May 30, 2013

Did Eric Holder Also Lie... to a Judge?
— Ace

It's very simple: In his warrant application, Holder claimed to be interested in investigating James Rosen as a coconspirator in an espionage case. In addition, he claimed Rosen was a "flight risk," which would justify even closer monitoring (to make sure he wasn't buying plane tickets on Kayak, I suppose).

Now he says he never had any intention of prosecuting Rosen. In other words: He now says he lied when he told the judge these things, in order to secure his license to snoop on Rosen.

Well, which is it? If he never had any intention of prosecuting Rosen, the warrant application is a fraud on the court.

If he did have such an intention... that raises some additional questions.

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1 Ohai new thread.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 12:09 PM (GrtrJ)

2 What a tangled web we weave...

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 12:10 PM (VIaw0)

3 We need you to keep on writin’ those checks!,” she said, according to a pool report of one of the events. “And if you haven’t maxed out, you know what’s my motto: Max out! Let’s say it again, max out! And if you’ve maxed out, get your friends to give and max out!” “It sounds kind of baller too, maxing out!,” she added. “Everyone here should be maxed out!” I was misquoted. Everyone knows my real motto is "Let them eat cake." Now I'm-a gon' hafta sic Holder on you lying weasels.

Posted by: Moochelle Obama at May 30, 2013 12:10 PM (7ObY1)

4 He was just saying whatever it took to get what he, and by extension his boss, wanted.

Ends justifies the means and all that.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 30, 2013 12:10 PM (jGsIV)

5 Holder needs a special assistant to keep track of his lies.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 30, 2013 12:11 PM (8ZskC)

6

#3

 

"Baller"?  From the First Lady?

 

OMG.

Posted by: LASue at May 30, 2013 12:11 PM (pWeX5)

7 Holder should go to jail for something.  At this point I don't even care what it is.  I just want to see him in an orange jumpsuit being made some big dude named Leroy's bitch.

Lie here, lie there...nothing out of this man's mouth is true.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 12:11 PM (GrtrJ)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:11 PM (/PCJa)

9 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:12 PM (/PCJa)

10 I am hearing dog whistles like crazy in this post.

Posted by: that guy with superhuman hearing at May 30, 2013 12:12 PM (3xItt)

11 I was thinking the same thing. It appears he is trapped in a spot where he either demonstrably lied to Congress, or he lied to a judge. Will there be any justice here? Let's ask Scooter Libby.....

Posted by: Koenig Jojo at May 30, 2013 12:12 PM (Yv6gq)

12 Ah our classy first lady.  Where was she speaking?  Gangs Anonymous?

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 12:12 PM (GrtrJ)

13

The Ends Justify the Means.

 

-Things Every Good Communist Believe

Posted by: rd at May 30, 2013 12:13 PM (D+lxs)

14 Lying Crap Weasel Lies

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 12:13 PM (IEgq0)

15 There you go again with your Jayszus talk, ace. Lie? Perjury? Logic? Uh huh, dog whistle code words.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 12:14 PM (QxSug)

16 “It sounds kind of baller too, maxing out!,” she added. “Everyone here should be maxed out!”


Jes' keepin' it real wit da folks in da hood.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 30, 2013 12:14 PM (8ZskC)

17 It was sort of comforting to click on 'Continue Reading' and see a video and not see a movie reviews worth of words on Eric the Red. /

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 30, 2013 12:14 PM (U2UQk)

18 I was thinking the same thing. It appears he is trapped in a spot where he either demonstrably lied to Congress, or he lied to a judge. Will there be any justice here? Of course not. But maybe we can at least start tarnishing the Democrats 1/100th of what they did to Republicans after 2004.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:14 PM (/PCJa)

19

Holder will skate eventually.  The image will be bad, but when has that stopped this regime.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 12:14 PM (UTrUJ)

20 What difference does it make? Congress won't touch Holder, or his gay little moustache.

Posted by: wooga at May 30, 2013 12:15 PM (SexZN)

21

Anyone have a link to the subpoena?

 

Posted by: LASue at May 30, 2013 12:15 PM (pWeX5)

22 Of course he lied. It is what they do best.

If Holder goes this WH mess is going to open wider than Mooch's caboose. All things will be revealed. And I am going to watch every hearing and love every moment this bunch is brought down.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is thankfully not the Duchess of Alba at May 30, 2013 12:15 PM (baL2B)

23 Lanny Davis was spinning this on the radio this am. He says it happens all the time, everyone does it. I called this days ago that he was going to skate based on the intent to prosecute. He never did intend to prosecute he just wanted to fish around in Rosens email. And it is probably true the government does this all the time.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:15 PM (N5ZQC)

24 H/T Hot Air Mark Tapscott nailed it 4 and 1/2 years ago. Won't the First Amendment prevent the creation of this Caracas on the Potomac? Well, ask yourself this: How effective was it in preventing the imposition of speech codes that effectively silence so much dissent from the liberal orthodoxy on the typical American campus?

Posted by: Golfman In NC at May 30, 2013 12:16 PM (/djtm)

25 In Obamaland, Judge lies to you.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 12:16 PM (ZshNr)

26 Gonna bang the Kraut Hammer on yer ass, Mr. Holder!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 12:17 PM (f9c2L)

27 Well, which is it? If he never had any intention of prosecuting Rosen, the warrant application is a fraud on the court. A cleft stick of his own cutting indeed.

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:17 PM (evdj2)

28 He set up the Marc Rich pardon. Of course, he lies like a dog.

Posted by: dantesed at May 30, 2013 12:17 PM (vF+kM)

29 Interesting OT that Lois Lerner was intimidating and harassing Republicans when she was at the FEC too.It's almost as if the left owns all the bureacracies or something...

Posted by: steevy at May 30, 2013 12:17 PM (9XBK2)

30 @3 "And if you havenÂ’t maxed out, you know whatÂ’s my motto: Max out! LetÂ’s say it again, max out! " Ah... Princeton must be so proud of this particular alumnist! "Max out!" Like the Federal government has already done with the American credit card? "Max out!" So you can have more cash to vacation on, you fat assed bitch? "Max out!" because running up your personal debt, and that of all your friends and family, by forking over cash to the government is the most responsible and productive thing you can do.

Posted by: Damiano at May 30, 2013 12:17 PM (BzT5x)

31 I think our focus on these types of issues ultimately hurts us. I say we stick to faux-outrage over dumb celebutard statements.

Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 12:17 PM (W7ffl)

32 Didn't Eric "Cock" Holder lie to three judges?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 12:17 PM (0HooB)

33 I will investigate myself and let you know just how deeply disappointed I am with my actions which I only just read about in the newspaper just like you.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:18 PM (N9thc)

34 But maybe we can at least start tarnishing the Democrats 1/100th of what they did to Republicans after 2004.

Posted by: AllenG

Campaigning on corruption run rampant in an administration???

That's so crazy it just might work.

Wait 'til the the GOP hears of this wacky tactic!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 12:18 PM (ZIcZg)

35 Right like he could possibly be indicted for lying to a judge. It is a tax, not a penalty. Unless you need it to be a penalty

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:18 PM (N5ZQC)

36 He now says he lied when he told the judge these things, in order to secure his license to snoop on Rosen. It would be nice if the House Government Oversight Committee would call him in and ask some pointed- under oath- questions, wouldn't it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:19 PM (/PCJa)

37 >>I called this days ago that he was going to skate based on the intent to prosecute. He never did intend to prosecute he just wanted to fish around in Rosens email. >>And it is probably true the government does this all the time. I'm not sure thats a real strong defense. Of course we lied, we do it all the time seems a bit brazen even for this administration.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 12:19 PM (g1DWB)

38 I said this days ago.  He is guilty of lying to congress (a felony) and he has committed perjury in applying for that warrant.


He belongs in jail.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 12:19 PM (lZvxr)

39 I think we should go back to Fast and Furious and see how many lies he told then. We all know he did not just start lying now.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 12:19 PM (9Bj8R)

40 Yes, this is what I've been saying for the last few days.  Holder thought he was being clever when he told Congress he didn't know nothing about the potential prosecution of journalists, but if that's the case, then clearly he lied to the judge (actually, three judges) when he obtained the search warrant.  The whole justification for not notifying Rosen of the email search was because Rosen was considered a flight risk.  Well, if you have no intention of ever prosecuting Rosen, why are you concerned that he's a flight risk?  It's one or the other.

Posted by: biancaneve at May 30, 2013 12:19 PM (6bYlh)

41 1855 was a good year for injun killing!!

