1 We need to set up a Mohammed stomping counter battery....

asshole teachers.

2 Educators are simply not that bright. The curriculum called for the stomping, so the professor put it on. No real thought involved.

3 ace,

Don't forget, the school suspended the student who called the professor out.

4 How about Weasel Stomping Day (teacher edition)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76IGLi6jWI

5 Bravo, Ace.  Truly lucid deconstruction of what went on here.

6 Ace,
As I'm sure you're aware, the professor in question is black, ergo your post is racist, and the moral high ground remains his and his alone.  See how easy it is to form a worldview?  No need for a TLDR post.  Just roll with it, racist.

7 3 EC,

you can't have a tyranny without stupid overreach...

the tyrant was caught being a dick so he kicked in the turbo and went "asshole"

8 I'm bracing myself for the Christians to start rioting in the streets, burning flags, and blowing themselves up.

9
Man, I hope that dude is suing the crap out of that university and the professor specifically.

10 I think a good way to get some answers is set up a national "Stomp Mohammed" day.  That ought to wake everyone up.

11 Must one really go to college and pay tens of thousands of dollars to get a piece of construction paper and put his foot on it?

I have long maintained that every society has to decide what to do with its indolent and willfully ignorant.  We institutionalize ours in colleges and universities where they do less harm than in the real world.  But make no mistake, they still do harm.  It just takes longer for it to manifest itself.

12 8 mrdin,

Just because it hasn't happened here doesn't mean it hasn't happened...

Lebanon

13 the tyrant was caught being a dick so he kicked in the turbo and went "asshole"


The school double-downed on the suspension.  I hope the student is able to sue the school for all sorts of shit, even made up shit.  I'm pretty incensed at this story.

14 First the lawyers, then the college profs.

15 I'm bracing myself for the Christians to start rioting in the streets, burning flags, and blowing themselves up.

Shouldn't we be blowing up other people?

*adds Jello and celery to grocery list*

16 10 Herlader,

Indeed....

I think we may need to get a new generation of asshole Xians...

we'll help your grandma across the street, give you the shirt off our back and knock your teeth down your throat...whatever is needed.

17 Love the fact the "professor" is a Dem activist. 

18 Good essay Ace.

19 Its about time he weighed in, now to read the article and see if you have the latest outrage on this.

20

the feminist to stomp on...

 

Leah Dunham?

21 I'd like to knock that fucking affirmative action "professor" activist on his ass and piss on his fucking face. 

22 The only things they think need to be challenged are the things that support Western Civilization. This is a class in relativism-- which is, at its core, about diminishing Western Civ until it's no more important, preferable, or just than any other civilization out there.

23 he feminist to stomp on...

Leah Dunham?

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 27, 2013 11:45 AM (t06LC)

BC pills.

24 Hey prof, how 'bout stomping a pic of the JEF? 


Yeah, didn't think so....

25 Beautiful.

26

Very interesting post. Had heard about this, and was irritated but glad the student prevailed in the end. However, I had pretty much passed this off as more of the typical liberal/leftist education establishment BS that goes on every day, but this analysis takes it to a better level.

 

Don't various forms and levels of this kind of "indoctrination" go on at many levels in the media every day?

27 Good essay Ace.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2013 11:44 AM (OlN4e)

 

Good comment, esse.

28 I just stomped on a picture of Nelson Mandela's face.  It was that blowing up of trains with women and children aboard during the Apartheid days thing.  I hope I haven't offended anyone. 

29 Course title and description?

30 OT

Just noticed on Drudge that Sean Penn's son just outed himself as a paragon of tolerance.

31

"Remember the starting assumption: Only Christians need these sorts of lessons. That being the case then, no other students should gain credits from taking the course. "

Lesson or reality show? WTF happened to readings, lectures, and term papers?

32 From this morning post

The student who refused to stomp on “Jesus” is having academic charges filed against him and HAS been expelled. So their statement that no punishment yesterday was lying bullshit. Keep in mind this is a public funded college. It is time to fire some people. Also, one wonders if they have incompetent lawyers advising them or if they are simply not listening to them.

http://is.gd/SFXDaR

33 Can you imagine the outpour of Humanity if the word MUhammed was the topic? Why the Chocolate Cupcake in Charge would spit out Reggies 7 Iron . and do something..

34 I'm bracing myself for the Christians to start rioting in the streets, burning flags, and blowing themselves up. From my reading of the incident, it was a Mormon student who balked. Statistically I'd imagine there had to be at least one or two Christians in the class who could have also balked, but kept their mouths shut and went along. Conjecture on my part.

35

One of the sites (I forgot which) had the section from the book, and it didn't even make any sense.

The actual lesson is an interesting study in human nature and how something that is meaningless (a piece of paper) becomes a symbol when something is written on it.

But you can merely describe that and point to examples, you don't actually have to go through the exercise.

This is what I don't understand about the new hippie teaching methods (mind you I'm only in my late 20s and still GET OFF MY LAWN.)

What is the point of engaging in this activity?  Why couldn't the professor have merely highlighted the myriad examples of symbolism.  He could have for example discussed Jewish tradition to write "G-D" as a matter of not writing out the name of God (so that you don't destroy the symbol.)

Furthermore the entire point of the exercise as it was written in the book was to have someone express discomfort (if no one does then the exercise itself doesn't teach what it's supposed to teach.)

In that sense the professor was trying to teach a different lesson (hatred of religion) to which I say "Fuck him."  The class isn't about stepping on Christianity Dipshit, it's about discussion of the importance of symbols.  "I hate Christians 101" is down the hall.

36

I'm bracing myself for the Christians to start rioting in the streets, burning flags, and blowing themselves up.

 

Kate of smalldeadanimals:

 

"Not showing up to riot is a failed conservative policy"

 

Of course, the Burning Times will change all that.

37 32 Vic,

because it is a public institution it is also very vulnerable to counter demonstrations...

I am thinking maybe we need to coopt the counterculture shit and start protesting the fuckers.

38 I mentioned this recently. When I was in college, and especially following 9/11, there was a concerted push across all my classes to instruct the kiddies about 'Us vs. Them'. 'Us vs. Them' is a construct used to divide people against each other. There actually is no 'Them' you see, we're all 'Us', 'Us vs. Them' is just a distraction. A distraction prefered by evil types like Boooosh, Xtianists, etc. The answer is to unify 'Us' so as to defeat 'Them', or 'Us', or something. It all seemed rather silly to me at the time, still does.

39 Vic, thanks, I was unaware of the latest and greatest on this. I had thought the student prevailed.

40 How about this professor takes a magic marker and writes Heyzeus on his sack.  Then we stomp it some.  Suffer for his art, and all that.

41 I got a say this type of stuff has been happening for 40 years and now your in the shit waste deep.

42 34 illegally posting anonymously on the internet,

not bad conjecture though...statistically the numbers are higher.

43 EC, I just had to go to Drudge and see what Sean Penn's hell spawn did:

Sean Penn's son handled a paparazzo in Beverly Hills today much the way his father used to ... violently ramming the photog -- and also calling the guy a "f***ot" and a "n***er."


Nice.  And his spawn's name is "Hopper."  How douchey.

44 I hope the student is able to sue the school

I don't.  That only means that once again, the taxpayers pay for the stupidity and bias of others.  Instead, all involved, from the "professor" to the president of the University need to be looking for new jobs.  That'll get the attention of both them and any other brave, transgressive types who think this is how you demonstrate how superior you are.

45 I'd stomp on a picture of Bucky Dent, Bill Laimbeer or the 72 Russian Olympic hoops team.

46 If it had been a picture of Christ, the young man had been asked to stomp on it might have had the makings of a great novel as in "Silence" by the Japanese Christian Shusako Endo: http://www.amywelborn.com/catholicwriters/silence.html This story of academia is the shape of things to come. Islam will get a pass. Christianity not so much

47 I think I'll stomp on a pic of TFG.  As a stress-reliever.

48 I see some small amount of utility to this assignment, but only in a "punch back twice as hard" kind of way. The student should have written "Liberal Fascist" ( but I repeat myself) and stomped on that, thereby causing the teacher's head to 'splode.

49 @ 45 hey Bill Lambier was clean..

50

If I were to stomp on someone's face (I mean their actual face), it would be _____________.

 

51 Actually, the governor "requested" an explanation. I would have told FAU: You're a state institution, I'm the chief executive of the state, so you'd better make it good because your job is on the line.

52 OBVIOUSLY Gov. Rick Scott is a SoCon religious right stooge who needs to focus on what's REALLY IMPORTANT.

53 Imagine the outcry if he had called for the stomping of "Obama"

54 The Mormon doesn't view the empty Cross as a holy symbol. He would have shrugged and stomped on the torture-implement of the Romans. Even more so for the Muslim (Muslims have hated the Cross since the start).

