December 15, 2013

Gun Thread (12-15-2013)
— andy

Well Done, Morons

That Denver Post stealth edit of the Arapahoe shooter's socialism blew up on Twitter yesterday, and it was caught by Moronette 'Wordy girl' in yesterday's morning thread. I tweeted it to Bob Owens, who also had the "Socialism" version of the story, Instapundit retweeted that tweet, Owens updated his story and started hammering the Denver Post on it and, well, it just kind of took off, leading to this idiotic statement that Ace covered yesterday:


As it turns out, this guy seems to have not had much of a problem talking with his classmates about his affinity for statist ideologies.

Senior Chris Davis, 18, was among many students Saturday trying to make sense of Pierson's shooting rampage.

"He was a weird kid," Davis said. "He's a self-proclaimed communist, just wears Soviet shirts all the time."

You can safely bet everything you own that if he'd ever worn a Gadsden flag shirt, there'd be wall-to-wall coverage at the Denver Post, and we'd know the size, manufacturer, location of purchase and all the rest by now.

Related: The Tweetable Guide To Media Myths And Left-wing Violence


Gun-Control Dishonesty

A must-read by the always excellent Charles C. W. Cooke:

Earlier in the year, as the gun-control movement tried clumsily to transform an abomination into a cudgel, the Washington Post’s Kathleen Parker distilled its problem into a single sentence. “Nothing proposed in the gun-control debates would have prevented the mass killing of children at Sandy Hook Elementary School,” Parker contended plainly, “and everybody knows it.”

This was abundantly clear at the time, and it is even more so in retrospect. And yet I must nitpick ever so slightly with Parker’s excellent contention, for it is missing the crucial word “almost.” Almost everybody knows it. The public seems to know it. Legislators seem to know it. But, judging by the abundance of vexed anniversary columns, a significant cabal of journalists and activists have never got the message. A year later, their cry is as it was at the outset: Why won’t we act?

Gun Of The Week

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(answer below) Marksmanship Awards





Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Colt Python .357 magnum revolver. I'm more of an S&W man myself when it comes to wheelguns, but the Colt's a nice piece.


Help An 'Ette

I got the following request by email from 'Miss Maureen', and I know you guys would love to lend a hand:

With Christmas right around the corner, I'm looking for some advice on a gift for my BF and thought the Horde might be able to help.

We've got an AR which is sadly unadorned. I'd like to get at least a combo scope and light for him this year, but am 100% clueless when it comes to what's good and what's a good price. (I know he wants the light to have a strobe.) Also, what are some other cool, useful add-ons?

I thought a discussion of the best stocking-stuffer accessories might be fun.

I completely agree (and would suggest picking up a few standard-capacity magazines like this beauty from Magpul for stocking stuffers. Because you can never have enough mags.)

What say you, horde?


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1 The Colt Python  is the best .357 ever made.  If you can find one in good cndition wou will pay a mint for it.  I know someone who has one unfired still in the box.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 15, 2013 05:54 AM (T2V/1)

2 Revolvers are things of beauty, but I have stayed away from them because I am a left-handed shooter. The controls just don't feel comfortable.

If only John Browning had designed one for us sinister shooters...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2013 05:55 AM (QFxY5)

3 cbd does putting left-handed grips help at all?

Posted by: rainoflead at December 15, 2013 05:57 AM (J/npG)

4 What kind of AR-15 is it? Carry handle? Rail mount?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2013 05:57 AM (QFxY5)

5 My Christmas gift to me should be arriving tomorrow. I bid on and won a Springfield M1922 in 22 long rifle. Made in the 20s and 30s at the Springfield armory on an 03 action and barrel. These things are tack drivers due to the heavy barrel. 03 rifle for 22 cost. Fun!

Posted by: Panhandler at December 15, 2013 05:58 AM (LqVNJ)

6 Here's a Glock commercial where a ginger with visible elbows gets rid of a burglar: http://tinyurl.com/lx2ntzn

Posted by: Ian S. at December 15, 2013 05:59 AM (102Hx)

7 Posted by: rainoflead at December 15, 2013 09:57 AM (J/npG)

It's not the grips, it's the location of the cylinder release and the direction the cylinder drops from the pistol.