Posted by: John SmilingCooCooBird McCain at May 30, 2013 12:19 PM (jvd3N)

42 Wake me up when someone drops a shoe about the Roberts extortion until then, Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 12:20 PM (Cs2tJ)

43 “It sounds kind of baller too, maxing out!,” I've got a warehouse full of corn ballers that you can max out on!

Posted by: George Bluth at May 30, 2013 12:20 PM (BzT5x)

44

He either lied to the judge or lied to Congress.  That's the quandry Mr. Holder is in.

 

Lovely, ain't it?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 30, 2013 12:20 PM (hLRSq)

45 I'm not sure thats a real strong defense. Of course we lied, we do it all the time seems a bit brazen even for this administration. It's not a strong defense, but it doesn't seem brazen for TFG. And I want questions- under oath- about this. "Mr. Holder, did you ever intend to prosecute Mr. Rosen? No? Then why do we have this warrant request- signed by you- that says otherwise?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:21 PM (/PCJa)

46

Here's a question - how could Rosen be a flight risk when he didn't even know he was being monitored?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at May 30, 2013 12:21 PM (YYJjz)

47

Another classy line from Marie Antoinette speaking to wealthy donors:

"Just last month for example we saw the failure of common sense legislation to protect our kids from gun violence, legislation by the way that 90 percent of the American people supported. We're seeing a budget stalemate and a sequester resulting in children across the country being turned away from Head Start, and so many seniors losing their meals on wheels, and now there's talk about cutting food stamps," Obama said.

 

 

Posted by: cheri at May 30, 2013 12:21 PM (G+Wff)

48 Whew. What a hot freaking day! Nothing better than finishing up, and chillin' in the chilled hotel room.

I got told by my cop shadow yesterday that us contractors are 'hot'....in that everyone knows we're doing work for the cops, and that we're unarmed. Gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. Guess I really can't complain about having my own personal cop around. 

In other places, where the police do not insist on accompanying us to each site....we simply lie. "This sensor? Oh, it's a weather sensor.....or something to improve cable tv reception....or for the phone company".

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 30, 2013 12:21 PM (eyJh9)

49 I may have lied to Judges, but can you feel my Ruth?

Posted by: Holder the Penitent at May 30, 2013 12:21 PM (DrC22)

50 @JackStraw OF COURSE THEY ARE THAT BRAZEN sorry to shout but that is the political innovation of Obama, the Audacity of Audacity. Look, even you are having a hard time thinking they could be that damn corrupt. But they are. And they are counting in you not believing they could be that brazen.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:22 PM (N5ZQC)

51 Lanny Davis was spinning this on the radio this am. He says it happens all the time, everyone does it. Riiight. Sure they do. Judges just looove to be lied to in their own kingdom.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 12:22 PM (YIZv0)

52 Is it possible that Holder is really an incompetent boob, rather than a conniving partisan?  Surely he couldn't think that he could get away with all this stuff in the face of this country's hypervigilant Fourth Estate?

Posted by: Exceptionally Mediocre at May 30, 2013 12:22 PM (ZKGJl)

53

32 Didn't Eric "Cock" Holder lie to three judges?

 

Why...yes. Yes he did.

 

He had to shop around to find one that liked the way he lied.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 12:22 PM (CnFRK)

54

I've been screaming about this for days.  This whole investigation of Rosen was merely a ruse to check out his phone calls and email records, to see who else he was talking to in the administration.

 

They already had Kim nailed.  They didn't need Rosen.  The Justice Department was merely trying to figure out where to go next.

 

Holder is guilty of both things, by the way--  it isn't an either/or situation.   He lied to the judge when he claimed he was seriously considering prosecuting Rosen, because he wasn't, but he lied to Congress when he said "I never would consider prosecuting" a reporter, becuase he obviusly did exactly that.

Posted by: MTF at May 30, 2013 12:22 PM (B5y+v)

55 Did a Bear Also poop . . . . in the Woods?

Posted by: Monkeytoe at May 30, 2013 12:23 PM (sOx93)

56

Dance Steadman, Dance.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 12:23 PM (/tc03)

57 I was shocked when I read this in this morning's newspaper.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at May 30, 2013 12:23 PM (8ZskC)

58 I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller, And a 1964 Chevy Impala would be a nice touch too.

Posted by: Skee-Lo at May 30, 2013 12:23 PM (SexZN)

59 Stedman will become expendable to King Barack sooner or later.  They all do except the Jarrett Ferret.

I would like to see him in an orange jumpsuit being escorted into a federal pound me in the ass prison.

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 12:24 PM (iYbLN)

60 This fake warrant application is classic Cincinnati. Those assholes are always up to some kind of hijinks.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 30, 2013 12:24 PM (+lsX1)

61

Be careful what you wish for, you who want Holder in jail. I prefer him right where he is - causing problems for his boss. It's over a year until the next election - toss him now and Deval Patrick goes into the slot instead - no one will remember Holder's name. Never help the other side's bench. A scandal-plagued AG is much better than a successful reformer who is then better positioned for 2016.Since Valerie Jarrett controls all the power anyway, it won't make any difference to actual policy. Keep the damaged figurehead AG in place.

Posted by: Hal at May 30, 2013 12:24 PM (jp8PN)

62

I said this days ago. He is guilty of lying to congress (a felony) and he has committed perjury in applying for that warrant.



He belongs in jail.


 

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 04:19 PM (lZvxr)

 

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Black.  Democratium.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 12:24 PM (CJjw5)

63

(AP) The First Lady ended her remarks to the crowd by saying. "Peace out, Bitches!".

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 12:25 PM (/tc03)

64 Holder will not go under the bus. He will get promoted. Lets see, where to go from AG? I am sure some old libtard on the court is ready to retire.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:25 PM (N5ZQC)

65 The lie he told the court cancels out the lie he told to Congress, doesn't it?

Posted by: SlaveDog at May 30, 2013 12:25 PM (9fDAi)

66 >>Look, even you are having a hard time thinking they could be that damn corrupt. But they are. And they are counting in you not believing they could be that brazen. Oh I know they are both brazen and corrupt I just think that using a defense based on saying that they lied to 3 judges, Congress and the American people and they do it all the time might not be workable even for this crew. Particularly when they are asking people to trust them about the IRS scandal and Benghazi.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 12:25 PM (g1DWB)

67 One word: Mendacity

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 12:25 PM (9Bj8R)

68 I have to think lying to the judge would be worse than lying to Congress and it sure looks like Holder did both. With Congress you must a) count on political actors (by definition) growing the stones to actually do something tangible (controversial or not), and b) depend on the MFM to not declare, "Partisan witchhunt!" and immediately rally around the criminal. With a judge, neither applies especially in this case. Team Holder judge-shopped and misrepresented the case to reach an ends. The Courts will not look kindly upon that and they do indeed have godlike killing powers. Moreover, the partisan smear will not have merit.

Holder better hope he only has to worry about Issa's committee.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 30, 2013 12:25 PM (eHIJJ)

69 Perjury is a felony punishable by 5 years in the federal prison and for him, disbarment. Also lying to congress is a felony punishable by 5 years in federal prison.


He's good for ten years.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 12:26 PM (lZvxr)

70 Stedman will use the "I'm retarded" defense.

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 12:26 PM (iYbLN)

71 My declaration in support of that subpoena was supposed to be off the record.  I'm greatly dismayed that the court chose not to respect that.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:26 PM (8ZskC)

72 Why aren't the Dims fillin g the airwaves with examples of how the 'Pubs used the FEC and IRS to harass liberals?

Posted by: Jean at May 30, 2013 12:26 PM (CMlD4)

73 Stedman will become expendable to King Barack sooner or later. They all do except the Jarrett Ferret. I'm not so sure. I'm thinking Holder knows where too many bodies are buried. At the very least, he knows the real story behind F&F, and probably (since we sent the FBI to investigate-- why again?) about Benghazi, too. If either of those got out in a way that the Media could not ignore and could not spin, it would be the end of the Democrat party in national politics for a generation, at least.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:26 PM (/PCJa)

74 I wasn't going to prosecute him if I actually found something,  *giggles*  I was going to blackmail him.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:26 PM (Hx2XA)

75 Somewhere in the White House garage. A bus with big fat tires is getting warmed up. Target...........One Stedman Holder.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 12:27 PM (/tc03)

76 The greatest part about this, though, is that I can freely attack this administration now and not have facts to back it up. Even people I know who are liberal have to agree they've f'd up pretty hard. In the context of such a populistic democracy, these guys may skate but destroy their own party's posterity. For one, they might just give us the rocket fuel we need to break this country in two.

