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December 01, 2013

Gun Thread (12-1-2013)
— andy

Personal Foul

ICYMI, the NFL turned down a pro-gun ad this year. At least it's not on NBC, so we don't have to hear Costas' opposing-view at halftime with nary a word from the league.

Also, I was treated to a regional ad from Bloomberg & Menino's Mayors Against Illegal Guns group in the last Pats/Giants Super Bowl, but that apparently doesn't run afoul of the NFL's policy. Call it the gun control show loophole.

Gun Of The Week

(answer below)

Marksmanship Award

Bonus Hero of the Day - California: Armed intruder shot by homeowner - http://t.co/rvRqD6iF48 #NRA #ArmedCitizen (via @chicoer)
— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) November 27, 2013

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the H&K P7M13 with its innovative squeeze-cocking mechanism.

Thugs

Charles C. W. Cooke had a must-read this week on the thuggish tactics of the anti-gunners in Colorado. So go read it.

Â“As we speak, we have multiple cars monitoring us at our offices and filming us from the parking lot,Â” Mike McAlpine, who headed up the recall effort, told me yesterday. Â“This is not a one-off event. We hold sign-and-drive events on the sidewalks near to busy intersections, and we hold signs inviting people to pull over and sign the petition. Our opponents have taken to blocking us: as cars pull in, they run up to the driverÂ’s side door and physically stand next to the door so that the person inside cannot open the door and come outside.Â”

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1 Teal, gadwalls and spoonbills this morning. Spoonbill Duck: Lipus Giganticus. The hobos of the aquatic avian world.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 01, 2013 05:33 AM (WukZG)

Good to see a Gun Thread this week!

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 01, 2013 05:34 AM (aR7x3)

3 HK P7. Cool gun. Another one I remember from "Soldier of Fortune" back in the day.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 05:34 AM (celt+)

4 3 HK P7. Cool gun. Another one I remember from "Soldier of Fortune" back in the day. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 09:34 AM (celt+) IIRC, Hans Gruber had one in Die Hard.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2013 05:35 AM (UAMVq)

5 OK, you bastards, are you happy? I blew a five-bill hole in my Discover when I went back to the LGS and bought that CZ-75. Lucky for you guys it's so f***in' sweet.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 05:35 AM (celt+)

6 I owned a P7M13. Not a bad gun, if you don't like to shoot/practice very much. Gets VERY hot, too hot to reasonably handle, if you put very many rounds through it in a brief period of time. Bought it, for a fortune ($$$), soon sold it, for a fortune. Interesting gun to have owned, not a keeper (for me, only practical guns interest me). --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at December 01, 2013 05:36 AM (k8VnD)

7 If an anti-gun zealot stands next to my window he will regret it.

Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2013 05:36 AM (YowqD)

8 Perhaps there should be a Gun stocking stuffer for the Apocalypse thread....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 01, 2013 05:36 AM (ofljX)

9 ****8 Perhaps there should be a Gun stocking stuffer for the Apocalypse thread....**** You remain awesome Anna.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 01, 2013 05:38 AM (WukZG)

10 As for the NFL I gave up on them long ago after their last strike.

Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2013 05:39 AM (YowqD)

11 Bonus Hero of the Day - California: Armed intruder shot by homeowner Just in time for the holiday season, today's feel-good story of the week.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/i][/u][/s] at December 01, 2013 05:40 AM (sbV1u)

12 WooHoo! A new indoor range opened here recently and they have a Thompson M1A1 for rental. Took my 2 boys and grandson over there on Friday for a surprise treat. What a fun gun to shoot. Smiles all around.

Posted by: someoldguy at December 01, 2013 05:40 AM (fR7g6)

13 We didn't get a gun thread last week, didn't we? Thanks for this one!

Posted by: EC at December 01, 2013 05:41 AM (doBIb)

14 Taro of course the CZ-75 is sweet. Its the weapon of choice for Rally Vincent in Gunsmith Cats.

http://youtu.be/bXE4wO-Qt48

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 01, 2013 05:41 AM (ofljX)

15 House passes Ohio's Concealed Carry & Self-Defense Law Reform (HB 203) http://tinyurl.com/o79ggqz Improved reciprocity, reduced mandatory hours for CHL training, and Stand Your Ground.

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 05:41 AM (zpNwC)

16 WooHoo! A new indoor range opened here recently and they have a Thompson M1A1 for rental. Took my 2 boys and grandson over there on Friday for a surprise treat. What a fun gun to shoot. Smiles all around. Drum magazine too?

Posted by: EC at December 01, 2013 05:41 AM (doBIb)

17 One of the reasons I hesitated laying out the cash for my CZ is that already have a Beretta M9 and a Browning Hi-Power. Sadly, though, the Hi-Power is so damned beautiful with its high-polish blue finish that I've been reluctant to shoot it. So I figured if it was going to be a safe queen, I'd go all the way and pop on a set of Pau Ferro wood grips.

Oh. My. God. The grips feel utterly perfect in my hand - slim and smooth. And the beautifully-figured wood looks so sublimely gorgeous with the blue that it makes me weep like Al Capone at "Il Pagliacci."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 05:42 AM (celt+)

18 And it is now somewhere around 75 days since Mrs VIA submitted the paperwork to the State for her S&W 9mm.

Estimates are another 90 days till approval due to backlog.

On the other hand, she got to hold a S&W Model 500 yesterday up at Thunderstick Enterprises.

And has her eye on a 22lr upper for the Stag to play with.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 05:43 AM (X2NEw)

19 14 That is a bad-ass manga.

