November 22, 2013
— Ace @maetenloch (I think) alerted me to this great George Will column on the Left's mythology of the Kennedy assassination. It was published, oddly, last month; but perhaps Will avoided publishing it to coincide with the anniversary of the assassination because the truth would be too painful for the Left -- and his left-leaning editors and syndicators.
“He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It’s — it had to be some silly little Communist.”— Jacqueline Kennedy, Nov. 22, 1963
She thought it robbed his death of any meaning. But a meaning would be quickly manufactured to serve a new politics. First, however, an inconvenient fact — Oswald — had to be expunged from the story. So, just 24 months after the assassination, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., the Kennedys’ kept historian, published a 1,000-page history of the 1,000-day presidency without mentioning the assassin.
The transformation of a murder by a marginal man into a killing by a sick culture began instantly — before Kennedy was buried. The afternoon of the assassination, Chief Justice Earl Warren ascribed Kennedy’s “martyrdom” to “the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots.” The next day, James Reston, the New York Times luminary, wrote in a front-page story that JFK was a victim of a “streak of violence in the American character,” especially of “the violence of the extremists on the right.”
Never mind that adjacent to RestonÂ’s article was a Times report on OswaldÂ’s communist convictions and associations.
Three days after the assassination, a Times editorial, “Spiral of Hate,” identified JFK’s killer as a “spirit”: The Times deplored “the shame all America must bear for the spirit of madness and hate that struck down” Kennedy. The editorialists were, presumably, immune to this spirit. The new liberalism-as-paternalism would be about correcting other people’s defects.
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The moral of liberalismÂ’s explanation of KennedyÂ’s murder is that there is a human instinct to reject the fact that large events can have small, squalid causes; there is an intellectual itch to discern large hidden meanings in events. And political opportunism is perennial.
Do read the whole thing. He writes of liberalism's descent into "punitive liberalism," which is not so much a politics as a religious mode of thought, in as much as modern progressivism is much-bothered by mankind's sins and the various offerings we can make to the Sky Gods to expiate them.
Rush Limbaugh talked about this article last month. The book which both Will and Limbaugh are discussing is 2007's Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism by James Piereson of the Manhattan Institute.
Now I'll talk about crocodiles and sorcerers. This will make sense, I promise.
I read a book a while ago by Carl Jung, called Modern Man In Search of a Soul. Jung had spent some time as an anthropologist in Africa. In the book, he attempted to explain the differences between the mental states of Modern Man and "Archaic Man," that is, Primitive Man. He noted that there was no real difference in actual intelligence. However, their thought processes were quite unalike.
When first we come into contact with primitive peoples or read about primitive mentality in scientific works, we cannot fail to be deeply impressed with the strangeness of archaic man. Lévy-Brühl himself, an authority in the field of the psychology of primitive societies, never wearies of insisting upon the striking difference between the "prelogical" state of mind and our conscious outlook.It seems to him, as a civilized man, inexplicable that the primitive should disregard the obvious lessons of experience, should flatly deny the most evident causal connections, and instead of accounting for things as accidents or on reasonable grounds, should simply take their "collective representations" to be valid offhand. By "collective representations," Lévy-Brühl means widely current ideas regarding spirits, witchcraft, the power of [shaman/witch doctor] medicines, and so forth. While it is perfectly understandable to us that people die of advanced age or as a result of diseases recognized to be fatal, this is not the case with primitive man. When old persons die, he does not believe it to be the result of age. He argues that there are persons who have grown much older. Likewise, no one dies as the result of disease, for there have been other people who recovered from the same disease, or never contracted it. To him, the real explanation is always magic. Either a spirit has killed the man, or sorcery has done so.
Many primitive tribes recognize death in battle as the only natural death. Still other tribes regard even death in battle as unnatural, holding that the adversary who brought it about must have either been a sorcerer or have used a charmed weapon.
This grotesque idea can on occasions take an even more impressive form. For instance, two anklets were found in the stomach of a crocodile shot by a European. The natives recognized the anklets as the property of two women who, some time before, had been devoured by a crocodile. At once the charge of witchcraft was raised, for this qite natural occurrence, which would never have aroused the suspicions of a European, was given an unexpected interpretation in the light of one of those presuppositions which Lévy-Brühl calls "collective representations."
The natives said that an unknown sorcerer had bidden it to bring him the two women. The crocodile had carried out the command. But what about the anklet's in the beast's stomach? The natives maintained that the crocodiles never ate people unless bidden to do so. The crocodile had received the anklets as a reward.
The story is a perfect example of that capricious way of accounting for things which is a feature of the "pre-logical" state of mind. We call it pre-logical, because to us such an explanation seems absolutely illogical. But it only strikes us this way because we start from assumptions wholly different from those of primitive man. If we were as convinced as he is of the existence of sorcerers and mysterious powers, instead of believing in so-called natural causes, his inferences would seem to us perfectly reasonable. As a matter of fact, primitive man is no more logical or illogical than we are. His presuppositions are not the same as ours, and that is what distinguishes him from us. His thinking and his conduct are based on assumptions other than our own. To all that is in any way out of the ordinary and that therefore disturbs, frightens, or astonishes him he ascribes what we should call a supernatural origin. For him, of course, these things are not supernatural; on the contrary, they belong to the world of experience [that is, day-to-day natural reality]. We feel that we are stating a natural sequence of events when we say: this house was burned down because the lightning struck it. Primitive man sense an equally natural sequence when he says: a sorcerer has used the lightning to set fire to this particular house. There is nothing whatsoever within the experience of primitive man-- provided that it is at all unusual or impressive -- that will not be accounted for on similar grounds.
Earlier, Jung had noted that Primitive Man is not so different from Modern Man as Modern Man likes to think:
The civilized man of today shows these archaic processes as well, and not merely in the form of sporadic "throw-backs" fro the level of modern social life. On the contrary, every civilized human being, whatever his conscious development, is still an archaic man in the deeper levels of his psyche.
It's a principle of sympathetic magic that like begets like. A Voodoo fetish doll can exert power over its target, because it has bits of the target's hair and nails in it.
