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June 16, 2013

Gun Thread - Father's Day Edition
— andy

I'm going to drop the usual format today and dedicate the thread to my dad, who taught me how to shoot. I'm fortunate to still have him around, and sending lead downrange a couple of months ago when I went turkey hunting with him was really a reminder of all the fun we've had out in the field and on the range.

The first gun I ever shot, if I recall correctly, was his Ruger MK I, .22 auto. Many, many guns and chamberings have been passed between us since. We learned reloading together and spent countless hours tinkering with different bullets and powder charges to wring every ounce of accuracy out of all our gun/cartridge combinations.

My love for the M1911 ... came from dad. The Remington Models 700 & 870. Ditto.

Shooting his M1 Garand a few weeks ago in Georgia finally prompted me to get off my ass and order one from CMP myself.

My two favorite memories of shooting with my dad are probably the following, although it's a crowded field.

First, there was the time he shot a golf ball in midair with his 4" S&W Model 25-5 in .45 Long Colt. My role: thrower of said ball. Now, he missed it a few times too and grazed it once, but when he finally centered it, that thing took off like a rocket. We were able to find it, and if I looked hard enough around his house, I'm sure it's still around somewhere. Hitting that target stationary isn't easy; hitting it in the air ... damned impressive. The man can shoot.

The other top memory is back from when he was the sniper on the sheriff's department SWAT team. They had a custom Remington M700 in .30-06 with a barrel so heavy that the thing tipped the scales at around 15 pounds, IIRC. Felt recoil was about like a .22 at that weight.

The sheriff's department had a 200 yard range, but there was an obstacle course behind the firing points. On the course, there was a large corrugated steel pipe that the ends were capped on to make a tear gas training room, and from the top you could see the target stands on the 200 yard range that were, at that point, now a skitch over 300 yards away.

There was all sorts of debris down at the end of the range from practicing door breaching operations, etc. So we took some little bitty pieces of cinder block that were scattered around, set them on top of the target stands, and proceeded to vaporize them from the top of that pipe with the sniper rifle. That was the first time I had ever shot anything that far, and my love of long-range shooting was cemented right then and there (no pun intended).

The left likes to deride the "gun culture" at every turn, but they mean something completely foreign to my way of thinking when they use that term. To me, guns and shooting have always been synonymous with quality time with dad, and for that I will be forever grateful.

Gun Of The Week

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Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Savage Model 72 "Crackshot" .22 L.R. More specifically, it's my Model 72. It's the first gun my dad gave me and has punched its share of paper and squirrels over the last ~35 years. My little brother, who's a 2LT in the Army right now, learned to shoot on it too, as did many boy scouts in Middle Georgia.

Today I took it to the range, and it's now the first gun my daughter ever shot.

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Posted by: andy at 10:46 AM | Comments (105)
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1 'afternoon Morons, and thanks Andy - On this Father's Day my 16 year old made a card for me on the 'puter. This year's card had a picture of '66 Shelby Cobra 427 on the front.

But more to the point, it had a big picture inside of a Barrett .50 Cal, and said,
"Not available in Shoot to Wound"

The boys knows me. God bless him

Happy Father's Day.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 16, 2013 10:49 AM (4Mv1T)

2 Does a pirate pistol prop count as a weapon? Or the prop cutlass?
http://tinyurl.com/mu7sqb4

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 16, 2013 10:50 AM (HReLM)

3 Treasure your dad.I do miss mine.

Posted by: crank at June 16, 2013 10:51 AM (Wc9et)

4 Yeah, I learned to shoot in Middle GA as well.

Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2013 10:52 AM (lZvxr)

5 Went skeet shooting south of Houston yesterday. First time I shot since shooting oppossums on my grandma's farm. Shot a 13 on my first round, which was better than any of the others I went with, a number of others who shot skeet before.

Posted by: Boone at June 16, 2013 10:52 AM (tIyK2)

6 Yeah, I learned to shoot in Middle GA as well. Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2013 02:52 PM (lZvxr) Me three.......if Ft. Benning is considered Middle GA.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 16, 2013 10:57 AM (MBqvE)

7 >>>> Today I took it to the range, and it's now the first gun my daughter ever shot.

That is an awesome Father's Day story.

Posted by: Bomber at June 16, 2013 10:57 AM (AkdCZ)

8 The first .22 I shot was an old Remington rolling block .22 that my Dad had.

I later bought a Winchester lever action .22. If I recall correctly it was bad about jamming and I got rid of it.

I now have a .22 semi-auto that shoots fine but I haven't shot it in a coon's age. .

Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2013 10:58 AM (lZvxr)

9 As old as I am, my dad is still sending more lead downrange monthly than I am. But if primers come down to a more reasonable price....

