November 20, 2013

Education Secretary Arne Duncan: Common Core Opponents Are Just "White Suburban Moms" Upset to Learn Their Children Aren't "Brilliant"
— Ace

Incredible -- and an undeniable mode of thinking among the self-professed elite.

Who are not elite, actually.

Obama and all his close appointees -- the people who sip from the same cup of Revolutionary Vanguard socialism as he does -- all believe this, and all say the same things.

They have no respect for the American voter. They believe the American voter is too stupid to participate in a democratic process supposedly conducted for their benefit.

Whenever the American voter disagrees with them, or objects to their grand plans, or has simple questions, or merely fails to support the Vanguard with sufficient fervor, they resort to the same tactic:

The deem opposition to be wholly illegitimate due to a lack of understanding or moral center, and quickly sneer off entire swathes of the population by reducing them to a derogatory social cliché.

How did Obama explain the blue-collar Democrats of Pennsylvania who preferred Hillary Clinton to himself?

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He quickly reduced millions of voters to, essentially, the level of the mentally retarded and legally incompetent, people incapable of thinking or reasoning, whose actions and beliefs were motivated entirely by fear, hatred, superstition, and ignorance.

Millions of informed Americans -- informed Americans, I say, because the average Low Information Voter is certainly not objecting to the Department of Education's curriculum makeover -- have objected to Common Core.

In many cases, the objection is not that Common Core is too hard -- which is Arne Duncan's suggestion. Quite the opposite. Michelle Malkin, for example, objects to Common Core partly because standards are being undeniably lowered, not raised:

There’s no better illustration of Common Core’s duplicitous talk of higher standards than to start with its math “reforms.” While Common Core promoters assert their standards are “internationally benchmarked,” independent members of the expert panel in charge of validating the standards refute the claim. Panel member Dr. Sandra Stotsky of the University of Arkansas reported, “No material was ever provided to the Validation Committee or to the public on the specific college readiness expectations of other leading nations in mathematics” or other subjects.

In fact, Stanford University professor James Milgram, the only mathematician on the validation panel, concluded that the Common Core math scheme would place American students two years behind their peers in other high-achieving countries. In protest, Milgram refused to sign off on the standards. HeÂ’s not alone.

Professor Jonathan Goodman of New York University found that the Common Core math standards imposed “significantly lower expectations with respect to algebra and geometry than the published standards of other countries.”

Under Common Core, as the American Principles Project and Pioneer Institute point out, algebra I instruction is pushed to 9th grade, instead of 8th grade, as commonly taught. Division is postponed from 5th to 6th grade. Prime factorization, common denominators, conversions of fractions and decimals, and algebraic manipulation are de-emphasized or eschewed. Traditional Euclidean geometry is replaced with an experimental approach that had not been previously pilot-tested in the U.S.

ZeÂ’ev Wurman, a prominent software architect, electrical engineer and longtime math advisory expert in California and Washington, D.C., points out that Common Core delays proficiency with addition and subtraction until 4th grade and proficiency with basic multiplication until 5th grade, and skimps on logarithms, mathematical induction, parametric equations and trigonometry at the high school level.

Malkin objects that the curriculum is being dumbed down, not smartened up, but that's too difficult for Arne Duncan to rebut. So instead he accuses informed parents like Michelle Malkin of wanting to make the test dumber so that their kids can do better on it.

And beyond that, of course, Duncan is sneering at a huge number of Americans -- again, I stress, intensely informed Americans, not low-information dilettantes -- by reducing them to two badges of cultural shame:

1. White

2. Suburban

Can one imagine any instance in which sneering away opponents as "black and urban, so, [eye roll] you know..." would even occur to Arne Duncan, or be countenanced by the media?

But to sneer away opponents as being unfashionably "white" and "suburban" -- so sorry about our race, you know, but God fashioned us this way; and sorry, too, that we do not make enough money to live in the city and pay $30,000 per year for private school -- is just Standard Operating Procedure on the left.

Opponents are never merely wrong -- they are unworthy to even offer an opinion on the functioning of their own (once and future) democracy.

What the left intends is to remove more and more democratic decisions from the hands of the people and entrust them to socialist members of the New Class. They will achieve this in two ways:

1. By operation of actual law, or unilateral executive action, or permanent-government bureaucratic contrivance that forces certain policies upon an unwilling public, and

2. By socially shaming citizens from even daring to express opposition unless they are card-carrying socialist members of the New Class. The easiest opinion to fight, after all, is one that is never even expressed, but instead suppressed by the would-be dissenting individual, for fear of being shamed by the collective.

And that's the goal of Arne Duncan's statement here.

That's the goal of the New Class, generally: To remove more and more democratic functions from the actual demos, and deposit those formerly democratically-informed government functions in the sole and exclusive care of the Approved List of Officially Recognized (Politically Reliable) Experts.

This point is very important, I think. The Party of Government is insisting, increasingly angrily and loudly, that only "Experts" (again, from their carefully-vetted list of "Experts") are capable of offering informed opinions on the most basic functions of government.

Once they pretended to care about what the public believed. It seems so long gone now, but you probably can remember, if you try. In fact, it wasn't even so long ago. Before 2009, politicians did have to pretend to care what the public believed, and would pay a sharp penalty for the indulgence of demeaning the citizens whom they supposedly work for.

That's not the case any longer. They are increasingly brazen and upfront about their deeply-held belief that only they have the capacity for democratic ideation. Only those socialist-leaning members of the New Class have the intellectual capacity and moral enlightenment to participate in American democracy.

Everyone else may participate in one fashion: You can comply with your betters' expert, enlightened plans.

This is insidious. It corrodes the very notion of democracy.

It's also flat-out false, because the self-appointed experts are in fact almost always feckless mediocrities at best and venal incompetents at worse.

It's time for Americans to begin standing up and insisting, "No, this is a Democracy, and as Citizens, it is both our right and our duty to participate fully in it."

In another era, Arne Duncan would pay a price. But not in this era. Because the media, which would usually put a politician in the hot seat for such an anti-democratic and insulting confession of deepest belief, happens to be socialist-leaning members of the New Class themselves, and they agree fully with Arne Duncan.

We are losing America. And unless more Americans actually care about this fact, and begin behaving like Americans again, we will lose it forever.

Flashback: Speaking of Champagne Socialist members of the New Class, and their non-expertise and non-elite status: Ladies and Gentlemen, Matthew Yglesias' raucously amusing pre-Obamacare-launch prediction.


Posted by: Ace at 12:45 PM | Comments (401)
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1 Let me go get 'em...

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 20, 2013 12:46 PM (LSJmV)

2 Two shits what Arne thinks.

Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2013 12:46 PM (vjZKo)

3 Who are not elite, actually.<<<<

The fauxlite.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2013 12:46 PM (iGPSR)

4 Next thing you know we will all be required to wear slip on shoes or Velcro laces. DUHHHH we-are-so-stupid

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 12:47 PM (HVff2)

5 Marxists & Progressives want a dumbed down populace. Period.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 20, 2013 12:47 PM (XvrTA)

6 Easy Ace yer gonna blow a gasket.

Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 20, 2013 12:49 PM (wmU4G)

7 "unworthy" Maybe Arne is just a clone of Wayne's World.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 12:49 PM (HVff2)

8 When I think of Arne Duncan the word "elite" doesn't come to mind; the phrase "choad huffer" does though.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 20, 2013 12:50 PM (+fgMf)

9 Re: #5 In other news, water is wet. After all, can't have the proles thinking for themselves. Why, they might decide they don't need Their Lords And Masters to care for them! I said it before, and I say it again: Leftist thinking is basically neo-feudalism with a new paintjob.

Posted by: Toastrider at November 20, 2013 12:50 PM (YegTc)

10 I saw the White Suburban Moms open for the Black Keys in 2011 at the Toyota Center.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 20, 2013 12:50 PM (LSJmV)

11 Four legs good! Two legs baaaaaad!

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 12:50 PM (QupBk)

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 12:50 PM (PYAXX)

13 Stop trying to fix things. How is that for a governmental philosophy?

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2013 12:50 PM (xDGmz)

14 He quickly reduced millions of voters to, essentially, the level of the mentally retarded and legally incompetent, people incapable of thinking or reasoning, whose actions and beliefs were motivated entirely by fear, hatred, superstition, and ignorance.

Livestock.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 12:51 PM (ZKzrr)

15 God, guns, V-8s, take your pick.
They know better and you should just shut up, clinger racist!

Posted by: RolandTHTG at November 20, 2013 12:51 PM (QM5S2)

16 Two words - Chicago Crony

Posted by: The MSM at November 20, 2013 12:51 PM (aDwsi)

17 A guy named Arne Duncan is making fun of white people.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 20, 2013 12:52 PM (+lsX1)

18 Allen, we've missed you. Wish you had a blog or sumthin' we could check...

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 20, 2013 12:52 PM (LSJmV)

19 At some point we'll have to educated these folks, with a baseball bat.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 12:52 PM (QupBk)

20 Gee, couldn't have anything to do with the massive lies and political propaganda put into it, huh? Like the complete misrepresentation of the 2nd and 3rd Amendments?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2013 12:52 PM (/Crba)

21 The Todd Akin of the Dems.  Will he be castigated 24/7?


Of course not.


And yes, he is a dumb SOB. And common core is starting to look like just as big a bag of shit as Obamacide.


And all because schools are addicted to that federal tit, otherwise the government has zero say in local schools.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2013 12:52 PM (FTQyq)

22 But are they learned to jerk off properly?

Posted by: Joceleyn Elders at November 20, 2013 12:53 PM (OuLGN)

23
fyi to arnie - my Catholic school daughter will be doing division next quarter in 3rd grade.  No, she is not a math genius. (well maybe who knows, but all the 3rd graders will be doing it.)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2013 12:53 PM (iGPSR)

24 Delegitimize and Marginalize anyone who opposes you. This is the Left's M.O. All that talk about Diversity and welcoming all ideas is BULLSHIT. You're either with the Left or you are a stupid racist homophobic bigot.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 12:53 PM (AePd+)

25 "White"
"Suburban"
Code words, for Arne Duncan, Chicago Communists

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 12:53 PM (YEQ2h)

26 Thomas Sowell, as he so often does, put it best.  The Vision of the Anointed.


Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 12:54 PM (6TB1Z)

27 "... concluded that the Common Core math scheme would place American students two years behind their peers in other high-achieving countries." Considering what the teachers unions have wrought on schools, being only two years behind would be a vast improvement. +1 Common Core?

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 20, 2013 12:54 PM (j0wOO)

28 I'll say it again it bears repeating: I know teachers who hate the common core. But Duncan never talks about that. Relatedly, I listen to NPR as a "know your enemy" type thing. And I heard the craziest fucking thing on Monday. They're talking about the FDA trans fat ban, and guest quotes someone who says "The FDA is back with teeth." And they go on a bit and he says "It's good to have a regulatory agency not concerned with the political implications of their actions... He then goes on to talk about the ads that came out against Bloomberg and his soda ban. WTF?! We're not a democracy anymore, we're a monarchy of regulators.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 12:54 PM (GaqMa)

29 By lowering standards, scores will go up, and it will be deemed a success.  This is the new reality.

Posted by: AAA at November 20, 2013 12:54 PM (hQJ+o)

30 This really speaks to why the Republic is doomed. More and more people *really believe* that the Leftists are right. They *really believe* that if the Left says, "Oh, it's fine. You're just too stupid to get it.," then, by golly, they're just too stupid to get it. "They" wouldn't be in positions of power if "they" weren't experts. More and more people *really believe* that only "experts" can know about health care. More and more people *really believe* that only "experts" can know about educating children. And so they're more and more willing to give up their own rights and responsibilities because "They" can run things so much better. Which, on its own, makes the rejection of Obamacare so incredible. These people were *primed* to believe, "Oh, if the Government couldn't do it, no one could," and yet the Dims screwed it up so badly that people are instead saying, "Dude, I could have done this in 1995 with a copy of FrontPage."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 12:54 PM (PYAXX)

31 I would pay good money if one of the State Media appartchiks asked Obama when if was going to fire his Education Secretary for his racist remarks.

And you know what...one question along those lines would probably be enough to force Obama to fire him.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 12:55 PM (P3U0f)

32 >>> the government has zero say in local schools Ridiculous. We could never have people smart enough to run something like a space program without a federal Department of Education.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2013 12:55 PM (xDGmz)

33 Like the complete misrepresentation of the 2nd and 3rd Amendments? Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2013 04:52 PM (/Crba) Lincoln was a Democrat!!!

Posted by: Northeastern Illinois University at November 20, 2013 12:55 PM (j0wOO)

34 My kids are both in elem. school in OH, which is implementing Common Core (often referred to as CCSS - Common Core State Standards). It was adopted by an unelected state board. They had "open" hearings way back before anybody knew what it was, what it entailed, etc. The hearings were basically a rubber stamp affair featuring testimony from paid Common Core cheerleaders, there was no opposition. Now, to get rid of it, it has to go through the legislature. A bill has been introduced to repeal it. GOv Kasich has said he will veto [translation: check's been cashed]. From what I've seen, it sucks, especially the math.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 20, 2013 12:55 PM (XvrTA)

35 "He quickly reduced millions of voters to, essentially, the level of the mentally retarded and legally incompetent, people incapable of thinking or reasoning, whose actions and beliefs were motivated entirely by fear, hatred, superstition, and ignorance." and than many of them went out and voted for him!

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2013 12:55 PM (zqvg6)

36 Did he tell those white women to calm down?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 12:55 PM (XUKZU)

37 Dumb down your kids, or to the camps.  You decide.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at November 20, 2013 12:56 PM (Pr6hk)

38 Ever see White Suburban Mom's in Heat Part 3?



Exquisite cinematography and a captivating screen play.





Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 20, 2013 12:56 PM (wmU4G)

39 Murtha called his constituents dumb and they re elected him.

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2013 12:56 PM (zqvg6)

40 39 I guess he was right.

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2013 12:56 PM (zqvg6)

41 We're not a democracy anymore, we're a monarchy of regulators. Quibble- the word you wanted was "oligarchy."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 12:56 PM (PYAXX)

42 I think it's in Solzhenitsyn somewhere. A joke from the Soviet gulag (and yes, the freezing underfed_zeks_ trapped in the gulag really did continue to make jokes even as the system slowly ground the life out of them).

"They tell us it's about 'scientific socialism'. But if they were really scientific about it, they would have tested the stuff on animals first."