And this principle works backwards as well. Magical thinking reasons not just from cause to effect (my fetish doll will give me control over the target), but from effect back to cause: if an extraordinary event occurred, such as a crocodile eating a woman, it must be due to an extraordinary cause, such as conclave of sorcerers using their Words of Power to manipulate the crocodile into its lethal bite.
Modern Man and Primitive Man are hardly any different at all. Modern Man likes to think he's given up on magical thinking, of hokum and superstition and dream-logic somewhere between "mythology" and "sustaining lie," but in fact they think precisely the same way. They just call things by different terms.
It is too hard to accept that the Great Progressive Hope could have been killed down by such a pissant little loser of a malcontent crocodile, I mean communist; therefore, he wasn't.
No, no piddly little crocodile, I mean communist, decided to kill Kennedy on its own; rather, it was bidden to do so by a conclave of Rightwing Sorcerers, sorcerers who poisoned the very air with Magic Words, Magic Words of great power, like "socialist" and "Anyone But JFK."
These Magic Words commanded the crocodile, I mean communist, to kill the King.
And once this mythic structure is accepted, and internalized, why then it becomes a "collective representation," and pre-logical presupposition informing all our interpretation of subsequent events.
For example, it was just in 2011 when the rational, logical American media and the secularist, Believer-in-Science Democratic Party decided that a crazed crocodile had been enchanted by a Evil Enchantress, apparently, again, by conjuring up a powerful spirit of hate.
Now, you see, the Evil Enchantress inspired the crocodile, even though the crocodile in question seemed, like Oswald, to be a leftist (to the extent he had any coherent politics at all), and was not a follower of the Enchantress.
He had not even seen the Evil Enchantress' FaceBook Page, upon which she engraved her Magical Glyphs of Power:
And yet, we knew the Evil Enchantress was responsible nonetheless. A great evil must have been worked by a similarly great magic. Like begets like.
The left are secularists, but they are extremely poor secularists. As you may know, I'm a secularist myself. I'm a nonbeliever, and to the extent I'm willing to entertain any belief at all, it's only because I'm a skeptic. That is to say, I'm skeptical of my nonbelief.
It occurs to me-- as a skeptic and secularist -- that if you seek to put away Magical Thinking, you put it all away. If you disbelieve in God, then you really ought to disbelieve in Transcendence as well, and Rightwing Sorcerers, and Magic Words, and Sustaining Myth-Lies, and all the rest of it.
One amusement to me, as a lonely disbeliever on the right, is noticing this about the Left: The Left imagines that their disbelief in God frees them from superstition.
In fact it does no such thing. The Left's disbelief in God does not free them from superstition -- rather, it frees the superstition to infect all other modes of their thought.
Rather than thinking in terms of the divine and magic in the area of theology and metaphysics -- which is really where thoughts about the divine and magic should be contained -- the left, being Bad at Secularism, instead permits superstition, myth, and magic to flood into all other compartments of their ship of the mind.
Rather than keeping religious thought confined to religions matters, as the openly religious do, the left, which is intensely religious but believes it is not, instead employs religious thought in all modes of thinking, particularly in politics (where The Government easily steps into the place of God as the Large, Abstract Power That Lords Above Us), but also in what they call "science."
You know, the science which personifies the Earth as a deity who seeks vengeance upon polluters and people who drive cars.
These Bad Secularists do not call this religion. They will not acknowledge it as fundamentally magical thinking, "pre-logical" and falling into the same primitive thought patterns still kicking around in the human mind which require that every extraordinary event be conjured by Mighty Sorcerers, or sent by the gods as punishment for a Grievous Sin.
And yet those who preen as being the most Free From Superstition are in fact the most shackled by it, because their very vanity will not permit them to see the ridiculous magical mythology they surround themselves in. Thus, within one single day, the Bad Secularists at the New York Times will posit that magical rightwing sorcerers directed the communist crocodile Lee Harvey Oswald to snatch the Princeling Kennedy from the river's bank, and the Bad Secularists at the Washington Post likewise weave mythic strands around Lee Harvey Oswald, Marxist, Soviet Defector, and world's first known Tea Partier.
And thus all the world's Devils are grouped together, ranked in Might and put into their diabolical hierarchy, Satan on top, Baal and Moloch next, and so on, down to Sarah Palin and the Koch Brothers.
We live in an age of religious hysteria. And the religious hysteria is not coming from the usual quarters, the self-acknowledged religious. Instead it comes from the irreligious, whose liberation from god only loosens the leash of their illogic and preference for mythic structures over reality.
You don't need God to be religious hysteric.
All you need is a Dogma and a Devil.
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Zombie Ted Kennedy honored his brother's memory this date by sandwiching a waitress in hell with his butt buddy, Zombie Paul Wellstone.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 22, 2013 02:19 PM (pJF+c)
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 02:20 PM (B/qhv)
We live in an age of religious hysteria. And the religious hysteria is not coming from the usual quarters, the self-acknowledged religious. Instead it comes from the irreligious, whose liberation from god only loosens the leash of their illogic and preference for mythic structures over reality.
And this is the precise reason they are so dangerous.
Posted by: Infidel at November 22, 2013 02:20 PM (O/fK8)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 22, 2013 02:21 PM (8JJ6O)
I assassinated your mother's entire recto-sigmoid colon with my massive man meat. While you were in a VC torture camp.
We kept CBS on while we were doing it, their lies made your mom cum harder.
Best wishes,
51% of America
Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 22, 2013 02:22 PM (vHRtU)
i thought it was chris dodd
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 22, 2013 06:21 PM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 22, 2013 02:23 PM (pJF+c)
...and Jung?
I'm imagining an Ewok, in a cardboard Burger King Crown, eating a Whopper Jr and reading, 'Modern Man...', in the ball pit.
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Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2013 02:27 PM (iGPSR)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at November 22, 2013 02:28 PM (kUgpq)
Ace,
I'm not so sure about this. Overt religiosity injected into the public sphere is a common American pastime. Not all sects, and perhaps not all religions, but just look at the arguments for teaching Creation Science in the schools!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2013 02:29 PM (oJ5Fd)
Camelot was created AFTER he died.
