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November 05, 2013

Election Night Open Thread
— Ace

I don't think CAC is doing election coverage tonight. Neither am I, actually. But here's a thread to watch the returns.

It does seem to me that the polls are likely to be right, unfortunately.

Posted by: Ace at 02:50 PM | Comments (153)
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1 so, can we just wishcast a Cooch victory?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 02:51 PM (QxSug)

2 Countdown to Christie in 2016. 3...2...1...

Posted by: blaster at November 05, 2013 02:52 PM (W6bkf)

Sadly the MSM has already spun this State Election as a further vote on O'care...

When none of the candidates really ran on the issue....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 05, 2013 02:52 PM (lZBBB)

4 Wait - does this mean no plaid maps?

Posted by: blaster at November 05, 2013 02:52 PM (W6bkf)

5 Obamacare is getting pretty much an even split in exit polls. Support 48% Oppose 50%

Posted by: leopard at November 05, 2013 02:52 PM (t8tck)

6 I mean, I loved those ads about Terry where the Post blasted the vicious, Clintonian bag man as unprepared, lush, dilettante. What's all this abortion bullshit?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 02:53 PM (QxSug)

7 Brandon ‏@Brand_Allen Per early #VAgov exits, @KenCuccinelli is winning Conservatives 85-12%. Romney won them 87-11%. Allen won them 87-13 in '12. McDonnell? 91-9

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 02:53 PM (ZPrif)

8 Time to zone out.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 05, 2013 02:54 PM (IXrOn)

9 @randymarcus 1 hr Tip for 2nite. Cfield Co election page is always 1st to report. Usually by 730ish. GOP candidate must +16K to have a chance. If not its over Chesterfield Co results page: http://goo.gl/fkXGfW

Posted by: Jose at November 05, 2013 02:54 PM (zc/sw)

10 yeah

wow did the VA GOP f*** up bigtime. not only did it nominate Cuccinelli -- who has been far too eager to fight the Culture Wars to win in blue-ish virginia -- but they saddled him with a reverend for a running mate who is won't stop yammering about gays and Soddom and Gommorrah.

To the extent that Cuccinelli wanted to soft-play social issues, his running mate made sure that they were always in play.

it will likely be that all three major statewide VA offices will be won by Democrats. The AG candidate might pull it out, but he will likely be dragged down by the baggage at the top.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 02:54 PM (/FnUH)

11 Christie can't even beat Hillary in NJ, according to exits.

Posted by: leopard at November 05, 2013 02:54 PM (+nx7V)

12 Per early #VAgov exits, @KenCuccinelli is winning Conservatives 85-12%. Romney won them 87-11%. Allen won them 87-13 in '12. McDonnell? 91-9 ------------ I don't know what all that means, but I will take it as a sign that the Cooch wins.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 02:54 PM (QxSug)

13 All the preliminary data suggest that Cuccinelli isn't just losing, he's getting stuffed. Dragging Obenshain down with him and the next question is how much damage he's going to do to the VA House members running for re-election. (House of Delegates is in no danger of flipping to Dems, but still some incumbents are in tight races...D+3 seems likely but a bad night could run it all the way up to D+7 or +8.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 02:55 PM (n/+FT)

14 Election for town mayor here. Maybe it'll come out she smoked crack or something.

Posted by: EC at November 05, 2013 02:55 PM (doBIb)

15 1-I wish. We just got back from voting in Fairfax County. Virtually no one there, and when I asked if the election officers needed my ID to verify my voter registration, they said no, it was not necessary. Boy, that instilled confidence. This was also the first time I voted with the electronic machines. No paper, no marking the vote, just the computer touch screen, with all the Dem names first. I asked the election officers how secure these machines were, and they had no idea what I was talking about.

Posted by: moki at November 05, 2013 02:55 PM (EvHC8)

16 I await the analysis of the condescendi

Posted by: thunderb at November 05, 2013 02:56 PM (Q3Qeb)

17 **reverend for a running mate who is won't stop yammering about gays and Soddom and Gommorrah.** This is so inside baseball. I work around there, ya know, and I have no idea what this means.* I know the Terry campaign wouldn't shut up about abortion. * who knows, maybe the WashPost pulled a macacacaaca on Cooch with this stuff, but crickets. Maybe I am a cocooned liberal afterall.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 02:57 PM (QxSug)

18 >>>Christie can't even beat Hillary in NJ, according to exits.

if christie could win NJ, then the election would be a lock. Dems can't win any elections without NJ.

the question is "Can christie win OH, NV, VA, and such purple-trending-blue states?"

