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September 29, 2013

D'OH. Gun Thread
— Dave in Texas

Dangit.. I forgot.

Ok, gun pic name this firearm.

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No answer below the fold because you all know what it is. Despite their current assholery, Brits made some pretty awesome firearms back in the day.

There was a time when we made the M1A1 Thompson submachine gun. There was also a time when we needed to make a cheap easy to break down version that still fired .45 rounds but was less complex. The M3 grease gun was made for this purpose. And it delivered.

OH okay, below the fold. STEN is an acronym, from the names of the weapon's chief designers, Major Reginald V. Shepherd and Harold Turpin, and EN for Enfield. Over 4 million Stens in various versions were made in the 1940s.

9mm killin machine.

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1 yaaay

Posted by: mallfly at September 29, 2013 10:32 AM (bJm7W)

2 it's a "sten_pic1"

Posted by: mallfly at September 29, 2013 10:32 AM (bJm7W)

3 Our friend the Sten.

I particularly like the STEN mk V.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 10:32 AM (9jfyN)

4 that is the Sten isn't it?

Posted by: eddy at September 29, 2013 10:32 AM (VysBd)

5 post subtitle: The Final Nail In The Football Thread's Coffin

Posted by: Ed Sullivan at September 29, 2013 10:33 AM (rTCJ6)

Don't forget the Soviet PPSh-41.

Not all stamped metal, but Mother Russia (holding arms as far apart as they can go) has trees.

Posted by: Beagle at September 29, 2013 10:34 AM (sOtz/)

7 The Sten is not a southpaw's friend.

Posted by: That SOB van Owen at September 29, 2013 10:35 AM (8bBsO)

8 The STEN begat the Sterling, as did the M1a1 beget the M-3...

verily firearms are a legacy artifact.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 10:36 AM (9jfyN)

9 Ok, gun pic name this firearm.

AR-15 big mean black assault weapon!!!

Posted by: Your Betters in the MSM at September 29, 2013 10:37 AM (aTXUx)

10 Sten had a really bad rep for reliability. The M3 would be a hoot - I'd like to fire one.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 29, 2013 10:40 AM (83xuc)

11 http://tinyurl.com/2fsggfm

Interesting notes on the STEN.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 10:40 AM (9jfyN)

12 Gun show this weekend in Des Moines, Iowa, at the Fairgrounds. Gun prices were noticeably lower that 6-9 months ago and ammo and reloading components were much more available. I bought a Glock 36, but tragically lost it in a boating accident on the way home.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 29, 2013 10:41 AM (CNfUp)

13 Law enforcement style shotgun?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 29, 2013 10:43 AM (mvenn)

14 10 Comrade Arthur @2:40,

The STEN's bad rep happened largely because of the insistence of people in jangling the hades out of the Mags and not cleaning the things.

The Sterling was in many ways the STEN MkVII the improved curved magazine, and improved magazine follower increased reliability by 40% according to the files I've read.

They also lent themselves to being G. Lucas' Imperial guns quite well.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 10:45 AM (9jfyN)

15 Ooh, ooh,ooh. I know. It's a Peruvia-style colonoscope.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 29, 2013 10:46 AM (mvenn)

16 slow afternoon here... someone showing topless cheerleaders on the telebishun?

Posted by: mallfly at September 29, 2013 10:46 AM (bJm7W)

17 Ok, question for the gun nuts. Wife just bought a Beretta CX4 Storm in .45 ACP. It came with 8 round mags. I've been looking for extended mags, and while I can find 30 in 9mm and 17 in .40, there doesn't seem to be anything out there in .45 ACP. I'm sure I've seen .45 extended mags before, but they seem to have vanished. Anyone got any suggestions?

Posted by: Weirddave at September 29, 2013 10:47 AM (jt8G9)

18 More stories about Democrats ....

Talk about your Â‘whoopsÂ’ moments. Someone from a Prospect Heights International High School in Brooklyn called the father of a truant student to ask what was up with his abysmal attendance record. 16-year-old Jean Fritz Pierre drowned on a class trip last June.

