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March 07, 2013

Government Spending and the Endless Recession: Cut Spending Now
— Ace

Japan tried what Obama is trying. It failed.

Other nations slashed spending and prospered.

As Boskin points out, the Netherlands in the mid-1990s and Sweden in the mid-2000s "stabilized their budgets without recession [with] $5-$6 of actual spending cuts per dollar of tax hikes."
And he notes that Canada reduced government spending in the mid-1990s and early 2000s by an amount equal to 8 percent of gross domestic product.
Those cuts weren't painless, but they put Canada on a trajectory different from ours. Canadian voters value budget surpluses, and Canada managed to avoid almost all the bad effects of the 2007-09 recession.

Why isn't the political class interested in this? Because while a defanged political class may serve the interest of the public it doesn't serve the interest of the political class.

Posted by: Ace at 10:20 AM | Comments (234)
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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:22 AM (xN73L)

2 They can't even cut "planned growth, much less fathom a future where the US Government might actually spend $1 less from one year to the next. LiB

Posted by: akula51 at March 07, 2013 10:22 AM (Vgn84)

3 Foist? Impossible

Posted by: Dark Ages at March 07, 2013 10:22 AM (NlCgY)

4 You gotta spend money to make money!

Posted by: Clownf*cker at March 07, 2013 10:23 AM (F26eZ)

5 Swedish ( and Norwegian and Swiss ) currencies are up 15% in the past five years compared to the US dollar.

hard times coming...

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at March 07, 2013 10:23 AM (Dll6b)

6 OT to be sure, but, yikes, that photo of Ms. Lindsey in the sidebar! Does he buy his teef by the yard from used piano dealers?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 07, 2013 10:23 AM (kXoT0)

7 I'll also point out that Texas did exactly this, and now we're looking at an $8.8bn surplus for the year.

The evidence for "Cut gov't spending = prosperity" is overwhelming.

It's almost like economic recovery is not actually TFG's goal...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:24 AM (xN73L)

8 Obvious solutions are not favored in Washington for obvious reasons.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 10:24 AM (gmeXX)

9 3 Foist?
Impossible

Posted by: Dark Ages at March 07, 2013 02:22 PM (NlCgY)

Yup.

Posted by: Heralder at March 07, 2013 10:24 AM (+xmn4)

10 Dems always want us to follow Sweden, right? I think I can get behind that idea here.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 07, 2013 10:25 AM (B/VB5)

11 Maths, how does it fucking work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 07, 2013 10:25 AM (+z4pE)

12 Yep, the goal of the establishment is to maintain the status quo.

The house has voted a new CR to fund thru the fall, ha ha, remember when they talked about being able to stop the spending last time or with the sequestration or with the debt limit? yeah, good times.

Next chance for repubs to show they are really dems: gun control followed by amnesty.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 07, 2013 10:25 AM (p/cQy)

13 Real world experience? How does if fuckin' work?!?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at March 07, 2013 10:26 AM (QupBk)

14 You gotta spend money to make money!

Do you? Are you familiar with a concept of "diminishing returns"?

Posted by: fluffy at March 07, 2013 10:26 AM (z9HTb)

15 Now, an increasing segment of elite liberal opinion is arguing that there is really nothing to worry about, certainly no urgency to solve the problem soon. The stunning fiscal realities are all widely known, it is asserted. And yet the dollarÂ’s relative value has not crashed, and interest rates remain at unprecedentedly low levels, notwithstanding a credit downgrade and political paralysis. As a result, there need not be any painful tradeoff between less spending or higher taxes. America, these people say, can borrow a virtually unlimited amount of money for as long as necessary. To one extent or another, President Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, several Nobel Prize winning economists and others have all floated this argument. Even those who profess to be gravely concerned about fiscal imbalances betray some nonchalance about it when they habitually refer to the problem as one impacting Â“our children and grandchildrenÂ” but not, apparently, Â“us.Â”

Posted by: The "artist" formerly known as "The Artist former known as Prince" at March 07, 2013 10:26 AM (e8kgV)

16 Japan tried what Obama is trying? Hell, the United States in the '30s tried what Obama is trying, and it didn't work then.

Posted by: DKCZ at March 07, 2013 10:26 AM (9/bcB)

MSNBC White.

That's funny on many levels ace. I see what you did there.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 07, 2013 10:26 AM (tVTLU)

18 The other major reason Canada has had it good is because the provinces value their federalism and Ottawa can't boss them around.

You know, the way we used to be in this country.

Posted by: The Q at March 07, 2013 10:27 AM (yVmMc)

19 We'll make it up in volume!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at March 07, 2013 10:27 AM (QupBk)

20 How did America, of all places, develop a political class? Law schools.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 07, 2013 10:27 AM (T0NGe)

21 I had to reduce my spending & I know I am not alone. The JEF has to stop spending $ we do not have.

Posted by: CarolT at March 07, 2013 10:27 AM (kdfQ/)

AllenG - Texas also has this understanding of exploting your natural resources, legisltature that meets infrequently, no income taxes, etc.

Really, just choose from among any of the great examples Texas provides for economic prosperity.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 10:27 AM (gmeXX)

23 Because while a defanged political class may serve the interest of the public it doesn't serve the interest of the political class. Yep. from freebeacon: SECRET OBAMA GROUP WONÂ’T DISCLOSE SECRET MEETING LOCATION WEALTHY DONORS TO ORGANIZING FOR ACTION MEET IN UNDISCLOSED HOTEL A controversial dark money group recently created to promote Democratic policies and officials has refused to disclose the location of a secretive donor meeting it will hold in Washington, D.C., next week. Obama secret money group headquartered in teachers union building Donors will pay $50,000 to attend the event For $500,000, donors will enjoy a spot on OFAÂ’s national advisory board OFA chair Jim Messina rejected claims group will allow wealthy individuals to influence administration policy

Posted by: beach at March 07, 2013 10:27 AM (XYSwB)

24 No man's liberty and property is safe when Congress is in session.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at March 07, 2013 10:28 AM (QupBk)

25 It's all about getting reelected, rewarding donors and fatcats, and providing for their future when they are finally thrown out of office on their fat corrupt asses.

Posted by: Bubba from County at March 07, 2013 10:28 AM (5PMD3)

Summer of Recovery V! Or is it VI?

They're all starting to run together.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 07, 2013 10:28 AM (+z4pE)

27 The goal is to bring us down to the level we evil colonialists deserve. Except we were a colony. Whatever.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 07, 2013 10:29 AM (Sptt8)

28 No politician will ever vote for cutting off the government spigot if he thinks it will cost him one vote. Anyone bold enough to do what's in the long term best interest of the country will be run out of town on a rail at the next election. The voters will elect the person willing to promise to turn the spigot back on. There may only be reform when the whole shootin' match blows up.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 07, 2013 10:30 AM (Gkhxf)

29 But those Japanese have such cute little apartments!

Posted by: Ashley, Baby at March 07, 2013 10:30 AM (JQuNB)

30 Does the sequester actually cut spending or just reduce the rate of growth of spending?

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 07, 2013 10:30 AM (w+Dvf)

31 American politicians don't give a fuck what history says, they are SMARTER and will DO IT RIGHT this time showing everyone else in the world and history that they are fucking stupid.

Didn't John Kerry say that socialism fails because they're not doing it right?

Posted by: © Sponge at March 07, 2013 10:30 AM (xmcEQ)

32 Two words: Tentacle porn.

Posted by: nip at March 07, 2013 10:30 AM (11Tdq)

33 SH: Other things Texas got right:
From the Texas Declaration of Independence:

When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.

When the Federal Republican Constitution of their country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of their government has been forcibly changed, without their consent, from a restricted federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded but that of the army and the priesthood, both the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the everready minions of power, and the usual instruments of tyrants
...

When, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of the government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements. In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable rights of the people to appeal to first principles, and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme cases, enjoins it as a right towards themselves, and a sacred obligation to their posterity, to abolish such government, and create another in its stead, calculated to rescue them from impending dangers, and to secure their future welfare and happiness.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:30 AM (xN73L)

34 A woman in the group hands a driver's license to you. You look down, and it's yours.

That is precisely what police in Colorado say happened to Brianna Priddy, a server at a Lakewood Applebee's.