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 05:43 AM (zpNwC)

20 Drum magazine too?

Posted by: EC at December 01, 2013 09:41 AM (doBIb)

No, we each got a 30 round magazine.

Posted by: someoldguy at December 01, 2013 05:43 AM (fR7g6)

21 I usually buy myself a Christmas present. I mean, I like me better than most people, right? What's five bill's worth of best value?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 01, 2013 05:43 AM (WukZG)

22 IIRC, Hans Gruber had one in Die Hard.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2013 09:35 AM (UAMVq)

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You do indeed RC.

"I'm going to count to three..."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 05:44 AM (celt+)

23 David Kopel: Knives and the Second Amendment http://tinyurl.com/ozcxy6n

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 05:44 AM (zpNwC)

24 21 I usually buy myself a Christmas present. I mean, I like me better than most people, right? What's five bill's worth of best value? Posted by: Mr. Dave

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Hmmm... CZ-75? ;-)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 05:45 AM (celt+)

25 And it is now somewhere around 75 days since Mrs VIA submitted the paperwork to the State for her SW 9mm.

Estimates are another 90 days till approval due to backlog.

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What the heck ??!! Three days here.

Posted by: mama winger at December 01, 2013 05:45 AM (P6QsQ)

26 And it is now somewhere around 75 days since Mrs VIA submitted the paperwork to the State for her SW 9mm.

Come to Virginia. Took me 45 minutes for approval. And that was last year during the pitch of the buying frenzy when the State Police website was overwhelmed.

The dealer apologized profusely for the network being so slow.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at December 01, 2013 05:45 AM (JpC1K)

27 Took possession of my Romanian PSL this week. I don't think it's been fired since it came into this country as there an icicle of solder in the bore from the importer soldering the flash hider on.

Posted by: toby928© Still crying in his breakfast beer at December 01, 2013 05:46 AM (QupBk)

28 Lets see we have Jaws, a Bond girl in a bikini, and oh yeah even a handgun.

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/selection-du-weekend-64-6.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 01, 2013 05:47 AM (ofljX)

29 So, did anybody score a great Black Friday-season deal?

I had a Spikes Tactical midlength upper in my shopping cart at DSG Arms for about a month. It was $535 at first, then shot up to $575. I kept checking every day, and the Friday before last it showed $399. I was on that like a cop on a cruller. Should be here Tuesday.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 05:48 AM (celt+)

30 Cleveland settles federal lawsuit over confiscated gun, owner to get his .38-caliber back http://tinyurl.com/qa76x6t Dude reports a crime to the police, gives a statement, and is latter arrested on BS charges which the city prosecutor refused to pursue, but they wouldn't give him his property back, because said property is a gun.

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 05:50 AM (zpNwC)

31 This past week, I purchased a Talon Cargo Pocket holster for my LC9. As the name implies, it's designed to stay inside a cargo shorts pocket but I've found that it fits securely within my inside jacket pocket. I'm still breaking it in but it seems okay.

http://shop.talontraininggroup.com/ruger-lc9-cargo-holster/

I may start looking at IWB holsters for one of my full size pistols as it's now jean-wearing weather.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 01, 2013 05:52 AM (e4elg)

32 Gingy,

I saw you on the other thread, so.....

Went over to Free State Friday night to look around.

Nice range.
We will be there again.

And I think I am going to go for official Collector status.
Gets rid of the 30 day requirement between buying regulated weapons in this state.

Seeing as a certain un-named Moron has me eyeing a CZ 75.
And I still have ten days till I can submit the paperwork for the second Stag Lower ordered in September, and then a ten day wait after submitting, till I can physically receive it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 05:52 AM (X2NEw)

33 "Our opponents have taken to blocking us: as cars pull in, they run up to the driverÂ’s side door and physically stand next to the door so that the person inside cannot open the door and come outside.Â” It as been correctly pointed out that these people are not anti-gun. They want the guns in the hands of the government.

Posted by: fluffy at December 01, 2013 05:52 AM (Ua6T/)

34 Just a quick thank you to the moron that gave me Alamo Ammo's address. They had the ammo I have been looking for for a year, 5.7 x 28 at a fair price. They do require you to send them a photo id before they will ship, which I understand. Seem like a nice bunch to deal with and ammo came in three days.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 05:53 AM (0FSuD)

35 Toledo CHL-holder defends self against armed felon http://tinyurl.com/nppl877 "The shooting "victim" is no stranger to Toledo police. According to court records he has a long criminal history. Police say Martin had a gun on him last night. Court documents show Martin is a convicted felon and should have never had a gun. He was scheduled for an arraignment today in Lucas County Common Pleas court. In July he was charged with carrying a concealed weapon and receiving stolen property after he was caught with a stolen gun. The gun was stolen from a Toledo police officer's apartment. " But gun control totally works.

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 05:54 AM (zpNwC)

36 17 One of the reasons I hesitated laying out the cash for my CZ is that already have a Beretta M9 and a Browning Hi-Power. Sadly, though, the Hi-Power is so damned beautiful with its high-polish blue finish that I've been reluctant to shoot it. So I figured if it was going to be a safe queen, I'd go all the way and pop on a set of Pau Ferro wood grips. I love that term "safe queen". My Hi Power is in the safe also. It is a pretty gun.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 05:56 AM (0FSuD)

37 The P7 is my main conceal carry weapon. Fantastic little gun with a full 4" barrel. Also one of the more accurate pistols I've shot.