Jesus's *name* is different.

The Mormon and the Muslim alike view Jesus as the Christ and his mission as holy.

55 Vic - that article was from Monday, I believe the case has progressed since that point in time and the student is no longer under (wholly illegitimate) sanction.

56 @ 53 thats a thread of a different color and time..

57 You're a state institution, I'm the chief executive of the state, so you'd better make it good because your job is on the line.

My guess is that they'll decide to spend more time with their families soon. 

58 and the atheist to stomp on a sheet of paper reading "Trivial acts of intellectual rebellion won't make daddy love you any more," That was the most awesome thing anyone will write on the HQ all day. We can all go home now.

59 FIRE is going to have a field day with this, particularly the whole oh hey no one got punished except we're totally punishing the kid who squealed bit. Because, obviously, if you wanted to teach all students something along these lines, you'd ask each to smash the symbols of something personally/psychologically important to himself or herself. I was actually thinking about this earlier today. It's not necessarily a bad illustration to teach the very basic concept that words and symbols have meaning to the extent that we vest them with meaning and accept the underlying premise of the meaning. But that lesson works to and only to the extent that you are using something the student finds valuable. Ask me to stomp on a Yankees pennant and I will jump up and down in gleeful abandon. Ask me to do that to a Cubs hat and it's on like Donkey Kong. Also, you can teach the same lesson by writing down Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever, holding up the card and saying "Now, if I put this on the ground and stepped on it, would you be offended? If so, tell me why." Same lesson, no actual offense. You're absolutely correct about all the rest of it, of course. It's beyond unthinking and goes into being actively anti-thought.

60

Sharp analysis, Ace.

 

So instead he teaches a course, supposedly offering "lessons," but largely to people he's already decided have no need of his "lessons."

 

They are needed there to validate the prof's actions and witness the Christian's humiliation.  If no-one sees it did it really happen sort of thing.

61 55 Vic - that article was from Monday, I believe the case has progressed since that point in time and the student is no longer under (wholly illegitimate) sanction.
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What about the "Prof."?

62

Alec Baldwin:  Is calling a black man a "coon" worse than calling him the "n-word?" 

My response:  "Coon" is worse--I hear many blacks call each other the "n-word." 

63 58 Ian S,

pretty much...

"Love me...ME DADDY!"

//A Sullivan esq

64 Imagine the outcry if he had called for the stomping of "Obama" As I've seen suggested elsewhere, the student should have written "CHICAGO" above "JESUS" and then stomped it. Problem solved.

65 "Non-approved ideas will contaminate the faithful." --Sharif Don't-like-it. Srsly, multi-culti is only uni-culti, as is amply documented here: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d9uyc4z http://preview.tinyurl.com/d6jz5 Btw, Muzzies will get exercised if you diss عيسى (Issa).

66 Your link is wrong, Vic. The student wasn't expelled. From Drudge: "Rotelas is back in class, but with a different instructor. He claimed "victory" Tuesday on his Facebook page once the university decided he wouldn't be punished. Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/

67 Hopper Penn is an abusive out-of-control hater? Gee, never could have guessed that would happen from that loving family

68 Love the fact the "professor" is a Dem activist.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 27, 2013 11:44 AM (lVPtV)

Surely you don't expect Top Men to act like parvenus and point this out.  They have more important things to concentrate on, like getting new tee-times because of all this blasted cold weather.

69 Great post.

70 I'm kind of surprised Bill Ayers wasn't invited as a guest lecturer.

71 67 BTH,


is Hooper spawn of Material Gal or Robin(seldom)Wright?

72 The best way to keep these "jumped-up monkeys" in their place is with a two-handed truncheon.

73 I'd really really really like to know the name of this course and its description as it's listed in the registry.

74 Has Jeff Spicoli been asked to comment? 

75 C'mon AtC, I wanna hear how you managed to swallow the gummy tab.

76 Good dissection, oh Furry One.

77 Ooh we need to find a flag for Christians to burn. Maybe a rainbow banner or does the EU have a flag? Maybe we could just go with pictures Biden?

78 Best rundown of the FAU thing I've seen yet.

79 we may be winning the sequester....

Rasmussen says 45% think the sequester didn't cut enough spending....


BOOM

80 8 I'm bracing myself for the Christians to start rioting in the streets, burning flags, and blowing themselves up.  
 

Posted by: mrdinj at March 27, 2013 11:42 AM (9qDRl)

 

Sadly, one lesson that can be drawn from recent history, is that only violent protests are listened to by the Elite...

 

1 million TEA Partiers in Washington???  /crickets.....

 

Bunch of Moslems in another country Kill each other over a Cartoon??  Ah... we must silence ourselves...

81 DOH --pictures of Biden.

82 C'mon AtC, I wanna hear how you managed to swallow the gummy tab. Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 27, 2013 11:59 AM (da5Wo) I answered below but I'll repeat here. Licking it.

83

 I hope the student is able
to sue the school

I don't. That only means that once again, the taxpayers pay for the stupidity and bias of others. Instead, all involved, from the "professor" to the president of the University need to be looking for new jobs. That'll get the attention of both them and any other brave, transgressive types who think this is how you demonstrate how superior you are.

 

But even when they are fired they soon find a happy home in some other taxpayer funder institution.  They are never made to suffer for their anti-social behavior.

84 80 Romeo13,

Maybe if we rioters BUY the slums we burn....?

85 73

I'd really really really like to know the name of this course and its description as it's listed in the registry.

Posted by: Soothsayer at March 27, 2013 11:58 AM
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Don't know about that, but, "The lesson on bashing the name of Christ is included in a textbook titled, “Intercultural Communication: A Contextual Approach, 5th Edition.”

86 Right on, Ace, in characterizing this as an intellectually lazy and evil exercise.  Note the esteemed professor's credentials include a Phd from Howard University. Typical Howard University product? probably. Useless? for sure.

The FAU bio states his specialties are in communications, race something or other, and something else useless. I own a small biz and employ half a dozen sales reps. Would I ever consider hiring someone whose studies specialize in this sort of grievance-mongering? Why on earth would I? Let's see: a customer-facing rep who has a racial/gender/LBGTQ-EIEIO chip on his or her shoulder? Is that a recipe for a success in a customer-facing job?

Sales isn't everything, but it's a lot of things. The people educated by Howard and FAU in this sort of crap are stained with unemployability outside of the education or gubmint world, and guess what: those are not productive enterprises. Good luck, losers, and maybe you should ask for your tuition and wasted years back from these BS institutions.

87 Bad Boys was a decent Sean Penn movie, like an OZ for a younger generation of shithead kids like myself. The soda cans in the pillow case, the boom box bomb, all good stuff.

88 Let's have "Everyone Stomp on a Pic of Mohammed Day."  Remember how well the "Everyone Draw Mohammed Day" worked out?

89 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2013 11:56 AM (7rusg)


That was from Fox.  Their story was that on Fri the university said no punishment but on Monday he was expelled and had "academic charges" filed against him.


Those may have been withdrawn by now. I can't follow every news organization in the country.

90 82 AlextheChick,

You know....that answer answers so many questions...

91 Great piece, as always, Ace. I swear, I would have written Obama on a piece of paper and started stomping on it. What did the student have to lose? But, of course, the student was much too decent for that. Only the vile creatures swimming in the sewers could come up with such a class, such a "professor/propagandist" and "instruction."

92 This post is proof that eating hobo meat makes you smart.  Real smart.

Great work,  Ace.

93 Fifty years ago, a college degree was virtually a stamped ticket to a Better LIfe. Today, a degree gets you a trip to the unemployment line and 70k in debt. And much of the fault lies with asshole professors like this one. His BS lessons may resonate with the others in his campus cacoon, but it's worthless in the job market.

94 83 I hope the student is able to sue the school I don't. That only means that once again, the taxpayers pay for the stupidity and bias of others. Instead, all involved, from the "professor" to the president of the University need to be looking for new jobs. That'll get the attention of both them and any other brave, transgressive types who think this is how you demonstrate how superior you are.

But even when they are fired they soon find a happy home in some other taxpayer funder institution. They are never made to suffer for their anti-social behavior. Posted by: Decaf at March 27, 2013 12:00 PM (
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It is a resume enhancer

95 Shooting the name on the paper with a gun made out of another piece of paper would have got him fired and possibly prosecuted.

96

 the entire exercise, as constructed, is simply a coalition-unification exercise which increases In-Group Solidarity by identifying an Out-Group Other and inviting the In-Group to further debase the Out-Group, and moreover takes it one further step by demanding the identified and marginalized member of the Out-Group himself participate in and thus condone his own debasement.

 

I've been posting my ass off over there saying just this thing, but they have only published a few of them.

97

@54 - The Mormon and the Muslim alike view Jesus as the Christ and his mission as holy.

 

-------------------------------

 

Er...  no.