Priddy, though, didn't panic.

"I handed it back to her and said, 'Sure, I'll be right back with your margarita,'" she told Denver's NBC affiliate.

Priddy called the police, and tried to act normal while waiting for them to arrive.

"I put on my server smile and tried to take care of them, but I was shaking like crazy," she said.

When police arrived, the woman, whose name has not been released, was arrested on suspicion of theft, identity theft and criminal impersonation. Police also found narcotics in her possession.

Posted by: The "artist" known as "The Artist former known as Prince" at March 07, 2013 10:30 AM (e8kgV)

35 Does the sequester actually cut spending or just reduce the rate of growth of spending?

Cuts the rate of growth. Everyone still has more $$$ to spend this year than they did last.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:31 AM (xN73L)

36 Allen, I'm just as happy to quote the US Dec of Independence.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 10:32 AM (gmeXX)

37 30 Does the sequester actually cut spending or just reduce the rate of growth of spending? Posted by: Dr Spank at March 07, 2013 02:30 PM (w+Dvf) Per the CBO, Federal outlays through 2021 would increase $1.7T without the sequester and $1.6T with the sequester.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 07, 2013 10:32 AM (JQuNB)

"Japan tried what Obama is trying. It failed." ~ Ace

He has no new ideas.

Everything that he wants to do, has been tried...and has failed.

What do you call a leader that insists on repeating the same policies that have failed throughout history?

Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2013 10:32 AM (QPnFm)

39 So, when is McBoobette going to run for office? Krispy Kreme doesn't grow on trees, ya know.

Posted by: Bubba from County at March 07, 2013 10:32 AM (5PMD3)

40 What do you call a leader that insists on repeating the same policies that have failed throughout history? McCain voters?

Posted by: nip at March 07, 2013 10:33 AM (11Tdq)

41 "Because while a defanged political class may serve the interest of the public..."

/dream on.

Defanged or fanged, the political class serves global corporatism, owned by corporate interests, which is not to say that the political class serves the interest of the public or Joe Q. Citizen.

... unless you require falling back on the ludicrous claim that corporations are people, too. THAT depends on what the meaning of people "is" is is is...

Posted by: It's Your Ludicrous Life at March 07, 2013 10:33 AM (MhA4j)

42 Forward.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 07, 2013 10:33 AM (Ju5ZD)

43 (CNSNews.com) - House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) said today that the government must cut spending, and then explained that: Â“Tax cuts are spending.Â” ahahaha and, now, you can be an artist

Posted by: beach at March 07, 2013 10:33 AM (XYSwB)

44 Spending cuts?

The dinner was fab! and the Merlot, best year evah!

We'll get back to ya.

Posted by: GOP Ruling Class at March 07, 2013 10:35 AM (ZWaLo)

45 Won't be cutting with this president. Just look at dumbshits McCain and Graham. They backstab us at every chance they get with a few more in rotation for when it is needed.

Posted by: NWConservative at March 07, 2013 10:35 AM (k7XhI)

46 Allen, I'm just as happy to quote the US Dec of Independence.

They are both incredibly appropriate, I'd say. I just like the point the TX Dec makes that "Hey, we did not sign up for this shit."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:35 AM (xN73L)

Once I have you all living in those little sarcophagus-type hotels that the Japanese have, it will be easier to kill you as "imminent" threats to the U.S.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 07, 2013 10:35 AM (ggRof)

48 and, now, you can be an artist

Posted by: beach at March 07, 2013 02:33 PM (XYSwB)

So we should cut... tax cuts? wuh?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at March 07, 2013 10:36 AM (xAtAj)

49 And he notes that Canada reduced government spending in the mid-1990s and early 2000s by an amount equal to 8 percent of gross domestic product. I watch HGTV a lot. Most of the shows are filmed in Canada. Episode after episode I see 'kids' in their late 20's buying 500k to 800k homes. It takes a ton of 'hope and change' to swing that sort of mortgage. While only a couple hundred miles away in Detroit, people can't afford 25k row homes. But no correlation, no siree.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 07, 2013 10:36 AM (feFL6)

50 What do you call a leader that insists on repeating the same policies that have failed throughout history?

Posted by: wheatie

Your betters.

Now kneel and suck our cocks.

Posted by: Your betters in the GOP [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2013 10:36 AM (fMgJk)

51 Snuggies are racist therefore Snuggie bonfire at Thursday evening Wiccanpalooza. Be there or be a hater.

Posted by: Oberlin College at March 07, 2013 10:37 AM (wIgpo)

52 I don't know why everyone's harping about the White House tours being cancelled. Commoners don't belong in the King's palace anyway.

Posted by: Average Guy at March 07, 2013 10:37 AM (d1NtU)

53 >>>Japan tried what Obama is trying. It failed

We tried it, in the 30's it failed then too.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 07, 2013 10:37 AM (0q2P7)

54 Maybe Detroit can go on the auction block?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 07, 2013 10:37 AM (wbmaj)

55 .. unless you require falling back on the ludicrous claim that corporations are people, too

The only people I know of making that claim are lefty builders of straw-men.

Corporations are entities, though. If that confuses you, you are too dumb to be a lawyer.

Posted by: fluffy at March 07, 2013 10:37 AM (z9HTb)

56 Nancy can say stupid shit like that because her constituents EAT THAT UP. Liberals will believe anything she says. She's been saying dumb shit for a LONG TIME and she keeps getting reelected and getting more power.

We're fucked.

C'MON SMOD!!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at March 07, 2013 10:38 AM (xmcEQ)

57 I know this post is about math and budgets and stuff but would it hurt to throw in a pic of a blonde swede? In a bikini? Strictly to enhance the message of the post?

Posted by: Bosk at March 07, 2013 10:38 AM (n2K+4)

58 The evidence for "Cut gov't spending = prosperity" is overwhelming. It's almost like economic recovery is not actually TFG's goal. He already said he has to do what is fair not what works

Posted by: cicero skip at March 07, 2013 10:38 AM (3m9Uc)

59 We tried it, in the 30's it failed then too.

And so many forget that in the 19-teens we did exactly the opposite, which led (in part) to "The Roaring 20s."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:38 AM (xN73L)

60 It's too fucking dangerous to be any where near the White House anyway.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 07, 2013 10:38 AM (wbmaj)

61 What do you call a leader that insists on repeating the same policies that have failed throughout history?

Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2013 02:32 PM (QPnFm)

Thats the problem with socialists, they have no sense of history. Only Forward! Often, only a cliff awaits.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 07, 2013 10:39 AM (t06LC)

62 California has tried it, it doesn't appear successful.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 10:39 AM (gmeXX)

63 History began in 2009.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at March 07, 2013 10:40 AM (QupBk)

64 Thats the problem with socialists, they have no sense of history. Only Forward! Often, only a cliff awaits.

You know, I wouldn't have so much problem with that if it weren't for their insistence that I march in front of them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:40 AM (xN73L)

65 Hey, if we just try some shit, something is bound to happen.

Pass me the bong.

Posted by: Obama's Financial Consultant at March 07, 2013 10:40 AM (WM+rJ)

66 Only thing that doesn't really personally benefit Dem's is military(unless they have stock with suppliers). Even during the Bush years, ACORN was well funded democrat machine. Lord knows how many dem machines exist for purpose of registering and rousing voters, are financed with U.S. tax dollars.

Posted by: Deli LLama at March 07, 2013 10:40 AM (lGu1O)

67 What do you call a leader that insists on repeating the same policies that have failed throughout history? Was it Albert Einstein who said that the definition of insanity was performing the same experiment, time after time, and expecting a different result?

Posted by: Albert Einstein [/i] at March 07, 2013 10:41 AM (feFL6)

68 Logic? The new math?

Nah, democrats know full well what they are doing and do not care.

Socialist want to take EVERY fucking thing you have and give it to the worthless scumbags that do not work.