Posted by: Sean at December 01, 2013 05:56 AM (IQ81y)

38 The only guns the NFL approves of are illegal Glocks carried into nighclubs by its players. I mean Plaxico Burris is still playing, right? Went down to a local gun shop in TX to see what the purchase rules are. Turns out once you've got 30 days' residence they just hand it to you. Feels weird, like pushing on a door you thought was locked and falling through...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 01, 2013 05:57 AM (XO6WW)

39 I may start looking at IWB holsters for one of my full size pistols as it's now jean-wearing weather. Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 01, 2013 09:52 AM (e4elg) I am very happy with my Kholster http://www.kholster.com/

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 05:58 AM (zpNwC)

40
I love that term "safe queen".

Me too!

Posted by: Barney Frank[/s][/i][/u][/b] at December 01, 2013 05:58 AM (JpC1K)

41 the P7 is interesting, and if I found one at a good price point I'd bite.

The VP-70's trigger pull is ungodly

Posted by: sven10077 at December 01, 2013 05:58 AM (9jfyN)

42
7 If an anti-gun zealot stands next to my window he will regret it.

Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2013 09:36 AM (YowqD)

Officer, they surrounded my car door shouting and screaming and scared the hell out of me. So I cut my wheels and backed outta there as fast as I could.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 01, 2013 05:58 AM (tOkJB)

43 38 "The only guns the NFL approves of are illegal Glocks carried into nighclubs by its players. I mean Plaxico Burris is still playing, right?" Illegal Glocks? You mean like the machine pistol or the 380 that's banned for import for some reason?

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 05:59 AM (zpNwC)

44 18 And it is now somewhere around 75 days since Mrs VIA submitted the paperwork to the State for her SW 9mm Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 09:43 AM (X2NEw) --- I haven't head anything either way. Purchased in July, released shortly thereafter. I expect they'd have come taken it by now, if they were going to.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 01, 2013 06:01 AM (N/cFh)

45 43 BornLib at December 01, 2013 09:59 AM (zpNwC)

"Illegal Glocks" like unregistered firearms in NYC illegal....

Posted by: sven10077 at December 01, 2013 06:01 AM (9jfyN)

46 Come to Virginia. Took me 45 minutes for approval. And that was last year during the pitch of the buying frenzy when the State Police website was overwhelmed. The dealer apologized profusely for the network being so slow. Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 01, 2013 09:45 AM (JpC1K) My son lives in GA. I think he just goes in an buys any damn thing he wants after a background check.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 06:01 AM (0FSuD)

47 Colion Noir on gun-grabber's new habit of calling gun-control "Gun Safety?" http://youtu.be/ODZmGCIY9rA

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 06:03 AM (zpNwC)

48 "I haven't head anything either way. Purchased in July, released shortly thereafter. I expect they'd have come taken it by now, if they were going to."

From the MSP update page.

Processing initial reviews from 8-18-2013
Secondary reviews from 8-8-2013.
Yours should be any day now.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 06:06 AM (X2NEw)

49 Yes Gunsmith Cats is some pretty awesome manga and OVAs. Some really messed up characters, crazy plots, and all Rally wants to do is run her gun shop and keep her GT500 running.

Of course there was Riding BEan before it. Bean Bandit, courier extraordinaire, and his partner Rally Vincent have to stop some really twisted kidnappers while dodging an obsessed Chicago cop.
http://youtu.be/fKjFmOh2UuQ

"Roadbustah!!!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 01, 2013 06:07 AM (ofljX)

50 Billy Johnson for NRA News: What Drives People to Violence? http://youtu.be/HMBEx2d5GsM

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 06:08 AM (zpNwC)

51 MSP update page? What's that? Educate me please. I submitted paperwork on September 10th.

Posted by: Retread at December 01, 2013 06:08 AM (IiAs3)

52 Woo-hoo! I built my first AR-15 lower. I'd bought a stripped Stag Arms lower and a CMMG parts kit. I was going to start it after I bought my buffer tube and stock in a few weeks, but Wednesday night I had insomnia and was up at 2:00am. I figured I'd go online and watch an assembly video or two for familiarization. Then I said "What the hell" and started assembly.

You know something's easy when you can do it in your bathrobe at your desk. I only had to go down to the basement once to use the vise (when I tapped in the bolt release roll pin.) The takedown pin spring and detent was a little tricky, but I held them in with a credit card as I slid the pin in. The triggerguard roll pin scared the hell out of me (I didn't want to break off the triggerguard ear, which is common), but I supported it well with my lower receiver block, started the pin in with a few taps, then switched over to a C-clamp and pressed it the rest of the way. Easy-peasey.

I used two videos, one for what not to do (Nick Leghorn) and one for what to do if you're anal retentive and OCD (Larry Potterfield at Midway USA, who never met a job that didn't need an absurdly specialized and otherwise worthless tool. Which, by remarkable coincidence, he sells!) Between those two extremes I found the sweet spot.

Only tools needed were a rubber mallet I already had, a roll pin punch (part of a set of four by Lyman I bought for the job, fifteen bucks and I'll use them again), a cheapo 2" C-clamp I already had, and a Pro Mag lower receiver block (ten bucks, I think.) I nabbed a Tapco multi-tool from Amazon that I'll need for the buffer tube (thirty-some bucks) and some future upper-receiver work. Usually Tapco and Pro Mag make crap, but these tools got good reviews.

It was so easy I had time to go back to bed and get plenty of sleep for Thanksgiving dinner. If you're thinking of buying an AR-15, keep your eye peeled for stripped lowers (especially "blemished" lowers which are cheap and hardly blemished) and sweet deals on uppers. You can put a nice one together for less than seven bills if you do your research (on both price AND quality).