Posted by: Oliver Stone at September 29, 2013 10:47 AM (e8kgV)

19 http://tinyurl.com/kz9vjov

Lake Charles Church Shooting details.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 10:51 AM (9jfyN)

20 AR-15!!!!ELEVENTY!!

Posted by: SHORT PIERS MORGAN at September 29, 2013 10:51 AM (PLOz8)

21 There were a lot of those Stens made in WWII so it likely a bunch of people have them stored away in closets.

Posted by: Vic at September 29, 2013 10:52 AM (zZbNF)

22 http://tinyurl.com/lfft5cn

NSA uses data to map Americans' social connections, report says

as Anna Puma, AlexTheChick, and others here said IIRC the key to Snowden was the revelation the NSA was mapping people's webs.

NSA officials declined to say how many Americans have been caught up in the effort, including people involved in no wrongdoing, the Times reported. The documents do not describe what has resulted from the scrutiny, which links phone numbers and e-mails in a "contact chain" tied directly or indirectly to a person or organization overseas that is of foreign intelligence interest, the paper reported.

I'm pretty sure you need to direct your questions to Messina and Axelrod FoxNews.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 10:54 AM (9jfyN)

23 (Since it was mentioned), here is a video and article on suppressed M-3Â’s in use with Filipino forces, who I have worked withÂ… some righteous mother fuckersÂ… watch the video! http://tinyurl.com/nuqrgo6

Posted by: Hillary Eats Huma at September 29, 2013 10:55 AM (vHRtU)

24 So, I bought a Taurus PT 145 (maybe I already mentioned this) and I went shooting and, wow is the trigger pull hard. And long. (er... oh nevermind) Anyhow, is there anything I can do about that? It was such a chore just getting it to shoot that I didn't even notice the recoil. Or should I just figure that the awful trigger pull is a safety feature and in an emergency I wouldn't be going through a whole box of ammo anyhow? The guy at the range said that it would help to relax my main hand... I'll try that next time.

Posted by: Synova at September 29, 2013 11:02 AM (7/PU+)

25 For the Beretta CX-4 Storm in .45ACP Beretta does/did make a 10rd magazine. Here is the link on Midway USA for it.
http://tinyurl.com/k7qygd5

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2013 11:05 AM (JaA49)

26 but isn't the long/resistance trigger pull only on the first shot, i.e., without the hammer cocked? so just cock the hammer, maybe? or you could modify the spring...but I wouldn't.

Posted by: Ed Sullivan at September 29, 2013 11:09 AM (rTCJ6)

27 Out of curiosity, what does spec manual say the trigger pull is for that pistol (in lbs.)?

Posted by: Ed Sullivan at September 29, 2013 11:10 AM (rTCJ6)

28 Nice gun.

Posted by: JohnJ at September 29, 2013 11:11 AM (TF/YA)

29 SCARY!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 29, 2013 11:11 AM (HDgX3)

30 > 25 So, I bought a Taurus PT 145 (maybe I already mentioned this) and I went shooting and, wow is the trigger pull hard. And long. (er... oh nevermind) Anyhow, is there anything I can do about that? Posted by: Synova Check on gun forums to see if that pull is typical. If not, Taurus does free repairs. If it is, check with a gunsmith to see what he charges for a trigger job*. might want to strip it and see if it is lubed right. *takes it apart. files/sands down rough edges. makes sure it doesn't fire full-auto by accident (the most important part)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 29, 2013 11:11 AM (83xuc)

31 Anyhow, is there anything I can do about that? It was such a chore just getting it to shoot that I didn't even notice the recoil. Posted by: Synova at September 29, 2013 03:02 PM (7/PU+) Not a ton of gunsmiths work on Tauri, but: http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/ and http://www.actionsbyt.com/ One of the reasons is Taurus does not like to sell parts and there is a concern about their lifetime warranty, but a trigger job really really should not break that. I usually see that done on their revolvers, I handled a Raging Bull with a 2lb glass break and my 44 tracker has a good trigger (custom).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at September 29, 2013 11:12 AM (qyfb5)

32 hmmm... any pictures of cheerleaders with big guns?

Posted by: mallfly at September 29, 2013 11:12 AM (bJm7W)

33 Everytime I'm alone with the machine tools at work, I think about popping out one of those babies. Maybe modify the magazine well for something modern.