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 16, 2013 10:58 AM (kxSZr)

10 Me three.......if Ft. Benning is considered Middle GA.

Posted by at June 16, 2013 02:57 PM (MBqvE)

LOL, I grew up in Dublin. You can't get much more "middle" than that.

Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2013 10:59 AM (lZvxr)

11 That model 72 is in great shape for its age and use.
I found out that my Remington Nylon Apache Model 77 .22LR is worth a bit of money. Made only for Kmart for a few years. It seems collectors seek it out. Who knew.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 16, 2013 11:00 AM (Cs2tJ)

12 I truly hope you, and others with like experience realize how lucky you were Andy. My first gun? Daisy 1894 Spitten' Image. 9 or 10 yrs old. Other Christmas present that year, a cheap fiberglass bow and arrow set. Mom got me one, old guy that ran a bait, tackle and other outdoor stuff where I hung out when not fishing or playing baseball got me the other. Taught myself how to shoot reading the booklet that came with the BB gun. By jr high I was shooting locusts out of trees. Shooting em through the wings to keep em alive to use for fish bait. Dad? What's that? Enjoy your day folks.

Posted by: teej at June 16, 2013 11:01 AM (cWpCn)

13 First .22 I shot was my dad's 1947 Winchester Model 62A.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 16, 2013 11:02 AM (4Mv1T)

That is an awesome Father's Day story.

Yup, 'tis.

All my favorite recollections are the time spent trudging through the fields in North Alabama hunting in my teens. The day I got my hunting license was second only to getting my drivers license.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 16, 2013 11:03 AM (0HooB)

15 Mentioned before, I have a Hopkins and Allen rolling block in 22LR. Thing still shoots great although ejects hang up occasionally. It's the size of a Red Rider bb gun.

Posted by: sTevo at June 16, 2013 11:04 AM (YSd1Q)

16 When's the Bagel of the Week Thread?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 16, 2013 11:05 AM (eHIJJ)

17 I'm still a big fan of the 406mm naval rifle. I miss the days when they came in a 9-pack.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 16, 2013 11:06 AM (Vgn84)

18 So what's your favorite gun in your collection? Before the tragic boating mishap, obviously.

For me it's a Beretta Modello 1934 pistol, made in 1944. It's a pretty little piece of sculpture. It was the standard service pistol of the Italian forces in WWII, which is odd to American eyes since it's really a .380 ACP pocket pistol (or in Italian nomenclature, 9mm Corto, and yes, the cartridges are identical).

It's a hoot to shoot, unless you have meaty mitts, then the hammer will bite. I'd feel fine using it as a carry piece, except it's a single action, and the safety has a 180-degree throw that I'm able to flick off with my strong hand thumb only about 50% of the time. Field stripping is a piece of cake, just lock the slide back and pop the barrel backwards and out of the slide with your finger.

The 1934 grew in caliber and size to 9mm and got a locking action to cope with the larger caliber (the 1934 is blowback), becoming the M1951. Later the M1951 got a double-column magazine and a double-action trigger and became the M92, known in the US military as the M9.

This picture isn't my personal piece. With those markings, I wish it was. I believe that's the Regia Aeronautica mark on the tang, and I think they used a .32 ACP version. Note the strong design DNA link between it and the M9:

http://tinyurl.com/mnlyuvx

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 16, 2013 11:09 AM (celt+)

It's the size of a Red Rider bb gun.

You do know what will happen, don't you?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 16, 2013 11:13 AM (0HooB)

20 Daddy taught us to shoot the .22 on the family Nylon 66. Later, we also shot .22s at summer camp. When I tell some liberals that, they can't believe people actually shoot rifles at summer camp! I ask them, who doesn't shoot rifles at camp? Then Daddy has us shoot his Walther ppk that he got because--James Bond. Hearing protection? What's that? I never wanted to be the first to shoot, because we used the spent brass as earplugs. If you were first to shoot, there was no "earplug" available, and you couldn't use your fingers in your ears while shooting. I think Mom and Dad still have both those guns.

Posted by: stace. NOW what?! at June 16, 2013 11:16 AM (DX63t)

21 The first firearm I ever shot was a Ruger 10-22. And yep, it was with my dad. He set up a glass bottle filled with water and had me shoot it. He used the explosion of that shot bottle to teach me how dangerous a firearm can be, and that I should always treat guns with respect. I was about 7 years old, and several decades later, I still haven't forgotten that lesson.

He gave me the 10-22 when I was about 20 years old, and now my son now has it. It is still one sweet-shooting rifle!