This is not a new concept.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 07, 2013 10:41 AM (wR+pz)

69 #67 A liberal.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 07, 2013 10:42 AM (wbmaj)

70 Past 2pm and no rape posts?

I think I just shit myself.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 07, 2013 10:42 AM (w+Dvf)

71 54 Maybe Detroit can go on the auction block? Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 07, 2013 02:37 PM (wbmaj) I found 68 cents under the driver's seat in my truck...how many city blocks can I get for that?

Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2013 10:42 AM (7xPCu)

72 If we hadn't spent $20T in the War on Poverty, why, we'd have a whole lot of... Never mind.

Posted by: Nancy Lugosi at March 07, 2013 10:42 AM (JQuNB)

73 On the floor of the Senate this morning, Senator John McCain chastised Senator Rand Paul for yesterdayÂ’s filibuster. He insisted that Senator Paul was misrepresenting the drone policy of the United States, and that there was no reason to claim that the government was claiming the right to wantonly kill Americans sitting at a cafe in the United States.

He quoted a warning from the Wall Street Journal that if Senator Paul Â“wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts to fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what heÂ’s talking about.Â” Senator McCain was also disappointed with his Â“colleagues . . .who know betterÂ” who joined Rand Paul during his filibuster to Â“voice [a] concern which is totally unfounded.Â”

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 07, 2013 10:42 AM (8sCoq)

74 The fact that we even have a political class is indicative of serious problems. Serving in government shouldn't be such a great job that cock sucking bottom dwelling pond scum like Dickless Deadbrain are attracted to it.

Posted by: maddogg at March 07, 2013 10:42 AM (OlN4e)

75 and Canada managed to avoid almost all the bad effects of the 2007-09 recession. There's also that thing where they didn't give $250,000 mortgages to people with no job. Or income. Or credit. Or assets. Serious you guys, I explain the sub-prime lending process to my Canadian friends and they're all "what are you people, high?" Of course they have milk in bags (don't do it Horde) so what do they know. Annnnd, yup. There's the Timbits craving.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 07, 2013 10:42 AM (VtjlW)

76 Dumb shit.

Owebama signs the Violence Against Women Act.

Isn't most violent acts toward ANYONE against the law? Why do we need this endless bullshit pandering crap that makes him feel like "war on women" and shit?

We're so fucked.

Our leaders suck balls........unfortunately, it's not the all "feel good" ball sucking either.......

Posted by: © Sponge at March 07, 2013 10:43 AM (xmcEQ)

77 Past 2pm and no rape posts?

It is understood that we are raping our keyboards.

Posted by: fluffy at March 07, 2013 10:43 AM (z9HTb)

78 Cut spending?

Yeah right on that.

Posted by: John Boehner at March 07, 2013 10:43 AM (hO9ad)

79 Obama is pretty much a lame duck from here on out. His damage was done in the first term. Unfortunatley, it was very damaging, and the effects are only going to get worse. Yesterday convinced me that we now have some leaders in place to establish a conservative beachhead. And then McCain opened his mouth.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 10:43 AM (gmeXX)

80 but would it hurt to throw in a pic of a blonde swede? In a bikini?

Hrm. All I've got is brunette and skivvies.
http://is.gd/KsisPX

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 07, 2013 10:44 AM (/kI1Q)

60 It's too fucking dangerous to be any where near the White House anyway.

----------

Eh?

The White House is the only place safe from a Drone Strike.

Which is probably why they don't let us peons in there anymore.

Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2013 10:44 AM (QPnFm)

82 Unexpected...

CO sees spike in kids smoking pot...

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 07, 2013 10:44 AM (8sCoq)

83 Won't be cutting with this president. Just look at dumbshits McCain and Graham. They backstab us at every chance they get with a few more in rotation for when it is needed. Now we know why the two turncoats never showed up last night to support Rand Paul. He's a nail, he's sticking up, and must be hammered back down. Those two need to shut the hell up, and get out of the way.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 07, 2013 10:44 AM (eyJh9)

84 Anyone bold enough to do what's in the long term best interest of the country will be run out of town on a rail at the next election. That will be soft compared to what will happen to them when the country crashes & burns.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2013 10:44 AM (GFM2b)

85 Oh. I get it now.

MOAR SPENDING!!!!!!!

The Act provides $1.6 billion toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposes automatic and mandatory restitution on those convicted, and allows civil redress in cases prosecutors chose to leave unprosecuted. The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice. Male victims of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, and stalking will not be treated worse than they already are solely as a result of VAWA.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 07, 2013 10:44 AM (xmcEQ)

86 I will definitely not be gonig to any cafe's. Though I don't think Texas has any.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 10:45 AM (gmeXX)

87 "...while a defanged political class may serve the interest of the public it doesn't serve the interest of the political class."

As P.J. O'Rourke famously said: "Giving money and power to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 07, 2013 10:45 AM (RSqz2)

88 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 07, 2013 02:42 PM (VtjlW)

Can I borrow you for a day?

I need someone to beat some sense into my sister.

I was telling her about Amanda Collins and the idiot state senator, and her first snarky comment was, "did she spontaneously abort the fetus?"

Posted by: Mr. Burnett at March 07, 2013 10:45 AM (GsoHv)

89 76 Dumb shit. Owebama signs the Violence Against Women Act. Isn't most violent acts toward ANYONE against the law? Why do we need this endless bullshit pandering crap that makes him feel like "war on women" and shit? We're so fucked. Our leaders suck balls........unfortunately, it's not the all "feel good" ball sucking either....... Posted by: Â© Sponge at March 07, 2013 02:43 PM (xmcEQ) Stupid wins every time if you're appealing to leftys.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2013 10:46 AM (7xPCu)

90 The administration has give the firearms industry a real ~~shot in the arm~~ boost, so we do have that.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at March 07, 2013 10:46 AM (QupBk)

91 Off, foul sock!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 07, 2013 10:46 AM (GsoHv)

Why isn't the political class interested in this? Because while a defanged political class may serve the interest of the public it doesn't serve the interest of the political class.

It doesn't serve the interest of the leftie political class. Remember Geithner's retort "We don't have a plan, we just don't like yours"? The left would rather be in charge in hell than subservient in heaven.

Posted by: Decaf at March 07, 2013 10:46 AM (Dqox6)

93 The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice.

But of course.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 07, 2013 10:46 AM (vBSha)

94
I don't have a whole lot of respect for OdipO's intellect, but I do think he knows these policies will not work. I think he still to this day hates this country because he was brought up to hate it.

Other leftists might think its because socialism just wasn't done right before, but this fuckin guy thinks differently.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 07, 2013 10:47 AM (p/cQy)

95 Nothing that can't be solved with another apparatchik or fifty.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 07, 2013 10:47 AM (vBSha)

96 "...whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 07, 2013 02:45 PM (RSqz2)

Nah, it's worse. Politicians don't have parents.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 07, 2013 10:47 AM (GsoHv)

97 The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice. Male victims of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, and stalking will not be treated worse than they already are solely as a result of VAWA.

Posted by: Â© Sponge at March 07, 2013 02:44 PM (xmcEQ)

Will that be next to the Office of We Hate White Heterosexual Men?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 07, 2013 10:48 AM (1Jaio)

98 93 The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice. But of course. Posted by: Waterhouse at March 07, 2013 02:46 PM (vBSha) It's across the hall from the Office Of Preventing Violence Against Women.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2013 10:48 AM (7xPCu)

99 And the government gets a little bigger, stupider, more wasteful and unresponsive. Great. We need a shooting revolution to get it back down to a managable cancer.

Posted by: maddogg at March 07, 2013 10:48 AM (OlN4e)

100 The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice.

...so white women aren't included. Good to know in advance.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 07, 2013 10:49 AM (/kI1Q)

101 The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice. I'm putting in for a transfer. The Ministry of Truth just isn't where the growth is any more.

Posted by: Winston Smith at March 07, 2013 10:49 AM (JQuNB)

102 Serious you guys, I explain the sub-prime lending process to my Canadian friends and they're all "what are you people, high?" No, just cowed by charges of racism.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 07, 2013 10:49 AM (T0NGe)

103 Megan Kelly is bringing Durbin's arguments about imminent danger up and NOT talking about the reason for Rand's filibuster yesterday. He was not filibustering for imminent lethal threats, he was talking about some guy sitting in a coffee shop or sleeping at home.

