April 26, 2013

Oh Man I Feel So Sorry For Women
— Ace

Dove did an ad, intended to go viral, putting across the message "Hey Ladies, you're more beautiful than you think."

Now, think about this. Dove does not know any of these 30 million women. So Dove could not possibly say if these women are more beautiful than they believe themselves to be.

It's the equivalent of telling ten thousand randomly-drawn strangers: Remember, you're all above average in skating ability.

Wait, how would you know? Is that even possible? Would the laws of statistical distribution ever permit all 10,000 of randomly-selected persons to all be above-average in ice skating?

And yet, thirty million views. Women are starved for this sort of positive messaging, even when, if you think about if for five seconds, 1, it doesn't make any sense that Dove could tell you this about yourself and 2, Dove is obviously a corporation attempting to get attention by peddling an embarrassingly-transparently cloying-ingratiating message to women in hopes they're so starved for a kind word they'll take it anyway.

So it worked. I'm not blaming women for this; it is different for girls, and a single virtue, beauty, is far more central to their sense of self worth than any single virtue is to a man.

I just wish there were some way to escape the situation.* Because seriously? An empty greeting-card sentiment sent out to anonymously to millions of women via the indiscriminate delivery system of the internet by the corporate brand-building department of a soulless NYC advertising firm? **

And yet for 30 million women, and counting, this is Good News.

* I only know what it's not: More soft-headed bubblegum philosophy about Negative Body Image, Serious You Guys from the feminists.


** In addition, it's a set-up: The sketch artist is part of the campaign, and knows the point of the campaign is that the Friend's Description is supposed to be prettier than the Self Description. So, like, he knows when to make someone look better and when to make someone look worse.

More: Virginia Postrel lodges a number of the same objections I do, and then adds a few more.


Posted by: Ace at 01:29 PM | Comments (293)
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1 Meh, I use Ivory.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2013 01:31 PM (XYSwB)

2 40 years of feminism has destroyed the self-image of women, and has made them call into question their self-worth.

Way to go!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 01:32 PM (/WLC3)

3 Considering the competition in the MSM, yes, it *is* good news. ...which, of course, is sad.

Posted by: Tesh at April 26, 2013 01:32 PM (cnjni)

4 "it is different for girls, and a single virtue, beauty, is far more central to their sense of self worth than any single virtue is to a man."

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Really? You don't think the ability to provide or the ability to attract a mate ranks up there?

Posted by: Michael at April 26, 2013 01:32 PM (Y/HG5)

5 1 artisanal same

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 26, 2013 01:32 PM (GVxQo)

6 For men, I mean.

Posted by: Michael at April 26, 2013 01:33 PM (Y/HG5)

7 Do they have a campaign for guys with small dicks?

Posted by: Skinny, mom-jeans wearing hipster dude at April 26, 2013 01:33 PM (YmPwQ)

8 I'm glad I don't have to depend on Dove for my positive self-esteem.

And their soap sucks.  I prefer Caress. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 01:33 PM (lVPtV)

9 Q: Why do women wear makeup and perfume?
A: Because they're ugly and they stink.

Posted by: fb at April 26, 2013 01:33 PM (JVEmw)

10 For the 4,356,983 time...I'm so very happy to be a man.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 01:33 PM (GEICT)

11 I'm not going to feel beautiful just because some nameless faceless entity tells me that I am. Heck, even when someone I know and trust tells me I look good, I'm usually not in agreement unless I was leaning that way to begin with. Sometimes I look in the mirror and think, "Meh." Other times, "Eek!" Other times, "Girl, you're looking pretty good today." Sure, I'm vain and want to be thought of as good-looking, but really, who cares?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:34 PM (6zgse)

12 I don't understand women, never have, never will and this just confirms my ignorance

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at April 26, 2013 01:34 PM (HVff2)

13 My wife uses Dove. On the dishes.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 26, 2013 01:34 PM (staER)

14

 

i've always felt the regular use of soap makes everyone more beautiful

Posted by: kj at April 26, 2013 01:34 PM (4E+Jf)

15 Since we 'ettes are sharing, I myself generally use Bath and Body Works body washes.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:34 PM (6zgse)

16 30 million different women did not view this. Helen Thomas viewed it 30 million times.

Posted by: Helen Thomas' wheel-barrow toted labia at April 26, 2013 01:34 PM (xA8Em)

17 10 For the 4,356,983 time...I'm so very happy to be a man. Amen and amen.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 26, 2013 01:35 PM (staER)

18
Wait, let's try something here...

Dove Obama 2008/2012 is obviously a corporation attempting to get attention by peddling an embarrassingly-transparently cloying-ingratiating message to women in hopes they're so starved for a kind word they'll take it anyway.

I think it's still true, yes?

Posted by: soothsayer at April 26, 2013 01:35 PM (bUM4g)

19 If it's another ad campaign with women in their underwear, I'll view it. Yay feminism!

Posted by: ALittleEnglish at April 26, 2013 01:35 PM (VDsQI)

20 10 For the 4,356,983 time...I'm so very happy to be a man.



Heh.  I had an emergency run to the store this morning because we were out of kitteh food (they'll kill me later in my sleep). 

I wouldn't even back the car out of the garage, wearing sunglasses, without mascara and lipstick.  Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 01:35 PM (lVPtV)

21 Oh I can buy it. It isn't as shameless as the "war on women", and that worked pretty well too.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 26, 2013 01:36 PM (r60DJ)

22 Can someone help me with my self-esteem here? Heh.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 26, 2013 01:36 PM (b1mOf)

23 Beauty is more than skin deep.

Posted by: Kathy Griffin at April 26, 2013 01:36 PM (8ZskC)

24 And as a man the world is our urinal, ahh

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at April 26, 2013 01:36 PM (HVff2)

25 I use Lever 2000....not Dove.

Posted by: wheatie at April 26, 2013 01:36 PM (3B3wv)

26 So wait...you,re saying I'm not pretty? Fuck youuuuuuuu!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 26, 2013 01:36 PM (ZshNr)

27 I use Dove. The kind with the sand in it or something. It's some good shit.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (hpYnL)

28 Could have been worse.

"Hey Ladies, you're all 10s at closing time."

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (wrS2o)

29 Most people can look attractive if they dress well and keep clean (assuming your belly isn't so big that you have to tuck it under your belt - at a certain point of fatness... not even God can stand to look at you).

Posted by: Josef at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (Kd2Tr)

30 Heh. I had an emergency run to the store this morning because we were out of kitteh food (they'll kill me later in my sleep). I wouldn't even back the car out of the garage, wearing sunglasses, without mascara and lipstick. Sigh. Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 05:35 PM (lVPtV) Tshirt, shorts, flip flops, hat. I can be out the door in under 90 seconds.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (GEICT)

31 >>>Really? You don't think the ability to provide or the ability to attract a mate ranks up there? but there are several ways to skin that cat. With women I think it's more loaded on the one variable of beauty. Not 100%, of course. but beauty is more central to a woman's sense of self-worth than to the average man, who is permitted to fulfill any one of several slots for being considered worthy. (Of course handsome men get all the girls.)

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (LCRYB)

32 I love Dove Bars! And their dark chocolate squares ... heck I like the milk chocolate squares too!!!!!

Posted by: Adriane is not Julia Child and can't cook for beans ... at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (TvO05)

33

Blame gay men in fashion and the media.  They're the ones who've been telling women for decades that they need to look like young drug addicted boys to be beautiful, peddling bizarre fashions and encouraging a hedonistic lifestyle of soulless hookups and materialism.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (lr3d7)

34

I'm not blaming women for this; it is different for girls, and a single virtue, beauty, is far more central to their sense of self worth than any single virtue is to a man.

 

Unless you're blessed with a really big dick.

Posted by: toby928 at April 26, 2013 01:37 PM (evdj2)

35 15 Since we 'ettes are sharing, I myself generally use Bath and Body Works body washes.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 05:34 PM (6zgse



Yes.  And Ulta has some great ones as well.  But right now I'm addicted to Caress' White Peach and Silky Orange Blossom. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (lVPtV)

36 I'll put on my contrarian hat here and say that I like the Dove campaign for real beauty.  The message I have come away with, the message that I believe they are trying to convey, is that character , life experience, and a generous spirit are what makes a woman beautiful.  Not body shape.  Not hair color or eye color or toned abs or lush lips.  Not the external.  More than the external.

I like that.

So pile on.

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (P6QsQ)

37

It's advertisements like this that drive our 'ettes through the doggie door.

Posted by: Soona at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (cVg5z)

38 Home in three days. Don't wash!

Posted by: Napoleon's Ghost at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (xA8Em)

39 24 And as a man the world is our urinal, ahh Get off my lawn!!

Posted by: fluffy at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (24kYF)

40 I think (a certain group of) women really need to stop obsessing over being women. It's great to be a chick (at least for me), so just enjoy it without developing additional neuroses. (A certain background level of neuroses, many based on purely imaginary things, is normal.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (6zgse)

41 New ad slogan..."Even an old barn looks better w/a fresh coat of paint."

Posted by: BignJames at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (H9MGI)

42 I watch so little TV that their ads mean noting to me. Don't look at them on the Internet either.

Posted by: Vic at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (53z96)

43 Because really, I've known some guys with no other positive attributes and they have to beat the women off of themselves.  And not all skanks either.