Likewise, if the educrat crew were genuinely serious about improving education in a truly scientific way, they would insist on prototyping and testing, running pilot programs which competitively trialled more traditional programs versus "Common Core" or whatever other nonsense of the week they're pushing, to see what actually works better in practice.

That they insist on the immediate national top-down imposition of their untested, only theoretically justified model really should tell you all you need to know.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 12:57 PM (gqT4g)

43 Opponents are never merely wrong -- they are unworthy to even offer an opinion on the functioning of their own (once and future) democracy. Unpeople. Jesusland. I must admit, I take intense glee when I'm having it carefully Mansplained to me how if only I were more intelligent, more educated and a member an Approved Oppressed Group I would understand those things that are just beyond my pretty little head that, hey, boy howdy, guess what you sponge brained bigot, I am in the top percentile in IQ, I have the preferred Elite degree and I am, in fact, a member of an Approved Oppressed Group. Yet I still do not share the Left's political beliefs for reasons which I can set out in detail. Cue sputtering and false consciousness and internalized homophobia and, my personal faves, you're not actual female and/or queer. That I hold different beliefs for valid intellectual reasons is not even a possible consideration. Good times, good times.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 20, 2013 12:57 PM (VtjlW)

44 Oh, and this is reminiscent of 1984.

In that book the government changed the language to make it impossible to criticize the government - here we see the culture being remade to do the same thing.

For all the talk of truth to power what we can now mostly see a culture designed to make sure state power is surrounded by propaganda so throughly that it cannot be challenged.


Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 12:57 PM (P3U0f)

45 Too bad for Mr. Duncan that all of those White Suburban Moms also make up the bulk of the tax base which pays for  everybody's schooling.  They may just decide to move to a state which doesn't use common core, and take all of those sweet, sweet tax dollars with them.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 20, 2013 12:57 PM (PZ6/M)

46 I saw 'White Suburban Moms' open up for 'Flock of Seagulls' in 1985.

Posted by: phreshone at November 20, 2013 12:58 PM (Pr6hk)

47 A lot of our ancestors died so that we wouldn't have to kiss the ass of a poxied bastard with a title, and that most likely gifted to a king's whore, or a king's bastard, or won with a knife in a king's back.* The Left views those as the good old days. *+5 internets to correctly get the reference

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 12:58 PM (QupBk)

48 It's time for Americans to begin standing up and insisting, "No, this is a Democracy, and as Citizens, it is both our right and our duty to participate fully in it."




We don't have a democracy, we have a republic. If we can keep it.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2013 12:58 PM (yh0zB)

49 More and more people *really believe* that the Leftists are right. They *really believe* that if the Left says, "Oh, it's fine. You're just too stupid to get it.," then, by golly, they're just too stupid to get it. "They" wouldn't be in positions of power if "they" weren't experts.

No, the Leftists always assume they are one of the anointed, it's all those others who need their guidance.  They believe that until they get their 9 grams.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 12:58 PM (6TB1Z)

50 "He quickly reduced millions of voters to, essentially, the level of the mentally retarded and legally incompetent, people incapable of thinking or reasoning, whose actions and beliefs were motivated entirely by fear, hatred, superstition, and ignorance." Unfortunately, for the country, we was right about them. Idiots voted for him anyway... twice... and not just in 2008.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 20, 2013 12:58 PM (j0wOO)

51


There is something seriously wrong with this dude.

Just look at him...there is something fucked up there.



Posted by: Rev Dr E Ed Shults, Esq at November 20, 2013 12:58 PM (xggaJ)

52 God, guns, V-8s, take your pick.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at November 20, 2013 04:51 PM (QM5S2)




I'll go with all of the above, thanks.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2013 12:59 PM (yh0zB)

53 Cue Democracy / ConRepublic pedantry....

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 20, 2013 12:59 PM (KVY+w)

54

There is a huge fight here in Kentucky in regards to the Common Core issue.  My big thing is in the Science Module there is a chapter about Man Made global Warming.  It appears that the Kentucky Schools Authority  will arbitrarily try to just up and run with it over serious objections from Parents and Politicians.

 

And not that Mann.

 

 

Posted by: Registered Voter at November 20, 2013 12:59 PM (nUbHY)

55

What did many of us say when we saw the  devastation of the 2012 election?  I believe I said that America as we've known it has ceased to exist.

 

I still stand by that statement.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 12:59 PM (66ULQ)

56 29--- By lowering standards, scores will go up, and it will be deemed a success. This is the new reality. Posted by: AAA at November 20, 2013 04:54 PM (hQJ+o) ------------------------ THIS. Because all that matters to the new elite is what something looks like ON PAPER. They believe that words and numbers are magic, that they are the highest reality.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2013 12:59 PM (dfYL9)

57 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 04:56 PM (PYAXX) I can never remember that term. Also, I though "monarchy" worked well considering our British roots and that whole revolution thing.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 12:59 PM (GaqMa)

58 Traditional Euclidean geometry is replaced with an experimental approach that had not been previously pilot-tested in the U.S.

-----------------


I hope it's not the same test program I was in as a ninth-grader.  I was assigned to an experimental geometry class where, I kid you not, the "teacher" handed us the geometry textbook on the first day and said "I'm here if you have any questions."  That was it.  No assignments.  No tests.  Nothing.

At the end of the semester we got to grade ourselves with a grade we thought "fair".  I, not being a complete idiot, gave myself an A. 

To this day I have not one clue about geometry.  Not one. 

University of Illinois test program, 1970.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (P6QsQ)

59 For all the talk of truth to power what we can now mostly see a culture designed to make sure state power is surrounded by propaganda so throughly that it cannot be challenged.



Until Reality bashes their heads against a brick wall. (404Care)



Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (d0Dmj)

60 The Department of Education, the EPA and some other department of the federal government need to be disbanded ASAP.

Posted by: Rick Perry at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (P1WNR)

61 War on Women #6,989

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (IXrOn)

62 Common Core is about: Conformity Acquiescence (to gov't overlords) Marginalizing the role of parents and teachers in education Data Collection (frightening stuff people should read up on) Indoctrination (of course)

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (XvrTA)

63 My third grader in Catholic school has started learning division, and they still teach cursive.  Of course, I'm a white, suburban, veteran, conservative mom clinging to my guns and religion so what does my opinion matter?  :/

Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (k55Fc)

64 This is starting to look like the fight over "values clarification" education in the 80s, that Phyllis Sclafly led the fight to expose and derail, Same concern from ordinary parents, same arrogant snootiness and dismissal from the educrats.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (xm1A1)

65 I'll give credit to the Left though. At least they understand they lose nothing by alienating people who don't vote for them anyways. Republicans, however, will walk on eggshells to court illegals and abortion-lovers.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (AePd+)

66 Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 04:55 PM (P3U0f) lol, you are so funny. TFG firing anyone? Let alone a cabinet secretary? LMAO

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (HVff2)

67 OK, off-topic time. It appears that I might actually have some spare cash in the next bit, and I am interested in slowly accumulating some hard metals. What is the best way to buy, for example, some gold double eagles in low numbers (say one or two a month), without paying incredible markups? I realize that there is a markup because it is a popular coin, but what advice would you have to not get ripped off TOO much?

Posted by: David, infamous sock puppet[/i][/b][/s][/u] at November 20, 2013 01:00 PM (qlBdX)

68 We don't have a democracy, we have HAD a republic. If we can keep it. We should have kept it. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (yh0zB) FIFY At least the first part is right. We still don't have a democracy. They got the majority rules part, but the majority voted for socialism.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 20, 2013 01:01 PM (j0wOO)

69 #34 Kasich has been quite the disappointment, no? Right now he's at the same level as that worthless RINO fuck LaTourette imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 20, 2013 01:01 PM (+fgMf)

70 Also, this requires us to be more dickish in public. Get in their faces. Punch back. Cause a ruckus. They will call us loudmouth jerks. And, to many, that's what we'll look like. Embrace your inner asshole. Become an outer asshole.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (ZPrif)

71 51


There is something seriously wrong with this dude.

Just look at him...there is something fucked up there.



Posted by: Rev Dr E Ed Shults, Esq at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (xggaJ
I saw him walk off the ship on "V". "Here to help, always to help. Always in peace."

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (YEQ2h)

72 The name Arne Duncan reminds me of that old Norwegian daredevil, Ole Knudsen. He once jumped 20 barrels with a rototiller.

White people! *shakes head while smirking in a rueful fashion*

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (+lsX1)

73 It's why we have to tear down their credentials. Arne Duncan majored in...wait for it...sociology. He probably couldn't do division until middle school and likely never learned algebra. I agree with the mathematician on the Common Core panel. I mean, if you can't get math right, what the hell is the point of education reform?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (T0NGe)

74 At this point in my life I look around and realize I am constrained by a multitude of laws and regulations I disagree with, and no effective manner to engage to remove them politically.

There is no political party to represent me as the Republicans generally favor the current situation with a few tweaks and no way to opt out of the ever more heavy handed Leviathan.

It is depressed that I grew up in a mostly free country and am now a subject of an emerging oligarchy.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (P3U0f)

75 ..."white suburban moms"... I would truly love to shit in their mouths.

Posted by: marty bashir at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (bMeMt)

76 No, the Leftists always assume they are one of the anointed, it's all those others who need their guidance. They believe that until they get their 9 grams. Sadly... no, they don't. I can point to people in my own social circle as examples. More than one of them are relatives. The biggest example in my family is "Global Warming." They buy into whatever the latest rhetoric and believe that since I'm not a Climate Scientist (see how they restrict the range of "expert"), I can't possibly be informed on what the science says. When confronted by the fact that they aren't experts, and I actually pay attention to this stuff, they take pride in their ignorance with some variation of, "I'm not the one trying to second-guess the experts!" People do it about everything from education to guns to health and the list goes on.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (PYAXX)

77 More and more people *really believe* that only "experts" can know about health care. More and more people *really believe* that only "experts" can know about educating children. And so they're more and more willing to give up their own rights and responsibilities because "They" can run things so much better. {SNIP} Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 04:54 PM (PYAXX) This is a perplexing thing actually. Because healthcare is big and complicated and hard to understand. Oddly though, unlike say a circuit board (which is also complicated and hard to understand) an expert is not the proper thing to apply. Because a circuit board is fairly free from chaos. Healthcare is not. Thusly the best thing to "control" it is, in fact, a market. Millions upon millions making individual decisions resulting in the best overall outcome. And we should know that, we accept it in other places But for some odd reason, with healthcare, we always default back to "experts." (Says the expert.)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (GaqMa)

78 WTF?! We're not a democracy anymore, we're a monarchy of regulators. Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 04:54 PM (GaqMa) *twtiches on ground* delegationdoctrinemotherfuckerdoyouspeakit *twitches on ground* Oh oh oh oh you know what else is joyous? Being told that since I am childless, I have absolutely no right at all to discuss or criticize education policy. That's fun.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 20, 2013 01:03 PM (VtjlW)

79 Like much of Mr. Obama's agenda, this is meant to reduce us to racial demographics and pit those groups against each other.

The  fundamental essence of a community "organizer" is divisiveness. Understand that and you will understand everything Mr. Obama does.

I find it completely ironic and sad that people who voted for Obama based on "white guilt" or some type of perceived improvement in racial harmony that would suddenly be realized due to his skin color and the "history" of it all have received exactly the converse. That is, I've never seen people so divided along racial lines and income strata. In fact, I can't ever recall being more divided as a nation.

Ultimately that has zero to do with race. It has to do with an incapable, self-absorbed, untalented, bigoted, divisive person whose put their personal predilections over the good of an entire nation he is meant to serve.

Posted by: Marcus at November 20, 2013 01:03 PM (GGCsk)

80 I know a bunch of teachers who hate common core. It's just another standard that won't help improve education.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 20, 2013 01:03 PM (WdbF7)

81 All day long CNN fas been trying to make "tea party favorite" Trey Radel the Face Of The Republican Party. This is what Dumb People see, not the stuff we discussed today.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 01:03 PM (AePd+)

82 You're on a roll today Ace. Good job.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2013 01:03 PM (oFCZn)

83 Does 'Common Core' discuss the risks of capsizing Guam?

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D) Georgia at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (Pr6hk)

84 All these proggers remind me of that friend you used to have who knew a 100 ways to make love to a woman, but didn't know any girls.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (QupBk)

85 I said it here yesterday, but it bears repeating: On parents' night, my daughter's Algebra II teacher said it is a VERY GOOD THING for the kids to be lost and not understand the problems. It was all I could do to not haul off and smack her smug fucking face. She was baffled that I didn't see the wisdom in having kids be frustrated until they suddenly and magically "learn." Moreover, the workbook is a joke, with errors that even I, an English major who hasn't done serious math since college calculus in 1989, could find. My favorite was the baseball traveling at 60 feet per minute. OTOH, TFG's Opening Day pitch for the Nationals would qualify for those types of speeds, so maybe they were thinking of him. Another thing that bears repeating, while I'm at it: Fuck these people.

Posted by: jakeman at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (vH4YP)

86 I'd say America is probably already lost...

look it is a lot like the headline thing at Tepid lamenting our kids don't run as fast as we did and are not as competitive...

well "duh" we have gone from being a highly competitive people to Participation Trophy Nation...

the NEA knew exactly what it was doing.

http://tinyurl.com/nnjwmtg

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (9jfyN)

87 At least the first part is right. We still don't have a democracy. They got the majority rules part, but the majority voted for socialism.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 20, 2013 05:01 PM (j0wOO)




Painfully true.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (yh0zB)

88 This was quite the animated topic at school pickup today.

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (CMlD4)

89 We're gonna spread the education around a little.....

Posted by: Arne Duncan at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (LA7Cm)

90 The goal of dumbing down is to reduce the "achievement gap". It's the same thing that happens when fire departments get sued for using tests on fire safety and knowledge for promotion. If too many whites pass it then the test gets "reformed" until everyone passes it and promotions are based on coin-flips, not merit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (ZPrif)

91 I saw "Feckless Mediocrities" open St. Andrew's Hall for Black Flag back in 1986. Rocking show.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (L9AnB)

92 I would pay money to watch Michelle Malkin in a knife fight debate with Arne Duncan.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (xDGmz)

93 I have been advocating the abolition of public schools here on AOS for several years.   It is the only way we will ever fix this shit.  It is a multistage process.


First the State legislatures must remove in references in their Constitutions to a State provided or supervised education.


Once that has been accomplished ALL public schools in the State will be shutdown within two years.  That to give time for parents to establish private schools.


The poor (real poor) in the State will receive vouchers to assist in sending their children to a private school.  Those students (and all) will be expected to pass their grades and behave or be expelled.


