April 07, 2013
— rdbrewer The subject matter and most of the content is good, but you have to ignore the stupid whispering of the narrator. I think the director was trying to portray "thoughts in the head" of Kasparov or perhaps someone watching at a tournament, but it sounds more like a golf announcer broadcasting from the edge of the eighteenth green at a major championship. "Looks like he's got an eight iron there, Bob." Completely unnecessary.
The other irritating thing is the contrived big corporation conspiracy theory angle. I think they had to play that up for plot, for purposes of drama, and much of the material along this line is of the terribly trite variety: "the heartless, evil corporation cares about nothing but money." Kasparov had a legitimate beef about the way IBM handled some things, but my guess is they egged him on with questions designed to elicit philosophical-sounding answers about corporate power. The documentary isn't filled with it, however, but it is sprinkled here and there with the narrator hinting at times about unknowable evil.
Here is what happened: Deep Blue played the first game like a computer and got blown away. During a critical move in game two, after spending 15 minutes calculating at 200 million positions per second, Deep Blue made a very human-looking move. The thing is, a few moves later it missed a very basic move, but in typical computer fashion. By then, however, Kasparov was blinded by frustration, and he missed it. Regardless, how could this happen? That question becomes the thing that defeats Kasparov in the end. After game two, Kasparov demanded documentation of the computer's analysis. IBM refused, and Kasparov couldn't shake his anger and suspicion.
The best thing about the documentary is that you get a glimpse of Kasparov's inner world, his anguish and, maybe, a touch of regret about the way he handled things. Most are familiar with what appeared to be spoiled-brat rudeness at the end of the final game where he resigned and stormed away from the table. That clip was played over and over on television. Kasparov came off like a jerk. Well, it turns out there were real reasons for his response that went beyond simply reacting angrily from losing. There was a certain amount of jackassery from the IBM team that had been building over the course of the week, and Kasparov couldn't recover from that. He describes what might be referred to as "intrusive thoughts" that centered on the difference between the machine's performance between game one and game two. Kasparov couldn't get past his emotional reaction, and it wore him down. The IBM team knew that. He was defeated before the last game even started.
As they explain in the documentary, playing a human is one thing, and playing a computer is another, but playing a human and a computer is impossible. That is, a human helping a computer at this level is unbeatable. The person need not be a grandmaster either. They simply need to let the computer know what lines of attack to abandon. This is because of something called the Shannon number. The Shannon number is the number of possible moves in the typical 40-move chess game: 10123 variations. For comparison, the number of atoms in the observable universe is only 1081. From Claude Shannon's paper: "A machine operating at the rate of one variation per micro-second would require over 1090 years to calculate the first move!" And therein lies the problem for computers and programmers and the way they can be beaten. A computer can't just look at the board and eliminate dumb lines of analysis. So they have to find ways to program around that.
One of the knocks against Kasparov is the argument that he was the best in the world, so it wouldn't matter if a human was helping the computer. But the suspicion wasn't that a human was playing the game; it's that a human was eliminating fruitless lines of analysis. It's a compelling idea, and the documentary could have spent more time developing it by explaining the way in which moves were relayed from the computer to the playing board and back again. This was just hinted at: that Deep Blue was behind some locked doors surrounded by all these IBM people--including hired grandmasters--and private security, and who knows what was going on?
There are other important factors. For example, IBM hadn't provided a record of Deep Blue's prior games. It turns out the contract stipulated providing a record of "public games." Deep Blue had only played private games. So the Deep Blue team had every game Kasparov had ever played in a tournament, and Kasparov had no Deep Blue games to examine. In a match against a human, Kasparov would have been able to examine prior games.
I think Kasparov's suspicions are justified. He knows what he's talking about. An experienced chess player--especially at that level--can tell computer from human and estimate within a few points another player's chess rating just by watching them play for a little while. In the same fashion, for example, an experienced highway patrolman can glance at a car and estimate its speed within one or two miles per hour. It's what they know.
IBM wouldn't give him a rematch.
In any future computer vs. human game at this level, the computer should be required to sit on the stage across from the grandmaster, and the person relaying the moves must not be given any opportunity to adjust the computer's analysis. Better yet, require the computer to "see" the chess board so that no human input is required at all--so that the computer just displays its response. That would eliminate any dispute, and we could see that hired grandmasters aren't poking away at keyboards. And all that security? No one is going to stick the computer in their pocket and run away with it. Just put a cop nearby. Good grief.