 

While Mormons view Jesus as the Christ and Savior of the World (and head of the church - i.e. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), Muslims merely view him as yet another prophet.

98 As I've seen suggested elsewhere, the student should have written "CHICAGO" above "JESUS" and then stomped it. Problem solved. Posted by: Ian S. at March 27, 2013 11:56 AM (B/VB5) this is brilliant

99 But even when they are fired they soon find a happy home in some other taxpayer funder institution. They are never made to suffer for their anti-social behavior.

Posted by: Decaf at March 27, 2013 12:00 PM (VD8bZ)

Exactly; how many people were fired at Duke?  Even that fuzznuts Brodhead is still in place after running roughshod over the rights of the accused and generally acting like a pandering ninny for the assholes in the faculty.  A lot of alumni are pissed off over it but they couldn't care less.

100

Should I  point out that    the enstompening of pictures, or anything for that matter, isn't something we Americans normally do?

 

In most cases, the ever-popular one-fingered salute is all  that's necessary to express our displeasure. We don't associate the bottom  of our shoes  with badness    as do some cultures.

 

Jus'  sayin'...

101
Kind of related: I see the post-racial utopia under Omarxist has arrived at Townson U.  (drudge)

102 You're absolutely correct about all the rest of it, of course. It's beyond unthinking and goes into being actively anti-thought. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at March 27, 2013 11:55 AM (VtjlW) Reminds me of something I read about a teacher leading a discussion on speech/tribalism/tolerance (the usual). A student speaks up and basically makes the point that everyone should think the same, because tolerance, and is against tribalism. So the teacher tells him that instead of wearing the hat of the baseball team he was wearing in class, he should come to the next class wearing a hat that said "baseball" on it.

103 Sean Penn should be forced to stomp on a Dixie cup. Madonna should be forced to stomp on her vibrator. Jim Carrey should be forced to stomp on a picture of himself mugging. Rosie O'Donnell on a twinkie or molton hot steel.

104 The kid should have thrown the textbook on the floor and stomped it.

105 What a screwed up world we live in. Pop tarts in a shape that could look like a gun... HORROR. stomping on Jesus... meh, just another day in America.

106 Next, they'll have a flag-burning exercise. And, Kiss Che Guevara Poster day.

107

That was from Fox. Their story was that on Fri the university said no punishment but on Monday he was expelled and had "academic charges" filed against him.


Those may have been withdrawn by now. I can't follow every news organization in the country.

 

And then after a while they'll make the student's position there untenable in many little ways until he leaves. 

108 101
Kind of related: I see the post-racial utopia under Omarxist has arrived at Townson U. (drudge)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 27, 2013 12:04 PM
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"Towson"...., and now I must go wash my hands

109 What if it had been spelled Jesús? just sayin'

110

111 96
the entire exercise, as constructed, is simply a coalition-unification exercise which increases In-Group Solidarity by identifying an Out-Group Other and inviting the In-Group to further debase the Out-Group, and moreover takes it one further step by demanding the identified and marginalized member of the Out-Group himself participate in and thus condone his own debasement.

I've been posting my ass off over there saying just this thing, but they have only published a few of them. Posted by: SGT Ted at March 27, 2013 12:02 PM
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I am stealing that....

112 104 The kid should have thrown the textbook on the floor and stomped it. Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 27, 2013 12:04 PM (wrS2o) _____________________ Like it. Although I'm trying to think what a college prof would really give a damn about. Maybe the kid could have reached into the prof's wallet grabbed teacher's union card and stomped on that. Or, a Bob Dylan album.

113

I'm a Christian. How come no one cares if I'm offended?

 

This shit has all kinds of "Deny your god, or die." to it.

 

I'm not going to worship Caesar, bitches. Bring on the lions.

114 I wish this piece had wider coverage. Like, everywhere.

115 As usual ace, you are analyzing things in 3D (that's a compliment, by the way). I just saw it as some professor being a massive tool.

116 103 Sean Penn should be forced to stomp on a Dixie cup.

Madonna should be forced to stomp on her vibrator.

Jim Carrey should be forced to stomp on a picture of himself mugging.

Rosie O'Donnell on a twinkie or molton hot steel. Posted by: tasker at March 27, 2013 12:04 PM
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Obama on the Constitution..., oh,wait...

117
They should change the name to Townson to please me.

118 As per Ace's reasoning, there seems to be the makings of a first class lawsuit here against the university. Esp. as I'm sure their speech/behavior codes include the usual stuff about making someone feel uncomfortable, isolated, etc, etc. Also, depending on FL's constitution free speech/freedom of religion violations. A big payday for that student would be nice as incentive for other conservative students to stop hiding beliefs and use the left's own speech codes against them.

119 Licking it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at March 27, 2013 12:00 PM (VtjlW)

*ahem*

120

Uh.... if Seperation of Church State means the Government and schools cannot be pro religion...

 

How can the then be ANTI one Religion?

121 117
They should change the name to Townson to please me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 27, 2013 12:09 PM
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You are better off being unassociated.

122 The answer is to unify 'Us' so as to defeat 'Them', or 'Us', or something. It all seemed rather silly to me at the time, still does. -------------- Actual the purpose behind this is to change the Us to be Progressives and their allies and the Them to be those that oppose Progressives. See once you destroy those that oppose Us the we are all unified. Those damn Tea Party types keep us divided. Destroy those pointing out the violence of Islam and Occutards!

123 Maybe the prof's "prescription" --burn that because it is "de rien".

124 FIRE is going to have a field day with this, Strangely, their site is entirely silent on that point...

125 Actually, you shouldn't stomp on it, no matter what it is; even the Yankees pennant. He who shows no honor for his enemies will receive no honor in return.

126 Dude! nice one. Made the brain move a little this morning without coffee...nice work. Keep it up Ace!

127 Accountability would be a nice thing for once. This "professor" should be given a fair hearing and then hung

128

Rotelas is back in class, but with a different instructor. He claimed "victory" Tuesday on his Facebook page once the university decided he wouldn't be punished. 

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He can claim it until he gets his grade

129

@120

 

The idea of seperation of church and state has been inverted. Usually we think of the church co-opting the state.

 

What really bothered the founders was the idea of the state co-opting the church. You have to remember that the founding generation were mostly Anglicans and the head of the Anglican church was the king of England so that rebellion also meant ex-communication and a trip to hell. It was a political tool they wanted to keep the government from using for the purpose of tyranny.

130

I'm not going to worship Caesar, bitches. Bring on the lions.

 

We are watching them teach our children to be the beasts that will tear us to pieces. 

131 113 Ook,

I am not mocking you Ook the problem is that on a micro level I agree with you, but this disparate treatment bullshit is done with Tax dollars.

The Pretty pony "Islam" is getting a lot of deference no other faith gets....that's a timebomb.

132 I'd like to see this prof stomp on a piece of paper with "affirmative action" written on it.  Because you know his head would explode.

133 Strangely, their site is entirely silent on that point...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at March 27, 2013 12:12 PM (fMiHM)

 

 

The Forbes article is by the FIRE guy.  I think he's taken to writing in media outlets rather than putting everything on the site to increase visibility.

134

"Rotelas is back in class, but with a different instructor. He claimed "victory" Tuesday on his Facebook page once the university decided he wouldn't be punished. 

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Wait, they need multiple classes for this BS class?

135 130 Decaf,

Yup...Caesar is stealing the kids....

I think it is time for us to ghettoize ourselves since the donks really want that.

136 If those evil white, male, Christians hadn't set up this tolerant system, we gay, feminist, atheists would be free to do anything we wanted in a Muslim sharia state or Communist meritocracy.

137 ::: 5 Bravo, Ace. Truly lucid deconstruction of what went on here. ::: agreed!

138 alexthechick is right. The point of this exercise is to illustrate the power of words through the involuntary hesitation the actors should feel when ordered to stomp on the paper. Which is exactly the moment the prof should have pointed this out to the class, made his point, then moved on. The student could have written Mohammed, Obobo, or whatever else he valued and it would have served the same point.

139 Ace, Why is it that you're willing to invoke concepts like good and evil, when you openly claim atheism and are very dubious about natural law? And why is it that the forces and ideologies that are all employing evil all seem to align, and select as their singular target Christisnity? Why is this so absurd and vile? They're just seizing power from those too weak to hold on to it. The only way your value judgements approach logical coherence is if there is some metaphysical standard. Some objective sort of moral order. Otherwise might makes right. The split. It's theological. The leftists believe not only that there is no morality (and thus they may do as they please), but additionally that there are no rights. At long last Ace, where do you stand? Is your objection one of principle, or just one of preference, because your (our) side is losing? And if it's the second, why not join their side since it's winning? If you're not careful your thinking critically on these issues is going to lead you to Catholicism. Romans has a discourse on this very topic, btw.