The whole setup feels awkward...completely unlike my 1911, which seems as if it was built for lefties. The mag release is perfect...just perfect. And with an ambidextrous safety it's exactly what I need.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2013 06:00 AM (QFxY5)

8 Colt Diamondback .38Spl Colt Python .357Mag Colt Anaconda .44Mag snakes alive!

Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2013 06:00 AM (HtUkt)

9 I think revolvers are the best personal defense weapon, especially for inexperienced shooters.  Both 928 children have Taurus revolvers because when you need them, you just pull the trigger. Always loaded, no safety to forget and as easy to use as a cap pistol.

Posted by: toby928© still effin banned by 1990's effin software at December 15, 2013 06:01 AM (evdj2)

10 There's the SandW Model 547 K frame chambered in 9mm, add a 357/38Special cylinder and you've got a weapon for all occasions.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 15, 2013 06:02 AM (LqVNJ)

11 Posted by: Panhandler at December 15, 2013 09:58 AM (LqVNJ) Now all you have to do is find some bulk .22

Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2013 06:02 AM (HtUkt)

12 Posted by: Ian S. at December 15, 2013 09:59 AM (102Hx)

Notice the good trigger control?

I love that ad, although in the real world most people would have fired.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2013 06:03 AM (QFxY5)

13 Using a new online date calculator, it is
89 days since Mrs VIA submitted paperwork to legally own her S&W.
Still no end in sight.

5,760 Minutes till I am able to physically take possession of a Stag Lower that I purchased 76 days ago.

I like this calculator.
Gives it right down to seconds of elapsed time if you wish.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 15, 2013 06:03 AM (GztZn)

14 What a beautiful pic. Extend the barrel a couple inches, "enhance" the caliber, make it stainless & beef it up a bit, add some Pachmayer combat grips and it looks like an old friend I had to sell about 25 years ago. The blued version with factory wood is prettier but...

Posted by: teej at December 15, 2013 06:04 AM (d4o2E)

15 Ian, that is hilarious.

Posted by: Infidel at December 15, 2013 06:05 AM (6bvBO)

16 Now all you have to do is find some bulk .22 I'm sitting on 5k rounds at the moment, that should last me through February.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 15, 2013 06:05 AM (LqVNJ)

17 "Gift for my BF" "We have an AR" Riiiiiiight. I know how this goes, I had the same thing happen with a leather jacket once. "Can I wear your leather?" swiftly became "I'm going to wear the leather." Before long it was "hey, you can't wear my leather jacket. Get your own."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:06 AM (MBqvE)

18 I "had" a SnW model 66 SS .357 before the unfortunate boating accident.  I would have traded it in a heartbeat for a Python.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 15, 2013 06:06 AM (T2V/1)

19 >> The Colt Python is the best .357 ever made. They were expensive as hell, but the action straight out of the box from the factory was superb. For the money, though, I'll take an S&W K or L frame, a spring kit, and a couple of hours of action polishing at the gunsmithing bench every time.

Posted by: Andy at December 15, 2013 06:07 AM (vGQV1)

20 The Python was cool, but I think I'd love to have an Anaconda.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:10 AM (9jfyN)

21 Freak. Is everyone only shooting .22 at the range now? Every other caliber is readily available in any quantity you want except for .22 LR .

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 15, 2013 06:10 AM (RM1gx)

22 One objectifying glance at that revolver and I knew what it was, and I know nothing about pistoles. 


Posted by: Sgt. Schultz at December 15, 2013 06:11 AM (8L+ZD)

23 I picked up a Magpul MOE fixed carbine stock for my Spikes and Wesson midlength, figuring that a solid mount was more important to me than the adjustability of the sliding stock. The length-of-pull is ridiculously short, something like 11-1/2" inches. Magpul knows what they're doing, so I have to believe that having your nose on the charging handle must be SOP for AR's. Or are you assumed to be wearing some sort of body armor or vest because you have an AR? I'm not tacti-cool, so I ordered a thicker buttpad in the hope it'll make the stock usable. For now the sliding factory stock is back on.