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Posted by: arminius at April 07, 2013 01:09 PM (cDnhR)
Posted by: Enby at April 07, 2013 01:10 PM (b8Olj)
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 07, 2013 01:11 PM (vAanF)
The Shannon number is the number of possible moves in the typical 40-move chess game: 10123 variations.
Are you trying to tell me Big Blue couldn't count to eleventy!!11!! ?
That's the corporations acting all corporationy!
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 07, 2013 01:13 PM (vN7SY)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 07, 2013 01:13 PM (HDgX3)
He'd get steamed when the dice went against him or a novice did something completely insane and pulled a lucky roll though. He never became one of the premier field practitioners who could hustle on a global scale because his emotions would always blow it for him, so he stuck to doing local/regional hustling.
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:15 PM (/gHaE)
She perfected 'the Shannon move' , IYKWIM but probably don't.
moved in just the right way at just the right time--like a chess master, yeah?
Posted by: Rod from Rotterdam at April 07, 2013 01:15 PM (Dll6b)
Nope. There is still the exponential variation problem. I have a computer program that always beats me. I might have beaten it a couple of times (with minimal cheating) in several years. I paused the video about halfway through to see if I could do what they were saying: block the computer. Give it many options but no clear line of attack.
Bloodbath. I beat it three times in a row. And that was just using one idea they touched on briefly. Kasparov has deep knowledge of how computers work.
Yes, you can crack these programs.
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 01:16 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 07, 2013 01:16 PM (+wxCD)
Posted by: garrett at April 07, 2013 01:17 PM (WCL0p)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 07, 2013 01:17 PM (+wxCD)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 01:18 PM (p0uh1)
He's not hustling professionally anymore. Marriage put an end to that.
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:18 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: garrett at April 07, 2013 01:20 PM (WCL0p)
I always liked the way Phil Helmuth branded himself for being the whiny bitch that he is.
Well put.
It's funny how extremely smart that was. Scored him a lot of coin.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 07, 2013 01:22 PM (vN7SY)
Posted by: The Man From Athens at April 07, 2013 01:22 PM (RXQ2T)
Posted by: Lisa Nowak: Diaper Astronaut at April 07, 2013 01:23 PM (wIgpo)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 07, 2013 01:24 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:24 PM (/gHaE)
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/3692088267.html
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 01:26 PM (Fzo3y)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 01:26 PM (p0uh1)
Have Conservatives ever thought of chilling out and engage in dialogue?
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:28 PM (xSOIY)
Have Conservatives ever thought of chilling out and engage in dialogue?
Dude, you're soooo right.
Posted by: Academia at April 07, 2013 01:30 PM (vN7SY)
I was just thinking to myself, it's been way to long since I called for a banning to end a debate. Because hey, it's what I do.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 07, 2013 01:31 PM (Fz2C7)
Benjamin remains an asshole for his role in this.
Posted by: troyriser at April 07, 2013 01:32 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 01:33 PM (p0uh1)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 01:33 PM (Fzo3y)
This is why Conservatism is dying. Its adherents are insecure in their beliefs and refuse top have their world view challenged.
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:33 PM (xSOIY)
Posted by: zsasz at April 07, 2013 01:33 PM (MMC8r)
The majority? You got you asses kicked in the last election. The Republican Party is extremely unpopular. What world are you living in?
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:35 PM (xSOIY)
Posted by: zsasz at April 07, 2013 01:35 PM (MMC8r)
Yea, and its not even pre-68 CARB exempted, so you gotta keep the engine stock.
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:35 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: lowandslow at April 07, 2013 01:35 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: Capitalized Conservatives! at April 07, 2013 01:36 PM (vN7SY)
Posted by: zsasz at April 07, 2013 01:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2013 01:37 PM (WM+rJ)
Watch the vid. That guy wouldn't stop at anything. In fact, it appears he's the one behind the team's psy-ops bullshit which amounted to being frustrating jackoffs.
As Kasparov says, you expect that with a human; you don't expect that with a computer.
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 01:37 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 07, 2013 01:37 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:37 PM (wIgpo)
I notice you're still commenting and not banned.
Apparently the blog software banning feature is defective.