Special schools funded by the counties will be established for the incorrigible. (reform schools)  Trade schools will be established with internship in private industry at the HS level for those who are not academically inclined.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (FTQyq)

94 Arne Duncan is an American education administrator who has been United States Secretary of Education since 2009. Duncan previously served as CEO of the Chicago Publik Schools

Posted by: cajun caret at November 20, 2013 01:04 PM (UZQM8)

95 And unless more Americans actually care about this fact, and begin behaving like Americans again

You mean by stringing up the king's men?  Yeah, that's not happening anymore.

Posted by: Gman at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (UkbKS)

96 I'm starting to sense that the next few years are going to be rough, and possibly require a fallout shelter.  To quote a disgraceful charlatan I once hear on tv, "chickens. Comin. home. To roost."

Posted by: @ParisParamus at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (/vlep)

97 Do you want your kids to have the education Overland KS provides? Or, South Central LA? Only a donk hack implies the goal is that of the later.

Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (kkbgQ)

98 Republicans, however, will walk on eggshells to court illegals and abortion-lovers.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 05:00 PM (AePd+)

This. Really pisses me off. The Pubs use Marquis of Queensbury while the Donks are bare-knuckle. Or, we mount cavalry charges against their machine guns.

We HAVE to start playing as ruthlessly as they do.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (YEQ2h)

99 No, the Leftists always assume they are one of the anointed, it's all those others who need their guidance. They believe that until they get their 9 grams.
***
It is entertaining to go on Lefty sites and seeing individuals complain about Obamacare reducing the quality of their health care and increasing their costs.

The refrain is always "but someone else was supposed to pay for all this stuff!"

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (P3U0f)

100 74 Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 05:02 PM (P3U0f)-------------------------------------- And I truly agree with you on this. What is sadder is I see my 3 20 something daughters facing worsen conditions after my passing.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (HVff2)

101 Also left out of the discussion are the earlier revelations that the Common Core's "language arts" and other non-math sections are rife with subtle and not-so-subtle Marxist frameworks and PC narrative. The High Information Voters saw through this shit, and they do not like it. Yet for some reason these revelations have not yet caught the overall public's attention.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (+cx5n)

102 in the Science Module there is a chapter about Man Made global Warming Of course there is. Of course there is.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:05 PM (T0NGe)

103 And somebody please name for me one, I say one, accomplishment that is the sole product of Mr. Obama and his administration that has undeniably led to a better life for our populace or safer nation?

Posted by: Marcus at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (GGCsk)

104 It's also Michelle's top weekly story at the root of her site. http://michellemalkin.com/ I understand using Part 1 was integral to the post topic.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (IXrOn)

105 I agree with the mathematician on the Common Core panel. I mean, if you can't get math right, what the hell is the point of education reform?

How can math compete with the things you truly need to know like how to put a condom on a banana and which oppressed minority is being honored each month? 

Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (k55Fc)

106 Duncan previously served as CEO of the Chicago Publik Schools

Posted by: cajun caret at November 20, 2013 05:04 PM (UZQM


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which everyone knows is doing just a bang-up job.  And contains no suburban white mothers.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (P6QsQ)

107 As bad as the "white suburban" kids are going to do with Common Crap, the "colored urban" demographic is going to plumb the depths of failure under the program.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (L9AnB)

108 90 It's the same thing that happens when fire departments get sued for using tests on fire safety and knowledge for promotion. If too many whites pass it then the test gets "reformed" until everyone passes it and promotions are based on coin-flips, not merit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 05:04 PM (ZPrif)


No, then promotions and hiring is based on quotas and AA.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (FTQyq)

109 hahahaha, now Wolf Blitzer is asking why Boner is being so tolerant of Radel when Boner bounced Chris Lee a couple of years ago for just tweeting a shirtless pic of himself.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (AePd+)

110 There is a whole industry of Diversity Consultants and test designers that re-design tests to comply with court and lawsuit ordered "reforms". The reforms always are to reduce achievement gaps. So all demographic groups score roughly the same on average. The only way to do that is to dumb it down so almost everyone passes. Then you select names from a hat for promotion.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

111 Oh oh oh oh you know what else is joyous? Being told that since I am childless, I have absolutely no right at all to discuss or criticize education policy. That's fun. Posted by: alexthechick They were saying that because they thought it was polite. What they really meant is that you can't discuss policy because you're a woman. Didn't you get the DHHS memo? Seen and not heard, sweetie.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (j0wOO)

112

"Does 'Common Core' discuss the risks of capsizing Guam?.."

 

Capsize?  Oh, no, that's not in the picture.  Might reduce it's IQ some but that's all. 

Posted by: General Chaos at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (LA7Cm)

113 Education Secretary Arne Duncan: Common Core Opponents Are Just "White Suburban Moms" Upset to Learn Their Children Aren't "Brilliant" Note to "White Suburban Moms": Go ahead, keep voting for those Democrat assholes. I dare ya.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 20, 2013 01:06 PM (vd7A8)

114 This honkey donkey has seen the righteousness of the Common Core.

Posted by: Reverend Wright at November 20, 2013 01:07 PM (Pr6hk)

115 85 jakeman at November 20, 2013 05:04 PM (vH4YP)

One nice thing about the Grapes of Wrath poverty Obama is bugchasing is folk will take a lot more interest in their kids' learning....

those that have kids.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2013 01:07 PM (9jfyN)

116 And it's funny how no one is mentioning that druggie degenerate Patches Kennedy..

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 01:07 PM (AePd+)

117 Math is for cocksucking fags!

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 20, 2013 01:07 PM (+lsX1)

118 I believe the Republic of Texas has decided against using common core in their classrooms, which is what you'd expect.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2013 01:07 PM (P1WNR)

119 "I'm not the one trying to second-guess the experts!" That's why you need a universal credential: "People go into climate science because math is too hard for them." Crush the credentials.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:07 PM (T0NGe)

120 Just get rid of the fucking Ed Dept. Since the Peanut Farmer paid off the unions with it, has education gotten better? If no, and it's obviously no, it should be an easy fix.

Posted by: --- at November 20, 2013 01:07 PM (MMC8r)

121 Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 05:05 PM (P3U0f) That whole line about "The problem with socialism is you run out of other people's money." yeah, we're there.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 01:08 PM (GaqMa)

122 By the way, these will be the same "White Suburban Mom's" who vote for Hillary because- Historic11!!

Reap what you sow.

Posted by: Marcus at November 20, 2013 01:08 PM (GGCsk)

123 HOORAY!! A common core thread! The next shit to hit the fan of the Obama administration.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 01:08 PM (RZ8pf)

124 This has happened to many fire departments in particular. The old tests were labeled discriminatory because it rewarded the "fire geeks" -- dudes who were really into firefighting tech and read books on it in their spare time. The "fire geeks" skewed white and black guys who passed over (because they didn't know as much about firefighting) sued for discrimination. And won.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:08 PM (ZPrif)

125 >>> Being told that since I am childless, I have absolutely no right at all to discuss or criticize education policy. ... If ATC hasn't stabbed me for my last post... I've had people say this to me. My response is, "You're right. I have no role in this. I will send you my property/ school tax bill."

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (j0wOO)

126 Hubris.  Along with their usually veiled contempt showing through, it smacks of hubris.  They know better than every school district in this country, and by gum, that's the way it's gonna be.

They've been real successful so far, eh?

This speaks to your earlier post, Ace.  It doesn't matter what their success record is or has been in the past.  All that matters to them is their desire to be "helpful" and that they "care".  Well, fuck off, Arne.. and you too, SCOAMF.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (f9c2L)

127 [92] Or Susan Choi.

Posted by: redenzo at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (bMeMt)

128 But of course when discussing Common Core, the elephant in the room isn't Democrats pushing dishonest schemes to prop up the bloated, corrupt, inept education-industrial complex.

The elephant in the room is No Child Left Behind, pushed by Republicans, who were complete idiots for having tried to "reform"  and redeem an utterly irredeemable system.

(Protip: if Ted Kennedy cheerfully endorses and energetically works on behalf of your legislation, it just might possibly not be conservative in nature.)

As proponents of NCLB explained it, the problem with the education-industrial complex is not that it exists, but that it lacks accountability. Which, they said, they would bring to bear. They would create Standards. There would be Feedback. The incompetent would be Fired.

I said at the time that their thinking was complete poppycock. I noted that the educrat establishment is a central armored fortress of the institutional left. One of their sacred bastions. That they would absolutely never, ever submit meekly to any imposition of accountability.

And that what would happen instead would be that as soon as the left got back in power, what they would do would be to push new "standards" with a suitably low bar so as to allow even the most unfit educrats to comfortably continue in their sinecures. While being afforded the new protection of cosmetic "accountability" for performance.

Which, mirabile dictu, is what has happened to the letter.

The only justifiable conservative stance vis-a-vis education policy is to make a brutally clear argument that Federal involvement in education has been a multidecadal disaster, costing a ton of money while actually lowering educational attainment. And that we need to get the federal government permanently OUT of the business of schooling.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (gqT4g)

129 Oh oh oh oh you know what else is joyous? Being told that since I am childless, I have absolutely no right at all to discuss or criticize education policy. That's fun.

Education policy, or anything else, because you aren't "contributing to society"

Now shut up and pay your taxes so all those high school dropouts whose dropout kids make them grandmothers at 36 can have more free shit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (ZKzrr)

130 Notice how Hollywood portrays small town America.  It is either idyllic where everybody except a few wackobirds are progressive, see Northern Exposure, or they are evil often times disguised as good but underneath is a simmering cauldron hatred and corruption.  Consider, for example, the movie Red State, in which fun loving teenagers are lured by fundamentalists Christians to be a sacrifice.  And did you catch the name of tht movie, Red State.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (XUKZU)

131 We HAVE to start playing as ruthlessly as they do.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 05:05 PM (YEQ2h)




Nice guys don't finish last. They get killed and eaten along the way.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (yh0zB)

132 Remember Jeb Bush is all over this common core stuff, and not in a good way. Click on Michelle's main page article, and it will bring up all the Jeb Bush related pieces to common core. That means there is money in it for him. That is all.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 01:09 PM (IXrOn)

133 More war against women,  eh?

Posted by: Dang at November 20, 2013 01:10 PM (YWXTN)

134 As bad as the "white suburban" kids are going to do with Common Crap, the "colored urban" demographic is going to plumb the depths of failure under the program.
***
The ignorant are easier to lead. It is why the Democrats generally do better among younger voters...because they don't know any better...yet.

If you can make deep ignorance the norm, you've already set the stage to implement a technocratic regime that can pass itself as representative when in fact the same oligarchy will hold the majority of the power in society no matter how the populace votes.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 01:10 PM (P3U0f)

135 69 #34 Kasich has been quite the disappointment, no? Right now he's at the same level as that worthless RINO fuck LaTourette imo. Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 20, 2013 05:01 PM (+fgMf) Yes, he's big on touting his jobs added/balanced budget/reduced size of state gov't, which is fine. But he sold out big time on Common Core (deal-breaker for me) and has said he would veto right-to-work. They have that shit in Michigan and he say's he'll veto w/ an R majority in both houses of state legis.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 20, 2013 01:10 PM (XvrTA)

136 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 05:08 PM (ZPrif) Aren't there some firefighters fighting with a different lawsuit claiming they were discriminated against for being white?

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 01:10 PM (GaqMa)

137

Feckless mediocrities and venal incompetents.

 

I would simply modify that with  "grasping".

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2013 01:10 PM (fsLdt)

138 And somebody please name for me one, I say one, accomplishment that is the sole product of Mr. Obama and his administration that has undeniably led to a better life for our populace or safer nation?

Well, he did ship a bunch of Evil Killer Assault Weapons to Mexico where they couldn't spontaneously murder American school children.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2013 01:10 PM (SY2Kh)

139 I believe the Republic of Texas has decided against using common core in their classrooms, which is what you'd expect. Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2013 05:07 PM (P1WNR) with the exception of Jeb

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 01:11 PM (IXrOn)

140

Coercive  Common  Core   Practices    (CCCP).

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 20, 2013 01:11 PM (w41GQ)

141 We aren't losing America. It's already gone.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 20, 2013 01:11 PM (4/o9U)

142 Hey Arne ,  Go Fuck Yourself. 

Posted by: Dick Cheney at November 20, 2013 01:11 PM (m2CN7)

143 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at There's a name you don't see around as much. I've missed the ritual SCOAMT. Good to see you.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 20, 2013 01:11 PM (1S9oZ)

144 There's something about the name "Arne Duncan" that makes me want to start punching.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (oFCZn)

145 Random example: http://eagnews.org/10th-grade-class-reads-erotic-novel-recommended-by-common-core-proponents/ "This is a 10th grade literature book that was used in my son’s class at Buena High School in Sierra Vista, Arizona. The whole class read this book out loud during class. Everyone in the class had a copy of this book. This book was recommended by Common Core Curriculum. The following excerpt is taken from page 80: “Hugo and Felicia stripped in their room, dissolving easily into one another, and made love against the whitewashed walls. Hugo bit Felicia’s breast and left purplish bands of bruises on her upper thighs. He knelt before her in the tub and massaged black Spanish soap between her legs. He entered her repeatedly from behind. “Felicia learned what pleased him. She tied his arms above his head with their underclothing and slapping him sharply when he asked. “‘You’re my bitch,’” Hugo said, groaning. “In the morning he left, promising to return in the summer.” Here’s a photo of the passage:" ...etc. "“Dreaming in Cuban” is found on page 152 of this recommended list: PAGE 152 — Garcia, Cristina. Dreaming in Cuban. New York: Random House, 1993. (1992) — From “The Languages Lost: Six Days in April” Along with this information in Appendix B is a link to which teachers and students are to refer: Media Text — Portal to selected interviews with author Cristina García. By directing teachers and students to the interview with Cristina Garcia, it is easy to see that Common Core becomes basically a marketing tool to launch Cristina Garcia’s latest book – King of Cuba – which undoubtedly has more pornographic, raunchy, inappropriate, lascivious, prurient, and sexualized language in it." ...etc. Such exposés are cropping up every day. Someone needs to do a definitive compilation.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (+cx5n)

146

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2013 05:04 PM (FTQyq)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

In your step by step plan, you forgot one of the more basic things that need to be done. 

