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September 26, 2013

Failed President Somehow Clings to 43% Support, With 49% Opposing
— Ace

Per the media, 49% of the country must be animated by racism.

What else could explain their willingness to deem a failure a failure?

Of course I'd ask who is it who's animated by racial considerations? Refusing to admit that a Black President is a failure, despite his being a failure, is plainly animated by racial condescension.

You know what this means, don't you? Obama Interview on Sunday Night Football.

Ed Morrissey looks at more questions and analyses these ~~worrisome~~ bonersome trends.

Over at the Guardian, of all places, a guy named Harry J. Enten revisits the mythology that has grown out of the 1996 government shutdown and finds that most of what we think we know about it is wrong.

This jibes with my basic belief about the behavior of LIVs. Per the Conventional Wisdom, LIVs suddenly became intensely interested in Inside Baseball Partisan Squabbling and, uncharacteristic for them, formed very firm opinions as to who was right and who was wrong.

My gut instinct would usually be that LIVs do not become incensed by the things partisans do, but instead are swayed by very macro considerations like the economy and whether the networks are satisfying them with Quality Programming.

That's what Enten suggests, minus the part about TJ Hooker.

But even if the polling today did look like 1995-96, I would argue that this looming shutdown will offer nowhere such a clear win for Obama and the Democrats as it did for Clinton....
You would have expected Congress to see a steep decline in 1995-1996 because of the budget shutdown, but that simply didn't happen....
Clinton's approval rating just after the shutdowns was, if anything, slightly lower than before it. In other words, he really didn't win much in terms of his standing. He didn't gain ground in his approval rating, and didn't lose less than Congress.
Clinton's major increase in presidential approval occurred in the months after the shutdown. Those ratings corresponded very well with a major increase, also, in congressional approval. That's not surprising, given that both approval ratings tend to move in unison with one another. Congressional and presidential approval in this case moved up Â– because the economy was improving.

His thesis isn't that Bill Clinton didn't "win" the political battle. He says immediately that Clinton did win it.

His point is that "winning" this particular battle barely touched the polls. Like most Inside Baseball squabbles, the LIVs largely did not care. What they cared about was the economy.

Posted by: Ace at 08:27 AM | Comments (184)
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1 Not first?

Posted by: ButwhaddaIknow? at September 26, 2013 08:29 AM (5aT64)

2
So.... the conclusion is. . . . .???? . . . . .shut her down. . . ?????

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (nELVU)

3 Take out the 13% (they say) black population, and it's 30. Duh.

Posted by: Lt t26 at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (zO5r4)

4 Congressional and presidential approval in this case moved up Â– because the economy was improving.

Well we know that's not going to happen this time.

Posted by: RobD at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (sV3Dv)

5 Dot Com baby

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (R8hU8)

6 #6 See #3

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 26, 2013 08:31 AM (R8hU8)

7 Even with the MBM spinning like a carnival ride, they just can't push Barry over the hump.

Posted by: huerfano at September 26, 2013 08:32 AM (bAGA/)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (/PCJa)

9 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (/PCJa)

10 We are all racists now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (DmNpO)

11 Considering that all the government payouts still get sent out during a shutdown, I'm not sure how the average person would even notice a shutdown. I'm also inclined to think that if people don't notice a shutdown, it might make them wonder what the H-E-double hockeysticks the government does when fully up and running.

Posted by: shillelagh at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (hRzu2)

12 And I often wonder what his approval rating would be if not for the very strong support he has among his African-American supporters. Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 26, 2013 12:31 PM (OWjjx) Wonder? is not the word. We all know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 26, 2013 08:33 AM (1RQeV)

Polls aren't black and white

I denounce my self .....Raycissssss !

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (nTgAI)

14 There is a core of maybe 42 percent that deems him awesome no matter fricking what. Yoots, blacks, elites, gummint workers, etc.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (5J7wu)

15 >>Even with the MBM spinning like a carnival ride, they just can't push Barry over the hump. I keep saying this but wait until it becomes obvious that nothing they can do will save him. They will turn on him to save themselves and then it will get real ugly.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (g1DWB)

16 43%= 25% hard core left, 18% blithering idiots

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (1RQeV)

17 The Bradley Effect. No way Teh JEF is at 43%. Probably closer to 33%.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (32Ze2)

18 I took this long to get to 43% with the mfm protecting their boyfriend. A republican president would have been in single digits with no second term.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (mETGQ)

19 Wonder? is not the word. We all know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 26, 2013 12:33 PM (1RQeV)

Even if Black America supported him at the same level as the other idiot Democrat constituency, the Jews, his support would be below 40%

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (gqgiP)

20 The 40% bullshit must be built in the polls. There's no fucking way it should be still that high.

Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (GQ8sn)

21 Beck's radio bit about Harry Reid was pretty funny. Beck's funniest bits are usually these radio bits with his the two other guys on his show. It's a bit of morning radio schtick, but aimed at Harry Reid. They just play Reid's audio from the other day over and over while wondering if he's had a stroke or has alzheimer's as Harry stutter mumbles about how, even though he's old now, he still likes ... food.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (ZPrif)

22 They will turn on him to save themselves and then it will get real ugly.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 12:34 PM (g1DWB)

-- They are too invested in him to declare him a failure

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (R8hU8)

23 I want to know what L'il Pissy Chrissy Matthews thinks about this.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 26, 2013 08:36 AM (18xby)

It is really interesting considering what a floor might be for Obama's approval. My guess would be somewhere in the mid to high 30s.

I figure the 12 or 13% of the population that are African American will never leave Obama, so the rest are made up of the hardcore partisan left. I figure that number to be somewhere in the mid 20s. In short, I figure Obama may be as little as 5 or 6% from being at his absolute possible low...

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 26, 2013 08:36 AM (t06LC)

25 I took this long to get to 43% with the mfm protecting their boyfriend. A republican president would have been in single digits with no second term.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 26, 2013 12:35 PM (mETGQ)

_______________________

A repuke would have been impeached after Fast and Furious was found out.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 26, 2013 08:36 AM (32Ze2)

26 I don't think I'm racist. His black side is doing fine, it's the white side I'm concerned about. Sorta like the Star Trek episode.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 08:36 AM (U2UQk)

27 The non-shutdown last time was a MFM feeding frenzy. Everything they printed or said about it was a massive lie. But the real kicker was the left leaning Republicans joining the media to oust Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (zZbNF)

28 Clinton also wasn't a lame duck coming out of the shutdown. He was working all the angles to get re-elected (He didn't know the 'Pub's were going to punt on third down with Dole).

Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (CMlD4)

29 I don't know if this has been suggested or not. The Obamacare Exchanges are suppose to open on Oct 1st. A mass call in, aka DOS, to the exchanges might be fun. Not that I am suggesting that, he he. Sounds like something the morons would enjoy.

Posted by: John Smith at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (wR+pz)

30 So who are in the 43% approval group? Blacks are all in, as are white liberals. Where are the rest coming from? LIVs? People afraid to give the "wrong" answer? Can they publish their addresses so I can ask them just what the ever-lovin' fuck they're thinking?

Posted by: joncelli at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (RD7QR)

31 Does it matter? He sucks yet he was re-elected. He's a jackass and members of our own party fawn over him.

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (T0Pku)

Wait... My SNAP card won't work? No service on my Obamaphone?

IMPOTENT RAGE!

Posted by: LIV at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (sOtz/)

33 Yes, yes, I clearly see how expecting a Black President to be held to the same standards as all those lily white Presidents is prima facie evidence of racism. What else could it possibly be?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (6T8Ay)

34 Take out the 13% (they say) black population, and it's 30. Duh.

Posted by: Lt t26 at September 26, 2013 12:30 PM (zO5r4)

Never though about it in that light. That makes it an interesting statistic

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 26, 2013 08:38 AM (nTgAI)

35 If this fucking guy was a cracker, he'd be toast.

Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2013 08:38 AM (Hx2XA)

36 Barack Obama is a clinger??

As a bitter clinger, I take umbrage to your assertions and fart in your general direction!

Good day SIR!

Posted by: dananjcon at September 26, 2013 08:39 AM (wmU4G)

37 I want to get back to this: @ZekeJMiller: Obama mocking GOP: "Affordable health care is worse than a law that allowed slaveowners get their runaway slaves back" Besides being horrifically insulting, what does that mean? Oh noes! The Republicans are opposing affordable health care! Just like they opposed giving runaway slave owners their runaway slaves back! Yeah. Those monsters.

Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 08:39 AM (VtjlW)

38 Even if the GOP didn't face major electoral consequences after the '96 shutdown, what the author fails to note is that almost nothing was gained, either.

It was no skin off Clinton's back to let the shutdown continue, given that the GOP was taking the blame for it. As a result, he didn't have to make any major concessions before Gingrich surrendered.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2013 08:39 AM (SY2Kh)

39 So job rating tracks the economy?

That's probably as good a correlation as any. It's confounded by specific events like wars and BJs in the oval office, but by far the most important thing to most people is their paycheck and their future prospects.

But the big confounding factor with Obama is that he draws more of his support from those who are disconnected from the real economy and receive transfer payments from the government teat. They are either unaware of the larger economy, or just don't care.

That's his bedrock support, and it will never change.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 08:39 AM (gqgiP)

40 Take out the 13% (they say) black population, and it's 30. Duh.
Posted by: Lt t26 at September 26, 2013 12:30 PM (zO5r4)

Then another 10% for the Bradley Effect as noted above and Obama's approval rating is actually 20%.

Feels about right actually.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 26, 2013 08:39 AM (6T8Ay)

41 If LIVs or anyone else in meaningful numbers cared about the economy, they would be screaming for a shutdown.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 26, 2013 08:40 AM (yIZJ3)

42 34 So who are in the 43% approval group? *** You mean besides the Vichy Republicans?

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 26, 2013 08:40 AM (18xby)

43 "IMPOTENT..."

Posted by: LIV at September 26, 2013 12:37 PM (sOtz/)

Thank God for small favors!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (gqgiP)

44 Take out the 13% (they say) black population, and it's 30. Duh.

I clicked on the link (I know, I know) and the press release from the survey doesn't report the sample breakdown by race.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (/kI1Q)

45 The Obamacare Exchanges are suppose to open on Oct 1st.

A mass call in, aka DOS, to the exchanges might be fun.

Posted by: John Smith

The Obamacare rollout is so successful, customers melted the phone lines! It's like the iPhone 5C of health care!

Posted by: Your Media Overlords at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (Hx2XA)

Posted by: John Smith at September 26, 2013 12:37 PM (wR+pz)

"I'm not suggesting a federal crime, but let's hope for one."

Yeah.

Although I submit, the exchanges will be subject to an "unintentional DDOS"

by that I mean, I think enough people will be curious to see what costs are that they're going to get hit big, and (being a government operation) will not be prepared. Then crash.

I'm certainly curious to see what quote I get out of the magic box, and I'm sure others will do the same (even if there intention of signing up is basically nil.)

and AFAIK, it's not illegal to do as such.

Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (GaqMa)

47 >>-- They are too invested in him to declare him a failure Well the MSNBC types are but some of the msm quislings are already bailing if ever so slowly. Noonan no longer thinks he shits ice cream and even Brooks sees the crease fading. Presidents come and go but the msm is forever as long as they look smart to the LIVs. When Barry's stench becomes to obvious to try and cover up they will turn.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (g1DWB)

48 They will turn on him to save themselves and then it will get real ugly. Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 12:34 PM (g1DWB) ******* I think it was Ace that mention that the mfm will never turn on him. I agree with him they'll blame everybody else just like the scoamf does.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (mETGQ)

49 The "public" did not blame the GOP for the shutdown. Most of the public really did not give a shit. The MFM ginned up all that phony concern.

Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (zZbNF)

50 Yep preznit 43% is now going to roll Boehner and McConnell yet AGAIN now that they are pushing their delay plan for Obamacare. Because delay is going to be so much easier than defund when 43% said he wasn't going to negotiate with economic terrorists. Can we just dispense with elections now since republican leadership is so goddamn stupid and half are democrats anyways?

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 08:41 AM (M1gmo)

51 Uh, captain ed. Milquetoast for lunch.

Posted by: NCKate at September 26, 2013 08:42 AM (WtZbx)

52 IIRC, there was a Vermeer exhibit in DC, which I would have gone to save for the rascally Rethuglicons, but I never much go anywhere, plus my tires were bad. I do remember being upset about it though.

Posted by: Baldy at September 26, 2013 08:42 AM (tyDFN)

sted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 12:39 PM (gqgiP)

Well we are below 47% .

Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 08:42 AM (GaqMa)

So who are in the 43% approval group?
------- --- ------------ -------- --------- - ---

John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, this could take a while.