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:37 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 07, 2013 01:38 PM (Lq5WC)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 01:38 PM (p0uh1)
Posted by: zsasz at April 07, 2013 01:39 PM (MMC8r)
Bad Boy - or, as I suspect, Raykon, at comment 33: the answer to your question is that we are somewhat ambivalent on the matter. For example, on the one hand, there's the undoubted enticement of dialogue with someone whose views are as intriguing as yours - end funding for the police, the military, and the public schools, I believe is your position, because you can "take care of yourself"? So there's the thrilling prospect of that.
On the other hand, we shudder, because if everyone found out that the final details of conservative ideology in America has a certain something to do with a volcano..... well, we don't much like to discuss that.
Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 07, 2013 01:40 PM (wJliR)
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:40 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 01:40 PM (p0uh1)
You lost the election, did you not? It was a victory for Moderates and Progressives over Conservatives.
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:40 PM (xSOIY)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at April 07, 2013 01:40 PM (feFL6)
Later Wingnut Bushies! Mom is telling me to come up from the basement and have dinner. Sunday is Dinty Moore!!! My fav!
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:41 PM (wIgpo)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 07, 2013 01:41 PM (FsUAO)
I'd rather fuck with troll's comments than ban them.
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:41 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Sad Soy at April 07, 2013 01:42 PM (Lq5WC)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 07, 2013 01:42 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:43 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 01:44 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 07, 2013 01:44 PM (jucos)
I am not pleased with Obama's economic performance. The hate hate and lack of ideas I see from Conservatives give me pause. If Conservatives were more tolerant and reached out to people instead of screaming at them, you would be surprise that many different type of voters may start helping you.
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:46 PM (xSOIY)
Posted by: Boy Toy at April 07, 2013 01:46 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at April 07, 2013 01:46 PM (feFL6)
In other words you will ban me. Go ahead, it will prove my point on the intolerance of Conservatives.
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:46 PM (xSOIY)
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 05:35 PM (xSOIY)
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So what the fuck do you want to talk about, you sniveling little asshole?
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 01:47 PM (4JbTa)
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 01:47 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 01:47 PM (Fzo3y)
I only play Chess. Not chess. Fucking Fucktards.
That's How You Win! !! !!!! ExtraShiftKeyPoints!!!!!!
Posted by: Capitalized Conservatives! at April 07, 2013 01:47 PM (vN7SY)
Before I get banned I just want to say, this is a prime example of why you lose. People attempt at dialogue and you just silence them.
Have a good afternoon, I shall return.
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 01:48 PM (xSOIY)
Posted by: Hopeless at April 07, 2013 01:49 PM (g8+Vr)
Which of course is why one of the coblogs is openly gay, right? And why Malkin/BOR mocking is pasttime, right? And why half the commenter's are atheists/agnostics, right?
Right. Gotcha.
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:50 PM (/gHaE)
Huh, learn something everyday.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 07, 2013 01:51 PM (Fz2C7)
No, it will prove that you warned to get on the topic of this thread, and refused to do so. Talk about Kasparov, talk about chess. Hell, talk about Big Blue's operating system, that's at least related.
But you insist on being off topic and daring the management to ban you. You'll most likely get your wish, but not because you have an opposing viewpoint. You'll be banned because you're an insufferable ass.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 07, 2013 01:51 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 07, 2013 01:51 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Zombie Neville Chamberlain at April 07, 2013 01:51 PM (wIgpo)
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 07, 2013 01:51 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Hopeless at April 07, 2013 01:52 PM (g8+Vr)
Posted by: Bad Boy at April 07, 2013 05:48 PM (xSOIY)
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Just like Gen. Douglas MacArthur said as he parchuted into Casablanca to fight the Visogoths. Am I right?
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 01:52 PM (4JbTa)
Posted by: Tuna at April 07, 2013 01:53 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 07, 2013 01:53 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at April 07, 2013 01:54 PM (cHRDM)
Posted by: Hopeless at April 07, 2013 01:55 PM (g8+Vr)
Posted by: Reggie Love at April 07, 2013 01:55 PM (wIgpo)
Results may vary, but I could write code to win about 95% of the time. So I tire of either game, because, to me, it's a game of chance between two evenly matched players, based on who moves first.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at April 07, 2013 05:40 PM (feFL6)
In Chess, first move has the advantage. It's mathematically slight, but it's there.
Posted by: troyriser at April 07, 2013 01:55 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: Tuna at April 07, 2013 01:57 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 01:57 PM (4JbTa)
Exactly. This was Benjamin's chance at revenge.
