37 My MSNBC-loving Father's been freaking out over 3D printed guns for months now, wanting 3D printers banned because of them. It's a chore to be around him.

38 It's particularly chilling that the government can declare it controls information. It's just plain wrong. WE control the information. Ben Ghazi, reporting live from...

39 I'd like to 3D print me off a nice italian sub right now.... .   

40 Honestly, ammo I think is likely to be more of a problem than rigging up something to fire it.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 10, 2013 11:43 AM (XQsSC)

Agreed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 10, 2013 11:44 AM (XIxXP)

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Disagree.   The hard part is the chamber.   Center fire pressures run anywhere from 15000 to 60000ish PSI on common calibers.   Get your headspace wrong and your going to blow your hand or your face off.

41 Nooo.... not an Italian Sub...  a sammich!  you guys..

42 It's particularly chilling that the government can declare it controls information.

This seems like exactly the opposite of what we say when the NY Slimes prints classified information on its front page.

43 42 My MSNBC-loving Father's been freaking out over 3D printed guns for months now, wanting 3D printers banned because of them. It's a chore to be around him. Posted by: Pyrocles at May 10, 2013 11:50 AM (cv5Iw) Tell him rednecks are now printing nukes and stand back...

44
From what one of buddies at work says, it's probably even cheaper to get a cheap computerized CNC machine than a 3D printer. After you have that it isn't that big of a step to turn out, oh, an AR lower.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at May 10, 2013 11:39 AM (6NIyO)

There's a long-time CNC geek community who build inexpensive CNC machines at home. Been around for many years.

Lots of home builders of ARs and AKs as well (like tens of thousands of them), using cheap hydrolic presses and drill presses from Harbor Freight, along with simple jigs to accurately bend & drill the receivers and assemble the parts into working firearms that are equal to the quality and durability of commercial guns.

The guns, normal capacity magazines and other evil items really weren't the point anyway. It's about the government restriction on information and the private affairs of the citizenry. Wilson's genius is to attack these restrictions via the new fad of 3D fabrication. The fact that the finished product is pretty much a one-time use item doesn't matter.

45 He should have told them to go pound sand. And then enjoyed a jail cell right next to the Youtube guy...

46 O/T  Hi Jones in CO.  Haven't seen you around for awhile.  Hope all is well.

47 OT but no one has said it for awhile.  DrewM and Gabe are the bestest co bloggers ever.  Irreplaceable.  Now that Andy guy, well....

48 Is it possible sardine, bean, salsa burrito farts can one day be categorized as a weapon? Could they regulate it? I'm fucked if that happens. I'm paranoid as shit, can you tell?

49 OT:  Good pics from Prince Harry visiting Arlington Cemetery and tomb of the Unknown today..   http://bit.ly/18yNoEi

Class.

50
The federal government does not have the authority to ban firearms period.
Posted by: kreplach



Technically, it looks like the government isn't banning the gun, but rather banning the information on how to build the gun from being available to non-Americans.

And that does appear to fit within ITAR restrictions.

51 Soon the Amalgamated Regional Militias under UN aegis will scour the globe looking to suppress dangerous technologies.

52 CIA director David Petraeus was surprised when he read the freshly rewritten talking points an aide had emailed him in the early afternoon of Saturday, September 15. One day earlier, analysts with the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis had drafted a set of unclassified talking points policymakers could use to discuss the attacks in Benghazi, Libya. But this new version—produced with input from senior Obama administration policymakers—was a shadow of the original. The original CIA talking points had been blunt: The assault on U.S. facilities in Benghazi was a terrorist attack conducted by a large group of Islamic extremists, including some with ties to al Qaeda. These were strong claims. The CIA usually qualifies its assessments, providing policymakers a sense of whether the conclusions of its analysis are offered with “high confidence,” “moderate confidence,” or “low confidence.” That first draft signaled confidence, even certainty: “We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda participated in the attack.” [...] The version Petraeus received in his inbox Saturday, however, had none. The only remaining allusion to the bad guys noted that “extremists” might have participated in “violent demonstrations.” In an email at 2:44 p.m. to Chip Walter, head of the CIA’s legislative affairs office, Petraeus expressed frustration at the new, scrubbed talking points, noting that they had been stripped of much of the content his agency had provided. Petraeus noted with evident disappointment that the policymakers had even taken out the line about the CIA’s warning on Cairo. The CIA director, long regarded as a team player, declined to pick a fight with the White House and seemed resigned to the propagation of the administration’s preferred narrative. The final decisions about what to tell the American people rest with the national security staff, he reminded Walter, and not with the CIA. Sorry not good enough. He should have resigned, unless maybe they had something on him????

53 I know this may come as a shock to regular readers of the HQ, but it would seem that the left is much more interested in using these events to justify their long march towards top-down, authoritarian control than it is in any of the particulars.
No! No! I refuse to believe it!
*bursts into tears*

54 I made my scissors with a 3-D copier. 

55

"The hard part is the chamber. Center fire pressures run anywhere from 15000 to 60000ish PSI on common calibers. Get your headspace wrong and your going to blow your hand or your face off."

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Right.  "Merely" using military .308 machine gun ammo instead of .308 civilian can cause a pressure disaster in guns made out of steel.   Lots of stupid crap happens in reloading. 

Anything but .22 rimfire in a plastic gun seems fairly suicidal.  

56 >This seems like exactly the opposite of what we say when the NY Slimes prints classified information on its front page. I suppose what I meant to say was... this 3d gun file was an expression of someone's creative idea. And the gov't has decided it 'owns' that.

57 I'm pretty sure they will have to ban all private manufacture of firearms to stop people from making the toy gun available on line. I can build guns, real guns with rifled barrels and steel and shit. The plastic gun isn't a serious weapon anyway, its just that our betters in government are too stupid to know it.

58

Honestly, ammo I think is likely to be more of a problem than rigging up something to fire it.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 10, 2013 11:43 AM (XQsSC)



Agreed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 10, 2013 11:44 AM (XIxXP)

 

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If you're talking cetnerfire/rimfire, OK maybe.  But pellet guns are at the point where I wouldn't want to be hit with one either, and those run on compressed air.  It's not too far out to imagine a printable pellet gun that runs on those small CO2 cartridges, or for that matter other commonly available compress gas containers.  And the pellets could be easily made.

 

 

59 The Liberator uses off the shelf .380 rounds that are still much easier to obtain in most places than a gun to fire them.

