October 30, 2013

For First Time, Obama's Personal Favorability Rating is Negative
— Ace

Job approval has been low for a while. But there is an old bit of poll wisdom that your personal approval rating sets your maximum possible job approval -- and sets the floor for it, too

Well, the floor is now lower.

And for the first time in the survey, even ObamaÂ’s personal ratings are upside-down, with 41 percent viewing him a favorable light and 45 percent viewing him negatively.

“Personally and politically, the public’s assessment is two thumbs down,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

Are people finally seeing the light? Is the Titanic finally going down?

And open thread.

Oh, and I see Purp got into this poll, but he didn't highlight this finding. He highlighted another important one, but not this one.

Posted by: Ace at 04:50 PM | Comments (326)
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1 Sucks to be him.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at October 30, 2013 04:51 PM (kqqGm)

2 Yay!  Dump!



Posted by: EC at October 30, 2013 04:52 PM (doBIb)

3 So will the captain of the RMS Obama go down with his ship?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 04:52 PM (gMFC1)

4 After review the ruling on the field is overturned. It is not a stomp due to the time elapsed between posts. First down.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 04:52 PM (AO9UG)

5 My Prediction of what will happen for the people turning on me?

PAIN

Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at October 30, 2013 04:53 PM (Pr6hk)

6 After review the ruling on the field is overturned.

It is not a stomp due to the time elapsed between posts.

First down.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 08:52 PM (AO9UG)



30 minutes have elapsed. 


The call has been overturned.


Posted by: EC at October 30, 2013 04:53 PM (doBIb)

7 So this is the World Series post? Go Sox!!!!!!!

Posted by: L, elle at October 30, 2013 04:54 PM (0xqKe)

8 When Obama uses the "Tantrum Strategy" he will scold the people into liking him again. This is not a problem.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at October 30, 2013 04:54 PM (RnrSa)

9 TFG has made them shut down MA Turnpike, so that he can go to DCCC fundraiser, potentially ruining nights of people who live in Metro West that May have Sox tix tonight! We must think of another nickname for the egomaniac lying SCOAMF.

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 04:54 PM (+wNWT)

10 I guess there is some news that can't be embargoed

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at October 30, 2013 04:54 PM (Pr6hk)

11 But he was already re elected.A fucking year too late(asuuming the election was legitimate)

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2013 04:55 PM (zqvg6)

12 Well I have a friend from my USAF days, who is left of center (his wife is a raving moonbat) and he still thinks President Fuckwad is doing a good job and everything is the GOPs fault. OFuckwad sure has a cult like following. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 30, 2013 04:55 PM (15w2J)

13 Ultimate cynical answer: of course they are. The Democrats have to clear the decks to make room for HILLARY!

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 30, 2013 04:55 PM (dlF5e)

14 The fact it's anything over 15% tells you how fucked this country is. But hey 41 is better than 55 I suppose. Baby steps.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 04:55 PM (0LHZx)

15 It is not a stomp due to the time elapsed between posts.

First down. Posted by: eman
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Just for the record, what is that elapsed time, because it takes me five minutes just to type a single line.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 04:56 PM (aDwsi)

16 Obama doesn't care, his handlers don't care and the MSM doesn't care.  Obama is history now and the wrecking crew is looking forward.  My bet is that Hillary will have some inconvenient facts coming out in about a year and the big push will be for Liawatha.

Posted by: rabidfox at October 30, 2013 04:56 PM (Gejy0)

17 Puddleglum, some in cultists will be there right until the end.  Like the ones who thought their mothership was with a comet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 04:56 PM (gMFC1)

18 We still have 3 years left. Polls or no polls, when a dangerous, delusional ideologue is at the controls that is a lot of time to do a lot of damage. If we still have a lot left to damage at this stage. But hey, maybe just maybe, the American people have begun to awaken to the sensation of blood and bukakke emanating from every hole. With a few new holes to boot.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 04:56 PM (uf1pv)

19 Open thread yay! Go Cards!

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 04:57 PM (P6QsQ)

20 {i]I just don't get it. Posted by: Puddleglum at October 30, 2013 08:55 PM (15w2J) Hide posts from (15w2J) Try eating some lead paint, huffing some glue or pounding your head on the floor for a few minutes, then check again.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:57 PM (qyfb5)

21 He did fackin' what to the Mass pike befowah the Sawks game?  He's woahst than those terroahrist raaahg heads

Posted by: Sawks Nation at October 30, 2013 04:57 PM (Pr6hk)

22 16 "...and the big push will be for Liawatha." Posted by: rabidfox at October 30, 2013 08:56 PM (Gejy0) You forget Sheriff Joey Choo-Choo!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 04:57 PM (uf1pv)

23 9 TFG has made them shut down MA Turnpike, so that he can go to DCCC fundraiser, potentially ruining nights of people who live in Metro West that May have Sox tix tonight! We must think of another nickname for the egomaniac lying SCOAMF. Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 08:54 PM (+wNWT) Most MA residents won't squeal about it. MA loves Ebola.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 04:57 PM (AO9UG)

24 Are people finally seeing the light? Is the Titanic finally going down?

From your lips to God's ears, Ace. Normally I'd say no as I've been stunned the last 5 years about the general apathy that the country seems to have about Obama. But the only thing that gives me a tiny bit of hope is that formerly-friendly media outlets are starting to criticize TFG and his merrily-marauding band of progressive f*#ktards with the reverse-Midas touch. Hopefully this 'if you like your health plan you can keep it' is Obama's Watergate/Read My Lips No New Taxes/I Did Not Have Sexual Relations With That Woman, Miss Lewinsky moment.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at October 30, 2013 04:57 PM (niuxr)

25
but, but, but, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz were making the GOP look bad what with their moral causes and core values and all.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 30, 2013 04:58 PM (nKUHR)

26 Preference Cascade. Come on!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at October 30, 2013 04:58 PM (83xuc)

27 Oooh, harmless tag fail. *winning*

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:58 PM (qyfb5)

28 IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER WHEN THE AMNESTY SHIP LANDS.

Posted by: FUBAR at October 30, 2013 04:58 PM (Cs2tJ)

29 He could hide the fact he's a douche for only so long

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at October 30, 2013 04:59 PM (Pr6hk)

30 Every one that is not in FSA hates him! It's going to get worse. By the time he is out of office he will be the most hated president in history. I predict he will hit lowest of all by May & stay that way, no manufactured crisis can save him.

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 04:59 PM (+wNWT)

31 You know what happens to the big turd in the little bowl? Eventually you stink up the joint and get flushed. Bye Bye!

Posted by: ALH at October 30, 2013 04:59 PM (2LTPq)

32 Is the Titanic finally going down?

Hah! 'Titanic'...  You misspelled tiny.

Posted by: Reggie Love at October 30, 2013 04:59 PM (4qiox)

33 An otherwise reasonably intelligent friend of mine, the other day said "Oh, I think he's doing a pretty good job". Okay, the guy is a yellow-dog Democrat, but still..., I was at a loss for words. The casual consumer of the MSM simply soaks this stuff up.

The media
The media
The media

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:00 PM (aDwsi)

34 No Republicans bitch-smacking Sebilius today. I don't know what disgusts me more, Donkey Alinskyites lying there asses off, or GOP barnacles sitting on theirs.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at October 30, 2013 05:00 PM (jj0EZ)

35 But that's not what WaPo said would happen.

Posted by: Typical RINO at October 30, 2013 05:00 PM (Pr6hk)

36 24 Posted by: Brass Bancroft at October 30, 2013 08:57 PM (niuxr) You can cover up 200 dead bodies in Mexico and 4 dead ones in Benghazi, as well as a whole lot of green energy and stimulus lucre. But when people all over the place get that letter in the mail that they will no longer have insurance, cheap or otherwise, and the paradise of a government program/website is a total shambling disaster, that there is personal. Maybe that's what it took. Please G-d.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:00 PM (uf1pv)

37 Amnesty will provoke open rebellion. It is the straw.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:00 PM (AO9UG)

38 Every one that is not in FSA hates him! It's going to get worse. By the time he is out of office he will be the most hated president in history.
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Carol - No. I am sorry, but that is not the way it will be. I predict that he will be highly lauded.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:01 PM (aDwsi)

39 26 Preference Cascade. Come on! Posted by: Comrade Arthur at October 30, 2013 08:58 PM (83xuc) Hopefully the preference cascade will be top of mind for '14 and '16. Attention span of a flea with ADHD, and all that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:02 PM (uf1pv)

40 Better take some vitamin E, someone is gonna need a lot of consoling.

Posted by: Reggie Love at October 30, 2013 05:02 PM (Pr6hk)

41 Just in time for the idiots on the left to start squawking again on 'Remember the 5th of November.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 05:02 PM (gMFC1)

42 He can't even wag the dog anymore for a bump.  People are onto that shit now.

Once the jaggoff switch gets thrown on someone's personal favorables, it rarely gets flipped back

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:03 PM (4tK7k)

43

And for the first time in the survey, even ObamaÂ’s personal ratings are upside-down, with 41 percent viewing him a favorable light and 45 percent viewing him negatively.

 

Time for the MSM to quit fuckin around and get busy.

Posted by: Pendejo Grande at October 30, 2013 05:03 PM (8ZHOF)

44 Every president closes highways. It's how the world works. It was stupid when libtards were moaning about Bush doing it, it's stupid when we do it. What the fuck is POTUS supposed to do? Get stuck in rush hour traffic for an hour?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 05:03 PM (0LHZx)

45 Once the jaggoff switch gets thrown on someone's personal favorables, it rarely gets flipped back
Posted by: Purp
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Heh.

