1 It's been nothing but a power and money grab by lefties and greedy scientists. They have caused extreme harm to our economy and therefore harmed people. They all belong in prison.

2 I for one welcome the coming iceage.

3 That video is going to give me nightmares for another week.
What ever happened to the diving girl? I had to bail out early.

4 Curiously, he says to continue trusting models (gotta keep that phat grant cash flowing), then goes on to explain how not accounting for actuals maybe means some kinda/sorta/possibly crucial stuff is missing or wrong

IE, One day we'll have the technology and the grad student man-power to finally nail down our bullshit. Until then  MACHEN SIE MIT DAS GELD!

5 Hey Purp  still kickin' ass

6 Exactly. The Global Warming scam is one of the worst abuses of Science in recent memory and has severely undermined trust in scientists in general. They so obviously have been lying about this for so long. They steal so many bases: 1) They imply computer models of the future have the same rigor as experimental models. 2) They use surveys of "scientists" as proof. Even though most of the "scientists" surveyed have no expertise in the field. A social psychologists opinion on global warming has no more validity than a Best Buy salesmen, probably less. 3) They routinely "adjust" the data, always in the direction that favors their model. 4) They data-mine like, curve-fit, and if, worse comes to worse, they'll just make up data. Anything to make the data fit their model, rather than fit the model to the data. I hate these bastards for dragging good science through the mud for their political agenda. It makes it much harder to convince people of actual science they might not like that has actual experimental proof -- like evolution. Global warming has zero experimental proof, just half-ass computer models, crap unverified data, and left-wing zealots guarding it all like jihadis guarding the Koran.

7 Well sure you should trust models.  Especially when they're naked in your bed.

8 In the fossil and geologic record there is no evidence of CO2 driving climate. But you can't tax a volcano.

9 But you can't tax a volcano.

Wanna bet?

10 Speaking of climate, I hope all the Morons on the Front Range are OK and not in danger of losing homes nor lives

11 8 In the fossil and geologic record there is no evidence of CO2 driving climate. But you can't tax a volcano. Posted by: Beagle at September 14, 2013 02:00 PM

You can too! There's a volcano on line 25b of the 1040 form!!

12 Appeasing the weather gods was so much easier back when we could just shovel a few virgins into a volcano. Too bad there aren't any virgins left.

13
I did feel a slight warming in my pants area with that pic of the cheerleader below.

and Early OT:  Breitbart has a bombshell.

http://tinyurl.com/nyzdlft

14 In the fossil and geologic record there is no evidence of CO2 driving climate. But you can't tax a volcano.

Posted by: Beagle at September 14, 2013 02:00 PM (sOtz/)

Why not? O'Malley figured out how to tax rain.

15 So Germans are the standards by which science is authenticated, because Germans have a history in science and engineering, so they're the experts. So the German Climate Scientists aren't all confused by the new data, and there is nothing wrong with their computer model.

It's that Google Translation that is screwing everything up. Once Google starts translating every language, then every language is going to be pidgin patois.

There are several hypotheses as that must durchdeklinieren at the end.

16

I demand content or a non-content post of some sort, on one topic or another that may or may not interest me!

 

Carry on.

17 Evolution has actual experimental proof? Oh, yeah. If you hit fruit flies with radiation you get,, wait for it,,, screwed up fruit flies.

18 17 Evolution has actual experimental proof?
Oh, yeah.
If you hit fruit flies with radiation you get,,
wait for it,,,
screwed up fruit flies.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 14, 2013 02:08 PM (h1gQR)

 

We have experimental prrof of natural selection, and evolution is natural selection writ large.  It is a pretty sound scientific Theory, though whether it adequately explains the existence of modern humans is a legit question.

19 12 Appeasing the weather gods was so much easier back when we could just shovel a few virgins into a volcano *** Yeah but Helen Thomas is already dead.

20 Brian Dennehy would have gotten it right..... just sayin'

21 The girl in the video was fine.  The lessons of the video seem to be:

1 inflatable balls will bounce you into trouble.
2 human balls attract skateboards
3 the world is made of cheaply made trash
4 never attempt anything, your failures will live long after you've learned from them.

22 But you can't tax a volcano.

Posted by: Beagle

I've wondered about the amt of CO2 coming from undersea volcanic vents. Since we don't have a complete survey of all undersea activity and geologists have used interpolation to arrive at an estimate, how certain can anyone be about the % of natural contribution of GW gases?

In the 90's a study of mid-ocean ridges had suggested a 10-fold in increase in the estimated number of sea mounts (Smith and Cann). 10x! One study!

Even if the geo-thermal estimation is off by a factor of 3 or 2, that's a shit load more GW gases from natural origins.

23 But seriously - models that have been validated ought to be trusted - as *approximate* descriptions of reality.

Too many people don't even undertand the difference between a model and an experimental result.  Which is why so many people have been conned by the global warming nonsense.

24 There has always been evolution within species. The diversity of species on the planet evolving from primordial goo is, and always has been, a load of mule cookies.

25 Too many people don't even undertand the difference between a model and an experimental result.

And we like it that way.