BTW, I'm only 5'8", so it's not like I've got orangutan arms. Worst comes to worst, I'll use the stock on a leftover parts/lightweight/winter rifle future build.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:12 AM (celt+)

24 Good to know, CBD. I am a leftie too, and Mr. BTEG was considering buying me a revolver. I have tiny hands and have a hard time racking the slide on a semi-automatic. But it sounds like the revolver might have its own issues I'd have to clear.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 15, 2013 06:13 AM (WD0KF)

25 Right now a Python is selling for between $2000 and $2700.  A model 66 SW goes for about $700.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 15, 2013 06:14 AM (T2V/1)

26 The highlight of the week, the gun thread, THANKS ANDY I like Colt and SW. I have a SW 357 right next to me now in SS. Damn it's heavy. 66-2, six shot. Bought it from a lawyer friend, never shot it. That pisses me off. I will this spring.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 06:14 AM (0FSuD)

27 Mark Kelly is on FNS whining that the Manchin/Toomey gun grabbing and Constitution violating dogshit bill wasn't passed.  Fuck you, dickhole and concentrate your efforts on shitstains like Jared Loughner and his fucked up donk parents who skated on taking responsibility for his earlier antisocial acts.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 15, 2013 06:14 AM (37Azy)

28 The Rossi .38Sp  5 shot seems to work just fine for pp.

Posted by: Infidel at December 15, 2013 06:14 AM (6bvBO)

29 I have a S&W .357 Model 19 service revolver with a four-inch blue steel barrel (which I think is the same gun you have posted). It's a six shot revolver with no safety; if you use blunt-tip high-grain count defense loads it will flat out ruin a burglar's evening, as in kill them with one shot to the chest. VERY loud though. I can't even imagine what it would sound like indoors.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 15, 2013 06:16 AM (bS6uW)

30 Here's another neat commercial. 1960s TV commercial for Mattel's Toy Thompson sub-machine gun with pistol Detective set. Back when boys played with toy guns and people didn't freak out. http://tinyurl.com/2v3o96

Posted by: ExSnipe at December 15, 2013 06:16 AM (57ubW)

31 That Lee Ann chick took a well-deserved beating on Twitter. Very nice. Oh hi, Horde. I'm back.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 15, 2013 06:16 AM (36Rjy)

32 Owned a 6-inch Python that I later sold when I was short of cash (man, do I regret that decision!!!!) Other than a nice optical sight for the AR-15/M-4 platform, the only "accessory" I would recommend is a tactical sling that will allow you to keep the rifle at low ready while slung. I don't like the vertical fore-grips (just adds weight at the muzzle for no advantage) and attached lights (advertises your location to the bad guy). If you look at the guys really using them in combat, they tend to not have a lot of crap attached to their rifles.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at December 15, 2013 06:17 AM (2Jy1U)

33 Goofy trivia question for the true gun geeks -

Why might your odds of surviving a solo round of Russian roulette be marginally better if you were in Russia in the early 20th century?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:17 AM (celt+)

34 OT: But this is real talent. None of you morons could even come close to doing this: http://goo.gl/Gxd3X4

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 15, 2013 06:17 AM (h4eud)

35 I was supposed to buy a S&W 625 a couple of weeks ago but got side tracked with an unexpected home repair. Probably will still be available for me in a couple weeks since not a lot of people looking for revolver in .45 acp.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 15, 2013 06:17 AM (3aj5/)

36 On the Christmas idea question -- When it comes to rifles, all of my time and money go into long-range accuracy. Scopes, barrels, lapped bolts, upgraded triggers. It's insane, I know. It's almost as bad as having an addiction to high-end DIY audio equipment. Which I also suffer from.

Posted by: Phinn at December 15, 2013 06:18 AM (KOGmz)

37 The AR cool-guy tactical stuff is okay, but a thousand rounds of whatever it eats never goes amiss, either.

That being said:  Hogue makes very nice pistol grips.  Magpul makes excellent stock systems and the angled fore grip that I like so much on my AK.

Optics?  Pricey, but an ACOG by Trijicon is awesome.  Get one with the fiber optic strip; it runs off ambient light, no batteries.

Posted by: Secundus at December 15, 2013 06:18 AM (ZwjWK)

38 Taro , I've thought the same thing about myriad rifles and shotguns . I'm 6'5" , so I expect to have problems with length of pull but some firearms are ridiculous . I was checking out one of the new Winchester turkey shotguns a few years back and even with light loads it was guaranteed to drive my thumb into my nose with every shot . If I'd shot 31/2" turkey loads in it , I'd probably have been concussed from the recoil . Needless to say I didn't buy that one , even though it was made by FN , which made it tempting .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 06:19 AM (WK8VM)

39 My bad, I see now it is a Python. Helps to read along.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 15, 2013 06:20 AM (bS6uW)

40 Hey YOU...

you Moron....(NTTIAWWI)

You say you need/want an AR?