Posted by: NWConservative at March 07, 2013 10:50 AM (k7XhI)

104 All spending is stimulus, isn't it. Come on.

Posted by: President Sibilant Esses at March 07, 2013 10:50 AM (9fDAi)

105 Well, that's fine. Do McCain and Graham's states have recall statutes, can the people kick the quisling shits out of office? In either case, did anyone even bother to get up in their motherfucking quisling faces about this?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 10:50 AM (bxiXv)

106 Yeah, I'm not clicking through this.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/164577/

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 07, 2013 10:50 AM (/kI1Q)

107 I will definitely not be gonig to any cafe's. Though I don't think Texas has any. Oh, we do. They generally have Mom's, Sissy's, or some such in the name where you can get bacon, ham, eggs, biscuits & gravy & Folgers or Maxwell House coffee by the gallon. Nancy boys need not apply.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2013 10:50 AM (GFM2b)

108 There's also that thing where they didn't give $250,000 mortgages to people with no job. Or income. Or credit. Or assets. Serious you guys, I explain the sub-prime lending process to my Canadian friends and they're all "what are you people, high?" In China, it's 30% down to buy a home. Think anyone is gonna walk away from that piece of change and tell the bank to 'stick it'? Hell, no.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 07, 2013 10:50 AM (feFL6)

109 The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice. ...so white women aren't included. Good to know in advance. Just pee on 'em.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2013 10:51 AM (GFM2b)

110 Dammit Kelley! Imminent threats don't require a secret extra-legal Presidential kill order! That has nothing to do with nothing! Can't people at least fucking wait for the *OTHER SIDE* to distort the issue with propaganda?!?!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 10:52 AM (bxiXv)

111 "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents -- #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back Â— $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic." - Barack Obama, July 3, 2008

Posted by: The at March 07, 2013 10:52 AM (e8kgV)

112 The fact that we even have a political class is indicative of serious problems. Serving in government shouldn't be such a great job that cock sucking bottom dwelling pond scum like Dickless Deadbrain are attracted to it.

Posted by: maddogg at March 07, 2013 02:42 PM (OlN4e)

Long ago government jobs were known as public service and attracted mostly civic-minded people. That went out the window when the AA policy reigned supreme.

Posted by: Decaf at March 07, 2013 10:52 AM (Dqox6)

113 Can I borrow you for a day? I need someone to beat some sense into my sister. I was telling her about Amanda Collins and the idiot state senator, and her first snarky comment was, "did she spontaneously abort the fetus?" Posted by: Mr. Burnett at March 07, 2013 02:45 PM (GsoHv) I'm glad you're okay with me beating the ever loving shit out of your sister. Because, I'm sorry, had she said that to me, violence would have ensued.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 07, 2013 10:52 AM (VtjlW)

114 A mandatory anger management program before you can buy ammunition? ThatÂ’s what one Florida lawmaker who represents part of Duval County wants to see happen. State Senator Audrey Gibson, a Democrat representing District 9, said she is surprised at the reaction the bill she filed Friday is getting. She intended the bill to reduce anger not cause anger, but she says her office has gotten phone calls not only from Floridians but even some from out of state. Bill 1678 is two-fold. It would require a three day waiting period for the sale of any firearm, but what is stirring the most controversy is a requirement that would make it a crime to buy ammunition unless you presented a certificate showing you completed a minimum two hour anger management program either online or face to face. If it becomes law, you would be required to renew the certification every 10 years. How about before you buy beer and Booze? Or drive a car? Or buy a baseball bat? Or have sex? Or get married? Or......

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 07, 2013 10:53 AM (9Bj8R)

115 State Senator Audrey Gibson, a Democrat representing District 9, said she is surprised at the reaction the bill she filed Friday is getting. She intended the bill to reduce anger not cause anger, but she says her office has gotten phone calls not only from Floridians but even some from out of state. I'mma go release some balloons at her.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 07, 2013 10:54 AM (VtjlW)

116 What time does the Great Burning start?

I don't want to be late to the party.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 07, 2013 10:54 AM (BuSM8)

117 "The problem is, is that the way Obama has done it over the last four years is to take out a credit card from the Federal Reserve in the name of our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren, driving up our national debt from $10 trillion for the first 43 presidents -- #44 added $6 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $16 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back Â— $52,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."

Posted by: The Count of Monte Cristo at March 07, 2013 10:54 AM (e8kgV)

118 She was basically agreeing with the democrat rep on it and was saying that this ranked low on Americans list of issues. This was right after they played Obama doing a victory lap on the vawa on video.

Posted by: NWConservative at March 07, 2013 10:55 AM (k7XhI)

119

A mandatory anger management program before you can buy ammunition

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Mandatory economics/history lesson before passing any bill?

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 10:56 AM (gmeXX)

120 I will definitely not be gonig to any cafe's. Though I don't think Texas has any.

Austin.

He was not filibustering for imminent lethal threats, he was talking about some guy sitting in a coffee shop or sleeping at home.

And even if he were, that doesn't matter. If a guy is carrying an M60 and shooting up the place, we don't get to send in a Drone Strike. We send in the appropriate Civil Authorities to stop and apprehend him. (This is assuming US Citizen on US Soil). If they can't apprehend him, they can make the call that public safety requires his immediate dispatch. BUT that's only after they've tried to apprehend.

There might be a few exceptions to this, but I really can't think of any. Even in the example of a re-run of the 9/11 attacks, what would be happening there is disarming the threat (the planes themselves) and it happening to be impossible to do that without killing the US Citizen on board. But that's not targeting the Citizens- or even the terrorists- but the plane. If we had some way to stop the plane without killing those aboard, then that would be the correct answer- we just don't.

US Citizens on US Soil get Due Process. That's it. Period. End of paragraph.

Police are forced to shoot people they'd rather capture on a semi-regular basis. That doesn't mean they're not trying to capture them. Simply saying, "Nope, kill him" is not the way we handle things.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 10:56 AM (xN73L)

121 Harrumph! All lies! It'll never work.

Posted by: Zombie John Maynard Keynes at March 07, 2013 10:56 AM (HsHyK)

122 It wasn't that long ago when a gummint job was viewed as boring, lightly-paid, but stable. My father-in-law worked for 35 years as an auditor for DoD, made $55K when he retired 20 years ago with a reasonable pension and medical. Now gummint is the noveau riche in the age of Obama.

Posted by: zsasz at March 07, 2013 10:57 AM (MMC8r)

123 The last time we really cut spending (1947-

, it set off the post-war boom in America. Unfortunately the people who actually did it were labeled the do-nothing congress and the Republicans didn't retake the house for 46 years.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Posted by: zmdavid at March 07, 2013 10:57 AM (x/juM)

124 State Senator Audrey Gibson, a Democrat representing District 9, said she is surprised at the reaction the bill she filed Friday is getting. Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 07, 2013 02:53 PM (9Bj8R) That's because she's not very bright. They had the same reaction to waiting periods but did it anyway. "Cooling down periods," they called them. Have you ever "cooled down" when someone told you you have to wait 30 days to get something you bought? Also, WTF is up with making someone wait to pick up their 7th or 15th gun? It's not like you're denying them access to a gun for that period, in fact all you're doing is "griefing," causing people annoyance because you don't like them and because you can get away with it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 10:57 AM (bxiXv)

125 Sadly, Japan is still trying it. In the last PM election they got another "stimulus" spender and giveaways to Japan's newly recruited free shit army. Endless spending is a nation-killer. No one can afford kids. It's simply a shell game of over there now with politicians looting the young and crashing their nation but, hey, they get rich through graft so they got that going for them. Same dealio over here with Obama, only he's more obvious about trying to economically destroy America. I denounce myself.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 07, 2013 10:58 AM (j2lYi)

126 I read the Department of Violence Against Women has it's own SWAT team.

Posted by: nip at March 07, 2013 10:58 AM (11Tdq)

127 I know this post is about math and budgets and stuff but would it hurt to throw in a pic of a blonde swede? In a bikini? Strictly to enhance the message of the post?