Posted by: LIV at September 26, 2013 08:43 AM (sOtz/)

55 The MFM ginned up all that phony concern.

Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 12:41 PM (zZbNF)

When I think back, I realize that most people just didn't give a rat's ass.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 08:43 AM (gqgiP)

56 that's right, the LIVs didn't care. It took the MSM to 'educate' those LIVS on how Clinton 'won'. Using their quality news organization programming.

Posted by: J. Locke at September 26, 2013 08:43 AM (9RGT+)

57 "There is a core of maybe 42 percent that deems him awesome no matter fricking what. " Nope, the core is much lower than that and we will see it after October.

Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2013 08:43 AM (zD2Z6)

58 That's fine and all.

But John Cornyn and Mitch McConnell say we need a "bi-partisan" bill to repeal Obamacare.

So, there it is gentlemen and ladies: The Hill to Die On. But If and Only If the Democrats Agree to Join Us.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2013 08:43 AM (VjL9S)

59 The Republicans are opposing affordable health care!

Language.

They oppose the Affordable[sic] Care[sic] Act, but do seem to be in favor of affordable health care.

(Although I think most people define "affordable" as "unlimited drugs and procedures for less than I'm paying for cable")

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 08:44 AM (/kI1Q)

60 I approve of Generalissimo President Emporer Obama my friends. Elections have consequences.

Posted by: Juan McCain at September 26, 2013 08:44 AM (t06LC)

61 I was just thinking high information voter and realized why it never caught on.

Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 08:44 AM (sOtz/)

62 Remember the Gingrich that stole Christmas

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 26, 2013 08:45 AM (R8hU8)

63 That's fine and all.

But John Cornyn and Mitch McConnell say we need a "bi-partisan" bill to repeal Obamacare.

How are they wrong?

Republicans don't have enough seats to get such a bill through the Senate without some degree of bi-partisan (Democrat) support.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2013 08:46 AM (SY2Kh)

I'm beginning to think Cruz's speech was part briar patch.

There's no way the democrats can delay or defund now. Seeing as this law is going to meltdown, and now since they can't back down and fully own it, Cruz may have the last laugh yet.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 26, 2013 08:46 AM (t06LC)

65 I do recall Bob Dole sneaking back into DC to slip the knife in Newt's back. Funny how somw things never change.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 26, 2013 08:46 AM (yIZJ3)

66 I keep saying this but wait until it becomes obvious that nothing they can do will save him. They will turn on him to save themselves and then it will get real ugly.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 12:34 PM (g1DWB)
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It won't be long before the MSM starts to lump him in with the Republicans as part of the "dysfunction of Washington" as they kick-off the coronation of Hillary.

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 26, 2013 08:46 AM (OtQXp)

67 "We are all racists now."

I am getting very, very close to the load safety margins on being called a racist by pieces of human shit like Cokie Roberts (see sidebar).

Posted by: Jaws at September 26, 2013 08:46 AM (4I3Uo)

68 I support our President and hope that the extremist republicans don't put me out of my job. I have children to feed.

Posted by: Yellowstone Sleigh Ride Purveyor at September 26, 2013 08:47 AM (32Ze2)

69 I know all you morons are buying popcorn for Tuesday -- the day the BroncoBamaCare train wreck hits. But let me be clear, I'm going to have to accept the Republican plan to delay BroncoBamaCare for a year. It's damned if I do, damned if I don't, but if I don't allow them to delay it, then Unions will team up with Tea Partiers and sweep away my already slender majority once the full scope of this SNAFU hits home. Not my fault, of course, my idea was brilliant, but I had to rely on people who aren't as perfect as me to actually implement it, you see.

If I do allow them to delay it a year, I have a chance of keeping my majority in the Senate, and a chance to keep BroncoBamaCare from imploding (which will set back Socialized Health Care for generations). I'm going to squeal and moan as political theater for my supporters, but, just between you and me, the Republican plan will save my ass. And that's what's important to America.

Posted by: The Almighty Bronco Bama at September 26, 2013 08:47 AM (1I4sj)

70 Reuters IPSOS has him at 39

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 26, 2013 08:47 AM (nTgAI)

71 67 Remember the Gingrich that stole Christmas Yup. All Gingrich was trying to do was slow the rate of future growth. A weak half-measure. And the MFM accused him of trying to kill gramma. Fucking bastards. Fucking treasonous, traitorous bastards.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 26, 2013 08:48 AM (7ObY1)

72 255 Holy crap, you mean...

EoJ = David Frum????

Posted by: EC at September 26, 2013 11:48 AM (GQ8sn)

---------------------------

Or Mark Steyn. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 11:50 AM

No, EoJ is Ricky Roma ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW7WlT6OJxE

Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2013 08:48 AM (/9IC1)

73 69 I'm beginning to think Cruz's speech was part briar patch. There's no way the democrats can delay or defund now. Seeing as this law is going to meltdown, and now since they can't back down and fully own it, Cruz may have the last laugh yet. Posted by: Jollyroger at September 26, 2013 12:46 PM (t06LC) Yep. The republicans should be pushing for a no exemptions amendment with the govt shutdown prevention CR. That would really get the democrats pissy, and some republicans. Incredibly popular with LIV on equality grounds, so don't expect the GOP leadership retards to do anything of the sort.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 08:48 AM (M1gmo)

74 >>It won't be long before the MSM starts to lump him in with the Republicans as part of the "dysfunction of Washington" as they kick-off the coronation of Hillary. That too. I can see the articles that state that it was Hillary who kept Obama's foreign policy so awesome and when she left everything went to shit. But I really think people are misjudging just how bad Obamacare is going to be for Obama and the donks.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 08:48 AM (g1DWB)

75 Most important part of the 96 Govt Shutdown is that when the Gov Employees couldn't work, the interns had to do their jobs. That is what gave Monica Lewinski access to the Oval Office and gave Clinton access to her oval-ries.

Posted by: Rory at September 26, 2013 08:49 AM (IL9gH)

76 (Although I think most people define "affordable" as "unlimited drugs and procedures for less than I'm paying for cable") Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 12:44 PM (/kI1Q) Most people define affordable as free. I can't wait for the caterwauling when people start finding out they have to pay for their own insurance. Also, from what I'm reading, it is going to be physically impossible for the exchange websites to go live and functional on October 1st. Apparently there are places that didn't even order the hardware necessary to handle the implementation until too late for it to be installed in time. Good thing that monkey fucking is now safe because I have a feeling a metric fuckton of Federal and state IT admins are going to be doing just that next week.

Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 08:49 AM (VtjlW)

77 Now, they're starting to feel sorry for the SCOAMF. Emo runs the asylum.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (IXrOn)

78 "The non-shutdown last time was a MFM feeding frenzy. Everything they printed or said about it was a massive lie. But the real kicker was the left leaning Republicans joining the media to oust Newt Gingrich" And Ted Cruz is finding out who they were.

Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (zD2Z6)

79 All this does is show how feckless and impotent the GOP/RNC is. Oblahblah's re-election has to be the most embarrassing political defeat in all of HISTORY!!

Yeah I'm looking at you Dewey!!

Posted by: dananjcon at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (wmU4G)

80 Early August saw Anthony Weiner getting 11% favorable responses in polling. (The vermin response.) Add to that the lockstep single minded black population at 13% and that pops Obama up to 24%. Add in terrorist sympathetic muslims, illegal aliens and pedophiles and he's knockin' around 34%. 9% of "others" afraid to say bad things about the black man? Yeah, that sounds about right.

Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (Hx2XA)

81 Stand with me! Fight with me!

Posted by: John McCain at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (l3vZN)

82 "Remember the Gingrich that stole Christmas" Yes! One of the only Time magazine covers that is forever embedded in my memory.

Posted by: Lauren at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (ELdpj)

83 If it wasn't for the Dot Com boom, Contract with America, sale of part of the SPR and other strategic stockpiles, and the Peace Dividend; then the economy of the 1990s that Clinton used to keep elected would not have been there to keep people happy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 26, 2013 08:51 AM (QidfK)

84 I know, right? What is up with the GOP buying the DNC spin on these things? Like somehow Clinton "won" the shutdown. and therefore we must never ever battle the president again over spending. The shutdown gave Clinton his only victory as president, a year or so of balanced budgets. Something that the donks still brag about, unironically, since it was Newt's doing. Also, if it weren't for some idiot from Texas running as viable-ish third party candidate (and the GOP somehow nominating a hayseed for president in 1996), Clinton would've lost reelection. He never hit 50%. also, there were no reprecussions to the shutdown, like losing the house or whatever. But to this day, the donkeys cheer how they won the shutdown and the GOP cowers in fear of ever going through that process again.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 26, 2013 08:51 AM (QxSug)

85 65 I approve of Generalissimo President Emporer Obama my friends. Elections have consequences. Posted by: Juan McCain at September 26, 2013 12:44 PM

Meggie's tv show is one example of horrible consequences

Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2013 08:51 AM (/9IC1)

86 My 16 year daughter who hates Obama with the fire of the sun the other day was saying how she chouldn't wait to vote for Hillary for president the other day. So, I asked hear why? Her answer was that it was because having a woman president would be "historic". I told her you know that is how we got Obama. She didn't say a word the rest of the night.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 08:51 AM (jShXB)

87 Good thing that monkey fucking is now safe because I have a feeling a metric fuckton of Federal and state IT admins are going to be doing just that next week.

Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 12:49 PM (VtjlW)

Oh great, 10,000 government IT nerds humping monkeys, all at once. Like I needed that image.

Posted by: joncelli at September 26, 2013 08:52 AM (RD7QR)

88 yeah its racism. were all opposed to a white raised WASP -Kenyan with no slave blood who pretends to be an african american because of racism.

Posted by: avi at September 26, 2013 08:52 AM (Ie49R)

89 But I really think people are misjudging just how bad Obamacare is going to be for Obama and the donks. Much as I want to hope you're right, I can't help feeling like the LIVs are going to blame the Repubs for the O-Care meltdown. I know that makes no sense, which is exactly why I fear the LIVs will believe it. The LIVs are always believing shit that's impossible/improbable. With some (MUCH) prodding from the MFM, they'll believe anything.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 26, 2013 08:52 AM (7ObY1)

@87

I will! Let's go to Syria! I will meet you there!

Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 08:52 AM (sOtz/)

91 The Polls! The Polls!
The Trends, The trends!

Panic, Hysteria!

Gather 'round my fellow citizens and let me tell you the story. Step right up close, don't hang back, move in closer so I don't have to shout. We have the best experts, the worlds greatest statisticians. People who have devoted their life to study and who have discovered the truth.

The GOP doesn't need to fear losing because even if they lose, which is unlikely and not predicted by our computer models, they still win!. It's the image, the appearance, the public relations war the GOP wins on principle.

Everybody hates Obamacare. That's why we have to delay it. No one wants it. All we have to do is twerk a few problems, calibrate a few variables, improve the equations that calculate subsidies and everyone wins! We just need more time, until say 2015, when our experts will finally know, with certainty, what's in the bill. Just a few more months and we'll have the regulations finalized, and we can then make the difficult choices that will bring affordable health care to every citizen.

Posted by: Somulent, Cromulent, what's the difference at September 26, 2013 08:52 AM (y0Bds)

92 What is up with the GOP buying the DNC spin on these things? Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence

They can do their job the hard way, or the easy way, and still get paid the same. They're doing the easy way.

Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2013 08:53 AM (Hx2XA)

93 Morning Ace! Apparently your girl Emily was on Fox & Friends, JSYN.

http://video.foxnews.com/
v/2697429032001/
fox-flash-
emily-ratajkowski-/

Posted by: LizLem, who wants to get off this crazy thing at September 26, 2013 08:53 AM (8wqqE)

94 Most people define affordable as free. I can't wait for the caterwauling when people start finding out they have to pay for their own insurance. Also, from what I'm reading, it is going to be physically impossible for the exchange websites to go live and functional on October 1st. Apparently there are places that didn't even order the hardware necessary to handle the implementation until too late for it to be installed in time. Good thing that monkey fucking is now safe because I have a feeling a metric fuckton of Federal and state IT admins are going to be doing just that next week. Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 12:49 PM (VtjlW) The problem is that most lower income individuals will be getting subsidies to cover the cost of their health insurance should they sign up. The kicker though is that although they will have insurance, these imbeciles will now go to the doctor's offices and try to get their "free healthcare" and find that it is not free when they have to meet their 5,000$ deductible before they even get coverage. And THEN it is only 60% covered. They STILL pay 40%.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 08:53 AM (M1gmo)

95 So 49 percent want to make it lawful to take back runaway slaves.

Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 08:53 AM (fWAjv)

96 AlextheChick, when the Exchanges go 'live' is when Syknet awakens.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 26, 2013 08:54 AM (QidfK)

97 My gut instinct would usually be that LIVs do not become incensed by the things partisans do, but instead are swayed by very macro considerations like the economy and whether the networks are satisfying them with Quality Programming.

You mean they come here and skip over Jeff B's comments too?

Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2013 08:54 AM (/9IC1)

98 So, 30% of the country who are hard left.
Plus:
13% who are black.
Means:
43%

And that's who the Republicans are pissing themselves over? Worrying about the only percentage of the country they will never, ever, ever, ever win over?

Given the choice of appealing to 49% of the country or 43% of the country, the Republicans choose . . . the 43%.

You know, I don't mind the moderates (especially here) and the Republicans who keep telling us "We have to appeal to the middle to gain votes."

Except for the whole, "You barely do more than a token effort to appeal to conservatives!"
So, fuck off. Win me--conservatives--first. Then we can negotiate on how much you can do to appeal to the middle.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2013 08:54 AM (VjL9S)

99 Whatever they do.. I hope they DO NOT pass a short CR til November as they have been talking about.

Get it done now and be done with it.. or shut it down...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 26, 2013 08:54 AM (f9c2L)

100 So 49 percent want to make it lawful to take back runaway slaves.

Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 12:53 PM (fWAjv)

That's a joke right? Obama did not say that really?

Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 08:55 AM (sOtz/)

101 But I really think people are misjudging just how bad Obamacare is going to be for Obama and the donks.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 12:48 PM (g1DWB)

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This.

Normally when the Dems create a new entitlement they create a constituency that goes along with. That constituency never gives up their free shit and keeps voting Dem.

With Obamacare.... yeah it'll create some constituency that gets benefits.... but in THIS case.... the law so onerously bones everybody else I agree with JackStraw that its going to create an anti constituency.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 08:55 AM (nELVU)

102 Also, fuck John McCain and Peter King.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 26, 2013 08:56 AM (ZPrif)

103 Pixie..... can I PLEEEAASE have my paragraph breaks back???

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 08:56 AM (nELVU)

104 AlextheChick, when the Exchanges go 'live' is when Syknet awakens. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 26, 2013 12:54 PM (QidfK)

That's the bad news.

The good news is that, because it is designed by liberals, it will never become self-aware.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 26, 2013 08:56 AM (6T8Ay)

105 Oh great, 10,000 government IT nerds humping monkeys, all at once. Like I needed that image.

Posted by: joncelli at September 26, 2013 12:52 PM (RD7QR)

And when they climax, they all shout Hamlet's soliloquy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 08:56 AM (zF6Iw)

106 So, fuck off. Win me--conservatives--first. Then we can negotiate on how much you can do to appeal to the middle.
Posted by: RoyalOil
.............
Of course. But everyone's opinion on how to win conservatives first is where the problem lies.

Pretending to "defund" Obamacare seems to be the consensus around here. But, that's the best you can do.. pretend.. and get all blustery and stuff.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 26, 2013 08:57 AM (f9c2L)

107 Everybody hates Obamacare.

I get afraid this is one of those bubble/echo chamber thingies...seems lots of people don't hate it. The fascist jerk who sits behind me loves it, although he thinks it still leaves too much choice and access for consumers. The ladies in my quilt beelet love it; one thinks Ted Cruz is trying to kill her son, because he'll die without it. I'm sure my brother loves it; paying his own bills cuts into his fun money. Etc.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 08:58 AM (/kI1Q)

108 Look at the Democrats effusive, over-the-top praise for Obamacare.

They are promising free wine, flowers and candy will be part of the deal.

Not only is this a fiscal trainwreck and job killer, but it is increasing premiums and providing substandard care. That's before we get to things like the IRS penalty.

Obamacare is crashing and burning with the greater part of America. That is notwithstanding his lies to the gullible college fanboy audience, which now seems to be his core demographic.

I would say Cruz's strategy has made Democrats not only own it, but they are doubling down. They will rue the day that happened come our next election.

Posted by: Marcus at September 26, 2013 08:58 AM (GGCsk)

109 That's a joke right? Obama did not say that really? Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 12:55 PM (sOtz/) The president took a shot an unnamed Republican who, he says, seems to think that the Affordable Care Act is the most dangerous law ever passed, a pool report claims. This would mean that that certain Republican actually believes Obamacare Â“is worse than a law that allowed slave owners get their runaway slaves back,Â” the president said, according to a Time magazine reporter sending out quotes from the speech. Nope. The ghettofied shithead spoketh it.

Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 08:58 AM (fWAjv)

110 And when they climax, they all shout Hamlet's soliloquy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 12:56 PM (zF6Iw)

I'm thinking few of them make it to "slings and arrows".

Posted by: joncelli at September 26, 2013 08:58 AM (RD7QR)

111 I give up. Look after me & mine, and that is all I can do & all that is left to me. The locusts "won" after all....

Posted by: backhoe at September 26, 2013 08:58 AM (ULH4o)

112 That's a joke right? Obama did not say that really?

Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2013 12:55 PM (sOtz/)

He did. Dicksucker continues to suck dick.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 08:59 AM (zF6Iw)

113 And when they climax, they all shout Hamlet's soliloquy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 12:56 PM (zF6Iw)

-- Or the third act of McBeth

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 26, 2013 08:59 AM (R8hU8)

114

Good thing that monkey fucking is now safe because I have a feeling a metric fuckton of Federal and state IT admins are going to be doing just that next week.
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 12:49 PM (VtjlW)

Hey, Baby!

Posted by: Baboon ready for a little one-on-one at September 26, 2013 08:59 AM (DHQv9)

115 the law so onerously bones everybody else I agree with JackStraw that its going to create an anti constituency.
Posted by: fixerupper
..........
Yup. The libtards all got their hands in the design of this POS and it is a clusterfuck for just about every American. Let it kick in. Young males will be flocking to the Republican party by next year's elections.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 26, 2013 08:59 AM (f9c2L)

116 That President is a bitter clinger

Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 26, 2013 08:59 AM (3ZtZW)

117 This. Normally when the Dems create a new entitlement they create a constituency that goes along with. That constituency never gives up their free shit and keeps voting Dem. With Obamacare.... yeah it'll create some constituency that gets benefits.... but in THIS case.... the law so onerously bones everybody else I agree with JackStraw that its going to create an anti constituency. Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 12:55 PM (nELVU The problem is that it still doesn't give their constituency it all for free. They will have to pay for their healthcare, it is just the "insurance" that will be free. I don't see a constituency forming from that other than blind partisans who were already in the bandwagon anyways.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (M1gmo)

118 If the government shuts down, those guys won't get suits and the GOP will be blamed. Can't let that happen.

Posted by: Gabe Anka at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (LSJmV)

119 Also, from what I'm reading, it is going to be physically impossible for the exchange websites to go live and functional on October 1st. They don't seem to even have the state by state cost data ready to plug into the site. OR, a big OR, they're only saying that because they do not want to give Ted Cruz more ammo. Hmm, believe the government is telling the truth, or lying for political purposes?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (U2UQk)

120 "Am I in time for the 5 o'clock free coke and cock giveaway!!" http://tinyurl.com/nujbw8t (SFW)

Posted by: Obammy Biggums at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (fWAjv)

121

Also, if it weren't for some idiot from Texas running as viable-ish third party candidate (and the GOP somehow nominating a hayseed for president in 1996), Clinton would've lost reelection. He never hit 50%.