A 3D printer cannot produce ammo (yet) but the means of producing that at a good rate in a basement workshop is widespread. The chemistry required is pretty low level, the sort of thing that was once common in kid's chemistry sets.

The Liberator only has to fire once or twice, if used to obtain better weaponry from the opposition.

60 42 My MSNBC-loving Father's been freaking out over 3D printed guns for months now, wanting 3D printers banned because of them. It's a chore to be around him.
Posted by: Pyrocles at May 10, 2013 11:50 AM (cv5Iw)

yeah, tell him you read on the interweb that guys in Georgia are printin' off hand grenades and claymore mines.

 And they printed off a functioning robot Ronald Reagan in a bunker in Wyoming at the Haliburton complex where they 3-D printed off Cheney's new heart... 

61 So... the left is all 'yay science!' when they think the science is on their team, but they get all 'boo science!' when it appears the science is on the other team?

The mental gymnastics required to be a liberal are astounding...

62

>>How about some 3-D gonads?

 

Balls are beautiful.

63 I guess we will need downloadable internet files on chewing pop tarts into fully functional firearms now.

64 Yes, but has Cody Wilson made a video about Mohammad?  That's what I want to know.

65 Posted by: Yip at May 10, 2013 11:54 AM (/jHWN) The "changing of the guard" ceremomy at Arlington is something every American should witness. Words can't do it justice.

66 You can make a better weapon than the "Liberator" from the Army's field manuals, and they don't require a 3-D printer.

67 it would seem that the left is much more interested in using these events to justify their long march towards top-down, authoritarian control


The deuce you say! 

68 @56 The federal government does not have the authority to tell any person who resides in the several states they cannot fabricate and disseminate the plans for a firearm. 1st and 2nd ammendments apply. The fact that they have granted themselves this authority is another matter all together.

69
Now he likely has standing for any number of legal actions.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2013 11:38 AM (TIIx5)

He has an FFL. The plans explicitly add a slug of metal to make it detectable.

Only tyrants could charge him.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 10, 2013 11:47 AM (52n2x)

True. Yet I was thinking more in terms of Wilson and DD having suffered a legal injury from the DoS action, giving them standing to file suit. Some of the AoS sharks.....errr, lawyers should probably chime in on the details of how that would work, I'm just a moron.

70 Right. "Merely" using military .308 machine gun ammo instead of .308 civilian can cause a pressure disaster in guns made out of steel. Lots of stupid crap happens in reloading.
Anything but .22 rimfire in a plastic gun seemsfairly suicidal.

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Yup.... and guess what....  There are thousands of places you can download detailed drawings of just about every chamber ever manufactured that meets SAMMI specs for a given caliber.   Hell you can RENT the reamers from Brownells. 


But 3D printers.   Ban those puppies.

71

If you're talking cetnerfire/rimfire, OK maybe. But pellet guns are at the point where I wouldn't want to be hit with one either, and those run on compressed air. It's not too far out to imagine a printable pellet gun that runs on those small CO2 cartridges, or for that matter other commonly available compress gas containers. And the pellets could be easily made.

 

Back in the late 18th century, the Austrians came of with a military air gun and used it for sniping. I don't think it was particularly effective, but it freaked out the French to the point that Napoleon threatened to hang any Austrian soldier captured while using one.

 

With CO2 cartridges available, it shouldn't be hard to improve on the Austrians' design.

72 I'm designing a 3D printer  that  prints  out  tar  and  feathers.

73 AtC, from previous thread.... You doubt my nobilityness in the offer of alcohol? And the story is 100% true. I'll share it at some point if you want.

74

Next up, Jihadi Forums...

just kidding. 

Obama would never infringe on a fellow muslim's jihad.

75 We reserve the right to arm criminals and terrorists!

76 Anyone watching Fox?  We have Marines in Spain on alert for possible deployment to Libya. 

The hell?

77 From what one of buddies at work says, it's probably even cheaper to get a cheap computerized CNC machine than a 3D printer. After you have that it isn't that big of a step to turn out, oh, an AR lower.
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$500 for a mini-mill from Harbor Freight. Lots of instructions on the internet on how to turn that into a mini-CNC mill.

78 I want the code for 3-D torches and pitch forks then...  I'll be right with ya Roy..

79 ITAR is a bullshit set of laws that needs to go the fuck away.

It's also a taxation racket.  If you have an FFL 06 license to make and sell ammo, you get stuck with almost three grand a year in "fees" because of ITAR.  Doesn't matter if you never intend to sell overseas, you still have to pony up the money to the Feds.

80

I've seen different stories on this... WHO shut them down?  I've heard State Dept. under Export laws... and DOD who supposedly classified it (which is problematic as there is no new technolgy here, and I'm not sure you can involuntarily classify somthing you do not own... )...

 

This is a Property Rights, and Free Speech issue.... so just where, IN THE CONSTITUTION, does it say the Federal Government can order this guy to take this down?

 

Oh... and he also owns it under CopyRight Law....

81 Cody Wilson kind of reminds me of  Breitbart  and  O'Keefe.  It's almost like a   Jedi  mind-trick thing with them.

82

Anyone watching Fox? We have Marines in Spain on alert for possible deployment to Libya.
The hell?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2013 12:02 PM (lVPtV)

 

 

Finally!

83

Genie.

Bottle.

 

84 $500 for a mini-mill from Harbor Freight. Lots of instructions on the internet on how to turn that into a mini-CNC mill. Much, much easier to just use a drill press and buy the jigs for the 80% lowers.

85 $500 for a mini-mill from Harbor Freight. Lots of instructions on the internet on how to turn that into a mini-CNC mill.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 10, 2013 12:03 PM (VjL9S)

 

The CNC is fine for production. Be advised that having a CNC machine doesn't make you a machinist. The machine has no skill. And without the skills, the machine is an anchor.

86 83 Anyone watching Fox? We have Marines in Spain on alert for possible deployment to Libya.  

The hell?  
 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2013 12:02 PM (lVPtV)

 

 

Yes.... seeeeee.... we are deploying Military to Libya to help those poor Americans in Benghazi....

 

Is it our fault the Military took so long.... sequest ya know...

87
Yes it would be cheaper currently to build your own without the 3d printer, but eventually most people will have one in their home building all kinds of stuff.  This is just the early adopters doing their thing.

88 >We have Marines in Spain on alert for possible deployment to Libya. The hell? Quick! Give the media something else to talk about!