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 06:09 AM (celt+)

53 MSP update page,
Scroll all the way to the bottom.

http://tinyurl.com/pfkmapv

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 06:09 AM (X2NEw)

54 The gun was stolen from a Toledo police officer's apartment. " But gun control totally works. Posted by: BornLib Forget it Jake, it's Toledo town.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at December 01, 2013 06:10 AM (v6hyJ)

55
27 Took possession of my Romanian PSL this week. I don't think it's been fired since it came into this country as there an icicle of solder in the bore from the importer soldering the flash hider on.

It's probably been attached with silver solder. It forms a very strong joint but also has a high melting point. Sounds like it's time for a trip to your firearms doctor.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 01, 2013 06:10 AM (tOkJB)

56 Speaking of back ordered guns. Does any moron know anyone at Walmart? I ordered a marlin 44 lever action in FEBRUARY. I started calling them in August and was promised by a guy in Arkansas that the gun would be delivered in Oct. It's Dec 1st, still no gun. I need some heat, any help?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 06:10 AM (0FSuD)

57 Thanks, VIA.

Posted by: Retread at December 01, 2013 06:11 AM (IiAs3)

58 Seeing as a certain un-named Moron has me eyeing a CZ 75.
And I still have ten days till I can submit the paperwork for the second Stag Lower ordered in September, and then a ten day wait after submitting, till I can physically receive it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

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Jeez, we're living some kind of parallel Gun Lives...

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 06:12 AM (celt+)

59 There was a question over at the DM of all places as to whether the old lady who was shot and killed by 3 thugs had the right gun for her. Someone said that the elderly tend to prefer a 38 snub nose which may not be the best gun for an older woman.

Posted by: The Commenting Software at December 01, 2013 06:12 AM (kkbgQ)

60 "Jeez, we're living some kind of parallel Gun Lives..."

As if that isn't enough, I just read your comment about building up from your Stag Lower.

And I'm thinking "That's me in a few weeks"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 06:15 AM (X2NEw)

61 Bye the bye, if you folks haven't seen, I've announced deep holiday discounts on "The Law of Self Defense, 2nd Edition," (kindly mentioned in the AOS Gun Post as "The owner's manual to your CCW." The Law of Self Defense Blog is selling custom autographed copies for $19.95 (make great Christmas gifts). Amazon has print copies at $24.95, and Kindle versions at $9.99. These are all discounts from the list price of $49.95. So, if you've been interested but holding back because of the price, here's your window of opportunity. After the holidays . . . well, you know what happens. :-)

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at December 01, 2013 06:17 AM (k8VnD)

62 Andrew Branca Analysis: Self-Defense Claim May be Legally Weak in Michigan Porch Shooting http://tinyurl.com/p7y55ct

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 06:17 AM (zpNwC)

63 Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 01, 2013 09:33 AM (WukZG)

Are you a bird watcher?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2013 06:17 AM (oJ5Fd)

64 Just ordered a drop-in trigger kit for my XD .45 from Powder River Precision. 10% off this weekend. Great product, I put one in the wife's XDm and she loves it - she's a really good shot with it. If you're mechanically inclined towards emery cloths and small metal files, they also have models where you fit the pieces yourself for optimal performance, but I didn't go that route.

Posted by: 141Driver at December 01, 2013 06:18 AM (C0WBF)

65 Retread,
No problem, glad to help.
Do you ever spend time on mdshooters.com?

Lot's of good advice.
Specially on the Maryland 2A Issues sub-forum.

I learn more and more each day from reading there.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 06:20 AM (X2NEw)

66 It's Dec 1st, still no gun. I need some heat, any help?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 10:10 AM (0FSuD)

My advice: go down and cancel the order, get your money back, and write a nastygram to the corporate office including all the details. After that, go to a firearms dealer and order your Marlin.

It could be a manufacturers backlog, but I can't imagine a backlog 10 months long. Then again, I am still waiting for .22LR...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 01, 2013 06:22 AM (yh0zB)

67 Bornlinb writes: Andrew Branca Analysis: Self-Defense Claim May be Legally Weak in Michigan Porch Shooting http://tinyurl.com/p7y55ct Thanks for the mention! :-) --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at December 01, 2013 06:22 AM (k8VnD)

68 After trying and enjoying my grandfather's (prewar)1911 looking for a modern one to avoid wearing his out. What to buy: Ruger SR1911 vs Remmington 1911r1 enhanced? I've heard Ruger's is one of the best inexpensive 1911 builds, but their quality control has had serious issues due to their 2 million order backlog.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 01, 2013 06:24 AM (KCvsd)

69 @66 I am getting close to that point. I have already written a nastygram to corp last month. Didn't hear a word back. Thinking of going the lobbyist route, I know some lobbyist. It's not about the gun any more, it's the disrespect.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 06:24 AM (0FSuD)

70 I finally got the scope dialed in for the Arisaka so it's ready to seek the elusive North American Hoofed Rat.

Also, got my copy of "The Law of Self Defense" but I haven't had the time to get into it yet. I used the Moron discount, but of course now you can get a bigger discount (see post 61). As I said, I haven't had the time to get into it (damn this working for a living!) but it's next on the list.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 01, 2013 06:25 AM (yh0zB)

71 59 There was a question over at the DM of all places as to whether the old lady who was shot and killed by 3 thugs had the right gun for her. Someone said that the elderly tend to prefer a 38 snub nose which may not be the best gun for an older woman. Posted by: The Commenting Software at December 01, 2013 10:12 AM (kkbgQ) The elderly probably prefer the guns they had when they weren't elderly. Without knowing how strong this woman was or if she had arthritis, I can't say that it was necessarily a bad choice.