Well let's go!

http://tinyurl.com/oq7snzm

113 bucks for a complete frontier arms AR-15 lower....

and a slew of uppers...

http://www.ar15depot.com/uppers.htm

Budget Carbine 399.....

Can we do better?

as Barky Ogabe says..."yes we can"

http://tinyurl.com/q3wvvru

299.95 Carbine sans BCG and Charging handle...

http://tinyurl.com/pfv5cuu

Aim BCG 79.95

Charging Handle

http://tinyurl.com/ope9hwr

13.75

It's looking to me like you can have an AR for less than 650 these days....

Ole! Shortage over

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:20 AM (9jfyN)

41 Have my heart set on a Rock River with 2 stage trigger, med heavy barrel and chambered for. 223/5.56. On the other hand, $. Do manufacturers like Spikes, DPMS, etc measure up?

Posted by: teej at December 15, 2013 06:21 AM (Nsomq)

42 @6 And Gunny Sgt in the Ad! I am sending this to my email list!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 06:22 AM (0FSuD)

43 19 Andy at December 15, 2013 10:07 AM (vGQV1)

I have to admit Andy I am either going for a Caddy or would use a Peacemaker in .357 tuned up...

not a lot of in between for me.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:22 AM (9jfyN)

44 Why might your odds of surviving a solo round of Russian roulette be marginally better if you were in Russia in the early 20th century?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 10:17 AM (celt+)


The revolvers they carried (Nagant or Wembley, IIRC)  held more than six rounds.


Posted by: Secundus at December 15, 2013 06:22 AM (ZwjWK)

45 I used to think "down the memory hole" was just a clever turn of phrase. Then I read 1984, and now I truly understand the censorship of our "betters."

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2013 06:22 AM (kMnHs)

46 41 teej at December 15, 2013 10:21 AM (Nsomq)

Spikes has a very good rep with military shooters....

you can build a budget frame and stuff it with nice innards teej.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:23 AM (9jfyN)

47 >> Right now a Python is selling for between $2000 and $2700. A model 66 SW goes for about $700. There ya go. A brand-new 686 lists for $829 and can be bought cheaper. http://goo.gl/XELSX The price gap between that piece and a Python (which was always pretty wide, although wider now since the latter is out of production) just never was justifiable to me. YMMV

Posted by: Andy at December 15, 2013 06:23 AM (vGQV1)

48 Gun shortage is over but ammo and reloading , still f'ckd.

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 06:23 AM (WK8VM)

49 Something to put on an AR platform, you ask?


http://tinyurl.com/qgpm49e



Just kidding

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 15, 2013 06:24 AM (GztZn)

50 Haven't had any problems with DPMS. Granted, only slightly less than 2k through it.

Posted by: RWC at December 15, 2013 06:24 AM (1J3Mg)

51
I have tiny hands and have a hard time racking the slide on a semi-automatic.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 15, 2013 10:13 AM (WD0KF)







Us brutish men often bullshit our way through running a firearm by using brute force. But in the end it's about technique rather than strength, as in just about every aspect of shooting.

Check out Kathy Jackson's take on racking the slide. A really good article on operating the slide for shooters with smaller hands and less upper body strength.

http://tinyurl.com/lg4rvls

As a side note, corneredcat is in my opinion, easily the best site on the intertubes for any new shooter to start in the gun world, male or female.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:24 AM (MBqvE)

52 The revolvers they carried (Nagant or Wembley, IIRC) held more than six rounds.
Posted by: Secundus

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Ding! Ding! Ding! The Nagant holds seven rounds. I salute you.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:24 AM (celt+)

53 52 Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 10:24 AM (celt+)

Problem is in Soviet Russia NKVD assist YOU! in Russki Roulette

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:26 AM (9jfyN)

54 Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 10:23 AM (WK8VM) Where do you live because in my area you can get everything except .22.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 15, 2013 06:26 AM (ZhNCB)

55 >> I was supposed to buy a S&W 625 a couple of weeks ago Oh, man, my dad has one of those Jerry Miculek editions. It's a sweet shooter.

Posted by: Andy at December 15, 2013 06:27 AM (vGQV1)

56 I paid $150 for my mod 66 before it fell in the river. Of course that was long ago and in pre-obamabucks.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 15, 2013 06:27 AM (T2V/1)

57 A brand-new 686 lists for $829 and can be bought cheaper. http://goo.gl/XELSX


My 686+ is my bedside table gun.  Very light trigger on single action, and with a 4" barrel you can drive nails with it.  Highly recommended.

