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September 22, 2013

— Gang of Gaming Morons!

Hiroshi Yamauchi 11/7/1927 - 9/19/2013

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NEWS

Well, TGS was this week and it followed the tradition of the past few years of being uneventful. But it did let the smaller Japanese games show up and be talked about.

• Like for instance, though Swery says you can use a controller, his upcoming D4 game meant to be played with the Kinect in a Heavy Rain style P&C game. As much as I really liked Deadly Premonition, I really hope someone from MS Osaka is helping him as the gameplay was DP's biggest weakness.

• New trailer for the upcoming Crimson Dragon (with audio this time). Don't know how I feel about using English instead of the made up language in the Panzer Dragoon games. Probably my most wanted game at launch. Hard to pass up a new Panzer Dragoon for $20.

• You have no idea on how much of a chubby I have at the thought of more Dark Souls on my PC. Just wish we were getting the damn limited editions for the PC

• So a lot of people are saying that the PS4-Vita remote play is good. I'm skeptical but either way, it should make for a good article from Digital Foundry

• The best thing on the Vita teases a sequel.

• So Deep Down is going to be F2P with a beta around the Japanese PS4 launch. It being F2P doesn't bother me but man, Capcom hasn't been able to get the concept of it right so far. And watching the stream that they had of attendees playing it gives me pause. Though it's five months out, the gameplay just doesn't look that interesting to me (at this point) even though I really dig the straight up Roguelike trappings. I really hope they can pull it out before it's released

• Ugh, bullet time in a Metal Gear Solid game.

• This is old but still fun

• Blizzard admits that they screwed up with having an auction house in Diablo 3. They're pulling it on March 18, 2014, give or take a few days.

• So Sega bought Index Corporation (parent company of Atlus). Probably one of the better spots for them (Nintendo would have been better) but deep down inside me, I wish MS picked them up just for the head explosions and lost in translation moments

• As much as I would love a physical release for the upcoming Phoenix Wright since Nintendo still can't figure out actual accounts but it's not in the cards. But, Phoenix Wright: Dual Destinies has finally got a release date. Out on October 24th for $29.99.

• You know, I totally forgot that Warhammer Online was still up. I guess it doesn't matter much since it won't be alive much longer as they announced that WAR will be shut down on December 18th. So much wasted potential with that game.

• Considering their last insane forcasts on the Vita, I was quite surprised to see that Sony is being realistic in their 5m PS4 units by March estimate.

• Yep, as expected, the new GTA blew off the doors on the 24 hour sales mark and has hit over $1 billion dollars. Game hasn't been that bad either. Return of the non-essential NPC derpface and can't find a radio station that I can leave it on but so far I would say it's in my top 3 in the 3rd person GTA games (behind San Andreas and Vice City).

• While GTAV is breaking the door off with becoming the biggest game ever, Monster Hunter 4 is also setting the Japanese chart on fire with selling out in 2 days with an estimated 1.875 million units in two days (it's over 2 million units and that isn't including the direct eShop purchases). In an era of this not happening that much any more (Monster Hunter 3 was the last one) , it's quite the feat.

Quite the somber picture

• Of course, Capcom couldn't help themselves by trolling Vita owners with an announcement that they're getting a release of the panned 7 year old F2P Monster Hunter Frontier G game.

• On that note, I have to kinda agree with Peter Molyneux that these numbers are nice but something like Puzzle & Dragons being more impressive with them being able to pull in $100-$120 million a month over the last 3 years on something that doesn't really have much upkeep compared to GTAV's reportedly $265m marketing and development budget.

• Neal Stephenson's kickstarter goes bust and then blames everyone but themselves.......please read this as it's mind numbingly stupid

• Yasumi Matsuno working with Playdek (king of digital boardgames) on two games? Never would have expected that but new card game and a SRPG from those two makes me salivate.

• Valve is teasing three things, would expect a Left4Dead3 (popped up on the registry), maybe something about the Steambox certification and Linux (as last week Gabe still claimed that Linux will revolutionize PC gaming).