140

These folks don't learn any of these Very Important Lessons from these actions. In fact, they learn the opposite lesson, don't they? While the Christian is arguably learning to "not be so tribal in outlook," or something, the other groups are learning the power of tribalism.  

You're on a roll, Ace.  Keep at 'em!

141 134
"Rotelas is back in class, but with a different instructor. He claimed "victory" Tuesday on his Facebook page once the university decided he wouldn't be punished.
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Wait, they need multiple classes for this BS class?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 27, 2013 12:14 PM
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Perhaps required 'core curriculum'?

142

135, I concur with you, Sven, and Decaf.  Great ideas Ace.  I enjoyed your thoughtful input.

143 What is there to explain? Stomp on the child-rapist, and practioners of the religion of peace will riot and kill people, as well as target the people who offended for death. Stomp on Jesus? Christians will complain, but won't receive coverage. Then they go have potluck.

144 Go into teacher's little office and burn teacher's diploma from Berkeley because you've learned the lesson that it's just meaningless words on paper.

145 "These folks don't learn any of these Very Important Lessons from these actions. In fact, they learn the opposite lesson, don't they? While the Christian is arguably learning to "not be so tribal in outlook," or something, the other groups are learning the power of tribalism." Actually the Christians are off buying ARs because they've been to this rodeo before.

146

Actual the purpose behind this is to change the Us to be Progressives and their allies and the Them to be those that oppose Progressives.

 

Nail. Head.

 

It's the subtle,  always-assumed posture of the Leftards. They have declared   War against America on all fronts, and we must push back on all fronts,  be it in school or   at  work, in the opinion pages, wherever they attack.

 

It's sad that we are being forced to defend our way of life constantly in our own country, but it is what it is. They started it, we must finish it.

147 "But the truth is that it is only by believing in God that we can ever criticise the Government. Once abolish the God, and the Government becomes the God. The fact is written all across human history; but it is written more plainly across that recent history of Russia; which was created by Lenin. There the Government is the God, and all the more the God, because it proclaims aloud in accents of thunder, like every other God worth worshipping, the one essential commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

...The truth is that Irreligion is the opium of the people. Wherever the people do not believe in something beyond the world, they will worship the world. But, above all, they will worship the strongest thing in the world. And, by the very nature of the Bolshevist and many other modern systems, as well as by the practical working of almost any system, the State will be strongest thing in the world. The whole tendency of men is to treat the solitary State as the solitary standard. That men may protest against law, it is necessary that they should believe in justice; that they may believe in justice beyond law, it is necessary that they should believe in a justice beyond the land of living men. You can impose the rule of the Bolshevist as you can impose the rule of the Bourbons; but it is equally an imposition. You can even make its subjects contented, as opium would make them contented. But if you are to have anything like divine discontent, then it must really be divine. Anything that really comes from below must really come from above."

- G.K. Chesterton (Christendom in Dublin 1932)

148 Muslims merely view [`Isa al-Masih] as yet another prophet.

The Qur'an does make that argument that he is a human Prophet, yes.

But the Qur'an also concedes the Virgin Birth, all the miracles, and Jesus's return on the Last Day. This last theme is strongest in the Syrian apocalyptic hadith.

My point was that no Muslim would step on Jesus's name, especially since Muslims aren't allowed to draw portraits of the Prophets - Jesus's name is all they have.

149 I've got nothing to add.  Only that when you're on, Ace, you slice like a f'n hammer.  This is one of those posts.

150 Stomping  Lauraw  with a Jesus  st0mping post.

How meta.  Or something.

151 *adds Jello and celery to grocery list* Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 27, 2013 11:44 AM (/kI1Q)

Don't forget the shredded carrots!

152 Fifty years ago, a college degree was virtually a stamped ticket to a Better LIfe. Today, a degree gets you a trip to the unemployment line and 70k in debt. And much of the fault lies with asshole professors like this one. His BS lessons may resonate with the others in his campus cacoon, but it's worthless in the job market.

***

Yeah, today all to often a degree especially from an Ivy League school leaves one less capable of functioning in society or understanding how the world works than he was before he enrolled.

153 I coulda put Ivan De Jesus. We never should have given away Ryne Sandberg for him.

154 Posted by: Strife at March 27, 2013 12:18 PM (z3Lez)

That is a marvelous quote.  o.O I do not believe I have ever read that before.

155

Why is it that you're willing to invoke concepts like good and evil, when you openly claim atheism and are very dubious about natural law?

 

Atheism does not  deny the concepts of good and evil, only the existence of God.

156 Wait, they need multiple classes for this BS class?

This seems like the sort of class one takes to fulfill the "global studies" or "cultural sensitivity" or WhateverTheFuckTheyCallItThisYear requirement.  6-9 credit hours, if you want a diploma.

I'm not understanding the class-participation thingy, though. Twenty years ago I took "History of World Religions"--six major ones, so it was a shallow survey--and we read a lot of texts and watched some recordings of ceremonies, but we weren't required to pray or fast or make offerings.  It was assumed we could understand the material without play-acting it.

Have we really been dumbed that far down in a generation?

157 Burn the prof's teaching license. After alll you will be freeing him from bowing down to "Da Man!"

158 Nobody f**ks with da Jesus.

159

The real poison at Towson and other very expensive indoctrination camps: 

Just two of the extremely liberal staff members: 

Elyshia Aseltine joined the Department of Sociology, Anthropology, and Criminal Justice in Fall 2012. She graduated with her Ph.D. in Sociology from the University of Texas at Austin. Her teaching and research focus on crime/law/deviance, criminal justice, and race/ethnicity in the US and Africa.

Elizabeth Clifford joined the Dept. of Sociology, Anthropology, and Criminal Justice at Towson in 2000, and is now department chair. Her research interests are immigration, gender, inequality, race and ethnicity, and pedagogy. Her co-authored book, Immigration and Women: Understanding the American Experience was published by New York University Press in Spring 2011.

160 88Let's have "Everyone Stomp on a Pic of Mohammed Day." Remember how well the "Everyone Draw Mohammed Day" worked out?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 27, 2013 12:01 PM (lVPtV)

 

 

 

Uhhh, remember a certain reverend that tried to have a burn a koran day?

161 14 First the lawyers, then the college profs. Posted by: garrett at March 27, 2013 11:43 AM (srueX) Where do you think Lawyers come form? We have to poison the roots, to kill the tree.

162 "We are in the century of constant sacrifice by the normal to the abnormal" --Chesterton

163 You wanna get this type of critical / post-modern a-go-go crap to go away?

Tell each of the parents that their children's future employment value drops with each one of these classes.

At some point international corporations are going to look at these indoctrination exercises with a very jaundiced eye if they haven't already.

"Hmm, hire the Chinese kid who has been hitting the physical science classes like a madman, or the Gender Queer Tribal Ethnology major from UFU?"

164 While Mormons view Jesus as the Christ and Savior of the World (and head of the church - i.e. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), Muslims merely view him as yet another prophet.

***

And a prophet who will publicly acknowledge his inferiority to Muhammad in the final days and will help kill the Jews.

165 Yet another post by Ace proving he is the best writer and thinker on all the internets.  Absolutely brilliant.

166 I'm outa here for today

167

A better lesson would have been to give a A+ to anyone who didn't do any stomping.

The lesson being to not be a sheep and meekly do as the State commands.

168 You have to remember that the founding generation were mostly Anglicans and the head of the Anglican church was the king of England so that rebellion also meant ex-communication

Not true. The pilgrims were Calvinists.  The Delaware valley types were Quakers.  The backcountry folks were mostly Presbyterian.  Only the planter colonies were primarily Anglican.

169 Indoctrinate U. You'll be like us, or you'll be against us. Your choice. Some 1984 nonsense here

170 Choo-choo Rick Scott of the Medicare expansion cave is a conservative? This is big news!

171 What exactly is the religion of Professor Asshole anyway? I ask because walking on something is specifically a sign of disrespect in the Muslim world and they do shit like make plazas designed to look like Bush 41 to show that disrespect.

172 "His BS lessons may resonate with the others in his campus cacoon, but it's worthless in the job market." Oddly, this incident and its resolution have provided his students with more "education" then they were to have ever received from his bs syllabus.

173 This is a good piece of writing from a thinking man.


Thanks Ace.

174 That is a marvelous quote. o.O I do not believe I have ever read that before. Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 27, 2013 12:19 PM (GpMdZ)

I commend to you the book The Size of Chesterton's Catholicism.

It's chock-a-clock full of quotes like that.

175 I'm not understanding the class-participation thingy, though. Twenty years ago I took "History of World Religions"--six major ones, so it was a shallow survey--and we read a lot of texts and watched some recordings of ceremonies, but we weren't required to pray or fast or make offerings. It was assumed we could understand the material without play-acting it.