That was the true definition of triangulation - getting democrat Ross Perot to run third party to pay Bush 1 back for killing his personal no tax zone in Texas.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (yIZJ3)

122 Judge expresses solidarity with Floyd Corkins' goals in Family Research Council shooting http://tinyurl.com/qb682gj

Judge Roberts formerly worked for the Civil Rights division of the Justice Department : http://tinyurl.com/ljrqfwc

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (qRasw)

123

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 12:58 PM (/kI1Q)

This is my fear -- that enough people are actually helped by it, or at least unaffected by it, that it can survive attempts to destroy it. They create a new constituency, which doesn't care who's paying so long as it's not them.

Posted by: joncelli at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (RD7QR)

124 I shouldn't have left the house today.

Posted by: sticky monkey at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (g+Cz1)

125 Pixie..... can I PLEEEAASE have my paragraph breaks back???

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 12:56 PM (nELVU)

Fuck no, Powered by Minx 0.7 alpha.

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (nTgAI)

126 senator (D)Jeff merkely.
They won't help our President americas president.
Guess he missed ,Obama_ no negotiations I won!

Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (nqBYe)

127 "Take thee to a nunnery!!!" Nah.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 26, 2013 09:01 AM (QidfK)

128 I simply do not believe in any poll taken by the media. CBC news? Nope.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 26, 2013 09:01 AM (a4Omg)

129 >>>Most people define affordable as free. I can't wait for the caterwauling when people start finding out they have to pay for their own insurance. ** A live video feed of Peggy Joseph at the Obamacare customer service counter would be priceless.

Posted by: dananjcon at September 26, 2013 09:01 AM (wmU4G)

130 hey btw did Obama actually write a budget this year ?

Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 09:01 AM (nqBYe)

131 Notice that it is an 'un-named' Republican as well. Making shit up out of thin air again.

Posted by: RWC at September 26, 2013 09:01 AM (fWAjv)

132 Let's not forget, the LIVs already have "free healthcare". It's called the emergency room. Obamacare will screw up their current "free" shit, so they won't be happy with it.

Posted by: John Smith at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (wR+pz)

133 It was no skin off Clinton's back to let the shutdown continue, given that the GOP was taking the blame for it. As a result, he didn't have to make any major concessions before Gingrich surrendered.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2013 12:39 PM (SY2Kh)

==========

So, he didn't sign a massive welfare reform bill in August of 1996?

You know what we keep saying about "fight every single time, even if you lose, because it sets up wins later?"

Yeah.

Got some more history to revise?

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (VjL9S)

134

Which in turn jibes with my memories of the media coverage of The Day the Government Stood Still: video after video of clueless LIV families arriving at national parks and monuments only to find that Â– as was warned for three weeks Â– the park was not opened.

According to the investigative reporter on scene, they were all, directly quoting here, Â“upset.Â”

That repeated for about a week.

Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (9KqcB)

135 >>Also, from what I'm reading, it is going to be physically impossible for the exchange websites to go live and functional on October 1st. My favorite is that the District of Columbia, the mostest Democrat place in America, has already said they won't be starting their exchange on Oct 1. This is going to be a slow rolling train wreck and the donks are either going to have to run supporting this disaster or promising to repeal it. Either way, Obama loses.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (g1DWB)

136

I avoid the racism charge by talking 'bout food becoz lunch nom nom

so look, I'm doing Rouladen over the weekend in the crockpot but was looking around for recipes and found this oddball

http://is.gd/jAN5RR

which is a Cuban Rouladen. Flanksteak, mustard, pickles, onions, bacon, ham and swiss rolled up and served sliced. It doesn't look bad exactly....

Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (3ZtZW)

137 >109 Also, fuck John McCain and Peter King.<

This^.

What is it that makes people in Congress trade principle for a spot on Foxnews to spout their nonsensical ad hominems and tripe.

I am just about done watching Fox also. They have the same worn, tired, contra-intellectual Republicans on ad nauseum spewing their personal view of things which is counter to reality.

Posted by: Marcus at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (GGCsk)

138 Merkely idea of debate, Is give us what i want.

Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 09:03 AM (nqBYe)

139 "The good news is that, because it is designed by liberals, it will never become self-aware." Nice.

Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 09:03 AM (jI23+)

140 President Kool Kat is still hip with the hipsters, Brah, - and dumb women, but mostly, dumb women.

Posted by: Fritz at September 26, 2013 09:04 AM (UzPAd)

141

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at September 26, 2013 12:58 PM (/kI1Q)

Most people I think see Obamacare as a Mixed bag.

They love "insurance for the poor"

"Affordable" (even via subsidies) polls well.

And believe it or not, I'd be willing to bet "no pre-existing condition exclusions" is loved too.

There's stuff they don't see (the coming price apocalypse, taxes on home sales, medical device tax) that they probably won't like (that which they see that is)

The really interesting thing is going to be when the dems do have to act on those unlikeable problems.

here we go with a "budget" that's nothing more than accounting tricks again, because the dems will happily strip the parts of the bill that ostensibly pay for it (we can debate that another day) leaving the stuff that needs the paying still in there.

(Again, like always.)

Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 09:04 AM (GaqMa)

142 willow? new thread

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (U2UQk)

143 Any AZ Morons or ettes in here? Is mccain getting bad publicity, Good, or indifferent in local media after the Cruz backstabbing incident?

Posted by: fastfreefall at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (2R71D)

144 Hmm, believe the government is telling the truth, or lying for political purposes?

Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at September 26, 2013 01:00 PM (U2UQk)

----

You ask rhetorically, right?

Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (nELVU)

145 senator (D)Jeff merkely.
They won't help our President americas president.
Guess he missed ,Obama_ no negotiations I won!

Posted by: willow at September 26, 2013 01:00 PM (nqBYe)

I love the assumption that we have to follow "out" president into the pits of hell. These elitest are just soooo above and beyond self awareness. It is time for the pitchforks and torches.

