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February 24, 2013

Early morning tech weirdness the "intubed propellor" [Purp]
— Open Blogger

Back in the 1930's there was a lot of experimentation going on with aircraft design. One of the weirdest, at the time, that ever flew was the Stipa-Caproni monoplane. Today we'd recognize it as a ducted-fan type and predecessor to the jet engine.

Even though it look odd and was very short coupled, it was apparently quite stable in the air.

Luigi Stipa was thinking outside the box. Sometimes the box's walls are just illusions of the human mind rather than real physical constraint. It may pay to punch the wall occasionally just make sure you're not just imagining it.

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1 Foist

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:02 AM (9ScGj)

2 I say nutpunch everson walls...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:03 AM (LRFds)

3 Feel so alone...

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:04 AM (9ScGj)

4 Sven, up a bit early for a Sunday

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:05 AM (9ScGj)

5 What's for breakfast?

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:06 AM (9ScGj)

6 I hereby declare this my private thread. Ass, gass or grass...no one posts for free!

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:07 AM (9ScGj)

7 ...or gas even!

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:08 AM (9ScGj)

8
Luigi was on track and mastered suck and squeeze, but failed to complete the engineering process of bang and blow.

Sounds almost like a Kate Upton thread?

Posted by: Dr Fish at February 24, 2013 02:09 AM (ndqJC)

9 4 Icedog, A bit, usually recovering from staying up 'til 4am passed out early last night, gonna go home to Ohio and let boy and dad visit.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:09 AM (LRFds)

10 Did the zombie apocalypse start without me?

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:09 AM (9ScGj)

11 Safe travels Sven!

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:10 AM (9ScGj)

12 If you're gonna punch walls, make sure you know where the studs are.

Posted by: BignJames at February 24, 2013 02:15 AM (HtUkt)

13 Drive safe Sven. Don't let a LIV or undocumented driver harsh your mellow.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 24, 2013 02:16 AM (u82oZ)

Should I have fried eggs or an omelet?

'Sup jackwagons?

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 02:17 AM (gqEUi)

15 I got some Hormel[super]TM[/super] ham. I think that's an ass.

Posted by: Ray Sist of Albuquerque at February 24, 2013 02:17 AM (camKy)

16 Effed that up. It's ok. I was lying anyways.

zzz...

Posted by: Ray Sist of Albuquerque at February 24, 2013 02:18 AM (camKy)

17 Man I miss IHOP...first place I'm going when I get back to the states.

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:21 AM (9ScGj)

18 IHop. Maybe waffles. Gotta eat something, starving.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 02:23 AM (gqEUi)

19 18 Infidel,

Oatmeal, breakfast of champions or Wilford Brimley will kick your ass...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:24 AM (LRFds)

20 There were a lot of "weird" designs in that time but we don't view all of them as weird. The good ones went on to become "normal".

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:25 AM (53z96)

21 Sven - Grapenuts.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 02:25 AM (gqEUi)

22 Via The Blaze.... The list of companies that have stopped selling firearms and ammunition to law enforcement agencies in states that are restricting the Second Amendment has more than doubled since Wednesday and is more than five times larger than just one week ago. There are 42 companies on our list, with more being added as we receive notificationÂ… Not sure how I feel about this...

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:26 AM (9ScGj)

23 Man I miss IHOP...first place I'm going when I get back to the states.

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 06:21 AM (9ScGj)

I have drive a ways to get to one. And its a good thing. Every time I go in there it is a guaranteed 2,000 calorie breakfast.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:26 AM (53z96)

24 21 infidel,

I actually love grapenuts and preferred it over the candy cereals gorwing up...

sven<---strange in more ways that the obvious

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:26 AM (LRFds)

25 22 Icedog,

Not sure about what about it? I am to the point I would not mind not selling to LE or the Feds even if under siege. The feds want to ratfuck me and let their criminal pets screw with good citizens with less fear of a "really bad day?"

Frankly I wouldn't mind the feds paying the price for losing the people at all.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:28 AM (LRFds)

26 Got a Sony DVD player from Santa and 60 days later the POS thing quit working. Its probably Bush's fault, too.

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at February 24, 2013 02:29 AM (Wy/ve)

27 20 Vic,

Yeah...I think part of why we're stagnating Vic is we've lost some of the tolerance for losing designs and we rely now too much on computer modeling....