 

Cancel all property taxes.  Let us have our private property rent-free.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (66ULQ)

147
(Protip: if Ted Kennedy cheerfully endorses and energetically works on behalf of your legislation, it just might possibly not be conservative in nature.)
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Same with Schmuckie Tumor.  Rubio wishes he had known that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (XUKZU)

148 Commies been doing this for a century. They take control of the levers of power and they don't need anything close to a majority to control it all.

Posted by: Invictus at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (FBkKA)

149 with the exception of Jeb Posted by: artisanal 'ette


Jeb is in Florida where he belongs.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (P1WNR)

150 That whole line about "The problem with socialism is you run out of other people's money."
___
Cap'n she canna take any more!

Posted by: Chief Engineer Geithner before leaving the printing presses at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (P3U0f)

151

>>OK, off-topic time. It appears that I might actually have some spare cash in the next bit, and I am interested in slowly accumulating some hard metals. What is the best way to buy, for example, some gold double eagles in low numbers (say one or two a month), without paying incredible markups? I realize that there is a markup because it is a popular coin, but what advice would you have to not get ripped off TOO much?

.

.I use APMEX for Silver mostly.  Never had a single issue with them and they are just over spot prices daily for both Silver and Gold.

Posted by: Registered Voter at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (nUbHY)

152 Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 20, 2013 05:03 PM (VtjlW) Sorry I forgot about your blood pressure....

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (GaqMa)

153 90 The goal of dumbing down is to reduce the "achievement gap".

It's the same thing that happens when fire departments get sued for using tests on fire safety and knowledge for promotion. If too many whites pass it then the test gets "reformed" until everyone passes it and promotions are based on coin-flips, not merit. Posted by: Flatbush Joe

Yup.  My kids attended the Thomas Jefferson HS for S&T, here in lovely blue NoVa.  That school is the single best school in the nation, by any measure.  The local libs were upset that the school was mostly asian, and especially upset that there were very few black & Hispanics.  Naturally, we had to change the admissions to "holistic standards".  Meaning we'll admit whomever we please, with a guaranteed percentage of the aforementioned favored groups.

Bottom line: after implementing these "standards", they still couldn't significantly change the demographic makeup.

Another data point: the GT (gifted and talented, IOW smart) program in the elementary schools, implemented "holistic standards" as well, over the objections of us white, suburban parents.  They admitted a bunch of minorities that wouldn't have otherwise made it into the program.  You know what happened.  Kids who would have done well in their base schools had their psyches permanently damaged because they all flunked out. 

But hey, we're the stupid ones.


Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (6TB1Z)

154 It is either idyllic where everybody except a few wackobirds are progressive, see Northern Exposure

That show was a generation ago.

Now the progressives show up and enlighten and "fix" the town.  Which is actually I think what the character of Chris was supposed to be in Northern Exposure; Joel being a yuppie fixated on on the evils of financial success and whatnot.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (ZKzrr)

155 In defense of Common Core, a lot of kids have seen significant improvement in their twerking skills since it was included in the physical education module.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 20, 2013 01:13 PM (+lsX1)

156 So were behind in math and science, the solution push back basic math principles until kids are older, ok got it.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 20, 2013 01:13 PM (WdbF7)

157 Before Elvis, there was nothing.
-J. Lennon

Posted by: RolandTHTG at November 20, 2013 01:13 PM (QM5S2)

158 Nearly every written test has an "achievement gap" because the avg black high school senior reads at the 8th grade level. If different segments of your employees have 4-5 grade differentials in reading ability, that tends to show up in written test results. The diversity consultant test reformers always do the same thing -- they have to dumb it down to the lowest common denominator. An A student and a C student can both read children's books equally well, that won't differentiate them. And non-differentiation is the goal.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:13 PM (ZPrif)

159 ......."and massaged black Spanish soap between her legs. He entered her repeatedly from behind"........
Yeah, that'll get em hot all right........

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 01:14 PM (YEQ2h)

160 So the federal government is pushing Sex Ed before long division?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2013 01:14 PM (P1WNR)

161

We aren't losing America. It's already gone.

 

I'm not quite there yet.

 

 

But like a trip to Myrtle Beach when I was a kid  --  "We're getting, close.   You can  smell  the  ocean kids"

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2013 01:14 PM (fsLdt)

162 And somebody please name for me one, I say one, accomplishment that is
the sole product of Mr. Obama and his administration that has undeniably
led to a better life for our populace or safer nation?
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Apparently he fixed the whole global warming thing...while he was working as a community organizer - no rise in temperate in 15-20 years or so. That's something right?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 01:14 PM (P3U0f)

163 Jeb Bush is FL not TX 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 20, 2013 01:15 PM (BXhlo)

164 This is why my kids will always be in private school from now on. Well, no, the real reason is The Incident at a public school. But this just reaffirms my commitment.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 01:15 PM (PYAXX)

165 fyi to arnie - my Catholic school daughter will be doing division next quarter in 3rd grade. No, she is not a math genius. (well maybe who knows, but all the 3rd graders will be doing it.)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

Exactly.  And my fourth grader is doing Latin word roots and algebra.  Some of their material is labeled "Common Core Enhanced" - but the teachers have explained that they have to use the verbiage, question formats, and methodologies being slogged by the Common Core folks or else the student will be confused on the standardized tests.  Several of the example tests show math problems where you have to know the Common Core methodology, not just get the right answer. 

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 01:15 PM (CMlD4)

166 Posted by: 18-1


He personally double tapped Bin Laden.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2013 01:15 PM (P1WNR)

167 OK.... Hmmm... White Male, MENSA member... took calculus in my Freshman year of High School.. you know.. back when we had Gifted Programs... Went to US Navy Nuclear Power School... got out of the program on purpose once I figured out what I'd be doing for a Living... Electronic Technician for the US Navy... once rated as the Best Tech in Hawaii.... One of the nations first MCSE (Microsoft Certified Systems Engineers).... Taught Satellite Comms for the Navy, then Network Engineering to adults... for a total of 14 years Education Experience including writing Tech courses for both Military and Civilian courses... Raised two Genius level children... by myself.... And this Non Suburban Mom says that Common Core is a disaster, as it destroys any chance of anyone actually improving education. It allows the Federal Government to Program our children with crap.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2013 01:15 PM (lZBBB)

168 In defense of Common Core, a lot of kids have seen significant improvement in their twerking skills since it was included in the physical education module.
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Woohoo!

Posted by: Safe Schools Czar Jennings at November 20, 2013 01:16 PM (P3U0f)

169 113  Note to "White Suburban Moms": Go ahead, keep voting for those Democrat assholes. I dare ya.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 20, 2013 05:06 PM (vd7A


Actually looking at white females from the exit polls in 2008 they went Republican by a narrow majority (about 53% if I recall correctly)  Its the black females voting 96% and and Hispanic females voting 75% for Dems that make overall females shit to Democrat.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2013 01:16 PM (FTQyq)

170 Consider, for example, the movie Red State, in which fun loving teenagers are lured by fundamentalists Christians to be a sacrifice. And did you catch the name of tht movie, Red State. Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 05:09 PM (XUKZU) A Kevin Smith production. I enjoyed some of his earlier movies but gave up on him when I saw Jason Lee in an extra on the Dogma DVD (I think it was that) excoriating Christians. Jason Lee is a Scientologist and YOU'RE saying Christian doctrine is ludicrous? Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2013 01:16 PM (oFCZn)

171

Here in Washington we too got our common core via inaction by the state legislature. The superintendent of public instruction (he who was arrested for drunk driving yet still managed to keep his job and get re-elected) said that if the legislature did not act in the, I think it was the 2011 legislative session, on common core then he would unilaterally adopt it for the state. He then proceeded to get some Democrat cronies to keep it off any committee agendas for the legislative term and voila, now we have common core.

 

 

Common core is seriously destructive to public school education. Michelle Malkin has done a great job highlighting its failures. It is one topic that really unifies those on the right and the left and frankly Republicans would get votes by discussing how awful it is. But, here is the thing, Republicans themselves are making bank on common core implementations so they won't do it.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 01:16 PM (RZ8pf)

172 Say what you will about Arte Duncan, but he was great on 'Laugh-In.'

Posted by: --- at November 20, 2013 01:16 PM (MMC8r)

173 Kids who would have done well in their base schools had their psyches permanently damaged because they all flunked out. So that's an easy problem solved, nobody flunks out. They've been doing it at law schools for decades.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:16 PM (T0NGe)

174 ot weaselzippers Hookers Praise Obamacare: “I Really Support Obamacare… This Is Truly A Blessing”…

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 01:16 PM (IXrOn)

175 Maybe they'll start installing "black Spanish soap" in the dispensers at school, now. For the children.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 01:17 PM (YEQ2h)

176 Vic - Trade schools will be established with internship in private industry at the HS level for those who are not academically inclined Or those smart enough to realize that there is great money to be made doing an honest days work in a trade. Without the burden of a crushing student loan debt for a useless degree.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 20, 2013 01:17 PM (1S9oZ)

177 He personally double tapped Bin Laden.

Yep, blew him away with my gats like this [holds guns sidewise...however still wearing mom jeans]

[Looks at Reggie Love] Shut up Reggie and don't you dare talk about the stakes in our poker game that night. And I want my shirt back dammit. Its a nice shirt.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 20, 2013 01:17 PM (P3U0f)

178 pep, I've already had people ask me if I'm going to track my son to TJ instead of the Catholic HS.  He's in 4th grade, wtf.

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 01:18 PM (CMlD4)

179 Unforeseen consequence, more word based math problems leads to huge problems for the ELL student population.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 20, 2013 01:18 PM (WdbF7)

180 The new smart: Global warming is real and consent of the governed is not.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 01:18 PM (XUKZU)

181 "and massaged black Spanish soap between her legs. He entered her repeatedly from behind" Is this available on Amazon?

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 01:18 PM (QupBk)

182
Two shits what Arne thinks.

Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2013 04:46 PM (vjZKo)









Hell, I wouldn't give one shit. I've only got two left and the weekend is coming up.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2013 01:19 PM (TIIx5)

183 Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 05:15 PM (CMlD4) Common Core math questions like: "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...." (Ok, so far so good for a K or 1st grade question.) "...Why?" (WTF? How do you answer that?!)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 01:19 PM (GaqMa)

184 The Diversity Nazis final goal is to dumb down the bar. They've dumbed down the PSAT, SAT, and GRE. The goal is always to de-correlate the tests with IQ. Because achievement gap. That's why Mensa no longer accepts PSAT, SAT, or GRE test scores. They used to. They were dumbed down in the 90s.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:19 PM (ZPrif)

185 "Aren't there some firefighters fighting with a different lawsuit claiming they were discriminated against for being white?"

If that's the suit I'm thinking of, they got slapped down by Sonia Sotomayor in federal appeals court shortly before Obama elevated her to a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court.

Because _by definition_ discrimination can only be experienced by nonwhites.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 01:20 PM (gqT4g)

186 "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...." (Ok, so far so good for a K or 1st grade question.)
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Well, I'd have to see the bridges myself. By the way I've never seen a bridge named "A" before.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 20, 2013 01:20 PM (P3U0f)

187 Arne Duncan, who did nothing positive for the Chicago Public School system, is bringing his special magic to the United States at large.

Posted by: ejo at November 20, 2013 01:20 PM (GXvSO)

188 One compound word. Homeschooling.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:20 PM (L9AnB)

189 gatewaypundit had a lot of good examples of what is in it http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/?s=common+core as did weaselzippers (but, I don't think you can search his site for them... never tried)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 01:20 PM (IXrOn)

190 And this is why I'm so fed up and disgusted with Prince Reebus and the GOP. Afghanistan. I hate that place. We should not be there. Republicans have absolutely nothing to say?? They're okay with with the status quo?? A dozen or so troops a month coming home in coffins? I'm sick of it.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 01:20 PM (AePd+)

191 Sort-of OT: I never got why Affirmative Action bake sales charged Asians less. If the symbolism is to hold, Asians should be charged a bit more.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:21 PM (T0NGe)

192 He said this when discussing Common Core with a bunch of School Superintendents. Probably indicative of how they talk about us amongst themselves.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 01:21 PM (JRmiD)

193 Cancel all property taxes. Let us have our private property rent-free. Posted by: Soona
..........
You don't like property taxes?  Don't move into a municipality with them.  Easy peasy.  Move somewhere with:

No roads
No police
No fire department
No water
No sewers
No schools

You see, it's shit like this that get conservatives painted with the broad brush of being retarded.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 01:21 PM (f9c2L)

194 "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...."
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If you want to work for the Obama regime, the correct answer is, "Which do you want to be longer?"

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 01:21 PM (XUKZU)

195 "The Diversity Nazis final goal is to dumb down the bar. They've dumbed down the PSAT, SAT, and GRE.  The goal is always to de-correlate the tests with IQ. Because achievement gap. That's why Mensa no longer accepts PSAT, SAT, or GRE test scores. They used to. They were dumbed down in the 90s."

Brawndo has electrolytes.

Posted by: President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho at November 20, 2013 01:22 PM (gqT4g)

196 "...Why?" (WTF? How do you answer that?!) The "right" answer is something PC, no doubt. But I would be tempted to say, "Well, they tried building Bridge B the same length as Bridge A, but it kept falling into the river."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 01:22 PM (PYAXX)

197 146  Cancel all property taxes. Let us have our private property rent-free.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 05:12 PM (66ULQ)



Except a lot of States, like SC, have gone to sales taxes to finance schools because financing schools with property tax is racist because of poor black counties. 


Yes, cancel ALL school taxes.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2013 01:22 PM (FTQyq)

198 Arne Duncan, fuck you, too! Let's move on.

Posted by: soothsayer and col frank slade at November 20, 2013 01:22 PM (AePd+)

199 You know what's funny?  Homeschooled children and privately schooled children run rings around publicly schooled children, except in the areas of sexual training and homoerotic studies.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2013 01:22 PM (If54N)

200 Of course, in the long run we find out talent matters, that life is, in many ways, an IQ test. They dumb down the tests to obscure talent differences, but the smarter families are better at figuring out how to manipulate the bureaucracy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:22 PM (ZPrif)

201 If you want to work for the Obama regime, the correct answer is, "Which do you want to be longer?"
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Oh I know the answer to that one.

