March 21, 2013
— Ace Guy's got some skillz.
“Adam Lanza commits a crime, and I’m here to gr0vel and plead for my rights and explain to you that my firearms are kept safely?” he asked rhetorically. “I keep hearing the word “solution”… you’re not going to find a solution, it doesn’t exist. You can’t find a broad brush solution to evil.”...
“You’ll get a better handle on it maybe in a dictatorship where they just go in and take all your guns and lock-down, and they’ve got big brother watching all over you everywhere, they’ve got cameras on every corner, cameras in every neighborhood,” the Democrat continued.
“Well, we have some of that going on right now,” Steed interrupted.
Mikutel explained that Connecticut doesn’t want to go down that route and so it makes lawmakers’ job more “difficult.”
“The reason that your jobs are becoming so difficult is because you’re coloring outside the lines of constitutional parameters,” Steed shot back. “That’s the bottom line. You are trying to marriage up public safety with constitutional rights. The Constitution did not guarantee public safety, it guaranteed liberty. And sometimes what comes with liberty is tragedy, unfortunately.”
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Posted by: Piers Morgan at March 21, 2013 12:13 PM (WCe8r)
That is ALL the explanation they need. It is in plain English and even an idiot can understand it.
Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2013 12:15 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Liberal Do-Gooders at March 21, 2013 12:16 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:16 PM (xN73L)
then
Adolf Hitler misusing politics means all politicians should lose their positions.
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at March 21, 2013 12:16 PM (l8nIR)
Amen!!! Needs to be repeated every time gun rights comes up.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2013 12:17 PM (OlKkB)
Posted by: Piers Morgan at March 21, 2013 12:17 PM (WCe8r)
Posted by: AMartel at March 21, 2013 12:18 PM (1Bqk7)
MolonLabe Muther efers!
Posted by: concealedkerry or submitt at March 21, 2013 12:18 PM (vXqv3)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 21, 2013 12:18 PM (4df7R)
WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT FOR YOU WINGNUTS?!!
*SPIT*
Posted by: KayInMaine at March 21, 2013 12:18 PM (3w4WK)
This guy was great!!! As I have said all over the place MISCALCULATION.
GOP needs to make a huge push to reach out to union rank and file and then WATCH THE FUCK OUT.
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 21, 2013 12:18 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: The Q at March 21, 2013 12:19 PM (yVmMc)
Posted by: Andy at March 21, 2013 12:19 PM (C/NnJ)
he says, "You just can't insure for EVERYTHING."
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 12:19 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 21, 2013 12:19 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: wooga at March 21, 2013 12:19 PM (14yYa)
WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT FOR YOU WINGNUTS?!!
*SPIT*
Posted by: KayInMaine at March 21, 2013 04:18 PM (3w4WK)
How's that working out for Mexico?
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 12:19 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 21, 2013 12:20 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: mallfly at March 21, 2013 12:20 PM (bJm7W)
Here's livestreaming of demonstrations and riots in Cyprus. That's a group of people who could use some gun rights.
http://tinyurl.com/d626wzq
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 21, 2013 12:20 PM (AC0lD)
The problem is the lawmakers want an easy "solution" for which they can claim credit rather than grapple with the truly difficult, if not impossible, task of addressing the real problem which is the mentally ill.
They're also too cowardly -- and the public too averse to hearing unhappy truths -- to come out and say, "Bad things happen, and that will never change."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 21, 2013 12:20 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 21, 2013 12:21 PM (j3uk1)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:21 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 21, 2013 12:22 PM (wAng0)
Barky lets 2228 criminal Illegal Immigrants out on the street...and he wants to disarm us.
Yeah.
Sounds about right.
Posted by: wheatie at March 21, 2013 12:22 PM (UMBJ2)
They're also too cowardly -- and the public too averse to hearing unhappy truths -- to come out and say, "Bad things happen, and that will never change."
A fitting corollary to the observation that the bottom half of the population will never catch up to the rest. By definition.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 21, 2013 12:22 PM (IDSI7)
Here's livestreaming of demonstrations and riots in Cyprus. That's a group of people who could use some gun rights.
They've got till Monday to sort out their mess or the Euro zone's going to kick them out and let them collapse. This weekend is going to be a very, very unpleasant one in Cyprus.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 21, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R)
What he said: "The Constitution did not guarantee public safety, it guaranteed liberty."