Posted by: Jean at September 29, 2013 11:12 AM (CMlD4)

34 Ammo's coming back. Finally got my hands on 5.56mm at Cabelas. And it came with bonus Clueless Cabelas Salesguy interaction...

As I'm putting ten boxes of Federal 55-grain into my basket, Salesguy says, "Dude, save yourself some money, I've got the 300-round boxes on the bottom shelf."

I said, "Yeah, I saw them, but they're cheaper in the 20-boxes."

"Nah, they're cheaper in bulk."

As neutrally as I could, I explained, "Well... these 20-round boxes are $9.99. That's 50 cents a round. Those 300-round boxes are $169.99. If they were fifty cents a round, they would only be $150. I'm saving twenty bucks this way."

Salesguy goes blank, takes out calculator, taps for a while, then wanders away.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 29, 2013 11:12 AM (celt+)

35 I forgot to ask if the PT145 was new or used.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at September 29, 2013 11:13 AM (qyfb5)

36 Taro, last gun show in Jackson, MS. 1000rd 55gr PMG manufacture. $399.

Isn't it a shame the dude had to use a calculator for such simple mathematics. But hey calculators will make students' lives so much easier... easier as tools of the State that is.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2013 11:16 AM (JaA49)

37 Lovely husband neglected to mention that, along with my Beretta CX4, I also bought an AR-15 stripped lower. Pew pew.

Posted by: Gingy (yes, married to our own Weirddave) at September 29, 2013 11:16 AM (jt8G9)

38 Whenever I see a Sten, I think, "How hard could it be to design a closed-bolt Sten-like upper for the AR-15, with a side loading mag, ejecting downward into the magazine well?" Just a tube and a barrel. I'd buy one. I want a 9mm upper, but I don't want to screw around with mag blocks or, worse, yet, dedicated lowers.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 29, 2013 11:16 AM (celt+)

39 And yes what Comrade Arthur said, check with Taurus first they may be able to fix it for you for free. The replaced the entire slide on my PT99 no charge at all because the adjustable sight broke during firing - gave me a brand new fixed sight slide.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at September 29, 2013 11:16 AM (qyfb5)

40 my P239 (DAO) has a 10lb and then an 7lb trigger pull then Sig came came out with a DAK version which offers a consistent 7lbs trigger pull, which further proves the 239 was made for women and weak men, which irritates me.

Posted by: Ed Sullivan at September 29, 2013 11:17 AM (rTCJ6)

41 Holy crap, Marlins no hitter. The only way that could have been wilder is if Alvarez hit in his own game winning no hitter preserving run.

Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at September 29, 2013 11:18 AM (Gk3SS)

42 Taro, trigger/sear interface would be the only hard part - other then the ATF paperwork. Why wouldn't you do it in .22Mag and bring the magazine up the well?

Posted by: Jean at September 29, 2013 11:19 AM (CMlD4)

43 Here's an ammo-buying tip if you live near a Cabelas. Get a Cabelas Visa card. Every once in a while they send me a coupon for twenty dollars off of a $100 purchase. Plus, they pay 2% cash back on Cabelas purchases. So my ten boxes of 5.56mm cost me $78. Instead of 50 cents a round, it was a more normal 39 cents.

Whenever I get one of those coupons in the mail, it's Ammo Stocking Time.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 29, 2013 11:20 AM (celt+)

44 29 Nice gun.
Posted by: JohnJ at September 29, 2013 03:11 PM (TF/YA)
It'd be a shame if anything happened to it.

Posted by: King Barack at September 29, 2013 11:21 AM (Rla3K)

45 38 Lovely husband neglected to mention that, along with my Beretta CX4, I also bought an AR-15 stripped lower. Pew pew.

-----------------

Cool! Any particular uppers tickling your fancy? I've got a SW MP15 carbine, but my heart is set on a middy upper someday.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 29, 2013 11:22 AM (celt+)

Nigeria: Boko Haram kill 50 sleeping students in a raid.

Pakistan: car bomb near previously attacked church kills 33 or so.

Islamophobia likely to blame.