26 So when is Obama gonna lay down the green line?

27 What's the line on Obama going down? and who's making book on it?

28 Getting Experimental results requires actual ummm...work. 

Much easier to simply twiddle some knobs and dials on a phony model and get whatever result you want.

29

Isn't talking about Germans during Yom Kippur anti-semitic? Because of racism and stuff? And why are all the pawn shops closed? Anybody wanna buy a typewriter?

30 Global Warming: Dead NY Yankees 2013: Died in Boston

31 2) They use surveys of "scientists" as proof. Even though most of the "scientists" surveyed have no expertise in the field. A social psychologists opinion on global warming has no more validity than a Best Buy salesmen, probably less. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 14, 2013 01:59 PM (ZPrif) It's even worse than that. The two "97%" studies they've been pushing are just outright lies. The earlier claim was a lie, and a terrible one. A survey was taken of 10,257 AGU scientists, of whom a few thousand reported, who were then whittled down by a secret process to 77, 75 of whom agreed that humans had a significant impact on the environment. http://bit.ly/tFW5a6 http://bit.ly/OkeTau 75 out of 10,257 is 97%. The second, Cook, was basically, again, a secret review of selected papers by members of a pro-AGW blog, and was also grossly inaccurate and methodologically unsound: http://bit.ly/15gQQp1 http://bit.ly/16gXkBL When people habitually lie to you, it's okay to consider them untrustworthy. Because that's what the freakin' word means.

32 These guys are sifting about like Obama on Syria. Aimlessly grasping for something to save their careers. True climate scientists like Dr Curry realized early that the train had left the station. The rest of these halfwits don't get the fact that those who jump off first will not be at the wreck.

33

@22

Good point about natural CO2  and other gases  from volcanoes.  But it is the sudden cooling events caused by the aerosols which interested me after I began to turn over the rock that is government-funded climate research.  Some of the strongest climate correlations in human history involve volcanoes and sudden cooling events.  Mt. Pinatubo in 1993 was credited with a half degree drop in global temps.  Which is not significant until you realize that suddenly wipes out a half century of warming.  

 

Mt. Tambora is linked to The Year of No Summer and the Year of Famine in the early Nineteenth Century.  

 

And in the scary-as-hell-if-true file you can search Mt. Toba and human population bottleneck.  There's more, but that one gets the point across better than anything.    

 

 

34 But....carbon dioxide is organic, man. It's like plant food, and stuff.

35 I had wondered what had happened to the hog on ice guy. I finally went a googling. Boy, he has lost it...

36 Organic means that it contains carbon.

37 The first time I ever heard anything about Globull Warming I went out and looked at a few things.  I knew immediately that the entire thing was a scam.  Then I looked at the proposed solutions and saw what they were.  My resulting comment which I posted at Townhall (where I used to hang out) was the real problem was that we were not taxed enough and they created a fraudulent reason to raise taxes.



On a separate note just got a notice in the mail from my retirement account providers.  My medical coverage will be shit on in 2014.  That is after a 60% increase in my part of the premiums this year.  When I turn 65 it looks like it will pretty much go away altogether.

38 Krakatoa's particulates supposedly darkened skies for almost two years

39 Can they cure volcanoes?

40 Remember that beer ad where the guy is skipping stones into the ocean, and his blackberry vibrates across the table top, and the guy skips the blackberry into the ocean?

Ya, like that.

41 Global Warming Question: I live in NJ, do I buy a snow blower this fall?

42 38 Hence the phrase "Creepy-ass Krakatoa"

43 Can they cure volcanoes?

Maybe a big honking nuke?  Release the lava dome's pressure before it gets all splody?

The cure may be worse than the disease though...although in the case of Yellowstone, probably not.

44 @31- Merovign Thank you sir. That's the kind of info that could go into a "global warming" sub folder of an information clearinghouse folder in the sidebar,, if there was such a thing.

45 Oh by the way all Morons who have no place to break fast can come to my house today. Nevergiveup is still fasting, well of course that gin and tonic I am drinking does not count. I mean my liberal family and my younger daughters commie no good boyfriend is also coming so I believe I read somewhere that the Pope gave me a dispensation to drink early.

46

evolution is natural selection writ large.

 

Um, no. No it is not. Natural selection is just the idea that the fittest are most likely to breed and produce descendants - even the most die hard Six-Days-6000-Years-Ago Creationist doesn't dispute that. As a matter of fact, natural selection and even speciation/microevolution is a major part of modern Creationist theories.

47 You don't see Putin falling for this Warming Sh*t, do you? Now that he's the World's Go To  Guy, I think we should listen to him.  hee hee hee

48 It turns out that high volcanic aerosols have far less effect on climate than previously thought. The effect is sharp, but very short, amounting to  severe seasonal weather. The effect of continual huge volcanic plume eruptions would be decidedly different, however there have been none such , at least on the surface, for millions of years.
While not so much a climate issue, Asiatic soot, smoke, and desertification has very disturbing environmental effects.