What politicians heard: "blahblahblah Constitution is the problem blahblah hateblackpeoples blahblah I'materroristwhatalksaboutlampposts blahblahblah wackjob "
Posted by: Bigby's Uptwinkles at March 21, 2013 12:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 21, 2013 12:23 PM (tqLft)
I want to hear about uncommon sense from extraordinary people, meaning typically, from nobody involved with either the government or the media.
Posted by: Fritz at March 21, 2013 12:23 PM (WM+rJ)
Posted by: angel with a sword at March 21, 2013 12:23 PM (mDVDU)
Posted by: Joe the Plumber at March 21, 2013 12:23 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 21, 2013 12:23 PM (bxiXv)
From this we get NYT vs Sullivan in which the press can pretty much do anything it wants and say anything it wants with impunity, unless you can crawl in the reporter's head and prove that he intended to slander you for harm
Meanwhile we have the second so much more strongly worded and yet they are allowed to limit the types of weapons, where you can "bear" them, and whether you can own them at all.
This is what 100 years of liberals on the court will do. We don't have judges, we have 9 black robed politicians.
Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2013 12:23 PM (53z96)
Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 21, 2013 12:24 PM (uff2W)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 21, 2013 12:24 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 12:24 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:24 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 21, 2013 12:25 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Roy at March 21, 2013 12:26 PM (VndSC)
A response I'd probly get for saying sommat like that:
"Liberty"? WTF does that even *mean*? Can any of you wingnuts define it? *shouty face*
Posted by: Bigby's Uptwinkles at March 21, 2013 12:26 PM (3ZtZW)
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They're a bit tied up trying to figure out how they are going to package up illegal alien amnesty and paths to deal with this type of issue.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 21, 2013 12:26 PM (eEfYn)
Posted by: Whatev at March 21, 2013 12:27 PM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: citizen khan at March 21, 2013 12:27 PM (5HuMr)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 21, 2013 12:28 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: AllenG
Thats' kind of implicit in his statement that you cannot legislate a country into total safety.
Further, it is the point. Sane people do not commit the handful of mass murders in the US.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 21, 2013 12:28 PM (UCv7P)
http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/G-23_Paxilon_Hydrochlorate
Posted by: Biff at March 21, 2013 12:28 PM (qo244)
"We're talking about millions of kids dying — being shot down by assault weapons"
You know, shoot a few hundred thousand here, a few hundred thousand there, and pretty soon they begin to add up.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 21, 2013 12:29 PM (XUKZU)
THIS is the opportunity to capture the white union voter.
And if they can lock that up, the dems had better watch the fuck out.
What are they doing about it. I'm joining my local political organization this week and will start volunteering.
Get off our asses, get off this blog, and let's go DO IT!!!!
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 21, 2013 12:29 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Whatev at March 21, 2013 12:29 PM (A7Wh1)
"Mikutel explained that Connecticut doesn’t want "to go down that road" [totalitarian society and gun control, essentially] and so it makes lawmakers’ job more “difficult.”
This was telling, I thought. He discusses tyranny as an option, a "road" they could take, as opposed to the more "difficult" work of operating within the Constitution.
Posted by: rrpjr at March 21, 2013 12:30 PM (UADCx)
Good, now give me all your womens, childrens and wallets and I will make sure nuthin bad happens to ya!
Good, now drop your drawers and bend over, nuthin Bad, bad will happen to ya!
Posted by: Big Govt Safety Program at March 21, 2013 12:30 PM (vXqv3)
Posted by: Witchfinder at March 21, 2013 12:30 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 21, 2013 12:31 PM (GcwH1)
Women(many of them) and left wing men will never comprehend this statement.
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2013 12:31 PM (9XBK2)
What I wish he'd have brought up was that the current laws WORKED! Lanza was.not.able.to.purchase.a.gun. He tried and was denied. More laws will do nothing to stop batshit crazies and criminals....because they are BATSHIT CRAZY AND CRIMINALS! They will find a way, like Lanza did. His mother legally owned the guns. Now you can argue all day that it was her fault for not having her son committed....but that's a different subject.
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 21, 2013 12:31 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:31 PM (xN73L)
***
You mean like when Obama got elected?
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 21, 2013 12:31 PM (XUKZU)
Cracking down on rogue gun dealers? Criminals?
Gun Trafficking is already AGAINST THE LAW, dipshit. And criminals are called criminals because they BROKE THE LAW. So, law ENFORCEMENT is the answer? Then WHY do you continually try to pass NEW ones when you can't enforce the ones already on the books?
MY GOD it scares me when politicians speak.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 12:31 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 12:32 PM (GFM2b)
I meant to say "when we're FINALLY in a dictatorship" but the wingnut cut me off.