Posted by: MFM at September 29, 2013 11:22 AM (sOtz/)

47 18 Exile Machine is da bomb

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 11:23 AM (b7yum)

48 Yeah, the game ended with a wild pitch. The regulars were pulled and rested for the playoffs.

Posted by: mrp at September 29, 2013 11:23 AM (HjPtV)

49 I knew Sten but for the life of me, I don't know why. I'm not a big fan of WWII movies, and those never tend to announce the weapon's name anyway. Something about that sidewise clip, which I surmise you hold for stability and control. Looks like something parachuting commandos could carry easily. Is it famous from some recent movie?

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at September 29, 2013 11:24 AM (a5ljo)

50 Lovely husband neglected to mention that, along with my Beretta CX4, I also bought an AR-15 stripped lower. Pew pew. Posted by: Gingy (yes, married to our own Weirddave) at September 29, 2013 03:16 PM (jt8G9) A few suggestions: http://bit.ly/15DbHCN

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at September 29, 2013 11:27 AM (qyfb5)

51 34, yeah I know, kids or she should be able to take either and it should take either an uzi or mp5 mag without trouble .

Posted by: Hillary eats Huma at September 29, 2013 11:27 AM (vHRtU)

52 After Dunkirk, the Brits needed a lot of cheap weapons quickly. The Sten filled that bill.

Posted by: mrp at September 29, 2013 11:27 AM (HjPtV)

53 46 I've got a couple mid uppers and they are very nice

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 11:27 AM (b7yum)

54 There was also a time when we needed to make a cheap easy to break down version .... Kinda like this thread. JOKING!!! (Please don't ban me!)

Posted by: Boone at September 29, 2013 11:28 AM (3p8HS)

55 god damn voice recognition, what I meant was parts kits are cheap

Posted by: Hillary eats Huma at September 29, 2013 11:28 AM (vHRtU)

56 and Bill watches ...

even in .22lr with the new 60g subsonic ammo and a 60rd magazine .... hmmm

Posted by: Jean at September 29, 2013 11:29 AM (CMlD4)

57 52 Best bet at this point is to get a rifle kit from Palmetto State or Rock River

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 11:30 AM (b7yum)

58 I wouldn't assemble a lower without special tools. I'm too old for that shit anymore

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 11:33 AM (b7yum)

59 And when you absolutely, positively have to have an AR-15 that looks like a Blaster from Star Wars: http://bit.ly/18hh9sE

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at September 29, 2013 11:34 AM (qyfb5)

60 Taurus is pretty good about staying true to their warranty. Just expect for it to take a couple of months if you have to send it in. I know from experience.

Posted by: Adam at September 29, 2013 11:34 AM (Aif/5)

61 Best lower assy. vid: http://tinyurl.com/o4w4dte

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 11:35 AM (b7yum)

62 62 For perspective dpms had 2 of my 308 uppers in for warranty for over a year

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 11:36 AM (b7yum)

63 If you're going to do some work on your trigger, rather than filing or sanding, get a new (i.e. known to be flat) oil stone, clamp it to a workbench or table, set the trigger (or other part) on the stone and lightly "stone" the part. Then check for fit and action. Repeat as needed. This will get any tiny burrs removed first, and may be all that is needed.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 29, 2013 11:37 AM (FlRtG)

64 I was going to say that was definitely an AR 15...see I watch the news!!!

Posted by: Tocquevillian at September 29, 2013 11:37 AM (iuY0Y)

65 Vanity! Vanity! All is vanity when your AR-15 is a Blaster.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2013 11:39 AM (JaA49)

66 64 62 For perspective dpms had 2 of my 308 uppers in for warranty for over a year ------ Damn. The funny thing about my situation is that the pawn shop I bought the Taurus from told me they'd ship it for me if I'd pay the S&H when they got it back. Well it turned out that whoever signed for it when they got it in forgot to call me and it sat in the shop for an extra week so they didn't charge me anything. Guess I don't have much to complain about.