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 20, 2013 01:23 PM (P3U0f)

202 We only need you smart enough to obey orders.

Posted by: Arne Duncan at November 20, 2013 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

203
Black Urban Moms never think their kids are Brilliant.

Posted by: Arne Duncan at November 20, 2013 01:23 PM (iGPSR)

204

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

 

And that should have been the last of this jerk's campaign right there.  He should never have gotten anywhere near the Presidency, and would not have in a country that still had a tradition of independant journalism instead of the propaganda-shovellers we are saddled with.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 20, 2013 01:23 PM (MXyBs)

205 I also believe that we're starting to get to the point of having serious discussions about secession.   We're not there yet, but it's coming.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (66ULQ)

206 "holistic" standards are always about trying to obscure talent differences because Achievement Gap.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (ZPrif)

207 Black Urban Moms never think their kids are Brilliant.
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Just innocent.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (XUKZU)

208 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 05:22 PM (PYAXX) I honestly have no idea how to answer that question though. Because it is? That's the definition of longer...more feet in length. Short of a philosophical treatise on value systems, I'm not even sure there is an answer.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (GaqMa)

209 And that should have been the last of this jerk's campaign right there.
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What percentage of LIVs do you think ever heard the speech?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (P3U0f)

210 "You don't like property taxes? Don't move into a municipality with them. Easy peasy. Move somewhere with: No roads No police No fire department No water No sewers No schools"

Where I live, water and sewer aren't paid for out of my property taxes. Separate billing.

I've been in places where the fire department was an annual-fee item.

There are more direct and more accountable ways to fund basic services and core infrastructure.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (gqT4g)

211 That's why you need a universal credential: "People go into climate science because math is too hard for them." Crush the credentials. You need to wade into Slashdot a couple of times per week. Those dolts are HUGE worshipers of AGW and "Climate Scientists".

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (sByIH)

212 But Derbyshire must be declared anathema and expelled from polite society for suggesting that racial groups have measurable differences in aggregate intelligence. I'm sorry that some types of people are just dumber. Why don't we just go full Brave New World and start programming people's thoughts in their sleep: Oh, I so glad I'm not an alpha, they're so terribly clever and have to work so hard. I like being a gamma. Green is a pretty color.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (L9AnB)

213

I mean I really can't emphasize how BAD common core is without turning purple and stroking out. And, as much respect as I had for Bill Gates in the past, if I ever saw him in person I would tell him "fuck you for messing up the education of a decade or more of our children just so you could "experiment" with education reforms. Glad your privileged brats are in private school getting the best educations so that you and yours can continue to rule the world as you see fit. But stay the fuck out of my home with your stupid education reforms."

 

 

 

Bill Gates and his Gates Foundation have royally screwed up education in numerous school districts around the country, well before he started riding the "common core" stuff hard. Grrrrr, aaaaaaahhh, arrrrgghhh, the vein, in my head, it is twitching.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (RZ8pf)

214 If we like your indoctrination, you will keep your indoctrination.

Posted by: Arne Duncan at November 20, 2013 01:24 PM (MMC8r)

215 Common Core is also targeted at the hated (by the fascists) home-schoolers. All standardized tests will be CCSS-aligned. So you will have no choice but to teach their garbage. 'Course the way we're headed, home-schooling will be illegal in a few years anyway.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 20, 2013 01:25 PM (XvrTA)

216 White suburban moms will all have to die before racism ends, period.

Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the california cggensteins at November 20, 2013 01:25 PM (RPDkq)

217 207 Black Urban Moms never think their kids are Brilliant. - Just innocent. --- "My baby was a good boy! There was no need to shoot him in the head even though he had a gun on that woman! That good samaritan with the pistol should have driven off and minded his own business!"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2013 01:25 PM (/Crba)

218 I also believe that we're starting to get to the point of having serious discussions about secession. We're not there yet, but it's coming.
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I'm pretty sure that if anything happens to Barry I get to become president. I remember reading that in the Declaration of Independence.

You conservatives could really use with some book learning.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 20, 2013 01:25 PM (P3U0f)

219 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (f9c2L) Well, since the POINT is to get rid of public schools, that answers one of your list right there. But let's look at the others, shall we? Roads- they aren't, but they're *supposed* to be paid by your gas tax. Water/Sewers- huh, I pay a special fee for those (plus garbage collection) every month. Fire/Police- We have this funny thing called a "sales tax" which mostly funds those. Also, in light of recent events, I'm not actually opposed to seeing police departments reduced in size and scope. The only "retarded" position here is the one that assumes, a priori, that getting rid of the property tax is necessarily a bad idea. It might still *be* a bad idea, but your current list of reasons is not compelling.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 01:26 PM (PYAXX)

220 From the perspective of well-thought out Atheism, all social interactions are a game, whose prize is those things which Atheists crave (wealth, prestige, power, climax, and reproductive success). And it often does seem as if the interactions between the upper classes and the "lower classes" take place within this context. I.e. that the members of the upper classes go out of their way to provoke and manipulate the lower classes in all sorts of underhanded ways.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:26 PM (M8OWQ)

221 Common Core is meant to do the following.

Make teacher performance appear better.

Make student performance appear better.

Indoctrinate Students to leftest ideology.



The last thing the Education Industrial Complex is about is the actual education of children.

It's a racket like any other, if a child learns great, if not, whatever, NEXT!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 20, 2013 01:26 PM (qH/2Y)

222 Dummy, most people here pay State income taxes, state sales taxes, gas taxes, county taxes, local taxes, AND property taxes. That's in addition to federal income tax. Enough already with the 'roads, bridges, schools and police' shit.

Posted by: soothsayer and col frank slade at November 20, 2013 01:26 PM (AePd+)

223 Good post Ace. "Traditional Euclidean geometry is replaced ..." In the Fed-punished high schools of my decrepit town, they still teach Euclidean geometry ... without proofs! Unfrickenbelievable. "How does this rectangle make you feel? Are you sad that parallel lines never meet? Is it fair that equilateral triangles are more equal than scalene triangles?"

Posted by: gp at November 20, 2013 01:26 PM (mk9aG)

224 192 He said this when discussing Common Core with a bunch of School Superintendents. Probably indicative of how they talk about us amongst themselves.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (JRmiD)

Oh, you mean like when the hired "Diversity Counselor" comes to your Junior High and gets in your face and says why you suck as teachers is because you are a bunch of clueless middle-aged white women? From a guy who is an overdressed black Chicago pimp dude? (OK I made up the pimp part-I don't really know what he does with his free time).

Happened to a very good friend of mine. The local school board paid for this m-fucker to come and insult the poor unfortunates who are tasked with teaching the local ghetto spawn.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 01:27 PM (YEQ2h)

225 178 pep, I've already had people ask me if I'm going to track my son to TJ instead of the Catholic HS. He's in 4th grade, wtf.
Posted by: Jean

You really have to think about it now.  If you have aspirations, your kid will take the test in a few years, and they will go by faster than you can believe.  The Asian parents will have their kids in Saturday math cram classes.  Not saying that's bad, just that that's what you're up against. 

My advice: be realistic.  If your kid is truly brilliant, he'll enjoy TJ far more than a regular school.  It is an Ivy League experience for free.  If smart, but not brilliant, he's far better off in his base school, but in the GT program and AP.  The competition will crush him.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 01:27 PM (6TB1Z)

226 And, as much respect as I had for Bill Gates in the past, Bill Gates is a college drop out.

Posted by: --- at November 20, 2013 01:27 PM (MMC8r)

227 And, of course, ideology and classism play a large part in the whole matter.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:27 PM (M8OWQ)

228

Here in Kentucky Property taxes are broken down nearly to the dime on who gets what versus the property tax bills I got in Connecticut before we moved.

 

My last annual Connecticut Property Tax bill in Montville, CT......$3988.69 total no breakdown.

My first annual  Kentucky County Tax bill:

State   163.90

County 90.01

School  634.11

Library  80.60

Health  29.55

Extension  24.18

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Registered Voter at November 20, 2013 01:27 PM (nUbHY)

229 Arne Duncan is from Chicago, which means he is part of the machine. The machine used to be a bunch of privileged thugs, but now they are privileged socialist elites. The Harvard crowd saw the money and chased it.

Remember the Chicago Chief of Police, who blamed the Pilgrims arriving in this land for the epidemic or gang murders in his city? I'm sure Arne Duncan approves.

The left is in charge of the Dem party, but now the mask is slipping. So I say don't interrupt your enemy when he is busy hurting himself.

http://tinyurl.com/6mntuzu

Posted by: PJ at November 20, 2013 01:27 PM (ZWaLo)

230 Ace writes: "We are losing America. And unless more Americans actually care about this fact, and begin behaving like Americans again, we will lose it forever." My plan is "Irish Democracy" coupled with an effort to maintain Islands of America within the Socialist collective. I have long believed that THEY cannot exist without US, and I will be very interested in seeing how the actual experiment turns out.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2013 01:28 PM (bb5+k)

231 >>> I never got why Affirmative Action bake sales charged Asians less. Chinks just don't like cookies.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 20, 2013 01:28 PM (xDGmz)

232 Didn't Google and Microsoft get in some trouble cause their job interviews were basically IQ tests? Dirty little secret of Silicon Valley is how little Diversity they have. They have lots and lots of white and asian male geeks.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:28 PM (ZPrif)

233 No roads, No police, No fire department, No water, No sewers, No schools Can I add a few? No light rail No city paid for sports arenas No city city funded convention centers No NEW public schools with multi-million $ sports (while they close and raze 20 year old schools) No new billion $ courthouses

Posted by: shredded chi at November 20, 2013 01:28 PM (1S9oZ)

234 "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...."
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The elementary school question is, "Is it fair that Bridge B is longer?"

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 01:28 PM (XUKZU)

235 Bill Gates and his Gates Foundation have royally screwed up education in numerous school districts around the country, well before he started riding the "common core" stuff hard. Grrrrr, aaaaaaahhh, arrrrgghhh, the vein, in my head, it is twitching. Was it Gates who released a bunch of mosquitos into a room with potential donors and then told them they now have Malaria?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 01:28 PM (sByIH)

236 Enough already with the 'roads, bridges, schools and police' shit.
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Taxes are by far my biggest yearly expense. And that is just the direct stuff.

Arguably government is taking over half of the productivity of the average member of the middle class.

Yet another example of a point the Republicans could be making...if they were interested in rolling back Leviathan.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 01:29 PM (P3U0f)

237 I apologize if you are too stupid to understand my brilliance.

Posted by: Arne Duncan at November 20, 2013 01:29 PM (ozktE)

238 You see, it's shit like this that get conservatives painted with the broad brush of being retarded.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (f9c2L)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Do you live in OK, you Chicago thug asswipe?  Property taxes in OK go  for public education. 

 

But go ahead and talk your shit.  I rarely read your comments anyway.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 01:29 PM (66ULQ)

239 Posted by: David, infamous sock puppet at November 20, 2013 05:00 PM <<<

I have found APMEX to be decent.  Also watch craig's list, there is a massive metal trade going on there and *sometimes* you can find it at spot and no shipping fees.  be wary...public place...yada yada.

Posted by: Arne Duncan at November 20, 2013 01:29 PM (iGPSR)

240 One reason all the asian kids take Saturday classes -- the families know they are being discriminated against. They know this is a competition rigged against them. But they intend to win anyway.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:29 PM (ZPrif)

241 It is interesting that Leftists always find a lot to say about "suburban soccer moms" but very little to say about "urban thug moms" (the parallel pejorative, inflammatory construct). Likewise, it is quite interesting that Leftists always find a lot to say about, say, 5th century Jamaica but very little to say about 20th century Russia.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:30 PM (M8OWQ)

242 I really don't give a rat's ass if my kid fails the standardized testing.  It's a snapshot of one day's performance.  The public schools care because of the funding that goes along with the test scores. 

Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 01:30 PM (k55Fc)

243 Bill Gates is a college drop out. True, but meaningless.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 01:30 PM (sByIH)

244
off duncan sock/

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2013 01:30 PM (iGPSR)

245 You don't like property taxes? Don't move into a municipality with them. Easy peasy. Move somewhere with:

No roads


The road I live on is privately owned and maintained, but while we're on that subject...why exactly do I pay a car tax AND a gas tax then, not to mention registration fees?


No police


And we have state income taxes...why exactly?


No fire department


TN has some counties where you buy into fire departments, no buy in = the fire department shows up just to make sure the fire doesn't spread off your property. I see no problems with that.


No water
No sewers


Well and septic tank here.


No schools


My little shit gets private school, for all the good it's doing him (by his choice BTW, I'm a bit upset with him right now)...and besides, isn't the public schools what we were just talking about?


You see, it's shit like this that get conservatives painted with the broad brush of being retarded.


Because we never had any of those things you mentioned in the history of EVER until we had property taxes, right?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2013 01:30 PM (yh0zB)

246 Well, since the POINT is to get rid of public schools, that answers one of your list right there.
...............
AllenG - welcome back!

But wait a sec.. getting rid of public schools is the point?  No, thanks.  I want to live in a community  that can, if it likes, decide to fund public schools to whatever the electorate allows.

The problem with public schools is not their existence.  The problem is the liberals running them and the politicians who have organized them to the point where they can promise them exorbitant retirement packages in exchange for votes and GOTV efforts.

There is nothing wrong with the IDEA of public schools.. the implementations is what has got fouled up.

And 90% of people in any town in this country would agree with me. 

So, yes.. talk of doing away with public schools is politically retarded.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 01:31 PM (f9c2L)

247 War on Womyns!!!! Oh wait, he's a Dem. Nevermind.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 20, 2013 01:31 PM (9Bdcz)

248 Oh yeah, one more thing, Arne Duncan's second-in-command at Dept. of Ed. is a Bill Ayer's BFF called Linda Darling-Hammond (I call her Ayer's-Darling-Hammond). And our Terrorist Emeritus, Mr Ayers, has been inserting himself more and more into "education policy". So there's that.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 20, 2013 01:31 PM (XvrTA)

249 Got a cousin who tutors on the side in NoVa. All east asian and south asian kids. They aren't behind at school. They are A students. They are trying to do even better. Middle school kids preparing for SATs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:32 PM (ZPrif)

250
"Yet another example of a point the Republicans could be making...if they were interested in rolling back Leviathan."

Someone was spouting off that crazy talk a few years ago. "Revolution," he said.

Then we realized that any rolling back of Leviathan means that the troughs would no longer be filled with tasty pork.

We like pork. No more of the crazy talk.

Posted by: The Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party at November 20, 2013 01:32 PM (gqT4g)

251 "We are losing America. And unless more Americans actually care about this fact, and begin behaving like Americans again, we will lose it forever."

Wasn't that the whole idea?
Fundamental Transformation into Venezulastan.

