a problem solved. ANY problem.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 08:44 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 08:44 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 08:44 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Barky O at January 31, 2013 08:45 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)
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Just think, if kids had people with guns around protecting students, pretty soon the students would think of guns for protection as normal and good.
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Can't have that.
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:45 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Roland THTG at January 31, 2013 08:45 AM (QM5S2)
Posted by: ButtNutt at January 31, 2013 08:46 AM (FYvb/)
Posted by: navybrat at January 31, 2013 08:46 AM (UdhwR)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 08:46 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 08:46 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:46 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:47 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:33 PM (HS3dy)
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Well..... under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will a firearm be allowed to be perceived as a positive thing to children.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2013 08:47 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 08:47 AM (r2PLg)
Last year over half of all criminal arrests were for marijuana possession. It's asinine.
Colorado cops are going to have a lot of extra time for crime fighting on their hands....
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:47 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:47 AM (piMMO)
He had Rubio on as a rare guest yesterday timed with Rubio's pro-amnesty stance statements.
Rush is insisting he has not changed his view on assimilation as a requirement for amnesty.
She-yeah. That'll happen.
Posted by: Mr. Hand at January 31, 2013 08:48 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:48 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 08:49 AM (9Bj8R)
Yeah as if that will ever happen.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 10:51 AM (S7Hzw)
There will have to be sacrifices, you will need a volunteer to "occupy" the gunman's attention long enough to stab him with the scissors. Perhaps drawing lots will be the best way to figure out who'll be the "occupier". Oh and no guarantee that you both want be shot dead, of course. But, if only one child is saved, it will all be worth it.
I don't have to worry, seeing as I have all the protection I need. 'Cuz, I am the President after all.
Posted by: barack obama as Augustus at January 31, 2013 08:50 AM (4eNxd)
Time to go tackle the snow removal here at Meremortal Manor. Got whacked last night, and it drifted. The back will be tested today.
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:50 AM (1Y+hH)
So, it's gone up almost half a trillion in 2 months?
Holy Fucking Jeebus.
***
We all tend to spend a little more over Christmas. And Kwanza.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 08:50 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 08:50 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: HeatherRadish, fashioning a shiv from a spork w/ the breakroom toaster at January 31, 2013 08:51 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (HS3dy)
I think we are on the same page 
Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 08:51 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 08:52 AM (e0xKF)
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I find that extremely difficult to believe. It may possibly be that more than half the arrestees are also charged with a MJ violation in addition to their other crimes but even that seems awfully high to me.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 08:52 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: pforeman at January 31, 2013 08:52 AM (VugVU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:53 AM (GFM2b)
389...I'm guessing the ironic twist will be that his step-family is the future Liber8 or something.
Yep, votermom...it looks like that's where they're going with that.
The kid, becomes this big-government-supporting tech tycoon in the future, providing the technology that the government uses to control the population.
He becomes...what the Liber8 group is fighting against.
Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 08:53 AM (BZMZX)
Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 08:53 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 08:53 AM (e0xKF)
I thought Chicago refused to allow WalMart inside the city limits?
Posted by: HeatherRadish, fashioning a shiv from a spork w/ the breakroom toaster at January 31, 2013 08:54 AM (ZKzrr)
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18831/18831-h/18831-h.htm
He Walked Around the Horses - 1948
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18807/18807-h/18807-h.htm
Time Crime - 1955
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18151/18151-h/18151-h.htm
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 08:54 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)
It is an overt attempt at conditioning their minds. The leftards are thinking of a future they aren't going to have.
Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 08:54 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 08:54 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: The Brave Brave Public Law Enforcement Community at January 31, 2013 08:55 AM (9fcCr)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:55 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 08:56 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:56 AM (piMMO)
http://is.gd/F1OO6j
And in two weeks, they've caused all Chicago's poverty/violence problems. Pretty amazing.
Posted by: HeatherRadish, fashioning a shiv from a spork w/ the breakroom toaster at January 31, 2013 08:56 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:57 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 08:57 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 12:53 PM (FcR7P)
Up here, no one would pay any attention. I can walk through town to the local gun shop with one over my shoulder and no one would blink.