Posted by: toby928 at April 26, 2013 01:38 PM (evdj2)

44 I use Chicken of the Sea for douching and potpourri. Huma digs it.

Posted by: Hillary C. at April 26, 2013 01:39 PM (YmPwQ)

45 And Ulta has some great ones as well. But right now I'm addicted to Caress' White Peach and Silky Orange Blossom.


I think I drank that once on a cruise.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 26, 2013 01:39 PM (8ZskC)

46 Some how I grew up loving myself. My parents were a good part of that. This ad is preying on the weak, for sure. But, I'm sure an ad could be done exactly like this with men. AKA Bowflex.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2013 01:39 PM (XYSwB)

47
Before I used liquid body soap, I used Tone because it smells nice.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 26, 2013 01:39 PM (bUM4g)

48 Girls: my esthetician told me today that if you are still using the same stuff on your face for years (creams), out of loyalty or whatever, that it has stopped working.* She seemed to know her chemistry/products of different brands when quizzed. Said it was like shampoo, sometimes you need to change brands.

*Important breaking beauty news from aging supermodel since Ace brought it up.

Boys: the most important thing you can tell your favorite lady is that you love her as she is. Never say the fat word, never. Never compare her to old girlfriends.Tell her you like the way she looks without makeup. Either my husband is a big liar or he is smart (maybe both). Also, as I have said before, babies, like puppies, are girl magnets (if you have a niece or nephew to borrow). I was sold the minute I witnessed my husband, who I had dated off and on for a year, give a baby girl some attention and play with her. That was the ticket to my heart.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (baL2B)

49 30M hits? How many hits would it have gotten if Kate Upton was in the video?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (staER)

50 Irish Spring. It floats. That makes bathing 4 kids so much easier.

Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (wsGWu)

51 Tshirt, shorts, flip flops, hat. I can be out the door in under 90 seconds. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 05:37 PM (GEICT) *** Skip the T-shirt and the shorts and you can cut that down to 30 seconds max.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (GQQ4n)

52 Reposting from last thread:


These people have no self-awareness....


@whitehouse

RT if you agree: The only person who should get to make decisions about your health is you.



With a link to this pic: http://tinyurl.com/clywump

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (X6akg)

53 Kurt Russell is right(in the sidebar).I'm sick of Brit or Aussie actors playing American heroes.Where the hell is the American tough guy lead?Got to be someone out there.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (9XBK2)

54
I love the ads for men.

wait a sec...

Posted by: soothsayer at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (bUM4g)

55 Really? You don't think the ability to provide or the ability to attract a mate ranks up there?
Posted by: Michael

To be fair, Michael Douglas landed Katherine Zeta-Jones, so I'm pretty much convinced there is no justice.

Posted by: pep at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (6TB1Z)

56 I watch so little TV that their ads mean noting to me. Don't look at them on the Internet either.

Posted by: Vic at April 26, 2013 05:38 PM (53z96)


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I saw the ads at church, when we were doing a series on the messages we send our young daughters about beauty and worth and body image.

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (P6QsQ)

57 Any woman who calls herself mamma winger must be beautiful

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (HVff2)

58 Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 05:38 PM (P6QsQ) Nice thoughts, Mama Winger.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (INYkK)

59 >>>Where the hell is the American tough guy lead?Got to be someone out there. I can be on the set in an hour.

Posted by: Michael Cera at April 26, 2013 01:40 PM (LCRYB)

60

Ladies, you look absolutely, stunningly beautiful.

 

 

 

 

 

Now show us your tits!

Posted by: Name Redacted Because Bobbit at April 26, 2013 01:41 PM (4I3Uo)

61

Dove stinks / smells s---- and leaves a film on my skin.

Who gives a crap about what some old and not so old hags think (besides those old and not so old hags, I mean).

I'm sure they just paid this guy and told him to look at the pics the old and not so old hags drew and make them about 15% better looking. 

Posted by: Boston at April 26, 2013 01:41 PM (kduZC)

62 In a slight defense of Dove -- the message was that women judge themselves harsher than a stranger would. So it is technically possible for most women to be more beautiful than they think they are if women are systematically biased in believing they are uglier than they are. It's the whole being your own worst critic thing. If the average woman thinks she's below average then they could mostly be wrong. Not all. All women could be taller than they think they are if they systematically think they are 2 inches shorter than reality. It could happen.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 26, 2013 01:41 PM (R+6Q+)

63 A hundred years ago, girls were taught they should be thrifty and industrious and honorable and honest and kind, etc, etc.  Now they're taught they should be hawt (and loose).

*shrug*
Don't look at me, I'm hideous.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at April 26, 2013 01:41 PM (hO8IJ)

64 48 Girls: my esthetician told me today that if you are still using the same stuff on your face for years (creams), out of loyalty or whatever, that it has stopped working.* She seemed to know her chemistry/products of different brands when quizzed. Said it was like shampoo, sometimes you need to change brands.



I believe that.  I change skin care and shampoo about every six months to a year, if it doesn't seem to be "working its magic."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 01:41 PM (lVPtV)

65 Blame gay men in fashion and the media. They're the ones who've been telling women for decades that they need to look like young drug addicted boys to be beautiful, peddling bizarre fashions and encouraging a hedonistic lifestyle of soulless hookups and materialism.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2013 05:37 PM




That is sooo true.

Posted by: Berserker at April 26, 2013 01:41 PM (FMbng)

66 Dove stinks / smells s---- and leaves a film on my skin.


Brake fluid takes that shit right off.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 26, 2013 01:42 PM (8ZskC)

67 Any woman who calls herself mamma winger must be beautiful
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**blushing**



Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 01:42 PM (P6QsQ)

68 To be fair, Michael Douglas landed Katherine Zeta-Jones, so I'm pretty much convinced there is no justice. Posted by: pep at April 26, 2013 05:40 PM (6TB1Z) And that snozzberries kid from Super Troopers landed Christina Hendricks.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 01:42 PM (GEICT)

69 Heh. If women only knew how soap is made.

Posted by: Hog carcasses piled as high as u can see at April 26, 2013 01:42 PM (xA8Em)

70 >> For the 4,356,983 time...I'm so very happy to be a man.
 
I made that comment just the other day. It was in regard to the enormous amount of time women in general spend on primping. I, on the other hand, take those countless saved hours and use them for more productive activities:
 
Scratching my balls, picking my nose, and looking at pics of well primped girls.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (ccXZP)

71 I'll put on my contrarian hat here and say that I like the Dove campaign for real beauty. The message I have come away with, the message that I believe they are trying to convey, is that character , life experience, and a generous spirit are what makes a woman beautiful. Not body shape. Not hair color or eye color or toned abs or lush lips. Not the external. More than the external. I like that. So pile on. Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 05:38 PM (P6QsQ) Sure it's the internal stuff that really counts. But we women tend to be attached to our looks (in general). And some people are just not physically beautiful, and that's OK. I view natural physical beauty the same way I view any other innate talent, e.g., musical or artistic talent. (I'm talking about the baseline talent, not the work it takes to hone the skill.) Just because someone is beautiful doesn't make him (or her) better or worse, just as being able to sing doesn't determine one's worth. It just means the person is good-looking.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (6zgse)

72 And the guy parody one is just your standard men suck and are assholes brand of comedy. It also oddly presents Ed Norton as some paragon of male beauty. I get the Brad Pitt, Clooney example. Ed Norton is the type of guy who is, as they say, a leading man actor with a character actor's face.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (R+6Q+)

73 You will never see an ad like this geared towards men because all men KNOW they are in shape. Yes ladies, round is a shape.

Posted by: Midaz at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (pbWXF)

74 It puts the Dove on the skin or it gets the hose again.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie with his dick and balls pushed backed between his legs at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (Ec6wH)

75 Maybe Dove can run their campaign by Gweneth Paltrowe per People she's a diva

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (HVff2)

76 36 I'll put on my contrarian hat here and say that I like the Dove campaign for real beauty. The message I have come away with, the message that I believe they are trying to convey, is that character , life experience, and a generous spirit are what makes a woman beautiful. Not body shape. Not hair color or eye color or toned abs or lush lips. Not the external. More than the external.

I like that.

Well sure, that and really big sweater zeppelins.

Posted by: pep at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (6TB1Z)

77 But...it's sciency.  They got a real FBI forensic artist and everything!

Eh, I tell my lady she's beautiful all the time.  She IS beautiful, but I like saying it, and it makes her happy to hear me say it.  Would it mean the same coming from Dove Corp Inc International LLC?  Nope.  Would it remind her of the times I've said it, and make her happy?  Maybe?

Women likes it, they do.  It works.  Good job ad-men.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (8ifMA)

78 One ad that I have seen a lot of and am sick of is on Fox.  All those damn gold advertisements.

Posted by: Vic at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (53z96)

79 O/T

Fox just showed a HUGE gator aggressively approaching a golf cart at a tournament in N'awlins, I believe. 

We've got plenty of gators around here, but they tend to be shy.

Yikes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (lVPtV)

80 Scratching my balls, picking my nose, and looking at pics of well primped girls. Posted by: GnuBreed at April 26, 2013 05:43 PM (ccXZP) If women only knew how great it feels to scratch your own balls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 26, 2013 01:43 PM (jE38p)

81 @ Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2013 05:39 PM (XYSwB)

Agree. My parents thought I was fabulous. Especially Daddy, as I cracked him up. He knew I did not take any crap from goobers and rarely dated. Having parents who love you makes a huge difference in your self esteem.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (baL2B)

82 On one hand, yeah it's shameless pandering.  However, adolescence has hit my oldest daughter pretty hard.  It looks like last year was her last carefree year of playing at the beach and in the pool.  Now she's continually talking about how she hates her body, she's too fat, etc.  Mind you, she still wears size 12 in girls clothing. She's not even big enough to wear juniors yet.  She's an archer, played volleyball,  and has recently gotten into running.  She's not some cheese puff eating couch potato. I just wish I could convince her she's got nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Ruby at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (vt4Ip)

83 I believe that. I change skin care and shampoo about every six months to a year, if it doesn't seem to be "working its magic."



