1 That's ok. Andy's post was just troll bait.

2 Second!

3 OT: review is done, great comments all around but because of Obamaconomy, pay/promotion freeze. Yay.

4 PS - I hate the media.

5 Ace !

6 I printed out some blog posts of the Gosnell story and sent it back with this postage paid envelopes that come with the subscription requests from the NYT and other scum MSM groups. "Did you cover this story? No? Fuck you." I'm so gangsta! I guess I cost 'em a few pennies on postage.

7 This is why -though I respect it as a concept and keep one eye towards their efforts to implement it, because of the inconvenience- I laugh at the/their notions of a world post Cloward-Piven.

8 I think it is less "Successfully Interpreting the Facts" and more a case of "Correctly Interpreting the Facts".  Those who claim elite status are afraid that the Non-Journolisters won't come to the "correct" conclusion, so they embargo the story.  For the public's own good, of course.

9

Take it a bit further and link it with the concept of "false consciousness" in Marxism, Ace.

 

For what it is worth, I happen to believe that humans are inherently evil and are kept in line by a combination of social pressure, the threat of retaliation (legal or therwise), and their own conciences, but that means ALL people, including myself. Funny how they think that they are above the common failings of humanity, isn't it?

10 We know everything. So give us your money.

11
Layers of fact checking.
Layers of unseen protection

12 In the business world we justify this withholding of information from perceived inferiors as "not giving people information they won't know what to do with." So, while no one would actually jump out the window if they knew they make $10K less than the guy in the next office, comparative salaries aren't discussed because staff and associates and the like "don't understand how things work" in business, and knowledge like that could only upset them. The possibility that it could cause genuine self-reflection and motivation by challenging previously held but now dispelled beliefs never occurs to the power broker. That said, such rationalizations serve a very valuable internal defense purpose, and enable the power broker to make cut throat decisions they might not otherwise have the stomach for. I once hear it put this way: Rationalizations are more important than sex. Don't believe me? Try going a week without a rationalization.

13 I want these assholes to panic more.
I want them so scared they're stuck in their showers terrified of the truth, fearing the zombie like masses outside the door with torches and pitchforks, coming to take their lattes and IKEA furniture.

14 >>>For what it is worth, I happen to believe that humans are inherently evil and are kept in line by a combination of social pressure, the threat of retaliation (legal or therwise), and their own conciences, but that means ALL people, including myself. Funny how they think that they are above the common failings of humanity, isn't it? I don't know if humans are "inherently EVIL." They're inherently, I guess, not particularly good, but I don't know if they're inherently evil. But yes, the self-imagined elites do imagine that they themselves are above all these failings.

15 Remember when SPOCK said, "The needs of the ELITE outweigh the GREATER GOOD"? because the needs of the elite are always the greater good

16 47% of people truly are not   able   to handle Wrong   Information.

17 Inherently evil?  No.  Willfully blind?  Hell, yes.

18 Ace,

Our modern elites have lost the concept of "Noblesse Oblige."

19

There was a Survivor edition a while back where all of the teams were sorted by race.

 

There was concern among my societal betters that the 'unenlightened' (their words) among us, might draw the wrong conclusions from such an experiment.

20

Know what else the elite fear?

Guillotines.

21

This story needs pushed hard...

Hideous stuff. Horrible.

 

 

 

22 It's not just about fearing how we'll behave during an earthquake; it's about fearing how we'll behave if the Wrong Information comes into our hands. You will never again see the footage of the Twin Towers falling on the broadcast networks.

23 yes, it this bias is manifestly censorship. might as well call it digital book burning.

24 Know what else the elite fear? Guillotines. Posted by: Roy at April 11, 2013 02:20 PM (VndSC) Well if truth be known, I am not so thrilled by them either?

25

They are right about one thing Ace, a well informed citizenry would be a death knell to the political system we have.

 

Too bad we don't have one...

26 WaTimes asked the question last week on why the MFM outside of Philly was not covering the Gosnell story.  It doesn't fir their meme is why.

27 Thank you, Ace.  I think your take on this is exactly right. 

28 Elites tend to believe in a venal, selfish, and essentially monstrous version of human nature, which I sometimes think is their own human nature.


Nutshell.

29 You will never again see the footage of the Twin Towers falling on the broadcast networks. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 11, 2013 02:20 PM (VtjlW) Just like they never show anyone running on the Field anymore at Baseball Games

30

I don't know if humans are "inherently EVIL." They're inherently, I guess, not particularly good, but I don't know if they're inherently evil.

 

I was using the theological definition of evil as "in rebellion against God" - people vary in intensity, and have the added complication of also being made in the image of God - rather than the current colloquial definition of evil, which is closer to "transgresses mores in a manner particularly shocking to those around them."

How about all people are inclined towards evil?

31 Our modern elites have lost the concept of "Noblesse Oblige."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2013 02:18 PM
---------------

They see whatever they do AS their Noblesse Oblige.

32 I'd go a step farther and say they view an occasional atrocity such as this as a small price to pay for the right to abortion. Somehow their logic of "if it saves one life!!!!!" doesn't apply here, because their ideology excuses this. They would never admit this though. See I will admit that occasionally murders will happen with firearms, if a free society allows them (and even the). They on the other hand simply turn their heads, while secretly saying the same thing but not wanting anyone else to even know the bad thing happened. It is deliberate because their ideology can have no negatives, it's consequence free. Only the evil right wing has negatives.

33 Nah, I think they're just the sort that supports The Political Tribe no matter what, and the worse the case, the more cognitive dissonance pressures them to support it. And the harder the far left pushes for "edgy" policies, the more screaming matches you'll see in public. This is a variant of "slippery slope" behavior, or seen in another light the kind of behavior where someone has to seek a stronger and stronger thrill to satisfy their (political) addiction. I mean, we know there are a lot of doofuses who voted for the Obama Coattails of Chicago Communist Doom, but do we really know how many aging and current "student radicals" did it because, you know, the thrill? Ultimately, there's More Than One Reason For Everything.

34 that 99% crap might be worth co-opting for the sheer political value

35 Well, they sure as hell don't have a problem exciting the mob in service of the narrative.  The media Trayvon Martin thing (both the actual facts, and the doctored "facts*") was sort of done in order to cause people to exercise their most base instincts.  I think someone in journalism actually suggested that Zimmerman should sacrifice himself by pleading to a charge in order to spare the community of the riot that the media itself was then drumming up.