Posted by: Secundus at December 15, 2013 06:27 AM (ZwjWK)

58 41 Have my heart set on a Rock River with 2 stage trigger, med heavy barrel and chambered for. 223/5.56.
On the other hand, $.
Do manufacturers like Spikes, DPMS, etc measure up?

----------------------------

I researched a long time before I bought. Spikes is very well regarded, Rock River much less so, DPMS lower still. Yes, plenty of guys have had good luck with the latter brands, but I'll stand by what I've gathered as general guidelines.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:28 AM (celt+)

59 Sort of O/T...only kind of..

I'm listening to Terry Gross interviewing Robert Redford on "Fresh Air" and they discussed one of the shoot-outs...but ...but Redford is a gun control nut

But, the fun part of the interview was when Redford said he wanted to be known as a good actor...not just somebody who looked WELL on camera.

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 15, 2013 06:29 AM (cGaCp)

60 59 Albie Damned at December 15, 2013 10:29 AM (cGaCp)

Well it is good to know that we all die alone and in Redford's case unfulfilled.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:30 AM (9jfyN)

61 41 Have my heart set on a Rock River with 2 stage trigger, med heavy barrel and chambered for. 223/5.56. On the other hand, $. Do manufacturers like Spikes, DPMS, etc measure up? Posted by: teej at December 15, 2013 10:21 AM (Nsomq) Very happy with my rock river,just added a full length key mod hand guard rail which is very light. It loves mil spec 62 Grain 5.56

Posted by: Rd in Mississippi at December 15, 2013 06:30 AM (NcSi2)

62 roc ingersol , rural S.C.

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 06:32 AM (WK8VM)

63 But, the fun part of the interview was when Redford said he wanted to be known as a good actor...not just somebody who looked WELL on camera.

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 15, 2013 10:29 AM (cGaCp)



There has been a lot of water under the bridge since Butch Cassidy.  He looks like shit now so he better start working on those acting skills.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 15, 2013 06:32 AM (T2V/1)

64 I am at odds...

I have a nice S+W 5906, I am pondering getting a Marlin Camp 9 or building a 9mm AR-15...

the scary thing is the AR is dropping below the Marlin on price point now.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:33 AM (9jfyN)

65
I was supposed to buy a S&W 625 a couple of weeks ago but got side tracked with an unexpected home repair. Probably will still be available for me in a couple weeks since not a lot of people looking for revolver in .45 acp.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 15, 2013 10:17 AM (3aj5/)









A few years back, my LGS had a REALLY nice Colt M1917 in the display case. Good bore, early '20s production, both original and replacement grip panels for about $900. Had the $ in the gun fund, but passed to buy a bunch of ammo and reloading supplies. I've always regretted that pass.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:36 AM (MBqvE)

66 Why don't they make the Python anymore?

Posted by: kinlaw at December 15, 2013 06:37 AM (ruwkc)

67 18 I "had" a SnW model 66 SS .357 before the unfortunate boating accident. I would have traded it in a heartbeat for a Python. It appears to me that ace could make a shit load of money teaching boating safety to the morons that use to own guns.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 06:37 AM (0FSuD)

68 the scary thing is the AR is dropping below the Marlin on price point now.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 10:33 AM (9jfyN)



Why so scary?  Everybody with a lathe in his garage has started producing ARs and parts in the last few years, and it's only been exacerbated by the World's Greatest Gun Salesman and his idiot minions.


Eventually, people will have what they need or they'll be so financially hamstrung by Obamacare they'll stop buying.  The smaller companies will fold or sell out.

Posted by: Secundus at December 15, 2013 06:38 AM (ZwjWK)

69 sven, TWC, Taro and Rd, thanks so much. Know a guy with a RR and it is teh sweet, especially the break on that 2-stage. Haven't messed with any others at all but I see quite a few on a site I visit. Thanks again for the input. All of it will be considered.

Posted by: teej at December 15, 2013 06:38 AM (M7Cfv)

70 66 kinlaw at December 15, 2013 10:37 AM (ruwkc)

They were too well made for today's market....

the craftsmanship was superb it is similar to the genuine assertion that a K-31 were it made today would be in all likelihood a 1200 dollar rifle.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:39 AM (9jfyN)

71
33 Goofy trivia question for the true gun geeks -

Why might your odds of surviving a solo round of Russian roulette be marginally better if you were in Russia in the early 20th century?

Related question:

Which revolver would actually work with a noise suppressor (silencer)?