He was a bigger failure as a president than Grover Cleveland.
The first but not last media myth potus. Small caps.
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 22, 2013 02:29 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 02:31 PM (ix+5k)
When they burn us at the stake for blaspheming Gaia's holy Carbon Tax, it will be fun to die swapping Paul Anka jokes.
Keynes bless.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 22, 2013 02:31 PM (ZMzpb)
You don't need God to be religious hysteric.
All you need is a Dogma and a Devil.
Bingo.
This also explains the Unpeople view. If my morality stems from my political beliefs then those of opposite beliefs are, per se, immoral. Not only am I under no obligation to listen to the immoral, I am under an affirmative obligation to deny them a voice so as not to corrupt others.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 22, 2013 02:31 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: --- at November 22, 2013 02:32 PM (MMC8r)
Man is a vessel and will contain something.
The universe abhors a vacuum.
Posted by: noone, really at November 22, 2013 02:32 PM (5ikDv)
Thanks for reminding me that Ted is Dead. What a picker-upper that is.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 22, 2013 02:32 PM (ZMzpb)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at November 22, 2013 02:33 PM (kUgpq)
ok...i get it now....
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 22, 2013 06:26 PM (8JJ6O)
That was actually a three-fer. Kennedy, Wellstone, and Dodd, three assholes in a pod. Dissin' three liberal icons gives me great pleasure, and I'm hoping some liberal butthead will call me hateful names for commenting on their assholishness.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 22, 2013 02:33 PM (pJF+c)
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Posted by: due.blot at November 22, 2013 02:34 PM (MMC8r)
I like your observation about how those who reject religion simply decontain the instinct toward magical thinking and allow it to infest their analysis of purely secular phenomenon. That's a nice explanation for the stupidity that seems so apparent in people who have all the credentials that say "smart." You nailed the self-identified "reality-based community" bozos to tee.
The post could have used some tits, but otherwise, excellent.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 22, 2013 02:34 PM (8ZskC)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2013 06:29 PM (oJ5Fd)
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Chuckling Chuckles Johnson is chuckling over this comment.
Posted by: Soona at November 22, 2013 02:36 PM (66ULQ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 02:36 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: --- at November 22, 2013 02:36 PM (MMC8r)
but I like how she uses the word "conversation", as in "if you don't shut up and agree with me, I'll shout you down at every turn"
Posted by: Mallfly at November 22, 2013 02:36 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2013 02:36 PM (zqvg6)
99.8% of all liberals believe in ObamaCare, and the other two-tenths of a percent believe in Miss Cleo of Psychic Friends Network.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 22, 2013 02:37 PM (pJF+c)
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Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 02:38 PM (/FnUH)
"The world left to itself grows wilder than any creed. ...That is the only real question -- whether the Church is really madder than the world. Let the rationalists run their own race, and let us see where they end. If the world has some healthy balance other than God, let the world find it. Does the world find it? Cut the world loose; does the world stand on its own end? Does it stand, or does it stagger?" (The Ball and the Cross, Chesterton).
“A Saint keeps watch over his country and obtains it’s salvation. His prayers and virtues are more powerful than all the armies of the world.” –St Peter Julian Eymard.
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Who? Us!?!?Posted by: Church of Liberal Progressive Fundamentalism at November 22, 2013 02:39 PM (2rsFT)
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Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 02:39 PM (ZPrif)
Good post. As Rush says, "If you don't believe in god you'll believe anything".
Religion is inseparable from the human mind. If not a belief, at leat a healthy curiosity.
I remember seeing Sean Hannity interviewing Howard Stern. He asked Stern "Do you believe in God?" Stern thought about it for a few seconds and said "Well, I'm afraid to say no..."
Posted by: burmatar at November 22, 2013 02:39 PM (x6Qp7)
Posted by: Soona at November 22, 2013 06:36 PM (66ULQ)
The Ponytailed Tyrant had no interest in anything other than a perfectly secular state without even a hint of religion.
That's of course contrary to the wishes of the founders and a solid majority of Americans.
But teaching creation science as actual science makes no sense.
Teach it in theology or religion class, that's where it belongs in our public schools.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2013 02:40 PM (oJ5Fd)
It occurs to me-- as a skeptic and secularist -- that if you seek to put away Magical Thinking, you put it all away. If you disbelieve in God, then you really ought to disbelieve in Transcendence as well, and Rightwing Sorcerers, and Magic Words, and Sustaining Myth-Lies, and all the rest of it.
Hard to resolve this with your Doug Henning Fathead collection, Ace.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 02:41 PM (B/qhv)
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Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 02:42 PM (2rsFT)
CONTRAILS !!!111!!! Grassy KNOLL!!!!1!!11!
FEDERAL THOUGHT CONTROL BY FLU SHOTS !!!111!!!
Posted by: 52% of the American Electorate at November 22, 2013 02:43 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 02:43 PM (/FnUH)
If you haven't read any Richard Feynman, you should. Here's his take on cargo cult science (as kindly reposted in a WUWT article):
http://tinyurl.com/nswgyjd
Lots of parallels to your description of magical thinking.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 22, 2013 02:43 PM (cHZB7)
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Posted by: mugiwara at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (hpYnL)
When I'm feeling extra super duper bitchy, I like to eyeroll at those on the Left and point out that I grew up in the Evangelical Christian world and the strictures against women wearing pants and listening to modern music stem from exact same intellectual place as the strictures on using only sustainable goods and using gender neutral pronouns.
The point is to have outward expressions of moral superiority. Any actual moral superiority tends to be purely incidental.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 22, 2013 02:46 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2013 02:46 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 02:47 PM (2rsFT)
Hairy Reed's actions on the Nuclear Option has turned all republican's into Sicilian's.
-The Kraut
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 22, 2013 02:47 PM (pJF+c)
It is just a much an article of faith to believe that no god exists as it is to believe in a god. I have contempt for the fact that avowed atheists can't comprehend this.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 22, 2013 02:47 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 02:47 PM (dfYL9)
I just wish ace wasn't going to burn in Hell for all eternity.