Posted by: Father of the Year at October 30, 2013 05:03 PM (aDwsi)

46 Tip O'Neil, "All politics is local."

And Health Insurance is very local.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 05:03 PM (gMFC1)

47 Sure. Problem is, we're in steerage.

blub, blub.


Personally, I wouldn't care that the stupid Captain is also going to drown when I know that I'm going under first.

Unless I knew I would get a shot at him in Purgatory/Heaven/Hell.

But even then, so what?

Dead is dead and screwed is screwed.

Doesn't much matter how much company you have.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 30, 2013 05:03 PM (lAZep)

48 This is the most important result.  Not sure whether it's because the petty little tyrant wouldn't let them look at monuments, or whether it's because people note that he petty little tyrant can't oversee a successful website launch for his signature law, or whether it's that he lied to the LIV's about how much skin they'd have to put in the game.   Whatever the case, it seems meaningful that peoples view of him personally is tanking. 

Posted by: Dave S. at October 30, 2013 05:04 PM (UvR6d)

49 Obviously these people have not witnessed his creases

Posted by: David Brooks at October 30, 2013 05:04 PM (Pr6hk)

50 The ObamaCare rollout would have worked just fine if we had invaded Syria.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:04 PM (AO9UG)

51 Go Sox!

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 05:04 PM (ZshNr)

52 bastids!

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:05 PM (nqBYe)

53
I heard that Brick Obama said in his speech to day to tell people to "just shop around".  WTF Dude?  That's what we did prior to your stupid ass law.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 30, 2013 05:05 PM (nKUHR)

54 If my plan doesn't cover treatment at Obamaholics Anonymous, it must be substandard.

Posted by: dissent555 at October 30, 2013 05:05 PM (yR6A1)

55 What he needs is Christie to have him over for a Sandy Reunion.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 30, 2013 05:05 PM (l0lja)

56 HOW could they do this to one who provided so much for them

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at October 30, 2013 05:05 PM (Pr6hk)

57 Who forgot to fetch Willow?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 05:05 PM (gMFC1)

58 Rats ass? I'm sorry you would need to contact HUD for that.

Posted by: HHS at October 30, 2013 05:06 PM (N3Al8)

59 I was in Manhattan in 2000 when Bill Clinton came to town. I forget what the occasion was but it was some bullshit reason, fundraiser for HIllary maybe? Anyway 1/2 of midtown was closed for an hour, traffic chaos and everyone's bitching about it. And I'm like what did you people expect, he get out of the motorcade and take the 4 train? I mean shit, come on people, let's be reasonable here.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 05:06 PM (0LHZx)

60 Imagining that this going to damage the (D) and/or Obama in any significant way is just mental fapping, I fear.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:06 PM (aDwsi)

61 I predict he will be the first ex-POTUS to live in exile.  I don't think he'll stay in the US when his gravy train is over.  Maybe Hawaii for a time but I don't think he'll stay.  I suspect he's going to shoot for UN Sec Gen and I also think he and Moochelle will have the same cozy close marriage that Slick and O'l Piano Legs has now.

Posted by: B at October 30, 2013 05:06 PM (6iEQd)

62 Oh, and I see Purp got into this poll, but he didn't highlight this finding. He highlighted another important one, but not this one. lulz! Ace is so cute and precocious.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 30, 2013 05:06 PM (fJwGp)

63 Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 08:57 PM (AO9UG) Not me Eman & there are lots of people in my office that also hate him. We have conservative people, but like Eastwood said last year at GOP convention we keep it quiet. That's why Scott Brown didn't keep his senate seat, he voted with dems too often & lost support of many like me, who made phone calls for him, gave donations to His campaign, etc in 2010. Last year we voted for him but did nothing to help him.

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 05:06 PM (+wNWT)

64 I guess the double sized sh^t sandwich didn't quite satisfy the public's appetite

Posted by: Guy Fieri at October 30, 2013 05:07 PM (Pr6hk)

65 The tingle... I can't feel it. Someone! Do something! --- Chris Matthews

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 30, 2013 05:07 PM (l0lja)

66 What the fuck is POTUS supposed to do?

Oh I don't know, let me take a shot.  NOT go to a World Series City the day of a game to make a stupid speech, or you know maybe WORK in the oval office for once.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 30, 2013 05:07 PM (nKUHR)

67 Sebelius: "Whatever..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:08 PM (aDwsi)

68 And now you know the reason that Obamacare was not rolled out before the 2012 election.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:08 PM (g1DWB)

69 I mean shit, come on people, let's be reasonable here.

Exactly.  Its not like there's heli-pads on rooftops in Manhattan. 

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:08 PM (4tK7k)

70 The FSA will love him no matter what. That is a given. I suspect his support is evaporating from the Silicon Valley engineer who makes $150K and is now discovering that Obamacare is going to fuck him up something good. I know a lot of these dudes. They think when Obama talks about taxing the rich, he means Bill Gates. Obamacare might be the first inkling they have that by rich, Obama means them. And the same goes for the "knowledge workers" in Denver, in Seattle, Atlanta, etc.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 05:09 PM (0LHZx)

71 If Chrissy Matthews keeps feeling a tingle in his leg, then his Tingler is as drunk as he is.

http://youtu.be/OW-Li35fKrE

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 05:09 PM (gMFC1)

72 65 What the fuck is POTUS supposed to do? --- Clean up. Aisle 4. HHS building. Barry, you're gonna need a big mop.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 30, 2013 05:09 PM (l0lja)

73 OFuckwad sure has a cult like following. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 30, 2013 08:55 PM (15w2J)



Some conversation I overheard today, if not word for word petty close:



"Its like his hands are tied, like he's in prison."



"They say no to everything he tries to do."



"He is supposed to be running the country, but they say no to anything he tries to do."

Posted by: cm9000 at October 30, 2013 05:09 PM (3qZbZ)

74 It is important to remind everyone that the real lesson of Obamacare is that democrats are mean.


mean.


mean.


mean.


can't say it enough.  mean.



also, they don't listen and they don't care.



irresponsible.
unreasonable.
don't listen.
don't care.
mean.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 05:09 PM (PlzOe)

75 Anna, i was almost alone  for a very long couple of minutes, i almost tore my clothes and ashed my forehead, than Jack saved me.

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (nqBYe)

76 O/T, but I stumbled upon a Valerie Plame book tour rally.  I was curious, so I went in.  Place was filled with Obamabots, as I expected.  I think she's full of shit, but I gotta say, seeing her in person, the woman is stunning- drop-dead gorgeous.   I'd think the CIA would stick to average looking people.

Posted by: ombudsman at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (vQU1z)

77 Obama must be in some serious trouble because the Libtards are going barking spiders crazy on Twitter accusing the GOP wanting people to starve by cutting food stamps on Nov. 1st.

Posted by: Jmel at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (cfFqn)

78 58 I was in Manhattan in 2000 when Bill Clinton came to town. I forget what the occasion was but it was some bullshit reason, fundraiser for HIllary maybe? Anyway 1/2 of midtown was closed for an hour, traffic chaos and everyone's bitching about it. And I'm like what did you people expect, he get out of the motorcade and take the 4 train? I mean shit, come on people, let's be reasonable here. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 09:06 PM (0LHZx) Okay, how about he weighs his desire to go to a fundraiser against our desire not to have our travel interrupted? I suggest he stay home and jerk off to some Hillary debate videos and leave us alone.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (AO9UG)

79 >>> That's why Scott Brown didn't keep his senate seat, he voted with dems too often & lost support of many like me, who made phone calls for him, gave donations to His campaign, etc in 2010. Last year we voted for him but did nothing to help him. Enthusiasm Gap is not in the White Mountains.

Posted by: fluffy; Masshole at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (tTR4Z)

80 Exactly. Its not like there's heli-pads on rooftops in Manhattan. Posted by: Purp at October 30, 2013 09:08 PM (4tK7k) ________ And if he did that, you'd be outrageously outraged that he's taking a helicopter and wasting tax payer dollars to get to his fundraiser 10 minutes faster.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (0LHZx)

81

Po-tay-to

 

Po-tah-to

 

Still waiting for Wolfgang Blitzedkreig's breathless reportage on these  numbers.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (0HooB)

82 Imagine what would be happening right now if they hadn't delayed the Cadillac tax on employer-sponsored plans until 2018. 

Posted by: not the mama at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (5dxeo)

83 Victorino!

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at October 30, 2013 05:10 PM (niuxr)

84 Yeah we understand the President need to travel, but use a little common sense when. You don't jam up Boston on the World Series night. It's like when he went to the Super Bowl, fucked up everyone else's plans just so he could go.  Want to see a ballgame, go watch the Redskins or Nationals.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 05:11 PM (IV4od)

85

We have nothing to fear from Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at October 30, 2013 05:11 PM (Pr6hk)

86 62 Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 08:57 PM (AO9UG) Not me Eman & there are lots of people in my office that also hate him. We have conservative people, but like Eastwood said last year at GOP convention we keep it quiet. That's why Scott Brown didn't keep his senate seat, he voted with dems too often & lost support of many like me, who made phone calls for him, gave donations to His campaign, etc in 2010. Last year we voted for him but did nothing to help him. Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 09:06 PM (+wNWT) Yeah, I know. I was born and raised in MA; lived there for fifty years.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:11 PM (AO9UG)

87
Hopefully the preference cascade will be top of mind for '14 and '16.

Attention span of a flea with ADHD, and all that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 09:02 PM (uf1pv)


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Yeah, this is the fear for me too.  There was never a doubt in my mind that people would be pissed when the curtain is pulled back on ACA.  That stuff is just simple math.  It has to be this way.  There must be pain. 