Posted by: Mr_Write at June 16, 2013 11:19 AM (Fn7Hb)

22 It was the first gun I ever shot and I still own it.

Posted by: PrairieDogSD at June 16, 2013 11:19 AM (6a4C/)

23 My son is an infantryman in the Army, now deployed overseas in an FOB in Zabul province in Afghanistan. He said the other guys bitch and moan all the time about cleaning weapons. He says he likes it. Makes him think of home, him and me in the garage cleaning weapons after a day at the range. I can't tell you how much I miss my boy. It would eat me up if I let it.

Posted by: troyriser at June 16, 2013 11:19 AM (ptcFO)

24 What a tender gun thread (oxymoron?) Andy, you're lucky to have been raised by a dad like you have. Happy Fathers Day to all you Daddy Morons.

Posted by: L, elle at June 16, 2013 11:20 AM (0PiQ4)

25 406mm rifles? Only downside, not really good at being CCW material.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 16, 2013 11:20 AM (HReLM)

26 Favorite gun in my collection is a Colt M1991A1. As a gift when I got my wings, Dad took me to his friend's house; friend was a living room FFL. He opened the safe, and Dad said, "Pick one." Saw Glocks, Rugers, some S&W revolvers. I quit looking when I saw that .45. Always loved the 1911. This one was a lower-end version, ~$500 in 1999. But lots of sentimental value.

Posted by: Bomber at June 16, 2013 11:21 AM (AkdCZ)

27 Awesome post Andy! Enjoy every day with your family!

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 16, 2013 11:22 AM (n8LUb)

28 troyriser --- I miss him for you. Sounds like you raised him right. Good on you, Dad.

Posted by: L, elle at June 16, 2013 11:22 AM (0PiQ4)

29 Something to see: http://tinyurl.com/k4h2rtt . Wonder if moderated comments will ever appear

Posted by: DAve at June 16, 2013 11:23 AM (albkL)

30 My grandfather owned a crackshot. It was the first real gun I ever shot. It would not eject the empty brass so you had to remember to carry a knife with you when you shot it to prise out the empty. No telling how many squirrels and rabbits that rifle harvested. Not mention cans, rocks, tree limbs, etc.

Posted by: 1sttofight at June 16, 2013 11:24 AM (52rFY)

31 Posted by: L, elle at June 16, 2013 03:22 PM (0PiQ4) Thank you, elle. Means a lot.

Posted by: troyriser at June 16, 2013 11:24 AM (ptcFO)

32 My ol man lied about his age and joined the S.C. national guard at 14 . True story . Which gave him just the angle he was looking for . Some how he and a buddy got their hands on leftover ought six ammo from the units training allotment . Guess their inventory control in those days left something to be desired . This would be around 1944 46 . Anyway , he and his friend burnt up 2,000 rds of ammo through 03 springfields in one day shooting into a pond dam . Needless to say , my dad could shoot the hell out of a rifle . Couldn't shoot a 1911 for shit and just average with a shotgun ,,but a rifle . Look out .

Posted by: awkward davies at June 16, 2013 11:27 AM (WK8VM)

33 Slowest... gun thread... EVAH

Posted by: DAve at June 16, 2013 11:27 AM (albkL)

34 My brother and I used to hide behind a tree stump or rock and the other one would shoot past them so we could hear the bullet go by. Came in handy later on in a land far, far away.

Posted by: 1sttofight at June 16, 2013 11:28 AM (52rFY)

35 25 406mm rifles? Only downside, not really good at being CCW material. Posted by: Anna Puma Paint it black.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 16, 2013 11:28 AM (5YUSx)

Neat thread, glad you have those happy memories.

I just started taking my son to the range, been twice so far and he enjoys it quite a bit. He's shot the 10-22 but he has to rest it on the bench due to his size (8 years old and a bit boney). He really likes the Walther P22 and he's not a bad shot with it either.

Gotta get a .22 revolver next, trying to expose him to all different kinds of actions.

Posted by: BuckIV at June 16, 2013 11:33 AM (+4mBJ)

37 The first gun I ever shot was my grandfather's Remington .22 that he bought used for $6.00 in 1930. I still have it.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at June 16, 2013 11:33 AM (WSPjd)

38 My favorite gun - Winchester Model 61 manufactured in the '30's still shoots and looks great.

Posted by: BuckIV at June 16, 2013 11:37 AM (+4mBJ)

My first gun was a little .410 to hunt quail with my Dad who could hit any number of birds flushed at any given time. He also taught me to eat what we shot and be grateful for it, something my mom didn't really care for. I'd really like to buy an M1 from the CMP, but I don't have a need for it...really you NSA snooper fucks.

I have several guns now, but I really have an affection for my daisho. I understand the meaning of the katana is the soul of a samurai.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2013 11:37 AM (ELs9k)

One other story...my uncle, another gun enthusiast, still has an 1861 Sharps carbine rifle. This model of rifle was commonly used by Union cavalry units during the Civil War, and my uncle was able to trace this on as one of those guns.