49 Russian President Vladimir Putin has accepted Iran’s invitation to visit Tehran to work out a strategy for the Islamic regime’s nuclear program, Fars News Agency reported Saturday. The West believes the Iranian program is a front for developing nuclear weapons. Putin, seen by Iran’s clerical establishment as a strong opponent to America and the West — especially after his successful political play on averting a U.S. missile strike on Syria — was approached by Iran to protect the Islamic regime in the face of continued pressure by the West over its illicit nuclear program. Russia and the U.S. reached agreement Saturday to take control of Syrian President Bashar Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal by mid-2014. And so it continues: the fall of western civilization. Thanks obama

50 Oh, man, we're not getting into "people who don't know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory" territory here?

51 46  The idea of "fitness" is tautalogical bullshit

52 The BEAR is back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA I think we all better buy us a BEAR gun

53 EBT thwarts survival of the fittest.

54 The effect is sharp, but very short, amounting to severe seasonal weather.

Yellowstone caldera is said to be a planet killer

55 53  For just one example

56 Re: volcanoes. My dream scenario is that a smodlet smacks into that island that's going to crack in half and cracks it in half causing half to splash into the ocean causing a 100 mile high tsunami that smacks into the East Coast and somehow sets off the New Madrid fault line which then causes the Yelowstone calderra to blow which sets off the Cascadia subduction zone. I'm a cock eyed optimist like that.

57 And the Yankees are dying a very silent slow boring death in Boston.

58 OT LOL! http://tinyurl.com/m3se8qj Apologize of it has been posted already.

59 Yellowstone caldera is said to be a planet killer Posted by: Purp at September 14, 2013 02:35 PM (9MLX+) Yeah but I can't wait all year. SMOD don't let me down

60 2 observations about all Fail compilations.
1) After a guy does something that could potentially put him in the hospital or the morgue, or at least he is in obvious pain, his buddies always laugh
uncontrollably.  Very occasionally, and much later, one of them might ask if he is okay
2)  There are lots of cute young girls, often in bikinis.  Their first instinct is always to ask if their friend is alright.

It isn't clear to me what connection there is between the two, but I'm sure there is one.

61

Oh, man, we're not getting into "people who don't know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory" territory here?

 

Given that even mainstream scientists seem to be coming to the conclusion that the Scientific Method, as taught to the general public in grade school, doesn't actually exist in the wild (there is a lot of concern about how many people are dropping out of science disciplines when they get to college and learn that most of what they have been taught about science is simplified to the point of being a lie), I am not really sure how folks would define the difference.

62 I repeat: the floods in Colorado are the result of overly COLD temperatures for this time of year.

63 The effect of continual huge volcanic plume eruptions would be decidedly different, however there have been none such , at least on the surface, for millions of years.

I've been busy, okay?

64 Of course evolution is more than just natural selection, but the latter is the bulk part of the former.  And evolution is a capital T Theory, as it is a hypothesis that fits the observations and elements of it (genetic drift, genetic shift, natural selection) have been tested and/or observed and validated in the real world without being refuted by any valid experiment to date.  A Theory still allows for falsification, after all.  There is actually stronger scientific data to refute the General Theory of Relativity than the Theory of Evolution, who among you is going to to stomp and shout that we should call E=mc^2 a hypothesis?

65

The idea of "fitness" is tautalogical bullshit

 

If you assume a priori that the primary purpose of an organism is to reproduce, than the concept seems pretty sound. Of course, there is always the problem that accidents happen, even to the "fittest."

66 At least the 'ettes will be happy if Yellowstone blows up.

They might get to meet Viggo Mortenson wandering around

67 No love for me?

68 What really tears my ass up is the overwhelming evidence of Global Cooling in the last 2 or 3 years despite the fact that the lying warmies are doing everything they can to hide it with fraudulent numbers.


record breaking cold Winters

record breaking snow falls

Glaciers coming in from Canada knocking US houses off of their foundations.

Winters that refuse to go away.


This Summer the coolest measured on record ever.

Polar ice packs increasing (remember when that was a sign of warming?)

Despite all this the commies keep calling for action to increase taxes AND shitforbrains is doing that using is power a dictator. And the House is letting him get away with it.

69 It was never about the environment, it was always about power and control.

70 and Early OT: Breitbart has a bombshell.

The Advocate has the bombshell. Breitbart's just passing that along.

But serious kudos to The Advocate. That can't have been easy to publish.

71 /Justinianic apocalypse sock off

72 21 The girl in the video was fine. The lessons of the video seem to be: 1 inflatable balls will bounce you into trouble. 2 human balls attract skateboards 3 the world is made of cheaply made trash 4 never attempt anything, your failures will live long after you've learned from them. Posted by: Null at September 14, 2013 02:12 PM (P7hip) 5 little dogs can have a wonderful time on a large rubber ball behind your back!

73 President Barack Obama welcomed an agreement Saturday to secure and destroy Syria's chemical weapons stockpile as an "important, concrete step" toward the ultimate goal of eliminating them but warned that the US remains prepared to act if the attempt at a diplomatic solution fails. As he slinks away with his tail between his legs.

74 Siberian traps at September 14, 2013 02:41 PM (6TB1Z)

Just stay napping. That is all we ask.

75 Geez alexthechick, you should be a disaster movie script writer with that kind of thinking.

76 It turns out that high volcanic aerosols have far less effect on climate than previously thought. The effect is sharp, but very short, amounting to severe seasonal weather.