Posted by: Bosk at March 07, 2013 02:38 PM (n2K+4)

Fresh out Swedes. Will this do?

http://www.estarguapas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Miss-canada.jpg

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2013 10:58 AM (673KB)

128 Long ago government jobs were known as public service and attracted mostly civic-minded people.

Lol.

Posted by: 19th Century America at March 07, 2013 10:59 AM (/kI1Q)

129 Past 2pm and no rape posts? I think I just shit myself. 'round here, we call that "rape repellent."

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 07, 2013 10:59 AM (Ec6wH)

130

I lived in Japan off and on from 1988 (peak of the Bubble years) through 2010, including a stretch from 1990-1994 when the Bubble collapsed, and most recently from 2007-2010.

It is painful to feel, just in the ambience of the place, how much of the economy there is stagnant, even in the Tokyo metropolitan region which is the richest part of the country.

Note also that the political class is really only a tip-of-the-iceberg problem there, if we're focusing only on the "privileged-classes-that-plunder" aspect (and there are certainly myriad other aspects to the problems with Japan's economy).

The greatest chunk of the proverbial iceberg is the bureacratic class, which functions as a huge patronage machine crushing sovereign individuals as surely as the much-studied (and similarly daunting) phenomenon of Japanese sociocultural pressure. This bureaucratic class does what it does not only at the national-government level, but pervasively throughout all manifestations and mechanisms of governance and regulation in every corner of Japan.

Obama is growing that very same monster in America.

Posted by: RamonAllones at March 07, 2013 10:59 AM (3lLli)

131 The Violence Against Women Act outlaws violence against women, I guess that means the Affordable Care Act outlaws affordable care.

Posted by: zmdavid at March 07, 2013 10:59 AM (x/juM)

132 You are starting to think that maybe we don't need so much government? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at March 07, 2013 02:59 PM (OWjjx) That's a dronin'.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 07, 2013 11:00 AM (VtjlW)

133
Hell Ace.

You don't have to look overseas to find a country that prospered after slashing expenditures.

It happen HERE, right after WWII. All the "Roosevelt Progressives" were wringing their hands about economic disaster if the fed turns off the spigot of war time spending. Truman ...... to his credit.... went along with his "do nothing Congress" and curbed back the Fed spending levels.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 07, 2013 11:00 AM (nELVU)

134 12 The house has voted a new CR to fund thru the fall, ha ha, remember when they talked about being able to stop the spending last time or with the sequestration or with the debt limit? yeah, good times.

Maintaining the status quo would have meant removing the sequester. They did not do so.

Pre-sequester discretionary budget authority subject to caps: $1.043T

Post-sequester discretionary budget authority subject to caps: $984B

http://1.usa.gov/13Fnf5X

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 07, 2013 11:00 AM (YjDyJ)

135 But.. but.. but.. Keynes!!!

So, I've been hanging out at Daily Kooks again.. just because I am masochistic.. and I love stirring up the rabble.. it's too easy though.

But there is this idea the libtard experts over there are floating that debt doesn't matter. It is simply "on paper", and we can eliminate it by fiat at any time. To paraphrase Verbal Kint: "And poof - just like that, it's gone."

These are some pretty scary mo-fo's.. not because they are goofy. But, because they really believe this!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 07, 2013 11:01 AM (f9c2L)

136 the way Obama has done it over the last four years is to take out a credit card from the Federal Reserve in the name of our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren

and used part of the money on highly-advertised programs to ensure children and grandchildren are never born in the first place.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 07, 2013 11:02 AM (/kI1Q)

137
Ha, just heard on the radio "The VAWA also allows gay groups a way to apply for grants".

That 'violence' word, I don't think it means what they think it means.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 07, 2013 11:03 AM (p/cQy)

138
"And poof - just like that, it's gone."

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Awwww..... rottsa ruck with that round-eye.....

Posted by: Chineese Bond Holders at March 07, 2013 11:03 AM (nELVU)

139 But there is this idea the libtard experts over there are floating that debt doesn't matter. It is simply "on paper", and we can eliminate it by fiat at any time. To paraphrase Verbal Kint: "And poof - just like that, it's gone." Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 07, 2013 03:01 PM (f9c2L) Bill of Rights, too. You can't be a modern liberal and believe in consequences. Every act exists in isolation, nothing is your fault, every consequence is the result of external action, because potato.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:04 AM (bxiXv)

140 was that waitress who busted the girl with her DL arrested for serving someone underage?

Posted by: Bigby's Force Choke at March 07, 2013 11:04 AM (U50+B)

141 Yeah. repubs never cared about deficits and debt for 8 years under Cheneybush. Why start now?

Posted by: hermes trismagistus at March 07, 2013 11:04 AM (EWu0n)

142 Canada's banking regulators didn't allow the ninja loans which was also a huge part of avoiding the 2008-2009 recession. There's still a housing bubble in Canada but nowhere near the scale we had.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 07, 2013 11:04 AM (HDgX3)

143 These are some pretty scary mo-fo's.. not because they are goofy. But, because they really believe this!

And what, exactly, do they think the (oh, say) Chinese would do if we tell them "You f*cked up. You trusted us?" Do they think the PRC would say, "Nuts," or do they think the PRC would say, "North Korea can't hit the broad-side of a barn. Want to see what our ICBMs can do?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 11:04 AM (xN73L)

144 143 Yeah. repubs never cared about deficits and debt for 8 years under Cheneybush. Why start now?

Posted by: hermes trismagistus at March 07, 2013 03:04 PM (EWu0n)

_____________

Budget in 2007: $150 billion

Budget in 2013: $1500 billion

Yea no difference between Democrats and Republicans running things.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 07, 2013 11:05 AM (HDgX3)

145 I'm getting ads for a 48-pack of Pop Tarts on the main page.

Funny, that.

Posted by: fluffy at March 07, 2013 11:05 AM (z9HTb)

146 The dude who writes this shit blog is a fucking pussy. Come out and play, pussy.

Posted by: hermes trismagistus at March 07, 2013 11:06 AM (EWu0n)

147 Deficit not budget.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 07, 2013 11:06 AM (HDgX3)

148

Let me just quickly add to my #132 comment above, that my 1990-94 Tokyo stint was when I worked "in the belly of the beast" so to speak in Japan Inc. I worked in one of the top Japanese engineering/construction-management companies (to call it "the Bechtel of Japan" would be accurate and then some).

We totally depended on government mega-projects to stanch the private-sector red ink that began spouting in the early 1990s. And we were (rightly) subjected to equally massive corruption/bribery investigations during (but not because of!) my tenure there.

The construction industry inhaled humungous quantities of Japanese taxpayer monies throughout these past two "lost" decades in a vain attempt to administer a political/bureaucratic-class-led effort to maintain power while giving the Japanese citizenry the proverbial mushroom treatment.

Posted by: RamonAllones at March 07, 2013 11:06 AM (3lLli)

149 "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents -- #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back Â— $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic." - Barack Obama, July 3, 2008

Posted by: The at March 07, 2013 02:52 PM (e8kgV)

Shortly after the election I kept thinking that the voters must have been very stupid to have bought Obama's claims that after four yours of his stewardship the new debt is still Bush's fault. After further thought I came to the conclusion that the voters knew whose fault it was but were not concerned. They figured that there would always be enough of 'others' who could be used to pay for their goodies and trusted Obama to make sure they were never included in the 'others' group. Even someone as supposedly clever as Donna Brazile bought this line of thinking.

Posted by: Decaf at March 07, 2013 11:06 AM (Dqox6)

150 Canada's banking regulators didn't allow the ninja loans which was also a huge part of avoiding the 2008-2009 recession. There's still a housing bubble in Canada but nowhere near the scale we had. I always like to point out that our mentally-challenged lawyer president created mortgage-backed securities via his lawsuits.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 07, 2013 11:06 AM (T0NGe)

151 Posted by: fixerupper
.........
You can't use post-WW II America as an example. The world was a mess. Europe and Japan had nearly all their manufacturing capabilities destroyed.