It ended up being found in a cave many years later. Apparently, the owner of the gun at that time had his last stand in that cave, and we figure that since the Indians could not use the rifle as it had military-issue ammunition, they broke the stock in an attempt to keep other people from using it.

Anyway, my uncle purchased the old Sharps and fixed the stock. When I was a teenager, he took me out to shoot it one day. It was originally configured to be a black powder breach-loader, but someone had converted it to accept black powder brass cartridges.

These cartridges is huge (reminded me of a shell that a tank would fire), and is .50 calibre. It is for good reason that people of the old West used to call it the "shoot today, kill tomorrow" gun, because of its incredible range. Like I said, my uncle's gun was the carbine, which is shorter than the full-sized Sharps. An example of the capabilities of this firearm can be seen in the movie, Quigly Down Under with Tom Selleck (the one he used is the full-sized version).

Anyway, I got to shoot that gun a couple of times, and boy, I can tell you...the kick on that gun was like the kick of a mule! Still, it was fun to shoot and I hit the target. I will always cherish that day when my uncle let me shoot his Sharps!

Posted by: Mr_Write at June 16, 2013 11:38 AM (Fn7Hb)

41 One other story...my uncle, another gun enthusiast, still has an 1861 Sharps carbine rifle. This model of rifle was commonly used by Union cavalry units during the Civil War, and my uncle was able to trace this on as one of those guns.

It ended up being found in a cave many years later. Apparently, the owner of the gun at that time had his last stand in that cave, and we figure that since the Indians could not use the rifle as it had military-issue ammunition, they broke the stock in an attempt to keep other people from using it.

Anyway, my uncle purchased the old Sharps and fixed the stock. When I was a teenager, he took me out to shoot it one day. It was originally configured to be a black powder breach-loader, but someone had converted it to accept black powder brass cartridges.

These cartridges is huge (reminded me of a shell that a tank would fire), and is .50 calibre. It is for good reason that people of the old West used to call it the "shoot today, kill tomorrow" gun, because of its incredible range. Like I said, my uncle's gun was the carbine, which is shorter than the full-sized Sharps. An example of the capabilities of this firearm can be seen in the movie, Quigly Down Under with Tom Selleck (the one he used is the full-sized version).

Anyway, I got to shoot that gun a couple of times, and boy, I can tell you...the kick on that gun was like the kick of a mule! Still, it was fun to shoot and I hit the target. I will always cherish that day when my uncle let me shoot his Sharps!

Posted by: Mr_Write at June 16, 2013 11:38 AM (Fn7Hb)

42 Millennials aren't the problem:

West Virginia: 14-Year-Old Boy Who Refused To Remove NRA Shirt In School Facing 1 Year In Jail After Prosecutor Moves Forward With Case

Must have an awesome dad.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 16, 2013 11:40 AM (H4Rpo)

43 Someone needs to go into the barrel. The Sharps might protect you from the ambiance that has built up since last cleaning.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 16, 2013 11:40 AM (HReLM)

44 I have a vintage McKnight Slim Jim holster for a small frame western six shooter if anyone is interested. It's probably 80 years old but excellent condition. Trade?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at June 16, 2013 11:41 AM (WSPjd)

45 Posted by: Mr_Write

Barrel. Stat.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 16, 2013 11:41 AM (H4Rpo)

46 Just got off the phone with my little brother down in GA. Someone asked about Sweat's BBQ in Soperton yesterday. Brother said it has been closed now for over 30 years.

Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2013 11:41 AM (lZvxr)

47 Posted by: DAve at June 16, 2013 03:23 PM (albkL)

The incredible ignorance and outright lying and strawmen in the comments are unreal.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2013 11:42 AM (U22Yw)

48 Posted by: Mr_Write at June 16, 2013 03:38 PM (Fn7Hb)

You! Into the barrel!

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2013 11:43 AM (U22Yw)

49 "These cartridges is huge (reminded me of a shell that a tank would fire), and is .50 calibre. It is for good reason that people of the old West used to call it the "shoot today, kill tomorrow" gun, because of its incredible range.... An example of the capabilities of this firearm can be seen in the movie, Quigly Down Under with Tom Selleck (the one he used is the full-sized version)."

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Screw fiction. In 1874, buffalo scout Billy Dixon used a .50-90 Sharps to shoot an Indian chief off of his horse at nearly a mile away, ending the siege of Adobe Walls as the Indians withdrew from that powerful medicine.

There's a reason marksmen are called "sharpshooters." It ain't cuz they "shoot sharp".