• So not only is GOG giving away Flight of the Amazon Queen for free, they are also have a nice sale on RPGs (buy the Eschalon and Arcanum games)

• Arcade Heroes bringing photos and news about the upcoming Batman arcade game. Looking good, actually tempted to drive an hour to check it out during it's location test.

• The pre-order of the PC version of Agarest: Generations of War has hit Steam. If you don't mind a bit of a grind, this SRPG is quite good. It lets you bang chicks and have your bastard children fight your battles.

• Pre-orders of the US release of one of the greatest time traveling stories of all-time, Steins;Gate has finally opened. It's $39.95 for the download copy at JAST (charge you now) and J-List (charge you when it's released) or you can buy this spiffy limited physical edition for $59.99 plus shipping from Jast or J-List. I take no responsibility if you click around their stores and see porn and/or onaholes

• And speaking of Visual Novels, the loveable Higurashi: When They Cry has finally been greenlit for being on sale at Steam. Hopefully this gets more people to read through it as if you like weird and the macabre, you will dig this.

• I've been playing Card Hunter quite a bit this past week. It's a flash F2P with some microtransactions (haven't hit a wall where you needed to spend cash yet). It's a really cool dungeon crawler SRPG. You can check it out here

NEW RELEASES THIS WEEK

Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD (Wii U) - Yeah, I totally screwed up on this one with not listing it last week. With their constant Sunday releases, I was thinking this was coming out today but realistically, I just can't read a stupid calendar. It's an HD port of one of my favorite 3D Zelda games. Not much else to really say about it. You can go pick it up right now on the eShop for $50.

Armored Core: Verdict Day (PS3,360) - It's the new $50 stand-alone expansion to Armored Core V. If you dig mechs, it's hard to hate this series outside of FROM doing what they usually do and push the hardware farther than it can actually go. I would buy it myself but I'm on a sabbatical of not buying new console games vOv

FIFA 14 (PS3,360,PS2) - Another year, another FIFA game. This time you do get to upgrade from the 360/PS3 release to the PS4/One for $10 when the systems come out.

Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 (PS3,360) - Well, Konami supposedly went back to the drawing board after running the PES name through the mud these past 5 years or so. This time it's running on Kojima's Fox Engine.

Shadow Warrior (PC) - Well, the remake is finally coming out. Hopethisdoesn'tsuckHopethisdoesn'tsuckHopethisdoesn'tsuckHopethisdoesn'tsuck

That's it, I'm spent. Time for me to kick my feet up on a bench and lounge.
The Dude

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Posted by: Gang of Gaming Morons! at 11:17 AM | Comments (59)
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1 ugh, clock why you no work

Posted by: The Dude at September 22, 2013 11:17 AM (vJdyz)

2 Nice

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 11:20 AM (zZbNF)

3 The top looks like it would be "R" rated if it slipped down about 1/2 and inch.

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 11:20 AM (zZbNF)

4 Mmmm. Boots.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team No Seriously Fuck All Of This Shit So Hard at September 22, 2013 11:21 AM (Gk3SS)

5 I think that stupid fucking auction house is the reason I had to keep changing my battlenet password and getting my account unlocked. Just too much incentive for thieves to try and steal money.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 22, 2013 11:25 AM (LI48c)

6 I got elbows, knees, boots and legs in that pic, dunno how much more moron approved I can get

Posted by: The Dude at September 22, 2013 11:25 AM (vJdyz)

7 My only problem is that every time I refresh I see Yamauchi rather than Flight Captain Pinky McBoots.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 22, 2013 11:26 AM (qyfb5)

8 I think that stupid fucking auction house is the reason I had to keep changing my battlenet password and getting my account unlocked. Just too much incentive for thieves to try and steal money.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 22, 2013 03:25 PM (LI48c)

eh, it's just how Blizzard's stuff usually goes. I've had the same problem for the last 3 years or so

Posted by: The Dude at September 22, 2013 11:26 AM (vJdyz)

9 Been playing a bunch of SteamWorld Dig on my 3ds. Fun little game.

Anyone else play Animal Crossing:New Leaf? I have almost every fruit now and I am always looking for places to sell turnips without getting owned.