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:27 PM (El+h4)

77
Screw this bit of lying, he participated in or directed a program which killed hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens.  Oh he lied about that too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 30, 2013 12:27 PM (jKWYf)

78 The MFM: the only questions raised here is how partisan these evil republicans are being by raising these questions in the first place

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 30, 2013 12:27 PM (o5R8U)

79 bah.. the DOJ probably has friendly judges that will never even look at this twice.  It's nice to think about Holder being in double jeopardy like this, but when the foxes are running the henhouse...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 12:27 PM (f9c2L)

80 Well, whatever, screwed up my comment. That first not is officially redacted post-facto.

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (El+h4)

81  Stedman will use the "I'm retarded" defense.

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 04:26 PM ..............Which is completely believable.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (/tc03)

82 75 I wasn't going to prosecute him if I actually found something, *giggles* I was going to blackmail him.

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (Cs2tJ)

83 Shooting 2-22, is that 'baller' Moochelle? That fucking Erkel wannabe you married has no 'baller' in him. He sucks at Baseball, Bowling, Basketball, Golf, and most recently Football with Fatso. Dude is confused by a fucking umbrella too. Put with-Holder in jail already. He lied to Congress on F-F, and Rosen. Plus he let the Black Panthers skate to intimmidate another day.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (UU0OF)

84 #74

Thinking on it AllenG I think you're right.  He was with the Clintons and the Obamas.  He must have some major dirt.  Not J Edgar Hoover dirt but enough to keep his job no matter how large the shit storm gets.

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (iYbLN)

85 I'm just a caveman (you know the rest) but isn't obtaining a search warrant under false pretenses a crime?

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (8sCoq)

86 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 04:12 PM (/PCJa)


I just never get tired of seeing that.

Posted by: Berserker at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (FMbng)

87 Do you really think Judge Lamberth bought the idea that Rosen was a flight risk and a conspirator on espionage? He'll no. He was signing off on the authority they wanted, he is not a fool. He knows Holder was fudging to get what he wanted. You think this shit works like Law and Order on TV?

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (N5ZQC)

88 He's good for ten years. In the fantasy world where he even gets indicted, let alone convicted, he's either out in 2 or (more likely) pardoned immediately by his boss (to buy his silence re: F&F & Benghazi)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (/PCJa)

89 That Eric Holder, he's a baller. Barry's got him jumpin' through the hoops.

Posted by: Michelle the Belle at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (DrC22)

90 I'm also considering indicting Kate Upton so I'll need a search warrant for her underwear drawer.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (8ZskC)

91 50 I may have lied to Judges, but can you feel my Ruth? Posted by: Holder the Penitent at May 30, 2013 04:21 PM (DrC22) Hey now! Only Joshua Judges Ruth!

Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 30, 2013 12:29 PM (fzFF6)

92 Well, the really cool part is the longer he doesn't get indicted, the more dumb mistakes he makes that hurt his boss. Win/win, as far as I can tell.

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (El+h4)

93

Watch your comments Morons because:

Sticks and stones may break my bones but harsh words will make me sick the IRS on you.

Posted by: Thin Skinned Barry Fairy at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (VDovR)

94 Only Joshua Judges Ruth! Ace of Spades. Come for the boobz and booze, stay for the Bible jokes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (/PCJa)

95 I was almost late to my own wedding because I had not read the announcement in the newspaper until the morning of. I do plan to find out how it is that I applied for a wedding license the week before.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (N9thc)

96 Even people I know who are liberal have to agree they've f'd up pretty hard. In the context of such a populistic democracy, these guys may skate but destroy their own party's posterity.
Posted by: RiverC
.............
Hahahahaha.. you don't really have any liberal friends, do you?

Libtards admit nothing.. saunter over to Daily Kooks or HuffPo and see how many DOJ/Benghazi/IRS articles there are.  Hint: none

It's as if this isn't even happening.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (f9c2L)

97 I am not defending Holder, just saying they will brazenly make the lie to the judge defense. Lying to Congress is easy to understand, the whole legal jumbo jumbo stuff the LIV is going to get all confused and say Republicans are being so mean to that nice man.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (N5ZQC)

98 Some believe if Holder gets booted by Obama it will open the floodgates on this administration, but I'm not so sure. I could easily see the MSM praising Obama for "being a true leader" and "making the tough call". ...and then suddenly ALL of Obama's scandals will be declared "behind us" and it'll be, "time to move on". I think we should be hoping Holder stays...at least until the 2014 elections.

Posted by: Icedog at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (9ScGj)

99 Well, the really cool part is the longer he doesn't get indicted, the more dumb mistakes he makes that hurt his boss. No. For some reason, nothing his subordinates do ever sticks to TFG. Despite being the President for 4 years already, he's the "plucky outsider, trying to change Washington." If someone in his cabinet does something wrong, it must be because he's "too focused on the Big Picture" to be held accountable for what his officers administrators do.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 12:32 PM (/PCJa)

100 John Mitchell was convicted of perjury among other things and sent to minimum security.  If someone had the balls Stedman would be found guilty and sent to prison.

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 12:32 PM (iYbLN)

101 #97 That's the thing, if 'liberal people you know' are the people that comment at Daily Kos or Huffington Post, you don't know any liberal people.

Meeting them face to face - totally different story.

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (El+h4)

102 Do you really think Judge Lamberth bought the idea that Rosen was a flight risk and a conspirator on espionage? He'll no. He was signing off on the authority they wanted, he is not a fool. He knows Holder was fudging to get what he wanted. Well the judge just outed himself as a lying crook then.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (YIZv0)

103 I would like to see some additional whistle blowers from the DHS, ATF, LMNOP surface and plunge the knife in so deep, it'll never come out.



Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (Cs2tJ)

104 I'm waiting for Michelle Obama to up her "baller" slang from 1992 to 1994. Maybe she can start using "my nizzle" and "wiggedity wack" for fundraising.

Posted by: wooga at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (SexZN)

105 Stedman Holder Excuse Number 65:  Not my fault. It was a Low Level Judge who made the decision.

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (iYbLN)

106 All Barack wants to do is zoom zoom in Reggie's boom boom. Make some noise!

Posted by: Michelle Obama at May 30, 2013 12:35 PM (SexZN)

107 If I hadn't already lived through over four years of this, I'd be surprised...

Posted by: Phil Laîcheaux ('cause it's funnier than Emdoc) at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (oe4oA)

108

Posted by: wooga at May 30, 2013 04:34 PM (SexZN)


Posted by: Soothsayer at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (Fely/)

109 Er, well...wouldn't be at all surprised. We are after all talking about someone who authorized a program to run guns into Mexico, to the cartels, for reasons that have yet to be fully investigated...resulting in hundreds of deaths. So what's a bit of perjury, compared to that?

Posted by: Stu-22 at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (AiYlm)

110 "but isn't obtaining a search warrant under false pretenses a crime?

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 30, 2013 04:28 PM "

 

Not in Chicago East it isn't.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (/tc03)

111
My hash should be (ballZ)

or nutZ

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (052zE)

112 He's a friggin liar, any way you slice it. Hang his ass for it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (DPdf7)

113 71 Stedman will use the "I'm retarded" RACIST!!! defense. Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 04:26 PM (iYbLN) FIFY.

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (zoehZ)

114 This would only matter if we had a real opposition party rather than the current GOP

Posted by: TMG at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (t+Qh0)

115 You wingnuts know that if Holder had his fingers crossed while telling the judge that Rosen was a flight risk that it cancels out perjury.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (BXLPR)

116 And it is probably true the government does this all the time. Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 04:15 PM (N5ZQC) So, 100,000 of them in jail instead of just one. You have to admit, it would have an effect. Either enforce the law against your government or say goodbye to your country.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (qyfb5)

117
a good hash or some of you would be (fel8 )


Posted by: Soothsayer at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (vzLhi)

118 Stedman Holder Excuse Number 65 *** that was a long time ago.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (DPdf7)

119 #105 same rule that applies to old white people applies to old black people RE: slang.


Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (El+h4)

120 I'm going to borrow a Dershowitz phrase for this: "testilying". As I've yammered away incessantly, it's very well known indeed that the assertions made in affidavits to get warrants are, shall we say, less than Platonic ideals of truth. I see no possible way any court wants to go after Holder and open that can of worms.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (VtjlW)

121 He'd lie to St. Peter at the gates to heaven and claim he was someone else.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (giblS)

122 I think I would be outraged and would call Holder a liar , but I think  it would actually backfire and makes us look crude and low and not win over the soft liberal-wired middle so I'll refrain from doing that.