89 The federal government does not have the authority to tell any person who resides in the several states they cannot fabricate and disseminate the plans for a firearm.

If they're disseminating that information to persons in Iran or a half-dozen other hostile states, they can. 

90 This administration is keeping me in a constant state of rage.

Ugh.

91 94 Yes.... seeeeee.... we are deploying Military to Libya to help those poor Americans in Benghazi....

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When seconds count, the Department of State is only 8 months away.

92 We have Marines in Spain on alert for possible deployment to Libya. The hell? I would hate to be working in a Libyan aspirin factory today...

93 Wag the dog ... here we go again

94

Back in the late 18th century, the Austrians came of with a military air gun and used it for sniping. I don't think it was particularly effective, but it freaked out the French to the point that Napoleon threatened to hang any Austrian soldier captured while using one.

With CO2 cartridges available, it shouldn't be hard to improve on the Austrians' design.

 

Grey Fox at May 10, 2013 12:02 PM

 

 

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Actually, Lewis and Clark had a .44 cal air rifle on their expedition.  They used it for hunting and did pretty well with it.  The Austrians didn't have Gaston Glock around yet to help with their design, but agreed that a contemporary design air rifle/pistol would not be a slouch.

 

95 With CO2 cartridges available, it shouldn't be hard to improve on the Austrians' design.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 10, 2013 12:02 PM (XQsSC)

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Another little BATF twist in the rules.   Compress air rifles are excluded from the BATF purview...... at this time. 

I know of several large bore air rifles suitable for hunting larger game.   No background check, no restrictions on ownership.

96 This administration is keeping me in a constant state of rage. Ugh. Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2013 12:07 PM (lVPtV) Hate keeps me going. I live on hate now a days.

97
Putting US Armed Forces in Europe on alert for possible action in Libya is another Obama ploy to make it appear he is in control and prepared to act. Does anyone believe Obama would actually commit to a hostile environ?

Pussies always lead from behind, and we have Big Pussy as CiC.

98 I fully support this effort. We need to make the acquisition of weapons beyond the ability of Governments and Liberals to infringe.

99 ITAR is a bullshit set of laws that needs to go the fuck away.

Yeah, there's really no good reason I shouldn't be allowed to sell weapons software to Iran or Syria or North Korea, 'cause C code is copyrighted free speech, amirite?!

100 Argument against the government action: The patent laws say that anyone not giving the United States six months to look at applications to see if they are of military utility before filing elsewhere simply does not get a patent. Not that the idea is prohibited from distribution in general. And the principle behind this should be clear--a patent is not a license to distribute, but a license to prevent others from distributing. This is a time-honored bedrock principle-- an American citizen does not need permission from government to develop technology. Period. And since it is time-honored, it is part of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, a right retained by the people, and no mere law can trump an amendment. Therefore, the bedrock principle of this land is that the people in general do not require positive Federal government approval in order to act in general. There is no general Federal business license. Further--On this blueprint matter, DD was not engaged in either domestic or international commerce, was not applying for a patent application, but was simply giving away something, a right also retained by the people via the Ninth and Tenth, and if DD was elsewhise engaged in activities that require Federal government concurrence or where the Federal government is granted oversight, an additional implied right retained by the people by the Ninth and Tenth is that the Federal government may only accept or reject items before it based upon the facts of that particular case itself, and not a desire to influence behavior in non-pertinent arenas. Since the right to "squeeze" the people in order to influence behavior on non-directly relevant items is not a right granted Congress in Art. I, Sections 8 and 9, the people, via the Ninth and Tenth, retain the right to be free of such coercive attempts. Therefore, the government has zero right to act in this case. Prepare.

101 Putting US Armed Forces in Europe on alert for possible action in Libya is another Obama ploy to make it appear he is in control and prepared to act. Does anyone believe Obama would actually commit to a hostile environ? Pussies always lead from behind, and we have Big Pussy as CiC. Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 10, 2013 12:08 PM (1lQzY) This

102 Does anyone believe Obama would actually commit to a hostile environ?


I do.  He'd do it now that he's safely elected.  "See," he'd say, "I'm protecting our interests abroad, and projecting American power."

103 I plan to print up a paintball gun that shoots flaming balls of sulfuric acid. It'll be a   big   hit at redneck cookouts.

104

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 10, 2013 12:02 PM (XQsSC)

 

Lewis and Clark had an Aurtrian Air Rifle on their Expedition.... when they met a new tribe, they would put on their uniforms, and give a demonstration of the rifle...

 

The indians, who knew about black powerder muzzle loaders... did not know that they only had ONE.... and so left them alone...

 

The rifle was VERY effective... more powerful than a standard muzzle loader... and could fire multiple rounds before it needed to be refilled... problem was that the idea of interchangable parts had not happened yet, so they were very difficult to maintain and repair...

105 Something curious that occurred to me. I have this file. I downloaded it last night, from a link that was actually provided by someone in the comments section of the Defense Distributed site. I checked it out. There's a couple of nice, full readmes in there...

...and an additional readme...in Chinese.

Is it just possible that the reason the State Department is clamping down on this not because of pure anti-gun sentiment(for which I'm sure the ATF could throw its weight around)...but perhaps a worry that the plans will head east, and possibly get into the hands of citizens in a tyrannical Communist regime that we just happen to be best buds with, in terms of trade?

Trust me, I'm not trying to give the Benghazi Bullshitters the benefit of the doubt. However, the inclusion of the Chinese readme is incredibly curious.

106 I imagine 3 D printers will be most popular among the sex toy aficiandos.  

107 The federal government does not have the authority to tell any person who resides in the several states they cannot fabricate and disseminate the plans for a firearm. Posted by: kreplach at May 10, 2013 12:00 PM (hjRtO)

Really?

I'm unaware of the clause in the Constitution where it says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear and manufacture arms shall not be infringed."

And this fits within the ITAR regime.  You can bitch about it, but it's not some capricious power grab. 

108
The federal government does not have the authority to tell any person who resides in the several states they cannot fabricate and disseminate the plans for a firearm.

Posted by: kreplach




Can and does -- if that firearm or its plans is or may be distributed overseas:

Directorate of DEFENSE TRADE CONTROLS
Division VI - Small Weapons and Firearms
(USML Commodity Categories I, II, III and X)

Now clearly, the impetus for this particular action isn't really fear of North Korea getting advanced Liberator technology.  It's part of the Great Gun Grab. But the Feds do have legal cover.  That's why the designer is really mostly interested in forcing a test case to define how broad those powers are.