Posted by: Zakn at September 22, 2013 11:30 AM (zyaZ1)

10 Auction houses in general are damaging to most games that have them. Too much stuff players should be adventuring/questing for is available, and often times ridiculously cheap. In neverwinter, I outfitted my rogue for next to nothing in top end gear. I was buying it when I started playing, and stuck the pieces in the bank, as I acquired them. Hit max level, and strapped it all on. Never killed a single mob that dropped any of that. Makes the game rather meh, IMO.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 22, 2013 11:31 AM (sCynV)

11 Blizzard admits that they screwed up with having an auction house in Diablo 3. They're pulling it on March 18, 2014, give or take a few days.

They made Cake Girl cry. Damn them all to Hell!

Posted by: kbdabear at September 22, 2013 11:31 AM (/9IC1)

12 My only problem is that every time I refresh I see Yamauchi rather than Flight Captain Pinky McBoots.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at September 22, 2013 03:26 PM (qyfb5)

there are better pics of Aria (girl's name) out there, can't post them here though

Posted by: The Dude at September 22, 2013 11:32 AM (vJdyz)

On remote play.

I'd note something here and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me the "remote play" (or other streaming varieties) of various things always works great (in the ideal environment set up at these demo stations, where you're going through a router specially designed to connect these two devices...blah blah blah.)

I remember OnLive running into this too. Everything worked great on show floors, and then went "boom" when people tried to take it home (I dunno if they ever fixed it.)

(And no, I'm not just bitter because I passed on picking up a Free OnLive box-thingy at PAX in 2011, I was not waiting in that line unless they were handing out...eh, put you're own super valuable thing here.)

Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 22, 2013 11:32 AM (GaqMa)

14 The pink haired girl

I wondered what Rum has been up to lately

Posted by: kbdabear at September 22, 2013 11:34 AM (/9IC1)

15 "Linux will revolutionize PC gaming."

Well, I hope so since my next pc will be built up from components and will not have Windows 8 on it.

Posted by: Too Many Cookies at September 22, 2013 11:35 AM (ys13V)

16 You have no idea on how much of a chubby I have at the thought of more Dark Souls on my PC. Just wish we were getting the damn limited editions for the PC
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God, I love me some swords and sword action.
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Personally, upgraded a few things on my gaming PC. Another new SS hard drive to up my performance a bit. A new game mouse, which is super easy to program. And, a new mechanical gaming keyboard (Ducky, of course!) to enhance my playing.
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Not feeling the love with Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. Falling through the world/getting stuck way too much. A bit too much lag. And, annoying if you and your spouse/friend start with a different class, and you end up not being able to play/port with each other until level 15 or whatever. Pretty boring for me so far, too. I'm playing an Archer, atm.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 22, 2013 11:35 AM (IXrOn)

That Neal Stephenson kickstarter rant was hilarious for all the wrong reasons.

The way I read it, he's pissed because not enough people drank the kool-aid that is Neal Stephenson. I like swords, and swordfighting, but there isn't enough interest for a new swordfighting mechanic. It's very much a niche market.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at September 22, 2013 11:36 AM (lr3d7)

18 there are better pics of Aria (girl's name) out there, can't post them here though

Posted by: The Dude at September 22, 2013 03:32 PM (vJdyz)

oops, that should be Aira

Posted by: The Dude at September 22, 2013 11:37 AM (vJdyz)

19 Auction houses in general are damaging to most games that have them. Too much stuff players should be adventuring/questing for is available, and often times ridiculously cheap.