Eternity isn't really that long in Ewok years.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 02:47 PM (B/qhv)
That missing piece came from Lyndon Johnson, dying by inches in bitter exile nine years later, confirming for the record that when he took over the Presidency, he learned that Kennedy had repeatedly tried to have the CIA kill Fidel Castro.
Castro had discovered several of those plots and knew perfectly well who had sent the would-be assassins.
And, the institutional left had built extensive networks of Castro sympathizers outside Cuba, who then learned from their Cuban comrades what the Agency had been trying to do at Kennedy's behest. Oswald was part of those networks and could not have failed to hear the chatter.
Oswald, an irrationally passionate fan of Castro and the Cuban revolution, decided that turnabout was fair play.
But, you'll never hear this simple, clean and consistent version of events from today's American left. Because the crude reality of Kennedy having coldly dispatched assassins against another head of state, what Johnson called "a damned Murder, Inc.", doesn't square up with their gauzy romantic re-imagining of the Kennedy years as Camelot.
Nor do the American left want any questions asked about why Kennedy was so keen to knock off Castro in particular. That starts to get into the longstanding links between the Kennedy clan and organized crime, which again are wholly inconsistent with the preferred mythic narrative.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 02:48 PM (gqT4g)
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Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 02:49 PM (2rsFT)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 02:49 PM (GEICT)
The Left would squeeze political value out of a rock if they could.
They did, remember Rick Perry?
Posted by: Infidel at November 22, 2013 02:50 PM (O/fK8)
“About time somebody shot that S.O.B.” That was heard in other places, mostly in the conservative states.
Mostly.
Posted by: Tom Brokew at November 22, 2013 02:50 PM (B/qhv)
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This begs the question, when they inevitably report CA numbers, what % of them will be dead people, people who did not know they had been enrolled, al queda members, or cartoon characters?
Posted by: Mayday at November 22, 2013 02:50 PM (eHc+1)
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Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2013 02:51 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 22, 2013 06:46 PM (Gk3SS)
And yet they consciously reject any real moral superiority.
For instance, the Western world is morally superior to the Muslim world because we frown upon child rape and gouging out the genitalia of little girls.
But the left turns away from such judgments precisely because they would have to admit to some morality in the first place.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2013 02:52 PM (oJ5Fd)
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Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 02:53 PM (GEICT)
I think it's funny that Brokaw had to be 'peeled off' the Engineer right before he trotted back to work.
Something tells me Tom Brokaw coming at you would be pretty funny.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 02:53 PM (B/qhv)
Have another Friday Drink
http://celebrationsathomeblog.com/2013/11/apple-pumpkin-spice-cocktail.html
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2013 02:54 PM (iGPSR)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 22, 2013 02:54 PM (CKdHk)
It is a basic principle of liberalism to project the results or aims of their philosophy on anyone who opposes them. They twist and contort the language so words are devoid of their original meanings. They despicably and subliminally ascribe personal attributes to certain words with dastardly meaning, so their mere repetition evokes hatred or contempt for their opponents. It's a world of contrariety, contortions and outright abuse of anyone who disagrees with them. It's not temperate, smart, intellectual or democratic. It is the domain of despots, petty tyrants and self-absorbed people whose soul purpose is to impose their allegedly superior will on others.
We've seen this movie before and it doesn't end well. Yet they goose step on in their vain attempt to control, belittle and subjugate us to their will. They will rue the day people reach their limits and the piper has to be paid.
Posted by: Martin Basheer at November 22, 2013 02:54 PM (PheMG)
Posted by: Eton Cox at November 22, 2013 02:54 PM (q177U)
So, I see that they have a new movie called *nebraska*. Look, I grew up there, and at the first chance moved back to orange county where I was born. My college football team will always be the Big Red , and I will gleefully fight any Okie from muskogee for braggin rights.And your politic's, well, I guess my libertarian way's will alway's rule my life.
Posted by: husker at November 22, 2013 02:55 PM (5fkya)
but had to steal Illinois.
But I damn sure wasn't paying for a landslide!
Posted by: Joe Kennedy at November 22, 2013 02:55 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 02:55 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 06:42 PM (P1WNR)
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Agree. *clutching magic beans*
Posted by: Soona at November 22, 2013 02:56 PM (66ULQ)
Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman Climatologist at November 22, 2013 02:56 PM (sJlgq)
Posted by: --- at November 22, 2013 02:57 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 22, 2013 02:57 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 22, 2013 02:57 PM (CKdHk)
It's so much easier to be 100% confident in one's God. Doubt is so messy.
Sort of like the left and socialism.
Alas....some of us have brains.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2013 02:57 PM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: John the Libertarian at November 22, 2013 02:57 PM (jKf/K)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 06:55 PM (P1WNR)
It's also grand fun to point out to the Left that California used to be a red state and Texas a blue one.
I have been accused of lying about that more than once.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 22, 2013 02:57 PM (Gk3SS)
Are you fuckin' bugnuts crazy? This type of shit doesn't belong on here.
Can someone get rid of this idiot?
Posted by: jem at November 22, 2013 02:57 PM (fM4kr)
Mumbling senile dolt embarrasses himself again.
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2013 06:46 PM (zqvg6)
Precious. Did he end that with "I'm Tom Brokaw and this is an American Story"?
Posted by: burmatar at November 22, 2013 02:58 PM (x6Qp7)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 22, 2013 02:59 PM (CKdHk)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 02:59 PM (dfYL9)
I was in downtown San Francisco when the radio suddenly announced that Ronald Reagan had been shot.
The response was open public exaltation. Fists pumping in the air. Fuck yeah!
Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 02:59 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Pttdu Apiptix at November 22, 2013 02:59 PM (SwHqo)
Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2013 06:51 PM (zqvg6)
Well except that Carol Burnett was Oswald's controller and she had her own plan.
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 22, 2013 03:00 PM (pAlYe)
JFK was a piker when it came to stealing elections.
Posted by: LBJ at November 22, 2013 06:56 PM (pJF+c)
What the hell is a piker anyway?