But people flight about from one outrage to the next in a matter of weeks.  They are easily driven my manufactured narratives. ACA is going to get worse, but is there a point where enough people just decide they'll blame the insurers again because that's what everyone is telling them to think?

Posted by: Dave S. at October 30, 2013 05:12 PM (UvR6d)

88 Right  they would have lost.
still if the population understood what they are seeing in the middle east (hint not spring) and not moderate!
or would have known how lackadaisical they are with our ambassadors  not to mention running guns to drug and gang cartels .

he would not have survived the thrown to the wolves.

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:12 PM (nqBYe)

89 Lets remember in Year One of Focker, they sent an empty VC-25B to do a photo shoot over NYC.  And failed to tell anyone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 05:12 PM (gMFC1)

90 Finally someone is hitting the gong

Posted by: Jaye P Morgan at October 30, 2013 05:13 PM (Pr6hk)

91 re 93:
ME ME ME ME ME!!!

Posted by: mallfly at October 30, 2013 05:13 PM (bJm7W)

92 When Clinton would fly into Atlanta, he would land at Dobbins AFB out in Marietta. Then, the whole interstate (both sides) would be shut down and cleared all of the way down into Atlanta. A giant PIA for the locals.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:13 PM (aDwsi)

93 68 I mean shit, come on people, let's be reasonable here. Exactly. Its not like there's heli-pads on rooftops in Manhattan. Posted by: Purp at October 30, 2013 09:08 PM (4tK7k) There were. A Chinook commuter copter crashed in 1977 on the roof of the then Pan Am building (directly behind Grand Central Station) and as a result all rooftop helipads were banned.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:13 PM (uf1pv)

94 Some days Reality hits me square in the nose and I realize who is in the White House and I actually say to myself [I cannot believe that lying piece of shit obama is the president of the United States of America. Today is one of those days. obama was in Boston today to do what he does best: give a phony, dull speech.* obama's motorcade parade procession SHUT DOWN the Mass Turnpike (going East into Boston), tonight of all nights Game 6 of the WS. *obama is like a dog that needs to mark his territory. Instead of roaming the neighborhood dropping poop in random spots, obama flies around in a jet he doesnt own and makes shitty speeches all over the country.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 30, 2013 05:13 PM (fJwGp)

95 you'd be outrageously outraged that he's taking a helicopter and wasting tax payer dollars to get to his fundraiser 10 minutes faster

Compared to the economic impact to Manhattan, he could take a squadron of 100 helis from Laguardia or JFK and the public would still be better off.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:14 PM (4tK7k)

96 HILLARY will FIX this!!111!!!

The SMARTEST women in the World Universe!!!!


Headlines for the next 3 years.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 30, 2013 05:14 PM (lAZep)

97 Don't people like their Obamaphones???

Posted by: Low Information Voter at October 30, 2013 05:14 PM (Pr6hk)

98 >>And if he did that, you'd be outrageously outraged that he's taking a helicopter and wasting tax payer dollars to get to his fundraiser 10 minutes faster. He went to Boston today for 2 reasons. 1) Try to somehow blame Romney for his fuckup of health insurance. 2) Go to a fundraiser. There was no urgent reason he had to go to Boston on the night of the biggest game of the season for the Red Sox when it's always crowded. It was selfish and typical.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:14 PM (g1DWB)

99 Sox on top 3-0.

Posted by: L, elle at October 30, 2013 05:14 PM (0xqKe)

100 Moo. Moo: Libs adore public transit, so yeah, Bill should've taken the 4 train.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 30, 2013 05:14 PM (102Hx)

101 79 Exactly. Its not like there's heli-pads on rooftops in Manhattan. Posted by: Purp at October 30, 2013 09:08 PM (4tK7k) ________ And if he did that, you'd be outrageously outraged that he's taking a helicopter and wasting tax payer dollars to get to his fundraiser 10 minutes faster. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 09:10 PM (0LHZx) He should try it and see.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:15 PM (AO9UG)

102 86 Posted by: Dave S. at October 30, 2013 09:12 PM (UvR6d) This has to last. People are going to get sick and die in the next 3 years, and without insurance, they are going to be somewhat peeved at SCOAMF and the Dems, I would think.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:15 PM (uf1pv)

103 41%-12.5% (the percentage that would approve of him if he performed a human sacrifice in the oval office) = 28.5% approval.

Posted by: Little Boomer at October 30, 2013 05:15 PM (f3koQ)

104 Beware of short helo rides.

Posted by: Zombie Stevie Ray Vaughan at October 30, 2013 05:16 PM (wnXtk)

105 let's be grateful he hasn't buzzed manhattan again.

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:16 PM (nqBYe)

106
irresponsible.
unreasonable.
don't listen.
don't care.
mean.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 09:09 PM (PlzOe)



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I know that most conservatives don't care about this kind of campaigning because you always intended to care for yourselves anyway.  However, other people vote against you, and when you get right down to the nub of it they say that they thought the other person cared about them more.


Well, now it has been proven if people are smart enough to point it out -- repeatedly until nausea sets in -- democrats don't care about you -- .


This is a message for people who vote democrat -- democrats don't care about you --if they did, they wouldn't lie to your face about your health insurance and then insult you when you become surprised or offended about the lie.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 05:16 PM (PlzOe)

107 This has to last. People are going to get sick and die in the next 3 years, and without insurance, they are going to be somewhat peeved at SCOAMF and the Dems, I would think.

But if they die, they'll still vote D.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 30, 2013 05:16 PM (JawqV)

108 JT Marlin downgrades Amalgamated Styrofoam Column Corp. to STRONG SELL

Posted by: JT Marlin at October 30, 2013 05:16 PM (N2Lrz)

109 Oh, great. I can see the Hillary campaign now. "If only the GOP had not shot down Hillary-care in '93 and if only I was the president in '08, we would all be in paradise by now! Atone!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:17 PM (uf1pv)

110

But if they die, they'll still vote D.

 

Repeatedly.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 05:17 PM (0HooB)

111 106 But if they die, they'll still vote D. Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 30, 2013 09:16 PM (JawqV) At least thrice. Especially in OH and PA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:17 PM (uf1pv)

112

what is McAuliffe's going to go down too?

 

not coat tails, but an anchor

 

I can dream

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:17 PM (zOTsN)

113 I'm on record saying the JEF would leave office with a 28% approval rate. I stand by that number.  ...but of course Charles Manson (D) would start with at least  a 25% "favorable" rating.

Posted by: Icedog at October 30, 2013 05:17 PM (uZ6Ul)

114 Hey, if my drug-addled team figured it out, Barry is in trouble

Posted by: Lorne Michaels at October 30, 2013 05:18 PM (Pr6hk)

115 BOSTON/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Wednesday that "bad apple" insurance companies, not his signature healthcare law, are to blame for hundreds of thousands of people losing their coverage in the past few weeks.





So every insurance company is a bad apple. It couldn't be a result of his commie take over of the healthcare industry

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 30, 2013 05:18 PM (JivuR)

116 This has to last. People are going to get sick and die in the next 3 years, and without insurance, they are going to be somewhat peeved at SCOAMF and the Dems, I would think.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton
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It's their own fault because they had been buying inferior insurance. We must take care of you stupid people. We know what is best..., besides we need the money..., and control.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:18 PM (aDwsi)

117 Here's something that puzzles me a bit -- Disbarred and impeached former preezy Billy Jeff runs around supporting Dems all over the place, including an appearance with McAulife yesterday. Yet our former preezies, both Bushes, don't really do squat to promote R candidates.
 
Are they that toxic, or are they blind to the principle of paying it forward?
 
I dunno, it just seems kinda lopsided to me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 30, 2013 05:18 PM (wNF3N)

118 104 let's be grateful he hasn't buzzed manhattan again. Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 09:16 PM (nqBYe) I'd pray for a Muzzie with a Stinger missile were it not for the crew who are, for all intents and purposes, hostages like the rest of us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:18 PM (uf1pv)

119 Krauthammer agrees with my take. If Obamacare goes down it will mean not just the end of this horrible, fucked up, not good health insurance scheme it will damage liberalism for a generation. Big government will have proven to be a disaster. Bring it on.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:18 PM (g1DWB)

120 question, does anyone think they really might run elizabeth warren?

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:18 PM (nqBYe)

121 Every time some president comes to south FL, I95 traffic is paralyzed for hours.  People are getting sick of this shit.

Take the damned heli.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:19 PM (4tK7k)

122 116 I dunno, it just seems kinda lopsided to me. Posted by: GnuBreed at October 30, 2013 09:18 PM (wNF3N) They HATE conservatives as much as the Dems. They are part of the elites, the same as the Dems. The see us as threats to their money and influence.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:19 PM (uf1pv)

123 BOSTON/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Wednesday that "bad apple" videos  insurance companies....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:19 PM (aDwsi)

124 No, they will never run the liar elizabeth warren.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 30, 2013 05:19 PM (fJwGp)

125 He'll be with us soon in the dustbin of marketing disasters

Posted by: New Coke at October 30, 2013 05:19 PM (Pr6hk)

126 J.J He really did start out as a real insensitive jerk.
and remained so.

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:20 PM (nqBYe)

127 sooth, yeah it seems crazy but i read it somewhere yesterday and  i thought fgs no-way Then i remembered electing Obama.

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:21 PM (nqBYe)

128

By George, look at that duck over there, Smedley.

 

I do believe that he's limping. Badly.

Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 05:21 PM (fIu3m)

129 118 Krauthammer agrees with my take. If Obamacare goes down it will mean not just the end of this horrible, fucked up, not good health insurance scheme it will damage liberalism for a generation. Big government will have proven to be a disaster. Bring it on. Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 09:18 PM (g1DWB) I would agree, although Krauthammer sees nothing wrong with the New Deal. Just that it was mismanaged. That ain't conservative. BTW: Great article at American Spectator on why this could be the death of liberalism. Then again, if this is death, we must be dealing with a giant flesh-eating zombie.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:21 PM (uf1pv)

130 Let's pass an immigration bill to prop him up

Posted by: Open Border Rino at October 30, 2013 05:21 PM (Pr6hk)

131

All we need   now   is a killer rabbit attack...

 

...to  go along with the Rose Garden Rat and his personal flies.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 05:21 PM (0HooB)

132 3-0.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 05:21 PM (ZshNr)

133 118 Krauthammer agrees with my take. If Obamacare goes down it will mean not just the end of this horrible, fucked up, not good health insurance scheme it will damage liberalism for a generation. Big government will have proven to be a disaster. Bring it on. Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 09:18 PM (g1DWB) I agree, but people will remain addicted to SS and other entitlements. Those programs won't crash until the Collapse itself happens.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:21 PM (AO9UG)

134 from Krauthammer's mouth to ___.

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:22 PM (nqBYe)

135 This is a nuclear sh^t-storm

Posted by: Robert Oppenheimer at October 30, 2013 05:22 PM (Pr6hk)

136 So 55% don't view the President unfavorably. Higher than his re-election mandate. Good try, wingnuts. Take a math course, unless you're homeschooling in which case you can pray all day and pretend Satan planted dinosaur bones when the Earth was created in 4004 B.C.

Posted by: Rick at October 30, 2013 05:22 PM (lH5al)

137 112 I'm on record saying the JEF would leave office with a 28% approval rate. I stand by that number. ...but of course Charles Manson (D) would start with at least a 25% "favorable" rating. Posted by: Icedog at October 30, 2013 09:17 PM (uZ6Ul) Q: What do Manson and SCOAMF have in common? A: They both said, "I don't break the laws; I make the laws!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:22 PM (uf1pv)

138 question, does anyone think they really might run elizabeth warren?
Posted by: willow
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Heh. I would like to see a Hillary-Warren dust-up. Faux Indian would come away bloodied and reeling. I also see that Kay Hagan (D-NC) says that she is receiving letters urging her to run. Hagan is a scrunt of the first order.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:23 PM (aDwsi)

139 they will never run the liar elizabeth warren

The Dems capacity for self-delusion is boundless.  They might do it if Hillary flames out.  What's the other choice?  Biden?

Hillary will be the "standard" Dem choice, I could easily see Warren as an OFA backed primary challenger.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:23 PM (4tK7k)

140

gosh I wish it would be the end of it for a generation

 

but things are never resolved so easily, quickly, or definitively

 

unless you are a Kardashian

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:23 PM (zOTsN)

141 Oh crap

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:24 PM (P6QsQ)

142 4-0

Posted by: fluffy; Masshole at October 30, 2013 05:24 PM (tTR4Z)

143 Q: What do Manson and SCOAMF have in common?
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They both favor promoting racial discord?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:24 PM (aDwsi)

144 135 Posted by: Rick at October 30, 2013 09:22 PM (lH5al) Pro-Tip: The next time your parents want a baby, tell daddy to ejaculate and not urinate into momma's cooter, okay?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:24 PM (uf1pv)

145 I had assumed that the mere proximity of the Shit Midas would have doomed the Sox tonight.

Posted by: toby928© rants populist at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (QupBk)

146 obama was a great 'national' candidate warren only works in deep blue regions both are lying leftists, but obama came off as a blank slate...just ask Krauthammer and George Will.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (fJwGp)

147 I'm clearly the only potential Dem candidate with their ankles firmly planted near the center

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (Pr6hk)

148 Posted by: Rick at October 30, 2013 09:22 PM (lH5al) Flag. Whistle. Defensive pass interference. Fifteen yard penalty. First down.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (AO9UG)

149 Woohoo at 141!

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (ZshNr)

150 Mike, yuck, well i hope we line up some really smart folks with great advisers this go around.

we'll probably all be bloody at the end.


Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (nqBYe)

151 So I'm watching the game and Stephen Drew goes yard...

Wait. A. Minute.

STEPHEN DREW GOES YARD?!? HELLS YEAH!

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (niuxr)

152 I really dislike this American League team.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (P6QsQ)

153 My Magic getting whomped on by the TWolves at halftime. After getting beat in the season opener last night.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (0HooB)

154 Ellison/Grijalva '16! Allahu, se puede!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (uf1pv)

155 are we being Rick rolled right now?

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:25 PM (zOTsN)

156 55% don't think he sucks! He's still TOTALLY AWESOME! You stupid wingnuts! You think 41% approval is LESS than 45% disapproval! But you have to include the people who don't know because EVERYONE REALLY LOVES OBAMA so they totally count as favorable! Ignorant Jesus freaks!

Posted by: Dick at October 30, 2013 05:26 PM (dlF5e)

157 The Dems capacity for self-delusion is boundless. They might do it if Hillary flames out. What's the other choice? Biden? Pelosi?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 30, 2013 05:26 PM (sByIH)

158 >>I would agree, although Krauthammer sees nothing wrong with the New Deal. Just that it was mismanaged. That ain't conservative. I don't agree with everything he says but he is a pretty astute observer of politics and of course, human behavior. He is a trained psychologist. Obama never won anything on his actions or facts. It was always about promises and his firstedness. That's a real word I just made up. He is now being exposed as a charlatan and a liar. He has nothing to fall back on. This isn't like Clinton and Lewinsky. It's not even like Benghazi or bad shit that happens to other people. This is creaming all of us. And the only way to make it stop is to make him and his bullshit go away. There is no fall back plan. He has nowhere to go but ride this thing right into the ground. Light the candle.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:26 PM (g1DWB)

159 "Yet our former preezies, both Bushes, don't really do squat to promote R candidates."


Will GHWB is damn near dead, but you're right on GWB. He doesn't need to front and center but he could be attending and hosting big money fundraisers and stuff.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 05:26 PM (IV4od)

160 thunderb, it's attempting to bring us down.

i refuse!

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:26 PM (nqBYe)

161 >>> Woohoo at 141! I'm at work, listening on the radio. The subway ride will be interesting.

Posted by: fluffy; Masshole at October 30, 2013 05:27 PM (tTR4Z)

162 They'll never call him Nancy again.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 05:27 PM (ZshNr)

163 Now that's a wide gap in favorability

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 30, 2013 05:27 PM (Pr6hk)

164 138. Ugh. Elizabeth Warren. VOMIT. My kids are waiting for opportunity in school to choose to do a report about the first female Native American senator

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 05:27 PM (1ThpN)

165 The Dems capacity for self-delusion is boundless. They might do it if Hillary flames out. What's the other choice? Biden?

Since MA is in the news, the dark horse--no pun intended--is MA guv and Obama 2.0 prototype 'Screw 'Em All' Duval Patrick.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at October 30, 2013 05:27 PM (niuxr)

166 Pelosi?

She'd pull about 30% in the general...maybe...running against Sponge Bob

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:28 PM (4tK7k)

167 Will GHWB is damn near dead, but you're right on GWB. He doesn't need to front and center but he could be attending and hosting big money fundraisers and stuff. GWB is doing a lot of work for the wounded warrior project. I think he's burned out on politics and just wants to do some good for the Veterans.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 30, 2013 05:28 PM (sByIH)

168 156 Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 09:26 PM (g1DWB) The fact that it took Krauthammer, George Will, Kudlow and Pants-Creaser a dinner and a few weeks after the election to figure out that maybe Obama was not quite centrist speaks volumes as to the disconnect between the inside-the-beltway class on both sides of the aisle and... reality.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:28 PM (uf1pv)

169 Mazola corn goodness.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 30, 2013 05:28 PM (Kud5A)

170

both are lying leftists, but obama came off as a blank slate...just ask Krauthammer and George Will.

 

That rather surprised me, coming as it did from two guys who've  been around DC for a while.   That   blank slate should've been a red flag. Also, why didn't they check into TFG's past?  Hell, we sure did and knew he was poison.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 05:29 PM (0HooB)

171 Time for pragmatic Democrats to distance themselves from Historic First so they can glom onto the next savior who will properly implement the Collectivist Utopian Vision without obstruction from radical anarchist America hating Unpeople.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 30, 2013 05:29 PM (dvRYt)

172 I want to see OFA's fundraising figures a few months now.  These rolling thunder clusterfucks gotta be shaking a few loose.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:30 PM (4tK7k)

173 Mike Hammer, I am at work using iPhone. I work on Prudential Tower, close to Fenway Park. I have to do two more things & get out of here. I don't want to be near here when game is over. If TFG is highly lauded it will be by same lefties that think FDR was great and/or his race. Everything he's gotten, until proven by actual grades, papers he was given because of affirmative action. He's not bright, can't say three words without his TelePrompTer & is so thin skinned, this poll must be hurting his ego. I hope it is. Only time will tell. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 05:30 PM (+wNWT)

174 I seem to recall the gloating from Jeb Bush, McStain, McConnell, Krispy Kreme and the rest about the Cruz epic fail over the shutdown. Now? Not so much. Fuck the GOP. It's a wing of the Democrat party and it's got to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:30 PM (uf1pv)

175 She'd pull about 30% in the general...maybe...running against Sponge Bob Against Sponge Bob, sure, he's likable. Evil, Baby-Killing, Soul-Sucking Republicans however ... Romney was squeaky-clean and apparently a great man personally. Lefties foam at the mouth when you mention him.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 30, 2013 05:30 PM (sByIH)

176 167 Mazola corn goodness. Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 30, 2013 09:28 PM (Kud5A) Ancient Chinese Secret! Oh, wait. Wrong racialist commercial...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:31 PM (uf1pv)

177 157 "Yet our former preezies, both Bushes, don't really do squat to promote R candidates."