NJ is deep deep blue.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 02:57 PM (/FnUH)

19 Cooch always wins.Cuccinelli?Not so much.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 02:57 PM (zqvg6)

20 So there is a Dem in VA named Herring....

Ni!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2013 02:57 PM (JA4pL)

21 Cuccinelli isn't just losing, he's getting stuffed. ********* oy what would've changed in last 2 days to make 2 point gap become a death knell?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 02:58 PM (QxSug)

22 >>>wow did the VA GOP f*** up bigtime. not only did it nominate Cuccinelli -- who has been far too eager to fight the Culture Wars to win in blue-ish virginia -- but they saddled him with a reverend for a running mate who is won't stop yammering about gays and Soddom and Gommorrah.

To the extent that Cuccinelli wanted to soft-play social issues, his running mate made sure that they were always in play.

This is going to happen over and over, Battlestar Galactica-style ("all of this has happened before...") until the VA GOP once and for all foreswears the use of a convention to nominate its statewide candidates. As rockmom can attest, the convention process is controlled by absolutely bonkers types.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 02:58 PM (n/+FT)

23 >>>I await the analysis of the condescendi

i wish you wouldn't say that.

you know, people are either right or wrong, and their predictions are either borne out or falsified.

there's a real resistance in this party now to simply acknowledge facts.

if cuccinelli was too socially conservative for a purple state (won twice by Obama), that is important data that has to be recognized. It can't be wished away.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 02:58 PM (/FnUH)

10 yeah

wow did the VA GOP f*** up bigtime.

An even bigger fuckup than what they did in the Primaries in 2012?

I'm still pissed about that.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2013 02:58 PM (sx9Hd)

25 I loved Cuccinelli's ad about freeing the man who had been falsely imprisoned for rape, after rechecking the evidence/DNA. It was a great, positive message that demonstrated HOW he wanted to do his job. But then McCauliff got all abortion-y, and that has been the tenor of the race ever since. If I don't see another ad featuring a post menopausal woman screeching that she wants the ability to have an abortion, and (fill in the name of the republican) won't let her do that, I will be very, very happy.

Posted by: moki at November 05, 2013 02:58 PM (EvHC8)

26 I await the analysis of the condescendi ******* I know, right? The "establishment"* conflates bad GOTV with the message being bad. * and by establishment, I mean republicans who wish they were democrats.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 02:59 PM (QxSug)

27 I don't think CAC is doing election coverage tonight This is funny and well-stomped.

Posted by: t-bird at November 05, 2013 02:59 PM (FcR7P)

28 McD's corruption problems also seriously hurt the Repub brand in Va for fiscal responsibility. McD didn't break any laws but he walked right up to that line and was too cute about it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 02:59 PM (ZPrif)

29 >>>what would've changed in last 2 days to make 2 point gap become a death knell?

that was just one poll, and it was an outlier. most polls showed TM ahead by a comfortable margin, by like 6-8 points, and he's been ahead consistently for a long time.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 02:59 PM (/FnUH)

30 I am going back to writing.

People are already writing post-mortems while the patient is still being wheeled into the operating theater.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2013 02:59 PM (JA4pL)

31 When none of the candidates really ran on the issue....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 05, 2013 06:52 PM (lZBBB)

Cuccinelli was hammering ObamaCare for the last couple of weeks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 05, 2013 03:00 PM (oJ5Fd)

32 >>>An even bigger fuckup than what they did in the Primaries in 2012?

remind me again? I forget what you're talking about.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:00 PM (/FnUH)

33 The exit polls show Cucc is doing worse with conservatives that past Repubs-- that's probably not from being too much of a social-con. Facts matter.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:00 PM (ZPrif)

34 again, 2 point lead for terry after losing 10 point plus lead. Who's got the momentum? And GayPatriot was pointing out how the Cooch got Romney and other "establishment" types to come out for him earlier. ok, so I guess tolls and taxes are going up.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:01 PM (QxSug)

35 >>>The "establishment"* conflates bad GOTV with the message being bad.

If you think Cuccinelli's loss was a question of "bad GOTV" you are deeply, deeply mistaken.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:01 PM (n/+FT)

36 that was just one poll, and it was an outlier. most polls showed TM ahead by a comfortable margin, by like 6-8 points, and he's been ahead consistently for a long time. ********** well, then that's that.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:01 PM (QxSug)

37 All this establishment Rep handwringing is laughable. An unabashed conservative in NJ ran 7 points better than Romney despite being outspent 10-1

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 05, 2013 03:02 PM (6DkSW)

38 Well as long as we are talking reality there is no way in Hell Christy wins NJ over Hillary even if HD switched parties That's wish casting

Posted by: thunderb at November 05, 2013 03:02 PM (Q3Qeb)

39 >>>The exit polls show Cucc is doing worse with conservatives that past Repubs-- that's probably not from being too much of a social-con.

Facts matter.

...

you assume that all cons are strongly pro-life or who see an important role for the state in daddying us on morality.

It's not true.

what's your suggestion? That he wasn't conservative ENOUGH?