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 16, 2013 11:45 AM (celt+)

50 Country Singer and the other morons: LOL.

I was just looking at the Sharps on Wikipedia, and it says there that the cartridge was ".52-caliber 475-grain projectile with 50-grain (3.2 g) cartridge" Sheesh!

Posted by: Mr_Write at June 16, 2013 11:47 AM (Fn7Hb)

51 Insty has a link to a Ms. magazine article by a womyn who decided to carry a glock as some kind of anthropological experiment . I can't decide which is worse the article or the comments . Constant face palming .

Posted by: awkward davies at June 16, 2013 11:47 AM (WK8VM)

52 Finally decided to buy my first gun, what I'm buying, and most imortantly, convinced my wife it's ok. Glock 19 gen4. Did lots of reading and it looks like the ultimate SHTF first gun. Gotta put in the paperwork before Oct 1st, since MD's new commie law is being enacted then.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 16, 2013 11:48 AM (X4HxX)

53 Do lefties even CALL their dad on Fathers' Day?

Posted by: The littl shyning man at June 16, 2013 11:48 AM (PH+2B)

54 troyriser, I'm sorry your son is so far away from you, especially today. If I had to pick our favorite gun in our collection, we don't have anything that's unique, so I would pick the Christmas Bushmaster killing machine I bought my menfolk as a big fuck you to the gun grabbers. In December it was the only AR left at my neighborhood Merchant of DeathÂ™. Now I know why ARs are so popular--adjustable, low recoil, reliable, easy to accessorize etc. Women love to accessorize, so I've bought some gizmos to stick on it. It makes for a nice family rifle.

Posted by: stace. NOW what?! at June 16, 2013 11:48 AM (DX63t)

55 I am looking to sell a handgun in Pennsylvania. Any advice as to where to find rules and good venues?

Posted by: tablet heck at June 16, 2013 11:49 AM (WTDMz)

56 We have wireless in the barrel now?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at June 16, 2013 11:50 AM (WSPjd)

57 "Now I know why ARs are so popular--adjustable, low recoil, reliable, easy to accessorize etc. Women love to accessorize, so I've bought some gizmos to stick on it."

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There's a reason it's called "The Barbie Doll for men."

I swear I'm going to buy one of those rail-mounted bottle openers. Just because.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 16, 2013 11:50 AM (celt+)

58 Tablet Heck to sell a gun, I would suggest go talk to the gun stores and ask about selling on consignment.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 16, 2013 11:50 AM (HReLM)

59 Oh, and for the record, first firearm I ever shot was my brother's Stevens 940 single shot .410. Nice little gun, and it still resides at my parents' house.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2013 11:51 AM (U22Yw)

60 55 I am looking to sell a handgun in Pennsylvania. Any advice as to where to find rules and good venues? Posted by: tablet heck at June 16, 2013 03:49 PM (WTDMz) Whatcha got?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 16, 2013 11:53 AM (X4HxX)

61 Thanks for the post & great story Andy. Been poking around looking for a nicer crackshot for a couple years now. Haven't found the right one yet. A few years ago (before the boating incident) my father dropped off an old his old Marlin .22 - which was handed to him by his father. It was in parts & pieces when he brought it to me and handed over with a chuckle, smile, half-assed apology, and said 'have fun.' My daughter helped me refinish and re-assemble it over a 3 week span. It is now in its 3rd generation. Dad, uncle, myself, brother, and both my kids sent their first rounds down range with that old Marlin. Hope the kids don't turn out to be dipshits as I'd like to pass along to one of them someday.

Posted by: scampydog at June 16, 2013 11:55 AM (2SXc9)

62 That story of the hoplophobic woman getting a pistol to prove that no one needs a gun is definitely a stark contrast to Emily Miller's saga in the WaTimes: http://tinyurl.com/6hwksgx

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2013 11:56 AM (U22Yw)

First gun my Dad bought me was an .20 Ga. 1100 Special Field.

Love that gun...even though it doesn't fit anymore.

Happy Father's Day to all who cling to their Guns, (Family) and Faith.

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2013 12:05 PM (fhYEF)

64 Ah, da gun thread. You all know I just live for this.

Posted by: Just crazy about Guns at June 16, 2013 12:06 PM (Lu5ZN)

65 The Ms Magazine article's point is that it should be illegal for anyone to do anything irresponsible, and beyond that it should be as close to impossible as possible. The Total Control State is what is being advocated. They actually believe that you can have a world where all harm, all accidents, are prevented. If I thought they would publish it, I would suggest they consider what that world would be like, given that a Maximum Security Prison can't achieve that goal. Lefties aren't inhuman, they aren't a different species, they just have a disorder when it comes to considering consequences - only the consequences they *want* are considered - without regard to whether that's ever been the result of similar actions through history. I remember many years ago when I was a whippersnapper creating a small amount of liberal consternation when I asked someone (in the context of teaching them about the burgeoning Interwebs) what they were interested in. Their answer - singular - was "world peace." I said, "You can't have that, what else do you want?" I did note that everything they wanted depended on other people being something suddenly different than what they were - human nature changing. We both desire peace, I just don't expect it, and one of us is not confused by ensuing events.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 16, 2013 12:07 PM (qyfb5)

66 Insty has a link to a Ms. magazine article by a womyn who decided to carry a glock as some kind of anthropological experiment .