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 01:57 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 01:58 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 07, 2013 02:00 PM (piMMO)
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Posted by: teej at April 07, 2013 02:08 PM (Nsomq)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the former MrCaniac, spotter of Papists at April 07, 2013 02:08 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 02:08 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 05:58 PM (Iyg03)
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Ah. Good. Just got back from the other threads. Echos and darkness. I was skeerd.
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 02:09 PM (4JbTa)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 02:09 PM (Fzo3y)
Just for the record, that's a Canadian documentary, made by the National Film Board. You have to expect a certain amount of anti-big business booga-booga, but they've also made some very interesting films.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 07, 2013 02:10 PM (FkH4y)
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2013 02:11 PM (Iyg03)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 07, 2013 02:11 PM (jucos)
Backwards Boy, was a zombie troll. Nothing original in its attack....
Yeah, but on a chess thread? On a Sunday afternoon?
I guess things must be really slow at the Glory Hole Truck Stop.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 02:11 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: BignJames at April 07, 2013 02:13 PM (H9MGI)
Posted by: edmund at April 07, 2013 02:14 PM (rCS6C)
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 02:17 PM (4JbTa)
Oh well, my Magic are up in Cleveland playing the Cadavers this fine evening. Should be another game they'll lose.
Mercifully, this season will be over in like 5 more games.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 02:17 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:17 PM (MhA4j)
Don't forget all the Papists, Jews, Episcopalians, Methodists, Baptists, Lutherens and Church of Christ heretics around here.
It's all a Presbyterian can do to not go all Jesus in the Temple on you fucknuts.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the former MrCaniac, spotter of Papists at April 07, 2013 06:08 PM (Zd/NW)
1.) You misspelled Joo.
2.) You left out rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, and shit-kickers.
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at April 07, 2013 02:18 PM (aozUR)
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 02:19 PM (4JbTa)
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at April 07, 2013 02:20 PM (TGAeF)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the former MrCaniac, spotter of Bugfucks at April 07, 2013 02:20 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:20 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:22 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the former MrCaniac, spotter of Bugfucks at April 07, 2013 02:22 PM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: teej at April 07, 2013 02:22 PM (L7JQT)
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at April 07, 2013 02:22 PM (aozUR)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 07, 2013 02:23 PM (piMMO)
Can't decide if Mark Kelly gets depressurized or wait until the New Brotherhood Army attack on the nuclear power plant.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 02:23 PM (Fzo3y)
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Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:24 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: BignJames at April 07, 2013 02:25 PM (H9MGI)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 02:26 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: teej at April 07, 2013 02:26 PM (L7JQT)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:27 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 07, 2013 02:28 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 06:27 PM (MhA4j)
Or a fake Irish dwarf wrestler.
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at April 07, 2013 02:28 PM (aozUR)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:28 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: eman at April 07, 2013 02:28 PM (Q0gEg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 07, 2013 02:28 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 07, 2013 02:29 PM (FsUAO)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 07, 2013 02:30 PM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:30 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 02:31 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 02:31 PM (ZPrif)
You little whippersnappers don't know how good you have it. Why, we didn't even have horns to swoggle when I was young.
We had to pull the wool over our own damned eyes.
What's that under your feet?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 02:31 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 02:32 PM (4JbTa)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:33 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: teej at April 07, 2013 02:33 PM (tWrwm)
TNT showing Deep Impact. If I could make a movie version of Lucifer's Hammer, the Americans have to hitch a ride with the Russians. Use the ISS for observations.
Much better movie than Armageddon. And that one guy was on Justified this season.
Posted by: USS Diversity at April 07, 2013 02:33 PM (5wHPS)
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Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:37 PM (MhA4j)
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Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 07, 2013 02:38 PM (jucos)
Rangers v Angels tonight...and more freakin homework... :-\
But I WILL be checkin in on you guys...
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 07, 2013 02:38 PM (g7vVd)
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Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 02:41 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 02:42 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 02:42 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 02:42 PM (gmoEG)
Part of it was Kasparov's own fault, born of hubris. He just couldn't conceive that the program had been improved enough to beat him, so he failed to insist on seeing a dozen or so games played by the final version before the match. Of course, Benjamin and the programmers had access to every game Kasparov had ever played.
The IBM team plan was based on the Left's approach on social issues. Take gay marriage as one example: no matter how many times they lost in referenda and in court, they kept coming back, but as soon as they win, the issue is closed. Of course they would eventually beat Kasparov, especially if he entered each match blind. And once they did, they would never play him again.