Posted by: Adam at September 29, 2013 11:41 AM (Aif/5)

67 So the pictured Thompson gun was Roland, Norway's bravest son's weapon of choice?

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 29, 2013 11:44 AM (+dA48)

68 mos def DON'T do any "trigger work" if you're planning on using the gun for self-defense

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 11:44 AM (b7yum)

69 I bought a Glock 36, but tragically lost it in a boating accident on the way home.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at September 29, 2013 02:41 PM (CNfUp)

That was my everyday carry gun, before the tragic boating accident. If it's a Gen 2 I highly recommend changing out the 17# standard spring for a 15# Wolf spring, the early versions of the G-36 were notorious for FTF/FTE issues. Glock, of course, denied there were any problems and quietly fixed the issue in the Gen3/4 (no one quite knows how). Also, Pearce +1 extensions. Sorry to hear about your tragic loss.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 29, 2013 11:44 AM (yh0zB)

70 mos def DON'T do any "trigger work" if you're planning on using the gun for self-defense

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 03:44 PM (b7yum)

because prosecuting attorneys love that shit.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 29, 2013 11:45 AM (yh0zB)

71 Anyone else smell scorched Bears in here?

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2013 11:45 AM (aTXUx)

72 Anyone else smell scorched Bears in here?

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2013 03:45 PM (aTXUx)

Da Bears, 3 and - uh-0h...damn shame, eaten by the Lions...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 29, 2013 11:49 AM (yh0zB)

73 Check the cheerleader picture several posts below, should cheer up even the most manic depressive Bears fan.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2013 11:49 AM (JaA49)

74 The taurus is used. I tried to find something that said what the average trigger pull is on it, but my google-foo failed. (the specs on the taurus site don't include that info). I thought I found something at least once that said it was in the 8 lb range, but I might be making that up. Also, I might just be spoiled. My first pistol is a Walther PPQ and the trigger is sweet. So that's exactly what I expected. I bought the taurus when I went to pick up the Baretta Neos .22 I had on lay away (no ammo, so no real rush to get it paid off.) That trigger feels like it has sand in it. Maybe that will smooth out with use. (It's funny shooting the .22. The hole in the paper is so small and the kick so non existent that on a noisy range I'm never quite sure if it fired or not.)

Posted by: Synova at September 29, 2013 11:50 AM (7/PU+)

75 #70 Good to know. Thanks Dave.

Posted by: Synova at September 29, 2013 11:51 AM (7/PU+)

76 76 Anna Puma 23:49,

Is NavyCopaJoe gonna be on a downer this week?

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 11:52 AM (9jfyN)

77 I think the Sten was prominent in "Exodus".

Posted by: mrp at September 29, 2013 11:53 AM (HjPtV)

78 78 Synova @3:51,

Eh "sorta" don't do it yourself.

You can take the weapon to a gunsmith and have it modified within Police Department parameters. I've read here it's a good idea to get friendly with your County's Police Armorer. You can send a written work order for precisely what your goals for the work are.

Stress "reliability" and "accuracy" not "speed" in the work order, and CC your lawyer on the matter.

Lawyer, just as important for concealed carry as your holster choice IMHO.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 11:57 AM (9jfyN)

79 Who woulda thunk that a first-class RB like Reggie Bush would make all the difference for the Detroit Lions? And Burleson didn't start because of a non-game related broken arm.

Posted by: mrp at September 29, 2013 11:58 AM (HjPtV)

80 Is NavyCopaJoe gonna be on a downer this week?

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 03:52 PM (9jfyN)

I know a number of Morons that will attempt to make it so...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 29, 2013 11:58 AM (yh0zB)

@80

I found that as a crossword puzzle answer on the Internet. So true apparently.

Posted by: Beagle at September 29, 2013 11:59 AM (sOtz/)

82 The Sten is also prominent in Top Gear

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 12:00 PM (b7yum)

83 Lawyer, just as important for concealed carry as your holster choice IMHO.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 03:57 PM (9jfyN)

Fact. Talk to several and find the one that does not get all skeeved when you say "self defense" because a lot of them don't really know how to run a SD case.