109
On Libya:  See that guy that was leading the attack is just hanging around in the open in Tripoli and now that the heat is on the WH they have to go get him to change the subject (plus he may have knowledge of something or other so he must also die).

110

We have Marines in Spain on alert for possible deployment to Libya.

The hell?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2013 12:02 PM (lVPtV)

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Just making sure your hash said this year.  

I know there is an ongoing problem with militias flying al Qaeda flags over everything and shutting down government functions at will in Libya, but getting in their ongoing civil war seems a bit crazy.

 

If it's a punitive raid on Ansar al-Sharia, probably best to call it off if  you and  I know about it beforehand.  

111 Does anyone believe Obama would actually commit to a hostile environ?

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Well.... to be fair.... he did go to Texas this week.....

112 @98 He's not. He's putting it on the internet. Quick let's shut down the inter tubes bad men might learn how to make a plastic gun.

113 Law abiding citizens become safer as firearms become cheaper and more plentiful. 3D firearms threaten only criminals and an unjust government.

Btw over at the DEFCAD forums there's talk that the feds are invoking ITAR.

114 The federal government does not have the authority ability to tell stop any person who resides in the several states they cannot fabricate and disseminate the plans for a firearm.

Posted by: kreplach

FIFY

115 Much, much easier to just use a drill press and buy the jigs for the 80% lowers.

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2013 12:05 PM (FcR7P)

There are 80% lower parties where a guy brings the machinery for a fee and three or four guys use it over a weekend. All strictly legal.

116 Drudge's new headline. Another reason to vomit. IRS ADMITS TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS; APOLOGIZES specifically tea party and patriots...

117 Yeah Gaylord's trip to Texas, like every other vacation of his.  Screwed up the regular folks plans, including tossing a grenade at flight schedules and making people miss connections.

118 Maybe they can program a 3-D printer to produce a gay NBA player possessing playing skills and stats worth talking about. Not like the "What ruse can I use to extend my unexceptional playing career for another year or two?" poseur who had gheydom all a-twitter two weeks ago.

119 $500 for a mini-mill from Harbor Freight. Lots of instructions on the internet on how to turn that into a mini-CNC mill.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 10, 2013 12:03 PM (VjL9S) The CNC is fine for production. Be advised that having a CNC machine doesn't make you a machinist. The machine has no skill. And without the skills, the machine is an anchor.
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I know. But practice does.

That's my next project; getting a mini-CNC mill up and running, with an old dedicated computer with a basic CAD program to run it.

Not for guns really, but to make parts and build shit; a new hobby for when I finish my other projects.

120 It also doesn't say "keep and bear arms as long as those arms are made by someone else."  Posted by: Jay Carney at May 10, 2013 12:13 PM (tWmgi)

True 'dat.  But the SCOTUS has recognized reasonable limits on firearms.  This issue is always that the gun grabbers are unreasonable, which is why they are so frequently thwarted.

But I think there's a pretty good legal, and public policy case for not allowing unfettered access to undetectable guns to guys named "Mohammad"

Jus' sayin'

121 @86 
Damn straight it is a tax racket.  Looked at a sideline business in making fmj bullets using swaging equipment.  You can make fair plinking bullets using 22 rimfire casing for the fmj on .223 bullets. 
After researching this, not willing to pay the 3K per year for the privilege along with the local zoning issues.  Yes, even casting lead bullets using the latest military technology from the 1700's and selling them gets you covered by the ITAR regulations.  It is almost like the Govt don't want you making these things and selling them. 

122 There's a great article Instapundit linked earlier about how the government has wrecked the gas can.  In addition to the light bulb, the washing machine, soap, etc.  All in the name of protecting us.
http://bit.ly/IT9qBK

123

>>>IRS ADMITS TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS; APOLOGIZES

 

 

...they point to "lower-level" employees in Cincy.   follow the money.    I bet it ends up in Valerie Jarrett's pocket.

124

Actually, Lewis and Clark had a .44 cal air rifle on their expedition. They used it for hunting and did pretty well with it. The Austrians didn't have Gaston Glock around yet to help with their design, but agreed that a contemporary design air rifle/pistol would not be a slouch.

 

The Austrian gun was a variant design on the Italian piece that L and C had, IIRC.

I don't think that the air gun was as powerful as a comparable muzzleloader, but it could be fired very rapidly, was silent, and had some power - there was a negligent discharge right before they set out that grazed a woman at about sixty yards and knocked her out (she recovered).

125 Mega Millions jackpot tonight - $154 million annuity.
Powerball jackpot tomorrow - $270 million annuity.

Could afford a real nice machine shop on an island with that much bread.

126 131 Drudge's new headline. Another reason to vomit. IRS ADMITS TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS; APOLOGIZES specifically tea party and patriots... Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2013 12:15 PM (XYSwB) APOLOGY NOT ACCEPTED. Craniums on plates will suffice, however.

127 Drudge's new headline. Another reason to vomit. IRS ADMITS TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS; APOLOGIZES specifically tea party and patriots... Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2013 12:15 PM (XYSwB) Does anyone doubt that the National Socialists would wage a Kristallnacht against us if they could?

128

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 10, 2013 12:12 PM (kdS6q)

 

Uh.... he's not trading weapons...

 

He's making the plans available to Americans...

 

Now... he just HAPPENS to be making them available to the rest of the world as well... but can he be stopped from making them available to AMERICANS?

 

Hmmm.... maybe... yeah.... a Big Banner at the top... saying if you are NOT a US Citizen, you can't download it???  Kinda like the Gun Free zone crap they think will stop a mass murderer from hitting a school?

129 I'm glad we've been appropriately chided, Andy.

Now make with the 'IRSS' thread so I can get my rant on.

130 I seem to remember courts ruling that source code is protected speech so, not just a second amendment infringment but also on the first amendment. Also, besides the Liberator file. There is also a megapack of all of DefDist's parts files. It's available on file sharing sites. But, the Feds seems to have removed those files from DefDist's site.

131 Does anyone doubt that the National Socialists would wage a Kristallnacht against us if they could?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 10, 2013 12:18 PM (bb5+k)

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Thus.... all the grabbing of the guns.

Dovetails.