There's something to be said for the old methodology of prototype testing.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:29 AM (LRFds)

28 26 Dodging Bullets in Chitcago,

Yeah well like Col Kurtz it looks like Bush the elder killed the right 4 guys...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:30 AM (LRFds)

29 I am not sure we are stagnating so much as the technology has matured. Al new technologies start with a "breakthrough" period where new ideas are pushed until the wining combination reaches the top.

After that it goes in to a a period of gradual change. That is where aircraft design is at now.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:36 AM (53z96)

30 There's a production assistant at The Weather Channel that just won't stop!

Get ready to hear all about "Winter Storm ROCKY"

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 24, 2013 02:37 AM (8sCoq)

31 Sven, the majority of LEOs are honorable folks...what would the gun sellers have them do to change state laws? ...and do you think the dem politicians give a shit about these cops? ...however, I understand the companies and believe in a free market.

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:38 AM (9ScGj)

32 29 Vic,

I agree I think we've pushed the current tech damn near as far as it can go, we may miniaturize it a bit, we may use improvements to reduce weight/add strength but I see very few genuine game changers out there. I guess part of my fear of the way things are is the mentality of investment we're a culture of quick buck artists now.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:38 AM (LRFds)

33 31 Icedog,

I went over my PoV during DornerPalooza. The GOP are the ones who defended LE reflexively for a lot of years post the 60s and at some point those fatass donut munching precinct lawyers decided the sweet sweet Donk Union loving cock was more important. Add in LE leadership going more and more Keystone Kommando and in many cases breaking state law and electioneering in uniform in ways the military can't.

No I am all out of reflexive deference to the LE community.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:41 AM (LRFds)

34 If Super Cop wants to help the guvmint lobby to take away my gunrights then I am all on board with the gun industry enforcing LE living "like the sheep."

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:42 AM (LRFds)

35 Gawd, what the hell is up with the naming of a plain ol winter strom? It's freakin winter.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 02:42 AM (gqEUi)

36 35 Infidel,

they are cranking up laying the state of fear...

OMG!!! It is Arctic Tornadocane Buffy it is the worst EVAH!!!!!

uh yeah it left an inch and a half of snow there TWC....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:43 AM (LRFds)

37 So in NYC, if you call Domino's for delivery, you can't get that 2 liter of Coke anymore. Bloomy says so!

Thank your mayor, New Yorkers.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 24, 2013 02:44 AM (8sCoq)

38 One thing I will say about technology advancement. Although we still have quite a few really good people out there designing new inovations they are hard pressed to go anywhere in the US, particularly in the aircraft field.

The lawyers have pretty much eliminated all the small fry in the aviation industry and the federal government with all its tons of regulations have stifled the rest of the country.

This is why you see a lot of American innovations being actually developed by foreign countries.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:44 AM (53z96)

39 Dramatic change in technology is still possible. But it won't be happening in the US of Obama. R and D is expensive. You can spend millions and get nothing to show for it, or you can spend millions, have a breakthrough, and lose all the profits to the unions and the government. Why take the risk?

Posted by: Icedog at February 24, 2013 02:46 AM (9ScGj)

40 37 Jones in CO,

hey now Jones Luap Nor Kult is down with that 'it's for the health man...I just can't vote for a GOP that is so evil man...."

Frankly I welcome Nanny getting his Mein Krampf on....

have fun New Yawkahs...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:47 AM (LRFds)

41 ha, snowmageddon. Get a grip. Have more than a day or two of food in the house and it's no big deal. Hell, I wouldn't mind being snowed in for a few days.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 02:48 AM (gqEUi)

42 I have no sympathy for New Yorkers. They gave this poncy fuck Bloomberg a third term even though he was term-limited.

Suck it, pogues.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 24, 2013 02:49 AM (8sCoq)

43 It doesn't bother me a damn bit that Bloomingidiot is shitting all over New Yorkers. They voted him in multiple times even allowing his to eliminate the term limit law.

But what really pisses me off is when major food companies knuckle under to cut salt content because he is banning it in NYC. The great salt scare is just about as phony as the AGW fraud.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:51 AM (53z96)

44 Ha I see like minds

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:52 AM (53z96)

45 43 Vic,

You know I think it is high time we "flyover fuckers" start punishing the companies that knuckle and go back to "cooking" ourselves.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:52 AM (LRFds)

46 44 Vic,

Yup...the gun companies telling Nanny Landers to get bent is the right thing to do..