My magic petered out in the 1930's.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (8ZskC)

84

*shrug*
Don't look at me, I'm hideous.

 

No you're not.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (lr3d7)

85 Tshirt Did someone mention t-shirts*? *waiting to toss a Ace a Benjamin

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (XYSwB)

86 Makes sense but your point doesn't hold if they are only telling them they are prettier than they think, Ace. Obviously 10,000 representative members of the public can't possibly be "above average", but it is possible, logically possible at least, that there is a prevailing sentiment among women. So perhaps 90% do think they are uglier than they think, Dove still doesn't know all the recipients of that message and some of those recipients will be in the 10% of others. But the message is still logically sound, and can be largely relevant. Not that it is, I'm not a woman and don't speak with enough to know. Just talking possibilities here.

Posted by: .87c at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (dGrG1)

87 Looking to TV to make you feel good about yourself is a dead give away you're a loser and have a hole in your life the size of Boehner's lust for martinis.

Posted by: mare at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (A98Xu)

88 78 One ad that I have seen a lot of and am sick of is on Fox. All those damn gold advertisements.

Posted by: Vic at April 26, 2013 05:43 PM (53z96)


I could do without erectile dysfunction commercials.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 01:44 PM (baL2B)

89

And, it's not like Michaelangelo and all those re-nay-sauce artists weren't being paid to make those hideously overweight and ugly dago bishops and aristo's to paint out better than they actually looked, you know.

So, this crap is nothing new.

Old and Fat Medici broad after looking at her new portrait  circa 1400 AD, "Dang, I'm better looking and skinnier than I thought". 

 

How is that any diff than this Dove bait and switch?

Posted by: Boston at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (kduZC)

90 Tell her you like the way she looks without makeup. Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 05:40 PM (baL2B) Eh. I'm usually skeptical of such statements and generally don't believe them (even if I can acknowledge that the guy may be speaking the truth as he believes it). Make-up does wonders.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (6zgse)

91

47
Before I used liquid body soap, I used Tone because it smells nice.

 

Me too! ...I loved that stuff. Can't find it anymore, though.

 


 

Posted by: wheatie at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (3B3wv)

92 I gravitate toward women who don't wear makeup. If they look good, they always look good, and there are no surprises.

Posted by: fb at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (JVEmw)

93 You  want  soap?  I  got  soap!

Posted by: Tyler Durden at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (kKzNI)

94
Are you TIRED a lot?

Would you like to have a Flatter Stomach?

Are you not Energetic in the Bedroom ?

Would you like to feel like 20 Years Old again?

Are your Erections disappointing?

Well, if you answered yes to all those questions (just like all men over 40 would) then you might have Low Testosterone!





Posted by: the best product for men evah at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (bUM4g)

95 Eh, it's doves desperate attempt to fix all the shit extreme feminism as brought upon women. BTW, the Barbasol commercials with old time men questioning modern mens manliness are damn funny, and accurate.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (oBhEo)

96 Mama winger, I agree, I think the ad is simply saying not to sell yourself short, and that women tend to be to overly critical of themselves. I didn't read much more into it then that.

Posted by: Spypeach at April 26, 2013 01:45 PM (6xG9/)

97 Perhaps the message Dove is trying to get across is that women are more beautiful than they think they are because true beauty is on the inside? No? Because Progress. Ok, then.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (f3/nl)

98 The Hardee's/Carl's Jr. ads have been geared towards men, and are just as transparently stupid, but they keep airing them so they must be working as well. See, not too far from Idiocrisy. We're almost there.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (r60DJ)

99 I could do without erectile dysfunction.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (Ec6wH)

100 I could do without erectile dysfunction commercials. Second that and I could also do without ladies "freshness" commercials.

Posted by: Midaz at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (pbWXF)

101 As for soap, I buy cheap generic soap from Walmart.

Posted by: Vic at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (53z96)

102 >>>I wouldn't even back the car out of the garage, wearing sunglasses, without mascara and lipstick. Sigh.

Women have only used cosmetics for like 6000 years. At this point you aren't fighting you, you're fighting the woman most likely to get laid and have a healthy family thousands of years ago.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (0q2P7)

103 Here. *hands HeatherRadish a beer*

Posted by: L, elle at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (0PiQ4)

104 One ad that I have seen a lot of and am sick of is on Fox. All those damn gold advertisements. Rubbing gold on your face is kinda weird ...

Posted by: Adriane is not Julia Child and can't cook for beans ... at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (TvO05)

105

Personally I like it when a woman has high self-esteem  so anything that may assist getting there is okay by me.   Its probably the same attraction a   woman has for a man that has confidence.

 

Unfortuantely I think women  frequently mistake douchebagness for confidence.  

 

'rettes what would be the equivalent on the male side of the mistake?  Personally I think guys can identify  when  self esteem  goes  into  puntiness.

Posted by: polynikes at April 26, 2013 01:46 PM (m2CN7)

106 Posted by: Tami at April 26, 2013 05:40 PM (X6akg) I guess the point of the pic is continue encouraging black women and girls to abort their babies. (Aside from noticing the irony of having the nation's #1 politician in the pic.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:47 PM (6zgse)

107 I also gravitate to women who don't need make-up, or as I like to call them, college sophomores. Unfortunately they no longer gravitate to me.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 26, 2013 01:47 PM (R+6Q+)

108 But is the soap so awesome that it causes women to break into your house to use it? Ms Soto should be the spokeswoman for THAT brand.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 26, 2013 01:47 PM (8/zF9)

109

You will never see an ad like this geared towards men because all men KNOW they are in shape.

 

Dave Barry said something along the lines of, "A man can have a pot belly that can house commercial airliners, BO that will knock a horse down at ten yards, a grand total of eight greasy hairs, which he grows long and combs over his balding head like a spider on top of an egg, and he'll still consider his attractiveness on the level of Don Johnson."

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2013 01:47 PM (lr3d7)

110 I watch all ads, and note the selling points for my spreadsheets. You can't be too informed as a consumer. In other news, I get a news feed yesterday from Mark Levin where he mentions Hannity. So I says, Mark, just because Hannity kisses your ass doesn't mean you have to mention him. Now I'm banned.

Posted by: Up with people! at April 26, 2013 01:47 PM (FmFB3)

111 Just because someone is beautiful doesn't make him (or her) better or worse, just as being able to sing doesn't determine one's worth. It just means the person is good-looking.

I try to avoid the stereotypes, and that includes the idea that good looking people are all self-absorbed jerks.  Nonetheless, I do believe that being a few sigma out on the plus side of the bell curve warps people, so that they can't tell what people are rewarding, their looks or their true worth.  It sounds absurd, but it's probably not good to be to good looking. 

Posted by: pep at April 26, 2013 01:47 PM (6TB1Z)

112

Where the hell is the American tough guy lead?Got to be someone out there.

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Brian Dennehy?

Posted by: Soona at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (cVg5z)

113 Where the hell is the American tough guy lead?Got to be someone out there.

Posted by: steevy

BAM! just BAM!

Posted by: David Sirota [/i] [/b] at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (Yr6sH)

114 Polynikes, when your instagram stream is nothing but 500 topless pictures, you've crossed the line.

Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (wsGWu)

115 What's sad is that after he draws you he robs you, with his penis.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (3+QKS)

116 I started becoming allergic to almost all soaps when I reached my forties. These included Dove and Ivory. I've been using Purpose bar soap for quite sometime--found out about it through a dermatologist. Costs a bit, but it does its job and doesn't give me itchy alligator skin like most of the rest.

Posted by: baldilocks at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (Su0W2)

117 but beauty is more central to a woman's sense of self-worth than to the average man

Possibly because that's how women are judged.  Look how we slag incompetent women in high positions here every day--not by how utterly fucking horrible they are at their jobs, but by how they look.  "Cankles" is not an epithet about her grifting, lying, trading a pardon for terrorists for a Senate seat, or myriad failures as Secretary of State; surely there's something to criticize in all that instead of criticizing her legs.

*shrug*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (hO8IJ)

118 >>>Obviously 10,000 representative members of the public can't possibly be "above average", but it is possible, logically possible at least, that there is a prevailing sentiment among women. Possibly... but then I just think most people are average looking, by definition. I suppose it could still be true that most women are average looking (as they must be) but think they're a little below average looking. But I think the thrust of the ad is to tell women they're mostly above-average looking. Eh I don't know. If you found the ad uplifting then that's cool. It's not so much about the ad as about feeling a little bad for women for wanting to see the ad. As in, I do feel bad that for whatever reason women are down on themselves.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (LCRYB)

119

While it is a nice message...

 

They're trying to sell soap!

 

C'mon now.

They're using a touchy-feely, sentimental, consciousness-raising theme...to sell soap.

 

Just tell us why your product is better than the others.

Leave politics out of it.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (3B3wv)

120 Have not bought laundry soap for two years. Make it myself. No complaints from me or wifey.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 26, 2013 01:48 PM (xA8Em)

121 I can be out the door in under 90 seconds.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 05:37 PM (GEICT)

And thank God for that!