I'm amused about how she claims she wants to see what it feels like to be a "good guy with a gun" but rejects any concept of responsibility regarding gun ownership.

There was a time when it simply was expected that an owner was responsible for the things he or she owned, and if you didn't know how to use something, you didn't own one . . . or at the very least, didn't go out in public with it until you did figure out how to use it.

But according to the commenters, that's not the point. The point is that irresponsible people can get guns.

Duh.

Irresponsible people can get all manner of things that they shouldn't probably have.

All the time.

For instance, leftist "progressives" have freedom, even though they don't know how to use it and are demonstrably dangerous when possessing it. They probably shouldn't be allowed to to use it until they've passed background checks and a course in personal responsibility.

Hmm. I've talked myself into agreeing with "the real point." Heh.

Posted by: filbert. Just filbert. at June 16, 2013 12:11 PM (7vimm)

67 First gun I ever shot was a . 22 rifle at 4H Camp when I was 11 years old. Camp Marshall in Spencer, MA. We would fire for a half hour, with instruction, every day. I loved it. Didn't fire another one until Basic Training.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 16, 2013 12:12 PM (ZshNr)

68 Baen SF author Sarah Hoyt has a GREAT Father's day article up on her blog.

Link in nick.

Posted by: filbert. Just filbert. at June 16, 2013 12:13 PM (7vimm)

69 My Drunken uncles threw me in the lake when I was 4. I almost drowned. God bless the doggy paddle! When I crawled back to the dock , they laughed and said "now you know how to swim". They also made me shoot a .22 pistol at a tree . They said I was a weak city feller and they were trying to harden me up. I hit the tree on the third shot (that little pistol was heavy for a 4 year old), drinks all around. I drank my first beer at 4. It knocked me out, I was a lightweight back then.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at June 16, 2013 12:14 PM (Lu5ZN)

70 Glad you grew up Judge. That was a full size hole you put in Bad Bob the Albino.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at June 16, 2013 12:18 PM (WSPjd)

71 Judge_Roy_bean: "My Drunken uncles threw me in the lake when I was 4..."

I would've sworn this story was going to end with, "And that, my boy, is where we lost all our guns."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 16, 2013 12:18 PM (eHIJJ)

72 63 First gun my Dad bought me was an .20 Ga. 1100 Special Field. Love that gun...even though it doesn't fit anymore. Happy Father's Day to all who cling to their Guns, (Family) and Faith. Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2013 04:05 PM (fhYEF) Awesome. My mom got me a 20 ga 1100 LT when I hit my 20s and decided hunting wasn't evil and gross. By that time Dad was so busy with work and organized "men's hunts" that most of my quail and dove hunting was done with girlfriends, or with my mom, granny and aunt. Lots of good memories. I still have it, though in recent years I've just used it for the occasional round of skeet, again with girlfriends. That Ms. article just makes me want to slap the silly out of that girl, repeatedly. Why is it "feminist" to be such a fainting ninnytwat? I'm glad my nieces are Annie Oakley fans. That's a superior role model for young women.

Posted by: stace. NOW what?! at June 16, 2013 12:18 PM (DX63t)

73 Let me get this straight . . .

CAC is attempting a stomp on the gun thread . . .

with an art thread?

/shrugs, drops mic in a desultory, haphazard way, stalks off to parent-in-law's anniversary supper.

Posted by: filbert. Just filbert. at June 16, 2013 12:19 PM (7vimm)

"They also made me shoot a .22 pistol at a tree . They said I was a weak city feller and they were trying to harden me up."

No, they were just stupid and youre lucky it didn't ricochet out to tag some dumbass standing around.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2013 12:20 PM (LP0Fj)

In the theme of "Father's Day":

My Dad was rated an M-1 carbine marksman in WWII, although I doubt he ever fired a shot in anger as he was in the Corps of Engineers and not near the front (in the South Pacific).

After he died in 1977, my Mom gave me his old Colt .38 automatic (did not know he ever had it), which has a 4 digit serial number. This must have been made around 1904-1908, and was the predecessor to the .45 1911A1. Shoots normal .38 auto, not high power (which would probably blow it apart).

Very accurate the few times I've shot it.

And remembering....