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:53 AM (LRFds)

47 One wonders if I should go ahead and post the news links? This is likely to become a dead thread in an hour when Andy posts the Sunday Morning open thread.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:53 AM (53z96)

48 Nannyberg sucks. My fear is that it's slowly creeping everywhere else. If the turnout at the 2nd Amendment Rally is any indication, we are going to need to fight back hard and sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 02:54 AM (gqEUi)

49 You know I think it is high time we "flyover fuckers" start punishing the companies that knuckle and go back to "cooking" ourselves.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 06:52 AM (LRFds)

The list of those companies was so long you would just about have to quit buying groceries to boycott them.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:54 AM (53z96)

50 Nannyberg sucks. My fear is that it's slowly creeping everywhere else. If the turnout at the 2nd Amendment Rally is any indication, we are going to need to fight back hard and sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 06:54 AM (gqEUi)

I have a news link this morning that will really piss you off on that score.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

51 One enjoys you daily news stories, Vic!

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 02:56 AM (gqEUi)

52 49 Vic,

Maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing either....

what I mean is there are butcher shops that still do their own meat, and there are farmers' markets...

if we all took the effort to go around the NannyLanders and their pet corps it would be a good object lesson AND it would force the nannyLanders to try to tighten their grip even more leading to the pushback...

I am getting sick and tired of this "if the left hand don't get you the right one will" crap that the media/govt/and corps are playing

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 02:58 AM (LRFds)

53 No need for butcher shops (which are non-existent here) or farmer's markets. What they have killed the salt in is a variety of prepared foods, packaged foot, and canned goods.

You can still buy raw vegetables and meat in a grocery store that is not impacted because they never had salt to begin with.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:01 AM (53z96)

54 Colossal donuts. That's what's for breakfast.

Posted by: blaster at February 24, 2013 03:01 AM (/1U3u)

55 Infidel; here is a preview of the news

Republicans in the Senate are about to sell us out on universal background checks. I may not have to wait until the 2014/2016 elections to say piss on the Republican Party.

http://is.gd/iGUQVo

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:02 AM (53z96)

56 Sven - I know my garden will be much larger this year. Thinking about splitting a side of beef with the neighbor for the freezer too.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:02 AM (gqEUi)

57 53 Vic,

Yup...so the next step in "nanny Bloomberg Saves Reality" would be "spice rack control!"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 03:03 AM (LRFds)

58 DAY 111 1,349 to go (1,424 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 03:03 AM (48jWE)

59 Â¡Buena maÃ±ana de Costa Rica!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 03:04 AM (48jWE)

60 Today, already, I got angry reading in NRO about $7,000 per student on cost of busing students to school in NYC. They saved 80M during the month long bus strike by having the kids take the subway and city buses. Think about that for a moment. about $35 per day to get to your local school. http://tinyurl.com/bynd6t8 Then I read in a Drudge linked article where the UN caused the cholera epidemic in Haiti. As Reagan said, the most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help"

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at February 24, 2013 03:05 AM (zZJJp)

61 Hola Costa Rico

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:06 AM (53z96)

62 Vic - I'm sick of the politicians. They are out of control. I don't know how we overcome the media and school system. Makes my BP skyrocket.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:07 AM (gqEUi)

63 As to NY'ers allowing Bloomberg to have a third term, it was the city council that allowed that. The one thing NY'ers of all political stripes have in common is an utter loathing of that midget piece of shit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 03:07 AM (48jWE)

64 62 Infidel,

Infidel step one is accepting that we will have to work harder, pay more, and suffer some.....

step two is convincing others to do the same....

not one more step left silently

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 03:08 AM (LRFds)

65 63 JJ Sefton,

Hey they voted for him bub....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 03:08 AM (LRFds)

66 which is to say were I a Yawkuh I'd have wrote in "the other midget sack of shit"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 03:09 AM (LRFds)

67 Well JJ who elected the city council?

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:10 AM (53z96)

Think about that for a moment. about $35 per day to get to your local school.

And we pay to feed the heathens too! I'm almost at the point where I want to say FTW. Take care of yourself.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:10 AM (gqEUi)

69 Hola Vic and all you maroons. March can be unbearably hot and humid down here in CR. Will be indoors mostly writing away in the mornings and then afternoon at the gym and beach. Show biz really sucks (it really does since all this is on my dime [except the food and lodging which is my writing partner's treat]).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 03:10 AM (48jWE)

70 The solution to the $35/day school bus fraud. Make unions in public service in NYC illegal. Can the council do that?

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:11 AM (53z96)

71 67 Well JJ who elected the city council? Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 07:10 AM (53z96) That's true, but they essentially were bribed by Doomkopf to ignore the term limit law passed by the citizenry. It is what it is and it sucks. I cannot move out soon enough.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 03:12 AM (48jWE)

Don't want to hear about warm. Ugh, it's 23 degrees an snow/ice everywhere. Thank God for the pellet stove.