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (jfWE9)

123 How was Rosen a flight risk? Does he have dual citizenship or a non american passport? Please don't tell me it is because the guy is Jewish!

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (dHIHO)

124 " So be getting doze Prezzies out and fillin my clamshell for my boy, aiiight, cuz we got some shizzle still to do back at da cracker house yo! We're gonna tear that shit up dog."

Posted by: Michelle Obama at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (/tc03)

125 Thinking on it AllenG I think you're right. He was with the Clintons and the Obamas. He must have some major dirt. Not J Edgar Hoover dirt but enough to keep his job no matter how large the shit storm gets.

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 04:28 PM (iYbLN)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

The regime has no conscience.  They'll threaten Holder  (and his family) like they threaten everyone else.  Holder, if he leaves, will just be another broken egg.  The marxist march will continue.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (UTrUJ)

126 I've got a nasty feeling that prosecutors do that sort of shit all the time.

Posted by: joncelli at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (RD7QR)

127 It was a fishing trip from the start and always was to be. Fishing trip to find something to blackmail someone else. They did something that if Nixon could they would not needed the to break-in at 2am into the Watergate hotel just get a warrant saying the DNC might have done something wrong but they are not going to be prosecuted just give us a warrant to look.

If they could do a fishing warrant that they don't want to prosecute you unless they find something they could end most organized crimes with nothing but a fishing warrant on every cell phone in Chicago or New York.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (CdeLs)

128 If I never hear the word "baller" ever again, it will be too soon. Man, I freaking loathe these people.

Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (96M6e)

129 Impeachment would have already been passed in the house of representatives if GWB was president. The media would be so shrill that Hillary Clinton would be telling them to pipe down. But he is a black democrat, therefore gets immunity because shut up.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (lrfAa)

130 How long until Holder takes the Fifth?

FUCK.
THESE.
ASSHOLES.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (wtvvX)

131 #122

And that is what is so intriguing about this. It's like tripping over a hole in your carpet and tearing it open to reveal the whole underworld.

How far does the rabbit hole go?

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (El+h4)

132

123 He'd lie to St. Peter at the gates to heaven and claim he was someone else.

 

I'd rather he go straight to hell, and never get that close to the gates of heaven.

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (CnFRK)

133 Is this what the threads always look like? I think I'm blind as a bat.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (ZshNr)

134 I recommend reading Orin Kerr's post on Volokh. I'm not 100% convinced but he makes a compelling argument.

Basically: a warrant for evidence is not necessarily related to prosecution and there is good reason in this case to believe it was not intended to be a step toward any prosecution of Rosen.

For Holder to be honest on both fronts, it boils down to Holder showing probable cause that Rosen was engaged in illegal activity and yet had absolutely no desire to prosecute him for it. Orin says it's a valid use of discretion...because resources. Or as I joked, because sequester. It actually is a strong argument. Holder was going after the government leaker. In order to get the evidence allegedly passed to Rosen, Holder had to make a showing of criminality (required by the statute). Like a good lawyer, Holder was able to make that showing in supposedly good faith.
 
Still, I say an argument can be made - though perhaps not a very strong argument - that the assertion of Rosen's criminality CAN also be a step toward prosecution. And if Holder was considering such a prosecution, then that to me is being involved in "potential prosecution." The problem is that it requires us to speculate as to Holder's intent...because criminality, alleged or not, does not necessarily = potential prosecution. But, unfortunately, we cannot categorically say that the warrant was part of a "potential prosecution."

I know it's terrible legalistic but it's not quite as murky as it sounds if given fair consideration. I agree with Orin that a perjury charge is likely a loser. But ask Holder, under oath, if he believed Rosen was involved in criminal activity, then ask if he had any intent to prosecute. While not strictly at odds, it certainly would look that way to all us plebians.

Posted by: Crispian at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (5MSO0)

135

 

Well the judge just outed himself as a lying crook then.

 

wouldn't say he's a lying crook,just a corrupt political hack for hire

Posted by: kj at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (kw7uo)

136 The Fist Lady should not be made an object of fun.

Posted by: FBI Domestic Terrorism Unit at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (B5y+v)

137 The administration and cabinet (I refuse to capitalize for these dolts) are illegitimate and cannot be trusted to follow the law. Period. They are criminals and cannot be controlled through the Constitution and subsidiary laws. I mean, really. What reasonable expectation does anyone have that any in the administration would follow any inconvenient law? We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the entire apparatus of the govenment has been twisted to violate the constitutional rights of nearly 140 million Americans - illegally. Each person involved is a felon. Each person involved has violated their oath of office and are in rebellion against the Constitution per Amendment 14 section 3. But that's not halting them, not shaming them - so let's stop pretending that they are anything else but criminals with guns and lawyers.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (Up4f+)

138 137
Mallamutt,

+100

Posted by: mpfs at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (iYbLN)

139 I have yet to find compelling evidence of anybody in the Obama Administration actually telling the truth.

Posted by: Fritz at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (G9Mmf)

140 Too bad my hash changes every day. I will enjoy the sexy hash while I can.

Posted by: wooga at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (SexZN)

141 "It's not a lie if you believe it will work."---Bill Clinton

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (3+QKS)

142 125 How was Rosen a flight risk? Does he have dual citizenship or a non american passport? Please don't tell me it is because the guy is Jewish! Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 04:39 PM (dHIHO) Yes he was a flight risk because he was a Jew. I mean, Holder knows who is and isn't a flight risk. Rosen=flight risk. Marc Rich=not a flight risk.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (BXLPR)

143 Gonna steal that Ma llamutt, For good purpose.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (ZshNr)

144 AllenG ill read your novel.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (74zsR)

145

Eric Holder is one damn fine lawyer.  Leave him alone!

Posted by: Marc Rich at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (B5y+v)

146 unfucking believable. If these people were not democrats they would be before a judge NOW.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (wR+pz)

147 Bluffing is still lying if you get caught.

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:45 PM (El+h4)

148

How far does the rabbit hole go?

 

 

It's deeper than it looks.

Posted by: Michele Obama's Landing Strip at May 30, 2013 12:45 PM (IEgq0)

149

a good hash or some of you would be (fel8 )

 

Posted by: Soothsayer

 

Perhaps, but first, you will fel8 me!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (SFs98)

150 I think I'm going to run a red light, threaten some politicians, and crash into a couple of cars today. Since laws don't apply anymore right?

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (lrfAa)

151 If James Rosen is a flight risk, I am Lena Horne.

(I am not Lena Horne.)

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (zJi7o)

152

How far does the rabbit hole go?

It's Holders, all the way down.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (eyJh9)

153 The law is irrelevant, as they say!

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (El+h4)

154 I always rewarded my kids when they lied and they turned out just fine!

Posted by: Zubeidat Tsarnaeva at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (9Bj8R)

155 Number 66 . Well played sir , well played .

Posted by: DrDrill at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (sOFZs)

156 If James Rosen is a flight risk, I am Lena Horne. (I am not Lena Horne.) Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 30, 2013 04:46 PM (zJi7o) Well I'm not Lena Horne. Ace are you Lena Horne?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (9Bj8R)

157 If you lie-lie it's a lie, but if you lie-lie-lie it's not a lie anymore.

Posted by: RiverC at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (El+h4)

158 40 So, who was the last AG that got disbarred? Nixon's ag John Mitchell.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (wR+pz)

159 Posted by: Crispian at May 30, 2013 04:42 PM (5MSO0) Interesting. Why would flight risk matter if there was no intent to ever prosecute?

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (VIaw0)

160 115 This would only matter if we had a real opposition party rather than the current GOP

Posted by: TMG at May 30, 2013 04:37 PM (t+Qh0)


We can dream , right?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (AWmfW)

161 Maybe Holder is Lena Horne.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (X+nFp)

162 Shoutouts. Balling. Flow. Swagga. Words I hated hearing the first time I ever heard them, and words I never thought the POTUS would use in public, but "historic" is what the young "g's" are all about.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (BXLPR)

163

Never heard the term "baller" before.

 

 "It sounds kind of baller.."....what?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (YmPwQ)

164 Ace is still busy berating his commenters in the other thread.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (vyPsz)

165 >>>Well I'm not Lena Horne. Ace are you Lena Horne? The real question is: are you zombie Lena Horne?

Posted by: wooga at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (SexZN)

166 Is Lena Horne alive?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (3+QKS)

167 Never heard the term "baller" before. "It sounds kind of baller.."....what? Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 30, 2013 04:49 PM (YmPwQ) neither have I? What does it mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (9Bj8R)

168 I am in the sex zone. SexZN.

Posted by: wooga at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (SexZN)

169 Some little female do-gooder just rang my doorbell to talk to me about the "hazards of pesticides on the environment and my children."