Posted by: burmatar at November 22, 2013 03:00 PM (x6Qp7)
Posted by: --- at November 22, 2013 03:00 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 03:00 PM (2rsFT)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 22, 2013 06:46 PM (Gk3SS)
Yep, no different from the self-righteous Puritans who they mock.
It is just a much an article of faith to believe that no god exists as it is to believe in a god. I have contempt for the fact that avowed atheists can't comprehend this.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 22, 2013 06:47 PM (8ZskC)
One of my best friend's brothers is an avowed atheist and an otherwise pretty bright guy. I once pointed this out to him and he responded that the burden of proof is to prove god, since his belief is negative it's by definition true unless the god believers prove otherwise. I say, well don't you have to prove the positive of no god? No, the no god negates, thereby making him right. And no, he's not a lawyer. Finance.
Posted by: mugiwara at November 22, 2013 03:00 PM (hpYnL)
Posted by: Generalissimo Taco at November 22, 2013 03:01 PM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:02 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 22, 2013 03:02 PM (ix+5k)
Posted by: nadavegan at November 22, 2013 03:03 PM (JqzMm)
Posted by: Generalissimo Taco at November 22, 2013 03:03 PM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: --- at November 22, 2013 03:03 PM (MMC8r)
Yep and that wasn't the only place. The comment I heard was it's about time someone shot him. That was in NJ.
Yet the "right" killed Kennedy and are the one's filled with vitriol and hatred.
Bull. It has almost always been, across history, Democrats and their liberal masters who are responsible for the most despicable incidents in our history. And they always falsely project blame on the elusive "Right".
Posted by: Marcus at November 22, 2013 03:04 PM (PheMG)
I find it hard to square this up with the way in which Communist bloc intelligence conducted other political assassinations in the West during the cold war years. Oswald was a pretty flakey guy, and they didn't do flakey. Meticulously drilled professionalism and plausible deniability was their M.O.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 03:04 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: husker at November 22, 2013 03:04 PM (5fkya)
Posted by: mugiwara at November 22, 2013 07:00 PM (hpYnL)
--------------------------------
Ah. He used the old 0+0=1 gambit.
Posted by: Soona at November 22, 2013 03:05 PM (66ULQ)
"I am an American and we do MIGHTY things used to make the heavens tremble...
now it makes Iran snicker.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:06 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: --- at November 22, 2013 03:07 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Kreplach at November 22, 2013 03:07 PM (hmUex)
Posted by: Generalissimo Taco at November 22, 2013 03:07 PM (kkbgQ)
"Uh we choose to pay for birth control, and we choose to pay for birth control, and we uh er choose to ah pay for birth control not uh because it is er easy but because ah every once in a bit a female may uh make me hard."
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:08 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 22, 2013 03:08 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: dr kill at November 22, 2013 03:09 PM (gBaCv)
Politics is a bit harder for anyone that follows a moral guideline, such as don't lie, cheat , steal etc.
Much easier for those with no conscience.
Posted by: dahousedatBAMbuilt at November 22, 2013 03:09 PM (bSGze)
Posted by: Darren at November 22, 2013 03:10 PM (7K2n8)
Posted by: Jmel at November 22, 2013 03:10 PM (cfFqn)
yup...how the mighty have fallen...
Pan-Anglia is gonna have to have the later kids carry the torch now...maybe.
Mom England sure seems to be trying to get its head out of its ass on AGW though so maybe England will say "good enough boys come on home!"
I like English culurual tells and think they are worth preserving.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:10 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Flying Toaster Circus at November 22, 2013 03:11 PM (m9V0o)
(But at least I took that bastards eye!)
Posted by: Chubbs Peterson at November 22, 2013 03:11 PM (xKK9v)
Posted by: Kreplach at November 22, 2013 03:11 PM (hmUex)
Posted by: Generalissimo Taco at November 22, 2013 03:12 PM (kkbgQ)
I was in RVN when Kennedy was murdered, and our team received a Morse code message in free text, and we though it was a joke?
The following day our camp was resupplied by C-123 and we learned the tragic truth. A lot of concern for the nation and our families, but we were unable to effect any action.
Unbelievably, our beloved CiC was dead. A lot of anger and depression, but we all lived through the mission for the return to Okinawa and eventual contact with family a few months later.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 22, 2013 03:12 PM (pJF+c)
The Chesterton quote:
“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at November 22, 2013 03:12 PM (Hj9yW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 03:12 PM (t3UFN)
When that happened I was living in Columbia, Missouri. My sister-in-law at the time was an RN at the Dallas hospital where JFK was taken and witnessed him being brought into the ER. It occurred on a Friday, and for some reason my wife and I decided to immediately go to Dallas, driving late into the night. The following day (Saturday) we were examining the area at Parkland General, including the spot where JFK lay as he was pronounced dead.
Why we did that I don't know, but it was like a compulsion of sorts. We also visited Dealey Plaza where the shots were fired and examined the Texas Book Depository building, perhaps even from the Grassy Knoll that later became so famous but which at that time was unrelated to the myth. All this occurred barely 24 hours after the events.
Today is my 73rd birthday and I have not been a Democrat since voting for Hubert Humphrey.
Posted by: Ruthless at November 22, 2013 03:12 PM (1q+Wv)
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 03:13 PM (zurJC)
Excellent post Darren.
Essentially we are stuck in the middle of a Neo-Theocratic power grab here.
Success or failure does not factor in to a portion of the Democrat electorate's political existence because these are rituals of faith they are involved in not serious problem solving paradigms.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:13 PM (9jfyN)
See also: English Major and Film Major.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 22, 2013 03:13 PM (ODsL5)
Posted by: husker at November 22, 2013 03:14 PM (5fkya)
Posted by: Pastorius at November 22, 2013 03:14 PM (gMAUH)
Although the provenance is muddy, a quote ascribed to G. K. Chesterton goes, 'A man who won’t believe in God will believe in anything.' A more exact Chesterton quote from one of his Father Brown novels reads, 'You hard-shelled materialists were all balanced on the very edge of belief – of belief in almost anything.' You get the idea.