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 06:26 AM (zpNwC)

72 Took possession of my Romanian PSL this week. I don't think it's been fired since it came into this country as there an icicle of solder in the bore from the importer soldering the flash hider on. Posted by: toby928Ã¯Â¿Â½ Still crying in his breakfast beer at Had one of those for a while. Good conversation starter at the range, since it looks so much like the Dragunov. Talking about guns that get hot, fast-- the barrel is really light; you put 25 rounds through that bastard and you can use it boil water.

Posted by: Secundus at December 01, 2013 06:28 AM (B4x3t)

73 It's not about the gun any more, it's the disrespect.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 10:24 AM (0FSuD)

Yep, completely understand that. Surprising, actually, I wouldn't really consider Wal Mart to be gun friendly but they are at least neutral...and they sell a lot of guns.

Last but not least, I need adjustable sights for the new Glock, it shoots down and to the left. Consistently down and to the left, I got a good group but it was 2" down and 2" left at 7 yards. With this gun I have to put the target right behind the front sight, if I "lollypop" the target the group is 3" down at 7 yards. The G36 is pretty much spot on with the target lollypopped.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 01, 2013 06:29 AM (yh0zB)

74 MAIG offered its followers a PDF of a thanksgiving dinner placemat conversation starter. What is it with these statists and their holiday talking points? Yesterday I printed one up and shot it with my Sig mk25. https://twitter.com/mrsgrama/status/406903464631889920

Posted by: stace at December 01, 2013 06:31 AM (pyh5u)

75 What to buy:
Ruger SR1911 vs Remington 1911r1 enhanced?

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While Remington is a bit of a dirty word these days for their cost-cutting and QC on some of their lines, I've heard good things about their 1911's, and Gun Tests gave it a thumb's up.

I've got some Rugers, and while their return and repair policy is the best in the business, they seem to rely on it. Both of my Vaqueros shot to the left, a common problem caused by insufficiently-tightened barrels. I ended up widening the rear sight on one side myself to correct it.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 06:32 AM (celt+)

76 Do you ever spend time on mdshooters.com?

I will now.

Posted by: Retread at December 01, 2013 06:34 AM (IiAs3)

77 @73 I thought I was getting somewhere when the gun buyer called me and talked for 30 minutes explaining the problem, new factory, blah blah. I have the ONLY back ordered 44 lever action in all of walmart. You would think the largest retailer in the world could find ONE gun. Going to call Monday.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 06:35 AM (0FSuD)

78 Any tips for a moron who forgot to clean an AR after a misty day? The carbon is a bitch to get off. Just use more elbow grease?

Posted by: RWC at December 01, 2013 06:35 AM (LpbKr)

79 67 Law of Self Defense at December 01, 2013 10:22 AM (k8VnD)

It's a good read, I was saddened by the shoot down in Georgia involving the Alzheimer's stricken gentleman in Chickamaugua.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 01, 2013 06:36 AM (9jfyN)

80 RWC

Have you tried any of the "foaming" bore cleaners yet?

I hear that they work well, if you allow enough soak time.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 06:37 AM (X2NEw)

81 "The carbon is a bitch to get off. Just use more elbow grease?"

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Soak it in solvent for a few hours first?

My solution for any household cleaning difficulty is soaking.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 06:38 AM (celt+)

82 #75, that's my concern. Both have reviews of being great when to spec. But when the QC is off the results are predictable.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 01, 2013 06:38 AM (KCvsd)

83 Goin lookin for some 22LR today. Hope is some got put on shelves last night. Dim hope, that is.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 01, 2013 06:38 AM (tmFlQ)

84 NYC Sending Out Gun Confiscation Notices http://tinyurl.com/oapbse4

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 06:39 AM (zpNwC)

85 Hey the gun threads back.....Thanks guys! Wooo Hooo!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 01, 2013 06:42 AM (YnWd6)

86 The TOFYJ-30 Project http://tinyurl.com/nrkruz3 "ItÂ’s a multi-caliber (.308, 7.62x54R, and 12 gauge, depending on barrel and extractor) straight-pull bolt-action garage gun that uses heavy gauge tubing as a receiver. At a bare minimum, it requires no milling or welding (IÂ’m building the prototype exclusively using hand tools) and parts readily bought online. In accordance with the mannerisms of the man this project is devoted to, the blueprints will be available for free. Once the blueprints are made available, IÂ’ll be encouraging the community to add to the number of parts- new magwells, new bolt designs-"

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 06:43 AM (zpNwC)

87 78 RWC carb cleaner from your auto parts store, It breaks down carbon pretty good and is kind of benign in regards to plastics (last cars with carbs had some plastic parts). Follow with toothbrush and lube things up. Clean again, and lube.

Posted by: Bill at December 01, 2013 06:45 AM (uvyrw)

88 Dim hope, that is.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 01, 2013 10:38 AM (tmFlQ)

Found some at Walmart yesterday. Weird boxes of 225 loose packed Remington hollow points. Three box limit.

Posted by: Ook at December 01, 2013 06:45 AM (FBkKA)

89 VIA, The bore is good. The bolt is what's being stubborn. But no, haven't tried the foam. Is it pretty good? Taro, That's what i was thinking. Soaked it for an hour yesterday but my impatience got in the way.