I told her I was on a phone call and couldn't talk.  She said she'd come back....oh goody.


I walked back to the kitchen area and what do I see out the window?  My husband rounding the corner with his 'pesticide sprayer'.  I went outside laughing my ass off and told him to stay away from the front of the house.


I couldn't have scripted that better....



Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (X6akg)

170 >>>Maybe Holder is Lena Horne.

No Holder is Lena Dunham.

Posted by: Fritz at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (G9Mmf)

171 Pretty sure there's a secret warrant out on Lena Horne's phone.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (X+nFp)

172 Of course, this means that a bunch of lawyers at DOJ are in trouble, in fear for their law licenses, not just Eric Holder.
Frankly, it was easier for Obama with just Holder just lying to Congress.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 30, 2013 12:51 PM (e8kgV)

173

Maybe I'll go to the urban dictionary to check it out. But I work with folks who use slang all the time and I've never heard the word or term "baller". Unless I misheard it. Unlike June Cleaver, I don't speak jive.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 30, 2013 12:51 PM (YmPwQ)

174 161 If James Rosen is a flight risk, I am Lena Horne. (I am not Lena Horne.) Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 30, 2013 04:46 PM (zJi7o) Well I'm not Lena Horne. Ace are you Lena Horne? Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 04:48 PM (9Bj8R) I'm from Missouri. (not really, but you know)

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 30, 2013 12:51 PM (BXLPR)

175
Basically: a warrant for evidence is not necessarily related to prosecution and there is good reason in this case to believe it was not intended to be a step toward any prosecution of Rosen.
Posted by: Crispian

As usual Kerr ignores the facts of the matter to suit his contrarianism.

Holder et al guilded the lily by claiming he was a flight risk. If they had no intension to prosecute then the flight risk claim was a lie. No if's and's or but's. A fucking lie.

Further as Kraut points out, there has never been a successful prosecution of a journalist for publishing facts from a leak. They know that. This isn't a unique situation.

This was a fishing expedition, and Holder lied to the judge regarding the investigation of Rosen.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (ZIcZg)

176 Is Lena Horne alive? Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 04:49 PM (3+QKS) As in breathing? No

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (9Bj8R)

177

There should be bar referrals on top of everything else but it doesn't work that way.  Also, the judge has to have ethics to make an ethics referral. 

Posted by: ejo at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (GXvSO)

178 179 Of course, this means that a bunch of lawyers at DOJ are in trouble, in fear for their law licenses, not just Eric Holder.
Frankly, it was easier for Obama with just Holder just lying to Congress.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 30, 2013 04:51 PM (e8kgV)


That's nice.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (AWmfW)

179

Exactly, Ace. I mean, why isn't this stuff OBVIOUS? Is there just TOO MUCH to keep track of, that people can't think it al through?

 

If he wasn't going to prosecute Rosen, then why spy on him at all? To intimidate him? That wouldn't be good, either, and the fact that they didn't tell him they were spying on him wouldn't have made that very effective.

 

As the lies keep getting more elaborate, a situation is actually created where the conclusions point to things that are EVEN WORSE than what they're being accused of!

 

Posted by: Optimizer at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (Mxt9o)

180 I think I'm going to run a red light, threaten some politicians, and crash into a couple of cars today. Since laws don't apply anymore right?

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 04:46 PM (lrfAa)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

Go for it.  I'm going to  the grocery store and taking eveything in their meat case.  Then I'll just roll my cart out the door  while giving the finger to the cashier.   Later I'm going to rob some houses.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (UTrUJ)

181 And, of course, he would have to prosecute himself.  Not going to happen.

Posted by: ejo at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (GXvSO)

182 I see no possible way any court wants to go after Holder and open that can of worms. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 04:39 PM (VtjlW) And People Wonder Why Lawyers Are Held In Such Low Esteem.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (qyfb5)

183 175 Some little female do-gooder just rang my doorbell to talk to me about the "hazards of pesticides on the environment and my children." I told her I was on a phone call and couldn't talk. She said she'd come back....oh goody. I walked back to the kitchen area and what do I see out the window? My husband rounding the corner with his 'pesticide sprayer'. I went outside laughing my ass off and told him to stay away from the front of the house. I couldn't have scripted that better.... Posted by: Tami at May 30, 2013 04:50 PM (X6akg) Libs are all marching against Monsanto today. Which reminds me I need to go get the Roundup out and kill some weeds tomorrow.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (BXLPR)

184 I'm thinking that maybe Rosen was onto something else. This administration wants us to believe it's up to the task of four dimensional chess playing. What else was Rosen sniffing around? It's not as if there's a shortage of possibilities.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (U2UQk)

185 Only reason Holder hasn't been canned yet is that he's and his staff are sitting on top of thousands of documents and information about plenty of scandalous events. A new AG with a new staff would likely have to be TOLD what to be careful with so as to not let anything slip out. In other words, the new guy would have to be just as corrupt as the old guy. That MIGHT be a tall order. For right now it's better and safer for Obama to leave Holder at DOJ with all his fingers plugged into the right holes. No guarantee at all a new guy would know which holes to stick his fingers in.

Posted by: drawandstrike at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (/y+no)

186 Steve Buyansky (beye-AN'-skee), a photo editor for three of the group's suburban newspapers, says about 30 photographers heard from Sun-Times editor Jim Kirk that they were laid off at a mandatory meeting Thursday morning.

He says the photographers are "in shock."

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (e8kgV)

187 Crispian, interesting, but on Greta last night, she read in section 43 (I believe) of Holder's affidavit some wording that seemed to point 100% intent to prosecute.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (UU0OF)

188 When Lena Horne was young, I would have done her, just to share her drugs.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 30, 2013 12:55 PM (wR+pz)

189 Stedman will use the "I'm retarded" defense.

--

I'm thinking he'll pull out the rayciss card.  It always works.

Posted by: Lady in Black (I haven't read all the comments yet, but....) at May 30, 2013 12:55 PM (ovWeo)

190 well, as long as we're discussing pricks, this was at Breitbart

In 2007, one Chicago family underwent a nightmare at Northwestern hospital: their newborn son’s circumcision went awry, with a doctor amputating the tip of the boy’s penis. According to a lawyer for the family, Dan Kotin, the doctor missed three safety procedures that should have been followed. According to Kotin, the boy lost “the top 40 percent of the head of his penis.”

The doctor’s attorney argued that this was a predictable complication of circumcision, to which Kotin responded, “If that were a known complication to a circumcision procedure, I suggest to you that nobody would dare have a circumcision done because it would be too risky.”

The jury awarded the family $1.3 million in damages.

Posted by: mallfly, bon vivant at May 30, 2013 12:55 PM (bJm7W)

191 Fiat justicia, ruat caelum...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (fMiHM)

192 Where have you gone, Spurwing Plover A nation turns its lonely eyes to you

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (8sCoq)

193 First!

Posted by: Jay in Ames at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (i2Lsf)

194

The only decent politician in the Romney family commented today on the Obama scandals.  She's focusing not on the specifics but on how Obama's ability to govern is undermined and that's why we will eventually get administration firings and prosecutions.  Obama will have no choice, assuming he really gives a shit about governing. 

 

Which he probably doesn't.

 

http://bit.ly/1aDRjOs

 

Posted by: MTF at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (B5y+v)

195 Okay, I'm not down with the hepcats. Someone put me to some knowledge: what did the First Lady mean by 'baller'?

Posted by: troyriser at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (vtiE6)

196 holder knows where all the bodies are buried. In fact he buried most of them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (9Bj8R)

197

A sane, intelligent person in Holder's situation would know they were in an inescapable trap and at least attempt to resign with some dignity.

 

So we know Holder will never do that.

Posted by: LASue at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (pWeX5)

198 172 Is Lena Horne alive? Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 04:49 PM (3+QKS) No. Rosen killed her.

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (dHIHO)

199 Pfft! Next thing you know, people will be upset about all the warrants I got to investigate those right wing terrorist, tea party people! And you people say that your against terrorists! Now... where did I put those coordinates for drone strikes on tea party terrorist houses....