Thing I decided on bacon and french toast. Have some killer syrup from the NE.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:15 AM (gqEUi)

73 We are supposed to get a break today in the weather. Supposed to be mostly sunny and 68Â°. Sure doesn't look like it now. Still overcast, 40's, and raining.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:16 AM (53z96)

74 Vic, thought you were getting snow this week

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 03:25 AM (sTfkB)

75 73 Vic,

yup...let's trust the weather shaman to run our industry comrade

Posted by: sven10077 at February 24, 2013 03:25 AM (LRFds)

76 Vic, thought you were getting snow this week

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 07:25 AM (sTfkB)

Got that last week. Looked like that new storm might get us some but it didn't. Didn't quite get cold enough. We had rain with temps in the mid 30's. Worst of both worlds.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:26 AM (53z96)

77 Coffee time, kids. Will check in here and there. Have a better one!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 03:27 AM (48jWE)

78 La plane, la plane.

Posted by: sTevo at February 24, 2013 03:29 AM (VMcEw)

79 See you later aligator

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:29 AM (53z96)

80 79 See you later aligator

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 07:29 AM (53z96)

When your legs are straighter.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 24, 2013 03:32 AM (YYyqq)

81 after a while crockadile

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:33 AM (53z96)

82 Bunch a old farts here this morning

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:34 AM (53z96)

83 Get off my Lawn.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:36 AM (gqEUi)

84 82 Bunch a old farts here this morning

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 07:34 AM (53z96)

Wondered what that smell was. Seems like a combination of Old Spice, Preparation H, and Wart-Be-Gone.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 24, 2013 03:38 AM (YYyqq)

85 That goes back to 1955 by people were still using all that stuff up into the 60s.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:42 AM (53z96)

86 but people damnit.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:43 AM (53z96)

87 I think 3d printers are a game changer. Really disintermediate the supply chain. Star Trek style replicators are on the way. Shit won't be free, you will still have to pay for feed stocks and the designs, but you will really recycle, dump broken or unused stuff in the feed tube so you won't have to buy so much.

Posted by: blaster at February 24, 2013 03:44 AM (/1U3u)

88 http://preview.tinyurl.com/a6vud8p ...but, but the man's an ethnobotanist and a sailor.... Quibble about the numbers all you want. The numbers are one thing. The total silence from the Commie-fag-junkie Complex/Media Division, except to cry "RACIST!", is the necessary factor for this to continue.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 24, 2013 03:44 AM (1V6Pv)

89 Linky no workee

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:46 AM (53z96)

90 I think we need to bring back the word Pinko.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:46 AM (gqEUi)

91 Never mind, works fine.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:47 AM (53z96)

92 @89 http://tiny.cc/zhg0sw

Posted by: Thorvald at February 24, 2013 03:48 AM (1V6Pv)

93 Is it just me or is anyone else having trouble keeping up with the fast pace of the comments?

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 24, 2013 03:52 AM (YYyqq)

94 Oh crap, this isn't the gun thread!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 24, 2013 03:53 AM (cCxiu)

95 Bunch a old farts here this morning

Don't know about youse guys, but my farts are all fresh and new. Well, maybe not fresh. But new. Definitly new.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 03:53 AM (4Mv1T)

96 Beautiful day dawning here in burgeoning Woodbury, MN! We're getting a break in the relentless cold, and it's late enough in the winter that we may (repeat, may) not see any more sub-zero temps. Woodbury is an outer-ring 'burb that is now in the stage of importing Leftists to "balance" the polls. Section 8, mass transit (up to a point), and the mass of hereditary Swedes to the northeast in Stillwater (Jessica Lange (and lots of Trustafarians + wannabes) lives there) mean the political future is yet precarious.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 24, 2013 03:54 AM (1V6Pv)

97 I think Vic is loading up the queque.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:55 AM (gqEUi)

98 J.J.- What is this American expat community near, is it San Jose, in central CR? Like 20-30,000. Is that right? I understand the climate between the coasts is very temperate.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 03:56 AM (4Mv1T)

99 ack. queue.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 03:57 AM (gqEUi)

100 Any will be posting the morning thread shortly

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 03:57 AM (53z96)

101 97 I think Vic is loading up the queque.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 07:55 AM (gqEUi)

That's what my proctologist calls an "exam."