Posted by: Rep. Steve Mikutel (D-rooling over the prospect) at March 21, 2013 12:32 PM (WCe8r)
Posted by: rrpjr at March 21, 2013 12:32 PM (UADCx)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 12:32 PM (9Bj8R)
Anytime a public official goes bad the tax payers pay. Anytime a rabid animal kills a bunch of people gun owners AND taxpayers. All that while the rabid animal walks.
It also goes back to something I have long said. Apply the 100 year rule. What would they have done 100 years ago in 1913?
The Ft Hood shooter would already be a bloated totted corpse in Potter's Field and so would the Colorado shooters.
Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2013 12:33 PM (53z96)
Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 21, 2013 12:33 PM (vzLhi)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 21, 2013 12:33 PM (4cRnj)
>>>>Translate what Mr. Steed said into Dumbese and maybe we'll have something with political value.
Being done right.now.as.we.speak
Boehner said he's gonna use this as his "Sista Soulja" moment. Whatever that is.
/developing
Posted by: Bigby's Uptwinkles at March 21, 2013 12:34 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 21, 2013 12:35 PM (i7B17)
In Maryland an apple court sided with Govt. in ability to deny citizens concealed carry permit absent "a good reason":
http://tinyurl.com/cql3tmm
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 21, 2013 12:35 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Big Govt Safety Program at March 21, 2013 12:36 PM (vXqv3)
Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 21, 2013 12:36 PM (ZgBZU)
Posted by: AllenG
Not really. It only illustrates the self-defeating efforts to 'forbid' violence. To even attempt at locking down the mentally ill and taking away any potential for mass shootings would necessarily destroy the basic liberties of all free people.
Rather than a call for locking up the 'crazies,' he's merely saying 'get back to us after you've solved the problem with the mental ill, aka never.'
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 21, 2013 12:36 PM (UCv7P)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:36 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: CheChe v.7.0 at March 21, 2013 12:36 PM (feFL6)
However, there is a big difference between insanity and the insanity defense. Just because someone is insane it doesn't mean they can not be tried, convicted, and fried like a side of bacon.
Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2013 12:36 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 21, 2013 12:36 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: RamonAllones at March 21, 2013 12:37 PM (3lLli)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 21, 2013 12:37 PM (XYSwB)
We know better than you!
You do not need those evil icky, scary guns!
You do not need to smoke tobacco, you should smoke grass instead.
Sex should be free of inhibitions, and abortion, gonorrhea, syphilis and AIDS are no reason to inhibit your sexual behavios.
20 oz Soft Drinks are evil, and we will prevent you from imbibing them.
So what if the Black Unemployment is 15% and 50% for Black teens, they can steal , or go sell drugs and kill their competition instead.
We are Liberal, we have the best of intentions, and we have screwed up this nation better than ever! CLOWARD-PIVEN FOR ALL!!!
Posted by: Liberal Do-Gooders at March 21, 2013 12:37 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:37 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: SurferDoc at March 21, 2013 12:38 PM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 04:36 PM (xN73L)
They would likely consider that a threat and make your life disappear shortly after receipt.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 12:38 PM (xmcEQ)
Maryland Attorney General Douglas F. Gansler cheered the opinion. “The idea is to make sure guns are in the hands of responsible people, and not just anybody who wants to tote a gun in public,” Gansler said. “This was one of those cases where a middle ground was found.”
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"Middle ground." Like the word "balance", this is one of those tip-offs that the speaker doesn't take the Amendment at issue seriously.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 21, 2013 12:39 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:39 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 21, 2013 12:40 PM (j3uk1)
Again it never would occur to some of these lawmakers that one of the possible "solutions" is to allow concealed carry by teachers. Even with a double lock system and training.
The principal and another teacher rushed the killer at Newtown with nothing in their hands to try to stop him. They are dead.
Posted by: Reviving a Meme at March 21, 2013 12:41 PM (IY7Ir)
Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2013 04:36 PM
Define insanity, read the Koran, and I think you'll find "Islam" in there. As far as the shitheel goes, he tried to plead guilty to premeditated murder. His handlers are trying to play him as nuts.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at March 21, 2013 12:41 PM (bGlsD)
Posted by: AllenG
Which part of the political spectrum is more likely to jump to the defense of the mentally ill and excuse their actions?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 21, 2013 12:42 PM (UCv7P)
Posted by: SurferDoc at March 21, 2013 12:42 PM (6H6FZ)
There should be NO negotiation at all. It should be no new gun control laws period, now and forever. If they want to "compromise" they can say make us an offer on what new law you want and what old law you are ready to repeal. Like allowing ATF to decide which weapons can be made illegal without input from anyone.
Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2013 12:42 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 12:42 PM (4Mv1T)
The original point is that angry people won't shoot people if they know they're going to get shot before they can cause much harm. You gotta be real far gone, and in that case, you'll get put out of your misery quick. Much cheaper and more humane than our death row system.
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 12:42 PM (El+h4)
Posted by: Ian S. at March 21, 2013 12:42 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Liberal Do-Gooders
***
Saw the whole article and they did just ignore him.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 12:42 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 12:43 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 12:43 PM (9Bj8R)
It's boss politics. The Irish were into it, and the just-blue side of the democrats has that flavor. We need to take it back.
Listen to this, it's about the Poet W.B.Yeats, but Bowden can't help but tell us all about Irish politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc742eMoTGY
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 12:44 PM (El+h4)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 04:42 PM (4Mv1T)
A big fucking payday, that's how.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 12:44 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Biff at March 21, 2013 12:44 PM (qo244)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:44 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 12:45 PM (uhftQ)
Point of order.
There's no such thing as a leftist man. There are, however, leftist males.
A man doesn't look to Daddy Government to fulfill their every need, want and desire.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 21, 2013 12:45 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 21, 2013 12:46 PM (/eLjI)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:46 PM (xN73L)
Steed has a good point. These wack job mass murdering psycho assholes want FAME. The media is irresponsible in giving them fame. Talk all they want to about them, but do not use their names.
Call them things like the screwed up Aurora Theaters shooter, the wack job in the Arizona Parking lot, the pathetic dweeb that kills children, etc.
Make them anonymous and take away their motivation. The mass murder violence will STOP.
Posted by: rd at March 21, 2013 12:47 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 21, 2013 12:47 PM (j2lYi)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 21, 2013 12:48 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Concealedkerry or SubMitt at March 21, 2013 12:49 PM (vXqv3)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 12:49 PM (GFM2b)
Terra-bile accidents, fer sure.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at March 21, 2013 12:50 PM (bGlsD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 12:50 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: SurferDoc at March 21, 2013 12:50 PM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 04:49 PM (GFM2b)
Sorry, but I like the landing strip.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 12:51 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:51 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 12:51 PM (9Bj8R)
A good ole boy, who also happens to be the president
of a Teamsters Local drove three hours to buy a nice old shotgun from
me last Friday. When I learned who he was before he drove here, I
thought about not selling it to him. What a really great guy he turned
out to be, besides of course, who he likely voted for. I don't know how
he, and others like him, can stand TFG. Just can't understand it.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 04:42 PM (4Mv1T)
You realize you sold that gun to a Felon, don't you. the president
of a Teamsters Local --- He may not have been convicted, but he has likely committed more than one felony in the past few years.
Posted by: rd at March 21, 2013 12:52 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godziila at March 21, 2013 12:53 PM (FWmTq)
Well when they only watch CNN and worse MSNBC, they'd never know
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 04:50 PM (9Bj8R)
And they have soared IN Newtown.
Posted by: Tami [/i] at March 21, 2013 12:53 PM (X6akg)
Yeah baby.
Fixed.
Posted by: rickb223
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Yes, it looks like a baby's.....
Landing strip please.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 12:54 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 12:54 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 12:54 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: AllenG
You don't win political arguments by ignoring the opposition's hypocrisy or double-standards.
Rule 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 21, 2013 12:54 PM (UCv7P)
2A affirms my right to keep and bear. If any individual chooses NOT to exercise that right there is no prohibition against it.
The opposite also holds true.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 21, 2013 12:55 PM (SAMxH)
rd: yes yes and yes. These stories are why leftists are so frigging scared of doing anything.
Remember 1994. You know, when the GOP retook the fucking congress for the first time since the Great fucking Depression.
what happened then. hmmmm. stupid gun control and stupid socialist healthcare proposals.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. deep thoughts here.
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 21, 2013 12:55 PM (tVTLU)
As one commenter at youtube noted, they have no problem painting gun owners with a broad brush.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at March 21, 2013 12:55 PM (bGlsD)
And actually I would argue that the only way you can be truly sure you still have liberty is via the occasional grotesquely stupid and even tragic act. A society where no one can do anything stupid or evil may or may not be a more pleasant one but it is most definitely not a free society.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 21, 2013 12:57 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 12:57 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Politicians circular logic at March 21, 2013 12:57 PM (lZBBB)
I get more absolutist (if that's possible) by the day as I see these leftist attempt their confiscation.