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (BzT5x)

200 Go for it. I'm going to the grocery store and taking eveything in their meat case. Then I'll just roll my cart out the door while giving the finger to the cashier. Later I'm going to rob some houses. Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 04:53 PM (UTrUJ) Well THEY didn't built it anyways. We paid for the roads and services they used, its only "fair" that they give back.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 12:59 PM (lrfAa)

201 Aww poor press getting laid off. My I don't giveashitometer is pegged at zero.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 12:59 PM (/tc03)

202 The DOJ is satisfied by the agreement reached by the prosecution, Eric Holder, and the defense, Eric Holder, that the defendant, Eric Holder, is free of guilt.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:59 PM (FcR7P)

203 It's arguable that Eric Holder didn't lie to Congress, based on the wording involved.
But it looks pretty plain that if he didn't lie to Congress, he did lie to the federal judge, or is that three federal judges.

It's pretty rare for the prosecution side to get caught in a "perjury trap"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 30, 2013 01:00 PM (e8kgV)

204 Is Lena Horne alive?
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 04:49 PM (3+QKS)

No. Rosen killed her.

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 04:58 PM........In the library,,,,,,,,,with Charlie Brown's Dildo.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 01:00 PM (/tc03)

205 200 First!

Posted by: Jay in Ames at May 30, 2013 04:56 PM (i2Lsf)

 

*snort*

Posted by: LASue at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (pWeX5)

206
Aww poor press getting laid off. My I don't giveashitometer is pegged at zero.

Maybe Jharles Chonson will hire a few to help him take pictures of bicycle seats.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (eyJh9)

207 The law is irrelevant!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (Cnqmv)

208 199 Where have you gone, Spurwing Plover A nation turns its lonely eyes to you Posted by: Jones in CO Have you tried putting out some bird seed?

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (dHIHO)

209 I talk like a fag and my shit's all retarded.

Posted by: eric holdme at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (/lWM8)

210 Urban Dictionary describes "baller" thusly:

A thug that has "made it" to the big time. Originally refered ball players that made it out of the streets to make millions as a pro ball player, but now is used to describe any thug that is living large.

Imagine that, the first Mooch using a word referencing a thug.

Posted by: Lady in Black (I haven't read all the comments yet, but....) at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (ovWeo)

211 @201 Governing? These thugs think that they were elected to vacation on the taxpayer tab. Prez'nit Tee Time only only gave himself a B+ because he had to spend some time campaigning in his first term and it cut down on his vacationing.

Posted by: Damiano at May 30, 2013 01:03 PM (BzT5x)

212 217 Urban Dictionary describes "baller" thusly: A thug that has "made it" to the big time. Originally refered ball players that made it out of the streets to make millions as a pro ball player, but now is used to describe any thug that is living large. Imagine that, the first Mooch using a word referencing a thug. Posted by: Lady in Black (I haven't read all the comments yet, but....) at May 30, 2013 05:02 Well she would know, being a wookie and all.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 01:03 PM (lrfAa)

213 Chinless wonder is a liar, but protected by his skin color.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 30, 2013 01:03 PM (PH+2B)

214 Firing US Attorneys as the law allows - Unacceptable Lying to Congress and a Judge - Perfectly fine

Posted by: Attorney General Guidelines, Page 1482 at May 30, 2013 01:03 PM (MMC8r)

215

My prediction for the MFM when Stedman is finally thrown under the bus....

MFM; "What a tough decision for the president. Holder brought all these scandals to the President that he didn't have any part of. The President handled it judiciously, cautiously and has renewed the publics trust in government. The President can no move on, as can the nation to solve it's problems. The scandals are now closed. Gulp gulp, gag, suck, slurp gulp.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 01:03 PM (/tc03)

216 How can I, Eric Holder, get a fair trial when the lead investigator in my case, Eric Holder, is blabbing to the media?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 01:04 PM (3+QKS)

217 11I was thinking the same thing. It appears he is trapped in a spot where he either demonstrably lied to Congress, or he lied to a judge. Will there be any justice here?

Posted by: Koenig Jojo at May 30, 2013 04:12 PM (Yv6gq)

I'm not sure.  I think we should ask Lead Investigator Eric Holder after he is finished investigating Eric Holder what he has found, and if there was any wrongdoing.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 01:04 PM (+xmn4)

218 US: Iran support for global terror surged in 2012 Published: 05.31.13, 00:00 / Israel News Iran last year boosted its support for global terrorism to levels not seen for two decades, the Obama administration said Thursday as it released its annual report on international trends in extremist violence. ??? Gee I wonder if that is because it senses WEAKNESS in Washington DC?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 01:04 PM (9Bj8R)

219

If Anthony Weiner ran for President, with Eric Holder as his running mate...

 

It would be the Weiner/Holder ticket.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 01:04 PM (CnFRK)

220 How 'Iron Man 3' should have ended. http://tinyurl.com/pyqw77u

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 01:05 PM (fWAjv)

221 Iran last year boosted its support for global terrorism to levels not seen for two decades, the Obama administration said Thursday THEY'VE JOINED THE TEA PARTY!!!!!

Posted by: The Lefty Chorus at May 30, 2013 01:05 PM (MMC8r)

222 227 Sidebar.

Posted by: zsasz at May 30, 2013 01:06 PM (MMC8r)

223 Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 05:04 PM (3+QKS) Jinx!

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 01:06 PM (+xmn4)

224 Mostly wall clouds.  Winds just aren't quite right  to click on tornados.  Some smalll ones, but nothing big.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 01:06 PM (UTrUJ)

225 Guess who most likely knows where the original birth certificate is and where the transcripts are.

Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 30, 2013 01:06 PM (Cnqmv)

226 I think they will cut Holder loose as this heats up and the media will try to run interference for Obama repair some of the chinks in his Teflon coating.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 01:06 PM (lrfAa)

227 The jury awarded the family $1.3 million in damages  inches.

Posted by: mallfly, bon vivant

 

 

Inappropriately fixed that for you.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 30, 2013 01:06 PM (SFs98)

228 Aww poor press getting laid off. My I don't giveashitometer is pegged at zero.

Maybe Jharles Chonson will hire a few to help him take pictures of bicycle seats.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 30, 2013 05:01 PM ........Weird. I was just thinking today, I wonder what ever happened to that place. I won't soil myself by looking or going there if it's still open even. It must be like one of those cities that was once promising that now looks like Detroit. Or for Der Leader, like the popular rock star who once filled stadiums is playing at some shitty casino lounges.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 01:07 PM (/tc03)

229 Serious You Guys, I never want to hear the word "b*ller" ever again, in any context, even with regard to the NBA. Don't make a maniac outta me!

Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 01:07 PM (96M6e)

230 This Lois Lerner bitch.  Scrunt has been busy for a while.  Apparently she told the Republican running against Durbin in 1996 to never run again.  She ran the FEC at the time. 

Story on the Daily Caller site.

Posted by: Not an Artist at May 30, 2013 01:07 PM (uRumV)

231 I think they will cut Holder loose as this heats up and the media will try to run interference for Obama repair some of the chinks in his Teflon coating. Velly funny.

Posted by: Beijing Teflon Coating Company at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (MMC8r)

232 My claim to fame.. I work with this cocksuckers 'best friend' Yay. Me.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (fWAjv)

233 Eric Holder.  I think I shall rename him Sir Richard Holder, knight of the Bronco Bama White House.  And henceforth he shall be known as Dick Holder, as befits his role in my administration.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (hHgxI)

234 He set up the Marc Rich pardon. Of course, he lies like a dog.

Posted by: dantesed at May 30, 2013 04:17 PM (vF+kM)

 

And lied about knowing who Marc  Rich  was  before the pardon application.  

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (m2CN7)

235 If Lois Lerner fell down the stairs in front of me I'd step over her crumpled, broken form to get by.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 01:09 PM (+xmn4)

236 Has Eric Holder ever told the truth?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 30, 2013 01:09 PM (1Jaio)

237 237 This Lois Lerner bitch. Scrunt has been busy for a while. Apparently she told the Republican running against Durbin in 1996 to never run again. She ran the FEC at the time. Story on the Daily Caller site. Posted by: Not an Artist at May 30, 2013 05:07 PM (uRumV) Don't bother her right now. She's at the day spa on extended taxpayer funded holiday.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 01:09 PM (lrfAa)

238 236 Serious You Guys, I never want to hear the word "b*ller" ever again, in any context, even with regard to the NBA. Don't make a maniac outta me! Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 05:07 PM (96M6e) I wish I was little bit taller I wish I was a baller I wish I had a girl who looked good I would call her I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat And a six four Impala Technically, that isn't 'hearing' it

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 01:11 PM (fWAjv)

239 Well, well, well! Stromboli! So that old rascal's back in town, eh?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 30, 2013 01:12 PM (bYRF2)

240 Don't bother her right now. She's at the day spa on extended taxpayer funded holiday.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 05:09 PM (lrfAa)


-----------------------


Seriously, there's really no cure for pure leftist radicalism like that except for some long hard jail time.  Just getting her to resign isn't enough by a long shot.