Posted by: BCochran's wife at April 26, 2013 01:49 PM (/WLC3)

122 >>>I started becoming allergic to almost all soaps when I reached my forties. These included Dove and Ivory. I've been using Purpose bar soap for quite sometime--found out about it through a dermatologist. I stopped showering. I just soak my clothing in Febreeze.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 01:49 PM (LCRYB)

123 Boys: the most important thing you can tell your favorite lady is that you love her as she is. ....... Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 05:40 PM (baL2B) (Been married 40 years, FYI). I did that. Mixed results. I think women put on paint to impress other women, sometimes. I have noticed, though, that it's also a good idea to ask if she did something with her hair, because it looks good.

Posted by: jwb7605 ([i][u]Let it Burn[/u][/i])[/s][/b] at April 26, 2013 01:49 PM (Qxe/p)

124 Sorry ladies, Dove doesn't beat gravity

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (ZfBzk)

125 I guess we should have looked at this method before pissing off half the world with our "suicide attempt" commercial

Posted by: Hyundai Marketing Dept at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (mCvL4)

126 122 That works.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (9XBK2)

127 Beauty may fade, but stupid is forever. Never marry stupid. No matter what gender you are...

Posted by: JQP at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (GVL0g)

128 I gravitate toward women who don't wear makeup. If they look good, they always look good, and there are no surprises. Posted by: fb at April 26, 2013 05:45 PM (JVEmw) Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (jE38p)

129 This thread is turning soooooo ghey.

Posted by: Soona at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (cVg5z)

130 Well, you have to admit that what they did was better than the alternative:

"Hey, Ladies. You're probably average looking but you might not be. Try some Dove to see if layers of dead skin and oil are your only problem. Who knows... you might clean up real nice."

So the marketing team went with the more positive spin. Probably a good idea.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (eHIJJ)

131 http://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/white-knight.jpeg

Posted by: OK at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (xLOqo)

132 but, assuming he really didn't look at the women, the fact that the 2nd sketches the ones where others were describing them match more closely what the women look like does say something.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (RZ8pf)

133 Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 05:48 PM (wsGWu)

Yup.

400 should be the max.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (/WLC3)

134 Personality goes a long way. And alcohol.

Posted by: fb at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (JVEmw)

135

Meanwhile, our much-less-beautiful-than-she-thinks-she-is First Lady shows her customary grace... http://preview.tinyurl.com/cq3u7an

Posted by: Pipboy 3000 at April 26, 2013 01:50 PM (ggRof)

136 Sorry ladies, Dove doesn't beat gravity Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 26, 2013 05:50 PM (ZfBzk) Sure it does. Ya stick a bar in the bottom of each cup on the bra

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 26, 2013 01:51 PM (jE38p)

137 But obviously telling females (and males) that their (and females') worth (and therefore, implicitly, continued existence) is contingent upon their ability to arouse large numbers of strangers will inevitably lead to a few things: 1. Women allocating more of their time and resources to "beautification schemes" instead of more productive and less socially-destructive endeavors. 2. A society of attractive idiots. Especially in the long run.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 01:51 PM (f3/nl)

138 I gravitate toward women who I think don't wear makeup. If they look good, they always look good, and there are no surprises. Posted by: fb at April 26, 2013 05:45 PM (JVEmw) FIFY. Sometimes, getting the natural look with makeup takes a long time. I submit that most non-gay and non-metro guys cannot tell a woman is wearing makeup unless she applies it with a trowel or it's something obvious like evening makeup.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:51 PM (6zgse)

139 Personality goes a long way. And alcohol. Posted by: fb at April 26, 2013 05:50 PM (JVEmw) And money is the honey

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 26, 2013 01:51 PM (jE38p)

140 I stopped showering. I just soak my clothing in Febreeze.


Febreeze costs money.  Towelettes are free at KFC.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 26, 2013 01:51 PM (8ZskC)

141 I stopped showering. I just soak my clothing in Febreeze. Now that there is teh funneh!

Posted by: Midaz at April 26, 2013 01:51 PM (pbWXF)

142 >>>but, assuming he really didn't look at the women, the fact that the 2nd sketches the ones where others were describing them match more closely what the women look like does say something. He still knows in advance that he's supposed to make the Self Description Sketch seem worse (accentuating flaws) and the Friend Description Sketch seem better (skipping them or making them nicer). It is true that friends also won't tend to mention flaws as much. At least not publicly.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 01:51 PM (LCRYB)

143 129 It started ghey.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2013 01:52 PM (9XBK2)

144 What I can see when I look at the sketches side by side is that women hate their hair, or the "artist" is being paid to make a point.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 26, 2013 01:52 PM (3+QKS)

145 Do they have a campaign for guys with small dicks?

I'll check my inbox.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 26, 2013 01:52 PM (xKC/c)

146 My granddaughter is stunningly beautiful, to the point where waiters in a restaurant will gather around and stare.  I make a very intentional effort to not compliment her on her looks but on the qualities that really count.  For instance, today she handed me my shoes as we were getting ready to go out to eat, and I said, "What a kind thing to do.  I love it when you do thoughtful things."  Rather than, "you're hair looks pretty today."

When she is 80 years old, she may have no more hair left, but she can still be kind and thoughtful. 

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 01:52 PM (P6QsQ)

147 A man can have a pot belly that can house commercial airliners, BO that will knock a horse down at ten yards, a grand total of eight greasy hairs, which he grows long and combs over his balding head like a spider on top of an egg, and he'll still consider his attractiveness on the level of Don Johnson." *** Have you seen Don Johnson lately? That description is spot on.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 26, 2013 01:52 PM (pbtDa)

148 Pretty women like Bachmann and Palin get slagged just as much, in fact far more, than ugly women. I'm in a Double Income No Kids family so I get some of the static you get, Heather Radsh, just don't let it eat at you. Individuals uber alles.

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 26, 2013 01:52 PM (ZshNr)

149 Let women have their neuroses and image issues.

It certainly made it easier to get laid in college.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 01:52 PM (/WLC3)

150 140 True.Febreeze really destinks the pits though.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2013 01:53 PM (9XBK2)

151

I admit I turn in my man card when  I come across a make-over show on TV.

 

I  like to see  before and afters .   Some people clean up real nice.  

Posted by: polynikes at April 26, 2013 01:53 PM (m2CN7)

152 Possibly because that's how women are judged. Look how we slag incompetent women in high positions here every day--not by how utterly fucking horrible they are at their jobs, but by how they look. "Cankles" is not an epithet about her grifting, lying, trading a pardon for terrorists for a Senate seat, or myriad failures as Secretary of State; surely there's something to criticize in all that instead of criticizing her legs. *shrug* Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at April 26, 2013 05:48 PM (hO8IJ) We call her lots of names. We mock and deride her on lots of grounds. Is taking a swipe at her appearance petty? Yeah, probably. But her appearance isn't why we make fun of her, it's how we make fun of her.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 01:53 PM (GEICT)

153 I wouldn't even back the car out of the garage, wearing sunglasses, without mascara and lipstick. Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 05:35 PM (lVPtV)


Sista, Diorshow mascara. Black 090.

I learned the hard way when my boys were in pre-school. I'd schlep out to Publix in sweats and no-make up. I would ALWAYS run into people from work and want to hide. Always. I have never left the house without make-up since. Around here, you always know someone. It is no just "wear clean underwear you may be in a car accident," it is "wear mascara."

Around the house I don't bother, as husband (as said before) either lies or loves me anyway. But the public see the ChristyB.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 01:53 PM (baL2B)

154 Do they have a campaign for guys with small dicks? Organizing for America.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 26, 2013 01:53 PM (Ec6wH)

155 They weren't friends though. They were strangers who had just met.

Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 01:53 PM (wsGWu)

156 "146 My granddaughter is stunningly beautiful, to the point where waiters in a restaurant will gather around and stare. I make a very intentional effort to not compliment her on her looks but on the qualities that really count. For instance, today she handed me my shoes as we were getting ready to go out to eat, and I said, "What a kind thing to do. I love it when you do thoughtful things." Rather than, "you're hair looks pretty today." When she is 80 years old, she may have no more hair left, but she can still be kind and thoughtful. Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 05:52 PM (P6QsQ) " :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 01:53 PM (f3/nl)

157 riiight, like the guy didn't already know to make the first sketch look horrible, and to accentuate the second one. anyone buying that crap? some of those first sketches were comicly bad.

Posted by: exceller at April 26, 2013 01:54 PM (ROGMG)

158

 They make Dove products...for Men, too.

 

Dove for Men.

They make a whole product line.

I forget what their slogans are.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 26, 2013 01:54 PM (3B3wv)

159 P.S. If you notice the lack of "t" in some words I think my keyboard "t" is 'tarded. I type really fast, but this is a new flaw.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 01:54 PM (baL2B)

160 122 I thought it was Axe.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 26, 2013 01:54 PM (staER)

161 Do they have a campaign for guys with small dicks? It's called the white segment of the democratic party

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 26, 2013 01:54 PM (jE38p)

162 The ideal of a woman is Helen and the ideal of the man is Achilles. I think the Achilles route is more objective, and by age 12, most boys have a pretty good idea they won't be starting centerfielder for the yankees. So I think we learn "Oh well, damn, that sucks," but we move off it. We just learn to hate ourselves. I wonder if that might make a difference-- that women can kinda sorta still think maybe the Helen ideal is still within reach, because it's not really as objective as the stuff for guys -- strength, height, athletic prowess, big schlong.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 01:54 PM (LCRYB)

163 It sounds absurd, but it's probably not good to be to good looking. Posted by: pep at April 26, 2013 05:47 PM (6TB1Z) What you say is true, but I have an absolutely gorgeous friend (I mean, her driver's license photo looks like a glamour shot, for goodness sakes) who is one of the nicest people I know. And she is far from arrogant about it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 01:54 PM (6zgse)

164 Possibly... but then I just think most people are average looking, by definition.

That's not how averages work!