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Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at April 07, 2013 02:54 PM (TGAeF)
Personally, I can't believe they left out the final Deep Blue/Kasparov match that took place in Montreal, when Vince McMahon stepped in and called it for Deep Blue, even though that was entirely off-script.
Remember? Kasparov decking Vince in the locker room? The shocked look Deep Blue had? I always thought that was a factor that brought on the early demise of Gary's father, the Canadian chess legend "Stu" Kasparov.
You can see the full story in the CBC documentary "Castling With Shadows."
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Posted by: zsasz at April 07, 2013 03:03 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at April 07, 2013 03:04 PM (TGAeF)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 03:05 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 03:05 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Hal 9000 at April 07, 2013 03:05 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 07, 2013 03:06 PM (jucos)
Posted by: 2nd (Blue) Unicorn at April 07, 2013 03:07 PM (wJliR)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 03:07 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at April 07, 2013 03:07 PM (TGAeF)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 03:09 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: AE at April 07, 2013 03:09 PM (HYceo)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 03:09 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at April 07, 2013 03:09 PM (TGAeF)
And why has nobody brought up the hack-worthiness of Kasparov's entrance into every chess match? The whole running around the table in war paint, shaking the table, and calling out to his "little Kasparots" was, well, a little derivative, no?
Posted by: 2nd (Blue) Unicorn at April 07, 2013 03:10 PM (wJliR)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 03:11 PM (p0uh1)
Posted by: James T. Kirk at April 07, 2013 03:12 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at April 07, 2013 03:12 PM (TGAeF)
Do you know how difficult it's going to be to explain just how I managed to give myself aspiration pneumonia via cherry limeade?
Sigh. I know better than to ingest anything whilst reading the comments.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at April 07, 2013 03:13 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 03:14 PM (p0uh1)
Posted by: Truman North at April 07, 2013 03:17 PM (p0uh1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 03:17 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 03:19 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: BignJames at April 07, 2013 03:20 PM (H9MGI)
Why does the Filbert get no love?
If you want a filbert, you have to buy a can of mixed nuts, wade through the almonds, peanuts and cashews and hope that there are more than four in the entire can.
Why can't I just buy a jar of Filberts?
Posted by: garrett at April 07, 2013 03:21 PM (+fPAm)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 03:22 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 03:25 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2013 03:26 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Tuna at April 07, 2013 03:30 PM (M/TDA)
****
Or when Deep Blue slapped the shit out of Andy Kaufman?
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 07, 2013 07:00 PM (MhA4j)
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All I know of Deep Blue is when he sent my girlfriend a pic of his dick knocking over pawns. The nerve of that guy.
Posted by: Tony Wiener at April 07, 2013 03:33 PM (4JbTa)
Posted by: Deep Blue at April 07, 2013 03:38 PM (1kPLg)
Posted by: Deep Blue at April 07, 2013 03:40 PM (TGAeF)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 07, 2013 03:41 PM (wR+pz)
Is Deep Blue related to Electric Blue?]/I]
Or Blue Man Group? Those guys all look alike, it's as if they're replicated or something.
Creepy, it is.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 03:44 PM (+z4pE)
Here in Wyoming, when some goateed little hippy from Boulder comes up here to make a statement like that, he goes straight into the scorpion pits with the rest of the caltards who try to flee the joblessness they created by moving here.
Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2013 03:45 PM (wYVte)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 07, 2013 03:47 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 03:49 PM (gmoEG)
Those poor scorpions. No wonder they get so mean.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 07, 2013 03:51 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 03:52 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 03:53 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 07, 2013 03:53 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 07, 2013 03:54 PM (19AvL)
Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2013 03:56 PM (sdi6R)
Last seen playing in small town North Dakota high school gyms. Not like those big fancy North Dakota cities. Alll those stuck-up city folk in Minot and Fargo with their store-bought clothes.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2013 07:05 PM (ZPrif)
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LOL This is the funniest thing I've read all weekend.
Posted by: mama winger at April 07, 2013 03:56 PM (P6QsQ)
Couldn't you just create a puma pit? Use the same setting for the Calgary Stampede and record it for pay-per-view? Greenies meet nature up front and personal - and nature wants to get very close and know them better.
"We're all children of Gaia!"
*ROAR, SNARL*
"Aieeeeeee...."