Time to get ready for work now.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 29, 2013 12:00 PM (yh0zB)

84 83 GGW of the Moron Horde @3:58,

I'll sit that effort out. Placing faith in Cutler is a lot like faith in Butterfly Wings, and they're not reliable things.

http://youtu.be/qI6V6VD56n8

Machines of Loving Grace Butterfly Wings

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 12:01 PM (9jfyN)

85 Good thing Lions and Bears can't interbreed because the Lions just gave the Bears a good f**king

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 12:01 PM (b7yum)

86 I was gonna suggest some alternate occupations for those Bears players but the Dolphins don't need that many waterboys

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 12:04 PM (b7yum)

87 Gay Ming thread up. Iron man is very concerned.

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 12:05 PM (b7yum)

88 Navy Cop Joe needs to show up for his massive ridicule that he brought upon himself.

Posted by: JO at September 29, 2013 12:06 PM (i7KmQ)

89 Tomorrow I order another Stag Arms AR-15 Lower, just to slide in under the new Maryland gun ban.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 29, 2013 12:07 PM (e347Q)

90 Hi Gingy, just got back from Dover, so missed most of the thread.
Did Dave try Thunderstick inc, just north of the Md line for magazines?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 29, 2013 12:11 PM (e347Q)

91 92 Why not get an 80%???

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 12:20 PM (b7yum)

92 That's a Sten, right?

Posted by: Bluto at September 29, 2013 12:21 PM (C8V2U)

93 No rush VIA, it'll still be there when she goes to assemble the weapon.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 29, 2013 12:22 PM (jt8G9)

94 The Sten is also featured in The Ten Commandments, Spartacus, and of course, Wuthering Heights.

Posted by: Bluto at September 29, 2013 12:23 PM (C8V2U)

95 Dave,
I would have to get the remainder of the receiver completed by monday, and just don't have the time.

So, I am cheating, and solving the issue with money instead of brains on my end.

On the plus side,following the 2A issues on mdshooters.com, it looks like it could be popcorn and soda time coming up.

Anyhow, had a nice visit to Thunderstick in Fawn Grove PA last week.
May have to head up there for some mags in a week or two.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 29, 2013 12:25 PM (e347Q)

96 A bit off topic...

KIKO!!!!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 29, 2013 12:31 PM (celt+)

97 85 Oh that's the STIG

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 12:33 PM (b7yum)

98 Can some of you tell me where you have had these tragic boat accidents with your guns because I'm thinking of getting my scuba certification so I can go gun collecting. Plus, I need to go look for my guns that I lost in an unfortunate boating accident.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at September 29, 2013 12:35 PM (BXLPR)

99 OT -- I had my 4-month-old male kitten neutered last Monday. Does anyone know how long I have to leave that cone collar on him? He hates it, and it messes up his balance, but I also don't want him hurting himself if I take it off too early.

Posted by: Empire1 at September 29, 2013 12:36 PM (et5ZX)

100 Empire, Until the vet gives the clear or the stitches are taken out. If it didn't have any stitches, I would think the cone could come off as long as there is no bleeding or other discharges, but call the vet first.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at September 29, 2013 12:41 PM (BXLPR)

101 99 Taro Tsujimoto @4:31,

http://youtu.be/Wz-mJed_bP0

Kikkoman Fight!

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 29, 2013 12:42 PM (9jfyN)

102 AJPS -- Thanks. No, he's had no problems (well, except with the collar), and the tiny incisions look healed, but yes, I'll check with my regular vet tomorrow. (She recommended the Delaware SPCA, since they do a whole lot more cats than she does -- her primary patients are military working dogs, then pets for AD/retired military.) Ghost is the first male critter I've won this discussion about, but I was pretty sure the males healed a lot faster than a female would from spaying, but the instructions they hand out made no distinction.

Posted by: Empire1 at September 29, 2013 12:53 PM (et5ZX)

103 My doctor put a cone like that around my waist once but it was for a different reason

Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 01:00 PM (b7yum)

104 #106 Well, if you don't love yourself no one else will.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 29, 2013 01:15 PM (qvify)

105 DAve -- ROFLMAO! And Ghost is looking at me funny.

Posted by: Empire1 at September 29, 2013 01:18 PM (et5ZX)

106 I already have my scuba certification so where did all these tragic accidents happen?

Posted by: lindafell at September 29, 2013 01:20 PM (PGO8C)

107 106 My doctor put a cone like that around my waist once but it was for a different reason Posted by: DAve at September 29, 2013 05:00 PM (b7yum) Most boring month we ever had.