Gonna need a bigger burning.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at November 20, 2013 01:32 PM (QM5S2)

252 I will be enjoying all the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the moms at my son's school over common core since 3 years ago I was standing on tables and shouting "hey, listen, this is horrible and we need to pay attention to it" and they were all like "that's boring, and we don't want to focus on it right now" and then went on talking catty about other moms who had the audacity to complain about the petty acts of socialism the PTA was forcing them to participate in.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 01:32 PM (RZ8pf)

253 Socialist education, aka public education, has always been socialist. Look at it this way. It's an incentive to make enough money to send your kids to private school. There they will be taught the basics and given proper snob PC attitudes. They will get into college and you can beat the PC attitudes out of them. Get off my lawn.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 01:33 PM (0FSuD)

254 234 "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...." - The elementary school question is, "Is it fair that Bridge B is longer?" Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 05:28 PM (XUKZU) Bridge B is longer because its Black?

Posted by: Third Grader after sex ed class at November 20, 2013 01:33 PM (lZBBB)

255 The centralization of education/formation/indoctrination, is, of course, a profoundly Soviet and undemocratic, and even antidemocratic idea, having to do with concentrating palpable power in the hands of a very small, ideologically-driven self-appointed technocratic vanguard elite (which inevitably pursues its own class interest).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:33 PM (M8OWQ)

256 "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...."

You add them up and divide by two.
Then they both get a prize.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at November 20, 2013 01:34 PM (QM5S2)

257 What the left intends is to remove more and more democratic decisions from the hands of the people and entrust them to socialist members of the New Class. To the point they are giving us talking points for our Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners. I'm so sick of these bastards. http://tinyurl.com/ldxoybu

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 01:34 PM (IXrOn)

258 They aren't behind at school. They are A students. They are trying to do even better.

They must be bored to tears during classes designed to keep the lowest common denominator off the streets for a few hours every day.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 01:34 PM (ZKzrr)

259 GGE - The point is:  Some towns, once they reach a size and a willingness by the resident to start certain services have to have a way of paying for it.  There are always exceptions and alternate means of paying for it.

I simply meant that a cry for closing all public schools (like Vic's little rant) and the call for no property taxes is politically stupid.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 01:34 PM (f9c2L)

260 Because we never had any of those things you mentioned in the history of EVER until we had property taxes, right? --- So... besides roads, sanitation, education, wine, and security, what have the Romans ever done for US?!?

Posted by: The People's Front of Judea at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (/Crba)

261 "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever." -- Lenin "It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed." -- Lenin Etc.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (M8OWQ)

262 No roads, No police, No fire department, No water, No sewers, No schools

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Cool. 

Adjust spending to include only roads, police, fire, water, and schools.

Easy Peazy!!

Posted by: fixerupper at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (nELVU)

263 Asian bridges are notoriously undersized.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (L9AnB)

264 and with that, I'm heading home.. I need a drink.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (f9c2L)

265 Didn't Google and Microsoft get in some trouble cause their job interviews were basically IQ tests? Dirty little secret of Silicon Valley is how little Diversity they have. Depends on your definition of diversity. Microsoft has a LOT of Russian, Asian, Ukrainian, Indian, and Caucasian guys. There are also a surprising number of women. As to their job interviews, the "Full Loop" is five interviews, including a 1.5 hour lunch interview. Anything tech can be asked. Typically it's whiteboard problem solving Computer Science questions like implement a Bellman Ford shortest paths algo, or Knuth Morris Pratt string search, or Zig Zag binary tree printing. They also ask situational questions like how would you handle a developer who always resolves your bugs without looking at them?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (sByIH)

266 OT: Cool colorized photos of olden days.

http://tinyurl.com/kflv5lj

http://tinyurl.com/mutqcuf

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (XUKZU)

267 When the left praises "democracy" they are not refering to the individuals, but to the collective "general will." Individuals are idiots, but somehow combine Borg-like into a godlike whole. Why, even individuals getting together and voting might not be a true expression of the "general will"! It is up to these "experts" who divine the "general will" like haruspex poking through rooster guts, and determine what the "democratic" solution is, regardless of whether the people vote for it or not.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 20, 2013 01:35 PM (XvHmy)

268 You see, it's shit like this that get conservatives painted with the broad brush of being retarded.

Again, you good for nothing shit-burger.  Why aren't you at kos where you belong?  Or is it DU?  I can never keep it straight where you fucking idiots are from.

Posted by: Gman at November 20, 2013 01:36 PM (UkbKS)

269 There is nothing wrong with the IDEA ... the implementations is what has got fouled up. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 05:31 PM (f9c2L) heh...

Posted by: cajun caret at November 20, 2013 01:36 PM (UZQM8)

270 "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...."

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320 what??

Posted by: fixerupper at November 20, 2013 01:36 PM (nELVU)

271 We should burn down all the Colleges and Universities, salt the ground, and start over

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2013 01:36 PM (nzKvP)

272 You don't like property taxes? Don't move into a municipality with them. Easy peasy. Move somewhere with: No roads No police No fire department No water No sewers No schools You see, it's shit like this that get conservatives painted with the broad brush of being retarded. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (f9c2L) You are aware that you can move to unincorporated areas where such things do not exist, yes? For heaven's sake, have you never had to live through the near shooting wars that develop when city water gets extended to rural areas? To say nothing of those portions of the country where fire fighting services are provided by volunteer squads only. I see you also have never heard of that brand new creature called the septic tank. Or areas where the only police available are state troopers. Or where only some percentage of the roads are paved. Or where the school district is the entire county and, hey, home schooling is a thing. Also, and it must be because my tits and vagina lower my IQ so much, but I fail to see any requirement contained within the inherent nature of such services/goods to require property taxes to fund such services/goods. Merely because you appear to be unable to exhibit mental agility in any kind or manner whatsoever to ponder alternate funding sources does not make such funding unpossible.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 20, 2013 01:36 PM (VtjlW)

273 "Dirty little secret of Silicon Valley is how little Diversity they have. They have lots and lots of white and asian male geeks."

Fen's Law.

One of my longstanding crusades is to start forcing leftist-affiliated outfits like Google to live by the rules which the left profess should be imposed on everyone.

To include forced mandatory "diversity" in hiring and promotion at all levels. Full racial quotas. Disparate-impact rules. Just like, say, the fire department.

You can imagine they would get the point right quick.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 01:36 PM (gqT4g)

274 At least the centralized testing in China actually uses objective standards. Standards designed to differentiate as much as possible. Standards designed to find the smartest kids. That's what the PSAT and SAT once were designed to do -- to find that smart farm boy and pluck him out of obscurity and make him an engineer. It was a tool of social advancement for the middle class, the great unwashed. A very clear tool, with clear standards. Now the ruling class wants to obscure the path to advancement, so they can fudge the #s and run their racist Diversity programs in the darkness and obscurity.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:37 PM (ZPrif)

275 Posted by: The Political Hat at November 20, 2013 05:35 PM (XvHmy) Whoa. Nice. You should get a website like AllenG.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 01:37 PM (QupBk)

276 Whooooole lot of white suburban Moms in Montgomery, Bucks, Chester, and Burks County, PA. They are the ones who turned that state pale blue. Be a shame if a certain political party gained the upper hand on education AND health care with these voters. Be a real 20 electoral vote shame, in fact.

Posted by: CAC at November 20, 2013 01:37 PM (Oxj3c)

277 And, of course, the vanguard caste doesn't particularly care about the interests of the "lower castes," or of "the (lower caste, and therefore inferior) children," their well being, interests and so forth. Ideology and self/class interest(s) predominate.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:37 PM (M8OWQ)

278 I simply meant that a cry for closing all public schools (like Vic's little rant) and the call for no property taxes is politically stupid.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 05:34 PM (f9c2L)




Except that it's not, and before we had a DEA we had schools that the communities supported ALL BY THEMSELVES!!! and the students got a MUCH better education. It has been done before and it can be done again, if we can get away from the idea that the government is the answer to all of our problems.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2013 01:37 PM (yh0zB)

279 Chill the fuck out, gman. Jerry is a long time moron. He's only talking about property taxes FFS, not giving your firstborn to the state for raising.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:38 PM (L9AnB)

280 *Berks

Posted by: CAC at November 20, 2013 01:38 PM (Oxj3c)

281

Instead of Common Core,   they should concentrate on making high schools either a tech school or a college prep school.  

 

One size fits all is dumbassery.   Always has been.  

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2013 01:38 PM (m2CN7)

282 There is nothing wrong with the IDEA of public schools. Oh yes there is. Very much yes there is. I went to public school and I say burn them all to the ground. The tedious pseudointellectual crap that I've had to endure while my competitors in Europe and Asia took real courses like Math and Stuff Directly Related to Math and Math in a Second Language and History of Math with Proof pisses me off. I managed to get a Ph.D. in Math in spite of the weak standards permitted by my school and by learning a lot on my own. I have two Eastern European colleagues who gave up tenured positions in the US to go to Western Europe because American schools are so bad. That's the reason they left. And Common Core will make it worse. In the meantime, academia is now obsessed with getting women into mathematics jobs in the US. And they're not doing a bad job, if you account for the fact that none of them was in the US before graduate school.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:38 PM (T0NGe)

283
Arne Duncan

Unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate.

Thanks again, Republican Senators, for your careful and considered attention to Presidential nominations.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2013 01:38 PM (kdS6q)

284 The problem with public schools is not their existence. The problem is the liberals running them and the politicians who have organized them to the point where they can promise them exorbitant retirement packages in exchange for votes and GOTV efforts. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 05:31 PM (f9c2L) I think the one thing is a side effect of the other. I don't know if you've noticed, but pretty much anything run by the government tends to be filled up with Democrat bureaucrat sorts of people.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2013 01:38 PM (bb5+k)

285 Chill the fuck out, gman

I know who Jerry is.  And he's a good for nothing shitburger troll that belongs at kos or DU.  Read his fucking posts.

Posted by: Gman at November 20, 2013 01:38 PM (UkbKS)

286 Note to "White Suburban Moms": Go ahead, keep voting for those Democrat assholes. I dare ya. Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque

Some do. Most don't.  Cuccinelli beat McAuliffe handily in the White Married Women demographic.

Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 01:39 PM (HjPtV)

287 They deem opposition to be wholly illegitimate due to a lack of understanding or moral center, and quickly sneer off entire swathes of the population by reducing them to a derogatory social cliché. --- This really does describe the Obama Administration. I would say though that to be fair, most of the Governing Class does this.

Posted by: Y-not at November 20, 2013 01:39 PM (zDsvJ)

288 >> "Bridge A is 200 feet, Bridge B is 320, which is longer...."

Glad they included the "which is longer" part, because otherwise students wouldn't know, eh?

>>Arne Duncan's second-in-command at Dept. of Ed. is a Bill Ayer's BFF called Linda Darling-Hammon...

I hadn't heard that. It both horrifies me *and* doesn't surprise me. Ayers' impact of education of the past few decades is a travesty.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 01:39 PM (JRmiD)

289 He's only talking about property taxes FFS, not giving your firstborn to the state for raising.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 05:38 PM (L9AnB)

 

He accused another moron  of giving conservatives a bad name.  If  you dish it expect to get it. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2013 01:39 PM (m2CN7)

290 255 The centralization of education/formation/indoctrination, is, of course, a profoundly Soviet and undemocratic, and even antidemocratic idea, having to do with concentrating palpable power in the hands of a very small, ideologically-driven self-appointed technocratic vanguard elite (which inevitably pursues its own class interest). Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 05:33 PM (M8OWQ) Astute, and eloquent.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2013 01:41 PM (bb5+k)

291 I don't know if you've noticed, but pretty much anything run by the government tends to be filled up with Democrat bureaucrat sorts of people. Organizations attract organizational men, not entrepreneurs. It's like a law or something.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 01:41 PM (QupBk)

292 "Life is not an easy matter. ... You cannot live through it without falling into frustration and cynicism unless you have before you a great idea which raises you above personal misery, above weakness, above all kinds of perfidy and baseness." -- Trotsky And, of course, the upper classes, especially the upper classes entranced by "Marxist ideals" don't particularly have any "great idea or ideas." Merely profoundly-imbecilic memes which serve to maximize their power and well being.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:41 PM (M8OWQ)

293 Holy Fuck, holding off on multiplication until FIFTH grade?!! I was doing that in third grade back in the late seventies. And my school was just a suburban school in a lower middl, if not lower, class neighborhood. It's not like it was a high pressure yuppie kind of school. What is it Insty keeps saying about public schools being child abuse?

Posted by: J. Random Dudes phone at November 20, 2013 01:41 PM (i5TbY)

294 CalTech is one of the only schools that still just uses raw test scores for admission. And they get a lot of shit for their very low % of blacks and hispanics and their huge asian population. Of course, on the plus side, if you are black at CalTech everybody knows you really are really smart and deserve to be there.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

295 I have a beach house in a private gated community of 700 homes. We own the roads and we pay our own cops. We pay 14% of the entire county's property tax. For that we get a fire station in the development. No school. We pay for our own garbage pick up. We can not vote, since most of us are non residents. The county is 40% Black. Guess where the tax money goes?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 01:42 PM (0FSuD)

296 Some do. Most don't. Cuccinelli beat McAuliffe handily in the White Married Women demographic.
***
Unfortunately a significant portion of women are married to Uncle Sugar.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 01:42 PM (P3U0f)

297 This is fantastic. Nicely done, Ace.

Posted by: MJ at November 20, 2013 01:42 PM (PRPp1)

298 "Dirty little secret of Silicon Valley is how little Diversity they have. They have lots and lots of white and asian male geeks." --- Even the former may be in short supply. When I talked with one particular company about a job, which I believe was a defense / aerospace company like Raytheon, they said that the only opening they had for what I was doing would be in Silicon Valley and that it would be around 90% Asian.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2013 01:42 PM (/Crba)

299 I don't know if you've noticed, but pretty much anything run by the government tends to be filled up with Democrat bureaucrat sorts of people. Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

Posted by: --- at November 20, 2013 01:42 PM (MMC8r)

300 ChiTown Jerry is not a troll and his stupid opinions have a place here just like the rest of the stupid opinions.

Posted by: soothsayer and col frank slade at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (AePd+)

301 White Suburban Moms tend to really, really want to not be called a racist. Which is why the race card works so well against them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (ZPrif)

302 I was surprised and impressed by the common core program and its implementation at our school. I don't know about the higher math (we have a second grader). The expectatations ARE significantly higher for achievement, parental involvement and homework.