But yes, you're right, Ace: the belief system of the Left has all of the attributes of a religious faith. Others have pointed this out before, of course, but it bears repeating. Pointing it out also drives them absolutely batshit crazy, and that's a good thing.
Posted by: troyriser at November 22, 2013 03:14 PM (O66NZ)
Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 03:14 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 22, 2013 03:15 PM (fWOX0)
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 03:15 PM (zurJC)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 03:16 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: goldilocks at November 22, 2013 03:16 PM (FIMVX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 03:17 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 03:18 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 03:18 PM (1Y+hH)
Well, 3 shots were fired from the school book depository, 3 empty bullet casings were found there as well as the gun that fired them, but I'm with you, it was sorcery.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 03:19 PM (P1WNR)
It was a Carcano 91/38 Carbine and incorrectly called a "Mannlicher".
But don't let me stop you. You were on a roll.
Posted by: Marcus at November 22, 2013 03:19 PM (PheMG)
The true believers will never go quietly, though. The well of magical thinking will never run dry in their minds. They are the culture of fear.
Posted by: dissent555 at November 22, 2013 03:19 PM (yR6A1)
One of the Horde mentioned a lefty true-believer Jewish couple, the Fields, who had apparently worked as Soviet intelligence agents and then fled to the communist bloc when Whittaker Chambers blew their cover.
They were pretty surprised by the chilly reception, it seems. Yet incredibly STILL did not lose their faith in communism!
This was new to me, but also in a sense, old. After having read so many other stories of the True Believers who could never get their heads round the idea that what they had given their lives to was a brutal lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Field
Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 03:20 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Marcus at November 22, 2013 03:20 PM (PheMG)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:20 PM (yz6yg)
Hmm. Conservative hate rays have been measured at 5.5 mm in diameter.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 22, 2013 03:21 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Null at November 22, 2013 03:21 PM (DuH+r)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:21 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 03:21 PM (2rsFT)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 22, 2013 03:21 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: simplemind at November 22, 2013 03:22 PM (hTeQK)
sometimes during the early morning when in a younger phase of my life I would've been drunk as a monkey on Sangria and talking to a retarded Lab/Chow I let the darker angels in my soul and intellectual upbrnging come out to play I can imagine Cicero beating the fuck out of Obama berating him on his faulty rhetorical style.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:23 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 03:23 PM (ZPrif)
Read the stories and testimony of those responsible for the autopsy. It pretty easy to understand why their were errors made.
Posted by: Marcus at November 22, 2013 03:23 PM (PheMG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 22, 2013 03:24 PM (fWOX0)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 03:24 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: Decaf at November 22, 2013 03:24 PM (pyqPQ)
That's a damn fine piece of writing right there Ace. You just nailed it you furry Ewok bastard. That's why I love reading your stuff man. Well done!
Posted by: Anabolic State at November 22, 2013 03:25 PM (pQg3M)
Posted by: EROWMER at November 22, 2013 03:25 PM (OONaw)
And the union goons cheered her.
She told them that Boeing's plant, making widebody jet airliners, Boeing being one of only two firms on the planet to be able to do that competitively, should be taken over by worker's committees ("soviets", I believe the left once called those) and the tooling adapted to produce "peaceful" goods.
Like buses, instead of airliners.
Buses. Jesus wept.
And the union goons cheered her! As though they expect they'll make as much money assembling buses as they do building the 777. Brilliant.
I expect Boeing corporate will next invest fresh money in the state of Washington some time after ski resorts open in the lower circles of Hell.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 03:25 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: blue.dot at November 22, 2013 03:25 PM (QjTYO)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:25 PM (/FnUH)
I posted a few links earlier to autopsy photos and such.
You weren't around and I was very very pointed in warning of the graphic nature therein.
My aim was to help, and your point in the above is a good one. JFK's death had a lot of people hustling in jobs that were not their main bread and butter and RFK/Jackie O's demand that he be whisked to DC and they exert coercive oversight of every procedure interfered with the criminology to a degree. It's sad but it is noticeable and Posner and Bugliosi both address it.
You've been on fire since your break chief...
thanks for the ones and zeroes since.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:26 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:27 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:27 PM (sByIH)
Posted by: dahousedatBAMbuilt at November 22, 2013 03:27 PM (bSGze)
In the end, I would conclude he did it alone, but lots of people knew about it and did nothing to stop it.
Everything else aside, it is still tragic. For a president to be assassinated in that manner is never good for the nation.
Posted by: Marcus at November 22, 2013 03:27 PM (PheMG)
Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 22, 2013 03:27 PM (hpgw1)
Posted by: oc joe at November 22, 2013 03:27 PM (5fkya)
Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 03:28 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:28 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: goldilocks at November 22, 2013 03:28 PM (FIMVX)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 22, 2013 07:20 PM (yz6yg)
I thought he was using a Barney Frank gun. A Manlicker.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 22, 2013 03:29 PM (mVyen)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 22, 2013 03:29 PM (ZPrif)
There is a variant Kennedy conspiracy theory which says that Kennedy was accidentally shot by one of the Secret Service agents riding behind him, who apparently had been toting one of the early-iteration AR rifles.
First with the best equipment and all that.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 22, 2013 03:29 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 03:29 PM (2rsFT)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:30 PM (sByIH)
1. Kennedy was a lothario who porked more married women in his life than any man in recorded history;
2. Sarah Palin is a married woman who was gestating on the date that Kennedy was killed.
3. Therefore, Sarah Palin retroactively had Kennedy killed in sympathy with Jackie Kennedy, who most certainly was humiliated by her "husband's" continual not-very-well-concealed conquests.
4. Palin, despite being one of the dumbest human beings ever to live, much like all other Republican office-holders/seekers, used her nefarious genius skills to create a time machine and travel back in time, where she met Lee Harvey Oswald and handed him her Italian wolf-murderin' rifle, and convinced him to kill the president.
5. Oswald killed Kennedy whilst Palin traveled back to the present.
6. Palin also arranged for Jack Ruby to kill Oswald.
See? This shit is EASY.