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:02 PM (/FnUH)

40 So,you all are saying we needed a Virginia version of Chris Christie to win?

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:02 PM (zqvg6)

41 deeply deeply mistaken is my middle name. I guess I haven't, ah, taken the temperature of the race here. I saw T.Mac lead, then lose some of it during roll out of 404care. But if the cons can't come out to vote, then whatever, you know the Donkeys have the vans running all day long.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:03 PM (QxSug)

Ace...

Remember how the VA GoP changed the rules for the number of signatures needed to be on the ballot for the primaries there?

They did it...midstream.

They did this to favor Romney...and exclude all the other candidates.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2013 03:03 PM (sx9Hd)

43 >>>The exit polls show Cucc is doing worse with conservatives that past Repubs-- that's probably not from being too much of a social-con.

Actually, it probably is. It doesn't seem to occur to you that people can call themselves "conservative" and still be turned off by someone whose image is TOO conservative for them. Especially self-described conservatives in a state like Virginia, who are liable to less hardcore social-conservative than those in places like SC or AL.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:03 PM (n/+FT)

44 The shutdown hurt the Repubs hard in NoVa since there are so many govt workers. The massive media campaign smearing Cucc as a crazy Akin so-con was effective and ubiquitous. Cucc was severely outspent. By multiples, I believe.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:03 PM (ZPrif)

45 CNN exit poll : McAulliffe 50%, Cuccinelli 43%, Sarvis 7%

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 05, 2013 03:03 PM (qRasw)

46 I would like to go back to wishcasting the VAgov election then.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:04 PM (QxSug)

47 >>>
I saw T.Mac lead, then lose some of it during roll out of 404care. But if the cons can't come out to vote, then whatever, you know the Donkeys have the vans running all day long.

well people think there has been a shift in Cucc's direction. But it might have been too little and too late.

it is possible he winds up squeaking it out.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:04 PM (/FnUH)

48 Well, if the Dems really did increase African American turnout that much from the last off-year election, the GOTV disparity is just another in a long line of problems for the GOP. And, as usual, the polls were right on the money.

Posted by: leopard at November 05, 2013 03:05 PM (oCGZN)

49 oh right, the libertarian guy who's not a libertarian. Wishcasting that the Paul endorsement would've mattered. You'd think that libertarians would be higher information voter than the no-information voters the donks are wheeling out to the polls.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:05 PM (QxSug)

50 >>>So,you all are saying we needed a Virginia version of Chris Christie to win?

You aren't going to want to hear this, but yeah, that's the only kind of Republican who is going to win statewide in Virginia ever again.

McDonnell was actually quite like that - personally conservative, but absolutely backburnered that the biggest possible way and marketed himself as an economics-first bipartisan guy who understood Northern Virginia.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:05 PM (n/+FT)

51 NoVa has also hit a cultural tipping point perhaps, it has transitioned very quickly from Repub to swing to overwhelmingly Dem. This has spread form DC to the inner suburbs and then to the outer suburbs. The outer burbs of NoVa went from solid Repub to solid Dem in less than a decade. The outer burbs were also some of the fastest growing counties in America. Adding hundreds of thousands of people. A lot of what happened was just rapid demographic changes with Dem voters swamping Repub voters.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:06 PM (ZPrif)

52 >>>>
Remember how the VA GoP changed the rules for the number of signatures needed to be on the ballot for the primaries there?
They did it...midstream.

They did this to favor Romney...and exclude all the other candidates.

...

i don't remember them changing it... I remember Perry failing to get on the ballot.

Or maybe I half-remember this. Oh yeah, they did this to make sure people spent money on paying VA political vendor types to do sign-ups for them.

yeah, the fucking VA GOP sucks. It's corrupt. they change rules at a whim.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:06 PM (/FnUH)

53 You know if we had only picked someone, who didn't make waves like George Allen, it would have been a lead pipe cinch, oh wait.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 05, 2013 03:06 PM (Jsiw/)

54 In fact let me put it on the record that if Christy is the nominee, he will not carry NJ. Ever.

Posted by: thunderb at November 05, 2013 03:07 PM (Q3Qeb)

55 that libertarian has the swing votes. You'd think that if 7 percent of voters in race were willing to ID as libertarian, then they'd be on the ball enough to know what's what. I didn't know the Cooch was super bible thumper yucky but unable to get conservative voters. But he seemed like a good AG who took on the global warming nutbags. whereas Tmac is a trainwreck. with his own Clinton like baggage.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:07 PM (QxSug)

56 >>>CNN exit poll : McAulliffe 50%, Cuccinelli 43%, Sarvis 7%

If that margin resembles the actual outcome then it's an apocalypse - the entire ticket goes down and some of the state-level races are gonna be bleak.