132 Velly good. We stop samizdat by banning mimeograph. Velly good!

133 Hey Sean, did you get my updated phone number? The other phone doesn't text well.

134

Honestly, ammo I think is likely to be more of a problem than rigging up something to fire it.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 10, 2013 11:43 AM (XQsSC)

Agreed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 10, 2013 11:44 AM (XIxXP)

 

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Nonsense.  John Malkovich was able to hide two .38 Supers in a rabbit's foot keychain when  he went to assassinate the president with his plastic gun.

135 Hey Sean, did you get my updated phone number? The other phone doesn't text well. Posted by: Jean at May 10, 2013 12:20 PM (CMlD4)

Yup.   Got it.

136 "...it would seem that the left is much more interested in using these events to justify their long march towards top-down, authoritarian control than it is in any of the particulars."

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"Gun Control" has always been much more about "Control" than about "Guns".

137 Background checks to buy 3-D printers. See how easy?

138 Have the Fed used ITAR to remove information from websites before? Because that's a truly scary slope, are going to have to be responsible for have country filter on our websites, and tech data licenses on file for every permitted country for routine hardware, like a computer painted green?

139

I hear they are remaking  The Graduate.

 

They are replacing the famous quote  "one word. plastics"   with    "two words.  3D Printers"

140
He's not. He's putting it on the internet.
Posted by: kreplach



And that's the legal principle the designer is trying to test, general vs specific distribution. And that's where he's going to fail. The Feds have an established power to regulate the transfer of weapons, components, plans and directly related science and technology overseas. 

And since once something is on the internet is can go overseas: Game Set Match.

141

Apologies if this has been said before.

 

Compare this with how the left feels about teenagers and sex.

 

They are going to do it anyway.  Why fight it?  Just teach them how to be safe.

 

...but then they approve of teenagers having sex.

142 But the SCOTUS has recognized reasonable limits on firearms.
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And fuck them too.

They have no more authority than any other branch of the government to restrict our natural, God-given rights.

We need to remember that whole "consent of the governed" thing applies to ALL branches of the government.

Such a con, that just because one branch of the government blesses the unconstitutional acts of another branch of the government that makes it ok.

143 1 Fist

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at May 10, 2013 11:35 AM (XvrTA)

Ooooohhhhh! That will make Barney Frank's day. Or did you mean "first"?

144 And if it may please the court... I wil argue that no American citizen in general requires a FFL to *develop* a gun design, and the example I offer is David Marshall Williams, "Carbine Williams", inventor of the short-stroke piston for the WWII M-1 carbine, who did large portions of the design work while serving a sentence for murder (later commuted). The M-1 carbine, of course, was massively adopted by the United States Armed Forces, despite Mr. Williams' pedigree. Thus, the idea of someone not legally entitled to own guns nevertheless developing them has recieved official sanction before, and this precedent predates any attempt to allow only those agreeing to Federal government restrictions to develop arms. Thus, given the massive tradition of arms development by unregulated individuals during the history of the United States, and the necessity of gunsmiths to guns, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms implying a right to develop and maintain arms, I thus argue there is a traditional right to at least *develop* guns in the United States without government sanction, amply backed up by actual practice, and thus the right to do so is guaranteed by the Second, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments (the last two giving people access to rights long held), that it is a civil right, and that any law trying to curtail that right must fall under special scrutiny and be allowed only under the most extenuating of circumstances.

145 If I manufacture a weapon for Eric Holder's Fast & Furious program is it classified as undetectable?

146

Click the link in my nick, or at least hover your mouse.  I  have not actually read that yet.  

 

Ah....

Mmmm.....

How to put this.  That should not happen to the best and bravest people in America who actually, as opposed to people just saying it inappropriately, "paid the ultimate price." 

Did not even curse  or  fulminate  once.  Computer spittle free.   

147 Whoa.

A bit off-topic.  Following a link at Glenn Reynold's site (below the Bill Whittle link), I read a NYT column devoted to Karl Rove's Liberty Works data management deal with the RNC.  The NYT columnist explicitly quoted multiple FreeRepublic COMMENTERS by userid.  That's something.

148 Would now be a bad time to mention that Mrs VIA is really tightening up her groupings with a 9mm HK?
More and more comfortable every Thursday during Ladies Day at the range.
Pretty sure she will be ordering her own gun here within about 30 days.

Anyone ever been smacked in the face by a paintball from about five foot away, traveling at 300FPS?
Could come in handy inside a home, if there was enough warning.

Mrs VIA is up to about 12RPS in semi-auto with that particular toy of hers.

149

Could afford a real nice machine shop on an island with that much bread.

 

And a foreman!

 

I'm trying to come up with a suitable   logo for Alextopia's Machining Services.

150 COB'S

IRS THREAD NOW!

151 seeding.

dl took yeah like 3 seconds.

go arrest the internet, Schumer you piece of shit.

152 NICS transaction volume is the only poll anyone needs on the subject. We're all going to be laughing when we realize this was all an elaborate tripple dipple super secret false flag setup, and Barack Obama reveals in his departing speech that he's actually a majority shareholder in Sig Sauer, and with his 8 years of record profits and dividends, he's buying Detroit. I hope that speech is closed in true Marion Barry fashion with a "Get over it, Whitey*". Can someone check the Ward 8 style guide and let me know if he meant that to be capitalized or not when he said it? Sigh. Alternate realities can be fun momentarily.

153 130 CADOJ has declared build parties illegal.  The process takes about 9 minutes per.

154 I offer is David Marshall Williams, "Carbine Williams", inventor of the short-stroke piston for the WWII M-1 carbine, who did large portions of the design work while serving a sentence for murder

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WWII was such a loooong time ago.

155 Posted by: Grey Fox at May 10,2013 12:02 PM (XQsSC) For that matter, Lewis and Clark used air rifles for both hunting and protection on their expedition.

156 @135 What is a reasonable limit on an unalienable right? As someone else has said, I know that the second amendment isn't as clear as the abortion rights provisions of the constitution but shall not be infringed means just that.

157 Ace gets results.  Drudge has link that announces a new NBC news chief.  She's a Brit.

Glenn Reynolds also has a link to an article about Bloomberg (company) reporters having considerable access to customer's Bloomberg terminals and private information.

158 Cody Wilson should have done his videos in Arabic. He'd still be in business.

159

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl

The fuck did you just write?

160 I'm trying to come up with a suitable logo for Alextopia's Machining Services.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 10, 2013 12:26 PM (+z4pE)

 

 

 

I  believe  Keebler  has  the  elf  logo  copyrighted.