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 15, 2013 06:39 AM (tOkJB)

72 Speaking of pissed off. Bought two tkts to gun show this weekend on line. Buddy was suppose to go canceled on me. Probably saved me a $1000 that I would have spent buying shit I didn't need.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 06:39 AM (0FSuD)

73 thanks sven

Posted by: kinlaw at December 15, 2013 06:40 AM (ruwkc)

74 68 Secundus at December 15, 2013 10:38 AM (ZwjWK)

Scary because I remember when the Marlin was a 125 dollar rifle.

I am a sucker for magazine interchangeability, I'm not complaining the AR-15 is dropping off just bewildered the Marlin is rising.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:40 AM (9jfyN)

75
Related question:

Which revolver would actually work with a noise suppressor (silencer)?

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 15, 2013 10:39 AM (tOkJB)







Nagant, of course. Because of the unique ammo and the cylinder that moves forward to effect a proper gas seal.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:40 AM (MBqvE)

76 Thank you, ITC.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 15, 2013 06:41 AM (WD0KF)

77 I've now got a midlength AR and a carbine. I wanted to play with different buffer weights, since I'm pretty set on sticking with XM855 and XM193 ammunition, so I don't need the usual over-gassing to compensate for cheapo ammo. Since I had two stock carbine buffers, I figured the cheapest way to get some variety would be to order an H3, then take it and one of the carbine buffers apart and swap weights. So I swapped one of the tungsten weights in the H3 with one of the steel weights in the carbine buffer, yielding an H2 and an H(1). The H is going in the midlength and the H2 is going in the carbine.

The swap was fairly uneventful. Use a roll pinch punch to drive out the roll pin, then twist off the rubber stopper. The one on the H3 was so stubborn I had to chuck the stopper section in a vise and twist it like a madman. Fairly nerve-wracking, but I didn't destroy it.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:43 AM (celt+)

78 The older Colt revolvers are the best. Love my Trooper in 38 spc along with the various Officer's target models. They consistently lock up tighter than any of my S&W revolvers.

Posted by: JimK at December 15, 2013 06:45 AM (cg3AI)

79 66 Why don't they make the Python anymore?
Posted by: kinlaw

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Because we as a society have decided that we prize cheapness over quality.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:45 AM (celt+)

80 I am a sucker for magazine interchangeability, I'm not complaining the AR-15 is dropping off just bewildered the Marlin is rising.

Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 10:40 AM (9jfyN)


Maybe they get the wood for their stocks from the same people that supplied Gibson, and they're building a legal defense fund

Posted by: Secundus at December 15, 2013 06:45 AM (ZwjWK)

81 Both DPMS and RRA produce much higher quality .308 / 7.62 products than they do 5.56, FWIW.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 06:46 AM (Tjkt6)

82 My dream AR upper:

9mm. Side-mounted magwell like on the Sten gun. Takes Glock magazines.

As long as we're at it, a .45 version that takes 1911 mags.

Some outfit was making one that took Grease Gun mags, but they seem to have flown by night. So I know the concept of side-loading mags is feasible.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:47 AM (celt+)

83
I am a sucker for magazine interchangeability, I'm
not complaining the AR-15 is dropping off just bewildered the Marlin is
rising.


Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 10:40 AM (9jfyN)







The Camp carbines have been out of production for something like 10 years, IIRC. Doesn't help their affordability/availability. I'd love to have a Camp45.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:48 AM (MBqvE)

84 trivia What was the name of the air-rifle used by Lewis and Clark?

Posted by: RWC at December 15, 2013 06:48 AM (Q6HBD)

85 OK. Do any of the other morons have weapons in just about every room? I was walking around and figured, except for my dining room and living room, every room has at LEAST one weapon within reach. Amazing thing is wife is OK with that. 20 years ago a guy tried to break in our home and she couldn't find my pistol, now she doesn't have to look very hard. She likes that.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 06:49 AM (0FSuD)

86 Maureen, You can't go wrong with a red dot sight from Aimpoint or Eotech. Just make sure he mounts it in the correct direction!

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 06:49 AM (doBIb)

87 Girondoni, if I remember correctly

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 15, 2013 06:50 AM (GztZn)

88 83 IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 10:48 AM (MBqvE)

Yeah I know I waited too long is all.

The Camp 45s are not as pricey as the 9s...