Goddammit.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:07 PM (n/+FT)

57 With this thread being open and all, is it OK to wear pants?

Posted by: fluffy at November 05, 2013 03:07 PM (lHVhi)

58 Obamacare is not that unpopular in VA according to exits, so it didn't move many voters, if any. Support 48% Oppose 50%

Posted by: leopard at November 05, 2013 03:08 PM (oCGZN)

59 McD was actually a super so-con. Yet he still won by 20 pts just a few years ago. The Left tried to do the same media smear campaign against McD that they did to Cucc. It failed then. It worked this time. It really had little to do with the candidate. What changed was the demographics and a more effective smear campaign.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:08 PM (ZPrif)

60 48 I live in NJ and the fat boy is better than the alternative.I moved here from NY,I'm familiar with the blue State necessity to pick a squish.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:08 PM (zqvg6)

61 Step1 - Get Libertarian gubernatorial candidate on ballot to stop the spread of big government.

Step 2 - Get big government Democrat elected governor after splitting anti-Democrat vote.

Step 3 - ?????????

Step 4 - Victory!

Posted by: Virginia Libertarian Underpants Gnomes at November 05, 2013 03:09 PM (celt+)

62 how about this, the NoVa voters are dispirited, barely come out to vote. The low-no-information voters forget it's election day. The libertarians are swayed by Rand Paul. The rest of the state is pissed off as all hell and vote hard core like a presidential election year. Then can the cooch win?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:09 PM (QxSug)

63 Well there's a new villain on 'Agents of Shield' tonight.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 05, 2013 03:09 PM (Jsiw/)

Ace...

It resulted in there being only two candidates in the VA primary.

Romney and Ron Paul.

A lot of people voted for Ron Paul out of protest.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2013 03:09 PM (sx9Hd)

65 McAwful is a great fundraiser and extremely well-connected. Money matters in politics and TMac rained down money in buckets on Va.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:10 PM (ZPrif)

66 >>remind me again? I forget what you're talking about They required Republican candidates to submit a certain number of signatures on a specific date to be on the ballot. They had over a year to get it done. Some didn't.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2013 03:10 PM (g1DWB)

Just pray that the national party learns from Christie's win and Cuccinelli's loss. And then embraces Christie. Assuming they want to win someday, that is. Sometimes I wonder if they do.

Posted by: truth fairy at November 05, 2013 03:10 PM (ue2Nm)

68 If those ocare approval ratings are anywhere reality, you might as well call Virginia southern Maryland

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 05, 2013 03:11 PM (6DkSW)

69 They will vote prog lite for state office, but for president? No way. Christy will be as Romney

Posted by: thunderb at November 05, 2013 03:11 PM (Q3Qeb)

70 yeah, Tmac made it rain. Every commercial during SNL was abortion. like huh? nothing else is on the minds of the menopausal nova wimmin voters?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:11 PM (QxSug)

71 >>>>Well there's a new villain on 'Agents of Shield' tonight.

who, the gravity dude?

I'm going to stop watching this show. it's just not any good.

it's not horrible, but it's not good enough to watch.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:11 PM (/FnUH)

72 65 Christy will win just like Presidents McCain and Romney. You should seek treatment. They have medicine for that now.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at November 05, 2013 03:12 PM (Kud5A)

73 Christie won because he embraced Obama. And the most important number in the exits is that Obamacare is NOT terribly unpopular.

Posted by: leopard at November 05, 2013 03:12 PM (7Jipo)

74 I think we have a couple of stealthy trolls in here.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:13 PM (zqvg6)

75 So if Cucc was such a so-con warrior how come the exit poll showed the so-cons supported him less than past Repubs?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:13 PM (ZPrif)

76 person of interest is pretty good. that's on tonight.

i keep thinking about doing a post on it, to explain the Background to new viewers, as the mythology is a little thick. It has the problem many shows do, "Continuity Lockout," where there are running plotlines and such that tell new viewers "stay away."

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:13 PM (/FnUH)

69...who, the gravity dude?

The previews implied that it was some sort of ET.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2013 03:13 PM (sx9Hd)

78 Obamacare is NOT terribly unpopular. *** well, there you go. George Clooney was right. It's the law, it's unchangeable, so suck it, cons.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:13 PM (QxSug)

79 @70 65 Christy will win just like Presidents McCain and Romney. You should seek treatment. They have medicine for that now.

ahem

Posted by: Bob! Dole! at November 05, 2013 03:14 PM (5ikDv)

80 This is going to be f***ing great. Two dems as senators, and a full slate of donks at the state house. My delegate too, by the look of it.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 05, 2013 03:14 PM (l3vZN)

81 **So if Cucc was such a so-con warrior how come the exit poll showed the so-cons supported him less than past Repubs?** same as everything else, I guess. demographics. obamacare is awesome. Tmac wowed them with science. people lie in polls. maybe our side is dispirited and there's no "broken glass" voters. And also, for reals you guys, the GOTV sucks.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:14 PM (QxSug)

82 If the message tonight is we need more Romney's we are doomed. Doomed

Posted by: thunderb at November 05, 2013 03:15 PM (Q3Qeb)

83 >>>The Left tried to do the same media smear campaign against McD that they did to Cucc. It failed then. It worked this time.