Just teasing of course. 

Posted by: bonhomme at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (8ifMA)

165 And people say Theism/religion/Christianity has no worth. Behold the society and culture that Atheism has wrought. Behold and tremble.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (f3/nl)

166 In other news, I get a news feed yesterday from Mark Levin where he mentions Hannity. So I says, Mark, just because Hannity kisses your ass doesn't mean you have to mention him. Now I'm banned. Posted by: Up with people! at April 26, 2013 05:47 PM (FmFB3) Pretty sure Levin got his start through Hannity.

Posted by: baldilocks at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (Su0W2)

167 It's not so much about the ad as about feeling a little bad for women for wanting to see the ad. As in, I do feel bad that for whatever reason women are down on themselves. ----- It's that damned Mitt Romney. And Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (h1gQR)

168

Have you seen Don Johnson lately? That description is spot on.

 


Well, this was written back in the 80s or early 90s.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (lr3d7)

169 Not-bad but somewhat too-kind SCIENCE!-inclusive commentary on this campaign can be found in my link-hole down there.

My take: Women believe ads, and even when they don't, they seek Truth in them, because...they're ads. This is "problematic."

Posted by: oblig. at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (cePv8)

170 My own daughter is eerily beautiful. Part of me keeps hoping she'll grow out of it. I can't help thinking it will make her happier.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (q177U)

171 by age 12, most boys have a pretty good idea they won't be starting centerfielder for the yankees. That was when I started hating life.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 26, 2013 01:55 PM (jE38p)

172 Now can we have a campaign to show women they don't have to be screeching harpies.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 26, 2013 01:56 PM (oBhEo)

173 "167 It's not so much about the ad as about feeling a little bad for women for wanting to see the ad. As in, I do feel bad that for whatever reason women are down on themselves. ----- It's that damned Mitt Romney. And Paul Ryan. Posted by: Dave S. at April 26, 2013 05:55 PM (h1gQR) " He stole all their tampons!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 01:56 PM (f3/nl)

174 I stopped showering. I just soak my clothing in Febreeze.

Patchouli oil for me!

Posted by: Nasty Smelly Hippy of below-average looks at April 26, 2013 01:56 PM (8ifMA)

175
>>>It is true that friends also won't tend to mention flaws as much. At least not publicly.

I was a little sensitive to that when I saw where it was going so. I *looked* and the pictures from a third party actually *did* look more like the person than their own description. Watch it again and compare: Which was actually *more* accurate?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 26, 2013 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

176 Nothing is sweeter than being in the car, in bright light, and my husband will look over at me and tell me I'm pretty and lay his hand on my cheek and tell me my skin feels nice.

And then he mentions something stupid one of his lib siblings said and I want to punch him in the nuts and rip his penis off.

(I was just kidding about the last part...sort of.) 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 01:56 PM (lVPtV)

177 @156 Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 05:52 PM (P6QsQ) "

:-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 05:53 PM (f3/nl)


Good job, MamaW. One of my hopes is that I have a granddaughter someday. I am in an all male world with brothers and sons. She will be one spoiled but sweet child. I would also do anything to have grandsons. I just want to live long enough to be a positive influence in their lives. I cannot wait.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (baL2B)

178 Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 05:52 PM  I definitely understand the rationale behind that, but I encourage you to occasionally compliment her beauty as well. My mom made a concerted effort to never compliment my looks, and I have to say I second guess my appearance quite a bit.

Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (wsGWu)

179 Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at April 26, 2013 05:48 PM (hO8IJ)

And we mock men in similar ways. Boehner's tan. Clinton's bulbous nose. Obama's...uh...everything.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (/WLC3)

180 Men seek nubility, women seek nobility. Always have. Always will. Women lose their looks over the years. But men can lose their status over night. Remember for every bigshot rich old guy still pulling in the chicks -- there's a lonely loser on the bottom The male life has a greater standard of deviation than women. The top of the bell curve is better for men than women. But the bottom is worse for men. It's a trade-off. Feminism is basically the women on top wishing they had it as good as the men on top. Nobody gives a shit about the men at the bottom.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (R+6Q+)

181

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 05:52 PM (P6QsQ)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

My last wife would look at my ruggedly handsome face and sigh.....and then ask me if I just farted.

Posted by: Soona at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (cVg5z)

182

Eh, I think this is reading too much into it.

Women always have had self-esteem problems when it comes to their looks.  Always have, always will.  Part of being a woman. 

This ad just says "Hey, don't be so negative about yourself, girlfriend!!!"  Which is a nice sentiment, although not terribly profound.  So really, meh.

Posted by: dan-O at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (s7Z/z)

183 Dove for Men.
They make a whole product line.
I forget what their slogans are.

Posted by: wheatie

"Here. Try this shit.™"

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (Yr6sH)

184 "169 Not-bad but somewhat too-kind SCIENCE!-inclusive commentary on this campaign can be found in my link-hole down there. My take: Women believe ads, and even when they don't, they seek Truth in them, because...they're ads. This is "problematic." Posted by: oblig. at April 26, 2013 05:55 PM (cePv " Women believe authority figures. Like everyone else. Although perhaps more so, generally speaking.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 01:57 PM (f3/nl)

185 I can't help thinking it will make her happier.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 26, 2013 05:55 PM (q177U)


-----------


I definitely think it makes things easier.  Happier, I'm not so sure.

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 01:58 PM (P6QsQ)

186 You 'Ettes are hilarious

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at April 26, 2013 01:58 PM (HVff2)

187 What does this have to do with Lindsay Boehner and her Rasta Man???

Posted by: waldo at April 26, 2013 01:58 PM (y2XjR)

188 I think ladies like when you tell them they cook good and have good breeding hips, but I'm single so I'm not sure on that.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 26, 2013 01:58 PM (3+QKS)

189 >>>I was a little sensitive to that when I saw where it was going so. I *looked* and the pictures from a third party actually *did* look more like the person than their own description. Watch it again and compare: Which was actually *more* accurate? I think you're overlooking the part where the Sketch Artist Guy is part of the con.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 01:58 PM (LCRYB)

190 After the meetup, we can see who most resembles, hmmm.... this guy. http://tinyurl.com/co7upve

Posted by: RWC at April 26, 2013 01:59 PM (fWAjv)

191 yeah, the sketch artist purposefully drew the first sketch ugly and the second sketch prettier.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 26, 2013 01:59 PM (R+6Q+)

192
>>>I wonder if that might make a difference-- that women can kinda sorta still think maybe the Helen ideal is still within reach, because it's not really as objective as the stuff for guys -- strength, height, athletic prowess, big schlong.

I don't think men ever want to stop being Achilles. They just restructure Achilles into their particular talents and abilities.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (0q2P7)

193 I stopped showering. Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 05:49 PM (LCRYB) Meant to mention something about that to you.

Posted by: baldilocks at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (Su0W2)

194 They like it because it appeals to their Rationalization Hamster.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (bYRF2)

195 Febreeze costs money. Towelettes are free at KFC. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 26, 2013 05:51 PM (8ZskC) LOL. Men.* *assumption

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (XYSwB)

196 My mom was also stunningly gorgeous (you should see pics of her now - she's nearly 70 but still super hot, looks much younger than her age) and she's an extremely nice, kind-hearted woman. Not an arrogant or b*tchy bone in her body, absolutely no drama.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (6zgse)

197 How is this a surprise to anyone? Haven't you all seen the vapid statements trotted out as profound insight by the Airhead Brigades on Twitter? These dumbfucks even tattoo that insipid crap on their bodies. Can't wait for the Burning Times. Can't. Wait.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (V1ZIU)

198 I am more beautiful than any of you think!

Posted by: gwyneth paltrow at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (T7zkW)

199 This is such a silly thing to me. Since when did a compliment have to have some deep meaning? I tell my wife she looks pretty/nice. Because she does. I tell her thank you and that I appreciate it when she does stuff around the house or with the kids. These statements are profound glimpses into a deeper commentary on my relationship with my wife. They're simply compliments. We seem to have become a society that is split in a very odd way. We, on the one hand, worship beauty to an unhealthy level. See the Hollywood style culture. On the other hand, look at the comments here. People are actually saying to not compliment on looks or that they hope their kids grow out of their good looks. Beauty is despised as well. It's insane.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (GEICT)

200 On Mad Men (set in 1965) they had a Pond's story arc. Two competing campaign ideas:

1. Pond's will help you get a husband
2. Pond's makes you feel good about yourself

Art imitating life imitating art

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (HDgX3)

201 But her appearance isn't why we make fun of her, it's how we make fun of her.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 05:53 PM (GEICT)

The blue-painted, troglodyte makes an excellent point.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 02:00 PM (/WLC3)

202 "180 Men seek nubility, women seek nobility. Always have. Always will. Women lose their looks over the years. But men can lose their status over night. Remember for every bigshot rich old guy still pulling in the chicks -- there's a lonely loser on the bottom The male life has a greater standard of deviation than women. The top of the bell curve is better for men than women. But the bottom is worse for men. It's a trade-off. Feminism is basically the women on top wishing they had it as good as the men on top. Nobody gives a shit about the men at the bottom. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 26, 2013 05:57 PM (R+6Q+) " Bell curves. Left-Right. Not Top-Bottom. (Puerile tit for meaningless tat.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:01 PM (f3/nl)

203 Barry  and  I  bend  over  for  each  other  in  the  shower.  It  has  nothing  to  do  with  soap. :0 

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 26, 2013 02:01 PM (kKzNI)

204 Wow...slow news Friday! Ace, you're off the mark on this one. It's an ad to sell soap. I refuse to be outraged.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 26, 2013 02:01 PM (eyJh9)

205 It's the same thing as a fortune cookie. Ever notice how there are never BAD fortunes? It's always some positive Engrish nonsense, making you all the more inclined to agree. People are obviously more apt to agree with the nice things you say about them.