Yeah, but once the winter is done, the plague-rats who've just moved into your city don't go home.

77 There is actually stronger scientific data to refute the General Theory of Relativity than the Theory of Evolution, who among you is going to to stomp and shout that we should call E=mc^2 a hypothesis?

We're up for the challenge, in sha'llah.

78 Geez alexthechick, you should be a disaster movie script writer with that kind of thinking.Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at September 14, 2013 02:48 PM  It's a work in progress. Definitely needs some sharknados.

79 I wonder if they could chanel some of those lava flows in Hawaii into the ocean with a bulldozer and bypass people's homes. They don't look too deep. Can it be done?

80 oh, a quibble: E=mc^2 is special relativity. And that one's about as rock-solid as it gets in physics.

81 the plague-rats who've just moved into your city don't go home. Posted by: 536 AD, bitchez at September 14, 2013 02:48 PM (d7tB2) What, you never had "plaque-rat piccata" with linguini?

82 don't forget to put Morgan Freeman in it as some sort of wise and compassionate leader figure. And then have him die in some heroic manner. I believe it is in his contract with his agent that he must. be. in. every. freakin. movie. made.

83 Did anyone actually figure out if 536 AD was Krakatoa or a meteor, or some volcano we don't know about?

84

@48 pat

The Yellowstone bulge is...  interesting.   In name.

Obviously geologic time favors any particular animal living on biological time scales, but damn that could be bad.  

85 That can't have been easy to publish.

There's probably an undisclosed internal pissing matching going on between Advocate and the Sheppard Myth Inc. crew.

Its exceedingly rare anyone revisits a stock well established myth like this unless there's axes to be ground and scores to be settled.

Maybe its one of those rare cases of honest investigative journalism, but Occam's razor suggests otherwise.

86 How many laws have been passed, millions of dollars spent/gathered in the name of Shepard as hate victim?

87 Boy, it's a good thing there have been no other cases of violence that have been distorted as part of a political agenda. *whistles*

88 29
Isn't talking about Germans during Yom Kippur anti-semitic? Because of racism and stuff? And why are all the pawn shops closed? Anybody wanna buy a typewriter?
Posted by: Claire "Don Birnam" Cloggenstein of the California Cloggensteins at September 14, 2013 02:18 PM (UiOkZ)
We have an agreement to be closed on St. Patrick's day.

89 How come way back when there was so much fucking lava spilling out all over the place for millions of years? Now, hardly any. What made the core of the earth so much hotter then? When you think about it the siberian traps are very scary.

90 Too many statisticians, not enough thermodynamics and heat transfer types

91 so I was seriously annoyed to learn that my son is being exposed to CNN Student News daily in his social studies class. But, was pleased that the transcripts are available online and the one I read for Friday was pretty fair and balanced in its reporting. They even read several quotes from Putin's letter in the NYT. I know I will have to read it daily to be prepared to de-program, but so far it seems more reasonable then the main CNN news stuff.

92 While I did link to one of them, two great sites for information on climate are WattsUpWithThat and Climate Audit. The latter is more technical, but they can both be pretty technical. There have been scattered sites on fraudulent studies in general, I'm fond of Number Watch for explaining some of the processes. Nobody really catalogs science fraud because, seriously, that would take a lifetime, even for just medical studies or climate studies. ANd there's *more.* Then again, look at the reputation auto mechanics have. It's a human thing, no field is exempt.

93 Funeral plans are set for Frank Tripucka, the Denver Broncos' first quarterback. He was a Bloomfield native. PHOTO COURTESY OF DENVER BRONCOS Frank Tripucka pictured as a Denver Bronco. The team's first quarterback never forgot his alma mater, Bloomfield High School. According to his obituary, a wake is planned from 3 to 8 p.m. Sunday at the Levandoski Funeral Home, 44 Bay Ave. in Bloomfield. A funeral Mass is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Monday at Notre Dame Church in North Caldwell, followed by an entombment at the Gate of Heaven Cemetery in East Hanover. A CBS-TV spokesperson confirmed Friday that it would make note of Tripucka's death during the broadcast of the Giants/Broncos game Sunday at MetLife Stadium. When quarterback Peyton Manning joined the Broncos, Tripucka gave Manning the blessing to wear his retired No. 18. Tripucka, 85, a 1945 Bloomfield High School graduate, died Thursday at his Woodland Park home. His son, Kelly Tripucka, a former Notre Dame basketball standout, said his father died of congestive heart failure

94 What made the core of the earth so much hotter then?

The Earth is still cooling from its formation. First, the Earth started out as a molten ball of rock; then, heavier rocks sank to the core (which process also converts potential energy to kinetic to heat); last, radioactive material decayed and emitted heat.

So the Earth started out hotter, was cooler then, cooler still today and will be cooler millions of years from now.

95 56 Re: volcanoes. My dream scenario is that a smodlet smacks into that island that's going to crack in half and cracks it in half causing half to splash into the ocean causing a 100 mile high tsunami that smacks into the East Coast and somehow sets off the New Madrid fault line which then causes the Yelowstone calderra to blow which sets off the Cascadia subduction zone. Sharknado 2: Alexnado!