We had taken off in that regard during WW II. After, the world needed "stuff" and we were the ones to make it. (And lend them the money to buy it! Bonus!)

THAT's the reason we prospered after WW II. Not because we stopped spending.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 07, 2013 11:06 AM (f9c2L)

152 Budget in 2007: $150 billion

That's after the last relevant budget.

Look at the Budget in 2006 (the last one a Republican House and Senate passed).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 11:06 AM (xN73L)

153 Don't drone me bro!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at March 07, 2013 11:07 AM (X+nFp)

154 And what, exactly, do they think the (oh, say) Chinese would do if we tell them "You f*cked up. You trusted us?" Do they think the PRC would say, "Nuts," or do they think the PRC would say, "North Korea can't hit the broad-side of a barn. Want to see what our ICBMs can do?"

SS Trust fund is holding around $2.5T in government paper. Go ahead; tell them to get lost.

Posted by: fluffy at March 07, 2013 11:08 AM (z9HTb)

155 Maybe Cruz, Paul, or Rubio should bring up the example of Canada again. Try out this newfangled fillibusty thingy. Kinda sounds like a porn star from PA.

Posted by: Iblis at March 07, 2013 11:08 AM (9221z)

156 but the slurpee? And the ditch? And the mess we're in? Didn't we try it their way? Surely, the greatest orator and thinker in our time can't be wrong?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 11:08 AM (QxSug)

157
Look at the Budget in 2006 (the last one a Republican House and Senate passed).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 03:06 PM (xN73L)

____________

I wrote budget, I meant deficit.

The deficit this year is 10 times - yes ten times - the size of the 2007 deficit under evil Bush.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 07, 2013 11:08 AM (HDgX3)

158 Oh, and Coolidge did it first! Fuck you Canada!

Posted by: Iblis at March 07, 2013 11:08 AM (9221z)

159 SS Trust fund is holding around $2.5T in government paper. Go ahead; tell them to get lost.

That's a good point, too. If we just "cancel" all this debt, the people most vulnerable are going to be SS and Medicare recipients (mostly the same people).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 11:09 AM (xN73L)

160 Another thing about these 'kids' in Canada in their 20's signing up for 200k to 700k mortgages... they appear intelligent, well spoken, and not a ONE is bitchin' about not being able to buy a house because they have a 100k student loan. They're filming these shows in Canada because 1). It's probably cheaper and 2). Because they have a supply of people who can afford to buy homes From the drumbeat on the left about student loans, I'm pretty certain Obama is gonna wave the magic wand before he leaves office and give the economy the final shot in the head and forgive them. Remember it was one of his first acts in office was to bring them under Federal Government control?

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 07, 2013 11:09 AM (feFL6)

161 I'm confused: why do we need the Violence Against Women Act when all we need to do is tell men "don't rape", "don't beat women", etc.?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 07, 2013 11:09 AM (QEUX+)

162 That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at March 07, 2013 11:09 AM (Dll6b)

163 But there is this idea the libtard experts over there are floating that debt doesn't matter. It is simply "on paper", and we can eliminate it by fiat at any time. To paraphrase Verbal Kint: "And poof - just like that, it's gone." Ask one of them to loan you a grand. "Poof. I don't owe you shit!"

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2013 11:09 AM (GFM2b)

164

Did MadisonConservative change to hermes trismagistus? They sound similar, except for MC's obsession with other mens' balls.

NTTAWWT

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 07, 2013 11:10 AM (ggRof)

165 The housing bust wouldn't have been so bad had the govt just stepped back and let it happened. Prices would have cratered 50% in a year. Investors would have jumped in afterwards and bought houses/condos at pennies on the dollar and the whole thing would have quickly corrected itself.

What turned a 1 year recession into a 5+ year recession is the govt stepping in to "help homeowners". Bush and Obama are both guilty of this.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 07, 2013 11:10 AM (HDgX3)

166 Japan tried what Obama is trying. It failed.

I don't think the Japanese were actively trying to destroy themselves. They were just stupid.

Posted by: elevenwing at March 07, 2013 11:11 AM (KXm42)

167 government spending is rape; not rape-rape, but nonetheless..

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at March 07, 2013 11:12 AM (Dll6b)

168 And what, exactly, do they think the (oh, say) Chinese would do if we tell them "You f*cked up. You trusted us?" Do they think the PRC would say, "Nuts," or do they think the PRC would say, "North Korea can't hit the broad-side of a barn. Want to see what our ICBMs can do?" Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 03:04 PM (xN73L) They think we are conspiracy crazed lunatics for believing that China would ever attack us. That's just crazy crazy crazy talk.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 07, 2013 11:12 AM (VtjlW)

169 I'm sure Sen Paul is fully aware of these sorts of stats. So if he's as principled as I (and he) would like to think, why isn't he doing a goddamn filibuster/hunger strike over THIS issue? I'm disappointed, and I don't want to be.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 07, 2013 11:12 AM (Mxt9o)

170 What turned a 1 year recession into a 5+ year recession is the govt stepping in to "help homeowners". Bush and Obama are both guilty of this.

That sounds a lot like what happened in the 30s and 40s.

Wow, if only there were a discipline whereby we could study the events of the past and learn lessons from them to apply to the events of the modern day...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 11:12 AM (xN73L)

171 43 (CNSNews.com) - House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) said today that the government must cut spending, and then explained that: Â“Tax cuts are spending.Â”

Sadly, some Republicans adopted the "tax cuts are spending" argument during the fiscal cliff debate.

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 07, 2013 11:13 AM (YjDyJ)

172 >>>Awwww..... rottsa ruck with that round-eye.....

Better watch your mouth. Otherwise His Grace King Petulant, first of his name, will fire up the printing presses and print enough money to pay your asses off overnight.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 07, 2013 11:13 AM (0q2P7)

173 They think we are conspiracy crazed lunatics for believing that China would ever attack us. That's just crazy crazy crazy talk.

Of course, they think we're crazy anyway, because we want to own guns.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 11:13 AM (xN73L)

174 Budget in 2007: $150 billion
Budget in 2013: $1500 billion
Yea no difference between Democrats and Republicans running things.

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Budget in 2013??? What budget??? There aint no stinking budget??

But the point still stands.

Its not that we didnt care..... but it was manageable. If your total deficit is 3-5% of GDP...... but you're experiencing 3-5% growth in GDP..... you can manage it.

Lemme ask you something hermes trismagistus..... when the dollar goes **pop**..... you think you are somehow going to be insulated from the ensuing carnage.

This will eat all of us alive.

Today..... the deficit is a trillion plus.... four years running. deficits aaproaching 10% of GDP.... with GDP growth 1-2%.... if you believe the govt numbers. And total debt now over 100% of GDP.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 07, 2013 11:14 AM (nELVU)

175 Yeah.. they haven't exactly thought it through..

One of them responded when I asked those type of questions: "We'll print money."

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 07, 2013 11:14 AM (f9c2L)

176 Hermes talks like a fag and his shit's all fucked up.

Punkass bitch

Posted by: elevenwing at March 07, 2013 11:14 AM (KXm42)

177 Look at the Budget in 2006 (the last one a Republican House and Senate passed). Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 03:06 PM (xN73L) I don't actually know how much of the 2007 budget was from after January 20, when the Dems took power. Some of it was a result of earlier work, at least. 2006 was 250 billion. 2007 was 162 billion. 2008 was 455, 2009 1400. The deficit went down radically in the later 90s after the massive budget fight (Dems opposed cuts, by and large, and took credit for them later). They bumped up strongly again after 9/11 and were brought back down during two wars. I hope no one is actually suggesting that Pelosi and Reid weren't profligate spenders.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:15 AM (bxiXv)

178 front's comin'...

Posted by: like they say in north Texas at March 07, 2013 11:15 AM (Dll6b)

179 wtf pixie???? changed the order of my paragraphs???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (nELVU)

180 I wouldn't envy Canada too much...we had our bout of Communism in the 70's, 80's and early 90's...I've spent most of my life since I got out of high school in the 80's paying for those fucker's spending spree.