Have we really been dumbed that far down in a generation?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 27, 2013 12:20 PM (/kI1Q)

13 years ago. Religions of the World. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism and Confucianism. Worthless. But required.

176 155 Why is it that you're willing to invoke concepts like good and evil, when you openly claim atheism and are very dubious about natural law?

Atheism does not denythe concepts of good and evil, only the existence of God. Posted by: Decaf at March 27, 2013 12:19 PM
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True, and it is thus fairly benign, however, morality is reduced to 'personal morality', which is to say no morality at all

177 What Jefferson was saying was, Hey! You know, we left this England place 'cause it was bogus; so if we don't get some cool rules ourselves - pronto - we'll just be bogus too! Get it?

178 I would disagree with the whole exercise to begin with, as it is Nominalist at best, simply anti-theist at worst. While it is possible to assign meaning to symbols that does not inhere them, for instance when we alone have a bad experience with something we may, in our mind, create a link that doesn't exist except for us; it's not there in the symbol, is just in our heads.

But it doesn't logically follow that this is a property of reality, and the majority of humanity for all time has not assumed this to be so. Just because you can create connections to symbols that are entirely mental, doesn't mean that symbols don't have actual connections regardless of what you think about them.

Humanity's belief in magic has a lot to do with this uncertainty; the uncertainty of the connection of symbols to realities makes the superstitious search for them in hopes of controlling them. The way around this is not to deny this connection, but to note that it is external to man and his power; if a word only means what I assert it to mean, the connection is only mental, then what prevents me from changing the meaning of the whole language? Nominalism, as an attempt to escape 'magical thinking' actually paves the way for brainwashing.

179

You make the point I was thinking of in your last paragraph.  It's like a "Lord of the Flies" type scenario, where there is no adult supervision, so these  people become savages in their actions, since there is no one to stop them.

 

 

180
Oh man, just listening to Carolla on Dennis Miller, hilarious.

181 Critical Thinking?  Not taught here, Christianists!

(kudos to Dennis Prager for the nic  h/t insty)

182 @ 145 - "Actually the Christians are off buying ARs because they've been to this rodeo before." - Bingo!

183

88Let's have "Everyone Stomp on a Pic of Mohammed Day." Remember how well the "Everyone Draw Mohammed Day" worked out?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 27, 2013 12:01 PM (lVPtV)Uhhh, remember a certain reverend that tried to have a burn a koran day?

 

This speaks to the muslims' notion of the weak and strong horse.  Evidently lefties have the same belief.  They know whom to humilite and there will be no reprisals, to them Christianity is the weak horse.

184 156 we read a lot of texts and watched some recordings of ceremonies, but we weren't required to pray or fast or make offerings. It was assumed we could understand the material without play-acting it. Have we really been dumbed that far down in a generation? --- They may be trying to dumb things down, but it's arguable they're trying to be intentionally subversive. They may know, for example, that reciting the call to prayers in Arabic makes you a Muslim, even if play-acting, and that renouncing said beliefs makes you an apostate subject to death.

185 145 jean,

The Crusades were a defensive action, it is why Jihadi Jim hates that the west got rifles.

//Shit nobody in academia admits about the Crusades.

186 I don't know where I'd get political and cultural commentary if it weren't from here. Damn Ace. You're good.

187 So burn a Koran and the President and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs get involved. Spit on Jesus and Christians, no never mind?

188 I think the Professor exhibits Sadistic Personality Disorder. Sadism does not always involve the use of physical aggression or violence. More often, sadistic individuals express aggressive social behaviors and enjoy publicly humiliating others in order to achieve a sense of power over them.

189 ::::Yet another post by Ace proving he is the best writer and thinker on all the internets. Absolutely brilliant.

Posted by: Jesusland at March 27, 2013 12:21 PM (jIlzK) ::::

 

I agree.  And he could make a  good living about it, if he would stop being such a pussy  about  trying to make money.

190 that renouncing said beliefs makes you an apostate subject to death. What does calling in CAS on mosques get you?

191 "It's so goddamned stupid and evil in that lazy, casual, thoughtlessly dumb way in which most evil is committed."

Maybe it's more thought behind evil than you want to accept.

192 I answered below but I'll repeat here. Licking it. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at March 27, 2013 12:00 PM (VtjlW)

I read that totally out of context.  

And I categorically refuse to scroll up any further in order to get the context.

I'll be in my bunk.

193 As usual ace, you are analyzing things in 3D 4D

194 One reason Christians will have a hard time standing on the name of Jesus is that it could be interpreted as denying one's faith.  Christians and Jews are not supposed to publicly deny their faith.  Instead Jews are supposed to pronounce their faith like Daniel when he got tossed into a lion's den for it.  Christians are supposed to proclaim their faith and "bear their cross."  My understanding is that Muslims are allowed to lie for their faith under taqiyah.

195 The American University System -- where we open minds by imposing the most restrictive speech codes we can get away with! Come have your assumptions challenged you white, Christian, right wing heteronormative fuckwagon!

196 Although I'm trying to think what a college prof would really give a damn about. Tenure.

197 171 What exactly is the religion of Professor Asshole anyway? _____________________ Global Warming and/or "Passionate" Liberal.

198 Buzzsaw, The class is likely a required course. Only a fraction of colleges now require historyz, economics, etc. Degrees now consist entirely of courses like this.

199 185, I know. Till Edessa is free. ( Jean is for Jean Parisot De La Valette, based on my old LGF delavalette handle, before getting purged)

200 I remember reading articles about college Young Republicans being threatened with expulsion after stepping on the Hamas flag, since it has "Allah" written on it.

201 I'm outa here for today

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2013 12:21 PM (53z96)

 

Me too.  See you on the morning thread.

202 ::: I agree. And he could make a good living about it, if he would stop being such a pussy about trying to make money. ::: T SHIRTS!!

203 Just because you can create connections to symbols that are entirely mental, doesn't mean that symbols don't have actual connections regardless of what you think about them. Posted by: RiverC at March 27, 2013 12:23 PM (El+h4)

I see your noumenon and I raise you a phenomenon

204 196 Although I'm trying to think what a college prof would really give a damn about. Tenure. Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2013 12:28 PM (GFM2b) _________________ Damn it! That's like a super power though--kryptonite cannot even stomp on it.

205 Yep, the worst thing about the Crusades was that they failed.

206

What does calling in CAS on mosques get you?<<<<

 

A boner?

207 Rotelas is back in class, but with a different instructor. He claimed "victory" Tuesday on his Facebook page once the university decided he wouldn't be punished. --- He can claim it until he gets his grade Posted by: different instructor at March 27, 2013 12:13 PM (SO2Q Sounds like this kid is a glutton for punishment. What exactly is his major, and why does he want to study at what must be a truly crappy school? What are his career goals? Now if the course in question is one of those wretched mandatory-obligatory "arts" electives that science and engineering students get saddled with, I can see his being switched instructors as a win, sort of. Me, I took introductory languages as my mandatory-obligatory artsy-fartsy courses. Maybe they are more work, but you may actually learn something useful, and there is a lot less political BS slung at you.

208
"Rotelas is back in class, but with a different instructor. He
claimed "victory" Tuesday on his Facebook page once the university
decided he wouldn't be punished.
---
Wait, they need multiple classes for this BS class?


Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 27, 2013 12:14 PM
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Perhaps required 'core curriculum'?

***

It's almost as if they given up their focus on education and instead have taken up brain washing.

209 And a prophet who will publicly acknowledge his inferiority to Muhammad in the final days and will help kill the Jews.

We're getting a little far off the beaten track here, but yeah, I can expand on that.

Jesus is supposed to abolish jizya. That means he's abolishing the dhimmat. Jews and Christians will no longer be under God's protection. Under Jesus's reign, any observant Jews and Christians will be hunted down and killed. The observant Jews are supposed to be joining the Dajjal - antichrist - so that's where Jesus will find many of them.

As for Jesus acknowledging inferiority to Muhammad, this doesn't happen directly. On the Last Day there's a question about whether Jesus will pray in front of, or behind, the Mahdi. The Shia are sure that Jesus is subservient to the Mahdi. If he's behind the Mahdi then he's definitely behind the Prophet. But the Sunnis aren't so sure. And the Sufi hadiths tend to elevate Jesus over Muhammad.

210 4D

Posted by: qualia

 

11D!

211 Vengeance is Mine. I shall repay, saith the Lord. Romans 12: 19-21. Pity the fools who are about to learn the hard way how terribly fair the Almighty is.

212 205 Flatbush Joe,

They failed...partially.  They are about to fail permanently.  The New Texas Republic needs to housebreak the college class.

213 Yeah, not to pile on, but this is damn good.

214

It's almost as if they given up their focus on education and instead have taken up brain washing.

 

Methinks it's no coincidence that this began just around the time that Little Billy Ayers decided to become an "educator."