In neverwinter, I outfitted my rogue for next to nothing in top end gear. I was buying it when I started playing, and stuck the pieces in the bank, as I acquired them. Hit max level, and strapped it all on. Never killed a single mob that dropped any of that. Makes the game rather meh, IMO.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 22, 2013 03:31 PM (sCynV)

that's why I'm a big fan of bound items.

certain items should be bound to char, like quest gear/weapons, while blue or higher to rare and unique s/be able to be traded.

some games do a good job of this

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 22, 2013 11:38 AM (IXrOn)

20 Linux, huh, good God, y'all! I think it will revolutionize gaming like it revolutionized everything else. Wait, gaming already has poor customer support and flaky interface design. Never mind. (PS like everything, linux is good for some things - it needs to *have* a revolution before it revolutionizes anything else.)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 22, 2013 11:44 AM (qyfb5)

21 Â• You know, I totally forgot that Warhammer Online was still up. I guess it doesn't matter much since it won't be alive much longer as they announced that WAR will be shut down on December 18th. So much wasted potential with that game. I loved this game when it first came out. Couldn't stop playing it. Then, it didn't grow, and became rote...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 22, 2013 11:44 AM (IXrOn)

22 It's okay. Yamauchi still has two more lives.

Posted by: no good deed at September 22, 2013 11:46 AM (k55Fc)

23 Best thing about WAR was the PVP but failed pretty much everywhere else

Posted by: The dude at September 22, 2013 11:47 AM (vJdyz)

24 Posted by: no good deed at September 22, 2013 03:46 PM (k55Fc) Think he lost those in the 70's when he almost destroyed Nintendo

Posted by: The dude at September 22, 2013 11:49 AM (vJdyz)

25 Best thing about WAR was the PVP but failed pretty much everywhere else Posted by: The dude at September 22, 2013 03:47 PM (vJdyz) goes without saying, imho the only reason I played it was to kill other players that is one of the big FAILS in FFXIV:Realm Reborn, btw... no pvp, which I cannot live without.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 22, 2013 11:52 AM (IXrOn)

26 Seriously people, check out Steins;Gate. It's a visual novel but it's pretty good

Posted by: The dude at September 22, 2013 11:55 AM (vJdyz)

27 When I see that picture of Yamauchi (which is difficult to look at knowing Coochy McBoots is just a little scroll down), I keep thinking "I just do eyes! Just eyes!"

Posted by: NotAMoose at September 22, 2013 11:59 AM (ZZg4j)

28 Currently drinking on the street in Cincy at Octoberfest. You may curse my name and go back to drooling over cosplay pics

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at September 22, 2013 12:07 PM (at+o4)

29 I don't curse your name, just feel sympathy that your in Cincy

Posted by: The dude at September 22, 2013 12:09 PM (vJdyz)

30 But drinking, and beer wench outfits.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at September 22, 2013 12:13 PM (at+o4)

31 I use both Windows and Linux (Arch,LinuxMint) and I have to say when Windows 8 is the "mandatory" windows version I will be using only Linux. I absolutely HATE the metro UI and its watered down clunky smart phone interface. Just like the GNOME and Unity people. Not everyone wants their desktop to operate like a freaking smart phone. I don't want to have to learn keyboard shortcuts for twelve different programs just so some dumbass developer can make fisher price UI layouts.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 22, 2013 12:21 PM (M1gmo)

32 Very good Sheryl Nome cosplay. Better than Yaya Han just recently over in Germany.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 22, 2013 12:31 PM (nqb9X)

33 I don't want to have to learn keyboard shortcuts for twelve different programs just so some dumbass developer can make fisher price UI layouts.
Posted by: NWConservative at September 22, 2013 04:21 PM

And Bill Gates, wherever you are out there ...

FUCK YOU TOO!!!

Posted by: Lt Col Frank Slade at September 22, 2013 12:32 PM (/9IC1)

34 http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/09/tokyo-game-show-gallery/?viewall=true

Posted by: The dude at September 22, 2013 12:32 PM (vJdyz)

35 @33: Win8 and Metro are purely Steve Ballmer things. BillG is innocent

Posted by: Ian S. at September 22, 2013 12:37 PM (T6c9C)

36 About to delete off the PC the MMO Prime World. There is one fight you must finish but every time I try to tackle it, failure. What is aggravating is all the stupid NPC dialog I must suffer through each time as I try and finish all the mini-quests before the big fight. And until this fight is accomplished, well no progression.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 22, 2013 12:40 PM (nqb9X)

37 Yamauchi, way too much nostril.

Posted by: Henry Waxman (D) at September 22, 2013 12:41 PM (CYS6Q)

38 35 @33: Win8 and Metro are purely Steve Ballmer things. BillG is innocent.