Posted by: RWC at December 01, 2013 06:47 AM (LpbKr)

90 I read that NRO Corner piece about the thug tactics being used against citizens seeking to sign the petition. Anyone who blocks my egress from my vehicle will find themselves on the ground. And should anyone blow an air horn in my ear, well, I hope they're hungry, because I'll be feeding them their little horn. Also, it used to be that cops protected peoples' rights. Doesn't look that way in Colorado.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at December 01, 2013 06:48 AM (0HooB)

91 Pro sports are the racist now. Fuck them all. Fuck them all in the ass.

Posted by: FUBAR at December 01, 2013 06:48 AM (Cs2tJ)

92 RWC
Someone once recommended soaking in a mix of 60% no, or low odor mineral spirits, and 40% CLP.
The longer the better.
I have not actually tried this yet.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 06:50 AM (X2NEw)

93 New tactic for the antis. http://tinyurl.com/ljsk5z5 Put 'No Gun' stickers on businesses they don't own. Yesterday, I went back and the manager said she looked at the surveillance video and said late one night a customer put the sticker there just before closing on their way out. They confronted them as they are also a frequent customer. She stated that she does that all over town where ever she goes. The manger asked them not to come back anymore.

Posted by: RWC at December 01, 2013 06:52 AM (LpbKr)

94 Yesterday when I was shooting at the Bloomberg propaganda I took my nephew with me. He had just received a Mauser C96 he bought off Gunbroker. It malfunctioned after a few shots. I'm not sure what it was doing, but it sure wasn't feeding right. He has to go back to college today (no guns allowed) so I guess his parents are going to run it back to the gunsmith. I'm glad I got to see it fire a few times cuz it's kind of cool. If anyone has any experience with the C 96 I'd love to hear about it.

Posted by: stace at December 01, 2013 06:53 AM (WbOdn)

95 .
91 posts and nothing about the "squeeze cock" mechanism?
.

Posted by: FireNWater at December 01, 2013 06:53 AM (PYabA)

96 Thanks VIA. I'll try that out.

Posted by: RWC at December 01, 2013 06:53 AM (LpbKr)

97 If some aggressive intimidating stranger blew an air horn in my ear, that would clearly cause me to fear for my life and safety. This is only logical.

Posted by: Science Officer Mr. Glock at December 01, 2013 06:57 AM (ttB5A)

98 Speaking of elbow grease... does this mean we'll be seeing elbows later too?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 01, 2013 06:58 AM (Nsoq9)

99 RWC
"I'll try that out."

Let us know how it does please.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 06:59 AM (X2NEw)

100 Beat an anti gunner to death with his own air horn, suddenly you're the bad guy.

Posted by: real joe at December 01, 2013 07:03 AM (xXhgd)

101 39

I am very happy with my Kholster
http://www.kholster.com/

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 09:58 AM (zpNwC)

Thanks, I'm looking at them now. Also, I'm looking at a Para Expert .45 for $450 (plus a mail-in offer for 2 free mags, cleaning kit, bag, etc) to use with them. So... freaking... tempted. I've already got a 1911, but I'd rather not carry my stainless R1.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 01, 2013 07:03 AM (e4elg)

102 ReasonTV: The Truth About Mental Illness and Guns http://youtu.be/m5ukrWC0lns

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 07:03 AM (zpNwC)

103
New York State has nothing in it's constitution pertaining to the right to keep and bear arms on an individual basis.

Nothing.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 01, 2013 07:04 AM (SAMxH)

104 We can talk about guns, or jump to the new Book Thread.
You decide

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 01, 2013 07:06 AM (X2NEw)

105 #103, neither does Massachusetts despite the whole revolution thing. I wish some moonbat judge when declaring the usual prescriptive freedoms only bullshit that there's "no right in the state constitution to bear arms" would go the full moonbat and also find that the state government has no right to bear arms. The power hungry jackasses would shit a brick if they suddenly had to live under the same rules as their serfs.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 01, 2013 07:09 AM (KCvsd)

106 92 Flip side of that: Doctor in New York Arrested for Stealing Pro Gun Signs From Yards http://tinyurl.com/ng2umov Home / Featured News / All Â“SignsÂ” point to theft All Â“SignsÂ” point to theft By Times of Wayne County Updated: November 22, 2013 Chuck The two sides of the issue are firmly entrenched. The New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, or NY S.A.F.E. Act, was quickly approved by the State legislature in January following the shootings at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. Besides its new definitions on what constitutes a banned assault weapon, and limits on number of rounds of ammunition permitted in a weaponÂ’s magazine, the law also targeted ammunition purchases by dealers and gun owners. Before it was even passed, gun owners, and others opposed to the law, banded together. Rallies in Albany, letters to state legislators and the governor flooded offices. Soon, there was a movement to have the law repealed. This included the lawn signs that began popping up throughout the state, especially in the more conservative rural communities. No sooner had the sign movement taken hold, then homeowners began complaining of sign thefts. One State Trooper, residing in Newark, had his sign disappear from his front yard on a Saturday in September. On Thursday (11/21), a vehicle pulled up in front of a house just after 10:30 a.m. on East Townline Road in Williamson. The driver, a woman, got out of the vehicle and snatched up the Â“Repeal S.A.F.E. ActÂ” lawn sign. The homeowner, Vicki Erwin, spotted the sign thief and the car drove off, stopping at a neighborÂ’s yard where another Â“Repeal S.A.F.E. ActÂ” sign was posted. The driver quickly got back in to her vehicle and sped off. At this point Vicki called for her father out in the barn and told him what was happening. Chuck Steehler chased the woman down to Pearl Street in Williamson and confronted the sign thief. He asked for the sign back, but the woman told him that, since they were calling the cops, to have them come get the sign. Police did not have to go farÂ…it was the homeownerÂ’s own pediatrician who works for Williamson Pediatrics.... Wayne County SheriffÂ’s deputies went to the DoctorÂ’s office and searched, finding five of the signs in the dumpster. Police arrested Dr. Annamaria Kontor, age 46, of Valewood Run in the Town of Penfield for Petit Larceny, Â“after she was observed stealing a Â“Repeal S.A.F.E. ActÂ” sign from a yard in Williamson.Â”

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 07:09 AM (zpNwC)

107 Book thread up

Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2013 07:09 AM (YowqD)

108 102
New York State has nothing in it's constitution pertaining to the right to keep and bear arms on an individual basis.