96

Of course evolution is more than just natural selection, but the latter is the bulk part of the former. And evolution is a capital T Theory, asit is ahypothesis that fits the observations and elements of it (genetic drift, genetic shift, natural selection) have been tested and/or observed and validated in the real world without being refuted by any valid experiment to date. A Theory still allows for falsification, after all. There is actually stronger scientific data to refute the General Theory of Relativity than the Theory of Evolution, who among you is going to to stomp and shout that we should call E=mc^2 a hypothesis?

 

Nuts. To start with, evolution from a common ancestor requires the adding of genetic material to the mix. Cyclic variation within species, like the beak length in finches, or the elimination of genetic material, as in dog breeding, is a very different process and does nothing to support the contention that life evolved from a common ancestor. Natural selection merely explains why some information is lost or submerged.

Second, evolution is a historical argument about something that happened in the past, and even if we could demonstrate that it was occurring right now would not prove that it had happened in the past (though it would make the theory more believable). Common Descent, as a historical theory, is a neat idea that has a bunch of evidence to back it up and a number of gaping holes that pretty much ruin it (For example,  the concept of parallel evolution, which requires that certain species get the same  supposedly  entirely random mutations, is a big problem which is routinely ignored.)

 

In any case, scientific theories tend to be at least as much reflections of cultural worldviews as anything else - something historians and philosophers have known for  fistty years but is just now breaking into common consciousness - and Common Descent is a product of a mental world that no longer exists. The world is ripe for a paradigm shift, and I would not be surprised to see it occur in my lifetime. I sincerely doubt it will be creationism, though!

97 Hi alexthechick, how are you doing

98 Posted by: beagle at September 14, 2013 02:53 PM (sOtz/)
Yellowstone is a hot spot volcano(es), like Hawaii. Unlike Hawaii it is explosive like the other Western North America volcanoes. An eruption similar to the  consequential eruptions   geologist know of, would devastate a significant part of the immediate area including all bordering States. Fortunately the last one was 70K years ago and there are no signs the hot spot is sending a plume up.

Lava flows from Mauna Loa, which can threaten the city of Hilo, have been bombed twice in an attempt at diversion. There was simply  way to much mass to have an effect.

99 So the Earth started out hotter, was cooler then, cooler still today and will be cooler millions of years from now. Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 14, 2013 03:01 PM (d7tB2) So, maybe the volcanoes should just effin cool it!

100 Really don't get the anti-evolution nonsense. Not gonna argue it any more than I'm gonna argue modern physics. When you have entire engineering industries that rely on the underlying science, that's a good sign the underlying mechanisms are pretty well understood. More importantly, Nascar has thrashed and flailed all week and now has announced fundamental rule changes that likely will alter the nature of the sport going forward. The implications are unknown, the fallout is still falling.

101 chemjeff, haven't seen you around these parts lately. Hello to you. Even though you didn't say hello to me.

102 It's your "dream" that a 100 mile tsunami would hit the East Coast and a huge earthquake hit the West Coast and you think that things would just continue merrily along wherever you're located? Hmmmm. Not much of a believer in "no man is an island", huh? Don't much care if millions die as long as it isn't your kith and kin?

103

When you have entire engineering industries that rely on the underlying science, that's a good sign the underlying mechanisms are pretty well understood.

 

And those industries are what, exactly?

104

@89 Jesse Pinkman

 

When I read about the Siberian Traps I wondered if maybe a SMOD hit a thin spot in the crust or a supervolcano.   Two disasters in one.   Imagine a half mile rock hitting Yellowstone.   Yikes.  

105 Hi alexthechick, how are you doingPosted by: chemjeff-husker at September 14, 2013 03:05 PM (bBtob) *waves* am currently in a car with the rents for another four hours to be followed by six hours tomorrow. I have been with them on vacation since last Thursday. Yeah. I am exactly how you think I would be.

106 100 People love to try to apply the well-earned prestige of the hard sciences to Biology and the social "sciences".  Huge category error.  No matter how many times I've run my dryer the clothes have never been folded when I open the door

107 I'd give my right arm to be able to hang with the 'rents. 

108 Hey Fenelon how you like that Francis fellow?

109 Despite all of this new information that the "settled science" is wrong and unsettled, Angela Merkel, who actually earned a doctorate in the hard sciences before entering politics, is continuing full steam ahead on the German _Energiewende_, the huge push to renewableize the majority of the German energy economy and close existing power plants.

Part of that is due to Fukushima.

Despite the fact that radiation deaths from Fuku are still hovering around zero, and despite the fact that Fuku was due to a unique combination of plant design, operator incompetence, and Japanese cultural authority gradient issues, none of which occur in German nuclear plants, the German electorate freaked out enormously and the polls showed they wanted all of the nukes shut down ASAP.

Merkel duly complied.

There's something in the German character that goes a long way back, to premedieval times, which is obsessed with questions of bodily purity and health. The Nazis certainly tapped into that strain in their recruiting propaganda. A lot of their iconography is straight from "physical culture" magazines of the era.

And the antinuclear movement in Germany glommed onto that cultural quirk early on, and have never let up. Radiation will rot your chromosomes! And the scare stories from Fukushima really played into it, hence the public panic, and hence Merkel's self-salvaging maneuver to shut all of the reactors.