There should be no firearms laws whatsoever for a person who is not incarcerated. No licensing, no registration, no passing tests, no fees, conceal carry allowed by right, unconcealed carry allowed by right etc etc.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 21, 2013 12:57 PM (IY7Ir)
Posted by: zsasz at March 21, 2013 12:58 PM (MMC8r)
No, I do not realize that. And I don't think I like the insinuation. Beyond that, it is a 16ga bird gun. Don't expect he'll be dispatching any of his political enemies with it
I live in NC. We have very little of unions here, and I've worked in an around big industry for 30 years, so call me naive.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 12:59 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: jb at March 21, 2013 12:59 PM (E4449)
North Korea, that's where. Posted by: zsasz at March 21, 2013 04:58 PM
That's because the military can't afford ammunition.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at March 21, 2013 12:59 PM (bGlsD)
The opposite also holds true.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 21, 2013 04:55 PM (SAMxH)
Unless you are drafted.... oh.... wait...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 21, 2013 12:59 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 21, 2013 04:20 PM (tVTLU)
There would be a huge campaign if the Republican Party Establishment and its highly paid consultants actually knew what they were doing. They're tone-deaf, clueless, convinced they'll finally capture the moderate middle if they can successfully portray the GOP as harmless and likeable, a zombie Jimmy Stewart.
Pathetic.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2013 12:59 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 12:59 PM (9Bj8R)
113 Steed has a good point. These wack job mass murdering psycho assholes want FAME. The media is irresponsible in giving them fame. Talk all they want to about them, but do not use their names.
Call them things like the screwed up Aurora Theaters shooter, the wack job in the Arizona Parking lot, the pathetic dweeb that kills children, etc.
Make them anonymous and take away their motivation. The mass murder violence will STOP.
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Well yeah...that's part of it.
But the Left has made Evil...cool.
It's not just the media giving Fame to these whack jobs...it's the whole Media/Entertainment complex that has blurred the lines between good and evil.
Where do these whack jobs get the 'idea' in the first place, that going on a killing spree is something cool to do?
They see it in movies, tv shows, etc.
Then, they see the media attention that these other whack jobs get.
So it's all connected...it's a bigger problem than just the media attention.
Posted by: wheatie at March 21, 2013 12:59 PM (UMBJ2)
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 01:00 PM (El+h4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 01:00 PM (9Bj8R)
Yes, First what jobs need to be done. Rabbit, Pheasant, Deer, duck... hunting covers many calibers in the gun toolbox. Next random attack defense which may be covered by one already in the toolbox or you want a specific tool like a crowfoot to use. Then higher capacity stuff used mostly for fun but also lends itself to protection from groups (rare yes but so is replacing that part on your car that requires one). Just like a 15/16ths inch wrench could be outlawed and 90% of people wouldn't notice If that's the tool you need to get the job done it's the one you will notice if it is not in the box.
Posted by: Biff at March 21, 2013 01:01 PM (qo244)
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 01:01 PM (W0dfN)
Posted by: Michele Obama's Landing Strip at March 21, 2013 04:54 PM (W0dfN)
I just poo'd a little.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 01:01 PM (xmcEQ)
Or "smart diplomacy"?
Or "fairness"?
Take your "firearm justice" and shove it straight up your ass!
Posted by: gastorgrab at March 21, 2013 01:01 PM (FX38i)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 01:01 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 21, 2013 01:02 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 01:03 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 01:03 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 01:04 PM (El+h4)
But, honestly, wouldn't everything be better with a Ric Flair "Whoo!" at the end?
There's a Pork Canon / Hot Tub joke to be had here, if anyone wants it.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 01:04 PM (W0dfN)
By chance I was able to buy a 100 pack white box of 9mm and 45 when I stopped by an Academy at lunch for the purposes of picking up something else. They let you only buy one box each but at least I can go to the range now if I want. The prices were pre-panic price so that was good. No .22 lr though which sucks.
And yes that was a great defense and as someone said above. The broad brush retort was awesome.
Posted by: polynikes at March 21, 2013 01:05 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 05:04 PM (W0dfN)
Ironsides? Oh....that was Frank Canon....I'm sorry.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 01:05 PM (xmcEQ)
The left thru psychiatry started the meme that alcoholism is a disease instead of an addiction. It allows them to make alcoholics victims. Same thing with drug addiction. Tearing it appart from the inside.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 01:05 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Icedog at March 21, 2013 01:06 PM (9ScGj)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 01:06 PM (xN73L)
"Honey, I've been banging my tennis instructor. Whoo!"