*"white" Hispanic, the popular image of Martin taken about five years before his death, the edited 911 audio tape, embargo of exculpatory image of his bloodied face and head and so on  .  .  .

36 It's funny they *need* their hated underclass to grab the ring of power...

in 200 years there's gonna be good poetry written in chinese on this stupid shit

37 You'll never hear of Benghazi.
You'll never hear how Qualitative Easing steals your savings
You'll never hear of liberal voter fraud
You'll never hear of liberal political corruption
You'll never hear of how guns save citizens lives
You'll never hear where all out tax dollars go
You'll never hear of the global persecution of Christians

Please continue, I'm too pissed.

38 For what it is worth, I happen to believe that humans are inherently evil and are kept in line by a combination of social pressure, the threat of retaliation (legal or therwise), and their own conciences, but that means ALL people, including myself. Funny how they think that they are above the common failings of humanity, isn't it?

I don't know if humans are "inherently EVIL." They're inherently, I guess, not particularly good, but I don't know if they're inherently evil.

But yes, the self-imagined elites do imagine that they themselves are above all these failings.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2013 02:15 PM (LCRYB)

 

A good ass whuppin is what these people need. Having the shit kicked out of you gives you perspective. I would assume most of the ass muncher "elites" have never had a good ass kicking.  It's a humbling experience and makes you think before you run your mouth.

 

39 And we simply must stop calling these venal twits "elites".

We should have a contest.

And put on a show in the old barn.

40 The story terrifies them because is demonstrates better than any political discussion that these are babies, human beings, and not parasitic tissue.  It makes them murderers, and the lies they tell sinful

41 For what it is worth, I happen to believe that humans are inherently evil and are kept in line by a combination of social pressure, the threat of retaliation (legal or therwise), and their own conciences, but that means ALL people, including myself. Funny how they think that they are above the common failings of humanity, isn't it? I don't know if humans are "inherently EVIL." They're inherently, I guess, not particularly good, but I don't know if they're inherently evil. But yes, the self-imagined elites do imagine that they themselves are above all these failings.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2013 02:15 PM (LCRYB)

Humans are inherently BASE.

42 Meeleetz

43 Good points Ace, though I don't think it's mutually exclusive.  They do it "for our own good", but I think it as often boiled down to pure political hackery on the part of the media.

44 There have been several examples of this. I think one of them might have been during the Cold War and the debate about - The Early Warning System. Should you have a right to be warned or not? Then-- 9/11. Should you be "allowed" to see certain footage? After that--"Les Elites" absolutely DETESTED- National Security Advisor Tom Ridge's color coded warning system. YOU couldn't handle it. Your better-- Dave Letterman-- would make fun of it. It's a pattern of paternalism that gets you down the road to a few deciding what is the common good.

45

more babies die by abortion than other people die by gun fire....if it saves one life! 

 

Why aren't republicans screaming about this? 

46 Agood ass whuppin is what these people need. Having the shit kicked out of you gives you perspective. I would assume most of the ass muncher "elites" have never had a good ass kicking. It's a humbling experience and makes you think before you run your mouth. Posted by: The Jackhole at April 11, 2013 02:25 PM (nTgAI) Or you can sit down and make a cogent argument to convince them of the logic....ah I'm only kidding, I'll go with a good ass kicking also

47 given that the more radical feminists think men use rape (as they define rape, which means just about any kind of man-in-the-woman sex) to keep women barefoot and pregnant (and therefor totally depended on men), it's no surprise that the libs and their media will almost always treat abortion on demand as sacred.

48 Of course we can't trust you with information, all you white Christian right wing scum are just itching to murder and lynch all the oppressed people

Didn't Law and Order teach you rubes ANYTHING?

49 "The Wrong Kind Of Information" would be a blog I'd want to follow.  Just sayin'

50 Agood ass whuppin is what these people need. Having the shit kicked out of you gives you perspective. I would assume most of the ass muncher "elites" have never had a good ass kicking. It's a humbling experience and makes you think before you run your mouth. Posted by: The Jackhole at April 11, 2013 02:25 PM (nTgAI) Ive been jumped several times and all it's made me determined to do in those situations is hit first.

51 seriously, where are the pro life republicans on this?  Have they been told to shut up

52 As I understand it, when you see all sorts of animals running through the woods, all in the same direction, it's a given that something bad is behind them.

Anyway, you might want to think on that as the self-anointed all seem in a panic.

 

53 People who do evil generally don't imagine they're doing evil. In fact, some of the worst evils are perpetrated by those who've convinced themselves they're doing good. One's conscience tends to restrain one from evil; but if one can trick one's conscience into thinking one's doing good by doing evil, well. Then you've really got something.

Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

54 incidentally related: The DJIA is about to hit 15K and Obama will get the credit for "pulling us from the brink" and saving our pensions. Our counter argument will be: The Fed devalued the dollar and bla bla bla... Nobody understands our reasonable and accurate counter argument and nobody wants to hear it. 15K!! is all that matters. So our counter argument should be "thanks to Obama, the rich got richer and YOU paid for it thanks to Obama economic policies." When they say nuh-uh, 15K!!! You ask them if they are richer today than 4 years ago.

55

There is a certain vanity in thinking like this. In one fell swoop it sets themselves on a pedestal - we the elite can handle it, we know better - and at the same time flows nicely with thier ideology as it always leads to more control over the unwashed.

 

After the fall of the traditional media, I cannot wait for the fall of the ivy league.

56 Agood ass whuppin is what these people need. Having the shit kicked out of you gives you perspective. I would assume most of the ass muncher "elites" have never had a good ass kicking. It's a humbling experience and makes you think before you run your mouth.
Posted by: The Jackhole at April 11, 2013 02:25 PM (nTgAI)

Or you can sit down and make a cogent argument to convince them of the logic....ah I'm only kidding, I'll go with a good ass kicking also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2013 02:27 PM (9Bj8R)

 

RE; Pulp Fiction; SMACK SMACK  " you feel that...that's pride fucking with you"  SMACK SMACK

57 Thank God they don't repeatedly show footage of 9-11, although they felt fine with Cant we all get a long guy.

58 Old John BrownÂ’s body lies moldering in the grave,While weep the sons of bondage whom he ventured all to save;But tho he lost his life while struggling for the slave,His soul is marching on.
John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true and brave,And Kansas knows his valor when he fought her rights to save;Now, tho the grass grows green above his grave,His soul is marching on.
He captured HarperÂ’s Ferry, with his nineteen men so few,And frightened "Old Virginny" till she trembled thru and thru;They hung him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew,But his soul is marching on.
John Brown was John the Baptist of the Christ we are to see,Christ who of the bondmen shall the Liberator be,And soon thruout the Sunny South the slaves shall all be free,For his soul is marching on.
The conflict that he heralded he looks from heaven to view,On the army of the Union with its flag red, white and blue.And heaven shall ring with anthems oÂ’er the deed they mean to do,For his soul is marching on.
Ye soldiers of Freedom, then strike, while strike ye may,The death blow of oppression in a better time and way,For the dawn of old John Brown has brightened into day,And his soul is marching on.