Posted by: FYNQ at November 22, 2013 03:30 PM (TM1p8)
It was an Italian Carcano bolt gun, 6.5mm I believe.
I saw one on Armslist this week. Funny timing.
Posted by: EC at November 22, 2013 03:30 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:30 PM (/FnUH)
I'm speechless. This is far and away the most important analysis of Leftist "thought" that I've ever read. Ace, there should be an award for this kind of writing, because this is brilliant.
Posted by: Cato at November 22, 2013 03:30 PM (i+Vw2)
When interviewed he stated his name as West, Allen.
Also, the doctors at Parkland noted the exit wound in the throat as an entry wound, you see they never rolled the president over to look for another wound since they weren't performing an autopsy, they were trying to save the president's life.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 03:30 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 22, 2013 03:31 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 03:31 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 22, 2013 03:31 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 22, 2013 07:31 PM (Gk3SS)
JAYNE MANSFIELD WAS THE SECOND GUNMAN!
Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 22, 2013 03:31 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 03:32 PM (1Y+hH)
Unless the hands in that pic are munchkins or elves, the hole in the skin looks plenty big enough to be 6.5mm...or more
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 03:32 PM (Xlbr8)
Posted by: ScoggDog at November 22, 2013 03:33 PM (6/+vz)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 03:34 PM (2rsFT)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:34 PM (sByIH)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:35 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Vendette at November 22, 2013 03:35 PM (MpP9p)
One of the links I posted was a 1967 recreation and lab on "the impossible nature of the shots."
http://youtu.be/WovyEqfR8Hg
The US Army did tests for the House Committee On Assasination 85% of miltary trained shooters tested could replicate or better Oswald's feat of arms.
To put things in perspective my 6.5*55mm Swedish Mauser is an accurate enough delivery device that when I was young and tuned up I could break broomsticks with iron sights at 50-75 yards with some regularity.
It is not magic it is applied math and physics.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:36 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 03:36 PM (B/qhv)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 03:37 PM (P1WNR)
I guess Jesse's mediocre mind must have overruled his skill with a rifle.
Note. This is a dig on Jesse.... Nothing else.
Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 03:37 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: dahousedatBAMbuilt at November 22, 2013 03:38 PM (bSGze)
Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Flying Toaster Circus at November 22, 2013 03:38 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Javems at November 22, 2013 03:38 PM (c8xU9)
Cato, Ace this is why mobilizing more Horde on twitter is vital.
We can influence the conservative message more by using our collective rolodexes online to get the better writing here in mainstream circulation.
This piece is Doc Zero at his best worthy.
I have no higher praise to give because he is when on his A game simply one of the best I have ever read.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:39 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: goldilocks at November 22, 2013 03:39 PM (FIMVX)
one millimeter is .039. That is not much. It could have easily been measured incorrectly.
.039 goes into an inch more than 25x. I doubt they were using machinist tools to measure bullet holes, more like a ruler probably
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 22, 2013 03:39 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 03:39 PM (zurJC)
Posted by: oc joe at November 22, 2013 03:40 PM (5fkya)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:41 PM (sByIH)
Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 22, 2013 03:41 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 03:41 PM (zurJC)
Dogma.
Dogma had Selma Hayek in a Catholic Schoolgirl Outfit.
...and Linda Fiorentino in panties.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 03:42 PM (B/qhv)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:42 PM (yz6yg)
Heh and once you learn reality it makes it a lot easier to look at Oliver Stone and grasp he is simply protecting his wing of the Democrat civil war's rep eh?
What terrifies me is my perception that the Gen Y types lack the innate skepticism prior generations were taught was a civic virtue.
Glad you're here.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:43 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:43 PM (sByIH)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 03:43 PM (2rsFT)
Posted by: --- at November 22, 2013 03:44 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:44 PM (sByIH)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 03:44 PM (P1WNR)
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 03:44 PM (zurJC)
Female shooters tend to have a lot less preconceived notions on shooting and Hollywood theatric mannerisms involved.
My wife was easy to teach once I inured her to recoil and noise.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:45 PM (9jfyN)
I posted the link to the ACTUAL PICTURE. You claim is not supported by the picture of the actual wound.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 03:46 PM (Xlbr8)
FMJ doesn't work that way. Ever.
Actually, you are wrong. At certain speed FMJ rounds will spall.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 03:47 PM (B/qhv)
He admitted to being Jodie Foster's stooge.
Posted by: Jimi Hendrix at November 22, 2013 03:47 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:47 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 03:48 PM (2rsFT)
Posted by: weirdflunky at November 22, 2013 03:48 PM (SK5lM)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 22, 2013 03:48 PM (tmFlQ)
Really, I'm sure he just picked that up at the nearest 7-11 in Dallas on his way to the Book Repositoryl
We must close the 7/11 / Gun Show Loophole.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 03:48 PM (B/qhv)
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 03:49 PM (zurJC)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 03:49 PM (P1WNR)
.
It was a 175' shot - 58 yards. Doesn't take an Expert to make that (those) shots.
Posted by: Javems at November 22, 2013 03:51 PM (c8xU9)
Posted by: Crocodile Thrall at November 22, 2013 03:51 PM (9eDbm)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:51 PM (yz6yg)
I do believe one of the shooters had an onion tied to his belt. Which was the style of the time.
The other didn't.
Posted by: GMB at November 22, 2013 03:51 PM (nkPV9)
Why did the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head explode and the one that went through 2 people didn't?
I'm no ballistics expert, but I shoot a lot and I have shot a lot of critters.
One hit bone before it slowed below ballistic speeds.
The other passed through flesh and slowed down.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2013 03:51 PM (B/qhv)
Believe what you want to believe
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 07:49 PM (zurJC)
wrong, all that energy has to go somewhere a FMJ could easily pop a head like that
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 22, 2013 03:52 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:52 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:52 PM (sByIH)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:52 PM (yz6yg)
Shh he's rolling...he is saying FMJ is incapable of producing hydrostatic blood pool explosion which is not what Project Salvo said but "okay"...
http://youtu.be/vVPRV_j71CM
AGAIN GRAPHIC do not click lightly....