Posted by: Ghosts at DAve's House at September 29, 2013 01:32 PM (BXLPR)

108 That featured weapon... is that one of those AR-15 shotguns I've read about? By the way, the pic is badly formatted on the comments page. Looks okay in the front page preview and the by-itself post page, though, and this seems 'way late for it not to be fixed, so maybe it's me?

Posted by: mindful webworker - bringing a pen to a swordfight at September 29, 2013 02:00 PM (U13jb)

109 Always thought that was a crazy little gun. Almost impossible to hit something.

Posted by: pat at September 29, 2013 02:17 PM (KCg4m)

110 109 I already have my scuba certification so where did all these tragic accidents happen? Posted by: lindafell Smith Lake, Aabama, right at the deepest point, just about 300'. We had the flatbottom loaded to the gills and damn if it didn't tump over as we tried to go across to get to the other side.

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion at September 29, 2013 02:43 PM (IanLz)

111 "112 Always thought that was a crazy little gun. Almost impossible to hit something.

Posted by: pat at September 29, 2013 06:17 PM (KCg4m)"

It is not hard to hit something with a Sten gun. It is just hard to hit something in particular.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 29, 2013 02:59 PM (31Nrp)

112 Obnoxious A-hole
True enough.

Posted by: pat at September 29, 2013 03:14 PM (KCg4m)

113 You can make your own semi-auto version with a parts kit and a piece of pipe you drill out yourself to make the receiver. Heavy as hell, but they shoot up a storm!

Posted by: Scot at September 29, 2013 03:44 PM (JY4/x)

114 Something doesn't look kosher about the muzzle of the Sten gun pictured. It appears to have a "bird cage" flash suppressor, something that no original Sten ever had.

Anybody interested in the history of the Sten machine carbine (Brit for submachine gun), should get a copy of Collector Grade Publications' "The Sten Machine Carbine" by Peter Laidler.

Posted by: Chris Morton at September 29, 2013 04:28 PM (bd/2L)

115 I'm not sure that I'd put STEN and awesome in the same sentence. The guys that actually had to use them in combat would ditch them for a German MP40 or an American M3 "Grease Gun" (Source: Pegasus Bridge)

Posted by: Max Entropy at September 29, 2013 04:42 PM (Hc0n6)

116 The Tommy gun was better in some ways. It at least could be aimed for a 25 yard (standard pistol open sight range) hit. But it did so a great weight. Always an eye opener for a first timer picking one up. The 200 round magazine tended to be useless and irritating. It had to be hand loaded and then cranked. It was noisy. People simply preferred the M1 carbine, particularly in the Pacific. The Tommy also had another problem. It was very expensive to make. About $10K in today's dollars. Ridiculous. That is why the grease gun came about. Almost in .30 Carbine . The M2 was the answer to that desire. While both the soldiers stationed in Europe and those in the Philippines complained about the .30 stopping power, it was actually superior to the .45ACP, you just took a bit longer to realize you were hit. My father told me while those who were issued the gun complained about stopping power, no one ever traded for the Garand. LOL. You just hung next to a guy that had to carry one.

Posted by: pat at September 29, 2013 05:45 PM (KCg4m)

117

I liked the M3 more than the Thompson It's slow rate of fire made it easier to control. If it wasn't for the sear wear problem it would have been perfect. Never drop an M3 if it had a worn sear.

Posted by: Gran Pa Fibbz at September 29, 2013 07:12 PM (toLuP)

118 Dead thread, I know, but I gotta comment. I saw a tanker in the chow line at a Ft. Hood mess hall with an M3 over his shoulder. That was in 1982--the gun was older than I was....

Posted by: Jenk at September 30, 2013 02:59 AM (8xKUx)

119

The magazine came out the side to allow the gun to be fired from a foxhole or fortification without exposing most of the shooter. Not sure if it's true, the caliber was 9mm luger as the brits captured millions of rounds in North Africa. The color was black as that makes it more lethal.

Posted by: Hilary's mighty ankles at September 30, 2013 03:06 AM (csnnJ)

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