59

Yet, they love to 'inspire' mobs when it suits their narratives.  What was the Occupy Movement about?  By this same logic, the Penn State administrators were correct in keeping years of child abuse from the public. 

I also think it goes deeper than this on the abortion issue.  Abortion is a holy sacrament of the progressive religion.  It is blasphemous to call out Gosnell as the monster he is, because the left most likely believes he was 'well-meaning' and just got a little carried away in some instances.  Instead of what it truly was - Murder for Hire.

60
Sorry, Ace, a low opinion of the hoi polloi, that's one I happen to agree with.  It is like being told, "Don't drive on the railroad tracks".

A population who twice elected Obama is plainly capable of bottomless stupidity.

61 Well, there'll be much less cognitive dissonance if we just report on one set of beliefs.  Ours, for instance. - MFM

62 Far from a well-informed citizenry being necessary for a free democracy, they've decided a well-informed citizenry is a deadly threat to it.

Don't worry, though. They're working their level-best to end that threat.

Posted by: Ace at 02:13 PM

Nice post, Ace.  Seriously. 

63 Agood ass whuppin is what these people need. Having the shit kicked out of you gives you perspective. I would assume most of the ass muncher "elites" have never had a good ass kicking. It's a humbling experience and makes you think before you run your mouth.
Posted by: The Jackhole at April 11, 2013 02:25 PM (nTgAI)

Ive been jumped several times and all it's made me determined to do in those situations is hit first.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 11, 2013 02:28 PM (dWFb6)

 

It taught me to stay away from places I have been jumped.

64 I doubt that the elites hold me in any more contempt than I do them.

65 Prophylactic News, sponsored by Trojan(r).

66 I've said it before, where is FOXNEWS asking Jay Carney if Obama will pardon Gosnell? After all he was only doing what Obama wanted done in Illinois.

67 Ittaught me to stay away from places I have been jumped. Posted by: The Jackhole at April 11, 2013 02:33 PM
----

Not me.

68 Is there no Journolista who  recoils at  the barbarity of the Gosnell trial findings? Besides   Kirsten Powers,  that is?

69

Just always remember, these are the same elite who like to drive 90 mph fapping with their junk out the window...

 

 

70 Not that long ago, CNN did news.  Shortly before that the big three of the time also did news.  Ever hear those stories that the networks "can't afford" their overseas bureaus any longer?  So they resort to questionable stringer relationships and long distance paper-thin reporting.

Which leads me to a not-so-rhetorical question:  NBC, how many foreign bureaus could you afford for the $25 million you pay Matt Lauer?  You know, the Matt Lauer that is truly one of the journalistic giants of our time.

As for the Gosnell situation, I have ceased being outraged over the continuous and brazen selective editing.  The list is endless:  Firearms used in self-defense BY WOMEN, the now longer-than-my-arm list of completely unworkable portions of Obamacare, the inability of the world economy to generate jobs, all those bad housing loans from 2007--still bad, and how we will lose the next war we fight quite spectacularly.

71

When they say nuh-uh, 15K!!!
You ask them if they are richer today than 4 years ago.

 

 

Posted by: soothsayer at April 11, 2013 02:30 PM (hNqVf)

 

 

Then point out that as a percentage, average Americans own LESS of the stock market... and companies and Funds MORE...

 

So while Average income in America decreases... the people getting rich are those in the Government/Business Cabal that the LEFT is creating...

72 "And they justify this to themselves by conceiving themselves as Angels guarding the outer doors of Hell itself, with millions of slavering monsters just beyond the gate." Almost every liberal mantra devolves into this. --We must stop burning fossil fuels to save the world. --We must pay teachers unions more, for the children. --We must take money away from people who have earned it, to save the poor. --We must take guns away from everyone, for the children. etc.

73 For what it is worth, I happen to believe that humans are inherently evil and are kept in line by a combination of social pressure, the threat of retaliation (legal or therwise), and their own conciences, but that means ALL people, including myself. Funny how they think that they are above the common failings of humanity, isn't it? I don't know if humans are "inherently EVIL." They're inherently, I guess, not particularly good, but I don't know if they're inherently evil. But yes, the self-imagined elites do imagine that they themselves are above all these failings.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2013 02:15 PM (LCRYB)

_________________________


I think the more apt analogy is that people are like water - their natural condition is to seek the path of least resistance.  They seek material comfort, social acceptance, and security.  You need to incentivize good behavior by making those goods conditioned upon good, moral, and productive behavior, and withdrawing those goods for bad behavior.  We used to have a network of institutions, cultural conventions and mores that did a good job of this.  Much less so today.  With the hollowing out of institutions, we'll be getting more bad behavior from a wider base of people, and a call for more government supervision and intervention to mitigate the effects of both not good and bad behaviors.

74 ...racial supremacy @ Howard U rears an ignorant head as Brian Manifee, Howard student, unfurled his bigoted banner as Rand Paul reminded students that the GOP is the traditional party of Black Americans for liberty and full rights of US citizenship, while the Democrats were the party behind slavery, Jim Crow and the KKK. 'I wasn't saying that Paul is a white supremacist,' Manifee told the UK MailOnline. 'But he's the product of white privilege, so take that for whatever you think it means. It takes some real you-know-what for a white Republican to come here and speak.' /"Nuts!"

75 I think Ace's point is true generally, but in this Gosnell case I think a bigger factor is the grossness of it all. The stories are so disgustingly horrible, so stomach churning, that we are beyond "morbid curiosity" and into "thinking about this will make me physically ill" territory. Unless you can push the bile down, out of a drive to serve the greater purpose of educating the public about the horrors of abortion -- who wants to write about this?