Posted by: B-rock at April 26, 2013 02:01 PM (7Sht4)

206 196 Ahem....

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2013 02:01 PM (9XBK2)

207

Just reading this thread makes me harken back to an old saying:

 

"But she really has a nice personality......"

Posted by: Soona at April 26, 2013 02:02 PM (cVg5z)

208

I think the Achilles route is more objective, and by age 12, most boys have a pretty good idea they won't be starting centerfielder for the yankees. So I think we learn "Oh well, damn, that sucks," but we move off it. We just learn to hate ourselves.

 

Even if a man can't be a starting centerfielder, society used to project this idea that as long as he reached a certain level of achievement (marriage, supporting a family, respectable job) then he was to be respected.  You don't have to be the most successful man in the room to be successful. 

 

For women, it's a lot harder because not being the prettiest girl in the room often means "you're not pretty", at least to them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2013 02:02 PM (lr3d7)

209 *are not profound glimpses

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 02:02 PM (GEICT)

210

I don't know if anyone else feels this way but you can have two women who look exactly the same and may be overweight a bit and I  my  physical  attraction to them is totally dependent on their actions.

 

If one is always complaining about her weight and continues to stuff donuts in her mouth and chug the cokes  I will see  her  totally different than the other who works out and watches what she eats.  

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at April 26, 2013 02:02 PM (m2CN7)

211 Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 05:57 PM (wsGWu)

-----------

Thanks Lauren -  that's helpful to know.  I do compliment her on her appearance, it's really so hard not to, isn't it?  It's so much a part of how we interact with one another.  I guess I should have said that I really try to balance the outward with the inward, and that in order to do so I really really have to think about complimenting character more than appearance. Commenting on appearance seems to roll right off the tongue.  Commenting on character takes an intentional effort for me.

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 02:02 PM (P6QsQ)

212 >>>I think you're overlooking the part where the Sketch Artist Guy is part of the con.

Where he deliberately drew the first drawing uglier than actual? And then did a straight drawing on #2? Sure that's possible. Without watching the whole session I guess that could be the case.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 26, 2013 02:03 PM (0q2P7)

213 Dove for Men.
They make a whole product line.
I forget what their slogans are.

________

Greatest product for men was Nivea (I think) that had a body soap, shampoo, shaving cream 3-in-1 bottle.  Now that's knowing your customer base.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 26, 2013 02:03 PM (HDgX3)

214 The blue-painted, troglodyte makes an excellent point. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 06:00 PM (/WLC3) Freedom bitch, FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOM!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 02:03 PM (GEICT)

215 I stopped showering. I just soak my clothing in Febreeze. Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 05:49 PM (LCRYB) We all know you're a Calgon Take Me Away kinda guy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2013 02:03 PM (XYSwB)

216 I use dove on my nuts.Draw me a picture of that.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at April 26, 2013 02:03 PM (hZfdo)

217 Women always have had self-esteem problems when it comes to their looks. Always have, always will. Part of being a woman. Posted by: dan-O at April 26, 2013 05:57 PM (s7Z/z) Actually, there's a cultural aspect to that. Black women tend to feel way more confident about their looks than white women, sometimes with unfortunate consequences for onlookers.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 02:03 PM (6zgse)

218
Its ok, go ahead and give a woman a compliment today, things seem pretty bad out there.  Although as has been noted, women were complimented more and generally treated better in public before feminism.

Also don't hate me because I am beautiful.  Beautiful baby, just like Telly Savalas.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (jKWYf)

219 Yeah, Dove has a line of skincare and hair products for men now.  I bought some facial product for my husband because I thought he'd like it, and he was all "Do you think I need this crap?"  Ummm...no. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (lVPtV)

220

Totally, OT, but a punch in the gut nonetheless: parts of a landing gear from one of the 9/11 planes has been found in Manhattan.

"The part includes a clearly visible Boeing identification number, New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said Friday. The twisted, rusted metal part has cables and levers on it ..."

http://tinyurl.com/bmpy9vc

Posted by: Jess1 at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (lbiWb)

221 Greatest product for men was Nivea (I think) that had a body soap, shampoo, shaving cream 3-in-1 bottle. Now that's knowing your customer base. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 26, 2013 06:03 PM (HDgX3) #1 request from my Marine son when he was in Iraq.

Posted by: jwb7605 ([i][u]Let it Burn[/u][/i])[/s][/b] at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (Qxe/p)

222 Dove for men should have a hole in the middle.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (3+QKS)

223 Actually, there's a cultural aspect to that. Black women tend to feel way more confident about their looks than white women, sometimes with unfortunate consequences for onlookers.


What.

Posted by: Maxine Waters at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (8ZskC)

224 7 Do they have a campaign for guys with small dicks?

Posted by: Skinny, mom-jeans wearing hipster dude at April 26, 2013 05:33 PM (YmPwQ)


Can't recall the last time I saw a commercial for Porsches...

Posted by: Rogue Ugandan Foreskin at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (WDhjV)

225 I stopped showering. I just soak my clothing in Febreeze.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 05:49 PM (LCRYB)


So, that is what I am smelling over the toxic fumes of our failed bathroom counter refinish this week! Fan is going but I still smell meadow fresh!


Ace, if you really have an allergy, and heaven knows all of you lie as much as I do, try Cetaphil. Recommended by derms everywhere.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 02:04 PM (baL2B)

226 Bell curves. Left-Right. Not Top-Bottom.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 06:01 PM (f3/nl)

Beat me to it.

[prick]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 02:05 PM (/WLC3)

227 Speaking of ads, I never get tired of The Most Interesting Man in the World. "Stay thirsty, my friends." It works, I'm always thirsty. The power of advertising.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 26, 2013 02:05 PM (q177U)

228 "198 I am more beautiful than any of you think! Posted by: gwyneth paltrow at April 26, 2013 06:00 PM (T7zkW) " I'm pretty sure that Sweden and the surrounding regions is pretty much full of women who look like that without it being 100% fake. If anyone cares. Which they probably do, but apparently have never heard of Sweden.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:05 PM (f3/nl)

229 Mamawinger, I think that's totally fine and helpful! Complimenting positive qualities in addition to beauty is definitely a good thing. My mom had some weird feminist idea that she should never tell me that I was pretty...probably the same reason why she made me get the boy toy in my McDonalds happy meal.

Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 02:05 PM (wsGWu)

230 Self-esteem isn't for everybody.

Posted by: zsasz at April 26, 2013 02:05 PM (MMC8r)

231 Here's why it worked: women inundated with images of way above average women almost everywhere, but especially in the entertainment and fashion industries.
Heck, how many times have we seen in a sitcom or commercial and attractive wife/mom paired with a shlubby husband? How many times do we see the reverse - pudgy, homely woman and an attractive husband/father?
So Dove took advantage of this niche - more normal women (at least compared what is typically portrayed) and then gussied it up with esteem-building claptrap.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2013 02:05 PM (KqmXZ)

232 I'll never, ever forget the day our then 16 year-old son came home from his job at a local grocery store with Axe body wash.

Talk about your WMDs, omg that smell is seared into my memory.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 26, 2013 02:06 PM (lVPtV)

233
btw, it's Friday night

guess what I'll be eating for supper

Posted by: the best product for men evah at April 26, 2013 02:06 PM (bUM4g)

234 >>>I don't think men ever want to stop being Achilles. They just restructure Achilles into their particular talents and abilities. Maybe.... I don't know though.

Posted by: Mighty Ace, the Achilles of the Gag Headline at April 26, 2013 02:06 PM (LCRYB)

235 Along the lines of this post: So I'm walking around old Alumni U., it's the week before finals, lots of stress (because it is not an easy school), and in the engineering portion of the campus is a banner that basically says "grades aren't everything, you are still a worthwhile person despite your GPA." And my thoughts for add-on sentences were: "The people you kill wihen your poorly-designed bridge collaspes will understand." and/or "But don't try to get in our grad school, slacker." At any rate, somebody in Student Services with the blazing 105 IQ probably thinks they did a good deed. Also probably caused someone right on the cusp of a "D" to give up and flunk out, but at least that student will give up and flunk out with self-esteem intact, because it is "okay" (the subject is honestly not trivial, and a lot of folks don't blaze through old Alma Mater U., but if you are going to leave the engineering part of the school because engineering is not for you, better to leave with honor intact after giving it everything you got and still only barely passing).

Posted by: T. at April 26, 2013 02:06 PM (vYv4h)

236

 You don't have to be the most successful man in the room to be successful.

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

As someone has already referenced upthread, a big dick really helps that along too.