Posted by: dananjcon at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (wmU4G)

146

Posted by: Baboon ready for a little one-on-one at September 26, 2013 12:59 PM (DHQv9)

At least they're giving me some time to heal.

Posted by: the chicken at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (kPeSM)

147 when people start finding out they have to pay for their own insurance

I have a number of oblivioid O-bot neighbors who still think they're still gonna be getting free health with Obamacare.

When their head explode it'll be epic

Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (9MLX+)

148

>>>if it weren't for some idiot from Texas running as viable-ish third party candidate

Not an idiot. That was a fight between a Texan and a "Texan" and the Texan got what he was after.

Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (3ZtZW)

149 Guy I work with thinks I am a NAZI at heart, and damaged. He will never blame a Dem for anything. Republicans are evil, that's why.

Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (jI23+)

150 This is going to be a slow rolling train wreck and the donks are either going to have to run supporting this disaster or promising to repeal it. Either way, Obama loses. Posted by: JackStraw
............
No.. The Repubs are going to fuck up this mega loss by interfering with the rollout.

The blame will be: We would have been ready and Obamacare would have worked if the GOP wasn't such obstructionists.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (f9c2L)

151 150willow? new thread

Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at September 26, 2013 01:05 PM (U2UQk)

Damn she found us.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 09:06 AM (jShXB)

152 AlextheChick it opens with eager eyes anyway.
http://youtu.be/Lur-SGl3uw8

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 26, 2013 09:06 AM (QidfK)

153

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 01:00 PM (M1gmo)

Those getting subsidies to offset the ginormous price increases will not want to give them up on fear that the prices won't come back down.

Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 09:07 AM (GaqMa)

154

Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 26, 2013 01:05 PM (9MLX+)

Prediction: They'll continue to believe it's "just around the corner"

Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 09:07 AM (GaqMa)

155 Hey, Baby!

Posted by: Baboon ready for a little one-on-one at September 26, 2013 12:59 PM (DHQv9)

Don't listen to that mung-encrusted hairy perv. I've got eight arms to love you with.

Posted by: Face-Sized Spider Looking For Love at September 26, 2013 09:08 AM (zF6Iw)

156 Yes, yes, I clearly see how expecting a Black President to be held to the same standards as all those lily white Presidents is prima facie evidence of racism. What else could it possibly be? See, Pissy Chrissy and the like would claim (offesively, and grotesquely) that BY ALL OBJECTIVE MEASURES Obama has been at least as capable as all those lilly white Presidents. All those things like Benghazi, F&F, IRS targeting opponents, EPA officials using personal email addresses to conduct business with radical groups, etc are Tea Party fever dreams.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:08 AM (yETln)

157 Mmmmmmmm. Roladen. My MIL used to make Roladen along with hand made potato dumplings and both red and regular sauerkraut. She would smother everything in homemade gravy from the drippings of the Roladen. God do I ever miss her cooking.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 26, 2013 09:08 AM (32Ze2)

158

>>>Guy I work with thinks I am a NAZI at heart, and damaged. He will never blame a Dem for anything. Republicans are evil, that's why

This is why taking over the GOP is Teh Stoopit

Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 26, 2013 09:09 AM (3ZtZW)

159 I've got lib friends that ARE praying for it to fail so it goes to single payer.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 26, 2013 09:09 AM (kPeSM)

160 I just started a Twitter hashtag #AceOfSpadesHQMeme if anyone wants to add to it

Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2013 09:10 AM (/9IC1)

161

>>>Mmmmmmmm. Roladen.

Really, amirite? Im right. Good recipe for these leaner times, too.

Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 26, 2013 09:11 AM (3ZtZW)

162 Which in turn jibes with my memories of the media coverage of The Day the Government Stood Still: video after video of clueless LIV families arriving at national parks and monuments only to find that Â– as was warned for three weeks Â– the park was not opened. According to the investigative reporter on scene, they were all, directly quoting here, Â“upset.Â” Was there at least a Moose whose nose you could crush?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:11 AM (yETln)

163 "This is why taking over the GOP is Teh Stoopit" Perhaps. But anything Conservative will be branded GOP anyway. This is why fight is needed.

Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 09:12 AM (jI23+)

164

So here is my situation. My insurance cancellation letter came today and the MD exchanges are not ready to sell insurance yet. I hope that something changes between now and Jan 1 or I am fucked. This type stuff makes me want to jump on the wagon and ride for a while. I am so fucking sick and tired of pulling the damn thing. I think this was Teh JEF's goal. Have good and decent people quit. It is because that is his goal that I want to keep plodding on. Fuck him and the other mewling statists who created this mess. I will overcome.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 26, 2013 09:12 AM (32Ze2)

165 "I will overcome." Has this been copyrighted by the King Family?

Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 09:14 AM (jI23+)

166 Most people I think see Obamacare as a Mixed bag. They love "insurance for the poor" "Affordable" (even via subsidies) polls well. And believe it or not, I'd be willing to bet "no pre-existing condition exclusions" is loved too. There's stuff they don't see (the coming price apocalypse, taxes on home sales, medical device tax) that they probably won't like (that which they see that is) The really interesting thing is going to be when the dems do have to act on those unlikeable problems. All those things that are teh awesome! Democrats did it. All those things that are teh suck! The party of NO forced it in there.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:14 AM (yETln)

167

Guy I work with thinks I am a NAZI at heart, and damaged.

When I was a newspaper reporter that is exactly what one of the columnists called me. Actually it was Â“Right-Wing Nazi.Â” He said it with a smile, kind of acknowledging the prevalent newsroom bias that made me stand out a bit.

Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 09:14 AM (9KqcB)

168 Pixie..... can I PLEEEAASE have my paragraph breaks back??? Posted by: fixerupper at September 26, 2013 12:56 PM (nELVU) Fuck no, Powered by Minx 0.7 alpha. BlogEngine.NET == 100% free, features include: - Multi-author support - Pingbacks and trackbacks - Event based for plug-in writers - Theming directly in master pages and user controls - Gravatar and coComments implemented - Live preview on commenting - Comment moderation - BlogML import/export - Extension model - Code syntax highlighting - Mono support - Full editing and creation of pages that are not posts - Extended search capabilities - Tag cloud - Self updating blogroll - Runs entirely on XML or SQL Server. Your choice. Sooo ... what's the problem? Any number of the commenters here could set it up in a day or two. Pixy is giving you teh suck for free.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:17 AM (yETln)

169 @ByronYork Reid knows majority Dems support repeal of medical device tax. Calls it 'stupid' himself. Then says govt will shut down if GOP tries repeal.