76 You will never again see the footage of the Twin Towers falling on the broadcast networks.

Posted by: alexthechick

 

Remember the reaction to that published picture of 'The Falling Man'?

 

Down the memory hole, quick!  Don't want the rubes angry.....errr...I mean, it's upsetting.  Just too upsetting.  We in the media are better than that type of cheap sensationalism!

77 I think a few humans are inherently evil.
I don't think one is born evil.

By deliberately misleading the public, you see, they're protecting the world.

From us.

They are not protecting the World from Us, they are Protecting their  positions from  Everyone . by lying about their intentions of every "Good" deed. Bah

when one hears Ginsburg basically repeat Sanger  

"Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we donÂ’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.

 

78 Do the minions within the MSM consider just how awesome it is for them to frame stories to fit their agenda and completely shut down or mis-report stories that don't?   Are they aware of their deviousness and thereby smug in their belief they are above us peons, OR do they really live in a bubble where they are not aware and are blinded by their bias?   I do not have the answer to my post.   Must make a drink!

79 Yo Barry........... I says Shit there Blood. I be need'n Visa to goes down to Cuber and gets some virgin wrapped cigars, man. So, Bro howa bout helping me out as a favor for future stuff with getting my bro's out to vote for yo in the nex election. Tell your main Squeeze, Bahama Mama Mooch that she's got back..........Yo !!

80

They have taken the exact opposite side of the proposition this nation was founded upon. Far from a well-informed citizenry being necessary for a free democracy, they've decided a well-informed citizenry is a deadly threat to it.

Don't worry, though. They're working their level-best to end that threat.

Posted by: Ace at 02:13 PM

----------------

Mark Styen made a similar point, but with an opposite conclusion...


---------------
What Dead Kids?
By Mark Steyn
April 9, 2013 11:30 A.M.

There used to be a formulation of cynical news editors to determine American news priorities for mass murder. It ran something like: 1,000 dead Bangladeshis = 100 dead Italians = 10 dead Americans.

So how many dead American babies does it take to make the news? I wrote two-and-a-half weeks ago about the U.S. mediaÂ’s determination to ignore a story thatÂ’s inconvenient to their biases. But, given the gun-bannersÂ’ ceaseless grief-feasting on Sandy Hook, at some point doesnÂ’t the corpse count in Philadelphia merit maybe, oh, a thousandth of the attention?

    He also claimed he saw about 100 babies born alive and then ‘snippedÂ’ with surgical scissors in the back of the neck, to ensure their ‘demiseÂ’.

ThatÂ’s from a story about GosnellÂ’s Pennsylvania abattoir in the Daily Mail, a British newspaper doing the job American media wonÂ’t do. Headline:

    Â’Fetuses And Blood All Over The PlaceÂ’: MedicÂ’s Graphic Account Of ‘Beheading Live BabiesÂ’ At Abortion ‘House Of HorrorsÂ’ In Philadelphia

More dead baby testimony:

    There an 18-to-24-inch baby, who did not yet have eyes, was lying in a clear glass pan, she recalled in horror. It was “screeching, making this noise” that “sounded like a little alien,” she said. It “really freaked me out,” she said, causing her to leave the room.

Sorry it “freaked you out,” but as the Pundette comments:

    “Making this noise” “like an alien”? ThatÂ’s called crying. ItÂ’s what human babies do when theyÂ’re in distress, in this case, the ultimate distress. The “aliens” here are the inhuman monsters who caused that distress.

    So . . . if a baby screams during an outside-the-uterus “abortion,” does it make a sound? Or, to put it another way, if an abortionist goes on trial for murdering infants, but the media refuses to cover it, is it really happening?

The U.S. mediaÂ’s unanimous agreement to see no evil is sick and totalitarian. A very small consolation is that, with news judgments like these, the wretched American press is doing a pretty good job of sawing through its own neck.
---------------

That line about "sawing through its own neck" links to that chart showing the free-fall in newspaper advertising.

81

Elites tend to believe in a venal, selfish, and essentially monstrous version of human nature, which I sometimes think is their own human nature.

Exactly. They are projecting their own nature onto others.

82 It's not just about fearing how we'll behave during an earthquake; it's about fearing how we'll behave if the Wrong Information comes into our hands.

__________________________

Isn't this essentially a description of the media handling of Mr. Obama since his rise to prominence?  There are things about Obama that only the right sort are allowed to know and discuss, because they enhance his position among those people, while the same information is jealously guarded from the hoi polloi in order that they not come to the ideologically incorrect but perfectly reasonable conclusion about the man and his policies?

83 Mass Judge Rules Drunk Driving Illegal Immigrant Who Killed Man Incompetent To Stand Trial Because Of His “Unique Cultural Background”… We’ll be seeing a lot more nutty rulings from judges here thanks to liberal Dem Governor Deval Patrick’s far-left loon appointments (here in Mass judges are appointed for life). Weasel Zippers: UnFuckinBelievable

84 They aren't elite. They are overpaid half wits who have taken over mass media and education. Their entire outlook is completely wrong but they think because they make so much money (which they pretend to hate) makes them correct on every issue.

85 I think Ace's point is true generally, but in this Gosnell case I think a bigger factor is the grossness of it all.

The stories are so disgustingly horrible, so stomach churning, that we are beyond "morbid curiosity" and into "thinking about this will make me physically ill" territory. Unless you can push the bile down, out of a drive to serve the greater purpose of educating the public about the horrors of abortion -- who wants to write about this?

Posted by: wooga at April 11, 2013 02:38 PM (ft5wB)

But what of the lack of coverage in print?  Print has never sparred gorey details in the past.

86 Yeah, I think ace is on to something, but the Gosnell story is a whole different thing.

One can ONLY support late term abortion by remaining ignorant of what, exactly, a late term abortion is.

87   I once hear it put this way: Rationalizations are more important than sex. Don't believe me? Try going a week without a rationalization. 

Posted by: Blacksheep at April 11, 2013 01:58 PM (8/DeP)


The most amusing rationalization to me is, "there is no absolute right or wrong". 

Disproven by the very existence of rationalizations.    What are we rationalizing to, if not the standard we know we are falling short of?  

88 But yes, the self-imagined elites do imagine that they themselves are above all these failings. Posted by: ace Yep. Easy to see it that way when so well insulated. Failings are beneath meritocracy's dignity to admit, though plain as day to everyone else, right under the elitist's nose. Shit stinks, regardless. Matt 23:4 and Luke 11:46,52 Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them. "Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."