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 24, 2013 03:59 AM (YYyqq)

102 Sure, it's tech. Those boats are made of unobtainium. http://preview.tinyurl.com/bdl2gm6 "Twelve knots and a Chinaman, Sir!" Or, in this case, "GPS shows 40 knots."

Posted by: Thorvald at February 24, 2013 03:59 AM (1V6Pv)

103 101, lol.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 04:00 AM (gqEUi)

104 Permission to strike 8 bells captain!

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 04:01 AM (53z96)

105 A tube with one blade. What an idiot, everybody knows it should be many blades.

Posted by: Whatev at February 24, 2013 04:04 AM (A7Wh1)

106 Well, maybe Andy isn't going to post since this one is here.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 04:06 AM (53z96)

107 Aye aye.sir. Post up that gun thread! Its the only thing that keeps me alive, except for sex, steak, beer, money and guns. OK I admit it, it does not keep me alive, I just enjoy the gun thread.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 24, 2013 04:06 AM (cCxiu)

108 http://bit.ly/X5tWZE

re: gun thread mat'l.

Posted by: sTevo at February 24, 2013 04:07 AM (VMcEw)

109 aaaaand the snowpocalypse has begun

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES IT'S WINTER STORM ROCKY

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 24, 2013 04:07 AM (8sCoq)

110 Man people were stupid in the olden days.

Posted by: Whatev at February 24, 2013 04:07 AM (A7Wh1)

111 I forgot to mention oxygen.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 24, 2013 04:07 AM (cCxiu)

112 Is this the thread where I can brag that I had a caramel bacon glazed doughnut yesterday?
Everything is better with bacon on it!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 24, 2013 04:08 AM (coJww)

113 Wedding yeserday. The groom went through all the usual vows and added "to be by your side through the Zombie Apocalypse, which is coming any day now."

Posted by: SurferDoc at February 24, 2013 04:08 AM (6H6FZ)

114

keeps me alive, except for sex, steak, beer, money and guns.

Cut jib, newsletter!

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 04:09 AM (gqEUi)

115 >>>WINTER STORM ROCKY

The In-Laws had a hamster for the kids named "Rocky".

Call the next storm, WINTER STORM HAMSTER.

Nice ring to it methinks.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 04:09 AM (4Mv1T)

116 The other Caproni ducted fan airplane. Speed in the 200mph range. Mussolini's government claimed it was the first 'jet' powered airplane.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/8/81/Campini-caproni-cc2.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 04:09 AM (J8Sr0)

117 Mussolini got a little upside down at times.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 04:10 AM (53z96)

118 Speaking of preppers - I see some of them are storing the food right on their body in the form of fat. Not knocking them for it as I store some of it myself. But I'm pretty sure there was a test once that showed fat people and skinny people lived roughly the same amount of time without food.

Posted by: Whatev at February 24, 2013 04:11 AM (A7Wh1)

119 The Caproni C.C.2 in a museum. Gives a bit of better scale of the monster.
http://tinyurl.com/ao2kdyl

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 04:12 AM (J8Sr0)

120 Vic, yeah. Kinda reminds me of someone of more current vintage.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 04:13 AM (J8Sr0)

121 Mussolini got a little upside down at times.

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 08:10 AM (53z96)

Inverted flight!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2013 04:13 AM (Cnqmv)

122 Thanks sTevo. Remington...going , going, gone! I hope they come to Texas!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 24, 2013 04:13 AM (cCxiu)

123 news up

Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2013 04:13 AM (53z96)

124

Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 08:12 AM (J8Sr0)

My second favorite teacher! Thanks.

Posted by: Infidel at February 24, 2013 04:14 AM (gqEUi)

125 A morning airplane thread. That's different. Looks like I got here just in time for the end, though.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2013 04:18 AM (sdi6R)

126 Anybody notices the mirror image similarity of the rest of us getting food formulated to meet NYC standards and the gun companies making NY LEOs live by the rules that apply to civilians

Posted by: Tmitsss at February 24, 2013 04:20 AM (JeYFp)

127

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 08:09 AM (J8Sr0)

Isn't it strange that the British "lost" their sample of that N1?! Wonder where it got off to.