Will GHWB is damn near dead, but you're right on GWB. He doesn't need to front and center but he could be attending and hosting big money fundraisers and stuff.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 09:26 PM (IV4od)



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it is also true that the flitting around of former prezzies illustrates what ego maniacal assholes they really are. Billy yes, Georgie, no.  There is a hole in Billy where a soul belongs and it can never be filled.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 05:31 PM (PlzOe)

178 There is no fall back plan. He has nowhere to go but ride this thing right into the ground. Light the candle.

Like Slim Pickens.

Posted by: pep at October 30, 2013 05:31 PM (6TB1Z)

179 Careful on your commute. The yoots are always looking for an excuse to get restless.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 05:31 PM (ZshNr)

180 No problem, we'll just raise the negative favorability ceiling.

Posted by: Barkie McDouche at October 30, 2013 05:31 PM (4qiox)

181 How's my ass taste now McStain?

Posted by: Ted Cruz tomorrow at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (4tK7k)

182
The number of racists in this country grows exponentially by the day!

Posted by: Chris Matthews at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (cll/q)

183 I agree, but people will remain addicted to SS and other entitlements.

Those programs won't crash until the Collapse itself happens.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 09:21 PM (AO9UG)

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SS as it stands now isn't all that dissimilar.  You are giving everybody a negative return on their investment to give the 20-30% that would never save a penny of their own money for themselves something to live on.  


It's easier for this arrangement to dawn on the typical voter with the ACA, because it's so immediately apparent.  This is the deal one year, and then all of the sudden this is your deal the next.  SS is more of a slow lifelong drip, with much of the pay you would otherwise receive hidden in the background.  


I'd like to think if the furor for ACA builds strong enough, a savvy enough politician can bridge to SS reform.  


I'd like to think that, but I try to set low expectations, so any surprise is a good one. 

Posted by: Dave S. at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (UvR6d)

184 CarolT at October 30, 2013 09:30 PM (+wNWT) Sounds like you're hard at work. Great job.

Posted by: Your Boss at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (UCpNc)

185 168 both are lying leftists, but obama came off as a blank slate...just ask Krauthammer and George Will. That rather surprised me, coming as it did from two guys who've been around DC for a while. That blank slate should've been a red flag. Also, why didn't they check into TFG's past? Hell, we sure did and knew he was poison. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 09:29 PM (0HooB) Conservative or not they live in the DC fishbowl. DC pundits are useless unless you want to be mislead or can't tell the difference.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (AO9UG)

186 Wacha gets pulled.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (P6QsQ)

187 Well, I don't care much for talking politics at the moment, and I no longer have TV so I can't watch the World Series, so here's the video of Dream Chaser's first unpowered drop test on Saturday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgdFotAkUEU Apart from the left landing gear's failure to deploy, it flew beautifully. It was steady as a rock. That's why they have test flights, after all; to spot and fix problems like that.

Posted by: rickl at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (sdi6R)

188 171. Yikes yeah get out of their quick. My eldest is at umass amherst said she was told "if the Red Sox lose, there will be a riot. If the Red Sox win, there will be a riot."And then add Halloween to the mix. Told her to have water and snacks I her room and don't do anything stupid

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 05:32 PM (1ThpN)

189 Okay, fellow babies. See you in the morning. Getting a consult for a colonoscopy. While I still have insurance. Smile and think of the motherland. G'night!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 05:33 PM (uf1pv)

190 WTF?! A VA guy is taking the fifth?

http://tinyurl.com/lrgyty5

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:33 PM (aDwsi)

191 75 O/T, but I stumbled upon a Valerie Plame book tour rally. I was curious, so I went in. Place was filled with Obamabots, as I expected. I think she's full of shit, but I gotta say, seeing her in person, the woman is stunning- drop-dead gorgeous. I'd think the CIA would stick to average looking people. Posted by: ombudsman at October 30, 2013 09:10 PM (vQU1z) Honey trap. She was the honey.

Posted by: joncelli at October 30, 2013 05:33 PM (kNnPz)

192 Still waiting for Rush (and others) to understand why Obama's ratings are falling. Most people haven't put their finger on it. One word: metrics In the past 5 years, Obama has worked assiduously to avoid any metric of his presidency which could be measured in actual numbers. Simple math. He can no longer hide. Is your insurance MORE or LESS now? If it is more, then you can blame Obama. Is your insurance cancelled? That's a metric. Obama promised you could keep your insurance if you liked it. But now you can't. No amount of spin overcomes this metric. Are you now forced to spend $400 a month buying insurance instead of a new car? That's a metric that cannot be denied. Obama is taking food out of your mouth and giving it to hated insurance companies who pay their executives millions. The Democrats are well and truly fucked. Because now we can tell: Are you better off now, or before you voted for Democrats. Most people are worse off, by metrics they can easily calculate. Obama fucked up.

Posted by: someguy at October 30, 2013 05:33 PM (8XRrT)

193

noted Maryland asshat Martin O'Malley thinks he can be POTUS

 

so do the twin terrors from San Antonio

 

Deval Patrick

 

 

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:34 PM (zOTsN)

194 UMass Amherst riots over the overabundance of riots.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 05:35 PM (ZshNr)

195

This "inferior insurance", aka "crappy policy" lie they're pivoting to now needs to be stomped. Check out the new O-care approved policies. They come in three levels, Bronze, Silver, and Gold, with an optional (for the exchanges and insurance companies) fourth one, the Platinum.

 Look at the actuarial value of these suckers. Bronze, the cheapest one, has an actuarial value of 60%. What this means is the plan, on average, will pay 60% of the projected health care costs of the risk pool. This is statistical, an average thing. It's math and probability theory, backed up by empirical data, that are used to calculate this.

   Now, this new insurance that O-care deems is the minimum acceptable, only pays 60% of the expected costs, on average. You can play around with deductibles and co-pays and come up with different values of each, but the actuarial value is what it is.

     This is far worse than was available for *healthy, younger* individuals on the individual market. So it's actually O-care that is crappy.

   Why is it so crappy? Because of the high risk people who are now mandated to come in. They had to kick everyone off their existing insurance, or a large enough number, in able to keep the premium cost from being, oh, $1000+ per month per individual.  If you got AIDS, cancer, your yearly costs are going to be enormous.

    So, in order to do this, they had to kick healthy people off their existing plans and move them into a new risk pool, and give them less coverage than before, just to pay for the high risk people.

     Oh, and don't forget the *zero* out-of-network coverage. More crappy level coverage, pushing into Medicaid level networks.

    Now, you want to get anything close to what a healthy, young individual had before O-care? You're going to have get at least Gold level plans, which has an actuarial value of 80%. And you're going to pay through the fucking nose for it.

     The only people who benefit are the very hisk risk, for whom this crappy level is a step-up (and they're likely to use it, incurring more costs than before, because they've got somebody else paying for it). 

  This is your typical socialist end-result. Everyone is equal, but equally miserable, equally poor, etc.

    This is what they can't be honest about, because they know it wouldn't sell. They can't tell you the truth (or do it the truly honest way, and directly tax for the high risk, subsidizing their risk pool, which by the way, would've been far cheaper than O-care's massive costs).

     They have to lie. And they will keep lying until they are removed from office. This is how progressive have always done it. They must lie to sell their snake oil.

 

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at October 30, 2013 05:35 PM (M5Os+)

196 Second look at Alan Grayson?

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 30, 2013 05:35 PM (dvRYt)

197 I'd like to think if the furor for ACA builds strong enough, a savvy enough politician can bridge to SS reform. I'd like to think that, but I try to set low expectations, so any surprise is a good one. Posted by: Dave S. at October 30, 2013 09:32 PM (UvR6d) It won't happen in time. The only thing that can end SS is the End.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 05:35 PM (AO9UG)

198 The funny thing about his approval ratings is you can take about 10% for--well--you know...

Posted by: Caliban at October 30, 2013 05:35 PM (2ArJQ)

199 Ace, I just forwarded email from RMG, it has lots of info from Pioneer Institute. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 05:35 PM (+wNWT)

200 Fucking Boston.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 05:36 PM (wnXtk)

201 Pelosi?

She'd pull about 30% in the general...maybe...running against Sponge Bob

Posted by: Purp at October 30, 2013 09:28 PM (4tK7k)



Lets play this out.



2016



Walker 56%



Pelosi 44%



That is the most optimistic outcome I can see. And it could be a lot worse.

Posted by: cm9000 at October 30, 2013 05:36 PM (3qZbZ)

202 192. So i have been told!