89 Anyway, I'm not sure they're going to like this new world they're trying to build anywhere close to what they imagined . . . .

They might find it far more nasty, brutish and short than dreamed . . . .

90 76 I think Ace's point is true generally, but in this Gosnell case I think a bigger factor is the grossness of it all. The stories are so disgustingly horrible, so stomach churning, that we are beyond "morbid curiosity" and into "thinking about this will make me physically ill" territory. Unless you can push the bile down, out of a drive to serve the greater purpose of educating the public about the horrors of abortion -- who wants to write about this? Posted by: wooga at April 11, 2013 02:38 PM (ft5wB) ********** Or maybe on some level the Liberal Media understands that they are complicit. Accomplices.

91 Remember how that picture of the baby in the womb grasped a doctors finger? Remember how the tide shifted to the pro-life movement afterwards?
This Gosnell story, and the new one coming out of Delware today would put paid to unregulated abortion in the US once and for all. And the libs can't have that. They've invest too much in it. If you have to be responsible for your actions, their whole reason for existence is negated.

92 ...racial supremacy @ Howard U rears an ignorant head as Brian Manifee, Howard student, unfurled his bigoted banner as Rand Paul reminded students that the GOP is the traditional party of Black Americans for liberty and full rights of US citizenship, while the Democrats were the party behind slavery, Jim Crow and the KKK.

'I wasn't saying that Paul is a white supremacist,' Manifee told the UK MailOnline. 'But he's the product of white privilege, so take that for whatever you think it means. It takes some real you-know-what for a white Republican to come here and speak.'

/"Nuts!"

Posted by: panzernashorn

***

 

And he is so certain of his moral superiority and self righteousness, it doesn't even begin to occur to him that HE is the bigot and not Rand.

93 Its that projection thingy. They look into the mirror and realize how horribly they would behave in a disaster or any other stressful event. The true leftist is a weak willed person who is a cowardly monster at heart. Remember to aim small miss small.

94 I think Ace's point is true generally, but in this Gosnell case I think a bigger factor is the grossness of it all.

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I don't think this is so - I've read about the size and destructiveness of the wounds on Lanza's victims.  The thread there is that we need to know about this to understand why we need gun control.

95 I can't even believe we are at the point where Murder  MIGHT have been committed  at 24 weeks because the baby was outside the womb, although  That same Baby being killed inside the womb a couple of minutes by being torn assunder to be pulled from that same womb  before was ' an abortion "


When a baby born to a woman that Wanted the baby would actually be a baby long before   22 weeks 24 weeks etc  weeks . No one said , oh hey don't worry your head about that blob of parasitical tissue.

96

They have taken the exact opposite side of the proposition this nation was founded upon. Far from a well-informed citizenry being necessary for a free democracy, they've decided a well-informed citizenry is a deadly threat to it.

A great post, to a point - but your conclusion here is quite wrong.  They know full well, and understand thoroughly, how important a well-informed citizenry is to a free democracy.

The point is, they hate democracy.

They purposefully withhold information with the full intent and ultimate goal of destroying it.

I don't believe I'm being paranoid or hyperbolic about this.  I recall you using Buckley's conclusion about Buchanan's anti-semitism to illustrate something or otehr about the media a few days back - this is another example.  Taken individually, maybe we could draw more charitable conclusions about the intent of the media.  But taken in aggregate, what other conclusion can a reasonable person draw?

97 -- who wants to write about this?

Posted by: wooga at April 11, 2013 02:38 PM (ft5wB)

 

Leftist animal welfare groups like PETA, Mercy for Animals, and HSUS routinely depict animal abuse that the media hypes as 'beyond the pale'. And yet they treat human babies worse than animals.  This is an evil that is beyond the pale and they know it.  Liberals also know that this is their scandal.  This is what comes from the modern liberal party.

98 David Gregory throws a fit over parking at D.C. Design House Posted by The Reliable Source on April 10, 2013 at 5:00 am Note to David Gregory: If cars are parked in front of your house for a month, send someone else to complain about it. The “Meet the Press” host made a scene Tuesday when he lit into organizers of the D.C. Design House, located this year on Foxhall Road. The broadcaster was distressed that visitors to the show house had parked on a nearby street, some directly in front of his home, preventing easy access by his crew. “There are a lot of people clogging up our streets,” Gregory told us late Tuesday. “You could hear all this with the doors closed,” said designer David Mitchell. “This was a very public and immature display. It’s a public street. You don’t get to live in a neighborhood and say who gets to park.” But Gregory flatly denied warning the show-house folks that he “knows all the politicians in town,” as witnesses claim. What a liberal fuck. As anyone familiar with Washington DC knows, this house fashion thing is a regular event and a big deal down there. The cock sucker should just get over it

99

too gorey to print?  Really?  What about all those car accidents, the parading of the Newtown families, vivid decriptions of the horrors the US military and Israel visit on poor helpless ME peoples?  Really?

 

Rush is right.  Abortion is the left's sacriment.  This shows it to be infanticide

100

Why doesn't the damned formatting work for me?

 

101

I disagree, Ace.  I don't think the Elites (tm) actually believe they are not doing evil.  I think that they know objectively in their hearts that they are doing evil, but they don't give a fuck.  It's a hell of a lot more "fun" and a lot less work to fuck with no responsibility, cheat, lie, steal, cover-up, go to cocktail parties, etc. etc. etc. than it is to do the right thing, day in and day out for a lifetime, like folks try to do who allow themselves to be guided by a true moral code.

 

And because they know they are doing evil, they hide their crimes as best they can, not only from us benighted rightwing knuckledraggers, but from themselves.

 

People suck.

102 his “Unique Cultural Background”… Is this a metaphor for "another one of Obama's uncles"?

103
As some writer noted the other day, this is perfectly made for the mfm, what with all the blood and gore and death and dismemberment.

Yet crickets.

104

There have always been those who wish to control others... and that will never stop... its part of humanity.

 

Aristocracy?  Religious Elite?  Mandarins?  Comrades in Communism?

 

But America has been an experiment in tryng to NOT allow any group power... for that power to be given over, at the peoples behest, in an orderly and non violent manner.

 

But eventualy, as with all systems... there are areas prone to attack... and the MEDIA / Government / Bank triumverate is now what is in control.... as they understand that people can only make decisions on what they know.... so by controlling the knowledge of ENOUGH (the Low Info Voter)... they can maintain power.