*tear, chew, gulp, tear*
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 03:56 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 07, 2013 03:57 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 07, 2013 03:57 PM (19AvL)
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 03:57 PM (4JbTa)
Deep Blue was reworked to do climate modeling.
I shit thee not.
I bet forcing that hockey stick in its floppy drive hurt like hell.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 03:57 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is off his meds and writing nonsense at April 07, 2013 03:58 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: mama winger at April 07, 2013 03:59 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: mama winger at April 07, 2013 03:59 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 07, 2013 04:00 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 07, 2013 04:00 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 07, 2013 04:00 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 07, 2013 04:00 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is off his meds and writing nonsense at April 07, 2013 04:00 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is off his meds and writing nonsense at April 07, 2013 04:00 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 07, 2013 04:02 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: Bland Boy at April 07, 2013 04:03 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: lowandslow at April 07, 2013 04:07 PM (Fz2C7)
285 Why is it you racist hillbilly retards don't want to engage in honest, civil debate?
Because until you can fill in the blanks, there can be no rational, honest, civil debate. Now, what does F*** Y**, N**** Q*******? mean?
*not aimed at the sock*
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 04:08 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 04:08 PM (Fzo3y)
Redford or Turner - I'd buy a front row seat with the extra-thick plexiglass to stop splatters and bone fragments from soiling my ultra-spats.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 04:12 PM (gmoEG)
plaintive wail.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 08:11 PM (nqBYe)
*shoves pie through usb port for you*
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at April 07, 2013 04:13 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 07, 2013 04:13 PM (UvkJs)
I checked in last night and was very much out of the loop...
I've been scarce this week and all...
Posted by: Harlekwin15-Emergency back Up Angst ID at April 07, 2013 04:14 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 04:14 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at April 07, 2013 08:13 PM (Gk3SS)
ooh myy queen.
thank you curtsey, sits in the corner , does the prison protection stance.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:14 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 07, 2013 04:15 PM (UvkJs)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 04:15 PM (qPCAa)
I appreciate the cobs and all, but I dropped back and punted. Went three threads back to guns and related pr0n after finishing steaks and scotch.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 07, 2013 04:15 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: lowandslow at April 07, 2013 04:16 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 04:16 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 08:15 PM (qPCAa)
actually i should have said Michelle Obama at dinner 'luncheon stance.'
look it up elizabethe it's hysterical,
she is sitting by Boehner at a luncheon protecting her food. and shoveling it down.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:17 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2013 04:18 PM (sdi6R)
Uuuuurp.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2013 04:19 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 07, 2013 08:13 PM (UvkJs)
Don't tell the folks - no one needs to know and they won't once we get the carpet cleaner from the hardware store.
BTW - how deep do you have to bury something before the dogs can't sniff for it? Just asking.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 04:20 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 08:20 PM (gmoEG)
Ahhh, Walmart! Where else can you get tarps, duct tape, a shovel and lye at two in the morning?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at April 07, 2013 04:21 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 04:22 PM (Fzo3y)
I finally check in and this is what I find.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 07, 2013 08:13 PM (UvkJs)
Don't tell the folks - no one needs to know and they won't once we get the carpet cleaner from the hardware store.
BTW - how deep do you have to bury something before the dogs can't sniff for it? Just asking.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 08:20 PM
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It's the Luminol that you have to worry about.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2013 04:22 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 04:23 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 07, 2013 04:23 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 08:20 PM (gmoEG)
aww ,are you taking care of elizabethe's half a chewed rat?
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:23 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 08:23 PM (qPCAa)
i know, she really lacks couth in social arenas.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:24 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 07, 2013 04:24 PM (UvkJs)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is off his meds and writing nonsense at April 07, 2013 04:24 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 04:24 PM (qPCAa)
Pie?
Posted by: lowandslow at April 07, 2013 08:22 PM
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At least 5 pies...., homemade strawberry shortcake, banana pudding, brownies, a couple of Jello-ish things.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2013 04:25 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 08:20 PM (gmoEG)
Ahhh, Walmart! Where else can you get tarps, duct tape, a shovel and lye at two in the morning?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at April 07, 2013 08:21 PM (Gk3SS)
pesky neighbor?
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:25 PM (nqBYe)
>>It's the Luminol that you have to worry about.
Nah - Just spray the whole place down with blood before you intiate cleanup.
Any kind of blood will do...