Posted by: sven at December 15, 2013 06:50 AM (9jfyN)

89 Crap
Girandoni maybe?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 15, 2013 06:51 AM (GztZn)

90 Anyone have or played with a Kel Tec Sub 2000? I am thinking about getting one.

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 06:51 AM (doBIb)

91 If you're a casual shooter, not using your rifle for work/duty/competition there's no need to fork over the money for an ACOG, unless you want too. They are wonderful systems but pricey for the casual user. Is he wanting magnification at all? Does he prefer a red dot or reflex sight, holosight? What is you price range? What will it be used for? There's lots of variables to consider. More expensive doesn't necessarily translate to better when it comes to firearms or accessories. Frankly, it would be better to take him to the gun stores in your area, give him a budget and let him pick it out himself. He'll get what he wants, there isn't any possibility of an issue after the fact with not getting him what he wants and hell love you all the more!

Posted by: Catmman at December 15, 2013 06:52 AM (C8XlI)

92 I believe the character Rick carries a Python on TWD. Maybe that is one of the reasons why the gun is so popular?

Posted by: Jmel at December 15, 2013 06:54 AM (cfFqn)

93
Some outfit was making one that took Grease Gun mags, but they seem to have flown by night. So I know the concept of side-loading mags is feasible.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 10:47 AM (celt+)







Side mounted grease gun mags on an AR? Cool.

cncguns still makes AR lowers for vertically mounted grease gun mags. He claims to have gotten good results mating it with the blowback 45 auto upper from Oly Arms.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:54 AM (MBqvE)

94 Correct, VIA.

Posted by: RWC at December 15, 2013 06:54 AM (1J3Mg)

95 90 Anyone have or played with a Kel Tec Sub 2000?

I am thinking about getting one.

Posted by: EC

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Good luck. I've been lusting for a Beretta-compatible model for years. Never seen a SUB-2000 in the wild. Kel-Tec is great at designing, not so hot on production.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:55 AM (celt+)

96 Good luck. I've been lusting for a Beretta-compatible model for years. Never seen a SUB-2000 in the wild. Kel-Tec is great at designing, not so hot on production. GB has a bunch. What about the Cx4?

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 06:56 AM (doBIb)

97 92 I believe the character Rick carries a Python on TWD. Maybe that is one of the reasons why the gun is so popular? Posted by: Jmel at December 15, 2013 10:54 AM (cfFqn) Can't wait for someone to use a MagLite as a suppressor.

Posted by: RWC at December 15, 2013 06:56 AM (Q6HBD)

98 92 I believe the character Rick carries a Python on TWD. Maybe that is one of the reasons why the gun is so popular? Posted by: Jmel

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Nah, Pythons have been popular for decades. The Cadillac of .357s since it was designed.

By the way, Rick's flopping holster drives me absolutely insane. The butt of that pistol is never in the same place in two consecutive seconds. Has Andrew Lincoln at any point said, "This thing is flopping about terribly, might we strap it down a bit somehow?" It must be annoying as hell to wear.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 06:58 AM (celt+)

99
Can't wait for someone to use a MagLite as a suppressor.

Posted by: RWC at December 15, 2013 10:56 AM (Q6HBD)








You know, there's a bunch of MagLite suppressor construction vids on YouBoob. I'm just sayin'. :twisted

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:58 AM (MBqvE)

100 Good luck. I've been lusting for a Beretta-compatible model for years. Never seen a SUB-2000 in the wild. Kel-Tec is great at designing, not so hot on production. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 10:55 AM (celt+) Gun Broker has a couple for between 300-500.

Posted by: RWC at December 15, 2013 06:58 AM (1J3Mg)

101 This week we had excitement in our family. Our daughter's ex showed up at her house with a rifle and 3 handguns and decided to try to take her and the children hostage(?). She gave the 10 year old the cell phone and told her to take her little brother and hide in the basement and call the police. He was screaming about killing her and the kids and himself and if he couldn't have her no one could, etc... The police showed up and finally took him away, no one hurt, but we got our daughter and grands out of the house and out of town. It seems he and his friends have been stalking her for a while now, but she didn't want to worry us, she thought she could handle it. She is safe now but he was bailed out of jail by his parents and they are saying he is mentally ill. He doesn't know where she is but he knows where we live, but he also knows we have our CCH and a loaded shotgun by each door, and 2 100 lb dogs that would eat him for lunch. We have been told by the police to keep an eye out for him or his friends. I am not worried, we can take care of ourselves. I am worried about my 87 year old father who lives with us. How do I protect him if necessary. He doesn't want a gun in his room, he says he's too old to shoot accurately. How can I keep him safe if TSHTF?