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 05:37 PM (1ThpN)

203 Megyn Kelly is kicking the shit out of the load mouth Pallone from Jersey.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:37 PM (g1DWB)

204 Geez Louise

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:37 PM (P6QsQ)

205 Geeezus - Pallone (D-NJ) lying like a fcuking dog on Megyn. What a complete lying sleaze.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:37 PM (aDwsi)

206 So I am trying to watch the world series and Fox 25 is for some reason the only broadcast channel that my antenna refuses to pick up in the city all of a sudden. Anyone else having that problem? Every other channel is still coming in clear.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at October 30, 2013 05:38 PM (KCvsd)

207 Like I've said many times before, I never went to Hadvad, not a hotshot doctor or lawyer, not part of the in crowd. I knew Barry was a snoozer and a loser and it took about five minutes reading about him.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2013 05:38 PM (oFCZn)

208 I like to *think* this will do the trick, but when there are more takers in the system than makers, the takers will vote Democrat. They will do this to protect their benefits from the Republicans who would cast them out in the street. We have become what our founding fathers feared: a democracy.

Posted by: Warthog at October 30, 2013 05:38 PM (Tm1Xr)

209 Wacha Wacha!

Posted by: Fozzie Bear at October 30, 2013 05:38 PM (niuxr)

210

'Night, JJ. Be sure to check out the Pear of Anguish.

 

Sweet dreams.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 05:38 PM (0HooB)

211 OMG sit down Pallone!!!!!!! Does he always seem drunk??

Posted by: Ktgreat: at October 30, 2013 05:38 PM (Bl4dy)

212 Apart from the left landing gear's failure to deploy, it flew beautifully.

Fixing the damage from that is gonna set'em back at least a half-million bucks unless this is a not-for-space prototype.  You can sleaze stuff some on atmospheric only drop dummies

Bent/fucked up mounts, overstressed spars, wrecked tiles, etc, etc.  Gotta be 4-6 months worth of repair work there to put everything right

Posted by: Ted Cruz tomorrow at October 30, 2013 05:38 PM (4tK7k)

213 Someone make sure Teh Petulant isn't taking the WH silverware.  I could see him taking AF1 and defecting to Venezuela.

Posted by: dogfish at October 30, 2013 05:39 PM (nsOJa)

214 Frank Pallone D-NJ has something seriously wrong with him. Maybe he is deaf. Or he doesn't know what insurance is. Why did the Kelly File book a guy who doesn't know what insurance is to discuss health insurance.

Posted by: Lester at October 30, 2013 05:39 PM (qTsuK)

215 Does Joe Wilson, the SC congressman who shouted out “you lie” during an Obama health case speech to Congress is 2009, and was vilified by the press, feel vindicated?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 30, 2013 05:39 PM (e8kgV)

216 164 >> GWB is doing a lot of work for the wounded warrior project.
 
Yes bonhomme, and I know that. That wasn't my point.
 
175 >> There is a hole in Billy where a soul belongs and it can never be filled.
 
Ahh jc, a Tombstone reference. With which I agree.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 30, 2013 05:39 PM (wNF3N)

217 The Democrats could run my hunting buddy's yellow Lab and get 45% of the popular vote. Way back they convinced millions that Hoover wrecked it, FDR fixed it and LBJ codified it. They are cultural Democrats and will vote against their own best interests in defense of their tribe, Welfare Nation.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 05:39 PM (qRD8F)

218

actually when you think about it, their bench is not that deep

 

for real

 

Hillary is old

 

Biden is strokey

 

Cuomo isn't interested and would have problems with NY at this point

 

Wasserman-Schultz, no way

 

Pelosi?  she's older than Vic!

 

Silky Pony is hopelessly tainted

 

What happened to their bench

 

right now it looks like Booker, Patrick, O'Malley, Julian Castro (no way), Wendy Davis (no way)

 

they have a crappy bench

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:40 PM (zOTsN)

219 How in the hell could Pallone be elected?
Never mind....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:40 PM (aDwsi)

220 193. This. They keep saying the insurance companies cancelled the crappy plans instead of the ridiculous shitty "grandfathering" definition they used.

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 05:40 PM (1ThpN)

221 >>Why did the Kelly File book a guy who doesn't know what insurance is to discuss health insurance. Insurance? He doesn't seem to know what capitalism means.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:40 PM (g1DWB)

222 Nobody's older than Vic.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:41 PM (P6QsQ)

223 The Cardinals problem? They've been playing scared/apprehensive since Game 1, whereas the Red Sox are relaxed yet intense. I'm glad it's gonna be over; I'm sick of the 'beard' crap.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 30, 2013 05:41 PM (fJwGp)

224 Ya those beards are nasty.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:42 PM (P6QsQ)

225 >>I'm glad it's gonna be over; I'm sick of the 'beard' crap. Things Michelle Obama says.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:42 PM (g1DWB)

226

Nobody's older than Vic.

 

 

This should have had a Methuselah sock.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 05:43 PM (wnXtk)

227 Graham is another guy with decline poll numbers: http://bit.ly/16neYnP

Posted by: MTF at October 30, 2013 05:43 PM (Wp/g8)

228 I forgot John Kerry, but he ran already and lost.  No way.  And Al Gore? please. 

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:43 PM (zOTsN)

229 Nobody's older than Vic.
---------------

(ahem)

Posted by: Methuselah at October 30, 2013 05:43 PM (aDwsi)

230 I beseecheth any violent mobbe to hasteaways suit towards older Cambridge, sacking as they wille.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 05:43 PM (ZshNr)

231

There was a time that ex-presidents gracefully faded to the background when out of office. That ended with Clinton, who was impeached.

So was Nixon, but he had something called "shame".

Ol' BJ will never be accused of that.

Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 05:44 PM (fIu3m)

232 ugh, i'm trying to stay on the ground,
1. unemployment  was rampant and people voted for more layoffs.
2. people voted for free BC and fear of Republicans making them barefoot and pregnant.
3. we will have the same fkn media  helping with their desired outcome.


ok now what is happening to those Media  owners at this point , how are they invested ? are they taking losses financially with Obama or  with the flop of obamacare or other regulations?
they have hidden so much from the citizenry  for ___? fellow travelers or power and a way to the ___?

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:45 PM (nqBYe)

233 My BoSox are chewing up some bird tonight.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at October 30, 2013 05:45 PM (ial2b)

234 They are cultural Democrats and will vote against their own best interests in defense of their tribe

Never before though has the cost of doing that been so immediate, the source of the cause so obvious, and the pain so dramatic.

Its easy to get people to accept shit that's not in their best interest when the pain is decades off, or the causal nexus not so easily identified.

This is something entirely different.  No president has ever branded their name on a piece of legislation in this manner

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 05:45 PM (4tK7k)

235 Mazola corn goodness.
Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 30, 2013 09:28 PM (Kud5A)
Ancient Chinese Secret! Oh, wait. Wrong racialist commercial...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 09:31 PM (uf1pv)
Sounds like some MST3K lines.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 30, 2013 05:45 PM (H0R/1)

236 227 Vic once babysat Methuselah.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 30, 2013 05:46 PM (wNF3N)

237 plus I want to see Hillary's medical records.  I think she stroked out after Benghazi.  That was no "concussion". 

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:47 PM (zOTsN)

238 They are cultural Democrats and will vote against their own best interests in defense of their tribe

Never before though has the cost of doing that been so immediate, the source of the cause so obvious, and the pain so dramatic.

Its easy to get people to accept shit that's not in their best interest when the pain is decades off, or the causal nexus not so easily identified.

This is something entirely different. No president has ever branded their name on a piece of legislation in this manner

Posted by: Purp at October 30, 2013 09:45 PM (4tK7k)


right and those voting for Obamacare were convinced Someone Else would be paying for their ideology.

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:48 PM (nqBYe)

239 The Dems are real artful in their selection of effective dates, whether it be for 404Care, debt limits, new taxes, continuing resolutions etc -- with an eye on the next election cycles. But the dates have arrived, and there's no place left to hide.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 30, 2013 05:49 PM (wNF3N)

240 plus I want to see Hillary's medical records. I think she stroked out after Benghazi. That was no "concussion". Posted by: thunderb
--------------------------

Bwahahahaha
Right after Bill releases his records
Bwahahaha

Posted by: Methuselah at October 30, 2013 05:50 PM (aDwsi)

241 There was a time that ex-presidents gracefully faded to the background when out of office. That ended with Clinton

Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 09:44 PM (fIu3m)


Carter did it before Clinton though not as bad. Democrat presidents both.  

Posted by: cm9000 at October 30, 2013 05:50 PM (3qZbZ)

242 Mmm, mmm, mmm.  Tears of the FSA.

Posted by: dogfish at October 30, 2013 05:50 PM (nsOJa)

243 doin' the happy dance . . .  {insert political blah blah, seething ball of hate, here}


Posted by: Peaches - GO SOX!!! at October 30, 2013 05:50 PM (8lmkt)

244 Broncobomb II: the unravelling

Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 05:50 PM (fIu3m)

245 GnuBreed and  i believe i read something on think progress that stated the "fullness" of obamacare wouldn't be reached until 2018

Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 05:50 PM (nqBYe)

246 Concussion? Rehab maybe.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:51 PM (P6QsQ)

247

My head nearly exploded hearing this Frank Pallone cretin. He actually said the reason they are cancelling so many plans is because those plans were all crap and no one will buy them once they see the good, cheap plans available from O-care.

      At that point, I nearly had a stroke.

     This is criminal level lying.

 

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at October 30, 2013 05:52 PM (M5Os+)

248 215 The Democrats could run my hunting buddy's yellow Lab and get 45% of the popular vote. Way back they convinced millions that Hoover wrecked it, FDR fixed it and LBJ codified it. They are cultural Democrats and will vote against their own best interests in defense of their tribe, Welfare Nation.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 09:39 PM (qRD8F)


===

So ....... this is why you have to take them on in their own language --


Oblamer/Pelosi/Reid have blown the dems biggest advantage because they are so obviously mean.