Posted by: Not an Artist at May 30, 2013 01:13 PM (uRumV)

241 Been practicin' but I'm still a Special Olympics baller.

Posted by: King Barry, Master of Austrian at May 30, 2013 01:14 PM (2iU3x)

242

Iran last year boosted its support for global terrorism to levels not seen for two decades, the Obama administration said Thursday

I don't think that's something the White House should be proclaiming like  it  supports  their positions  in the fight  against terrorism.   I'm suprised they did not qualify this statement by saying it began during the Bush administration.

 

It tells me that the Obama administration once again dropped the ball on protecting the country.  

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 01:14 PM (m2CN7)

243 Megyn Kelly was all over this on her show and O'Reilly show yesterday.



Read paragraphs 45 and 46 of the warrant......


Specifically the sentence in para. 45 that begins......


"Because of the Reporter's own potential criminal liability in this matter, we believe that requesting the voluntary production of the materials from Reporter would be futile and would pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation and of the evidence we seek to obtain by the warrant. 46. Based on the above, there is probable cause to believe that the Reporter (along with Mr. Kim) has committed a violation of 18 U.S. C.§ 793(d) either as Mr.Kim's co-conspirator and/or aider and abettor, and that evidence of that crime is likely contained within the gmail account.




http://tinyurl.com/pc6krw6

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 01:14 PM (X6akg)

244 Seriously, there's really no cure for pure leftist radicalism like that except for some long hard jail time. Just getting her to resign isn't enough by a long shot. Posted by: Not an Artist at May 30, 2013 05:13 PM (uRumV) Congress needs to give her immunity and then she will have to testify. This IRS thing goes to the top and I bet she knows exactly who is involved.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 01:15 PM (lrfAa)

245 49  In other places, where the police do not insist on accompanying us to each site....we simply lie. "This sensor? Oh, it's a weather sensor.....or something to improve cable tv reception....or for the phone company".   ----------   Cat detector.
 

Posted by: Department of 'Ousinge at May 30, 2013 01:16 PM (IrbU4)

246 Your daily reminder: This is a criminal regime.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at May 30, 2013 01:16 PM (6sqK6)

247 Tell me this isn't cute: http://goo.gl/Csqds

Posted by: M. Rubio at May 30, 2013 01:16 PM (dHIHO)

248 Dear Eric H: Keep digging. You'll find me. --- John Mitchell

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 30, 2013 01:16 PM (Ew8gu)

249 Technically, that isn't 'hearing' it *slices RWC with a hammer*

Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 01:17 PM (96M6e)

250 Is Lena Horne alive? Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 04:49 PM (3+QKS) No. Rosen killed her. Posted by: Waldo Yes ... Rosen killed her. It was Rosen.

Posted by: Kathryn Ruemmler at May 30, 2013 01:17 PM (evdj2)

251 Oh hell. Erick Erickson has annoyed off the women-folk by writing a piece about how the natural order of things casts females as nurturers and that two-parent, heterosexual households, with a mother at home, are typically better at raising children. http://t.co/gFyo1AYc2K

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 01:17 PM (DPdf7)

252 Congress needs to give her immunity and then she will have to testify. As part of immunity she should be barred from gummint jobs....ever.

Posted by: Beijing Teflon Coating Company at May 30, 2013 01:18 PM (MMC8r)

253 You're not really a baller until you're maxed out!

Posted by: LeBron Stedman at May 30, 2013 01:18 PM (G9Mmf)

254 Rats on Mars!! is going to me my go-to expletive for the next week.

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 01:19 PM (evdj2)

255 Natural Law Number One: DON'T PISS OFF THE WOMEN FOLK!

Posted by: M. Rubio at May 30, 2013 01:19 PM (dHIHO)

256 OT: Officials instructed Benghazi hospital to list Stevens as "John Doe" http://preview.tinyurl.com/mhjevh8

Posted by: Baldy at May 30, 2013 01:20 PM (tyDFN)

257
242 If Lois Lerner fell down the stairs in front of me I'd step over her crumpled, broken form to get by.
Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 05:09 PM (+xmn4)

Ditto. Although I might pause to piss on her. You know, in case she might catch on fire sometime in the future. I'm thoughtful like that.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at May 30, 2013 01:21 PM (/lWM8)

258 Congress needs to give her immunity and then she will have to testify. This IRS thing goes to the top and I bet she knows exactly who is involved.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 05:15 PM (lrfAa)


---------------


I don't know enough about "Use Immunity" or how it works.  Can Congress force her to accept it?  If not, I don't think she would accept it by choice.  This scrunt is way out there.  I think she would go to jail in order to protect anyone else involved.

Posted by: Not an Artist at May 30, 2013 01:22 PM (uRumV)

259 202 Okay, I'm not down with the hepcats. Someone put me to some knowledge: what did the First Lady mean by 'baller'? Posted by: troyriser at May 30, 2013 04:58 PM (vtiE6) also, someone who attempts to live well beyond their meager means. suspend disbelief for a second, imagine the government spending far more money than it ever takes in. that's baller

Posted by: Nino at May 30, 2013 01:22 PM (eyuLr)

260 It is a redux of Let's Make a Deal:

Monty Hall: "Eric, pick judge #1, or judge #2, or judge #3"
Holder: "Okay Monty..., I'll take judge #1"
Monty: "Ooooh..., bad choice Eric, no warrant from that judge."
Monty: "Alright..., next contestant.."
Holder: "Hold on..., I want to choose another judge."
Monty: "Uh..., that's not the way the game is played."
Holder: "It's the way the game is played in Chicago."
Monty: "Well, uh....
Holder: "Just give me judge #2..., unless you don't know what the IRS is"
Monty: "Er..., okay. Judge #2!
Monty: "Sorry Eric..., no warrant there either."
Holder: "Let's try #3.
Monty: "But, but...
Holder: "Shut up and try judge #3."
Monty: "Okay...., judge #3...., and there it is! A winner!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 01:22 PM (aDwsi)

261 Rotter på Mars!!

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 01:23 PM (evdj2)

262 Excuse me for getting so personal, Mrs. Rosen.

Posted by: Rev. Scott at May 30, 2013 01:23 PM (bYRF2)

263 28 He set up the Marc Rich pardon. Of course, he lies like a dog. Posted by: dantesed at May 30, 2013 04:17 PM (vF+kM) are you insinuating that the president will take a bite out of holder?

Posted by: Nino at May 30, 2013 01:24 PM (eyuLr)

264 Erick Erickson has annoyed off the women-folk by writing a piece about how the natural order of things casts females as nurturers and that two-parent, heterosexual households, with a mother at home, are typically better at raising children. http://t.co/gFyo1AYc2K Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 05:17 PM (DPdf7) Yes. The very very very very first thing anyone thinks of when they think of me is "wow, she's so incredibly nurturing!" Yuppers.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 01:25 PM (VtjlW)

265 Llygod mawr ar y blaned Mawrth!!

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 01:25 PM (evdj2)

266 Eric Holder is a lying Chicago Machine political hack. I don't think I'm being racist (please correct me if I'm wrong) when I say that if these guys were white guys from CHICAGO, everyone on the planet would assume they were guilty, and they would have gotten nabbed in some scam in the Illinois State Senate back in 03 when they were positioning for power. But Barack gave one golden speech back in 04 and everybody just paved the way for the Great New Hope from the town of scum and villainy. 4 of Illinois' last 7 Governors did TIME. When I look at it simply through the lens of where they come from and not what color they are, this all seems so obvious, and pretty much about as smart from any of the Governor's house back in Illinois could hope to come up with.

Scene: Int. Looks like the Godfather but tacky and 70s and they just think its The Godfather. Picture a fat Ray Liotta behind a Governor's desk that says Eric Holder on it:
"I WANT DAT GUYS EMAILS. IM THE GOVERNOR. FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THEM."

But all beware for we shan't accuse the Golden Child of being a politician.