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense at.... at June 16, 2013 12:25 PM (I2uSp)

76 Good stuff Andy, thanks. The gun looks a little like my single shot 20 Ga. That my dad would let me carry quail hunting on our farm in Va.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 16, 2013 12:26 PM (wR+pz)

77 Shooting at trees is dangerous. I once had a .30 M1 Carbine bullet bounce back and hit me in the leg. We had put a paper target on the tree to shoot at.

That's when I learned not to shoot at trees.

Posted by: Vic at June 16, 2013 12:28 PM (lZvxr)

78 I have my mom's 1898 Winchester 22 hexagon barrel 22 long. Son still kills squirrels with it, but longs are hard to find.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 16, 2013 12:29 PM (wR+pz)

79 No, they were just stupid andyoure lucky it didn't ricochet out to tag some dumbass standing around. Pathetic................................................

Posted by: 1sttofight at June 16, 2013 12:32 PM (52rFY)

80 That Ms. article just makes me want to slap the silly out of that girl, repeatedly. Why is it "feminist" to be such a fainting ninnytwat? Posted by: stace. NOW what?! at June 16, 2013 04:18 PM (DX63t) Because the editors of most magazines are products of the Far Left Academic Journalist Manufacturing Machine, whose first job is to ensure that their employees are products of the same machine, because Diversity means having everyone around you think the same things you do. Just like the IRS, EPA, and DOJ.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 16, 2013 12:36 PM (qyfb5)

81 They admire the ant colony thinking they are the Queen. But in reality they are merely infertile worker drones stuck with menial tasks dreaming they are the Queen. The feminists who are truly socialists who burn bras to distract.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 16, 2013 01:04 PM (HReLM)

That Ms. article just makes me want to slap the silly out of that girl, repeatedly. Why is it "feminist" to be such a fainting ninnytwat? I'm glad my nieces are Annie Oakley fans. That's a superior role model for young women.

Feminism is about female dominance over men. The only way that they can do that is to turn the power of the state in their favor, by claiming special privilege for their delicate natures.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 16, 2013 01:09 PM (lr3d7)

83 I tried out the new bump stock for my bushmaster carbon 15 I recently acquired.

All I have to say is Oh my holy god.

Near full auto is possible with a semi rifle.

It takes a little practice but once you get the hang of it, damn!!

Posted by: Kreplach at June 16, 2013 01:15 PM (zOP5o)

84 Andy, nice post that paralleled my thoughts. Dad bought me an Ithaca 49 .22 single shot lever action for my twelfth birthday in 1966 ($25 from Sears & Roebuck). He didn't even own a gun then - but got a CO2 pistol to carry in the woods while I learned to squirrel hunt. He (and I) later later bought Ithaca Deerslayers with accessory "bird barrels". We lived near Ithaca and I think they were selling out the factory inventory before relocating production, if memory serves. It never occurred to me until years later that he was never really a gun person, but yet he went against my Mom's wishes when he bought that first rifle because he felt that it was Father's responsibility. I love and miss you Dad.

Posted by: Radar at June 16, 2013 01:22 PM (KzmOC)

85 I had 16 guns, to include an AR-15, until that terrible boating accident. I have to say that if I was limited to only one gun it would be my dirt cheap Remington .22 long rifle semi auto. With ammo it likes it will shoot well under minute of angle all day long. If I was really hungry in the extreme, I would not be afraid of taking a deer by putting a round in it's ear.

Posted by: Putter at June 16, 2013 01:32 PM (JkrPf)

86 So, because of yesterday's damn BBQ thread and today's gun thread I'm standing here at the Salt Lick waiting for my damn food. Yeah, it's REALLY busy, Father's Day and all that. Oh, and I have a gun with so I can be on this thread, so there.

Posted by: lindafell at June 16, 2013 01:32 PM (G58bp)

87 >> I'm standing here at the Salt Lick waiting for my damn food. At the one in Driftwood? If so, I pure hate you. By which I mean, can you send some to MA?

Posted by: Andy at June 16, 2013 01:37 PM (WEuad)

88 Yeah, in Driftwood.

Posted by: lindafell at June 16, 2013 01:48 PM (EHhm7)

Lindafell, is that out by Jacobs Well in Wimberly? That would be a nice place for a Central TX Moron Meet Up.......

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2013 02:23 PM (ELs9k)

90 My first pull on a long gun was a Savage Model 110 in .30-06 when I was 12. Ended up on my keister, wishing I had started out with something a little...ah...milder. Unfortunately, it wasn't with my dad. He never showed much interest in firearms after returning from the WWII European Theater, and I gathered that it was mostly because he'd had his fill with them. Sure do miss ya, Dad.