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My town has one convenience store/gas station, one bar, one trout stream, two eateries and a gun shop. We are the Goldilocks of small towns.
bbl...
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 08:57 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:57 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 08:58 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 08:58 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 08:58 AM (r2PLg)
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18460/18460-h/18460-h.htm
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 08:59 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 08:59 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 09:00 AM (GFM2b)
419 All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion & taboo in kids.
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)
Yup. I've listened to ever so incredibly earnest discussions about how having a gun in the home should be cause enough for CYS to conduct an investigation even without any other signs of abuse. Because, obviously, having a gun means that the parent is unfit because omg dangerous! I very nearly slapped the hell out of someone the first time I heard such statements.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (VtjlW)
419 All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion & taboo in kids.Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)
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Yup. I've listened to ever so incredibly earnest discussions about how having a gun in the home should be cause enough for CYS to conduct an investigation even without any other signs of abuse. Because, obviously, having a gun means that the parent is unfit because omg dangerous! I very nearly slapped the hell out of someone the first time I heard such statements.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (VtjlW)
Fuck all that noise. My kids shot a bb/pellet gun with me me at Thanksgiving and LOVED it. Now my soon to be 6 yr old is asking for that little pink .22 they sell at Gander Mtn.
I've recently had DCF in my house. Had nothing to do with our fitness as parents. They won't be allowed back in without a warrant. Fuck them.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 09:00 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 09:00 AM (piMMO)
Not necessary to setup an LLC and may actually limit your options in some respects. What you probably want is a NFA trust arrangement. Also allows you currently to buy suppressors, NFA firearms, etc. and for the trust to hold them. Regular firearms not regulated under the National Firearms Act can also belong to the trust. Make sure to get a good local attorney experienced in such things in drawing it up.
FAQ--for informational purposes only
http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/nfa_trust
Posted by: wg at January 31, 2013 09:00 AM (uVc0d)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 09:01 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 09:03 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 09:03 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 01:03 PM (piMMO)
It's all a lie. Can't be done. I've never done it so it doesn't exist!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 09:04 AM (da5Wo)
People need to read the old school pulp. A lot of stories had meat and a good message while taking up far fewer pages than the likes of Jordan. Though I will also frankly admit a lot of the stories that got printed by the pulps were horrendous in their prose and story also.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 09:06 AM (S7Hzw)
Did you see the Didem link I posted in the Ben thread dump?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 09:07 AM (S7Hzw)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 09:08 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 09:10 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (GVxQo)
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Too bad that you and your 13 yr old are right. I wish you weren't.
Posted by: Mine was blue at January 31, 2013 09:11 AM (ze9yk)
The Missouri v. Holland is the case where a U.S. Canadian migratory bird (read ducks, geese, etc) used a more expansive reading of the commerce clause to allow federal government to regulate hunting and fishing of species that crossed state lines regularly.
Bond. v. U.S. is a current case before the Sup. Ct. that may overrule or narrow Missouri v. Holland
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/bond-v-united-states-2/
See volokh.com for an extended talk about how treaties fit with the Constitution.
Given that Heller established an individual right to firearms protected from Congress, current consensus is that a Treaty cannot give a power to Congress that it lacks. Second, any levying of penalties on individual citizens must require House and Senate to pass implementing legislation. Third, Printz establishes that states and local governments may not be ordered to perform enforcement of federal laws.
Where I believe ratification of the Small Arms Treaty is problematic is that it would allow the President more latitude to ban importation or export of firearms, parts kits, ammunition etc. in order to conform to the Treaty.
Posted by: wg at January 31, 2013 09:12 AM (uVc0d)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 31, 2013 09:13 AM (9eDbm)
http://www.naturalnews.com/038889_doctors_guns_statistics.html
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at January 31, 2013 09:17 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)
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I'm Lutheran. The ones who told you that aren't. (Rom 7:
Posted by: King Tut tut now at January 31, 2013 09:19 AM (ze9yk)
Posted by: occam at January 31, 2013 09:20 AM (+Jqqc)
Posted by: wg at January 31, 2013 09:20 AM (uVc0d)
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:50 PM (1Y+hH)
I have that job on my plate today, too. But I do have a snowblower, if I can dig it out of the shop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 31, 2013 09:36 AM (29+x5)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:54 PM (S7Hzw)
Clever stories, Anna - at least the first and third; I couldn't get through the second (I don't care for SF). The Bathurst case is an intriguing historical mystery; perhaps I'll do a post about it some morning.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 31, 2013 09:51 AM (zF6Iw)
"This is what a mass killer looks like, according to a Department of Homeland Security analysis. He works alone. He uses a semi-automatic handgun. HeÂ’s a he. And he probably didnÂ’t serve in the U.S. military."