Nothing.
Posted by: irongrampa

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I used to live in NY. I moved to Maine. Here's Maine's Constitution:

"Article 1, Section 16 - Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 07:11 AM (celt+)

109 102 New York State has nothing in it's constitution pertaining to the right to keep and bear arms on an individual basis. Nothing. Posted by: irongrampa at December 01, 2013 11:04 AM (SAMxH) http://youtu.be/zOXtWxhlsUg

Posted by: BornLib at December 01, 2013 07:12 AM (zpNwC)

110 I went cold turkey on football. The NFL is marketing oboobooscare with a vengeance, and I can't support bobbie costas' Two Minutes Hate every week. I just said no...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 01, 2013 07:15 AM (GJUgF)

111 108 102 New York State has nothing in it's constitution pertaining to the right to keep and bear arms on an individual basis. Nothing. Posted by: irongrampa at December 01, 2013 11:04 AM (SAMxH) Well, you should have gotten a hint when NY State was the only colony NOT to sign the Dec of Independence.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2013 07:16 AM (0FSuD)

112
   Part that burns me is that since nothing exists--except in the case of a militia--the Constitution itself should have precedence here.

   I take that to mean each citizen must be allowed the exercise of that pre-existing right--as defined by the Constitution.

    Crickets when you bring it up.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 01, 2013 07:18 AM (SAMxH)

113 RIA makes a good cheap 1911 shooter. Go for the tactical model.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at December 01, 2013 07:19 AM (rItea)

114 Also, it used to be that cops protected peoples' rights. Doesn't look that way in Colorado. Cops have become the foot soldiers of the statists.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2013 07:33 AM (UAMVq)

115 @112

Yup. I'm also eyeballing the RIA GI model for $329 shipped from Bud's.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 01, 2013 07:40 AM (e4elg)

116 Andrew, if you're still here: just bought your book (Kindle version). Looking forward to reading it.

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at December 01, 2013 07:43 AM (noB3y)

117 OK, you bastards, are you happy? I blew a five-bill hole in my Discover when I went back to the LGS and bought that CZ-75. Lucky for you guys it's so f***in' sweet. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 09:35 AM (celt+)

As for cleaning AR bolts, I keep a CAT4 tool in my cleaning kit. Scrapes off the carbon buildup in seconds. Wish I'd had one of these when I was in the Infantry. http://www.catm4.com/

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2013 07:44 AM (c2oll)

118 Anyone want a free full size 1911 holster ? Right or left hand . I'll even pay the shipping . The catch , if you can call it that is : If you like my work I'd appreciate it if you'd put out the word amongst your friends and the moron horde that awkward makes a good holster . First moron or ette that sends me a snail mail address gets a holster . Hopefully this email address works . Please refer to the ace of spades gunthread in your email . Thanks , awkward

Posted by: awkward davies at December 01, 2013 07:57 AM (WK8VM)

119 geez , I don't know if my email shows up on the comment . It's chucksteelman5@gmail.com That's My sons address so I ain't worried about spammers .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 01, 2013 08:03 AM (WK8VM)

120 Posted by: awkward davies at December 01, 2013 11:57 AM (WK8VM) If you include a 1911 I'll take you up on that ;-). Kidding of course. Yay capitalism!

Posted by: RWC at December 01, 2013 08:05 AM (LpbKr)

121 Sure RWC , I've got two of 'em . A Kimber and a Springfield loaded stainless . Which one ya want ? //

Posted by: awkward davies at December 01, 2013 08:08 AM (WK8VM)

122 Love my P7M13. I run it in IDPA (ESP division) and it shoots like a dream. Only downside is the occasional mag pinch on a reload.

It does get hot with a lot of shooting, but with several minutes between strings of fire/stages, it's not a problem.

Posted by: SARDiver at December 01, 2013 08:23 AM (7AQbW)

123

My "gun" brother has a bunch of P7s. He's far away so I've never handled them.

Question for the XD part of the Horde: anyone ever done a complete disassembly/cleaning of their XD? Springfield discourages the practice; there's at least one pretty detailed tutorial online about how to do it. Especially since I've started running lead bullets in my XD9, I've been anxious to try it - the lead loads are great, but spectacularly filthy.

I'm a bit OCD on cleaning guns, but sort I think practically so when it comes to semi-autos and dirty ammo - eventually function is affected.

So just wondering if anyone has taken their XD down "all the way" and can share their experience.

Posted by: non-purist at December 01, 2013 08:37 AM (afQnV)

124 Saw some people talking about IWB holsters, I'd have to mention the P-Chip I have from Deadeye Luke. Single piece of molded kydek which fits my XD like a glove. Light, and it won't get soggy from sweat like some leather holsters do (I live in FL, so sweat is basically guaranteed until Thanksgiving). Conceals it under a tight shirt even with the extended mag. And all for $40, give or take for shipping, extras, etc. If you're in the FL/GA area, you might catch him at a gun show, where he can fit holsters for less common stuff, like a CZ or Hi-Power. Also, anyone have an opinion on sneaky pete holsters? Was thinking of one so I could carry when societal or labor obligations require a tucked shirt.