"Hey, hon, I'm just calling to say I got laid off today. Whoo!"
"Stupid f*cking McDonald's got my order wrong. Whoo!"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 05:06 PM (xN73L)
It really must be saved for special occasions to prevent burnout.
Your first one, yes. Special occasion. Going to the well too often will lessen the impact when REALLY needed.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 01:08 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2013 01:08 PM (/i3Yt)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 21, 2013 01:09 PM (iKtyx)
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 01:09 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:10 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 21, 2013 01:10 PM (j2lYi)
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 05:05 PM (uhftQ)
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2013 01:10 PM (vtiE6)
The little fat guy red faced guy at the end of the row still doesn't get it.
Posted by: Dang at March 21, 2013 01:10 PM (R18D0)
547 dead, 476 hurt in mass shootings since 1983
http://tinyurl.com/cl6ulb2
Selected excerpts:
"FBI figures show that guns were used to kill 8,583 people in 2011 alone."
"Of the 78 mass shootings CRS identified since 1983, 26 occurred “at workplaces where the shooter was employed either at the time of the incident or prior to it.” Twelve public mass shootings occurred in an educational setting, CRS found."
Eventually, the politicians will have to listen to government reports ...
Posted by: Arbalest
***
Well, the dems are trying to save people from workplace shootings by making sure as many people as possible are unemployed.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 01:11 PM (uhftQ)
He's not a "Felon" if he hasn't been convicted. You ruined my fucking afternoon with your idiotic insinutation. Don't suggest in a public forum that someone has done something illegal (me, OR him) when you have no fucking idea.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 01:11 PM (4Mv1T)
160 Interesting, the whole 'evil as cool' thing is a side effect of the Left's attempt to undermine and redirect the heroic, which is pretty much a right wing thing. They attempt to create a leftish hero fighting against a rightish enemy; but the result is actually you get a lot of cool villains and lame heroes. Perhaps the final effect is people think of villainy as cool, (and I mean, more than the usual, perhaps) and those on the edge of mental illness begin to see it as a path of transcendence.
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Actors didn't used to want to play 'villain' roles.
They knew it could damage their careers, permanently...and keep them from ever being cast in 'good guy' roles.
Now, actors are encouraged to do a few 'villain' roles...and are even applauded for how well they portrayed the evilness.
We now have Evil as an 'art form'.
And we are seeing the result of this.
Posted by: wheatie at March 21, 2013 01:11 PM (UMBJ2)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 21, 2013 05:09 PM
Ban jobs.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at March 21, 2013 01:11 PM (bGlsD)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:12 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: waldo at March 21, 2013 01:13 PM (PP8La)
North Korea, that's where. Posted by: zsasz
Yeah, if the government holds a gun on you and forces you to starve to death, it's technically not a gun crime.
Posted by: Dang at March 21, 2013 01:13 PM (R18D0)
I'll send the e-mail explaining how a constitutional republic functions but just thought I'd give the horde first shot
Posted by: tangonine at March 21, 2013 01:14 PM (x3YFz)
As I recall, AA and the 12 step is a way to get people unable to take responsibility for their addiction to take responsibility for it. It uses a 'higher power' to do this, and by its history this power is unambiguously the Christian God.
It is possible for the state to substitute itself in that role; but it will be very, very insane.
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 01:15 PM (El+h4)
547 dead, 476 hurt in mass shootings since 1983
I wonder how many deaths were caused by drunk driving illegal aliens in the last 30 years?
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 01:15 PM (6fJmD)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 01:17 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Bloomberg at March 21, 2013 01:17 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at March 21, 2013 01:17 PM (X3xYu)
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 05:15 PM (6fJmD)
Because SHUT UP!!!! That's why.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 01:17 PM (xmcEQ)
I wonder how many deaths were caused by drunk driving illegal aliens in the last 30 years?
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 05:15 PM (6fJmD)
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Multiply by at least 20
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2013 01:18 PM (/i3Yt)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:19 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Gabby Giffords at March 21, 2013 01:20 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 01:20 PM (9Bj8R)
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According to Wikipedia (so you know that's right) we suffer forty to fifty lightning deaths per year. In the thirty years since 1983 that would be about 1350 deaths.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 21, 2013 01:20 PM (XUKZU)
I wonder how many deaths were caused by drunk driving illegal aliens in the last 30 years?
Posted by: garrett
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I just saw where it's anwhere from a few thousand to 4000+ a year.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 01:20 PM (uhftQ)
Get off our asses, get off this blog, and let's go DO IT!!!!