We agree that no one can do anything about the free shit army.  However, we can massively peel off the people who vote dem because they care.  That is being proven to be a huge lie right now.


They don't care.  They are mean.  They don't listen.   These messages will change those dem voters that are not on welfare if they are repeated loudly and constantly. 

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 05:53 PM (PlzOe)

249 Pay no attention to those pollsters behind the curtain!


Posted by: The Great and Pwerful Ob at October 30, 2013 05:55 PM (b/lt+)

250 Hey guys what's goin on in this threa--HOLY SHIT OBAMA'S FINALLY UNDERWATER ON PERSONAL FAVORABILITY SOMEBODY GET ME A BEER STAT.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 05:55 PM (n/+FT)

251 My head nearly exploded hearing this Frank Pallone cretin. He actually said the reason they are cancelling so many plans is because those plans were all crap and no one will buy them once they see the good, cheap plans available from O-care.
At that point, I nearly had a stroke.
This is criminal level lying.
Posted by: publius
------------------

Same here.
Rage stroke..., Thank You NJ.

I sure hope that segment gets posted to YouTube.

Posted by: Methuselah at October 30, 2013 05:55 PM (aDwsi)

252 Read something years ago about the press.. sort of paraphrasing but the only thing they love more than a hero is bringing down a hero. Feel free to correct me but that's the gist of it. Press smells blood in the water and they love it, doesn't matter who it is.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 30, 2013 05:55 PM (u25eL)

253 Dagnabbit

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:55 PM (P6QsQ)

254 The once happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with Blood, or Inhabited by Slaves

Posted by: George Washington at October 30, 2013 05:56 PM (g2i/p)

255 235 plus I want to see Hillary's medical records. I think she stroked out after Benghazi. That was no "concussion". Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 09:47 PM (zOTsN) She will never release her medical records because that "concussion" was her passing out drunk. Hil's an alcoholic, and if she releases her records, it will have that in it. Plus, no one in Washington seemed to question her absence last December which means they all know she was in rehab. Of course, what she will do is release a letter from her doctor saying that she is in excellent health. The same letter that Obama released while McCain and Romney released their full medical records.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at October 30, 2013 05:56 PM (BXLPR)

256 he's from NJ.  He prolly hasn't had to buy anything for himself in decades

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 05:56 PM (zOTsN)

257 No doubt Holder has sent a strongly worded letter (aka 'A Threat') to the polling company.

Posted by: Methuselah at October 30, 2013 05:56 PM (aDwsi)

258 *Chanting mystical voices wafting everywhere*


Only a mean man would lie to your face and fuck up your insurance.  He does not care about you.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2013 05:57 PM (PlzOe)

259 Ha. >>CBS News: Obamacare Website Failed Every Test Just Before It Went LiveÂ… http://tinyurl.com/ohy7u9c Yea, this is going to work out just fine.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 05:57 PM (g1DWB)

260 Going sockless

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 05:57 PM (aDwsi)

261 pay no attention to me, srsly, it's nothing.


Posted by: World Series Final Game at October 30, 2013 05:58 PM (8lmkt)

262 The Democrats could run my hunting buddy's yellow Lab>>> Actually Thor the Wonder Dog drools less than Biden and is cuter than Cankles.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 05:58 PM (qRD8F)

263 Engage the enemy more closely.

Posted by: "The Immortal Memory" at October 30, 2013 05:58 PM (EMDgP)

264

If at first you don't succeed then FUCK IT! We'll do it live. 

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 30, 2013 05:59 PM (Kud5A)

265 @259 Might not be the final game. Oh who am I kidding.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 05:59 PM (P6QsQ)

266 259 I take it boston is winning if peaches is socking

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 06:00 PM (qVKcL)

267 Here I am!  Just in time for November 2013, like you asked!

Wait, you said you needed me to come by November 2013, right?

[looks closely at invitation] Dammit...

Posted by: The Preference Cascade at October 30, 2013 06:00 PM (9F2c1)

268

Going sockless

 

Done.

Posted by: Anthony Keidis at October 30, 2013 06:00 PM (wnXtk)

269

CBS News: Obamacare Website Failed Every Test Just Before It Went LiveÂ…

 

Jewells,   you had "blood in the water?" Please pick up your winnings.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 06:00 PM (0HooB)

270 I hate hate hate hate hate the end of the baseball season. Hate it.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 06:00 PM (P6QsQ)

271 CBS News: Obamacare Website Failed Every Test Just Before It Went LiveÂ… *** So, basically, they just sat back and said, Launch it. What's the worse that could happen?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 06:01 PM (DmNpO)

272 I just want McCarver to shut the fuck up.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2013 06:02 PM (wnXtk)

273 264 259 I take it boston is winning if peaches is socking

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 10:00 PM (qVKcL)


6-0 Boston Strong, bottom of the 5th, they'll be burning cop cars in Southie tonight, bless their hearts.

Posted by: World Series Final Game at October 30, 2013 06:02 PM (8lmkt)

274 269 I hate hate hate hate hate the end of the baseball season. for us cubbies fans that's usually the second week of april

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 06:02 PM (qVKcL)

275 Is there a baseball game tonight?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 06:02 PM (aDwsi)

276

So, basically, they just sat back and said, Launch it. What's the worse that could happen?

 

 

YOLO!

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at October 30, 2013 06:02 PM (wnXtk)

277 There's no socking in baseball.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 30, 2013 06:03 PM (Kud5A)

278 True joe. Sad but true.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 06:03 PM (P6QsQ)

279 Will these baseball players be like zz top and refuse to shave those fugly beards when this is over??

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 06:03 PM (1ThpN)

280 Are the alphabet networks now openly calling it "Obamacare"? That would be a telling change.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 06:04 PM (qRD8F)

281 273 such slow slow fingers

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 06:04 PM (qVKcL)

282 279 Will these baseball players be like zz top and refuse to shave those fugly beards when this is over??

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 10:03 PM (1ThpN)


from what I've heard, they can't wait to get that skeevy shit off their faces . . .

Posted by: World Series Final Game at October 30, 2013 06:04 PM (8lmkt)

283 I hate the Red Soxs and anything from Boston. That is all.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2013 06:04 PM (0FSuD)

284 Will Gimli get the MVP?

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 30, 2013 06:04 PM (Kud5A)

285 >>I hate the end of baseball season as well. >>Of course, as a Cubs fan, that usually is around May Day. Oh cry me a river. As a Mets fan next season is already over.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 06:04 PM (g1DWB)

286 I'm the person that circles the day pitchers and catchers report to spring training on the calendar.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 06:04 PM (P6QsQ)

287 282. I hope so they are nasty

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 06:05 PM (1ThpN)

288 Oh, who am I kidding? We have no fans.

Posted by: Houston Astros at October 30, 2013 06:05 PM (j0wOO)

289 271 For a man on every year I have never heard a positive word about him. Or thought one.

Posted by: Baron bon Mot at October 30, 2013 06:06 PM (EMDgP)

290 Are you kidding me????

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 06:06 PM (P6QsQ)

291 Wow!!!! Ellsbury's awesome !!!

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 06:06 PM (1ThpN)

292 Boss Moss, a Shoeless Joe Jackson sock would have completed the thought.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 06:06 PM (qRD8F)

293 Cubs next year. Garaunteed.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 06:06 PM (AO9UG)

294 284 Two points.

Posted by: Baron bon Mot at October 30, 2013 06:07 PM (EMDgP)

295 Ellesbury. Okay, Im starting to feel sorry for you Cards fans.

Posted by: L, elle at October 30, 2013 06:07 PM (0xqKe)

296 I hate the Red Soxs and anything from Boston.

That is all.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2013 10:04 PM (0FSuD)


sorry for your troubles . . .

Posted by: Peaches at October 30, 2013 06:07 PM (8lmkt)

297 285 Oh cry me a river. As a Mets fan 1986....bill buckner you never said thank you

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 06:07 PM (qVKcL)

298 "for us cubbies fans that's usually the second week of april"

Then I guess for Bears fans it must end Monday night.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 06:07 PM (IV4od)

299 293 Cubs next year. Garaunteed. ---------- Just once before I die Lord. That's all I ask.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 06:08 PM (P6QsQ)

300 ONT up!  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 30, 2013 06:08 PM (0wHyk)

301 297 285 Oh cry me a river. As a Mets fan 1986....bill buckner you never said thank you Posted by: navycopjoe at October 30, 2013 10:07 PM (qVKcL) Meh. It was Stanley, not Buckner.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2013 06:08 PM (AO9UG)

302

My grandfather was a penguin farmer.

 

 

He advised me to never wear a tuxedo during penguin mating season. 

 

 

 

Thanks, Grandpa!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 06:09 PM (N/Sup)

303 And James Carville? Holy WTF?!?!

Posted by: Puttanesca, the sauce at October 30, 2013 06:10 PM (1ThpN)

304 >>@285.....you have to pay for "Lets Go, Mets Go". >>Worse Team Song.....Evah Uh, helloooo. Mets fans. You think we can remember anything longer than that?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 06:12 PM (g1DWB)

305 first ex-POTUS to live in exile Saudi, like all the other Moslem ex-leaders for life in exile.

Posted by: Idi Amin, last King of Scotland at October 30, 2013 06:12 PM (XFTOV)

306 The beard pulling is a bit ghey isn't it?  I believe it is metaphor.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 30, 2013 06:13 PM (jucos)

307 So, basically, they just sat back and said, Launch it. What's the worse that could happen?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 10:01 PM (DmNpO)


>>I think people underestimate how much a delay really screws this up further.  They really need these young people signing up now, or we haven't seen anything with the costs yet.  The fine isn't punitive enough to make people do it, really.  We call it a mandate, but there is truly not a lot of teeth in that mandate.