161 I'm trying to come up with a suitable logo for Alextopia's Machining Services. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 10, 2013 12:26 PM (+z4pE)


Raptors rampant over a field of hipsters. 

162  COB'S

IRS THREAD NOW!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 10, 2013 12:27 PM (YTstp)

 

The cobloggers are essential to this blog and this blog is essential to the conservative cause.  The conservative cause is essential to the United States of America.  I for one will not idly sit here while you bad mouth   the  United States of America! 

 

You sir should be banned.

163

Hang on to your seats.

 

A pack of pit bulls mauled a jogger to death in L.A.  Shocking, right?

 

Why we have not exterminated that breed is beyond me.

164 Have the Fed used ITAR to remove information from websites before? As I recall, they used it to (try ineffectually to) block encryption software back in the nineties. It led to people putting a graphic in their web pages that described some encryption software. (See link in name.) If it wasnÂ’t ITAR, it was something similar.

165 Why'd they confess now? That's not a big enough squirrel to distort a whole weekend news lack of cycle.

166 171 130 CADOJ has declared build parties illegal. The process takes about 9 minutes per.
Posted by: DAve at May 10, 2013 12:28 PM (XDC0v)

Thanks for the updated info. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out a work-around for that.

167 182 Hang on to your seats. A pack of pit bulls mauled a jogger to death in L.A. Shocking, right? Why we have not exterminated that breed is beyond me. Huh? Violent homo sapiens do crazy shit all the time - should we exterminate that breed too? Exterminate pit bulls and sick motherfuckers will abuse and put into dogfighting competitions rottweilers. Exterminate rottweilers and sick motherfuckers will abuse St Bernards. Exterminate those and at some point, you can hang out with your chinese crested that just sits there and shivers, but again - someone could train one of those to attack someone too. It ain't the breed.

168 137 There's a great article Instapundit linked earlier about how the government has wrecked the gas can. In addition to the light bulb, the washing machine, soap, etc. All in the name of protecting us.
http://bit.ly/IT9qBK
Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at May 10, 2013 12:16 PM (lhX9P

Ok, I already knew about the gas can cause I bought two a few years back and they are horrid by design.  

I now think I want my 3-D printed jerry-can or a proper spout and a vent.

169 "I now think I want my 3-D printed jerry-can or a proper spout and a vent."

LOL.  Nice.

170

Hello everyone way up there from a little Aussie insomniac Down Here

OT alert

 

Who the hell is Jodi Arias???

 

 I'm watching Fox News here and I'm thinking that Jodi Arias (who?) and that vile bloke who kidnapped those girls is all that has happened in the US

 

My thinking ...what your beloved President and his sidekick the lovely Hillary did to those US staff in Libya trumps anything else

 

They lied, they covered up, they actually fibbed to the rellies of those killed AND they have a political prisoner in that film maker....

 

Just imagine if a Republican President had been in

 

OK Now Fox is covering the media bias....

 

 

171 "A pack of pit bulls mauled a jogger to death in L.A. Shocking, right? "

No..."An African American mother, and her same sex life partner were assaulted by a pack of pit-bulls this morning while hitting softballs in the park. The mother was able to defend herself by firing her legally carried semi-automatic pistol at the pack. injuring three of them and killing one more while emptying her 13 round magazine at them. The mother credits her survival to the Affordable handgun act, passed by Republicans in 2014, which thru government subsidies allowed financially challenged women to  legally purchase the weapon,as well as her thanks to the NRA for offering her a free firearms safety course to allow her to own and operate the handgun safely" would be a shocker.

172

130 CADOJ has declared build parties illegal. The process takes about 9 minutes per.
Posted by: DAve at May 10, 2013 12:28 PM (XDC0v)


Thanks for the updated info. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out a work-around for that.

 

Just call it a LGBT Hardware Party.  The Kali bigwigs will both encourage it and not want to even think about investigating the goings on at the same time.

173 192 They're ok with you using your own machine.  I know- it doesn't make any sense: surprised?

174 It ain't the breed.

 

Posted by: at May 10, 2013 12:36 PM (Vgn84)

 

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Oh, yes it is.  I saw a study a couple of years ago that collated all the news accounts of  dog attacks, whether by a single dog or a pack  of dogs.  Pit bulls were not the breed with the most incidents of biting,  which is understandable because they are by no means the  widest-owned  breed.

 

However, of dog attacks that ended in a fatality,  almost every one of them involved  a pit bull,  or a pack of dogs in which a pit bull is a member.

 

Everyone says, "It's not the breed"  until the next instance of a toddler or neighbor being maimed or killed by the family pitbull.  Were all of these families raising them for dog fights?  No.  A sixty-pound pit bull is almost more than your average 180 lb man can handle.  Two of them - you don't stand a chance.

 

To my mind, keeping these animals as pets is every bit as dumb an idea as keeping a 15 foot constrictor - once they've decided you're food, it's too late.

 

Never own an animal you can't kill with your bare hands, if necessary.

175 194  sadly, EOJ is correct

176
There's a great article Instapundit linked earlier about how the government has wrecked the gas can.
Posted by: Nate in New Orleans



"An ominous regulatory announcement from the EPA came in 2007"

Another fine product from The House of Bush.

177 Don't forget, there are many youtube videos on how to construct firearms.

Oh, and if you want to screw the media/hollywood, purchase a Blu Ray BD-ROM Burner about $70. Then buy AnyDvD HD ($70) and download Imgburn (free). You then get 50GB Blu Ray disks or a big harddrive. A big hardrive can be cheaper per MB (4TB for $190 at Newegg) and go to town.

178 Hello Future Underground Criminal Class of Entrepreneurial Machinists. Yes, meant to do that.

179 194 Never own an animal you can't kill with your bare hands, if necessary. idk, I kinda like my horses. YMMV. Next up on "Absolute Friday..."

180

@190 aussie

"They lied, they covered up, they actually fibbed to the rellies of those killed AND they have a political prisoner in that film maker...."

 

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In order to actually understand this scandal it helps to be half a planet away from US media.  

181 Posted by: RoyalOil at May 10, 2013 12:24 PM (VjL9S) Even Scalia agrees there are limits to firearms. The Founders messed up. Should have said "whatever the military is allowed, a private citizen is allowed".