At no point do you ever ask yourself WHY it failed to work on McDonnell. It failed to work on McDonnell because he spent his entire career in VA politics (both in the House of Delegates and as Attorney General) strenuously going out of his way to avoid hot-button social conservative issues. All he focused on were business, economic, traffic, and legal matters. His AG campaign was about stopping gang violence and sexual predators, not about banning abortion and smiting sodomites.

Meanwhile Cuccinelli ran the AG's office as a nonstop pander to VA's social conservatives and Tea Party types -- focused on reinstating anti-sodomy laws, limiting no-fault divorce, trans-vaginal ultrasounds, etc. etc. The entire point was for him to lock up the far-right of the base so he would be guaranteed the Gov. nomination (this was important because was going to be 'breaking ranks' and leapfrogging Bolling, who'd been promised the slot by McDonnell as a reward for standing down in 2009). It worked. But it also meant he had a toxic brand statewide -- one he had assiduously cultivated when it served his purposes in intra-party maneuvering.

Stop -- STOP -- pretending that Cuccinelli's social-con reputation was unearned. Yes, he tried to run his gubernatorial campaign as a McDonnell-like business type. But that was always going to be impossible because of how he had positioned himself the previous four years. It's nuts to think Cooch was just going to be able to pretend that all of that didn't exist. In McDonnell's case, OTOH, the Dems and the media had so little on him that they had to literally go dig up a thesis paper he wrote in college to try and make him seem like a crazy social conservative.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:15 PM (n/+FT)

84 hmm tuesday night. Ah yeah, final table WSOP. also Face Off. Tosh. Supernatural. you guys can keep your corporate fare.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:15 PM (QxSug)

85 Jeff B, you keep lying.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:16 PM (ZPrif)

86 82 That's a Moby Troll.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at November 05, 2013 03:16 PM (Kud5A)

87 Hello, all. I'm dying of some some of lung thingy. Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 03:17 PM (lVPtV)

88 you are determined to make the facts fit your theory about the icky so-cons. I have no respect for that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:17 PM (ZPrif)

89 ** If the message tonight is we need more Romney's we are doomed. Doomed ** no, we just need to accept culture wars were won with about 50 million new americans shipped in who don't care about this sky person you guys yammer about. We need to start finding politicians who won in blue states and are social moderates with hardcore experience running shit. Someone like Romn...oh shit.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:17 PM (QxSug)

90 Women chose McCauliffe by a 53-39 margin and they made up 51% of the electorate. This was the final wave of exits, btw.

Posted by: leopard at November 05, 2013 03:17 PM (t8tck)

91 I quit Agents of SHIELD after the first episode.If you can't even make a kick ass first episode it's not a good sign.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:18 PM (zqvg6)

92 joeindc44, writing and watching Face-Off. Episode about elves and Nordic runes.

I wonder if Chukkkles of the gangerous reptiloids has screeched about Vlaams Belang after it. But I care not to find out.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2013 03:18 PM (JA4pL)

93 Women chose McCauliffe by a 53-39 margin and they made up 51% of the electorate. This was the final wave of exits, btw.

Posted by: leopard at November 05, 2013 03:18 PM (raDOk)

94 87 Women chose McCauliffe by a 53-39 margin and they made up 51% of the electorate.

I hope every single one of those bitches is sterile. Stupid needs to hurt.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 03:18 PM (lVPtV)

95 >>>So if Cucc was such a so-con warrior how come the exit poll showed the so-cons supported him less than past Repubs?

dude stop saying "IF" he's such a so-con warrior. he is. He was a prolife warrior (sponsored bill to declare life begins at fertilization), on sodomy (defended state's anti-sodomy law).

He's also a warrior on global warming and against obamacare. He was a pretty strident hard-core conservative warrior on everything.

and by the way, I like him.

But the party picked him to run. They changed the rules of the primary so that people didn't vote in an election, but instead elected state delegates would choose the nominee.

I like Cuccinelli. I'd strongly prefer he win.

But we have to stop with this nonsense that there's never any such thing as too conservative! Virginia is a purple state -- indeed, it might actually be BLUE!

Cuccinelli is a serious, thoughtful guy, and I think a talented guy, and a good politician. I'd like to see him be a Representative.

But there are some people who can be a Rep from a red district, and some people who can win a statewide election. You have to be squishier to do that latter in a purple or blue state, obviously.

This idea we just keep insisting on that Redder Is Better, Always is going to fucking murder us. They'll write it on our tombstones.