Posted by: and irresolute at February 24, 2013 04:23 AM (DBH1h)

128 The 1930s were a period of great innovation and experimentation in the aviation industry. They went from fabric-covered biplanes at the beginning of the decade, to all-metal monoplanes, to jets by decade's end. Commercial aviation grew, too, and many more ordinary people were able to fly as passengers. The other night I had an exchange on another blog. I expressed excitement about the number of companies that are working on new manned spacecraft, habitat modules, and landers. Another commenter said that nothing would come of it because we are headed for a new depression. I pointed to the growth of the aviation industry during the depression of the 30s as an example of an industry that did pretty well during economic hard times.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2013 04:47 AM (sdi6R)

129

General aviation is one of my favorite sore subjects...

Because of government bureaucrats, we have aircraft today that can do loops and rolls, even though their primary function is to transport people through the air from one place to another.

A free market unencumbered by government would, by now, have easily operated, incredibly safe personal planes that would be a fraction of the cost of what is available today. Because of an immovable attitude of doing nothing, regulators prevent changes that could fuel and entire industry.

Aluminum V-8 engines produced by GM and Toyota can operate for 2000 hours without service at a reliability level far in excess of Continental or Lycoming, with more power and advanced operating systems, but because of antiquated liability laws, can't be used in aircraft.

Control systems are available that would prevent a plane from exceeding reasonable turn/climb/decent parameters, making it impossible to stall and greatly simplifying airframe design, while making operation easier than driving a car, but no inovation is allowed.

Guages are monitoring exhaust gas temperature in 2013. Even though microprocessors can monitor the same thing a thousand times per second, because of the glacial mentality of officials, adjustments to lean the fuel mixture are left to the leather helmeted, silk scarfed idiots to guess at.

If the same approach to change had been adopted to the auto industry, everyone would be reaching outside their windows to engage the hand brake to slow down.

Yes, all it takes on a Sunday morning to set me off is a thread that reminds me how much I love bureacrats.

Posted by: jwest at February 24, 2013 04:50 AM (ZDsRL)

130

There is a 2/3 scale model of that aircraft in Toowoombe, Qld, AU. It was built by Aerotek, and flown once.

The pilot told me it scared the crap out of him. Photos of it can be seen on Airliners.net, by searching "Stipa-Caproni". (one of them, mine)

Posted by: Skul at February 24, 2013 07:20 AM (I2Wdv)

131 I really like the Moto Guzzis Italian bike in future?

Posted by: torabora at February 24, 2013 08:29 AM (U9UrF)

132 What is it with N1's?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at February 24, 2013 08:39 AM (qIFL7)

133 The pilot told me it scared the crap out of him.

Scaled down things don't always have the characteristics of the original due to Reynolds numbers (i.e. you can scale down the plane but you can't scale down the air molecules they fly in).

The people who make tiny "peanut scale" rubber band powered models know this well and frequently enlarge the tail surfaces 10-20% to make them stable.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 24, 2013 11:08 AM (/gHaE)

134 @129 (jwest): There is much room for innovation, but you don't see it at the small business level. You see it instead among amateurs. Oh and another thing: Those engines you cited, they don't run with the throttle wide open for minutes at a time and they don't run at 75% power for hour after hour. Do that to a conventional automotive engine and I can just about guarantee that it won't last long. Car engines normally run at about 10 to 15% power most of the time. Aircraft engines run at 75% power most of the time. I say this as a an engineer and a pilot for more than 20 years. I have been there. I had significant engine trouble at night, IFR --and we landed safely. There are solid reasons why those regulations got there. They may not always be fair, and they may not always be effective, but anyone who has been around doing this for a few years knows damned well, what the goals are. Also, do you want to fly in an airplane that, if it does go inverted (perhaps you flew through an airliner wingtip vortex) can't easily recover? Again, there were reasons for these standards. Nobody wants to fly in a death trap. But if you're determined to do that anyway, you can always build your own experimental airplane. It can be done. I know many who have done it. We would all like to see less government. But sometimes, it is worth remembering what got regulated, and why it got that way. It's not always an evil process. Often it is for the very best of reasons. Now, go ahead, and build one of those airplanes that don't need acrobatic performance, that can't withstand a lightning strike because it is filled with electronics, that uses automobile engines with poor power to weight ratios, and so on. Believe it or not, nobody will stop you. Just don't sell me that thing and call it an airplane; because what you're describing is a coffin with wings. Many good people died to figure out these lessons. You're welcome to ignore them at your peril. Good Luck!

Posted by: Gork at February 24, 2013 06:13 PM (LleCh)

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