Unfortunately, "renewables" are still "expensives" and "unreliables", and there are going to be unavoidable consequences for German industry as cheap reliable baseload power becomes a thing of the past.

110 So the Earth started out hotter, was cooler then, cooler still today and will be cooler millions of years from now. *** It's never going to be cooler than it was in 1969.

111 My theory of the Brontosaurus. It starts out small. Gets quite big in the middle. And ends up small again in the end.

112 Biology could be a hard science someday.  Our understanding of how that shit really works is still at the bear skins, stone knives, and shadows dancing on cave walls level though.

Even the hard sciences have a lot of gaps and "unexplained magic happens here" moments.

113

My theory of the Brontosaurus.
It starts out small. Gets quite big in the middle. And ends up small again in the end.

 

Wrong, as it happens.

114 Hey Fenelon how you like that Francis fellow? Pope Francis? In what respect?

115 There's something in the German character that goes a long way back, to premedieval times, which is obsessed with questions of bodily purity and health.

Really? I'm asking seriously; I haven't read much German literature, or Latin literature from Germany if we're getting premediaeval.

The biggest impression I got from German culture before the Middle Ages was that they liked to invade France a lot.

116 Despite the fact that radiation deaths from Fuku are still hovering around zero, and despite the fact that Fuku was due to a unique combination of plant design, operator incompetence, and Japanese cultural authority gradient issues, none of which occur in German nuclear plants...

You left out the dreaded Rhine River tsunamis.

117 and if you were looking for bodily hygiene, premodern France was not the place to find it

118 There's something in the German character that goes a long way back, to
premedieval times, which is obsessed with questions of bodily purity and
health.

Luther was big on the results of evacuation.  No, not the FEMA kind.

119 My theory of the Brontosaurus.

Heh, nice that you chose a famous academic fail, the Piltdown Man of its day. An accidental Piltdown, true.

120

Nothing in the Theory of Evolution states that everything necessarily came from one common ancestor.  That is an application of the Theory, not the Theory itself.

 

Genetic material is added and deleted all the time through non-selective breeding, see Fragile-X syndrome, non-coded repeating sequences or telomeres for examples, not to mention meta-females or somatic trisomies.

 

Parallel evolution is not the way to go to refute it, either--bat flight is radically different from bird flight, both of which differ from insect flight.  Vertebrate eyes have a different structure from octopi, and both are quite different from insects.

 

Finally, don't forget that generation time is a prime factor in applying evoltuion theory--when your mean generation is 20 minutes and you have a billion year or so head start, there's plenty of opportunity for latent genes to have arisen and lain dormant until a situation arose that made their expression advantageous.

121

Really? I'm asking seriously; I haven't read much German literature, or Latin literature from Germany if we're getting premediaeval.

 

Not a whole lot of literature from premedieval Germanic cultures in any language, other than "So-and-So made this."

Also, what do we mean by "German" prior to the High Middle Ages?

 

The biggest impression I got from German culture before the Middle Ages was that they liked to invade France a lot.

 

Who doesn't?

 

In all seriousness, I don't know what he is referring to either, and I have read a bunch of Early Medieval Germanic literature.

122 "Even the hard sciences have a lot of gaps and "unexplained magic happens here" moments.

Posted by: Purp at September 14, 2013 03:21 PM (9MLX+)"

The unmistakable trend is toward filling those gaps as measuring instruments get better and better. I don't understand why anyone would assume that everything that needs to be known would be known now, but I also don't understand how anyone could argue that what is known now is an improvement on what was known previously. The only hypothesis that makes sense is that we are incrementally making our way toward truth and away from error.

123

AGW and/or "Climate change" has nothing to do with science.  It's all about money and power.  Money and power.  Money and power.  Money and power.  Money and power.

 

And the so-called elites that will control it.

124 FenelonSpoke you are aware that my scenario would result in the destruction of the entire United States with the possible exception of Texas right? Not to mention that it was an incredibly obvious riff on the increasingly hysterical claims of the warmenistas right? Also a play off of the trope that all planet wide diasaster movies only focus on what happens to the US as well as tongue in cheek mocking of SMOD and my own well documented love of trashy oh noes the world is ending movies and books. I mean I hope you are attempting to play along and not remove any doubt that I may have as to your ability to recognize and enjoy those comments which are tongue in cheek.

125 GW and/or "Climate change" has nothing to do with science. It's all about money and power. Money and power. Money and power. Money and power. Money and power.

We must all make sacrifices to propitiate whatever is behind the climate.

126 It's them damn Koch brothers. Their insidiousness pervades the universe, deliberately subverting atmospheric responses to stimulii, and causing all manner of deviations from the model's predictions. Curse them, I say; and curse them again.

127 A fucking joke. As it happens. A stolen one. It's from Monty Python. As it happens.

128 It's a joke about going from head to tail. As it happens.

129 " I also don't understand how anyone could argue that what is known now is an improvement on what was known previously."

"is NOT an improvement"


As for the topic of the thread, I find it funny that the Left and the insurance industry are both on the same page vis-a-vis "climate change". The Left is typically all over the self-interest of the oil industry as "climate deniers" but doesn't seem to notice that the insurance industry is happy to play along with the climate change bullshit in order to increase the perception of risk amongst consumers and charge them more for the same coverage.