Things change, but we're not changing our playbook. We keep doing the same things expecting different results.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:19 PM (/FnUH)

96 >>>So if Cucc was such a so-con warrior how come the exit poll showed the so-cons supported him less than past Repubs?

They don't show that at all. Exits are showing that self-described CONSERVATIVES are backing him in fewer numbers than Romney or McDonnell, and that's because even for some self-described conservatives, Cuccinelli too conservative for them.

Not all conservatives are social conservatives. And not all self-described "social conservatives" are as conservative as you, or Ken Cuccinelli (or at least his public image in this election). It's more than a little surprising that this possibility isn't occuring to you.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:19 PM (n/+FT)

97 you know, I can imagine that in the late 20's the entitled snotty children of the people who got rich before the stock market bubble burst, they sat around yipping it up about FDR and hope and change and pissing about Hoover.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:19 PM (QxSug)

98 His AG campaign was about stopping gang violence and sexual predators, not about banning abortion and smiting sodomites.

Can't resist that kind of persuasion. yay GOP!

So tell me again how Tea Partiers are agitating extremists who need their beliefs codified into law or else,invalid.

Time for a walk.

Posted by: noone, really at November 05, 2013 03:19 PM (5ikDv)

99 I am sorry for all the cons in VA. I am not surprised by the result considering how much Cucc was outspent by and how Sarvis was supported hugely by an Obama suppoter and you guys might enjoy it but "STFU you so- cons. It's all your fault" just bores me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2013 03:19 PM (23Kgq)

100 VA is blue because of the huge influx of dem government workers. Period. VA prolly does need a Christy, but that does not mean Christy will beat Hillary.

Posted by: thunderb at November 05, 2013 03:20 PM (Q3Qeb)

101 And I see the cat of the ever changing hash tags is here.

Yeah back to writing I go.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2013 03:20 PM (JA4pL)

102 Voted in my elections here in Maine to do what I always do - vote against Dems and against any spending props. Always futile but a duty I relish nonetheless (so fuck you, defeatist stay-at-homes). What's this? No party affiliation listed on the ballots. None on the campaign signs. None in the newspaper. Was some kind of law passed? Or is this just the typical retarded Maine attitude of "Ah down't vote fo' the pahty, Ah vote fo' the pehson"?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 05, 2013 03:20 PM (celt+)

103 >>>you are determined to make the facts fit your theory about the icky so-cons. I have no respect for that.

the victimization act. That never gets old at all.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:20 PM (/FnUH)

104 Let see he was outspent 10/1, the party spent all their efforts on Christie, backstabbing weasel that he is, speaking of weasels we have Bolling,

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 05, 2013 03:20 PM (Jsiw/)

105 big fight in EVE http://www.twitch.tv/mad_ani

Posted by: The Dude at November 05, 2013 03:20 PM (vJdyz)

106 Cuccinelli too conservative for them. ******** dafuh? so they flock to TMAC? As if TMAC is a clean slate?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:20 PM (QxSug)

107 >>>That's a Moby Troll.

Who in the heck are you to call me a "moby troll?"

I'm so tired of this "let's delegitimize the guy who tells us unpalatable truths" bullshit.

Listen: I have never seen you around here before a month or so ago. I've been commenting here since 2003. Don't call me a moby troll merely because I'm carefully (and very politely!) explaining how and why social conservative warrior types are statewide poison in Virginia.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:21 PM (n/+FT)

108 There is no doubt the so-con vote is less important in Virginia in 2013 than it was ten years ago. Or 20 years ago. You can argue that changing demographics, and more effective abortion-lobby ads, make even mild so-cons a voter loser in Virginia. Perhaps. That wasn't the case 5 years ago for McD, though. You can't argue that Cucc was some radical so-con warrior compared to McD. Facts matter.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 05, 2013 03:22 PM (ZPrif)

109 JeffB. Is not a troll and was not who I was referring too.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:22 PM (zqvg6)

110 "too early to call" per fox, TM has a "slight lead"

So it did apparently tighten up.

who knows... maybe a miracle

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:23 PM (/FnUH)

111 Virginia was corrupted by all those sweet,sweet Federal jobs.Blue State now.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:24 PM (zqvg6)

112 84 Hello, all. I'm dying of some some of lung thingy. Ugh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

What?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 05, 2013 03:25 PM (qRasw)

113 Jason Carter, grandson of Jimmuh, is threatening to run for goobinator here in GA. He's to the left of his idiot grandpappy.