Yes FMJ is not optimal for wound potential but a 6.5 bullet that hits a blood pool and a weak joint can be plenty theatric....
ask people chewed up by 8mm FMJ on Normandy
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:53 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: ace at November 22, 2013 03:54 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:54 PM (sByIH)
Posted by: Madamex at November 22, 2013 03:54 PM (islXR)
Posted by: underdown at November 22, 2013 03:55 PM (c7pBL)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 22, 2013 03:55 PM (yz6yg)
There goes dinner
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2013 07:12 PM (t3UFN)
Well, at least they are both members of the same faith.....
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 03:56 PM (60Q+L)
Posted by: Dirty Old Man at November 22, 2013 03:57 PM (Avvys)
I saw testing on the type of bullet used and the bullet would start tumbling after it would pass through a body and of course slow down. The "magic bullet" did this, and if you look at Connally's coat jacket the entry wound is elongated.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 03:58 PM (P1WNR)
In part....
there's footage of the Nazis shooting people in a similar way.
Essentially the neck shot tensed up his back he recoiled trapped by his harness and then the head shot released his muscle tension...
This is settled science in every case but the Kennedy one which is "magic"
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 03:58 PM (9jfyN)
At the slow vehicle speed, lead would be inches...if you even bothered.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 03:58 PM (Xlbr8)
Posted by: weirdflunky at November 22, 2013 03:58 PM (SK5lM)
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 22, 2013 03:59 PM (VqkHF)
Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Flying Toaster Circus at November 22, 2013 04:00 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2013 04:02 PM (DmNpO)
This is one of the best posts ever. The anklet angle took my breath away.
Posted by: Born Free at November 22, 2013 04:02 PM (xL8Hf)
@229 Just saying. And it was a Jordanian the Jooos snuck into this Country that killed RFK. So you see the pattern here right?
---------------
Did they sneak him in before or after he attended my high school?
/rolleyes
Posted by: junior at November 22, 2013 04:02 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you must call me Chelsea at November 22, 2013 04:03 PM (7cS5n)
Yup, he walked his round in like the era's USMC shooters were taught.
No great mystery other than why they embraced the faction Kennedy died fighting.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 04:03 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Editor at November 22, 2013 04:04 PM (Q8Wa9)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 22, 2013 04:04 PM (2rsFT)
That...and the physics of F=MA. People getting popped in real life ain't whipped around like in the movies unless they're dwarfs or midgets, or they're getting hit with .50AE frangible.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 22, 2013 04:08 PM (Xlbr8)
Posted by: Madamex at November 22, 2013 04:09 PM (islXR)
Yup...
http://youtu.be/gJIlrcGxHyo
they show mid clip the test of .50 cal ammo on human weight....
needless to say it is not quite like video games show
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 04:12 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Fritz at November 22, 2013 04:13 PM (TKFmG)
Posted by: simplemind at November 22, 2013 04:17 PM (hTeQK)
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 22, 2013 07:49 PM (zurJC)
And indeed you do.
You know, if you want to make an FMJ round into an expanding round, all you have to do is file the nose of the bullet flat, and expose the lead core. You certain that Oswald was incapable of that?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 22, 2013 04:18 PM (60Q+L)
http://tinyurl.com/le5nouf
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 22, 2013 04:24 PM (P1WNR)
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Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 22, 2013 04:56 PM (hpgw1)
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Posted by: gewa76 at November 22, 2013 05:43 PM (k8m83)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you must call me Chelsea at November 22, 2013 05:46 PM (7cS5n)
Blue Duck you're back...why the lack of self-flagellation as a society on reagan being sacrificed by a Democrat scion and missing by *that much*....
does HOrryweird have a role given his prediliction with Jodie Foster...?
*flush*
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 05:51 PM (9jfyN)
The GOP should remember that. People need more than prosperity and peace; they need to feel that they matter in some existential way.
Posted by: PJ at November 22, 2013 05:52 PM (ZWaLo)
I seek my validation through God and my family and friends...
politics is a poor substitute.
Posted by: sven at November 22, 2013 05:54 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: gewa76 at November 22, 2013 06:00 PM (k8m83)
Posted by: Tonawanda at November 22, 2013 06:03 PM (mE1l+)
Garrison had to be a nut. There's a book , a diary of the making of Live and let Die by Roger Moore, in it he says he met Garrison while they were filming in LA. He showed him some film footage, couldn't say what, about the case. What did G think, that 007 would find the guilty people ?? G must have shown that stuff to everybody he ever met.
Posted by: bill sometimes bill from canada at November 22, 2013 06:54 PM (o1zlj)
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Posted by: Thunderb at November 22, 2013 07:41 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 22, 2013 07:31 PM (lr3d7)
*******
She had pretty massive guns, we'll grant you that.
Posted by: Hari Seldon at November 22, 2013 07:49 PM (iD/v0)
Posted by: Barry Bama at November 22, 2013 08:24 PM (rCS6C)
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Posted by: herbork at November 23, 2013 06:09 AM (t1s5e)
Keep the (non-) faith. The right needs unsentimental secularists just as much as we need the religious. Maybe we can call it a coalition of the sane.
Posted by: JohnMilton'sGhost at November 23, 2013 07:49 AM (bOI5Q)
Extraordinary essay Ace.
I would like to say that I consider your blog as one of the best and is the first one I turn to every morning.
And this is only my opinion but I think that you and C.S. Lewis would have gotten along very well together.
Please don't ever go off the rails like that guy from LGF did.
Remember... they turned Lenin into a holy relic.
Posted by: deepred at November 23, 2013 09:11 AM (RHYM4)
Great post Ace! One of your very best.
For those who may be interested, Nova did a program on the gun and bullets Oswald used that includes ballistic tests and forensics. Link here: video.pbs.org/video/2365118537
Posted by: Nunya Bizness at November 23, 2013 09:35 AM (Iu4kL)
This is a great post, Ace. The notion of leftists-substituting-superstitions-for-religion has percolated around for a while, but this post really fleshes out the concept and ties a lot of it together. Well done.
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