Yikes! They described nearly every GS-1811, 1801 and 1810 in the Department of Homeland Security!!!
For you lay readers, those are the armed criminal investigators, officers and police officers of DHS's various law enforcement arms.
Posted by: Manolo at January 31, 2013 10:05 AM (ceoOP)
Posted by: Manolo at January 31, 2013 10:07 AM (ceoOP)
To me, a citizen and former military member, who has served all over the globe. The issue about gun ownership transcends the issue of “second amendment” rights, etc…
It to a degree is now a issue of culture, and effect. It is a matter of what we desire and how we perceive the role of government, and the role of the individual; of having laws that address the real problems that we face, or dance around the issue; of the worthiness of freedom with all its warts (to include what some may feel approach ‘anarchy’), vs. the burden of tyranny, both upon the soul of the individual, but his enterprising spirit as well.
Culture:
One thing I have learned, what is valued most by so many other cultures, (regardless what they thought of our policies, presence, etc), - is what they perceive as America’s belief in the individual. One common theme ran among many of our admirers – they loved our ‘cowboy’ movies. They saw in those movies a sense of hope and belief of the individual, of ability to overcome adversity, in many cases in a lawless land.
Somehow over time, individual gun ownership became entwined with our culture, in part by necessity - as our early frontiersmen went West beyond both the grips and scope of any formal government. Guns were used to not only secure food, but fend off adversaries, and in some cases re-establish law from corrupted officials (even as recently as – the “battle of Athens, post WWII). The point is – whether by design or default - guns are now in fact synonymous with our individual freedom.
A change in, a restriction of, our gun ownership is but one shackle on our body of freedom, but a hobbled individual becomes dependent versus independent, a slave, and not a master of his own destiny, and is counter to our basic culture.
Effect
Unfortunately, gun laws, in all their forms have little effect on crime.
And maybe most importantly the gun laws already in effect – target however effectively or ineffectively the most important issues.
In regards to “assault weapons”. Current laws already severely limit and restrict true military style weapons, the most important feature being that they are automatic weapons. What is legally available to the general public, while maybe looking scary, are really cosmetic look-alike weapons that fire only in semi-automatic mode. Just because my Volkswagen remodel looks like a Porsche does not mean it is one, in performance, speed, or anything else.
In regards to ‘back-ground’ checks – they are working! And they are sufficient, in the Sandy Hook massacre, the perpetrator was stopped from buying guns, he had to kill to get the ones he used.
Let us not use the unfortunate events in Connecticut and Colorado as ‘red herrings’ to advance a political and social agenda. [That will have little effect on the issue – gun violence, and impact negatively on our social fabric]. And that is what it is. A political agenda advanced by a few, fueled by fear, a simple move ‘to get rid of guns’ by private individuals – period.
So letÂ’s call it for what it is, and look at what for instance the PresidentÂ’s past position on guns has been:
- Prior to taking office, President Obama sat on the board of the Joyce Foundation, an anti-gun organization that is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the nation.
- In 1996, Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
- In 1999, he proposed a 500 percent excise tax on firearms and ammunition. In 2005, Obama voted against legislation to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.
The deadly attacks in Connecticut and Colorado have fueled Obama's hatred for guns and gun rights, and he - and many others –motivated by fear and a misguided feeling of ‘the need to act’ are moving rapidly to dramatically restrict our rights to bear arms.
I for one, strongly oppose Obama's undermining our basic and fundamental rights and the thought that the federal government - not the people have the ultimate power.
I am urging all of us to stand against any and all attempts by this administration to encroach on our freedom.
J L Morgan
City of Valparaiso
jmorgan@valp.org
Posted by: j morgan at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (7YraK)
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