They kinda needed the young people to jump in quickly.  They really didn't need to have fully healthy young people get a few month of news stories about the escalating costs before they acted against their financial interests in signing up for this.   Fully healthy youth would have been best off with the catastrophic level stuff that is disappearing.  These lefties are boxed in badly as this drags on. 

Posted by: Dave S. at October 30, 2013 06:14 PM (UvR6d)

308 I never liked the bastard to start with, glad to see that there are more people getting the cluebat upside the head and being swatted back into reality.

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion at October 30, 2013 06:15 PM (IanLz)

309 307 The beard pulling is a bit ghey isn't it? I believe it is metaphor. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 30, 2013 10:13 PM (jucos
---

It's a metaphor..

Posted by: Quinten Tarentino at October 30, 2013 06:18 PM (E7Iyp)

310 Hey Cardinal fans, that'll teach you to vote for Romney. Now shut up and go shop for insurance. If the web site is slow just call the 1-800 number...Resistance is futile and your ass will be assimilated!

Posted by: Boston Bronco Bama at October 30, 2013 06:20 PM (niuxr)

311 Only the people who have been failed by other govt programs are signing up.

Posted by: Jack at October 30, 2013 06:25 PM (gWHwW)

312 269 I hate hate hate hate hate the end of the baseball season. Hate it. Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at October 30, 2013 10:00 PM (P6QsQ) I cancelled my cable TV last November. This is the first baseball postseason I've been without TV. I never missed it until now. It absolutely sucks not to be able to watch the World Series.

Posted by: rickl at October 30, 2013 06:27 PM (sdi6R)

313 72 OFuckwad sure has a cult like following. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 30, 2013 08:55 PM (15w2J)

Some conversation I overheard today, if not word for word petty close:

"He is supposed to be running the country, but they say no to anything he tries to do."

Posted by: cm9000 at October 30, 2013 09:09 PM (3qZbZ)

**********

Hard core.  These people will never change.  Look to history to see how far people like this are willing to go.

Posted by: gracepmc at October 30, 2013 06:28 PM (rznx3)

314 Hopefully this news will weaken that cult of personality thing Obama has going on. I've been thinking about that recently, and it's worried me a bit.

What I I'm talking about is, liberals (mainstream liberals, not full-blown hardline commies) have their opinions, and on certain issues they recognize that a lot of people don't agree with them, and that's okay, because they'll eventually win the day and convince everyone of the rightness of their cause. And then Obama issues a mild statement expressing his vague support for that view, and suddenly those same relatively mild-mannered liberals go full-blown radical, saying their view is the only legitimate view and anyone who disagrees with them goes out and clubs baby seals in his spare time.

We saw this before on gay marriage, where Obama spoke, and then an asshole tried to shoot up the Family Research Center, and then people I knew and liked said, essentially, "Well, yeah, of course it's terrible that this happened, and I'm glad nobody was hurt, but those Hatey McHatersons brought it on themselves with their extreme and hateful positions. Telling gay people they can't have legally sanctioned marriage to others of the same sex is just like the Holocaust! Those people are Hitler, and if you disagree with me then you're Hitler too!"

We saw it again just recently with the Washington Redskins, where liberals expressed their disapproval of the name with cutely crinkled noses for decades, and then Obama said it'd be sort of cool if the team name were changed, and suddenly DAN SNYDER IS THE DEVIL AND EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN THE WORLD.

I think it's awesome that Snyder responded to the uproar with, "Well, okay, I guess maybe the Washington Redskins isn't such a cool name, after all. So, starting next year, we'll be called... the DC Redskins. Ohhhhh! Suck it, libs!" That seemed to take some wind out of their sails.

Truth be told, I'm not crazy about the Redskins name, myself. But it's his team, and he can call it what he wants. And, had Snyder buckled, they would've then gone after the Cleveland Indians, the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta Braves, the Chicago Blackhawks... no Amerind-themed team nickname would've been safe. And, frankly, saying you can't name your team after certain people who have skin of a particular color because "that's racist" is, itself, a racist point of view.

What's wrong with "Atlanta Braves"? A "brave" is a type of warrior from that area. It's like saying you can't call your team the San Diego Sailors. Or, perhaps more pertinently, the New England Patriots, the Minnesota Vikings, the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, the Syracuse Orangemen (Syracuse is sort of close to New Jersey, after all)...

So, thank you, Dan Snyder, for thumbing your nose at your critics!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 30, 2013 06:51 PM (7KZod)

315

Ace, do you ever look at the poll data?   His numbers are down from last month basically because last month the Dem/Rep split was +12 for the Dems in the poll, this month it is only +9 ...hence his numbers are down.

 

It's pretty sad in this country right now mostly because self-identified Democrats will stick by their vote (due to the psychology of ownership) even when he screws up horrible.  Of course it is likely the other way around for a republican president as well.

 

Obama could be found to have personally murdered a million children and eat them and his approval rating in a +9 poll would be 40/56....it's just what the country is right now.  The dems will support him no matter what, the GOP won't and the moderates will move en masse.

 

Don't get me wrong, it would be the same thing for a GOP president, at least at this point in the politics of our country.

 

What the polls are going to do is slowly take that +12 Dem/Rep. reading and bring that down to about a +4 so that as the midterms come up they can bring the split back up to a +12 and claim that Obama and the democrats are making a comeback.

 

You can print that, it is what will happen with the liberal polling groups - everytime, that is just what they will do to try to make their chosen narrative reality.

Posted by: doug at October 30, 2013 07:10 PM (uJ8q7)

316

Ace, same thing with the healthcare law polling....no longer will they give the party split on reporting the healthcare, instead if they need to bump up the appearance of support for Obamacare, they just call up more city folk and less of everyone else.  They don't report on party split or where the calls came from, that way they can make the appearance that support for the law hasn't really diminished.

 

Of course in reality, they might have gotten a 75% support from the city two weeks ago and now only a 60% approval, but by counting more of them the second time they can keep the overall Obamacare number the same in the low 40's and keep their narrative alive.

Posted by: doug at October 30, 2013 07:13 PM (uJ8q7)

317

Ace, same thing with the healthcare law polling....no longer will they give the party split on reporting the healthcare, instead if they need to bump up the appearance of support for Obamacare, they just call up more city folk and less of everyone else.  They don't report on party split or where the calls came from, that way they can make the appearance that support for the law hasn't really diminished.

 

Of course in reality, they might have gotten a 75% support from the city two weeks ago and now only a 60% approval, but by counting more of them the second time they can keep the overall Obamacare number the same in the low 40's and keep their narrative alive.

Posted by: doug at October 30, 2013 07:13 PM (uJ8q7)

318 BoSox win!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at October 30, 2013 07:24 PM (ial2b)

319 Whenever I ask someone who voted for the president twice why they aren't seeing all this stuff out there and why they aren't commenting on it they look at me and they say "you'll see, it will all turn out fine, I have faith".   They don't all say it that way but that is the gist.  They trust that their instincts were correct and that somehow the president has some secret strategy that will turn all of this around for the good of, you guessed it, the middle class.  I only hope they are right and I sort of admire their steadfast belief.   Maybe that's how the republicans were with Reagan?  I'm not saying Bush because he lost a lot of republicans in his second term.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 30, 2013 07:35 PM (Nx76m)

320 Good Grief!Â… Testimony Of Kathleen Sebelius Is Word-For-Word Identical To Testimony Of CMS Administrator Marilyn Tavenner

http://tinyurl.com/nqzgfyy

Just when I've thought we had enough weirdness for today I had to check gateway pundit to find the above which probably should go in the you can't make this stuff up category.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 30, 2013 07:48 PM (Nx76m)

321 Second shoe will be a major recession soon as we are overdue for a slump according to historical numbers (or if you like, double dip recession)  Already the economy is running a fumes with a meager growth rate and inflation is soaring on what people buy.  Quantitative easing isn't working and the Fed can't stop it because it would cause a crash and a new stimulus plan would simply make things worse due to timing, waste, and the public budget. 

Throw in a couple of terrorist attacks and the Dems get a taste of 2008 electorate on the other side.  Course the stupid party is still the stupid party with political wizards such as McCain, Graham, and other such flotsam.


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Posted by: wg at October 30, 2013 08:21 PM (kP08B)

322 Just noticed on Yahoo an article titled: Obama blames 'bad apple' insurers for canceled coverage Ha ha ha. What a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 30, 2013 09:29 PM (/IXKu)

323 ...even ObamaÂ’s personal ratings are upside-down, with 41 percent viewing him a favorable light and... So,...when's this one going to dip below 40%? If this happens it'll be a newsworthy moment.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 30, 2013 10:38 PM (/IXKu)

324 I'm very surprised that anyone who is a fellatio expert can have a negative approval rating....very very surprised.

Posted by: torabora at October 31, 2013 03:02 AM (WLbax)

325 BTW I'd like to volunteer the cocksucker to be the first Prezident on Mars.

Posted by: torabora at October 31, 2013 03:06 AM (WLbax)

326 And if/ when you access your spankin' new mental health benefit, guess who finds out and decides you've got to turn over any guns you have? And I mean, even just for some generic marriage counseling, too. Ie. You could be angry and therefore a danger. Of course, most 2nd Amendment folks already hate Obie. This is another venue for confiscation. Mark my words. There's a reason this expensive option is included in o'care.

Posted by: Marybel at October 31, 2013 10:36 AM (HZWyD)

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