130 Again, it's a fucking joke. think people.

131 Hey!  Is this thread rockin' or what?

132 What's the line -- you don't have to think it's funny, but you do have to notice it's a joke.

133 Jesse Pinkman @ 34: I went looking for Steve H, formerly of Hog On Ice, too. Contrary to your thoughts about him, I think that rather that having "lost it", he's actually found It, and It is helping him get healthy spiritually, mentally and physically. He still blogs about politics and cooking, but he's also talking religion, and I enjoy his blog, Tools of Renewal very much. To each their own, I guess.

134 The Holy Model Rounders.

135 We had global warming earlier this week.  Now we have global cooling. 

Maybe it's different where you live, but clearly we MUST do something.

For the children. 

136 Alexthechick- The comment was not addressed to you; It was addressed to Anaconda from a post above who specifically wished to target the East and West Coats. I understand about your scenario. I find that dark humor and amusing actually. It's not along the same lines as he suggested. I should have included his message title; Sorry

137 133 Jesse Pinkman @ 34: I went looking for Steve H, formerly of Hog On Ice, too. Contrary to your thoughts about him, I think that rather that having "lost it", he's actually found It, and It is helping him get healthy spiritually, mentally and physically. He still blogs about politics and cooking, but he's also talking religion, and I enjoy his blog, Tools of Renewal very much. To each their own, I guess. Posted by: Sharkman at September 14, 2013 03:40 PM (penuk) I am a fan of Tools of Renewal also. God, politics, guns, tools, and cooking. What's not to like? Found, indeed.

138 Som yes; I do understand it is tongue and cheek. It's some other people here whom I'm not certain of.

139

Tongue in cheek?

 

Comment. Slower.

140 >68 Glaciers coming in from Canada knocking US houses off of their foundations. A hard-learned guiding principle is to never ask for clarification of anything from AoS that needs clarifying but I must make an exception for this. Is this for real or did you add it just to see if anyone is actually reading your entire comment? (If it's the latter, do I win a prize or sumthin'?)

141 I apologize, Alexthechick and to Anaconda too. I read too quickly and thought Anaconda had posted that. Since I have read your Smodlet posts often I know they're tongue in cheek. Sometimes, however,things that one can't be sure of up asr egards the entirely evil East and West Coast.

142 110 My theory of the Brontosaurus. It starts out small. Gets quite big in the middle. And ends up small again in the end.

Thief!!

143 OT: Mis Farrow is on a one woman quest to lose the Internet everyday. Today on Twitchy she says Bible-thumpers don't vacinate their kids because they don't think modern medicine is Biblical.

144 You know what else is on German Radio?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ

That's right.

145 140  Is this for real or did you add it just to see if anyone is actually reading your entire comment? (If it's the latter, do I win a prize or sumthin'?)

Posted by: suitably adequate at September 14, 2013 03:54 PM (d0dHb)

Yes, that is for real.  They actually showed a house in MN on Fox News one night - once. You can probably find something on the 'net if the Obamanites haven't scoured it.

146

A and M stomping a mud hole in Bama's ass

147 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ

That's right.

Posted by: 13times at September 14, 2013 04:00 PM (fGPLK)

 

 

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Do you vant to touch my monkey?

148 141 I apologize, Alexthechick and to Anaconda too. Not to be all nitpicky and all, but it's Anachronda.

149 FenelonSpoke apology accepted. We by which I mean I habe all been guilty of reading too fast and having to Littela.

150 Oh yeah, there's a topic. When the Central European provinces of the Soviet empire collapsed, that left a lot of unemployed "civil servants". They had to fix their wagon to something. That something is clearly AGW. Merkel was a Communist Party girl growing up, back in the DDR. There's pictures of her happily goose stepping along with the rest of the girls.

151 A quick search only reveals houses in Canada being knocked off.  Evidently the US impact is gone from reality.

152 AtC, please do not open this link.

http://tinyurl.com/n5ra43g

153 new one

154 There has always been evolution within species.
The diversity of species on the planet evolving from primordial goo is, and always has been, a load of mule cookies.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 14, 2013 02:16 PM (cWpCn)

Of course, "species" is a human construct, born of our need to classify things. To God, life is simply life, and evolution the tool He created to permit it to  self-organize, saving him the the labor of retail Creation.

155

Nothing in the Theory of Evolution states that everything necessarily came from one common ancestor. That is an application of the Theory, not the Theory itself.

 

You are apparently uses a different definition of "Theory of Evolution" than I am.

Genetic material is added and deleted all the time through non-selective breeding, see Fragile-X syndrome, non-coded repeating sequences or telomeres for examples, not to mention meta-females or somatic trisomies.

 

Unless we are talking about two-headed snakes and the like, I have to admit that I really don't know what you mean - I am a historian with an  interest in how culture and philosophy influence science, not a science person per se.

Parallel evolution is not the way to go to refute it, either--bat flight is radically different from bird flight, both of which differ from insect flight. Vertebrate eyes have a different structure from octopi, and both are quite different from insects.