Yeah, I am so glad that he is on the way out along with all the other idiots who thought that Win8 was UBER AWESOME.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 22, 2013 12:42 PM (M1gmo)

39 Yeah, I am so glad that he is on the way out along with all the other idiots who thought that Win8 was UBER AWESOME. I don't get the attraction of Win8. Win7 is fine...a bit slow, IMO, but it kind of sort of works like windows. Win8 is like they started with the preposition of "Hey you guys! Lets just change everything! Because! It'll be fabulous!". Wife has Win7, I have Vista, and I'm not going to 'upgrade' just I can play 'Find the edit button' over and over again.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 22, 2013 12:57 PM (sCynV)

40 Sorry to bother y'all with my Skyrim problems again, but while I much enjoy gaming, I think I'm too old to be very good at it. Anyhoo, would you kind souls have any hints on how to: 1. Drive off Alduin after learning Dragonrend (I can't get the *&%(# out of the sky! 2. Kill that blasted Miraak. I've got healing potions coming out the wazoo, and an armor rating of 388, but I can't get past where he kills the dragon I rode to his island.

Posted by: Empire1 at September 22, 2013 12:59 PM (KUxI+)

41 1. Drive off Alduin after learning Dragonrend (I can't get the *&%(# out of the sky!

You use the Dragonrend shout on Alduin, forcing him to land. After you cause sufficient damage, he flies off and you proceed to the next part of the main quest.

Posted by: DKCZ at September 22, 2013 01:06 PM (EgGjx)

42 Thanks for the thread, Dude.

Amusing Teemo lore video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2JW0AsLMc

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 22, 2013 01:10 PM (0wHyk)

43 Did Microsoft ever release their fix that will make 8 almost start acting like its a computer os instead of a phones or are we still waiting on that?

Posted by: Buzzion at September 22, 2013 01:15 PM (X+K5Y)

44 Posted by: Buzzion at September 22, 2013 05:15 PM (X+K5Y) Your waiting for 8.1 or you can just buy Stardock's Start8 for $5

Posted by: The dude at September 22, 2013 01:17 PM (vJdyz)

45 Did Microsoft ever release their fix that will make 8 almost start acting like its a computer os instead of a phones or are we still waiting on that? Oh sure. Sure. They're working on it. They'll call it windows 9, and charge you 150 bucks to upgrade to it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 22, 2013 01:19 PM (sCynV)

46 DKCZ -- That's what I've been trying to do, but as I said, it isn't working. I shout at him as often as it recharges, but he just keeps flying. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out WHAT! ::frustration::

Posted by: Empire1 at September 22, 2013 01:24 PM (KUxI+)

47 36 About to delete off the PC the MMO Prime World. There is one fight you must finish but every time I try to tackle it, failure. What is aggravating is all the stupid NPC dialog I must suffer through each time as I try and finish all the mini-quests before the big fight. And until this fight is accomplished, well no progression.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 22, 2013 04:40 PM (nqb9X)

First I've ever heard of that game. Sounds somewhat interesting, though it has mediocre reviews. You enjoy the DotA/MOBA game type?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 22, 2013 01:25 PM (0wHyk)

48 Oh, and as more games come out with Linux support, the less likely it is I'll ever upgrade windows again.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 22, 2013 01:27 PM (sCynV)

49 45 Did Microsoft ever release their fix that will make 8 almost start acting like its a computer os instead of a phones or are we still waiting on that? Oh sure. Sure. They're working on it. They'll call it windows 9, and charge you 150 bucks to upgrade to it. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 22, 2013 05:19 PM (sCynV) Well I have windows 7 so ha I can probably hold out for quite a while before needing a new operating system. It might even be long enough for them to realize that smartphones work the way they do because of their screen size and not how "awesome" they are and wouldn't be that way if it was a 20" monitor with keyboard and mouse interface.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 22, 2013 01:45 PM (myRkn)

These gamer posts are fascinating. I don't play video games often because busy (and so old I was a D&D guy), but my kids do and I love the work and info you pack into these posts. I almost feel like I know what's going on.