Posted by: CanaDave at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (jP+OD)

181 The Big Lebowski was released in the US 15 years ago yesterday.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (w+Dvf)

182 Yeah. repubs never cared about deficits and debt for 8 years under Cheneybush. Why start now I'm a bitch.

Posted by: Compound Interest at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (QupBk)

183 I'll just concede that we spent a lot under Bush. So what.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (gmeXX)

184 front's comin'...

Yeah, when we say that in North Texas, we're talking hail storms. Though the two words are similar enough I can see where the confusion would come in.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (xN73L)

185

I will definitely not be gonig to any cafe's.

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Cafe's are sooo...French

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (SO2Q8)

186

163 I'm confused: why do we need the Violence Against Women Act when all we need to do is tell men "don't rape", "don't beat women", etc.?

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Heh.

It's a stupidly named piece of legislation, too.

On one hand, it sounds like it's advocating violence against women...as though it's declaring open season on women.

On the other hand, it sounds sexist.

Why just women? Is violence against men...okay?

Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2013 11:16 AM (QPnFm)

187 Hermes talks like a fag and his shit's all ~~fucked up~~ packed in.

Punkass bitch

Posted by: elevenwing at March 07, 2013 03:14 PM (KXm42)

Corrected for accuracy.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 07, 2013 11:17 AM (xmcEQ)

188 I've spent most of my life since I got out of high school in the 80'spaying for those fucker's spending spree. So, you're a veterinarian?

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 07, 2013 11:17 AM (feFL6)

189 >>>North Korea can't hit the broad-side of a barn. Want to see what our ICBMs can do?

China is pretty smarmy but they always look out for China. Giving the heaviest armed country in the world an excuse to reduce their principal economic rival to ash and wondering tribes, but mostly ash, is not the type of mistake China would make.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 07, 2013 11:17 AM (0q2P7)

190 Dear Moron Horde,

I am graduating this May, and I wanted to share some news with you guys! I have been asked to go to a second interview with a securities advisory firm! I am incredibly stoked, and I thought I would share the news with you guys!

Posted by: Knndlb at March 07, 2013 11:17 AM (O/MId)

191 Well. if the Chicoms nuked us, they really would get stiffed.

Posted by: Libtardo at March 07, 2013 11:17 AM (R7uOf)

192 wondering = wandering.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 07, 2013 11:17 AM (0q2P7)

193 I miss my Fender Doomcaster.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 07, 2013 11:18 AM (vBSha)

194 It had a Floyd Rose and everything.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 07, 2013 11:18 AM (vBSha)

195 I wouldn't envy Canada too much...we had our bout of Communism in the 70's, 80's and early 90's...I've spent most of my life since I got out of high school in the 80'spaying for those fucker's spending spree.

Posted by: CanaDave at March 07, 2013 03:16 PM (jP+OD)

True dat. But at least we hit bottom, and are now swimming toward the light at the surface. Leastwise as long as the Spawn of Satan doesn't gain power in the next Federal election.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2013 11:18 AM (673KB)

196 Hey, what do you know, the 2007 budget ran from October 2006 to october 2007, was voted in by the Republican 109th Congress and signed by Bush. Fucking Homework, how do it work?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:19 AM (bxiXv)

197 also please consider that the dear leader is hiding the true cost of his deficit spending by having the ben bernake keep interest rates waaaayyyyy too low for the rest of the country to operate. Old fuckers are living off of principle instead of interest, oh well at least my credit card companies can still get 30% roi

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 11:19 AM (QxSug)

198 I miss my Fender Doomcaster.

Bown -chicka - ohnoe

Posted by: elevenwing at March 07, 2013 11:19 AM (KXm42)

199 Giving the heaviest armed country in the world an excuse to reduce their principal economic rival to ash and wondering tribes, but mostly ash, is not the type of mistake China would make.

Possibly. Of course, ICBM != Nuclear Payload (necessarily), and the first launch could be against a proxy nation (Taiwan, for instance). The point being that stiffing a major military power on the debt you owe to them is a good way to start a war.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 07, 2013 11:19 AM (xN73L)

200 > I will definitely not be gonig to any cafe's. Though I don't think Texas has any.

yeah they do, but they're old school.

Like the Chat n' Chew. Run by Miss Ruby who is now 70, and still keeps a .38 in the register.

Y'all come back now.

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 07, 2013 11:19 AM (8sCoq)

201 why do we need the Violence Against Women Act when all we need to do is tell men "don't rape", "don't beat women", etc.?

All the women at the Department Of Don't Rape, Dude have to be paid $600k/year so we won't lose the best and brightest of them to the private-sector Don't Rape, Dude companies who Don't Rape for profit.

Also, they wanted diamond toilets, and you're against rape, aren't you?! so we bought them diamond toilets with your money.

Posted by: oblig. at March 07, 2013 11:19 AM (cePv8)

202 The deficit this year is 10 times - yes ten times - the size of the 2007 deficit under evil Bush.

Herr Troll's premise that no one complained or criticized it is flat-out wrong. Conservatives did indeed criticize Bush for it.

As did some proggs, although it turns out they were just angry he didn't spend enough, or spent it while white, or didn't make out the check to them, or something.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 07, 2013 11:20 AM (/kI1Q)

203 >>>>I miss my Fender Doomcaster.

♪♫♪♫

Happy?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 07, 2013 11:21 AM (0q2P7)

204 185 I'll just concede that we spent a lot under Bush. So what. Posted by: SH at March 07, 2013 03:16 PM (gmeXX) Don't. While an intransigent President and Senate can block action, the responsibility usually lies with Congress, especially when they have the cooperation of at least one of the others. Secondly, budgets through 2007 were by the Republican majority. When the Dems took over, spending skyrocketed.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:22 AM (bxiXv)

205 192 Dear Moron Horde,

I am graduating this May, and I wanted to share some news with you guys! I have been asked to go to a second interview with a securities advisory firm! I am incredibly stoked, and I thought I would share the news with you guys!

Posted by: Knndlb at March 07, 2013 03:17 PM (O/MId)

____________________

Cool.

If the process is anything like it was for me 15 years ago, expect a 3rd and 4th and 5th interview as well before you get the job. But making it from 1 to 2 is huge.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 07, 2013 11:22 AM (HDgX3)

206

True dat. But at least we hit bottom, and are now swimming toward the light at the surface. Leastwise as long as the Spawn of Satan doesn't gain power in the next Federal election.

I agree...things have lightened up a bit since Harper got in.

Which one is the Spawn of Satan? there are so many...I'm currently tolerating a pig of a Premier of Quebec calling herself 'Prime Minister of Quebec'

Posted by: CanaDave at March 07, 2013 11:23 AM (jP+OD)

207 honestly, how can the donkies play this game, it's obama's spending. get over it. he's had 5 years to do something about it. The dear leader is an absentee figurehead.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 11:23 AM (QxSug)

208 199 also please consider that the dear leader is hiding the true cost of his deficit spending by having the ben bernake keep interest rates waaaayyyyy too low for the rest of the country to operate. Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 03:19 PM (QxSug) Actively suppressing interest rates while tripling the money supply. Naw, that couldn't possibly have any consequences later on.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:24 AM (bxiXv)

209

Posted by: Knndlb at March 07, 2013 03:17 PM (O/MId)

Congrats! Hope all goes well, and you get the job.

Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2013 11:25 AM (QPnFm)

210

"31 American politicians don't give a fuck what history says, they are SMARTER and will DO IT RIGHT this time showing everyone else in the world and history that they are fucking stupid.

Didn't John Kerry say that socialism fails because they're not doing it right?"

I don't now about Kerry, but I distinctly remember being surprised when Obama once brought up the subject of the famous satellite photo of Korea, which shows the stark contrast between capitalism and communism. He described the abject poverty in North Korea as being a result of being "closed" (!). As if they were only more "open", everything would be honky-dory there, and it has NOTHING to do with being a f-ing commie dictatorship.