Posted by: slick at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (RIdwM)

303 Guess where the tax money goes?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 05:42 PM (0FSuD)


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Somebody elses benny package.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (nELVU)

304 Instead of Common Core, they should concentrate on making high schools either a tech school or a college prep school. That's what Germany does. You see, our public school system was the old system Germany rejected. Now, the top ~30% go to gymnasium. The rest go to a general public school which is more like our public schools. And yes, they are more hierarchical and elitists. But rather than dim bulbs like Arne Duncan, at least their elitists deserve the title.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (T0NGe)

305 The tedious pseudointellectual crap that I've had to endure while my competitors in Europe and Asia took real courses like Math and Stuff Directly Related to Math and Math in a Second Language and History of Math with Proof pisses me off.

Yeah, but your high school had a football team.

(Face I am making right now: http://is.gd/2Sw3k5)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (ZKzrr)

306 What's needed is a nationalized version of the Los Angeles circa-70s era school busing program that was so successful in desegregation and fostering wonderful, long lasting race relations.

(OUCH!) ... why, I was just knocked down from behind, by someone laughing! What?

Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the california cggensteins at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (RPDkq)

307 American adults: Ungovernable. American students: Unteachable. It's hell out there.

Posted by: Meremortal, thinking of low info mofos at November 20, 2013 01:43 PM (1Y+hH)

308 Common Core, is no good for anyone, Robin has explained why, it's like viral code, introduced into your system, or gamma radiation,

Btw, re that CBS poll they weighted the Dem net sample from +/- 2, to +6, inflating the final number.

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at November 20, 2013 01:44 PM (Jsiw/)

309 ChiTown Jerry is not a troll and his stupid opinions have a place here just like the rest of the stupid opinions

We'll have to disagree on your first point, because it's pretty fucking obvious he agrees with pretty much nothing here.

Your second point, yeah, sure. ok

Posted by: Gman at November 20, 2013 01:44 PM (UkbKS)

310 And those memes tend to manifest themselves within the context of the "social game" Leftists/Atheists like to play. Discredit/disgrace/defame/manipulate/silence all opposing voices. Which is what one does if one's "ideas" (or intellect) are such that they cannot really be defended in a civilized or intellectual manner.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:44 PM (M8OWQ)

311 gman, polynikes Ah, I see. Still don't think it was meant to be as personal as all that, but point taken. When you come from a place so far out as Chicago, it can be difficult to understand alternative ways of operating. Lucky he didn't say that bribes are just as American as apple pie.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:45 PM (L9AnB)

312 In the 2012 election, 54% of all married women in Pennsylvania voted for Romney.  And that was 30% of the vote in PA.

Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 01:45 PM (HjPtV)

313 I feeling sick.  Someone call a corpse-man!

Posted by: OCBill at November 20, 2013 01:46 PM (rFipM)

314

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2013 05:42 PM (/Crba)

 

Since Soona did not reply to my Baylor / Oklahoma bet I will wager  you  72.5 ounces  of    fools gold  plated  bars  on  A&M  whooping the Tiggers.    

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2013 01:46 PM (m2CN7)

315

He's only talking about property taxes FFS, not giving your firstborn to the state for raising.
Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 05:38 PM (L9AnB) 


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I'd say that sending your child to government schools, 5 days a week, 7 hours a day, 185 days a year, for 12 plus years IS  giving your firstborn to the state for raising. 




Posted by: mama wingr at November 20, 2013 01:47 PM (P6QsQ)

316 Yeah, but your high school had a football team. True, but when I was in elem. school, that particular district didn't. The population was considered to be too small.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 01:47 PM (T0NGe)

317

ah, and now starts the commenters who begin to discuss how impressed they have been by common core.

 

 

 

 

You know what, it won't work on me, because I took the fucking training for "grassroots activism" for common core, thanks to a fat grant by Bill Gates. I have the binder, I know what I am "supposed" to be saying about common core, and guess what it matches quite nicely with what certain commenters on websites who dare post something negative about common core say to generate positive buzz for common core.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 01:48 PM (RZ8pf)

318 Funny thing, if you've ever been to Chicago (which I don't wish on anyone, well maybe some) Jerry is probably seen as a rabid right-winger. That place is God-Forsaken.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 01:48 PM (YEQ2h)

319 In the 2012 election, 69% of unmarried women in Pennsylvania voted for Obama.  That's why the Dems love marriage penalty taxes. 

Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 01:48 PM (HjPtV)

320 Caltech: 1% black 40% asian

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:48 PM (ZPrif)

321 Dumbing down the whole system is certainly one way to get rid of those nasty statistics that say certain children simply do not succeed in school as well as the children of White Suburban Moms, on average. Can't have people asking why shitloads of wasted taxpayer money won't bring their test scores up; better to just dumb down the tests.

Posted by: kartoffel at November 20, 2013 01:49 PM (EcHOO)

322 I'd say that sending your child to government schools, 5 days a week, 7 hours a day, 185 days a year, for 12 plus years IS giving your firstborn to the state for raising. I'd agree. Hence: homeschooling.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:49 PM (L9AnB)

323 Where is JWest? This is right in his wheelhouse.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 01:50 PM (zOTsN)

324

317: paranoia is a disease of the ego

Sorry for sharing actual experience, not.

Posted by: slick at November 20, 2013 01:50 PM (RIdwM)

325 The easiest opinion to fight, after all, is one that is never even expressed, but instead suppressed by the would-be dissenting individual, for fear of being shamed by the collective.

Is it irony or my psychosis that I have to dial some comments back several notches.  Or I'm just not as funny as EOJ?

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2013 01:50 PM (DL2i+)

326 if you've ever been to Chicago (which I don't wish on anyone, well maybe some) Jerry is probably seen as a rabid right-winger. That place is God-Forsaken. That was my point, more cogently made.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 01:50 PM (L9AnB)

327 Most tone-deaf statement by a Cabinet member since James Watt, September 1983?

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 20, 2013 01:50 PM (BvTwT)

328 They just had to get that word "Common" in there. Next up: "Collective Ed". It's got a ring to it.

Posted by: Meremortal, thinking of low info mofos at November 20, 2013 01:51 PM (1Y+hH)

329 Kerry: Muslim Brotherhood 'stole' Egypt revolution Published: 11.21.13, 00:30 / Israel News Secretary of State John Kerry is accusing Egypt's well-organized Muslim Brotherhood of having "stolen" the revolution that toppled longtime autocrat Hosni Mubarak in 2011. Speaking on Wednesday to leaders of multinational US firms, Kerry said the Islamist group had appropriated the revolt against Mubarak from young people who started it in large part through social media. Kerry said their use of web-based technology "drove that revolution." But then, he said, it "got stolen by the one single-most organized entity in the state, which was the Brotherhood." (AP) ??? Which all of us with 1/2 a brain told you would happened, but Nooo Noooo , did you listen to us? Now you come around to that point of view. Ah fuck you horse face and that commie bastard you work for

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2013 01:51 PM (nzKvP)

330 The manner in which vanguard Leftists tend to insult the Middle Class is quite interesting. The insults are always of a 'We hate you because you are too attractive, rich, successful, and intelligent i.e. superior and you're making the people about whom we really care (the "disadvantaged") look bad' variety. It is an insult which is almost flattering, and intentionally so. Middle-Class people tend to internalize it in a way ('we are superior, and they hate us because we are superior, and because they love the inferior, and therefore we should hate the inferior') which serves Leftism's kyrocratic interests.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:51 PM (M8OWQ)

331 >>Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2013 05:27 PM

"Diversity Counselor", huh?
The Diversity industry is such a racket.

Years ago I worked for an international company in DC and we had people from all over the world working side by side. Then there was in incident between a white female director (total beyotch) and an African American male manager (my awesome boss) involving racial slurs by the female director. He quits, and the entire company has to undergo "Diversity Training." So we have a room full of internationals (i.e. the personification of diversity) being lectured on essentially American black-white relations for two full days.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 01:52 PM (JRmiD)

332 "Cuccinelli beat McAuliffe handily in the White Married Women demographic."

Republicans customarily do win that demographic.

What Cooch failed to do was to even come anywhere close to the percentage of the white married women vote that Romney did in VA in 2012. If Cooch had pulled those votes at Romney levels, he'd be Governor-elect.

Why? Predominantly so-con culture war against gays rhetoric.

There may have been a time in Virginia politics when candidates could talk about homosexuality being "contrary to natural law" (as Cooch said in just those words in 2009) and still win the votes of white married women.

That time is past. We're in the post-_Will and Grace_ era, and white married women predominantly think that gay-bashing is distasteful.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 01:52 PM (gqT4g)

333 Single women are the Democrat constituency,especially those with children.Married women get mugged by reality.

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2013 01:52 PM (zqvg6)

334 Caltech is only 31% white.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:52 PM (ZPrif)

335 The last couple of months I have been questioning the lefts alinsky gameplan. I'm starting to think they have been planning a helter skelter scenario all this time as a back up plan for when the veil dropped and they lost control. I'm not entirely convinced we make it to jan 2017.

Posted by: Evil Libertarian at November 20, 2013 01:52 PM (AZiWx)

336 Hah...check out the Healthcare.gov button on the sidebar.

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2013 01:53 PM (fsLdt)

337 and, and, Arne Duncan, you ass the reason why our white suburban kids are no longer doing well is because half of the common core materials are absolutely incomprehensible to anyone with a functioning brain. Do not, DO NOT get me started on compatible numbers--numbers that look good next to each other. Oh, I am sorry 27 x 41, you guys don't look good next to each other, how about 30 x 40 instead? Yes, those numbers are lovely next to each other. What?????

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 01:53 PM (RZ8pf)

338 Married women get mugged by reality.

That's the exact opposite of my experience, but whatever.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 01:53 PM (ZKzrr)

339 Since Soona did not reply to my Baylor / Oklahoma bet I will wager you 72.5ounces of fools gold plated bars on AM whooping the Tiggers.

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2013 05:46 PM (m2CN7)

 

 

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Heh.  When I saw them play their first game of the season, I knew OU would be just average  at best.  I've been making no bets this year.

 

Stoops  may be a great coach, but I'm beginning to think he sucks as a recruiter.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 01:53 PM (66ULQ)

340 I'd agree. Hence: homeschooling.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 05:49 PM (L9AnB)


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I wasn't cut out for homeschooling, and I knew it, so we sent our kids to Christian school.  It put us in a precarious financial position but it was by far the best money we ever spent and I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 20, 2013 01:54 PM (P6QsQ)

341 The manner in which vanguard Leftists tend to insult the Middle Class is quite interesting.

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My GAWWWD you bitter clingers are soooo thin skinned.

- Barrack Hussein Obama

Posted by: fixerupper at November 20, 2013 01:54 PM (nELVU)

342 I am a ND girl, the product of public schools and land grant universities. Through fate and dumb luck I have become very familiar with members of the new illuminati. They are educated, but remarkably are not necessarily all that smart. Duncan can kiss my ass

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 01:54 PM (zOTsN)

343 Caltech demographics data counts international students separately from asian and white students. Odd. Lot of my family is mixed-race and part asian. I tell them not to check the asian box on applications. Check hispanic. Fuck the diversity nazis.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:54 PM (ZPrif)

344 Well Arne you a dumbfcuk ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 20, 2013 01:54 PM (nTgAI)

345 Compatible numbers?  Like math Feng Shui?

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2013 01:55 PM (fsLdt)

346 That time is past. We're in the post-_Will and Grace_ era, and white married women predominantly think that gay-bashing is distasteful.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 05:52 PM (gqT4g)

 

Wow the definition of gay bashing sure got strict. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2013 01:55 PM (m2CN7)

347 Most hispanics are just white-asian mixtures to being with anyway, genetically. So it's not even really a lie.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:55 PM (ZPrif)

348 338 How so?They usually go majority Republican.Young men are idiots too,of course.

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2013 01:55 PM (zqvg6)

349 Leftism tends to treat most people as dependents. Therefore, it does make sense that the "paternalistic classes" should rule over the "dependent classes." After all, dependents (whether of the "superior" or "inferior" variety) cannot really be trusted to rule over themselves. And this is the somewhat interesting part: the purely inferior because they are inferior, and the superior but inferior because they would be cruel to the "purely inferior."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:55 PM (M8OWQ)

350 to begin with

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 01:56 PM (ZPrif)

351 Is it time to sharpen the long knives? stock up on pitch forks and torches?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at November 20, 2013 01:56 PM (1hM1d)

352

slick, I have PLENTY of actual experiences with common core I could share, and they all resemble much more the information that Michelle Malkin is getting out there. Or instapundit, or zombie or hundreds of well respected educators, including people who started out working on common core curriculum and realized how bad it was going to be and now are speaking out loudly about it.

 

 

 

 

If you think it is going well at your school, then I am sorry that your school was so terrible before.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 01:56 PM (RZ8pf)

353

Oh sure, dumbing future generations is a good idea if you want future democrat voters who are dependent on the government to take care of them, but what happens when we are so overloading with mouth-breathing simpletons who only know how to take and not produce?

My prediction: PAIN!

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 20, 2013 01:56 PM (Zswg6)

354 Heh. When I saw them play their first game of the season, I knew OU would be just average at best. I've been making no bets this year.

Stoops may be a great coach, but I'm beginning to think he sucks as a recruiter.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 05:53 PM (66ULQ)

 

To be fair,  I had no idea Baylor  was that good.  

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2013 01:57 PM (m2CN7)

355 Indoctrination must be centralized

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 01:58 PM (zOTsN)

356 Heh. When I saw them play their first game of the season, I knew OU would be just average at best. I've been making no bets this year. Stoops may be a great coach, but I'm beginning to think he sucks as a recruiter. --- Stoops is capable of bringing talent in from Texas to make the team good. The problem is that the talent pool in Texas is now being raided by quite a few big programs between OU, Texas, A&M, LSU, Baylor, TCU, etc., thanks to several of these schools going into the stratosphere. If those programs were as successful back in 2003-2004 as they are today, I doubt he gets Adrian Peterson or some of the other prime recruits he got during that time period.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2013 01:59 PM (/Crba)

357 compatible numbers--numbers that look good next to each other.

This is the face I am making right now.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/machupikachu/2835792950/

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 01:59 PM (ZKzrr)

358 Another interesting thing about Leftism is that Leftism defines/creates a bunch of archetypes/stereotypes ("ideal forms") and then channels all people's various hatreds against those ideal forms/stereotypes. As such, people become trapped within the "ideal world" Leftism ends up creating for their "benefit."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 01:59 PM (M8OWQ)

359 317 ah, and now starts the commenters who begin to discuss how impressed they have been by common core. You know what, it won't work on me, because I took the fucking training for "grassroots activism" for common core, thanks to a fat grant by Bill Gates. I have the binder, I know what I am "supposed" to be saying about common core, and guess what it matches quite nicely with what certain commenters on websites who dare post something negative about common core say to generate positive buzz for common core. Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 05:48 PM (RZ8pf) you kinda lost me there with the last sentence, can you clarify?