Ahem. Link in sig.
I didn't get a Whoo! outta those guys.
Posted by: Ric Flair at March 21, 2013 01:20 PM (6fJmD)
547 dead, 476 hurt in mass shootings since 1983
I wonder how many deaths were caused by drunk driving illegal aliens in the last 30 years?
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 05:15 PM (6fJmD)
How many of those were by the evil assault rifle.
I think if you look up the number of deaths from ATVs and waterskis that you will see more children killed on those 'unnecessary' vehicles than from any 'unecessary' 'assault' rifle.
In fact one of the mass killings was done by an evil deer rifle in Wisconsin.
Posted by: polynikes at March 21, 2013 01:22 PM (m2CN7)
According to Wikipedia (so you know that's right) we suffer forty to fifty lightning deaths per year. In the thirty years since 1983 that would be about 1350 deaths.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 21, 2013 05:20 PM (XUKZU)
That settles it. For the sake of humanity, we all need to commit suicide and get on the Halebop comet, or whatever it was called. Earth is just not safe enough.
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 01:22 PM (xmcEQ)
I don't think the GOP is aware of the current 2A fight. They're too busy trying to figure out new positions to get new voters.
And the NRA needs to hire Steed to write Wayne La P's speeches.
Posted by: ExSnipe at March 21, 2013 01:22 PM (PBm/l)
I just saw where it's anwhere from a few thousand to 4000+ a year.
There should be a law!
...or two.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2013 01:22 PM (6fJmD)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:23 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2013 04:15 PM (53z96)
evidently not.
Posted by: tangonine at March 21, 2013 01:23 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:24 PM (I2LwF)
http://tinyurl.com/d2eejoh
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 21, 2013 01:24 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 05:15 PM (El+h4)
The 'Higher Power' referred to in the Big Book of AA is not 'unambiguously the Christian God', although most of the founding members were Christians. One's Higher Power is a matter of personal preference. The term used among drunks trying to stay sober is 'the God of your understanding'. Creed is irrelevant.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2013 01:25 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2013 01:25 PM (/i3Yt)
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2013 01:25 PM (tOkJB)
If you haven't seen it in a while...I highly recommend watching 'The Dead Pool'.
The movie was prophetic.
It was Eastwood's last Dirty Harry film.
It shows all the themes that we are talking about today.
A very young Liam Neesom plays a slasher-film maker.
The serial killer that Eastwood is looking for, is a whacko who "slipped through the cracks" of the new mental health system...and is obsessed with reenacting the gory killings in Neesom's movies.
Posted by: Automobiles at March 21, 2013 01:26 PM (UMBJ2)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 01:26 PM (R6P8e)
Posted by: zsasz at March 21, 2013 01:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 05:11 PM (4Mv1T)
Sorry, this was a bad attempt at humor.
Posted by: rd at March 21, 2013 01:28 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: zsasz at March 21, 2013 01:28 PM (MMC8r)
Like when I was mortally wounded.
Posted by: Gabby Giffords at March 21, 2013 05:20 PM (tOkJB)
>>>
Sir Biden Lancelot: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
Gabby Concorde Giffords: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through, sir.
Sir Biden Lancelot: Oh, I see.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 21, 2013 01:28 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Kip at March 21, 2013 01:28 PM (06lNq)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:29 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 21, 2013 01:30 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 01:30 PM (R6P8e)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
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Nope.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 21, 2013 01:31 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 01:32 PM (9Bj8R)
Why, so they can explode?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 05:32 PM (9Bj8R)
Homophobe!!!!!
oh...wait....wrong narrative.......
Posted by: © Sponge at March 21, 2013 01:33 PM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:34 PM (I2LwF)
219 Adam Lanza means we should ban all assault weapons, but Kermit Gosnell doesn't mean we should ban late-term abortions.
This is...brilliant.
Really.
This needs to be shouted, repeatedly.
Posted by: wheatie at March 21, 2013 01:34 PM (UMBJ2)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2013 01:35 PM (R6P8e)
Why, so they can explode?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Well played, sir. Well played. *golf clap*
Posted by: Dang at March 21, 2013 01:35 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 01:36 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2013 01:36 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 21, 2013 01:38 PM (I2LwF)
Governor Malloy has an "appearance" tonight here in Norwich, CT at 1900 at City Hall. The same City Hall were he spoke 2 years ago about his revenue increases and that crowd was so big the Fire Marshall shut it down temporarily and made people leave, severly limiting the number of people allowed into City hall and able to speak.