Yay.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 03:26 PM (lVPtV)

114 108 84 Hello, all. I'm dying of some some of lung thingy. Ugh. Posted by: Jane D'oh What? * yeah, whut"?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:26 PM (QxSug)

115 The networks are just waiting to check their exit poll numbers against counts in certain test precincts before they call the VA GOV race, given the 7% exit margin. This according to Sean Trende.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:26 PM (n/+FT)

116 Person of Interest, does require some investment, but I think it's worth it, besides the Machine, they have this new cabal, HR, that seems to operate as a rogue unit, interesting Reese and Finch, haven't directly confronted it.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 05, 2013 03:26 PM (Jsiw/)

117 >>>You can't argue that Cucc was some radical so-con warrior compared to McD. Facts matter.

Read my #80. Facts do matter -- and you are ignoring the most salient ones.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 05, 2013 03:27 PM (n/+FT)

118 soon some of the yahoos will say that conservatives stayed home

Posted by: Avi at November 05, 2013 03:27 PM (Ie49R)

119 Focusing on anti sodomy laws is always helpful. Women control the outcomes of elections. Women like the government to do things for people. For the most part they think that the government does a good job. Most women that I have met have little or no common sense.

Posted by: genew at November 05, 2013 03:27 PM (Al3QW)

120

So......if - as it is looking right now - McAuliffe wins as governor, is he going to be able to make Virginia take Medicaid money for Obamacare?

Or does the legislature have to vote on that?

And does the legislature stay Republican enough to keep that from happening?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 05, 2013 03:27 PM (PZ6/M)

121 CAC already called it for McAuliffe in the next thread.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 05, 2013 03:27 PM (qRasw)

122 I'm not dying, Horde. Just feel like it. Ugh.

Sitting in a long meeting this morning, and started deep chest cough. Now have a temp of 101.

And yes, I'm sitting here in a fog.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 03:27 PM (lVPtV)

123 well, yeah, then the GOP's dead. We're running out of states that are red. or even purple. We'll need to reformulate based on what happens after next 20 years of Clinton-Obama-Clinton etc much like we didn't get any GOP love until Ike and then Nixon. and by we, I mean, whatever coalition arises around whatever it is people care about.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:28 PM (QxSug)

124 7 percent, whatevers. way to get out and not vote.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 05, 2013 03:30 PM (QxSug)

125 osted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 07:27 PM (lVPtV) If you haven't please got to Dr, Jame. I've had pnemonnia Even with antbiotics it's not a nice thing and you're important to a lot of people.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2013 03:30 PM (23Kgq)

126 You're right about 'Agents' it's not as bad as the Planet of the Apes TV series, or Galactica 1980, but it's not one of Whedon's best offerings.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 05, 2013 03:31 PM (Jsiw/)

127 Everyone move to the next thread where's there's cake and Wild Turkey.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 05, 2013 03:32 PM (qRasw)

128 Drudge has Cuccinelli up by 10.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 05, 2013 03:32 PM (Jsiw/)

129 Agents worst problem is that they haven't had enough superpowers in it and I'm surprised that they haven't added some b superheroes into the cast yet

Posted by: The Dude at November 05, 2013 03:33 PM (vJdyz)

130 I hate McAucliffe. I think he's a crook and a drunk.

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at November 05, 2013 03:33 PM (mpTrn)

131 I've got a question. I went to vote today, my town and county is pretty solidly Republican so the only somewhat competitive race around here is for town supervisor, between a Conservative Party candidate and the incumbent Republican. I intended to vote for the Conservative, then noticed she was also on both the Democrat and Working Families' Party lines. Then I noticed it was the same for almost all the other candidates. I ended up just voting for the Republican, and skipped the Conservatives where they appeared on the WFP line.

So, is this a just a ploy to get ballot access? Seek out nominations from parties which would otherwise not run a candidate? I can excuse that on the Democrat line, but the WFP is straight up communist, I refuse to vote for someone on their line.

Posted by: mugiwara at November 05, 2013 03:34 PM (hpYnL)

132 Just a note Cuccinelli is not more socially conservative than McDonnell, and he won by 20 points.

Posted by: blaster at November 05, 2013 03:37 PM (4+AaH)

133 >>>besides the Machine, they have this new cabal, HR, that seems to operate as a rogue unit, interesting Reese and Finch, haven't directly confronted it. actually HR is an old villain from the 1st season, and Finch and Reece have gone up against them before. HR has been sort of displaced as the main villain by various Government Military/Intelligence Conspiracies which became the main villains in season 2. and now there is this "vigilance" villain in season 3. but obviously HR is still plaguing officer carter. i think they'll probably put HR down this season.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:38 PM (/FnUH)

134 125 MoonKnight!MoonKnight is awesome!

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:41 PM (zqvg6)

135 Well they confronted Elias in the first season, but I'm not sure they had tied him to HR at the time.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at November 05, 2013 03:41 PM (Jsiw/)

136 125 MoonKnight!MoonKnight is awesome!