105

Its that projection thingy. They look into the mirror and realize how horribly they would behave in a disaster or any other stressful event. The true leftist is a weak willed person who is a cowardly monster at heart.

 

They'd  beat Costanza to the door in a nursing home fire.

106 For what it is worth, I happen to believe that humans are inherently evil and are kept in line by a combination of social pressure, the threat of retaliation (legal or therwise), and their own conciences, but that means ALL people, including myself. Funny how they think that they are above the common failings of humanity, isn't it?

I came across a quote from a Moron two years ago on a thread that I thought summed up me quite well:
"You really don't want people like me running around unconstrained by the binding strictures of Christianity; and the attendant fear of the judge who can't be fooled. Furthermore, I worry that we are many."

If anyone knows the Moron who wrote this beauty, I'd like to buy him a virtual drink.

107 So the MSM is afraid people will realize the left is evil and the Democrats utterly vile if they report the truth.

108

I checked the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel just now.   They published two AP articles on the trial on March 18th and 19th, but nothing since.   Not sure whether they were in the dead tree paper or only online.   Clearly a conscious decision.  

 

If there were real reporters at the Journal Sentinel, they'd go find the local Planned Parenthood (I'd be happy to give them the address... it's on Wisconsin Avenue just west of Marquette University around 22nd or 23rd Street), and ask to interview the boss.   Then they'd ask them what policies and procedures they have in place to make sure that what happened in Gosnell's abortion mill doesn't happen in there's.   They'd ask how many late term abortions they provide.   They'd ask how they dispose of fetal remains.   They'd ask whether they would permit an independent laboratory examine the fetal remains for gestational age.   If not, they'd ask what they have to hide.   See, that's how a real reporter would get a real story about a real issue.

 

By the way, the first article contained the most remarkable sentence I think I've ever read in a newspaper.   After describing the murders of live babies by Gosnell and his helpers, the reporter interjects this helpful clarfication:

 

"Abortions are typically performed in utero."

 

OK, then.   Nothing to see here.   Move along.  

 

In other words.... Forget about it, Jake.   It's Chinatown.

109

I imagine the media believes it's "doing good" by being so cautious about What Truths the Public Is Capable of Hearing. After all, if this Gosnell trial were publicized, people would Get Angry, and come to All the Wrong Conclusions, and put the allies of those in the media (such as NARAL and Planned Parenthood) on the defensive.

Hell, these maniacs might even get in into their skulls to hurt people!

 

This is also accomplished in the inverse.

 

Just as the media and other self-assumed "elites" deliberately embargo certain information to keep "the masses" from being afflicted with Right Wing Paranoia Syndrome,   those same individuals   and groups   FEED certain information to the masses    to anesthetize pushback.

 

How many stories have you all read so far this year, out of places like Philly and Chicago, talking about how the "warm weather" may stir up the city's yoots into an unmanageable, violent mob?  I know I've read two or three already, most of which are    related to stories   about mob actions   that have already    taken place!    "Oh, it was a warm day, so that brought all the kids downtown and they rioted."   As if 50 degree weather is a heat wave,   and it's only natural that hotblooded young people would be driven to criminal mayhem as a result of the added warmth.

 

They're scapegoating.   They're warning the public ahead of time that, "Hot weather is going to bring out the mobs!"  so that when there ARE mob attacks,   or     unmotivated    "Knockdown King" style attacks,   in the streets of the city,   they'll have a designated fallguy.   "Well, the weather was warm today, so we were    expecting to see some out of hand behavior.   Luckily we were able to stop it before it got worse."     ALWAYS they'll include that last part,   because it implies that things COULD get worse, and by golly aren't we lucky that there are people in power who are    quick to respond   when the thermostat inches toward sixty degrees and all the chilluns go craaaaaaazy?  

 

No reference is made to race, gender, age,    economic status,    school level, family unit, or any   other motivations these   rampaging yoots   may have had    that would lead to their bad behavior.   Those things are all    incidental and    have    no bearing on their mob action,   which we've already been warned is due to "peer pressure and warm weather."   They're good kids who just did something bad because they were acting impulsively.      "That's just what kids do!   *slide whistle of humor!*    Now back to    the studio!"

 

The "Elites" will deny you the knowledge you should have and feed you the knowledge they THINK you should have until you forget that there's a difference.  

 

"All the news that's fit to print" has never been a more ominous threat.

110 I've noticed more and more Hollywood "entertainment" seems to have an underlying theme that all our fellow citizens are selfish murderous psychopaths with a just thin veneer of civility imposed by the government. None of that Frank Capra B.S.

111 I can't even believe we are at the point where Murder MIGHT have been committed at 24 weeks because the baby was outside the womb, although That same Baby being killed inside the womb a couple of minutes by being torn assunder to be pulled from that same womb before was ' an abortion "

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I think you're unwittingly accepting their tautological frame of the issue.  They want to say because the act fits the definition of murder, it is not an abortion. The truth of the matter is that these acts were both at the same time.  The same people who are ignoring this and embargoing stories would be the same people advocating that what Gosnell did be perfectly legal, or at the very least constrained to a veil of impenetrable "privacy" between a woman and her doctor.

112 I have a theory that is what zombie movies are all about - fear of the horde. 

113 if truth be told their whole shtick of

'it's for the children'  would be blown.

Gosnell is Their tool for Their cause.

They had been given information about Gosnell  and his shop of horrors prior to this becoming known to Some of the public.

They didn't stop him, 

They themselves President and wife have been advocates for just this thing. (Partial Birth Abortion) where the survivor is not to be saved)?

How can this be 'for children"

114 reporting this case reveals the ugly truth of abortion

115 but why pub silence on this?  Fear of losing the womyn's vote?

116 I don't think this is so - I've read about the size and destructiveness of the wounds on Lanza's victims. The thread there is that we need to know about this to understand why we need gun control.

 

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 11, 2013 02:46 PM (iR2Oi)

 

I must have  missed the release of the official reports on wounds, rounds, and weapons used.  Also  on what happened at his home.

117 Infanticide is a key platform of the NWO.

Who the hell are YOU to oppose us?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.Guide reproduction wisely Â— improving fitness and diversity.Unite humanity with a living new language.Rule passion Â— faith Â— tradition Â— and all things with tempered reason.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.Balance personal rights with social duties.Prize truth Â— beauty Â— love Â— seeking harmony with the infinite.Be not a cancer on the earth Â— Leave room for nature Â— Leave room for nature.Last time I checked, reasonable, common-sense infanticide fits #1, 2,3, 7, 8 and 10 of our commandments.