182 The government will see the 100K downloads and make law that people have to register all the 3D printers. Not just the printer but the "ink" plastic one has to buy. Just how many of the 100K+ have the ability to make this gun. There might be 1K of the 3D printers in private hands able to make it in the world. More so if you can not even get the program to read what a 3D print file looks like unless you get a 3D printer. The CAD file will not open unless the program can locate a 3D printer.

If the the plans how to build a nuke was leaked no one would have the uranium to do anything with it and even those that can, it will take many years to get the right type of uranium to have it work.

183

idk, I kinda like my horses. YMMV.

Next up on "Absolute Friday..."

 

Posted by: at May 10, 2013 12:47 PM (Vgn84)

 

Are you sure you want to make that comparison?  Tell me - how many attacks on humans by horses can you find?

 

Because I can Google "horse attacked by pitbulls" and find three incidents that occured in February, one  of which involved the same horse getting attacked twice by pitbulls, and sadly dying.

 

Can your horses  access your child's room?  Get into its crib and chew it's arms and legs off?  Rip open its throat?  Has that EVER happened?

184 194

Never own an animal you can't kill with your bare hands, if necessary.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 10, 2013 12:43 PM (CJjw5)

You are one heckuva an advocate for pet ownership. Can we also apply that philosophy to roommates?

185 38 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2012...not all of which were Pits, of course. I think that came from dogsbite.org. And people want to exterminate an entire breed...to save some fraction of 38 lives. This really - no, *really* sounds like something right out of the Left's playbook on gun control. Sorry, man. Just gotta call it what it is - an overreaction of biblical proportions calling for extermination of entire breed of dogs - to save a couple dozen lives a year. What are your thoughts on cars? I know they're inamimate, but they kill so many more orders of magnitude of Americans than dogs...?

186 "You are one heckuva an advocate for pet ownership. Can we also apply that philosophy to roommates?"

Let's try....
Never own an animal that you, or your room-mate can't kill with your bare hands, if necessary.

Hey, it works!

187 Again, it's ironic, EoJ, that this very thread starts with an article featuring this quote: "This core problem with the left's predictable BAN ALL THE THINGS! response to events like Newtown is that it's wildly unrealistic as a solution to the problem they purport to address." Maybe that's what got me thinking down this line of reasoning.

188 Never own an animal you can't kill with your bare hands, if necessary.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 10, 2013 12:43 PM (CJjw5)

 

 

 

That sorta limits the sort of livestock you might be able to keep around. Do you plan to eat rabbit all your life?

189 206 "You are one heckuva an advocate for pet ownership. Can we also apply that philosophy to roommates?"

Let's try....
Never own an animal that you, or your room-mate can't kill with your bare hands, if necessary.

Hey, it works!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2013 12:57 PM (10U4R)

I don't know about you but based on some of the roommates I had before meeting my wife, the philosophy really should be expanded beyond animals and applied directly to roommates, especially when they pilfer your food, alcohol, money, etc. One rat bastard roommate of mine broke my Steve Miller "Greatest Hits" cassette back in '89.

190

What are your thoughts on cars? I know they're inamimate, but they kill so many more orders of magnitude of Americans than dogs...?

 

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Would you like to know my thoughts on strawmen, instead?

 

You're comfortable with keeping pitbulls in the house, even with small children - that's your responsibility.  I do not have the same appetite for risk where my children are concerned.  Nor do I wish  to accept the liability for what happens to some poor woman out for a jog and my dog gets loose.

 

It is sticking your head in the sand to pretend that these are not dangerous animals with the capacity for  extreme violence, that you take into your home as a pet.  Violence that the average grown adult would be defenseless against.  This is the same reason it's a bad idea to keep wolves, chimpanzees, lions, tigers, bears, honey badgers and wolverines as  pets.  Because they just don't give a fuck. 

 

 

191

Again, it's ironic, EoJ, that this very thread starts with an article featuring this quote:

"This core problem with the left's predictable BAN ALL THE THINGS! response to events like Newtown is that it's wildly unrealistic as a solution to the problem they purport to address."

Maybe that's what got me thinking down this line of reasoning.

 

Posted by: at May 10, 2013 12:58 PM (Vgn84)

 

Have I said to ban all dogs?  All pets? 

 

Pit bulls didn't pop into existence.  They were bred with specific characteristics in mind.  Characteristics that make them a bad idea to keep as pets. 

192 '@28 "So how much does a 3D printer cost vs a trip to Home Depot? This is goofy, I tell ya. Goofy."

Kinda missing the point of the whole exercise there, chief. This is a political protest, not an engineering session.'

Exactly. It's also about asserting the government's "rights" before it becomes easily possible with this technology to make some guns in a cost effective manner. Per a 3D printer reseller I know, you can get a cheap 3D printer for under $2K, but those can't produce parts that are good for more than visualization. You know, to show to marketing dweebs bereft of the ability to visualize a product. When 3D printers first came out in the late 80s, the cost was at least $30k, most a lot more. The more capable 3D printer and resin that can produce this gun is $8k. Not exactly Moore's Law at work, but its easy to see where its headed.  I wonder what implied threats were made to the law student who headed up this project.

193 You're comfortable with keeping pitbulls in the house, even with small children - that's your responsibility. Fuck that shit. I don't want any human offspring near me or my home. At all. No thanks. I have zero need for any of that bullshit or the bullshit that comes with them near my home. I'm not sure where you came up with the fact that I want anything to do with small children - because I don't. And no, I don't own a Pit either. Nor do I want to see them "exterminated". This is my only point here. Because someone's going to take your extermination precedent and apply it to Weimerainers next, who I do love dearly and wish to share my life with again one day. They were originally bred for castrating wild deer - no way some leftist won't be able to stretch that into "bred to kill" also.

194 Slappy
I'm going with EoJ on this one.
Pretty clear that he wasn't talking about farms, ranches, circuses and such.
But he does build a good argument against the potential dangers of bringing a specific breed into close proximity with children.

But I do understand the room-mate from hell scenario, and could conceivably get on board with burying the body in an isolated location.
Course, it would be a bitch to go shallow, and have a neighbors pit-bull dig it up, and drag it home.