Yet, they all end up being wings or eyes. My point was that if you take the random nature of mutation seriously, the fact that we see so many instances where the same basic solution to a problem emerges simultaneously poses a problem - not absolute proof against the theory that mutations are random, but certainly evidence. I could also point out that the fossil record is primarily a human construction, not something just found in nature, and that as far as I can tell scientists routinely backdate fossils (by assuming that the found specimens represent a late survival of a species that evolved much earlier) to make them fit the paradigm better.

Again, I am thinking like a historian, looking for the most plausible explanation of what happened in the past.

 

Honestly, I think the strongest argument against the idea of Evolution-sans-Intelligent guidance is epistemological - if our brains really are just random bits of matter whose primary claim to fame is that our species has survived so far, than there can be no certainty that reason, logic, or anything else that we perceive is actually true in a material sense. Take the idea that belief in God is an evolutionary relic, useful for survival but objectively false, and apply it to the idea of cause and effect - the only logical conclusion is that it is not only possible but probable that our evolved monkey brains are misinterpreting the world in fundamental ways. Add to that stuff like Zeno's Paradox and Kant's demonstration that cause and effect are virtually impossible to prove (I think it was Kant), instances were reason and the observed world vary wildly, and you have a pretty good argument that scientific knowledge is an illusion. The end result is that you start believing (at best - the worst is that you become an absolute nihilist) that since the universe is unknowable only perception matters - the very idea underpinning postmodernism and the modern Left, incidentally. In short , if evolution (or at least unguided evolution) undercuts the very idea of science as a means of objective knowledge - which renders the question of whether it is actually true or not irrelevant.

156 >145 Vic I remember seeing footage from MB but didn't know that it had happened in MN as well. Kinda cool and freaky at the same time.

157 Kinda cool and freaky at the same time.

Posted by: suitably adequate at September 14, 2013 04:20 PM (d0dHb)

I swear I remember seeing it on Fox but can't find it now.

158 How come way back when there was so much fucking lava spilling out all over the place for millions of years? Now, hardly any. What made the core of the earth so much hotter then? When you think about it the siberian traps are very scary.

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 14, 2013 02:57 PM (WdWRd)

Eruptions of this nature appear to have been fairly gentle, on-going events, and definitely not explosions like Mt. St. Helens. Geologists call them "fissure eruptions" and the very fluid basaltic lavas well up out of long cracks and flow out over the land like a flood. Devastating for he affected areas, of course, but get a few hundred miles away, and it's doubtful it would be extremely hazardous, unless the lava were to be accompanied by huge volumes of CO2 to suffocate air-breathers in the surrounding countryside.

With the mobility we now enjoy, mass migration could save the majority of humans and livestock that might be affected by renewed fissure eruptions anywhere in the world (although if they happened in Saudi Arabia, it would be wise to ground all aircraft for a few months to check for erosion pits on the muffler bearings).

159 not to mention meta-females

This is a Chelsea Manning joke gone wrong, right?

160 Hmmmm. Not much of a believer in "no man is an island", huh? Don't much care if millions die as long as it isn't your kith and kin?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 14, 2013 03:09 PM (xHsEY)

You know, Fen, you are getting perilously close to "scroll-over" status" The whole concept of SMOD is that it kills everyone, not "everyone but ATC".

You need to get your metaphor detector into the shop for calibration, stat.

161 People love to try to apply the well-earned prestige of the hard sciences to Biology and the social "sciences". Huge category error. No matter how many times I've run my dryer the clothes have never been folded when I open the door

Posted by: DAve at September 14, 2013 03:13 PM (b7yum)

You mean they come out of your dryer unfolded? Who knew?

162 DAve, your suit's too cheap.

163 You know, Fen, you are getting perilously close to "scroll-over" status" The whole concept of SMOD is that it kills everyone, not "everyone but ATC". You need to get your metaphor detector into the shop for calibration, stat. Thanks; We wentt through all that in a previous post.. I read too quickly and thought she was another p oster and I apologized :^) but of course everyone is free to scroll over whatever they like.

164 P.S In in a post previous to that I said I liked the dark humor of SMOD and thought it was funny and yes as i like the Bible and poetry my metaphor detector probably doesn't need a recalibration-my reading meter speed and going off half cocked does. :^) All the best,

165 Heh.  I got thrown the F off of bicycle boy's site 9 years ago because I pointed out the fact that the "science" was bullshit.

Suck it, ponytail!  ya douche.

166 When in doubt, just make shit up. For the children. -the Anthropogenic Global Wealth redistribution folks

167 Posted by: tangonine at September 14, 2013 05:43 PM (x3YFz)

same here

168 For some of us moronic phd types, getting the right answer or figuring out what isn't the answer is the most important thing. For some of the sucking-at-the-large-grant-teat type, and I used to be one, you have to be careful about what you say lest you make your program manager unhappy. When that happens, they can, and in my case, did say "ya know that 300k$ you haven't spent yet? Well it's not yours to spend anymore. Have a nice day" This guy is walking a fine line between the politically beholden program managers and the reality of the science. Since I've been outside of academia, I can speak my mind without worrying about that so much. Pour enough beer into these people and you might see what they really think.