118 No person is completely all good or else all evil. 85. Yes. Elite v. Elitist. The elitist is not necessarily anyone to brag about, but generally is a braggart. The elitist definitely assumes himself part of an autocracy with total intent set on preying on others without remorse for committing injustices. One needn't necessarily be globally powerful to consider oneself either an elitist, or part of an autocracy. Consider street thugs and gangs that parallel the global corporatist organized crime syndicates set on ruling the globe, the universe, whatever. Hillary/Obama defined what "I accept full responsibility" means so far as THEY are concerned; "What difference does it make?!!! Drop dead." There are so very many human scapegoats available for torture and execution. Besides, I'm on "free" vacation./

119 113 I have a theory that is what zombie movies are all about - fear of the horde. 

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2013 02:53 PM (+afNf)


It's a hatred of the "unwashed masses".   They have the form of a human, but  they're mindless non-humans who can be killed with impunity.   Remind you of any leftist fantasies?  

Some of the early zombie movies were explicitly about consumerism and making the subtle commentary, "gee, these zombies are indistinguishable from the average consumerist American".

120 I've noticed more and more Hollywood "entertainment" seems to have an underlying theme that all our fellow citizens are selfish murderous psychopaths with a just thin veneer of civility imposed by the government. None of that Frank Capra B.S.


And that you need an iron fistted government to keep everyone in line and the elites safe. Oh yeah its propaganda. just like every other episode of House Hunters or Income Property has a homosexual couple. Propaganda.

121 "There is in the world such a thing as evil. [All together now:] Sez who?"

122 Zombies = Democrats looting your paycheck to pay their constituents

123 We can't have public opinion swaying in favor of those clumps of cells that aren't even human.  No, it's better to just not cover it. 

124 Organized crime sucks worst when it's your own government.

125 “Unique Cultural Background”

What an oxymoron!   If a background is cultural, then it's not unique, it's common to a group.

So what is in this guy's background that dis-enables him to fact-finding and assigning responsibility?  Is he so ingrained with collective dogma that in his culture there is no responsibility assigned to one person, ever?  Or are facts so pliable in his culture that there cannot be any finding?

126 Everyone views their life as an ongoing story (It's why we like to tell and listen/watch to stories/movies).  Nearly every sane person imagines themselves as the hero in their own story.  Even people who complain about everything in their life imagine their supposed suffering as being heroic.  All the vile, evil crap that "elites" do they justify by thinking of themselves as heroes, and heroes sometimes have to do things that aren't nice to save the day in the end.

127 Well, they sure as hell don't have a problem exciting the mob in service of the narrative. The media Trayvon Martin thing (both the actual facts, and the doctored "facts*") was sort of done in order to cause people to exercise their most base instincts. I think someone in journalism actually suggested that Zimmerman should sacrifice himself by pleading to a charge in order to spare the community of the riot that the media itself was then drumming up.

*"white" Hispanic, the popular image of Martin taken about five years before his death, the edited 911 audio tape, embargo of exculpatory image of his bloodied face and head and so on . . .

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 11, 2013 02:24 PM (iR2Oi)

 

 

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This is an excellent point.  The whole purpose of the  MFM now is  to incite the mobs to the destruction of this country  and all of  it's unique traditions  and  to   create the chaos that  wannabe dictators need in order to gain complete power.  The reportage is one-sided for a reason.

 

The  natural goodness of  most people have to be repressed and replaced with cold indifference  and for others, violent  behaviour.  I think it's one  of the reasons that the murders in Chicago aren't being reported.  They'll need that personality type in the future. 

 

128 120. Some of the early zombie movies were explicitly about consumerism and making the subtle commentary, "gee, these zombies are indistinguishable from the average consumerist American". Posted by: ConservativeMonster Yeah. But the socialists are cannibals that consume lives and nations "Because I could." Pit of irony that such see themselves as the "elite". Not even the fittest. Fat Check: GORE

129 "Sez who?" Victims.

130 This occurred in the aftermath of 9/11. The media was more concerned with the "backlash" against Muslims (which never happened but it did in their minds anyways) than they were for the victims.

131 You guys and your 'concern' about Kermit Gosnell... It's not like he threw a basketball at somebody!

132

I would bet my life that since the Gosnell clinic was exposed ansd shut down, Planned Parenthood and its allies have spent considerable time and money enforcing a news blackout about it, in a methodical and organized fashion.  This is not just a matter of a few elite news editors not wanting people to have information that they might not process correctly.

 

It is about maintaining the lie that late-term abortions are both rare and safe.  There is a lot of money being made on these abortions, and it is paramount that the general public keep believing there are very few of them happening. 

 

It is equally important to maintain the fiction that a fetus is a blob of cells that does not bleed, cry out, move, or act in any way human when it is sucked out of the womb. 

133 A comment on Noblesse Oblige:
 
"Noblesse oblige" is generally used to imply that with wealth, power, and prestige come responsibilities. The phrase is sometimes used derisively, in the sense of condescending or hypocritical social responsibility.[1] In American English especially, the term is sometimes applied more broadly to suggest a general obligation for the more fortunate to help the less fortunate. (wiki)
 
For a good description in music, read the lyrics to Lucky Man by ELP.
 
We have this "nobility" class in the US, as exemplified by the Bush, Kennedy, Clinton, etc. clans. There's very fucking little noble about these clans; and if they be Dems, none whatsoever beyond a little military service by one out of fifty. Mostly what I see is a long uninterrupted string of grifters, losers, dopers and cads. I wouldn't trust most of these asswipes to check my tire pressure.
 
Yet I see fawning MFM media coverage of that dead murdering Kennedy as 'The Lion of the Senate'. It is to gag. The taxpayers get to erect a shrine in his 'honor'.
 
It's why I get pissed when people fawn over British royalty as well. Their main accomplishment is to get born. Whooptefuckingdo.

134 I don't know if humans are "inherently EVIL." They're inherently, I guess, not particularly good, but I don't know if they're inherently evil.

Depends what you mean by "evil," of course.

My definition--so "evil" can signify a worse quality than, say, "shitty" can--would be something like "valuing injury to others over benefit to oneself." In which case...yeah. That's what distinguishes us from the animals.