Re GTA; a one-day, billion dollar revenue product?!? And it's virtually invisible to mainstream media (other than advertising)?!? That right there tells you more than you ever needed to know about how controlled, PC and tunnel visioned the media is. Even if you just thought the MSM was all about money, you could not be less correct.

Thanks for the interesting posts and info on what the cool guys are up to.

Posted by: key at September 22, 2013 02:50 PM (fgjhb)

51 I have been playing Animal Crossing: New Leaf almost daily since June 20th (whenever it came out). I'm starting to finally get a little sick of it, although I'd like to keep going at least long enough to complete my museum and all my house renovations.

It's annoying that there are so many hoops you have to jump through before the game will grant you certain upgrade possibilities. For example, it's been three months, and I still can't get anyone to request a coffee shop. Dammit, I want KK Slider already!

Posted by: Kensington at September 22, 2013 03:03 PM (uaEZS)

52 How can you seriously post a picture like that with a caption of "Close It Up"? Is that halal, too?

Posted by: Alabama Mike at September 22, 2013 03:17 PM (9Tj+9)

53 Hiroshi Yamauchi 11/7/1927 - 9/19/2013 The guy reminds me of prolific Japanese actor James Shigeta.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 22, 2013 03:25 PM (ItfcE)

54 KK Slider shows up on Saturday nights.

The game is a bit too "grindy"

Posted by: Zakn at September 22, 2013 04:17 PM (zyaZ1)

55
Oh sure. Sure. They're working on it. They'll call it windows 9, and charge you 150 bucks to upgrade to it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 22, 2013 05:19 PM (sCynV)

Ha! It will have even less features than the previous iteration and will have only three buttons on the UI:internet, games, media. The operating system also will need to have 16GB of ram and will use 12GB of it just to run all the bloated inefficient software. Everything else will be hidden in 47 different menus that you can't customize and half of which will have pop ups asking you if you are sure you want to go there.

Not to mention that Microsoft was seriously thinking about giving out a modular windows operating system that you would need to pay extra just to get standard features.

Posted by: NWConservative at September 22, 2013 04:38 PM (M1gmo)

56 DKCZ -- That's what I've been trying to do, but as I said, it isn't working. I shout at him as often as it recharges, but he just keeps flying. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out WHAT! ::frustration::

Posted by: Empire1 at September 22, 2013 05:24 PM (KUxI+)

If you're hitting him with the Dragonrend shout (note that it is possible to miss) but it isn't having any effect, then it sounds like a bug. You could try using the in-game console to advance the quest (the command is setstage MQ206 220).

Posted by: DKCZ at September 22, 2013 04:56 PM (EgGjx)

57 In "Animal Crossing: A New Leaf", KK Slider does NOT show up on Saturday nights until he's got somewhere to play. And that doesn't happen until some animal requests that you build a club for him to appear it.

And after three months of playing, none of the animals have made that request!

Thus, no KK Slider.

Posted by: Kensington at September 22, 2013 06:21 PM (uaEZS)

58 Hm. I thought I saw him a few weeks ago. I am new to Animal Crossing.

2148-9099-5097

Posted by: Zakn at September 22, 2013 06:30 PM (zyaZ1)

59 Oh you are talking about actually building the club. You have to hit some basic infrastructure before your Residents will bug you for it. The dang thing is pricey, so it's nice that the game wants you to demonstrate that you can make bells before asking a fuckton of them from you.

Once I figured out beetle island, I was making 2-300k a night and then playing the stalk market making bank.

Posted by: Zakn at September 23, 2013 05:17 AM (zyaZ1)

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