Posted by: garrett at April 07, 2013 04:25 PM (j82ko)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 04:25 PM (qPCAa)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2013 08:25 PM (aDwsi)
I didn't know you were going to a riot.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at April 07, 2013 04:25 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is off his meds and writing nonsense at April 07, 2013 04:26 PM (Md8Uo)
it is pretty sad we've reached the point a blood spattered house is preferable to having illegal confectioner's sugar....
Posted by: Harlekwin15-Emergency back Up Angst ID at April 07, 2013 04:26 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2013 04:27 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 04:27 PM (Fzo3y)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 07, 2013 04:27 PM (qPCAa)
Formerly pesky neighbor.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 07, 2013 08:26 PM (4Mv1T)
I'm trying to figure out if prayers should be said.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:27 PM (nqBYe)
>>It's the Luminol that you have to worry about.
Nah - Just spray the whole place down with blood before you intiate cleanup.
Any kind of blood will do... Posted by: garrett at April 07, 2013 08:25 PM
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Ah. The Smoke Screen Gambit..., hey wait..., is that a chess strategy?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2013 04:27 PM (aDwsi)
I'm easily confused...and i did feel oddly alive after that last batch of donuts...
Posted by: Harlekwin15-Emergency back Up Angst ID at April 07, 2013 04:28 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is off his meds and writing nonsense at April 07, 2013 04:29 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2013 08:28 PM (4JbTa)
ooooh, trips soona grabs the pie, toss's it to alex.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:30 PM (nqBYe)
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Ordinarily I would be interested..., but really..., no....., uh..., what kind?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2013 04:30 PM (aDwsi)
"Look - none of us were at rdbrewer's tonight - got it?
*continues tamping dirt, grabs leaves and brush; scatters those over the ground; runs off in the night*
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 04:30 PM (gmoEG)
For the neighbor? Much too late for that.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 07, 2013 08:28 PM (4Mv1T)
Not for the neighbor silly, but Mike having to dig a hole on a restful day.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:31 PM (nqBYe)
*continues tamping dirt, grabs leaves and brush; scatters those over the ground; runs off in the night*
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 08:30 PM (gmoEG)
Who's rdbrewer?
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:32 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2013 04:32 PM (sdi6R)
For the neighbor? Much too late for that.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 07, 2013 08:28 PM (4Mv1T)
Not for the neighbor silly, but Mike having to dig a hole on a restful day.
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 08:31 PM
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“If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he next comes to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination”
Posted by: Thomas DeQuincey at April 07, 2013 04:33 PM (aDwsi)
“If
once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think
little of robbing; and from robbing he next comes to drinking and
Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination”
Posted by: Thomas DeQuincey at April 07, 2013 08:33 PM (aDwsi)
wipes mouth with napkin, lights a cig,pours a glass of wine , fluffs hair
may we talk about this another day?
Posted by: willow at April 07, 2013 04:36 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 07, 2013 04:37 PM (piMMO)
little of robbing; and from robbing he next comes to drinking and
Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination”
Just me? or did anyone else notice that this is backwards.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 07, 2013 04:38 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2013 04:39 PM (Fzo3y)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, Pie Afficianodo at April 07, 2013 04:40 PM (Zd/NW)
little of robbing; and from robbing he next comes to drinking and
Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination”
Just me? or did anyone else notice that this is backwards.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 07, 2013 08:38 PM
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Well......, I mean, a man that murders, why..., he might do anything
Posted by: Thomas DeQuincey at April 07, 2013 04:41 PM (aDwsi)
It was just a troll - we had an excuse, a Banhammer, plenty of morons, the lye, a shovel, and an alibi and its night. What could go wrong?'
*continues running; then slows - the horror comes over him*
"Plenty of morons - what could go wrong? Why don't I just call the FBI already and get it over with?"
*trudges off into the misty woods; shakes head, wondering why he tries with this group*
"Might as well bring a calliope, the French Army, and the national Democratic Party with me; can't find a bigger, louder circus anywhere."
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 07, 2013 04:42 PM (gmoEG)
I interrupt this discussion for an intriguing piece of raptor artworks:
http://psuedofolio.tumblr.com/post/47160024419
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 07, 2013 04:42 PM (7um7O)
Posted by: Thomas DeQuincey at April 07, 2013 04:44 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, Pie Afficianodo at April 07, 2013 04:46 PM (Zd/NW)
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