Or so my lying eyes and the entire history of experimental psychological research would have me believe. ...And also the entire history of history.

And everything we've come up with so far in the realm of "social pressure, the threat of retaliation (legal or otherwise)," etc., is an example of human evil, not a hindrance to it.

So. Yeah.

On the sunny side, I'm not sure that "inherently" means much in this case. Not because humanity is an especially free or willful or moral (post-)animal, but because our distinction from the other, not-evil animals is new and tenuous. Maybe we still have the option to not be evil. But that must not generate a very good "fit," in the "survival of the..." sense, or we wouldn't be so much like we are--and are probably still getting more.

We might seem to have changed recently, just enough to have changed, but what looks from here like our species's high point isn't really far enough behind us to call it "behind," is it?

But we do have to remember where we peaked. It wasn't on the moon. It was in Auschwitz.

135 Also, to add to my previous posts, one of the common tropes on the Left is that pro-life forces love to "wave the bloody fetus" to make emotional appeals to people about abortion.  This drives them crazy.  Media people more than likely feel that by running stories about the Gosnell clinic atrocities they would be helping these horrible Reichwingers in waving the bloody fetus.  So they won't do it.

136

Since when does the media leave out horrible details about police brutality.

 

Remember, the nightstick "incident".

 

Or when there is a white on minority hate crime.  James Byrd, anyone?

 

No, gruesome details are only an excuse for not want to cover a story that is against their agenda. 

 

They never mind gruesome details when it fits the left's agenda.  I mean how many times has the media covered the horrific details of newtown??

137 In other words, they act as bishops with an imprimatur, except that the gospel they are trying to preserve is a false gospel....and they sit on golden thrones...so to speak.

I much prefer the Catholic Church to the false gospel "church" of media "do-gooders."

138 Media people more than likely feel that by running stories about the Gosnell clinic atrocities they would be helping these horrible Reichwingers in waving the bloody fetus. So they won't do it.

Posted by: rockmom at April 11, 2013 03:19 PM (aBlZ1)

 

But it's perfectly okay -- and in fact morally justified -- to wave the bloody bodies of dead children in Newtown because guns.

 

I fucking hate the media.

139 139 MWR,

yeah well hold on to it and we ever get the chance to play "anything goes" use it...

140

It's why I get pissed when people fawn over British royalty as well. Their main accomplishment is to get born. Whooptefuckingdo.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2013 03:16 PM (ccXZP)

Yeah.  You're a better man than I because of whose hoo-hah you passed through?

Fuck you.

141 141 Washington nearsider,

"you're welcome....."

//Oliver Cromwell

142 You NAILED it in this article. Everything these people do and say is done out of fear. That's why you can't treat them with logic. I think they're ultimate fear, is that people will find out about all their personal shit they've been pulling.

143 135 our distinction from the other, not-evil animals is new and tenuous. Maybe we still have the option to not be evil. But that must not generate a very good "fit," in the "survival of the..." sense -------------------------------------------- Dawkins, The Selfish Gene: "Let us try to teach generosity and altruism, because we are born selfish." Query: Why engage in the patently unnatural project of trying to teach those things? Writer Annie Dillard "lived for a year by a creek in the mountains of Virginia expecting to be inspired and refreshed by closeness to 'nature.' Instead, she came to realize that nature was completely ruled by one central principle – violence by the strong against the weak." Dillard: “There is not a person in the world that behaves as badly as praying-mantises. But wait, you say, there is no right or wrong in nature; right and wrong is a human concept! Precisely! We are moral creatures in an amoral world... Or consider the alternative... it is only human feeling that is freakishly amiss... All right then – it is our emotions that are amiss. We are freaks, the world is fine, and let us all go have lobotomies to restore us to a natural state. We can leave... lobotomized, go back to the creek, and live on its banks as untroubled as any muskrat or reed. You first.” Commentary on Dillard: "Annie Dillard saw that all of nature is based on violence. Yet we inescapably believe it is wrong for stronger human individuals or groups to kill weaker ones. If violence is totally natural why would it be wrong for strong humans to trample weak ones? There is no basis for moral obligation unless we argue that nature is in some part unnatural. We can't know that nature is broken in some way unless there is some supernatural standard of normalcy apart from nature by which we can judge right and wrong." Source: http://tinyurl.com/cp5o6of

144 A well informed citizenry is a deadly threat to leftism and its power.

145 A liberal acquaintance of mine insists that this is media-embargoed so that the putrescent slug who committed these crimes can get a fair trial.

Uh-huh. When did that ever stop the media?

146 1) Kermit Gosnell, murderer of babies. Too difficult for public to read.

Benghazi. Failure of administration. Too difficult for public to know.

After all, if the public became aware that #1 (Gosnell) was evil, funding to Planned Parenthood and Roe vs Wade may be questioned when morals are scraped off as the harsh reality of killing babies is unveiled.

Regarding #2...the American public may realize that a squishy buffoon is in the White House, a narcissist who could give a hoot in hell about other Americans. Along with this, it was prior to a national election of squish, with the added uh oh of Hillary being in charge (and her future).

The media should be drawn, quartered and thrown to the fishes as chum.

I was a bit naive until 9/12/12, with the lack of honest reporting of Benghazi. That is the day I will remember, always. And, by 9/14/12, I decided we were no better than North Korea in having the media report the truth.

147 Oh, and Ace, great writing and points here. Thank you.

148 Elite Panic: I was watching a documentary tonight on the 9/11 hijackings. The hijackers only took control of the cockpits, the stewardesses main concern was lying to the passengers to keep them calm. They gave out bogus stories about there being a medical emergency on board. Apparently, this was the 'correct' procedure. This is what they were trained to do. If the passengers had known what was going on, they might have, oh I don't know, tried to get control of the planes back. Now, maybe they'd have ended up like the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. But, that plane was destined to be crashed into the White House. So, no attempt to take control back even though the hijackers only had box cutters. Many of the passengers had no clue they were hijacked until the hijackers dropped altitude to make their attacks.

149 76 I think Ace's point is true generally, but in this Gosnell case I think a bigger factor is the grossness of it all. The stories are so disgustingly horrible, so stomach churning, that we are beyond "morbid curiosity" and into "thinking about this will make me physically ill" territory. - Did that suppress reporting of the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse scandal? The left wing mass media is playing for a side. They aren't repelled by grossness when if favors their side.

150 I don't think so. If the media can falsely rile black against whites violence to occur, then thats okay