Posted by: Soona at April 26, 2013 02:07 PM (cVg5z)

237 "199 This is such a silly thing to me. Since when did a compliment have to have some deep meaning? I tell my wife she looks pretty/nice. Because she does. I tell her thank you and that I appreciate it when she does stuff around the house or with the kids. These statements are profound glimpses into a deeper commentary on my relationship with my wife. They're simply compliments. We seem to have become a society that is split in a very odd way. We, on the one hand, worship beauty to an unhealthy level. See the Hollywood style culture. On the other hand, look at the comments here. People are actually saying to not compliment on looks or that they hope their kids grow out of their good looks. Beauty is despised as well. It's insane. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 06:00 PM (GEICT) " People are (consciously, and subconsciously) susceptible to messaging and the messages they are exposed to. That's just the way it is.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:07 PM (f3/nl)

238 I'm wondering how many morons will hire a body double to stand in for them at the Meet-up...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 26, 2013 02:07 PM (S29bv)

239 probably the same reason why she made me get the boy toy in my McDonalds happy meal.

Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 06:05 PM (wsGWu)


------------


Oh my gosh that sounds just like my daughter!  HA - she soon found out that female child wanted no part of CARS and boy child wanted no part of DORA.  I giggled.

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 02:07 PM (P6QsQ)

240
oops

guess who's coming to dinner... and will be eaten tonight

Posted by: soothsayer at April 26, 2013 02:07 PM (bUM4g)

241 138 --- Thanks for that, Chique! I couldn't handle a man who really objects to make-up because sometimes I just don't have time to do the natural look! Being a very "Mediterranean" brunette, I can get away with a heavier-handed job sometimes. Well, I could when I was younger.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 26, 2013 02:07 PM (C8mVl)

242 Okay savages, here's some more joe wisdom It does matter how a woman looks It's all in how well she uses the pole when she dances

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 26, 2013 02:08 PM (dYf+Z)

243
oh snap, a knood!

Posted by: soothsayer at April 26, 2013 02:09 PM (bUM4g)

244 "204 Wow...slow news Friday! Ace, you're off the mark on this one. It's an ad to sell soap. I refuse to be outraged. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 26, 2013 06:01 PM (eyJh9) " Outrage isn't all that productive. But thinking might not be a bad idea.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:09 PM (f3/nl)

245 Posted by: Jess1 at April 26, 2013 06:04 PM (lbiWb)

It gets worse.

It was found near the site of the ground zero mosque.

So all of those fuckers who claimed that it was far enough away were, of course, talking out of their stretched-out assholes.

They are surveying to decide whether to check for remains.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 02:09 PM (/WLC3)

246 Christy, it's me who is allergic to most bar soap.

Posted by: baldilocks at April 26, 2013 02:09 PM (Su0W2)

247 I have another important beauty bulletin from my new esthetician: gain 5 pounds. She obviously did not tell me that, as I am a wee bit on the plump Marilyn side of aging supermodels. I exercise, I try to eat well, but I am convinced, in my doddering old age, that if I went back to my college weight my face would cave in. So, boys, appreciate the chubby cheeks on your girls. Some stars, like our Ashley Judd, pay good money for cheek implants. Please note results.*

*Face not caving in, not looking age, but not wanting to go Dove public about it.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 02:10 PM (baL2B)

248 205 Here's one of the Dove for Men ads...

Dove 'Real Beauty' Sketches...for Men.

http://youtu.be/T8Jiwo3u6Vo

Posted by: wheatie


Hilarious. "His eyes looked rapey, if that makes sense."

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 26, 2013 02:10 PM (3+QKS)

249 new one

Posted by: Vic at April 26, 2013 02:10 PM (53z96)

250 @233  My husband brought that Axe crap home once.  He agreed with me when I told him to throw it out.  He's now into that 3 in 1 crap which is bad but definitely not Axe.

Posted by: keena at April 26, 2013 02:10 PM (T7zkW)

251 "206 It's the same thing as a fortune cookie. Ever notice how there are never BAD fortunes? It's always some positive Engrish nonsense, making you all the more inclined to agree. People are obviously more apt to agree with the nice things you say about them. Posted by: B-rock at April 26, 2013 06:01 PM (7Sht4) " What, you never got 'Hope and Change?' That's a terrible one.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:10 PM (f3/nl)

252 >>>Ace, you're off the mark on this one. It's an ad to sell soap. I refuse to be outraged. i'm not outraged, I think it's a little Sad Panda, is all.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 02:11 PM (LCRYB)

253 >>>I don't think men ever want to stop being Achilles. They just restructure Achilles into their particular talents and abilities.

>>>Maybe.... I don't know though.


Every engineer is Doctor Who, Every Lawyer is Perry Mason, you get the idea.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 26, 2013 02:12 PM (0q2P7)

254 246 Posted by: Jess1 at April 26, 2013 06:04 PM (lbiWb) It gets worse. It was found near the site of the ground zero mosque. So all of those fuckers who claimed that it was far enough away were, of course, talking out of their stretched-out assholes. They are surveying to decide whether to check for remains. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 06:09 PM (/WLC3) Beat me to it.

Posted by: baldilocks at April 26, 2013 02:12 PM (Su0W2)

255 Sock off

Posted by: lincolntf at April 26, 2013 02:12 PM (ZshNr)

256 I have another important beauty bulletin from my new esthetician: gain 5 pounds.
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Christy - I believe it was ZsaZsa Gabor who said , "Once you hit a certain age, you have to choose between your face and your ass."

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 02:12 PM (P6QsQ)

257 I have a weird theory: Most men look in mirror: "I look the awesomeness."
Women look in same mirror: "I have fat. I have wrinkles. Ugh." Same mirror, same age of species. There is something programmed, deep in our DNA, that gives us this message. The guy could have a beer belly and bow legs. The woman could look just fine. This should be the Dove commercial.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 02:12 PM (baL2B)

258 kay savages, here's some more joe wisdom

More:

Guys, when approaching a table of women, never hit on the hottest one.  Hit on the second hottest.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 26, 2013 02:12 PM (SY2Kh)

259 >>>guess what I'll be eating for supper Beer?

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 26, 2013 02:12 PM (q177U)

260 "212 Posted by: Lauren at April 26, 2013 05:57 PM (wsGWu) ----------- Thanks Lauren - that's helpful to know. I do compliment her on her appearance, it's really so hard not to, isn't it? It's so much a part of how we interact with one another. I guess I should have said that I really try to balance the outward with the inward, and that in order to do so I really really have to think about complimenting character more than appearance. Commenting on appearance seems to roll right off the tongue. Commenting on character takes an intentional effort for me. Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 06:02 PM (P6QsQ) " Any accepted compliment probably induces a slight reorganization of the value 'hierarchy' and source of self worth.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:14 PM (f3/nl)

261 >>>Most men look in mirror: "I look the awesomeness." Yeah, not after the hair falls off your head and re-attaches on your shoulders. During my fat phase I wouldn't even look directly in a mirror unless I was putting in contacts.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 26, 2013 02:15 PM (q177U)

262 I just checked the bathroom.

6 kinds of soap, none of which I picked out.

Whatever the wife buys is what I uses.

My skin still looks like I'm 66 years old, ridden hard, and put away wet.


Posted by: trainer @ LIB at April 26, 2013 02:15 PM (1QEkm)

263 "227 Bell curves. Left-Right. Not Top-Bottom. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 06:01 PM (f3/nl) Beat me to it. [prick] Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2013 06:05 PM (/WLC3) " :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:17 PM (f3/nl)

264
Christy - I believe it was ZsaZsa Gabor who said , "Once you hit a certain age, you have to choose between your face and your ass."

Posted by: mama winger at April 26, 2013 06:12 PM (P6QsQ)


Fortunately, or unfortunately? I chose both. But I'll promote face fat to others. My chronically and genetically slim, same-age, Democrat attorney friend, smokes like a chimney and has a negative BMI, and she looks like hell. She also goes for the au natural look, as do I, but I use makeup to achieve it in public. you cannot see my make-up, but, honey, it is there. I highlight my hair. She lets the gray take completely over and has always worn her hair short. My husband, the liar, says she looks like hell and wondered who the old guy was in our class reunion photo that I did not attend (she also has no boobs and was wearing one of her power attorney suits). He won a bunch of gold stars on his chart that night.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 02:17 PM (baL2B)

265 FYI, the original Dove Beauty campaign started as a twenty-something designer's master thesis, not as the brainchild of some cold Mad Men type design agency. But yes, I have issues with this version of the campaign. Not that it isn't true, that people have low self esteem, but that none of those women are really all that ugly!

Speaking of. . . I love Mad Men. Is such a bleak and depressing depiction of the 60's, but the pretteh and the advertising speak keep me coming back.

Posted by: LizLem at April 26, 2013 02:18 PM (8wqqE)

266 "Women have only used cosmetics for like 6000 years. At this point you aren't fighting you, you're fighting the woman most likely to get laid and have a healthy family thousands of years ago.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 26, 2013 05:46 PM (0q2P7)"



Exactly. Unless you are in the top tier of reasoning ability, the odds of you ever having a thought or impulse that a homo sapien of either gender thousands of years ago wouldn't have had in the same situation is approximately zero. The number of original thinkers in the human species is vanishingly small and they tend not to reproduce.

Posted by: BS Inc. at April 26, 2013 02:18 PM (gZ2Xq)

267 Hey, wait a minute. That page views number has to have overriding view counts from being a paid ad that appears in various YouTube video sequences.