There is a nice school down the street with a huge audotorium that would have been very nice, but somehow that was not looked at.
Why do you think he wanted to go to the same place to discuss his insane proposals about gun control? It couldnt be that the whole thing will get shut down again before more than a few people can speak would it? Nah, that couldn't be it.
Posted by: Johnnyreb at March 21, 2013 01:38 PM (b5bVT)
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2013 05:25 PM (vtiE6)
As an alcoholic I'll tell you it's just about being accountable to someone/something.
And yeah there's a lot of us alcoholics. I fucking love beer. not a violent guy, never drove drunk and I'm a happy drunk but.... livers don't give a shit about reasons they just tend to fail if you overwhelm them so you kinda need to not do that. It doesn't end well.
Posted by: tangonine at March 21, 2013 01:47 PM (x3YFz)
The reality is the state can't replace the role of the higher power - not in any meaningful sense. Consider the level of cronyism in police states, the level of theft, graft, etc, etc. The higher power is always present; you're never really un-accountable. The state can pretend it can do this, but everyone eventually figures out when its not watching, and probably also resents its oversight (as opposed to the oversight of a good spiritual father or the 'Higher Power'.)
(I still maintain this is the Christian God, but hey, I'm a Christian.)
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 02:02 PM (El+h4)
Posted by: RiverC at March 21, 2013 06:02 PM (El+h4)
You and me both. I'm a physicist and the more I learn, the more my faith is reinforced. I just don't quite get how every scientist isn't religious. How can you not?
Here's this (just a quick note): every electron in the universe is exactly the same as every other electron in the universe. No variance. No evolution, no "odd" electrons, no "wasn't quite an electron" electons. They're all perfectly, precisely, the same. They don't vary in charge or mass or anything else, not even by a little bit.
If you're not getting the ramifications of billions of galaxies made up of trillions (10^24) of electrons that are all perfectly the same? You're missing the point.
It's by design.
Posted by: tangonine at March 21, 2013 02:27 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 21, 2013 02:33 PM (4Mv1T)
This Steed guy, who'd have thought such a great guy could come out of Vernon, CT. I have been keeping my friend up on all the latest, I sent him the linky to the video of this guy. He's a gun club preezy and an FFL. He's been at the State House almost every day with a bunch of gun club guys talking to the legislators.
The story out there is that if Malloy can get a really tough gun legislation passed in CT it can be used all around the country and Malloy was promised a cabinet position in Obama's cabinet if he can make it happen. Since Malloy knows he won't get re-elected in CT (he's pissed off all the State union workers and everyone else for that matter), he doesn't have much to lose.
Posted by: Jaimo at March 21, 2013 02:33 PM (rNR/C)
Posted by: CJ John Roberts at March 21, 2013 02:51 PM (sQg8D)
Posted by: 2nd grader at March 21, 2013 04:54 PM (51moJ)
And, anytime Newtown is brought up, we should be asking why we are passing laws when we don't even have an official report on what happened there. There's no reason for it to take this long. It didn't after Columbine. They are holding it up and stalling, trying to buy time to pass laws on something that is being covered up. We should call them on it.
Posted by: notsothoreau at March 21, 2013 05:28 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: vivi at March 21, 2013 06:46 PM (m2oDh)
Anybody else notice that? Sounded a lot like committee-guy thought a dictatorship would work just fine to solve the problem, and be free from abuse besides. The only problem is this inconvenient constitutional democracy, which prevents us from doing this other thing. Make a law, spin up a department and voila - nothing bad ever happens. Certainly, nobody's been killed using guns in any gun free zones recently. Problem solved.
*This* is the problem. We have a bunch of would-be overlords who think know better, if only we'd do what we're told, and let them do as they like - with the best of intentions, which makes it all OK, apparently. And it might be OK - free of costs for them. David Gregory can wave around a banned magazine on TV, on purpose, after making sure it was illegal without getting prosecuted. Meanwhile Emily can't get a gun for months, and veterans get hit with the book if they innocently slip up.
Dictatorships aren't a problem for the folks running the place, or their friends.
It also might be OK if you sit in a committee room wearing a suit, so stuff that gets whitewashed into "justified shooting", "accidental death" etc. doesn't count. Our program works just fine - there's more people dead but none of them were murdered. Winning!
"You can't find a broad-brush solution to evil." *also* means that evil will take up residence in any broad-brush programs within the government. So, who watches the watchers?
Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 25, 2013 01:18 PM (+vv9T)
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