Posted by: FGCU_James at December 01, 2013 08:39 AM (if2JC)

125 OK, I'll bite.
What is the deal with the squeeze-cock?

Posted by: navybrat at December 01, 2013 08:46 AM (YcCMP)

126 Tip of the Day:

Multiple repeated blasts from a maritime air horn right straight into the ear of any smelly, bearded hippiehipster Obamabot blocking a person from exiting a car for any reason will more'n likely cause said hippiehipster to...how you say..."get out the way"

Posted by: miked at December 01, 2013 08:57 AM (iZiIb)

127 Daddy Warpig here. 6 weeks or so ago, I asked the gun thread for some comments about firearms, for an old school, dice rolling RPG I'm working on, called "Guns in The Outlaw". Many people pitched in with comments and advice. I wanted to thank those people again. Also, I bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated your contributions, and produced the following: Pt. 1 - Guns of the Guns: http://wp.me/p2KLAq-1rl Pt. 2 - Guns of the Chinese: http://wp.me/p2KLAq-1rw Pt. 3 - Crime and Gun Decisions: http://wp.me/p2KLAq-1rH All errors and idiocies are my own. Links are to my blog, Daddy Warpig's House of Geekery. URL: http://daddywarpig.wordpress.com/ Thanks again for all the help!

Posted by: Daddy Warpig at December 01, 2013 09:10 AM (n5qzy)

128 124 OK, I'll bite.
What is the deal with the squeeze-cock?
Posted by: navybrat

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Kind of a paleolithic precursor to the Glock action. It was a way to keep a round chambered without the need for a positive safety.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 09:23 AM (celt+)

129 Oh, yeah, and you get the same trigger pull each squeeze (unlike a double-action, which lets you carry chambered but requires the trigger to cock the hammer for the first round, making for a longer first-shot trigger pull.)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 09:25 AM (celt+)

130 Thanks Taro!
I'll stick with my glocks.

Posted by: navybrat at December 01, 2013 10:21 AM (YcCMP)

131 Yeah, it didn't exactly catch on.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 10:30 AM (celt+)

132 Helluvan elegant looking pistol, though, the P7.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 10:31 AM (celt+)

133 Almost all of my pistols I bought used from a friend who is a cop. He eventually went to nothing but H&K. Not cheap. But he swears by them.

Posted by: navybrat at December 01, 2013 10:39 AM (YcCMP)

134 Jeez, where the heck is DAve? I thought he'd be high-fiving me on my AR build by now.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 01, 2013 11:40 AM (celt+)

135 "93 Yesterday when I was shooting at the Bloomberg propaganda I took my nephew with me. He had just received a Mauser C96 he bought off Gunbroker. It malfunctioned after a few shots. I'm not sure what it was doing, but it sure wasn't feeding right.
He has to go back to college today (no guns allowed) so I guess his parents are going to run it back to the gunsmith.

I'm glad I got to see it fire a few times cuz it's kind of cool. If anyone has any experience with the C 96 I'd love to hear about it.

Posted by: stace at December 01, 2013 10:53 AM (WbOdn)"

I used to have one and it was loads of fun. I had the same problem with it when I loaded all 10 rounds that it was supposed to hold. I believe the problem is the leaf spring in the magazine. I guess back in the good old days, they did not really have this whole metalurgy of spring steel thing figured out all that well. I understand that some holsters for the broom handle had a pocket for a spare magazine spring so it is not a new and unheard of problem. I have seen new made springs for the C96 advertized over the years but since I no longer own the gun, I have never bought one. The pistol was pretty reliable if you only loaded six rounds and worked a lot of the time if you loaded eight but it would jam pretty reliably with ten rounds loaded in the magazine.

I had someone tell me that the problem was actually a weak recoil spring rather than a magazine spring. Since the recoil spring is simply a coil spring, it ought to be relatively simple to find a coil spring of the correct diameter and length that is a bit stronger. That might be easier to find than a magazine leaf spring.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at December 01, 2013 12:38 PM (BcCwi)

136 Citizens Against Illegal Activity Of Mayors Against Illegal Guns: http://nypost.com/2013/11/29/illegal-mayors-against-guns/

Posted by: BuddyPC at December 01, 2013 12:41 PM (jfUIE)

137 If you like your P7 you can keep your P7.

Posted by: DM at December 01, 2013 02:52 PM (LaKlJ)

138 Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at December 01, 2013 04:38 PM (BcCwi) Thanks, Mr. A-hole. I'll relay that info to the kid. He was loading in 10 rounds, and God only knows what kind of shape those springs are in. He's really excited to have this gun so it'll be great to have it working right.

Posted by: stace at December 01, 2013 03:33 PM (9PXzx)

139 Taro, Congratcz on the CZ-75! It will probably be the best 5 bones you ever spent, enjoy her! Now, as for your new AR upper, congrats also! The next thing you need to do is take that brand new, shiny beautiful AR and...find your color scheme, go to the hardware store and pick up some cheap rattle-can spraypaint and MAKE THAT RIFLE YOURS! =) Anything less shows lack of commitment, like you're gonna sell it or something. Plus, there's something just so naughty and satisfying about rattlecanning a pristine weapon. I don't have any safe queens, lol.

Posted by: Oedipus, determined to RIDE THE DECLINE at December 01, 2013 04:17 PM (Tjkt6)

140 Had to move this up from the thread below:

456 Jeebus H. I just received my "name draw" for husband's fucked up family. I drew Life Coach's third husband's name (who, believe it or not, she's had deposited in a psychiatric facility in Boston for several months).

Lucky fucking me. Kill me now. For realz.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2013 10:44 PM (lVPtV)

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