@ByronYork Reid just made big tactical error. Sounds like he is willing to allow govt shutdown to block repeal of tax he calls 'stupid.'

Nov. 2009: ObamacareÂ’s Medical-Device Tax- http://bit.ly/hJtYCY (NRO)

"Obama, Baucus, and too many Democrats have an almost touching naÃ¯vetÃ© about how the world works. Pounding this industry with punitive taxes will yield fewer Â— not more Â— life-extending and life-enhancing innovations.

Higher taxes, lower research spending, and pink slips for scientists: Democrat beatings will continue until medicine improves."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2013 09:17 AM (YjDyJ)

170

175 "Guy I work with thinks I am a NAZI at heart, and damaged."

That's because he doesn't think he's a racist, he has no burning desire to destroy the government or shoot innocent people with automatic assault guns and he knows you don't think like he does. So you must be for all those things.

Ergo, you're a right wing Nazi.

Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2013 09:18 AM (u2a4R)

171 "Obama, Baucus, and too many Democrats have an almost touching naÃ¯vetÃ© about how the world works. Pounding this industry with punitive taxes will yield fewer Â— not more Â— life-extending and life-enhancing innovations. CAFE standards have given us wonderful improvements in autos like ... tiny European econo-boxes. Yay Fiat 500!

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:20 AM (yETln)

172 One of these days, I just might take an AK-15 shotgun into the tech support office of this website and solve some the problems.

Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2013 09:21 AM (u2a4R)

173 Those getting subsidies to offset the ginormous price increases will not want to give them up on fear that the prices won't come back down. Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 26, 2013 01:07 PM (GaqMa) These people who are getting massive subsidies will only be getting their insurance for free. Whenever they go to the doctor they will have to pay 150-300$ not counting lab fees and the like. This will continue to happen until they hit their deductable. No more free visits.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 09:22 AM (M1gmo)

174 It won't be long before the MSM starts to lump him in with the Republicans as part of the "dysfunction of Washington" as they kick-off the coronation of Hillary.

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 26, 2013 12:46 PM (OtQXp)

No, the MSM will never forsake Obama. They'll collude with academics years from now to paint the Obama Administration as a New Camelot, all blemishes erased. This Administration will be more photoshopped than a Playboy centerfold.

The First Black President Cannot Be Perceived As A Failure, Now Or Ever.

Posted by: troyriser at September 26, 2013 09:25 AM (V9ol4)

175 These people who are getting massive subsidies will only be getting their insurance for free. Whenever they go to the doctor they will have to pay 150-300$ not counting lab fees and the like. This will continue to happen until they hit their deductable. No more free visits. Isn't the bronze plan 60/40 with a crap deductible? Standard plan pre-Obamacare is 80/20 with a reasonable deductible. That's the gold plan under Obamacare.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:25 AM (yETln)

176

Was there at least a Moose whose nose you could crush?

Fun Fact: The voice of the moose was that of director Harold Ramis.

Posted by: CJ at September 26, 2013 09:27 AM (9KqcB)

177 So, he didn't sign a massive welfare reform bill in August of 1996?
You know what we keep saying about "fight every single time, even if you lose, because it sets up wins later?"
Yeah.

Welfare reform had nothing- zero- to do with the shutdown.

Clinton eventually signed it with massive public support for the bill, then took credit for it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 26, 2013 09:30 AM (SY2Kh)

178 Isn't the bronze plan 60/40 with a crap deductible? Standard plan pre-Obamacare is 80/20 with a reasonable deductible. That's the gold plan under Obamacare. Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 01:25 PM (yETln) My plan now is 80/20 with 7500$ deductable with out of pocket maximum of 10,000$. Something really goes wrong I am only on the hook for 10,000 dollars. I also have 4 dr visits per year covered and 600$ in lab/xray benefits covered. My "equivalent" now that I am dropped due to Obamacare is the bronze plan. 5000$ deductable, 60/40 after the deductable, no lab/xray benefits, no dr visit benefits AND IT IS 100$ MORE EXPENSIVE. So next year I will not comply and decrease the amount of money withheld from taxes so that I will not get a refund and lets see how the IRS can enforce the penalty that they can't enforce per the supreme court since I will not be receiving credits.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 09:35 AM (M1gmo)

179 113 So, fuck off. Win me--conservatives--first. Then we can negotiate on how much you can do to appeal to the middle.

Posted by: RoyalOil
.............
Of course. But everyone's opinion on how to win conservatives first is where the problem lies.

Pretending to "defund" Obamacare seems to be the consensus around here. But, that's the best you can do.. pretend.. and get all blustery and stuff.
=========
Not really.
Because this isn't the one and only issue. If it was, maybe you're right.

See, across the board: There is nothing the GOP can point to and say, "We won that for you, conservatives."

No.

Every win in the last 5 years has been IN SPITE of the GOP.

But, maybe I'm wrong.

You are often aligned with the more moderate wing here: You tell me--where are the wins, not the promise of wins on a date to be determined later, the wins the GOP has delivered to conservatives?

Say your football team is 1-2 right now. You going to keep watching if all the coach can talk about is hopefully keeping the score close next Sunday?

And that's the GOP: "We're shore gonna try hard to keep the score close."

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 26, 2013 09:36 AM (VjL9S)

180 That is 100$ more PER month. My boss is also no longer giving me a stipend to cover it due to Obamacare making healthcare "free" for everyone. So realistically, now my health insurance would be 300$ more per month should I take it. Which I refuse. I will get insurance when I get sick now.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 09:38 AM (M1gmo)

181 My coworkers thoughts on Zimm were what you would expect. Fucking clueless, and no information from the trial. Good times. Also, I'm Racist.

Posted by: nip at September 26, 2013 09:41 AM (jI23+)

182 That is 100$ more PER month. My boss is also no longer giving me a stipend to cover it due to Obamacare making healthcare "free" for everyone. So realistically, now my health insurance would be 300$ more per month should I take it. Which I refuse. What's the max out of pocket on bronze Obamacare?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:43 AM (yETln)

183 Fun Fact: The voice of the moose was that of director Harold Ramis. I hope that guy is rolling in dough. He did some fun stuff. I also hope he's not a d*ckhead. I saw a picture of him recently, you can still see Egon, but he's hiding pretty well under all that skin.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 09:45 AM (yETln)

184 What's the max out of pocket on bronze Obamacare? Posted by: bonhomme at September 26, 2013 01:43 PM (yETln) I am seeing 6350 as the upper limit, but my insurance company was saying 7500$. They don't have to comply until 2015.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 26, 2013 09:57 AM (M1gmo)

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