I'm STILL taken aback by that kind of stuff. And Carter, lamenting about Chavez's death? I knew he said a lot of far-out libtard crap, but that's really further than expect from ANY non-Obama past president. Wow. I STILL can't believe the post-Obama era hasn't begun. Something is very, very wrong.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 07, 2013 11:25 AM (Mxt9o)

211 Typical conversation with liberal can be summed up as...

Obama is spending way too much
Yeah But Bush Did Too!!

Obama is killing people indiscriminately
Yeah But Bush Did Too

XYZ is happening and it's bad
Yeah but XYZ was happening with Bush too

It's all they got.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 07, 2013 11:25 AM (HDgX3)

212 VAWA creates Office of Do These Jeans Make Me Look Fat

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 07, 2013 11:25 AM (8sCoq)

213

"Nah, it's worse. Politicians don't have parents."

Success has a thousand fathers...

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at March 07, 2013 11:26 AM (TQbuA)

214 Kind of rustles my Jimmies that when you actually check the facts and come back with them, there's a new thread and everyone goes there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:26 AM (bxiXv)

215 >>>and the first launch could be against a proxy nation (Taiwan, for instance).

Yeah that would be too bad....for Taiwan. China has slowly come to the realization that they got F*ked and there really isn't a lot they can do about it. They will get their US dollars eventually, they know that. They also know that inflation from M1 flooding will cause them to be worth a lot less. And there isn't much they can say or do about it other than stop buying the bonds. Oh and they could make a play for reserve currency. There's a real threat.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 07, 2013 11:27 AM (0q2P7)

216 VAWA creates Office of FUPA.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2013 11:28 AM (GFM2b)

217

...there's a new thread and everyone goes there.

I think there should only ever be one continuous thread...we can get a ticker kind of thing to watch it stream by like wall street

Posted by: CanaDave at March 07, 2013 11:29 AM (jP+OD)

218 VAWA creates Office of FUPA.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2013 03:28 PM (GFM2b)

Thread winner.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 07, 2013 11:29 AM (xmcEQ)

219 210 199 also please consider that the dear leader is hiding the true cost of his deficit spending by having the ben bernake keep interest rates waaaayyyyy too low for the rest of the country to operate. Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 03:19 PM (QxSug) Actively suppressing interest rates while tripling the money supply. Naw, that couldn't possibly have any consequences later on. **** hey man! fuck off, don't you know that the stock market is like super high!!!@#!@!@# and so is the price of gold and gas and other commodities. But I am sure that that's just a co inky dink.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 11:29 AM (QxSug)

220 But there is this idea the libtard experts over there are floating that debt doesn't matter. It is simply "on paper", and we can eliminate it by fiat at any time. To paraphrase Verbal Kint: "And poof - just like that, it's gone." Ask them, If we can just print fiat currency. Why bother with taxes?

Posted by: Max Entropy at March 07, 2013 11:31 AM (HsHyK)

221 I agree...things have lightened up a bit since Harper got in.
Which one is the Spawn of Satan? there are so many...I'm currently tolerating a pig of a Premier of Quebec calling herself 'Prime Minister of Quebec'

Posted by: CanaDave at March 07, 2013 03:23 PM (jP+OD)

Spawn of Satan = Justin Trudeau

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2013 11:31 AM (673KB)

222 213 Typical conversation with liberal can be summed up as... Obama is spending way too much Yeah But Bush Did Too!! Obama is killing people indiscriminately Yeah But Bush Did Too XYZ is happening and it's bad Yeah but XYZ was happening with Bush too It's all they got. ****** yeah, Bush sucked balls and that's why Obama sucks balls too. Oh wait, Obama sucks balls because he likes it. ghey Anyway, yeah, Bush got us into the mess we're in and yet obama's repeating all of his choice policies, or at least that's how he defends his blunders, even though: operation linebaker != F&F gee, we're keeping W's taxes??? (which is good, don't get me wrong) drones? Gitmo!

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 11:31 AM (QxSug)

223 206 budgets through 2007 were by the Republican majority. When the Dems took over, spending skyrocketed. When this point has to be repeatedly made to non-trolls that inhabit and post on this site....well, I just don't fucking know anymore. Christ. *Everything* changed in 2007. When we changed from civics to social studies, I guess everyone just forgot where all spending in this country originates?

Posted by: akula51 at March 07, 2013 11:32 AM (Vgn84)

224 214 VAWA creates Office of Do These Mom Jeans Make Me Look Fat FIFY. I mean, shit, it was an *executive* order after all.

Posted by: akula51 at March 07, 2013 11:33 AM (Vgn84)

225 Christ. *Everything* changed in 2007. When we changed from civics to social studies, I guess everyone just forgot where all spending in this country originates? Posted by: akula51 at March 07, 2013 03:32 PM (Vgn84) As far as not knowing the basics of the budget, yes, it's sad. I do get how some people are confused about which congress made which budget, after all the 2006 Congress signed the 2007 budget. But it's not like I needed a degree in Arcane Financing to look up who passed the 2007 budget.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:40 AM (bxiXv)

226 Someone also asked me "If Congress is responsible for the budget, and Congress has been Republican since 2010..." So I said, "Well, first of all the Senate hasn't passed ANY budget since before then. Since Congress' budgets have been rejected, they weren't allowed to set the budget. Secondly they were seated in 2011, so it's not "2010-now" it's "2011-now", and if there was a 2011 budget it would have been passed in 2010 unless very late." And then eyes glaze over and "But, wait, if the Republicans have been in since 2010..." At which point you realize you're not dealing with a fully realized human being.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/i] at March 07, 2013 11:43 AM (bxiXv)

227 and the "bush did it" crowd may also want to consider other bush policies that let him keep ue about 5% ish: non-strangulating regulations of the economy. Although, to be fair, the raw-milk USDA food nazi bureaucrat ninja shit started on his watch.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 11:53 AM (QxSug)

228 I wouldn't envy Canada too much...we had our bout of
Communism in the 70's, 80's and early 90's...I've spent most of my life
since I got out of high school in the 80'spaying for those fucker's
spending spree.
Posted by: CanaDave at March 07, 2013 03:16 PM (jP+OD)

And doesn't it make your little heart go pitty-pat knowing that after paying for decades, you're still on the hook for >$17,000 federally and who knows how much for your province's debt.

And if I may be an even sunnier ray of sunshine-y goodness, there's also your share of unfunded public sector pensions.

Posted by: Robin Banks at March 07, 2013 11:53 AM (EjsOc)

229 At least her blender is still loyal.

Posted by: JohnJ at March 07, 2013 12:45 PM (Tt6ky)

230

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 07, 2013 03:43 PM (bxiXv)

High school civics teachers - if any such still exist - must weep. Ninety-five percent of the population think the President sets the budget ("Bush spent all that money!").

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 07, 2013 12:53 PM (IDSI7)

231

Spawn of Satan = Justin Trudeau

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2013 03:31 PM (673KB)

Don't you mean Pierre Trudeau?

And given Kevin Trudeau's sorry history, it looks like Famiglia Trudeau has some 'splainin' to do.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 07, 2013 12:55 PM (IDSI7)

232

199 also please consider that the dear leader is hiding the true cost of his deficit spending by having the ben bernake keep interest rates waaaayyyyy too low for the rest of the country to operate.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 07, 2013 03:19 PM (QxSug)[/i\

He kinda has to, because if interest rates rose to the level necessary to flog off T-bills, the economy would be even deeper in the shitter than it is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 07, 2013 12:58 PM (IDSI7)

233

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 07, 2013 12:59 PM (IDSI7)

234 The individual States have sold their souls for money, and now power is inverted, with Washington calling all the shots. Sickening. The D's & R's are tag teaming us all, and the result will be higher taxes and less benefits.

I knew early on that SSI probably wouldn't be there when I reached age when I observed how they kept changing the rules while I was in the USN - 20 & full retirement became 20 & partial. I don't remember all the gradations in between {22 & partial plus?} or what was the decided # for full retirement.

Until/unless these "lawmakers" have to eat their own cooking {same bennies as us peons} nothing will change - they will continue to take it all away, as they pile on more & more debt.

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at March 07, 2013 01:01 PM (bdged)

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