215 Yep, the worst thing about the Crusades was that they failed. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2013 12:30 PM (ZPrif) yeah but to be fair, at the time of the Crusades ya couldn't find a decent Hotel anywhere in Israel

216 Fun religious fact of the day -- Muhammad was a slave-trader in the trans-Saharan slave trade. Yep, Mo-Mo bought and sold black people. Child-rapist, slave-trader, all around good guy Muhammad.

217 Traditional academia: Question everything. The new Academia: Never question the new Academia.

218

Interesting that Hot Air/Morrissey spent his post dissecting the various free speech issues while Ace focused on the broader view of tribalism and how it is, and isn't, addressed.

 

I like the broader  question. Well-paid lawyers  will hash out the narrow legal stuff.

219 Worthless. But required.

The class I took wasn't worthless at all, but that was before "college education" became a synonym for "job training."  *shrug*

220 - G.K. Chesterton (Christendom in Dublin 1932)

Posted by: Strife at March 27, 2013 12:18 PM (z3Lez)

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I love that man.

221 #209  Do you really think Jesus said he'd do those things before Muhammad lived?  If Jesus is a prophet then why is his proclamation of being the son of God ignored?

222 This professor probably had visions of students standing on their desk at the end of the semester shouting, "Captain my Captain". Because he's so cool.

223 What does calling in CAS on mosques get you?

I can always use the excuse they had at Mazar-e-Sharif....

"Hey, sorry.  I forgot to recalibrate after I changed the batteries in the AN/PED-1"

That should save me a court-martial, right?

224 218 CJ,

poppin'fresh is in on the gag.....

his only problem with hard socialism is the price tag...

he's MN nice bud.

225 Isn't tenure for teachers in publicly financed colleges a stupid thing? 

226 208
"Rotelas is back in class, but with a different instructor. He

claimed "victory" Tuesday on his Facebook page once the university

decided he wouldn't be punished.
---
Wait, they need multiple classes for this BS class?




Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 27, 2013 12:14 PM
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Perhaps required 'core curriculum'?

***

It's almost as if they given up their focus on education and instead have taken up brain washing.

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'Almost'?

227 @163--exactly. As a Hunan Resources manager (so what's it to ya!), if I were to receive a resume indicating a degree from FAU, I would, well, not give it the 6 seconds of attention I normally do. Anyone who would willingly attend such a university inherently lacks fundamental critical thinking skills. Hopefully students realize that the public actions of professors will hurt their employment prospects.

228

Child-rapist, slave-trader, all around good guy Muhammad.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2013 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

 

You left out "galloping schizophrenic."

229 Ace, The student who objected in this story was actually a Muslim. I think it's worth mentioning. No one reporting this story today is mentioning it though.

230 Flatbush, worst part was that they weakened Byzantium. Sustaining Jerusalem would have been difficult in any scenario, but the West could have held the straits and any number of coastal enclaves forever. After the restoration of the Iberian peninsula, Jerusalem could have been taken at anytime (as could have Mecca/Medina).

231 227 Hunan Resources Yum!

232 Jews and Christians will no longer be under God's protection. Under Jesus's reign, any observant Jews and Christians will be hunted down and killed. They had better pack a lunch & pin next of kin notification on their clothing.

233 Here ya go.  From FAU's website, "Professor" Poole teaches "intercultural communication, leadership communication, political communication."

http://www.fau.edu/scms/poole.php

234 Sorry, My mistake. I read Mormon as Muslim.

235 228

Child-rapist, slave-trader, all around good guy Muhammad.Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2013 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

You left out "galloping schizophrenic." Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 27, 2013 12:34 PM
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Yeah, well..., there was something prophetic about traveling on a flying donkey

236 229 supercore23,

the class was being done the wy it was in deference to 'him"...mention it....

then let's go over what the "nuts as shit but logical" conclusion is....

You know Xians and Muslims have qa lot more in common than either does with asshole liberal.

237 185 145 jean,

The Crusades were a defensive action, it is why Jihadi Jim hates that the west got rifles.

//Shit nobody in academia admits about the Crusades.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 27, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)

----------------

“…but out of the desert, from the dry places and the dreadful suns, come the cruel children of the lonely God; the real Unitarians who with scimitar in hand have laid waste the world. For it is not well for God to be alone.”

–  G.K.Chesterton on Islam (The Romance of Orthodoxy, Orthodoxy

238 229 Ace, The student who objected in this story was actually a Muslim. I think it's worth mentioning. No one reporting this story today is mentioning it though.

Posted by: supercore23 at March 27, 2013 12:35 PM (bwV72)

Mormon...not Muslim.

239 Are the students at this university doing any kind of protest?

240 Hey the supercore idiot is back , Muslim - Morman Same thing

241

Flatbush, worst part was that they weakened Byzantium. Sustaining Jerusalem would have been difficult in any scenario, but the West could have held the straits and any number of coastal enclaves forever. After the restoration of the Iberian peninsula, Jerusalem could have been taken at anytime (as could have Mecca/Medina).

 

Fucking CINOs.

242 Beautiful! Best read anywhere 2013.

243 See the sock link:
[...] And this is the perfect place to comment on the “stomping on Jesus” “controversy.”

Everybody is wrong about that, except me.

Read the original exercise carefully.

ItÂ’s about (crudely, I admit) getting students to confront their own inhibitions and taboos.

It’s — to put it crassly — a conversation starter.

If performed correctly, anyone who balks at stomping on the paper with “Jesus” on it is encouraged to talk about why they can’t do it — not get punished.

(I suspect the person who invented the exercise many years ago assumed most students would balk, because America was more (nominally) Christian at the time.

(That’s not a contradiction, btw: I mean America is “nominally Christian” now; but was even more “nominally Christian” then…)

The instructor in this recent instance, in other words, completely missed the point of the exercise.

As did almost everybody on the right who is commenting on it.

I also think Christians should be heartened by all this because it would seem to prove something millions of them believe:

That the word “Jesus” alone carries tremendous power, be it to heal — or infuriate and confound the wicked.

244 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me."




- some itinerant Jewish rabbi

245 Greetings: I grew up in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s. Back there and then, there was a folk-tradition that was used when someone wanted you to do something you really, really didn't want to do. It was usually verbalized as something like this. "Fine you kick my ass, and I stomp on your paper." It tended to add a new perspective to the interpersonal communication.

246 Sorry, My mistake. I read Mormon as Muslim. Posted by: supercore23 at March 27, 2013 12:36 PM (bwV72) No problem, Home Land Security and the TSA does that all the time

247 239
Are the students at this university doing any kind of protest?
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 27, 2013 12:36 PM
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Likely the kid will be shunned..., oh, wait..., that isn't what you mean..

248 240 jean,

Muslim, mormon...whatever it takes...

//Mr Mom

the class structure was done in deference to islam in not having the exercise be "write down the most important thing to you" now stomp on it...

249 I'm beginning to think my year in Kindergarten would be worth 3 years of college credit now.

250

So thankful every day that my son is a Music major at a Christian college.  He doesn't have to put up with any bullshit classes like this.  In fact, his general ed classes have made him more conservative - his sociology class watched "Waiting for Superman"  last year and he is now a radical education reform supporter.  They studied genocide and now he is protesting US policy toward Syria.   And there isn't any ideology in music. 

 

BTW, his college has doubled in size in the last 10 years.  Families are moving toward smaller Christian-focused colleges like this one to keep their kids away from the Marxist propaganda and useless classes.

251 Yup, I misread. My bad guys.

252 Another fun religious fact: The Nation of Islam (the heretical black nationalist muslim sect) believes that white people are a race of demon-creatures created in genetic breeding experiments by an evil black scientist name Yakob 6000 years ago. Crazy, but true. It's also what Malcolm X (who's picture is on every middle school hallway in America, right next to MLK) believed, taught, and preached. Malcolm X did have a late in life conversion from believing all white people are inherently evil to all non-muslims are inherently evil. That's when he went to Mecca and realized the NoI was a heretical sect (NoI believes Muhammad was not the last prophet -- kinda a big part of Islam to reject.)

253

Hey the supercore idiot is back , Muslim - Morman Same thing

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them polygamists all look the same

254 I'm surprised MalcomX didn't come back with his head in a basket

255 #244 mama winger, good quote.  Rickb, here for some trolling fun?  Muhammad was a lying, illiterate pedophile.

256 I was going to make a magic carpet /magic underwear joke but I'm not going to.

257 243 AndyCanuck,

Correct as I said in mocking Supercore the "whole exercise is in deference to 'him'..."


'him" being everyone...the problem is the exercise mutated into 'stomp on jesus"....