195 214 he does build a good argument against the potential dangers of bringing a specific breed into close proximity with children. Any human with capacity for rational thought should know this. I'm not sure I'd let a boxer or most terriers hang out with a newborn either. Well, fucking Duh. Guess what - there are quite a few Americans who own several homes that have no human offspring within them. I'd hazard a guess that there are more such homes than those that do have human offspring within them. He's building an argument for extermination of an entire breed - right out of the left's playbook. And it's still not going to solve the problem - irresponsible people do irresponsible shit with their property...all the fucking time. Pick anything that 80% of us use day in and day out without issue, and there's some stupid motherfucker out there abusing it. The answer isn't to deprive everyone of the right to use their shit, it's to prosecute the irresponsible idiots. Christ. Are you folks sure you're really pro-2A? This was a passing comment - but do people really believe that an entire breed should be destroyed because some irresponsible people do irresponsible shit with their property? And who's side are people that believe that Government exterminating or banning something is the answer to wh.... aw, fuck it. It's Friday.

196

You know who hates children?

 

LEFTISTS.

 

Seriously.  That's how ridiculous the constant "You're a flaming liberal because we disagree on this issue" sounds.

197 I'd never call you a liberal, man. Fuck, that's bad shit. Seriously. Check my history. One thing I don't do is call anyone names. Conservatives occasionally take a page out of the other side's playbook, sometimes inadvertantly. I think you're doing so here. I'm pointing out what I find to be flaws in your logic and comparing your argument to the same arguments we all destroy on a daily basis about the left's push to ban guns and anything else they don't like. When I compare them, I find similarities. You're not a liberal, nor am I. Well, socially I am at times I guess. And frankly, this discussion all sounds pretty civil. And now that I think of it and since I'm not fond of children, where precisely were you going with that?

198 "The people should not fear the government, the government should fear the people"

199

I wasn't going anywhere.  I'm pointing out that I see the tactic of disagreeing on one issue (pitbulls) and extending it to other, unrelated issues (cars, guns)  and then going into "Are you sure you're really pro-2A?"

 

Not germane to the discussion.  I've established my own  conservative bonafides to my own satisfaction, and ulitmately, I am the controlling authority on me. 

 

Also not implying anything about  your proclivities.  Pit bulls were created.  I think they should be un-created because they are a bad idea either as pets or to be set free into the wild.

200

What the fuck do we CALL you, anyway?  You have no name.  Why do you have to be so difficult?

 

201 lmfao...I'm socking the guy Zorg talks to in Fifth Element. It just feels right. My name is nothing but closed html tags. You're the world's leading expert on who you are and what you know, as am I with me, no arguments there. I remain convinced that bored irresponsible idiots with no value for animal (or human) life will seek their entertainment elsewhere if we eradicate this breed. Then we'll have to go after ferrets. Then weasels. Shit, work. Back to this later....sigh

202 On the other hand, this certainly explains the rash of school children suspended for using digits or food pieces as munitions.
I'm only surprised that none of them have been sent to Gitmo.

203 Apologies for the technical ignorance, but I wonder if someone might offer me an answer.

I'm using Firefox and Avast, and when I try to download the file from Pirate Bay, Avast kicks up a "malicious URL/virus" warning.

Is this a "default" setting for Pirate Bay in Avast, and therefore can be ignored? 

Or need I fear the first two entries on the search page? Attempting to download either produces the same result.

Thanks in advance,
Best,
Mike

204 http://defenseprinted.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Liberator.zip

205 "The federal government does not have the authority to tell any person who resides in the several states they cannot fabricate and disseminate the plans for a firearm. 1st and 2nd ammendments apply. The fact that they have granted themselves this authority is another matter all together." They're arguing, apparently, that by posting information on the internet, you're publishing it overseas, so, it can be banned by Federal trade regulations. That's worth challenging all the way to the Supreme Court.

206 Missouri allows deer hunting with air rifles that are .40 cal or larger, so somebody out there is manufacturing one hell of a BB gun.

207 And the settlers we conned into coming here, they were the dregs of the galaxy.  They soon began fighting amongst themselves.  We forbad them weapons; they soon began to fashion their own.

208 Thank you so much, BB.
Best,
Mike

209 I'm pretty sure that this action from DoS was EXACTLY what Wilson and DD was after. Now he likely has standing for any number of legal actions. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2013 11:38 AM (TIIx5) Very late DING DING DING to this comment.

210 I'm using Firefox and Avast, and when I try to download the file from Pirate Bay, Avast kicks up a "malicious URL/virus" warning. Posted by: Lt. York at May 10, 2013 03:03 PM (C4tio) If you come back and check, 1) PB is *full* of nasty malicious ads, you should be running adblock plus and flashblock if you go there. 2) If you still get avast warnings after you run those plugins, you can tell avast to ignore that for an hour on the settings page (right click on icon, open avast, look for protection settings, forget which page). *IF* you're blocking ads and flash you shoild have no problems.

211 Just in the interests of finding out how tropic the Democrats really are, someone should publish a file that prints a flintlock pistol.

212 A flinklock pistol wouldn't be regulated under the regulations that State was/is enforcing. From the note in the USML: This coverage by the U.S. Munitions List in paragraphs (a) through (i) of this category excludes any non-combat shotgun with a barrel length of 18 inches or longer, BB, pellet, and muzzle loading (black powder) firearms. This category does not cover riflescopes and sighting devices that are not manufactured to military specifications. It also excludes accessories and attachments (e.g., belts, slings, after market rubber grips, cleaning kits) for firearms that do not enhance the usefulness, effectiveness, or capabilities of the firearm, components and parts. The Department of Commerce regulates the export of such items

213 After Sandy Hook dumbass democrats would say that "gun control" is nothing new in this country and they would say that there were laws on the books back in the olden days which prevented the sale of firearms to indians and slaves - ergo the founders approved of gun control and the NRA is being unreasonable fuck that. The founders thought U.S. citizens were free to own guns, but they apparently believed that the sale or transfer of arms to non-U.S. citizens was not a-okay. Today, the sale of firearms to non-U.S. citizens is heavily regulated (as it should be - do we really want foreign terrorists coming here and using our rights against us?) while the sale of firearms is relatively* unregulated. *relative to other nations, but a long way from the ideal - i.e. letting people exercise their 2A rights free from government intervention.

214 Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile,
Thanks for the info.

Another moron sent me a link to a direct download, so didn't wind up needing PB.

But thank you so much for taking time to help....right decent of you, man.

Have a great weekend.
Best,
Mike

215 two groups wind up with guns: the government and criminals. In such a regime, it'd be awfully hard for anyone who values civil liberties to tell the difference between the two Oh, that's easy: criminals will want either your money or your life, the government will want both.