I work at home for a transcription company and I play YouTube videos of classical and jazz music behind what I'm typing. I heard this ad many times the last few days and hit the Skip Ad button when it became available to. I must have hit the button 20 times in the last three days.

So I think someone here is cheating. Unless that's been addressed and I missed reading it.

Posted by: nomo16 at April 26, 2013 02:19 PM (2NwDr)

268 Now we know why so many women vote dem- they are easily manipulated emotionally.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at April 26, 2013 02:20 PM (uhftQ)

269 The sketch artist is part of the campaign, and knows the point of the campaign is that the Friend's Description is supposed to be prettier than the Self Description. So, like, he knows when to make someone look better and when to make someone look worse. ^^^^THIS! If you go to the website, it's painfully obvious the artist was trying to draw the worst possible picture he could of the subject giving her description. The lines are darker, thicker. The shading heavier. The jaw lines much more masculine. The brows and lips exaggerated. It's like the guy was trying to draw the girl version of the washed up palooka boxer who just turned to crime. Look at those self-described portraits he almost gave some of the gals five o'clock shadows. He might as well have gone all the way and had a stogie drooping from their lips.

Posted by: Staff at April 26, 2013 02:21 PM (vJ+mj)

270 Older women look better and younger if they have some flesh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 02:21 PM (6zgse)

271 Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 02:22 PM (f3/nl)

272 can get away with a heavier-handed job sometimes.

How you doin?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2013 02:22 PM (jKWYf)

273 You know why women have low self esteem? Because they are told they have low self esteem by the Doves of the world.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 26, 2013 02:23 PM (HDgX3)

274 I thought it was a mildly interesting social experiment - seeing how one's own description of oneself differs from an outsider's. Probably would find similar results with men, imho. Or a variant anyway (for example, you ALL have big johnsons). I didn't find a big difference in attractiveness between the two sketches. As a marketing campaign, I thought it was somewhat novel. Our self-image is everything. We all have days we feel attractive and others when we don't. I doubt there is much real difference in our outward appearances on those days. But it's interesting (to me) to watch the women who go through the makeover process on What Not to Wear go through major turnarounds in how they see themselves... how they carry themselves, what they feel confident wearing etc. Without losing any weight or doing anything major, they usually wind up looking tons better. And FEELING tons better about themselves.

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2013 02:25 PM (5H6zj)

275 Does anyone believe Genesis Rodriguez when she says that men should be hairless?

Posted by: perdogg at April 26, 2013 02:26 PM (ziD3M)

276 >>> Every engineer is Doctor Who, Every Lawyer is Perry Mason, you get the idea. I guess you didn't see my sockpuppet joke.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2013 02:28 PM (LCRYB)

277 I think this has more to do with everyone thinking that they're special little flowers. Throghtout early life, people are told they're unique and smart, great, winning individuals. Then, they hit the real world and realize they aren't. Some folks handle this better than others.

Posted by: Big T Party at April 26, 2013 02:28 PM (WiQr+)

278 The artist did sketches of 200+ women. They selected 7 for the ad, and we really only see 3 for any length of time. Very selectively edited. Insty linked Virginia Postril's article about the making of the ad: http://preview.tinyurl.com/codsc8e

Posted by: VKI at April 26, 2013 02:28 PM (TKoA3)

279
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2013 06:00 PM (GEICT) "

People are (consciously, and subconsciously) susceptible to messaging and the messages they are exposed to. That's just the way it is. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 26, 2013 06:07 PM (f3/n


My husband likes me the best when I crack jokes and make him laugh. We share same interests. I like college football and basketball. I was known, in my distant youth, as the life of the party and last one standing and cracking jokes. I think that, by far, is what won him to me. First: he had never met a redneck woman, much less one who, at the time, would not be thrown out of the room in the looks dept. He said I was "down to earth" compared to the Yankee women he previously knew as the guy who collected girlfriends all over Long Island. He drove an ancient old Dodge Lancer and was in college, working at the hospital where I trained to be a RN. I tell people I dated doctors but married an orderly. I take no crap from anyone. I treat the CEO and janitor the same. I tell it like it is, but in a polite way (compared to my persona on this blog, where I sometimes let my freak flag fly like nowhere else on earth). Sometimes opposites attract, and we were demographically polar opposites. Our wedding was like the meeting of Grant and Lee at Appomattox. Let's just say, tres stressful, as no one had met prior to the rehearsal dinner.

Find someone you like, morons, not who meets your physical dreams. Find someone who makes you laugh. I have been married for 34 years to the same moron I met in college.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 02:30 PM (baL2B)

280 @90 Eh. I'm usually skeptical of such statements and generally don't believe them (even if I can acknowledge that the guy may be speaking the truth as he believes it). Make-up does wonders.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 26, 2013 05:45 PM (6zgse


Husband claimed he could "tell" I would look good without the make up. Maybe he is the ghey. At the time, I only used mascara and a little blush, as eyeliner makes me look like Morticia. I would also love to wear red lipstick but it scares my sons when I do. So I must be sort of a natural type (in the beginning. Make up fakes it now, but I still don't scare him in the mornings. I knew a lady from home, married 60 years, who claimed her husband never saw her without make up. This totally mystifies my mother and me).

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky, Sarcastic, Radicalized Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 26, 2013 02:43 PM (baL2B)

281 Every engineer is Doctor Who...

Hey, I thought I was Scotty, or at least Welshie.

Posted by: somedude at April 26, 2013 02:51 PM (uPbpg)

282 But isn't stoking the ego the key to *all* advertising?

The beer ads show guys having a grand time at their touch-football games or whatever, thereby implying that beer drinkers are studly and awesome, instead of, by and large, flabby and befuddled. But it works: the beer gets sold.

Or consider car ads. Isn't the not-so-subliminal message that if you buy the hot car, you'll get to screw the hot babe?

The Dove ad is more blatant than most, but it's a difference in degree, not kind.

Posted by: Brown Line at April 26, 2013 02:57 PM (T/4rm)

283 Tip for you straight guys: The fastest way to a straight girl's attention is to tell her she's pretty and NOT follow it up by a hit or a move. Undersell it. Make it entirely abstract and sexless. In fact, the fruitier the better. Lovely, charming, winsome, engaging. Make it an abstract fact, not a stratagem.

Lay it down, leave it alone, let it grow on her.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at April 26, 2013 03:31 PM (a5ljo)

284 Our Ace. We think we'll keep him.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2013 03:45 PM (mGBy8)

285 Would the laws of statistical distribution ever permit all 10,000 of randomly-selected persons to all be above-average in ice skating? Depends on where you take your sample. For instance, 10K randomly-selected Canucks might produce such a result compared to the average skating ability of, oh, say the USofA. Of course, that would be a biased sample, but if it isn't mentioned, it didn't happen. Right?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 26, 2013 04:46 PM (BDH94)

286

If you love your kids, you'll buy a Subaru.

 

Posted by: rusticbroad at April 26, 2013 05:02 PM (FjF3P)

287 I've used Dove regularly for seventeen years. All I did was make me seventeen years older, fatter, and a nastier bastard.

So, If you don't mind: Get the heck off my lawn.

Posted by: Elderly Fat Bastard at April 26, 2013 05:50 PM (yDWX4)

288

Boys: the most important thing you can tell your favorite lady is that you love her as she is. Never say the fat word, never. Never compare her to old girlfriends.Tell her you like the way she looks without makeup.

Oops!

 

 

 

Posted by: mot57 at April 26, 2013 08:16 PM (7EOsc)

289 "** In addition, it's a set-up: The sketch artist is part of the campaign, and knows the point of the campaign is that the Friend's Description is supposed to be prettier than the Self Description. So, like, he knows when to make someone look better and when to make someone look worse."

^^Yes.

Posted by: CommonSenseMom at April 27, 2013 07:03 AM (MfA31)

290 I know that my husband and children love me, and find me attractive. Because they'll all run and hug me, even after I've been sitting all day in a deer (or duck) blind -- which means I also haven't bathed in a week and am covered in dried leaves, grass, mud, and (hopefully) a smattering of animal blood and guts (you should have seen the looks on the soccer mommies and daddies' faces when I had to pick up the two little sprouts from kindergarten and didn't have time to shower and change after getting the carcass hung -- I guess it was the lack of makeup and pearls that caused the shock ). And the dogs and cat love me after such adventures -- the horses and other herbivores not so much, but they obviously trust me enough to not run away, so there's that. Since those are the only things in this world I care about their continued attraction to me, I'm set. And Dove Sensitive Skin is great, it isn't godawful perfumed and doesn't irritate my skin; plus it isn't horribly expensive (although I'm always on the lookout for a generic replacement that's considerably cheaper) -- that's what motivates my toiletry shopping. I own a Subaru too -- decent car for a decent price and pretty versatile, and it's fun strapping a whitetail to the roof rack (hippies/hipsters get the same look of shocked disbelief as soccer mommies and daddies...who knew?).

Posted by: citizen of the LoL at April 27, 2013 07:36 AM (DBkD3)

291 test &

Posted by: Ook? at April 27, 2013 07:43 AM (OQpzc)

292 I use Ponds. So do ducks.

Posted by: Benny Hill at April 27, 2013 09:10 AM (RnTRh)

293 Fuck yes!!!! we did a Dove parody, focused on exactly these issues- the industry's pro-dysmorphic values/lack of diversity. Check it out! http://youtu.be/b326rlrg2jM

Posted by: Nadine at April 27, 2013 09:25 AM (Klp1M)

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