1) write down the most important thing to YOU

2) stomp on it

is a a very different lesson than

1) write down the most important thing to HIM

2) stomp on it

1 teaches self analysis and introspection and ideally speaks to deference and restraint

2 teaches 'don't be the outsider'

258 After the restoration of the Iberian peninsula, Jerusalem could have been taken at anytime (as could have Mecca/Medina). There's a point of irony--had they held, all those Iberians with no place to go might have gone East to the Holy Lands, instead of West to the Americas. Makes one wonder...

259 Do you really think Jesus saidhe'd do those things before Muhammad lived?

Of course not. The idea that Jesus would promise to kill his own people is absurd.

I was talking about the logic of apocalyptic circles. If the Jewish Messiah is here, then, yeah, if it's Jesus or Nehemiah bar Hoshiel or Bar Kosiba or freakin' Shabtai Sevi he's going to have a problem with the Jews who don't believe. Islam comes out of these circles.

If Jesus is a prophet then why is his proclamation of being the son of God ignored?

Because fuck you, says the Muslim. Islam has its own scriptures and treats the older ones with varying degrees of contempt.

260

224 sven,

 

Morrissey's take is probably similar to that of most conservative bloggers:   Jump  right into the  weeds and tussle over 'rights.' Which simply means the university hires a slightly more expensive lawyer to help it follow the  letter of the  law, and nothing else changes.

261

Yup, I misread. My bad guys.

 

Premature Commentation.

262 //Shit nobody in academia admits about the Crusades. Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 27, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds) Sure they do. After, they fixed the history.

263 It’s about (crudely, I admit) getting students to confront their own inhibitions and taboos. It’s — to put it crassly — a conversation starter. Why Do people Pay tuition money For this?

264 "The Crusade was a religious movement, but it was also a perfectly rational movement; one might almost say a rationalist movement. I could quite understand Mr. Pound saying that such a campaign for a creed was immoral; and indeed it often has been, and now perhaps generally is, quite horribly immoral. But when he implies that it is irrational he has selected exactly the thing which it is not. It is not enlightenment, on the contrary it is ignorance and insularity, which causes most of us to miss this fact. But it certainly is the fact that religious war is in itself much more rational than patriotic way. I for one have often defended and even encouraged patriotic war, and should always be ready to defend and encourage patriotic passion. But it cannot be denied that there is more of mere passion, of mere preference and prejudice, in short of mere personal accident, in fighting another nation than in fighting another faith. The Crusader is in every sense more rational than the modern conscript or professional soldier. He is more rational in his object, which is the intelligent and intelligible object of conversion; where the modern militarist has an object much more confused by momentary vanity and one-sided satisfaction. The Crusader wished to make Jerusalem a Christian town; but the Englishman does not wish to make Berlin an English town. He has only a healthy hatred of it as a Prussian town. The Moslem wished to make the Christian a Moslem; but even the Prussian did not wish to make the Frenchman a Prussian. He only wished to make the Frenchman admire a Prussian; and not only were the means he adopted somewhat ill-considered for this purpose, but the purpose itself is looser and more irrational. The object of all war is peace; but the object of religious war is mental as well as material peace; it is agreement. In short religious war aims ultimately at equality, where national war aims relatively at superiority. Conversion is the one sort of conquest in which the conquered must rejoice."

- G.K.Chesterton (The New Jerusalem 1920)

265 "write down the most important thing to you" now stomp on it...

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I am not stomping on a picture of Kate Upton's boobs!

266 The teacher is currently writing a book: Obamamania: The Rise of a Mythical Hero Is it necessary to say anything else about this colossal douche?

267 260 CJ,

correct...Ed is like the cops in reno 911 in the foxworthy episode that was a send up of Smokey and the bandit...

stuck playing 'the game"...

well I want to change the game.

268 265 "write down the most important thing to you" now stomp on
it...

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I am not stomping on a picture of Kate Upton's boobs!
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2013 12:44 PM
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Well, OK.., there you have it. Principle.

269 I am not stomping on a picture of Kate Upton's boobs! Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2013 12:44 PM (XUKZU)

How about Kathy Griffin's crotch?

270 265 WalrusRex,

YOU NEED TO STOMP ON THEM BOOBS FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE WR now get to it...

//Dork prof

271

I'd like to think I would refuse to renounce Christ even with a gun to my head, but (thankfully and fortunately) daily life for most of us doesn't usually offer such dramatic opportunities for demonstrations of faith. However, I find myself a little envious of the Mormon kid who was blessed with such an opportunity. No, he wasn't held at gunpoint or anything like that, but there were consequences for his witness. I'm sorry he was expelled and forced to endure all he's endured so far, but I'm guessing he is (or will be) grateful for what happened.

272 there is some shit i will not eat---- e.e. cummings

273 I'm beginning to think my year in Kindergarten would be worth 3 years of college credit now.>>

Add in the potty training you received prior to it and it's worth a 4 year degree.

274 ::: Morrissey's take is probably similar to that ofmost conservative bloggers: Jump right into the weeds and tussle over 'rights.' Which simply means the university hires a slightly more expensive lawyer to help it follow the letter of the law, and nothing else changes. ::: Agreed.

275 Did Kate Upton ruin our thread or make it better?  Better!  Thanks for clarifying boulder.

276

So, a glorified baby sitter at a glorifed community college really got Christians to challenge their beliefs by acting out his personal revenge fantasies.

Win win.

And to think, only 25% of college grads are doing jobs that are basically unskilled.

BTW, toots, I don't think any chick who excelled at the Jesus stomping class is going to get her MRS degree.  Just saying. 

277 237 185
145 jean,

The Crusades were a defensive action, it is why Jihadi Jim hates that the west got rifles.

//Shit nobody in academia admits about the Crusades.


Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 27, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)
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“…but out of the desert, from the dry places and the dreadful suns, come
the cruel children of the lonely God; the real Unitarians who with
scimitar in hand have laid waste the world. For it is not well for God
to be alone.”
– G.K.Chesterton on Islam (The Romance of Orthodoxy, Orthodoxy

Posted by: Strife at March 27, 2013 12:36 PM (z3Lez)

 

There is at least one.  Search for the article "The real history of the Crusades" by Thomas Madden.  He's a professor at St. Louis University. 

 

He's also got a good article about things you may not expect about the Spanish Inquisition

278

Another fun religious fact: The Nation of Islam (the heretical black nationalist muslim sect) believes that white people are a race of demon-creatures created in genetic breeding experiments by an evil black scientist name Yakob 6000 years ago.

 

Obama's church gave the NOI  leader a lifetime achievement award  did it not?

It sure did: http://tinyurl.com/3dmd6a 

 

I know all about media bias, but the Right's inability to properly mock this shit and the Democrats associated with it is  inexcusable.

279

sure sure, the crusades.

Woe is them.  I guess we're all equal, culturally after all.

So, can I keep my culture and ignore yours now?

280 You know what people don't pay tuition for? Oprah's book club. Please tell me how these classes are better than Oprah's book club. You don't need to pay tuition to go to Oprah's book club.

281

Ace, dude, check  this out in  the  sidebar at the link in this post:

 

Plus, Jay-Z gets called out for dissing legendary singer/songwriter Paul Anka.

282

Obama's church gave the NOI leader a lifetime achievement award did it not?
It sure did:

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How dare you, sir!

Don't you know that guilt by association is something that can only be done to conservatives.

 

 

283

271I'd like to think I would refuse to renounce Christ even with a gun to my head, but (thankfully and fortunately) daily life for most of us doesn't usually offer such dramatic opportunities for demonstrations of faith.

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I'm reading the Gulag Archipeligo and the chapter on interrogation has me certain that the State is capable of having anyone confess to anything.

 

284 The senior vice president of student affairs of FAU release a youtube apology on this.  No word on what's happening to the prof....



http://tinyurl.com/d7vgn6n

285

well I want to change the game.

 

Introducing: Ace TV  (channel 4375 on Comcast Digital)  And then the change begins.

286

Also, this whole thing stinks to me of performance reviews.  If the governor of Florida can ask a college why they're a bunch of pillow biting pinko commies, then the next step would be actually checking to make sure that the teachers are doing their jobs.

And the union thugs can't have that.  It'd be like the 1920's labor movement all over again!  Except without the strike breakers or deplorable working conditions.

or work.

287 283 Buzzsaw90,

yup and then have you thank them for killing you...

Hillary!'s special friends are my nightmare fuel

288 Yep, when Malcolm X used to call white people - "white devils" he didn't mean "I'm really angry that white people supported Slavery and Jim Crow." Nope, he called them "white devils" as in "I believe you are one of the white demon-creatures the evil black scientist Yakob created on his island laboratory thousands of years ago to take over the world and enslave the black man who is destined to rule the world again by divine right."

289 Also, can we admit that Britney Griner is clearly a man? As in, chromosomally she's a dude. That's why she won't compete in the Olympics. She can't pass the gender test.