Posted by: theNomad at May 30, 2013 01:25 PM (0aJqr)

267 Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 05:22 PM (aDwsi)


That gave me a smile.   If it weren't so true, it'd be even more hilarious. 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 30, 2013 01:25 PM (v3pYe)

268 The State Department on Thursday warned Americans about visiting the Egyptian pyramids due to a number of “aggressive” incidents that it says verge on “criminal conduct.” The U.S. Embassy in Cairo said in a release that it “has become aware of an increasing number of incidents at or near the Giza Pyramids.” “U.S. citizens should elevate their situational awareness when traveling to the Pyramids, avoid any late evening or night travel, utilize a recommended or trusted guide, and closely guard valuables,” according to the warning, which the State Department confirmed is an authentic “security warning” issued by the embassy in Cairo. These incidents include angry mobs reportedly “surrounding and pounding” on vehicles and in some cases “attempting to open the vehicle’s doors,” according to the release. Hey obama how's that getting rid of Mubarak working out?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 01:26 PM (9Bj8R)

269 are you insinuating that the president will take a bite out of holder? Only after sufficeint grilling.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 01:26 PM (YIZv0)

270   Yes. The very very very very first thing anyone thinks of when they think of me is "wow, she's so incredibly nurturing!" Yuppers. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 05:25 PM (VtjlW)


Have you polled the denizens of Alextopia?   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 30, 2013 01:26 PM (sGtp+)

271 Yes. The very very very very first thing anyone thinks of when they think of me is "wow, she's so incredibly nurturing!" Yuppers. *** I once had a boss/friend say to me "Don't worry Flynny. Nobody's going to mistake you for 'sweet'."

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 01:26 PM (DPdf7)

272 If you don't think Obama stills smokes weed, you're crazy. Golfin'. That's smoking time.

Posted by: theNomad at May 30, 2013 01:28 PM (0aJqr)

273 Eric Holder is a lying sack of shit.  He's also a crap weasel--but then I'm repeating myself.  If you look at ol' Eric looking out of the corner of his eye at something, he looks like a great big lizard--beady eyed reptile and all that.   But then I'm insulting Gila Monsters when I make the comparison.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 30, 2013 01:28 PM (oe1aw)

274 Silly racists. Who do you think makes the rules? Who can prosecute the Attorney General? The levers of power are finally in correctly-thinking hands, you RethugliKKKan fools. The bureaucracy is deep blue. The unions provide street muscle that the police cannot. Oh, the police work for us as well. Enjoy your tax audits. We have to make sure you all pay your fair share to maintain the machinery that will keep you all in line and safe.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at May 30, 2013 01:29 PM (jCQ+I)

275 "...that raises some additional questions."

This is all that needs to be done - ask a whole bunch more questions. Since just about everything the assholes staffing this administration (including the asshole at the head) say is bullshit, if a whole bunch of questions about a whole bunch of different subjects are posed, they inevitably trip up because they can't keep track of which lies were told to whom.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 30, 2013 01:30 PM (vd7A8)

276 Why wouldn't he lie to a judge? They're both on the same side.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at May 30, 2013 01:30 PM (DoZD+)

277 Emmanuel Goldstein = Tea Party Goldstein serves an important role as both a convenient scapegoat for the totalitarian regime in 1984, and justifying reason for surveillance and elimination of civil liberties.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein [/i] at May 30, 2013 01:31 PM (U2UQk)

278 "Lie" is such an ugly word. Can't we say "facilitating statement"?

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 01:32 PM (kvwFY)

279 "Only after sufficeint grilling."

Doesn't matter how much of that is done, he's still gonna taste like shit.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 30, 2013 01:33 PM (vd7A8)

280 Wouldn't it be simpler to try to find someone that Eric Holder to the TRUTH to?  First, we could strike every American off the list...

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (Dxb1S)

281 MSNBC’s Michael Eric Dyson: Eric Holder Is The “Moses Of Our Time”… Yeah, he really said that. Weasel Zippers: It's worse if actually listen to it My G-D MSNBC is foul

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (9Bj8R)

282 This scrunt is way out there. I think she would go to jail in order to protect anyone else involved. I'm thinking any serious threat of jail will scare the shit out of this broad. The thought of missing her 180K +30K bonus lifestyle being replaced by stainless steel toilet/sink with unknown bunk-mate will get her to talk. I think even the thought of doing jail until SCOAMF gives her a pardon in 2017 would be too much for the pampered tyrant.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (UU0OF)

283 The damming thing about the IRS and the WireTap scandals is: People, big people, deserve, and should, go to prison, not resign in disgrace* just to get new jobs at higher pay. If rocks aren't being smashed over this in the end then *nothing* has been done to protect the American people from future abuses, and you might as well let them keep their jobs and tell them to keep doing what they were doing. America = Despotism.

*Celebrated Glory to the Progressive Cause, with book deals, and convention tours, speaking engagements et al.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 30, 2013 01:39 PM (0q2P7)

284 I don't know enough about "Use Immunity" or how it works. Can Congress force her to accept it? If not, I don't think she would accept it by choice. This scrunt is way out there. I think she would go to jail in order to protect anyone else involved. Posted by: Not an Artist at May 30, 2013 05:22 PM (uRumV) Yes. They can give her witness immunity and force her to testify. None of her statements can be used against her in prosecution and she is free to throw the entire administration under the bus. I think they would do it if an orange jumpsuit is in her future.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 01:39 PM (lrfAa)

285 "...Iran last year boosted its support for global terrorism to levels not seen for two decades, the Obama administration said Thursday..."

Why would these assholes tell us this shit when the only thing they're likely to do about it is just run their fucking mouths?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 30, 2013 01:40 PM (vd7A8)

286
182"As usual Kerr ignores the facts of the matter to suit his contrarianism."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 30, 2013 04:52 PM (ZIcZg)

Heh, gotta say that's pretty incisive.

 

194"Crispian, interesting, but on Greta last night, she read in section 43 (I believe) of Holder's affidavit some wording that seemed to point 100% intent to prosecute."

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 30, 2013 04:54 PM (UU0OF)

weft is touching on this too...and it's the legal argument that sticks with me making me not entirely convinced by Kerr. An agressive prosecutor would make the case that the warrant - while not categorically prosecutorial - should be considered evidence of "potential prosecution." Flimsier cases have been pursued by Holder.

Orin is literally saying that a warrant can attribute any manner of criminality, flight risk, etc...but the warrant is to be considered entirely apart from prosecution. Hermetically sealed off from it. Since a warrant need not be done for purposes of prosecution of the targeted individual (but merely to obtain evidence), that is okay. It is powerful logic. Our rebuttal I think is that while they CAN be entirely separable, doesn't mean that they ARE in this case.

 

Posted by: Crispian at May 30, 2013 01:44 PM (n9Zp5)

287 When Republican officials get accused of serious wrongdoing--no matter how specious the accusation (remember Ed Meese?)--the refrains is: "must resign due to the seriousness of the charge, too controversial to be effective in the job". When Democrats are caught red handed, the refrain is: "everybody does it". What's the over/under on the next defense of Holder's malfeasance being "perjury is racist code for 'uppity black man'"?

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 30, 2013 01:52 PM (aOnaK)

288 Prosecute, persecute; what's the difference?

Posted by: Moses Holder at May 30, 2013 01:54 PM (o44nj)

289 I wonder if Scooter Libby placed a call to Holder, would he answer?

Posted by: Jean at May 30, 2013 02:24 PM (CMlD4)

290 Anyone remember the SchoolHouse Rock episode about the branches of government, and comparing to a 3-ring circus. It used to be funny in an ironic way. But now, ass-clowns are in charge, and clowns are scary, not funny.

Posted by: Connertown at May 30, 2013 04:55 PM (ceOGc)

291 Posted by: Crispian at May 30, 2013 05:44 PM (n9Zp5)

The battle of formatting:

Pixy - 1
Crispian - 0

Posted by: ChrisP at May 30, 2013 05:37 PM (6LGTK)

292 Finally, somebody caught it! I've been saying for 2 weeks that a member of the DC Bar should file a bar complaint about Holder's lack of candor to the tribunal.

Posted by: MoeRon at May 30, 2013 06:05 PM (wGSBn)

293

Some years ago, I was very peripherally involved in a civil matter.  The attorneys on one side entered sworn depositions from two experts.  While the experts did not disagree with the contents, they had in fact never seen the depositions except as rough drafts.  Instead of being sanctioned, the two attorneys were told they would be well advised not to practice in that particular judge's courtroom again.

Posted by: Tregonsee at May 31, 2013 07:49 AM (QnBmw)

294

So, for those keeping score, it is apparent that one of the following situations is true:

1.  Holder lied to a Judge, in writing, to get a secret warrant approved, or

2.  Holder lied to Congress when he said he 'had no knowledge of . . . and couldn't see himself involved in' abusing journalists as a 'plumber' (leak fixer) . . .

3.  He lied to both, casually and with apparent contempt.

 

Posted by: CAPT Mike at May 31, 2013 11:52 PM (DiQnH)

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