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 07:41 PM (zqvg6)

fuck that, I want a Moon Knight movie

Posted by: The Dude at November 05, 2013 03:41 PM (vJdyz)

137 Huh? Drudge has Cooch up 54-37

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 05, 2013 03:42 PM (Yhu4q)

138 >>>ell they confronted Elias in the first season, but I'm not sure they had tied him to HR at the time.

i don't think Elias is HR is he? or is he a turncoat? I thought he was an enemy of HR.

actually I started watching at the end of the first season (like last 4 episodes) so I don't know what happend there. I did think HR was the main villain in season 1.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2013 03:46 PM (/FnUH)

139 As long as they don't make Frenchie a homo like they did in the fourth series.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2013 03:47 PM (zqvg6)

140 >> VA is blue because of the huge influx of dem government workers. Period. VA prolly does need a Christy, but that does not mean Christy will beat Hillary. It also doesn't mean he will lose. 2016 is going to be a completely different cycle for 2008 or 2012. In 2008 the country was just about done with W. Lump on top of that the financial crisis that he didn't cause but happened on his watch combined with the chewy goodness of Hope and Change and it was a Dem year. 2012 was an incumbency year and whether people like to admit it or not beating an incumbent is incredibly difficult which is why it doesn't happen that often in the modern era. 2016 is shaping up to be a time when people are sick of Dems and Hope and Change. It will be an open presidential year on much more favorable soil to us. And timing matters as much as anything in politics. And this idea that the establishment, whatever that is, picks our nominee is ridiculous. People get in the race, run their race and the chips fall where the chips fall. Some come better prepared than others and they win. Some don't and they lose. There is no conspiracy.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2013 03:54 PM (g1DWB)

141 In Philly, I voted ro re-elect the (D) district attorney who prosecuted Kermit Gosnell. Nobody else on the ballot, D or R, deserved my vote. Voted against all judicial retentions.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at November 05, 2013 03:58 PM (a5ljo)

142 WTF is up with Drudge?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 03:59 PM (lVPtV)

143 I swear if McAuliffe loses, everyone at Morning Joe may commit mass suicide tomorrow morning.

Talk about Must See Tee Vee.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 04:00 PM (lVPtV)

144

i never realized how far up hillary clinton`s butt greta van susteren was until i saw her beeming about the edge that mcauliffe owned in the young women`s demo because of the war on women/abortion issue.....

good grief,she was literally glowing

Posted by: rocky mattioli at November 05, 2013 04:03 PM (xcDPM)

145 On the optimistic side: if McCauliffe wins, and he probably will, perhaps his closet skeletons will be quickly attached to the fat hip of Cankles. There may be layers of dirt on the Clintons that will be tilled with this clown's win.

On the other hand, hope reigns eternal that the (R) may win VA.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky wants to know definition of at November 05, 2013 04:09 PM (baL2B)

146 Greetings from Cold Drizzle, Oklahoma, heartland of America. Democracy is a harsh mistress. Say, did this get mentioned? From a day or two ago: Soros to Co-Chair Ready for Hillary SuperPAC Breitbart http://bit.ly/1ba5tqw (Also to finance the Third Party vote splitter.) So, Hillary 2016 poster, if you don't have yours yet: mindful webworks http://bit.ly/1igeguS

Posted by: mindful webworker - got democrazy? at November 05, 2013 04:14 PM (U13jb)

147 WTF would vote for Terry McWhatever?

Posted by: W at November 05, 2013 04:19 PM (nwa43)

148 I'm confused. Is this thread superceded by CAC's? There wasn't a "take it elsewhere" warning on that post. This place has become just so darned confusing with all these regulations and systems to learn.

Posted by: mindful webworker - got confused? at November 05, 2013 04:23 PM (U13jb)

149

142

yes....the young vaginal vote and the stealth libertarian sealed the deal....it appears that 80% of women under 35 have been thoroughly indoctrinated..i don`t know how you beat that in purple states..works time and again..

Posted by: rocky mattioli at November 05, 2013 04:24 PM (xcDPM)

150

it appears that 80% of women under 35 have been thoroughly indoctrinated..i don`t know how you beat that in purple states..

I do.

Posted by: Zombie Ike Turner at November 05, 2013 04:34 PM (R5hMa)

151 138 WTF is up with Drudge? Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 05, 2013 07:59 PM (lVPtV) I dunno. He still doesn't have anything about India's Mars launch this morning.

Posted by: rickl at November 05, 2013 04:34 PM (sdi6R)

152

146

lmao....

Posted by: rocky mattioli at November 05, 2013 04:38 PM (xcDPM)

153 A lot of folks noticed how drudge made sure the dems got on the phones to get the vote out. It was three hours before the end of the voting. That was just plain wrong because the networks aren't supposed to report results before the voting is completely over, drudge broke that rule, in favor of the dems and the RINO wing of the republican party.

Posted by: just a citizen at November 05, 2013 05:46 PM (Nx76m)

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