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at June 16, 2013 02:29 PM (uLzrM)

91 Above I mentioned my late aunt who I used to go hunting with. She had a miniature dachshund that would fetch her doves for her. They'd get a little chewed up but were still usable. Just remembered that and thought it was kind of funny. Heidi of Ms magazine would spontaneously combust, poof!, if she saw my aunt with her dachshund filling the bird bag. Shutting up now. Must go get ready to take the father of my son to dinner.

Posted by: stace. NOW what?! at June 16, 2013 02:39 PM (DX63t)

92 Looks like the ms. magazine article is simply discarding comments which don't agree with her viewpoint

Posted by: DAve at June 16, 2013 03:23 PM (albkL)

93 Holy shit, I just got a chance to read that Ms. thing. That's gonna be a whole 'nother post.

Posted by: Andy at June 16, 2013 03:34 PM (BqGMB)

94 Yes, that's the one

Posted by: lindafell at June 16, 2013 03:34 PM (PGO8C)

95 Lindafell, the Mrs. is from around there. *sigh* I miss Texas.

Posted by: Andy at June 16, 2013 03:40 PM (BqGMB)

96 I have a small rant from my wait. I was sitting on the fence rail up against the building in a bit of shade waiting patiently for my togo order for about 50 minutes. There is a leftist libtard couple, $100 they were in academia or government work, encroaching slowly toward me as time passes. They are on the phone calling * The Salt Lick* to harass them about waiting for their food as they are waiting for their food. I finally step about two feet forward to inquiry about my order. When I step back and try to sit back down, I'm in the guys lap because he took my spot since I was still there and all. I look at him and say that I'm still here, WTF? He acts like he doesn't know what I'm talking about. Anyways, I don't shoot him and pick a spot two feet down still in the shade. A father carrying a sleeping kid about three sits down next to me which is in the sun, so I give him my spot since I knew I only had a few more minutes to wait. As soon as I did that my order was ready. I REALLY wanted to shoot that douche bag though.

Posted by: lindaFell at June 16, 2013 03:57 PM (PGO8C)

97 Daddy's Day was spent at the range. I grew up in a no-guns household, so my father didn't share any gun handling with me. I'm still learning on my own from groups such as the NRA. Nevertheless, I have been faithfully taking my daughter and son to rifle practice, coaching them to shoot nice neat holes in paper, hoping that the only other place they use these skills is when they hunt.

Posted by: Gork at June 16, 2013 04:36 PM (LleCh)

98 >> $100 they were in academia or government work Austin!

Posted by: Andy at June 16, 2013 04:54 PM (li+aS)

99 Gork, I'm fortunate that this was passed down to me, but it has to start somewhere too. Well done!

Posted by: Andy at June 16, 2013 04:55 PM (li+aS)

100 Andy - Only Jeffersonville might be a little closer to Mid Ga. I'm in Macon. Love my CMP M1.

Posted by: Freak Out! at June 16, 2013 05:05 PM (AC5mA)

101 Winner Andy!!!

Posted by: lindaFell at June 16, 2013 05:14 PM (PGO8C)

102 Andy,other funny thing is you usually don't see many of them at BBQ places since they usually aren't big into eating meat and all that icky stuff. Plus, us low life red necks aren't their usual crowd, probably why they were in such a hurry to get their take out

Posted by: lindaFell at June 16, 2013 05:25 PM (PGO8C)

103 >> I'm in Macon. Love my CMP M1. I'm a native Maconite. The range I'm talking about in the post is the Bibb Co. SO range off Ocmulgee East Blvd./I-16.

Posted by: Andy at June 16, 2013 06:25 PM (li+aS)

104 lindaFell, they must've gotten lost.

Posted by: Andy at June 16, 2013 06:26 PM (li+aS)

105 Greetings: And from the way, way back machine... I grew up in the Bronx of the last '50s and '60s but was fortunate to be born into a family that had a summer bungalow about 60 miles north in Putnam County. Thus, I had the benefit of both an urban culture and a country culture. Spending summers upstate, my friends were country boys, used to going into the woods, camping overnight, and having our days to ourselves with no threat of nearby adult supervision. Before long, I wanted to acquire the local accoutrements, guns and knives being my highest priorities. My city-girl mother wasn't having any of it; my father, born in Ireland and a WWII graduate, quickly became my only chance for successful acquisitions. Initially, I separated him from his "war-knife" and subsequently began working on him for a 22 caliber rifle. When my mother found out that my father was having me join a gun club in preparation for my new tool, he and my mother had an intensive dinner time discussion about the appropriateness of a relative youngster having his own firearm. My mother insisted that this was no way to raise a child. My father's conclusionary statement was "I'm not raising a child; I'm raising a man." Happy Fathers' Day to all who have earned it.

Posted by: 11B40 at June 17, 2013 08:15 AM (0kp1g)

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