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 20, 2013 02:00 PM (XvrTA)

360 343 Caltech demographics data counts international students separately from asian and white students. Odd. Lot of my family is mixed-race and part asian. I tell them not to check the asian box on applications. Check hispanic. Fuck the diversity nazis. --- I'm going to tell my step-daughter to check Hispanic on her form. She has South American heritage and is pretty smart, so it would give her a big leg up on some opportunities if this shit is still in place in about 15 years.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2013 02:00 PM (/Crba)

361
We're in the post-_Will and Grace_ era, and white married women predominantly think that gay-bashing is distasteful.
Posted by: torquewrench




And we have a winner for today's most overwrought characterization of a conservative's political position...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2013 02:00 PM (kdS6q)

362 I went through this in the late '70's in Britain. Back then there was a test when you were 11 y/o to determine if you went to Grammar school (for the college-bound) or Secondary school ( for the trade-bound), it actually worked quite well and there was ample opportunity for the late bloomer to transition into grammar school at 13 or at 16. My class was the last under this system when the Labour government decided to dumb down the system so that all school kids went to Comprehensive (there's that word again) school. The education standards in Britain never recovered.

Posted by: flmom at November 20, 2013 02:00 PM (nSjrf)

363 347 Most hispanics are just white-asian mixtures to being with anyway, genetically. So it's not even really a lie. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 05:55 PM (ZPrif) Check this out. http://preview.tinyurl.com/kwuk3wr

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2013 02:01 PM (bb5+k)

364 Caltech demographics data counts international students separately from asian and white students. Odd.

Lot of my family is mixed-race and part asian. I tell them not to check the asian box on applications.

Check hispanic. Fuck the diversity nazis.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 05:54 PM (ZPrif)

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We are all African-(whatever your nationality). At least that is what I learned in my anthropology classes.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 20, 2013 02:01 PM (Zswg6)

365 Common Core: Creating the NEW new Soviet Person: http://tinyurl.com/n4nks5t

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 20, 2013 02:01 PM (XvHmy)

366 Common Core: Creating the NEW new Soviet Person With the correct link this time: http://tinyurl.com/lggracu

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 20, 2013 02:02 PM (XvHmy)

367 352: Thanks for the civil response. At our school at least, they have not reduced rote memorization of addition/subtraction or mutliplication which is what I read in the Malkin piece. They are expecting extra work on these very things. Maybe they are doing common core plus?

Posted by: slick at November 20, 2013 02:02 PM (RIdwM)

368 32 >>> the government has zero say in local schools Do what? o.O

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 20, 2013 02:05 PM (8tflr)

369 Common Core is this the "Vista" of Education planning?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 02:05 PM (0FSuD)

370 And, of course, hating ideal forms/stereotypes/internal archetypes which are fundamentally divorced from reality and history and have been intentionally engineered to attract hatred is somewhat facile, and feeds all people's natural tendency and desire to hate and to feel like they are involved in some sort of conflict of great import. This leads to much internal social strife and so forth, always directed away from the upper classes, which therefore ends up allowing the upper classes to rule, secure in their "superior" position, by pitting the various lower factions against each other, or just watching them go at it. Which is to say, kyrocracy/Hyperleninism, straight up. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2013 02:05 PM (M8OWQ)

371 "Common Core"? How about a right to the chin instead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2013 02:06 PM (nzKvP)

372 Lot of my family is mixed-race and part asian. I tell them not to check the asian box on applications. I knew a white kid who got an 80% scholarship to BYU because he chose NOT to check a box next to race. Explain how! OK, sure I will. He has a Hawaiian last name (I forget. Keloe or something?) and he's from Hawaii. He only had like a 3.4 GPA in HS. Because he didn't check the box they assumed. With that GPA he wouldn't have had ANY scholarship if they thought he was white. He might not even have gained entry.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 02:07 PM (sByIH)

373 Common Core is this the "Vista" of Education planning? Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 06:05 PM (0FSuD) It's the Apple Lisa of education, at bestÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 20, 2013 02:07 PM (XvHmy)

374 To be fair, I had no idea Baylor was that good.

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2013 05:57 PM (m2CN7)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Strange, huh?   And it wasn't but maybe 6-10 years ago there were rumors in the Big XII that Baylor should be kicked out of the conference for being such a weak link.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2013 02:07 PM (66ULQ)

375 In my experience, it is easy to get seduced by the edu-speak of some educators of what they SAY they are doing. The proof is in the pudding. As centralized control of education has increased, has it made people smarter. I'm not so sure

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 02:09 PM (zOTsN)

376 ghost, I lost myself too. Basically, one of the things we were trained to do was how to make positive comments about common core. But the weird thing about our training was how hand wavy all the common core information was, it was all generalizations, nothing specific. Even when we tried to ask questions and get specific answers we just got the same vague answers.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 20, 2013 02:10 PM (RZ8pf)

377 Strange, huh? And it wasn't but maybe 6-10 years ago there were rumors in the Big XII that Baylor should be kicked out of the conference for being such a weak link. Football programs should only take five years to turn around with the right coach. You can turn a baseball team around in two.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 02:10 PM (sByIH)

378 >>> You don't like property taxes? Don't move into a municipality with them. Easy peasy. Move somewhere with: >>No roads We all pay state and federal taxes on fuel. Commercial vehicles pay an additional fuel tax. Then we add tolls for areas with bridges and toll roads. The roads in my neighborhood are built and maintained through HOA fees. Businesses pay franchise taxes. We all pay sales taxes. Get the accounting right on these, then come see me about more money. No police Sold. They do nothing anyhow. Worthless public union scum. Call a cop for a break in/ suspicious person/ rape/ assault... and wait for at least 4 hours... till they get done writing someone a $300 ticket for going 1 MPH over the speed limit and get done with their nap so that they can file the paperwork while getting overtime. I don't need them. Let's see how they get by without me paying for their lifetime benefits and telemarketing centers to beg for more money from me. No fire department Again, most are worthless public union scum. 3 words: Volunteer Fire Department. No water Two words: Water bill. I pay for every stinking (literally) gallon I use, plus... ooo!... more taxes! (Which, incidentally, cost more than my water usage) Keep it. The shit they pump in my house isn't potable, stains the crap out of my toilets, smells like ass in my shower, and ruins my faucets and dispenser on my fridge. In order to cook with it, I pay for an RO system. I'd GLADLY get a well... but guess what? I'd have to get a permit, pay MOAR taxes, and a bunch of other BS fees. No sewers Again: WATER BILL. Do you speak it? Water, sewer, (and in my case) trash are on the same bill. No schools Good. I don't have kids and I am tired of paying for more public sector union scum to indoctrinate my neighbors kids to hate me. I already pay for the worthies shits to eat, go to the doctor, and live under their welfare funded roofs. It's not as if they or their welfare case parents are ever going use the "education" I'm paying for to get a job... even if "education" would qualify anyone for a job anymore. You know what school taxes pay for? 12 vice principles, who each have 1-2 assistants. When I was in school, we had 1 principle, 1 vice principle, and 3 or 4 secretaries in the office who did all the work so those two worthless shits could go play politics all day. I'll keep my "school" taxes, thank you. If I ever have kids, I will send them to private school with that money. Can't afford school for kids... easy peasy. DON'T HAVE KIDS. You know the amazing part about not having kids- IT'S FREE. Doesn't even require $9/ month birth control (which I'm now supposed to pay for also) or Planned Parenthood or Medicaid or CHIP or any of that other shit. But they don't teach you that method in school. Instead, they give you "free" condoms, so that the worthless welfare shits can turn them into water balloons to throw at cars.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 20, 2013 02:20 PM (j0wOO)

379 Also, some rich Republicans need to find some promising Mex-American Republicans and bankroll them and get their face on TV. We have no legit hope of winning back the black vote, but we can compete for the hispanic vote.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 02:25 PM (ZPrif)

380 Is he going to say something about the fact that blacks and Hispanics are not scoring any closer to the white or Asian scores?

Posted by: Federale at November 20, 2013 02:31 PM (I+4FK)

381

Duncan did such a bang-up job at the Chicago Public schools. (not)

 

He's only in D.C. because his bullshit is the same as soetero's, and he played b-ball with him.

 

exemplary credentials.

 

Posted by: the waco kid at November 20, 2013 02:31 PM (zLpa2)

382 Obama, Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer......

How dare you question the intelligence of the American voters.

Posted by: Anchovy at November 20, 2013 02:32 PM (MNxW+)

383 Here in AZ our GOP gov jumped at fed $ and they are doing commie core yeah I call it that Anywho bc of fierce suburban mom pushback gov brewer listened to our concerns and then.... ....changed the name of common core to something else with 'career ready' in it but its just the same fed program

Posted by: ginaswo at November 20, 2013 02:33 PM (/fxIZ)

384 Can't spell communist corruption without Common Core.  sp?

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2013 02:34 PM (DL2i+)

385 105 I agree with the mathematician on the Common Core panel. I mean, if you can't get math right, what the hell is the point of education reform? How can math compete with the things you truly need to know like how to put a condom on a banana and which oppressed minority is being honored each month? Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 05:06 PM (k55Fc) Silly you, the 'knockout game" requires knowledge of biology, math and physics.

Posted by: Madamex at November 20, 2013 02:45 PM (1zsKV)

386 #170 Sorry to be so late for this but Dogma sucked more cock than Arne Duncan. Have you ever heard Kevin Smith talk about movies? Painfully dumb.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 20, 2013 03:09 PM (+fgMf)

387 I highly recommend K12.com for anyone who is seeking to homeschool but is worried they don't have the proper background for it. All educational materials are provided and there are online courses Funded by $ that would otherwise go with my child to public school coffers (AZ allows this, varies by state)

Posted by: ginaswo at November 20, 2013 03:25 PM (/fxIZ)

388 I got here late, but great post, ace.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2013 03:41 PM (sdi6R)

389 At some point the govt. must learn that citizens have a right to be wrong.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 20, 2013 03:42 PM (VvTYC)

390 At some point-- We the people just need to decide we've had enough. Yo Arne-- shit in my Wheaties, or my child's Wheaties one more time, and it will be time to break out that can of "whoopass". Time to grab the elite by their figurative throat and throw them out.

Posted by: rld77 a fellow traveler at November 20, 2013 04:07 PM (4eHxe)

391 America will not be healed by an election.

Posted by: EROWMER at November 20, 2013 04:09 PM (OONaw)

392 That Matthew Yglesias is ripe for the last smoke and blindfold. Dangerous idiot, fully invested in socialist outcomes, ... here, let me light that for you.

Posted by: and irresolute at November 20, 2013 04:16 PM (RqHWH)

393

They have no respect for the American voter. Dead on. Question is Why?

Hey what do you think the average communist party Hack in 1970's Soviet Union thought of the American Voter?

I suspect your average zampolit would fit right in with the current Whitehouse crew's mindset.

Posted by: Marco Ramius at November 20, 2013 04:33 PM (hTeQK)

394 Well dang. I thought I learned in Grade School, long ago, that the USA was a Republic.  Guess things have change far more than I thought to be a Democracy now.

Posted by: Kafiroon at November 20, 2013 04:39 PM (U0DWi)

395 Actually, I think Arne Duncan's mom is upset to find out that her son isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (2/oBD)

396 Not that anyone will read this since it's so far down in the thread...

Homeschooling two kids in California, and we're not doing the usual STAR testing this year because of the phase-in of common core. The problem many of us homeschoolers have, since we got to see some of the testing methods earlier than others, is that the fucking test is ridiculous. It's computer based and expecting my 2nd grader to trace things using a computer mouse rather than actually solve problems using pencil and paper. *shrug* Not that they give a damn about what we're actually teaching.

Posted by: keninnorcal at November 20, 2013 07:46 PM (ng9uL)

397

Notice the knee-jerk reaction of RAAAAcism.

 

Forget about acknowledging actual concerns of parents, the response is dismissive yellow-bellied cowardice. When you either can't or don't want to provide an argument for or against, run straight to the RAAAACE Card because....Liberalism!

 

 Obama is either hiring outright RAAAAAcists to his Cabinet posts, or RAAAAAcism is POLICY!

 

Arne Duncan is an @$$HOLE. I wish just ONCE I could tell it directly to their faces

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at November 20, 2013 08:02 PM (tkLBb)

398 Common core has run well, tried and tested in socialist nations for a hundred years in places, and ya wanna mess with a success like that ?  Karl Marx and Lenin approved, throw in some Mao and Ho Che Minh and ya got it all !  Its here, and look how well its working in places like DETROIT AND OTHER SOCIALIST/DEMORAT BASTIONS !  Massive education costs hikes and education levels quickly coming to equity with 3rd world Countries.  Makes ya wanna say fair, eh ?  How 'bout justice for TrayVon ?  O.J.?

Posted by: ron n. at November 20, 2013 09:19 PM (c7HxG)

399

Morons and 'ettes, I give you this from the pen of Joseph Schumpeter, one of the greatest economists who ever lived:

"The religious quality of Marxism also explains a characteristic attitude of the orthodox Marxist toward opponents. To him, as to any believer in a Faith, the opponent is not merely in error but in sin. Dissent is disapproved of  not only intellectually but also morally. There cannot be any excuse for it once the Message has been received."

These people are our blood enemies, just as the Imperial Japanese, the Nazi Germans and the Wahhabi Muslims are now. There is no reasoning with them: one either fights or one submits. If you're not one of them, they truly do think you are evil and they will have no qualms about using ANYTHING they can to get their way. Bill Ayers 25 million dead was probably a low estimate. That number doesn't frighten them in the least.

We ignore or underestimate these scum at our dire peril.

Posted by: mac at November 21, 2013 12:32 AM (pEsGM)

400 When you ignore the individuals to please the collective.....(fill in the blank)

Posted by: DefendUSA at November 21, 2013 02:49 AM (nAHMK)

401 Division not even brought up until 5th grade???!!!??  Even in my backwards-ass Southern schools in the 1960s, we got into division by 3rd or 4th grade, dipped a toe in the waters of algebra by 8th, and studied Euclidean geometry by 9th or 10th.

Our students are already a year or more behind those in other countries.  This won't push 'em back by two years, it'll push 'em back by four.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 21, 2013 06:32 AM (BDU/a)

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