290 Vile, indeed. FAU is a hotbed of weirdo liberals and transgenders.

291
I'm reading the Gulag Archipeligo and the chapter on interrogation has me certain that the State is capable of having anyone confess to anything.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 27, 2013 12:52 PM (SO2Q

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So far,  Pastor Saaed Abedini is holding out in Iran.  I cannot even imagine.

292
277  There is at least one. Search for the article "The real history of the Crusades" by Thomas Madden. He's a professor at St. Louis University.

He's also got a good article about things you may not expect about the Spanish Inquisition

Posted by: buzzion at March 27, 2013 12:49 PM (GULKT)

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Thanks for the references. I'll check them out.

I have never understood how the Crusaders were guilty of "attacking" Islam, when Christianity had already been in the Holy Land for 570 years BEFORE Muhammad was even born.

293

The senior vice president of student affairs of FAU release a youtube apology on this. No word on what's happening to the prof....

 

ThatÂ’s nice but I donÂ’t want an apology.  I want a comprehensive review of the THINKING BEHIND the project. I donÂ’t want to let it go with the usual ‘apology, discipline everyone move alongÂ’ schtick.

 

You can tell the media want that with how they opened the article:

 

Florida Atlantic University has apologized for a controversial classroom lesson that led critics to accuse the school of religious intolerance. But that didnÂ’t stop Gov. Rick Scott for stepping into the fray on Tuesday.

 

Two sentences in and theyÂ’ve  managed to roll their eyes  at all the fuss.  No more.  

294

Yep, when Malcolm X used to call white people - "white devils" he didn't mean "I'm really angry that white people supported Slavery and Jim Crow." Nope, he called them "white devils" as in "I believe you are one of the white demon-creatures the evil black scientist Yakob created on his island laboratory thousands of years ago to take over the world and enslave the black man who is destined to rule the world again by divine right."

 

As when rappers and other black activists  use the term "devils" (see West, Kanye), it means two different things for  two different audiences. Whites pretend it means  'racist whites' while black nationalists use it for all whites.

295 You don't need to pay tuition to go to Oprah's book club.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 27, 2013 12:49 PM (T0NGe)

You do have to like "behemoths," however (3rd photo down in linky)

http://tinyurl.com/cuf8nhe

296 That’s nice but I don’t want an apology. I want a comprehensive review of the THINKING BEHIND the project. I don’t want to let it go with the usual ‘apology, discipline everyone move along’ schtick.

You can tell the media want that with how they opened the article:

Florida Atlantic University has apologized for a controversial classroom lesson that led critics to accuse the school of religious intolerance. But that didnÂ’t stop Gov. Rick Scott for stepping into the fray on Tuesday.

Two sentences in and theyÂ’ve managed to roll their eyes at all the fuss. No more.

Posted by: CJ at March 27, 2013 12:57 PM (9KqcB)

Notice in the video where he says the 'lesson came from a professor at another university.'  

Uh...huh....so, Poole was FORCED! to use it?  I mean, WTF? 

297 Ace knocks it out of the park.

298 Thanks for the references. I'll check them out.
I have never understood how the Crusaders were guilty of "attacking" Islam, when Christianity had already been in the Holy Land for 570 years BEFORE Muhammad was even born.

Posted by: Strife at March 27, 2013 12:56 PM (z3Lez)

 

Read anything by him you can find online.  Its written in a fairly entertaining manner obviously meant to be understood by everyone and not just as scholarly work.

299 298 Buzzion,

it's a masterful work...

I had an epic takedown on kingdom of heaven I wrote...

nothing compared to that piece though.

300

speaking of smashing assumptions, do any of these pinko courses ever challenge the two basic assumptions of their existence?

Assumption 1: gimme

Assumption 2: white men suck balls, unless they're gay in which case they're better than jesus.

301 Ace, awesome post!

302 A gloriously great post.  You realize that this all applies to many other topics, including the newest dance craze, Same-Sex Marriage (rather than Opposite-Sex Marriage!). I have already donated to the Ace-a-thon, but will be giving again.  It was that good.

303 From Hot Air comments: http://is.gd/SFXDaR Despite a misleading press release from FAU, apparently the student IS being punished.

304

#StompOnMohammad

 

Simple. Easy. Eat.Me.

305 ("This isn't just about double-standards. It is about that, of course, but it isn't just about that. It's also about the bizarre assumptions encoded into the Non-Thinking among our supposed Cognitive Elite.")


“Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.”  - G.K. Chesterton

306

Notice in the video where he says the 'lesson came from a professor at another university.'

 

Exactly.  Stuff like this is common practice. If we allow it to pass with an apology and  a reprimand, they win.

307 299 298 Buzzion,

it's a masterful work...

I had an epic takedown on kingdom of heaven I wrote...

nothing compared to that piece though.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 27, 2013 01:04 PM (LRFds)

 

So did he.  http://tinyurl.com/23nknmr

308 307 Buzzion,

I read it...I used the line "Saladin? More like Alladin"

he pointed out far more anachronistic juxtaposition than I did but hey he's a pro I am just a simple layman....

guy is a genius.

309 These be the stomping times

310 Great post, Ace, since it bypassed the trap of the "free speech" angle and got to the heart of the professor's true intent.
Off to on Amazon to find "Gulag Archipelego" and "The real history of the Crusades." (Hubby's already taken care of the AR-15 and ammo situation.)
Also wondering how much of this will have changed by the time my kid is ready for university. The bubble's got to burst soon, right?

311 I also hope that a professor would understand he had crossed a line if he asked an atheist, like me, to bow down to a shrine.

He asked everyone in the class to bow down to a shrine the moment they walked through the door. 

312 Brilliant. Nicely done. It's all about the double standards. That they never think to notice.

313

One more point..Intercultural Communications Professor?

 

Once wallowing in this crap becomes your full-time job, you're going to resort to stupid  shit like this just to fill the time. All of these  niche courses  succumb to that.

314 I'm proud to discover that the dissenting student is LDS.  Hooray for you Ryan Rotela!

315 In all actuality, this student civil rights were violated. He should sue the professor, the school and the board of regents.

316 I think the students should ask the professor to piss on his own degree. 

317 This is one of your best, Ace.

318 student got suspended for threatening the instructor's boss to whom he went several days after still bitchin' about something he was asked to do, but chose not to do. This deserves less OUTRAGE then Tentgate or the Menendez underage hooker scandal

319 I know all about media bias, but the Right's inability to properly mock this shit and the Democrats associated with it is inexcusable.

Posted by: CJ at March 27, 2013 12:49 PM (9KqcB)

I've long referred to Calypso Louie's cult as Black Scientology as written by al-Rahn Hubbard.

320

student got suspended for threatening the instructor's boss to whom he went several days after still bitchin' about something he was asked to do, but chose not to do. This deserves less OUTRAGE then Tentgate or the Menendez underage hooker scandal

 

Great job seeing the little picture.

321 Lizzy, The real history of the crusades is an article so not on amazon. Check Thomas maddens wiki page to see the books he does have.

322 Brilliantly-stated. This is, in a nutshell, why I feel most "education" at traditional 4-year institutions is largely a waste of time and money. Universities no longer teach genuine critical thinking and research methods, they no longer foster true diversity, and they certainly don't guarantee a career or even a job. When companies fail to deliver on their promises, they're sued or worse. Why is it that places like Harvard are exempt?

323 I laughed hardest when Juan Williams defended forcing students to follow rote orders verbatim regardless of their opinions or beliefs as an exercise in "critical thinking". Seriously, that's how he defends this situation; he believes forcing a student to do something while following orders is teaching them "critical thinking". I'm guessing he might not have "critical thinking" skills beyond that himself.

324 323 gekkobear,

Eric Holder was a domestic terrorist....he runs the FBI...Barack borrowed sugar quote unquote from Billy Ayers...

The M-1917 Trench knife is a great invention

325 I see nothing wrong with what this professor did.  The real crime was the   student being a snitch.   

326

When does the esteemed professor Skip Gates chime in on this?

327 Ace: "But does a Muslim learn that lesson from stomping on the name Jesus? No." Not so quick. You might notice that Muslims never call him Jesus Christ. But any proper Muslim will always say "Jesus, blessed be his name". If they say the name Jesus five times in a paragraph, they also say "blessed be his name" five times as well. This is especially true with Islamic scholars and imams. Jesus is a fairly major semi-prophet to Muslims so don't be too sure that Muslims would stomp that paper. Recall their fetish over books and writings with the Koran or holy scripture or content. The story might have been quite different if there had been a devout Muslim in the classroom.

328 I hate to admit it, but I graduated from that school some 40+ years ago. It must have started precipitously downhill the year after I left. I would not send my poor dog there today. It wasn't just the teacher involved in this foolishness - it was the entire administration! Until the public's common sense embarrassed them. But the culture remains. They'll probably have students sign some sort of gag order before being admitted to such classes. Fascinating how promoting "tolerance" can be so intolerant.