Posted by: Megthered at December 15, 2013 06:59 AM (iR4Dg)

102
Arrrrgh

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 06:59 AM (MBqvE)

103 "GB has a bunch."

Hmmm, I'll have to check that out.

"What about the Cx4?"

Looks slick, but twice the price of the Kel-Tec, lots of plastic, and doesn't fold up like the Kel-Tec, which I find awesome.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 07:00 AM (celt+)

104 62 roc ingersol , rural S.C. Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 10:32 AM (WK8VM) Me too, we might be neighbors.

Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2013 07:00 AM (HtUkt)

105 I own 2 S&Ws, and they are great revolvers, but I would love to own a Python with a 6 inch barrel. Unfortunately Pythons go for more bucks than I am willing to spend on a handgun.

Posted by: Reggie Love at December 15, 2013 07:00 AM (hpgw1)

106 Looks slick, but twice the price of the Kel-Tec, lots of plastic, and doesn't fold up like the Kel-Tec, which I find awesome. Space gun!

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 07:01 AM (doBIb)

107 101 - OK, so he's mentally ill. What are his friends' excuses?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 07:02 AM (celt+)

108 When a boatload of those Nagant revolvers were coming into the country in the '90s prices were low enough that the ammo--quite expensive--in the cylinder was approaching the value of the gun.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 15, 2013 07:04 AM (l3vZN)

109

Re:  66, why they don't make Pythons anymore?

 

This also goes to Vic at comment #1.

 

Answer is simple, but has a few layers.  Sorry Vic, the Python wasn't the best .357 ever made.  It was just the most beautiful.

 

 

Fact is though, that the frame it was developed from the Colt Police Positive, just simply wasn't robust enough to handle full-house .357 loads.  Couple thousand rounds in, and the firing pin bushing plate in the frame would be set back and peened into the frame by the rearward pressure exerted by the case head in recoil. 

 

 

This resulted in micro-fissures radiating out from the firing pin bushing, and thus ruin the frame.

 

 

S&W's vaunted Model 19 suffered a similar weakness, but around the frame area where the barrel screwed into the frame.  The K-frame, evolved from the S&W Model 10 M&P, just didn't have the beef in that area to handle the stresses. 

 

 

The "L" frame was S&W's answer to that problem.  (Mode 585, etc).  Added metal to the topstrap and barrel thread area, and made the cylinder a skosh larger in diameter, thus strengthening the chamber walls between chambers.  However, the lockwork was, and is, directly interchangeable with any K frame variant, as is the grip-frame, too.

 

Just to note, Colt's later guns, the Anaconda and Cobra, were derived from the larger, heavier Trooper Mk III frame, which itself dates back to the M-1917 Colt in .45 ACP.

 

 

The BEST .357 ever made, you ask?

 

 

The first, and original S&W .357 Registered Magnum guns, and the subsequent Model 27s, ending with the "-2"  series.  Once S&W got away from the pinned barrels and counterbored chambers, other things like the quality of polishing dropped, as did the degree of hand-tuning of the lockwork.

 

 

The other "BEST" .357, on a purely practical basis, would have to be the Ruger GP-100.  Not because it's beautiful.  It's not, though it isn't ugly.  Its because it's damn near indestructible, as per Ruger's norm. 

 

 

So, for perspective:  Python and S&W 19.  Love 'em, cherish 'em, shoot 'em a few times a year, as a tribute.  But go with the beefier .357s for the round count, and you won't go wrong.

 

And for you left handed folks out there?  Do be advised that Charter Arms makes a 5 shot snubbie, (roughly equivalent to S&W J frame), called the "Southpaw".  It's a mirror image gun, being entirely left-hand friendly. 

 

Hope this all helps!

 

 

 

 

Jim
Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: The Cats at December 15, 2013 07:04 AM (vvk2F)

110 Posted by: Megthered at December 15, 2013 10:59 AM (iR4Dg) Hmmm...tough situation.......I would let his "friends" know that I would hold them just as responsible should anything happen.

Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2013 07:05 AM (HtUkt)

111 I'm not really a gun "nut"; got the basics (handgun, hunting rifle, shotgun), but I just picked up a 1942 Mosin M91/30; fully functional.  Made in Russia for WWII, matching numbers including bayonet.  This is a beautiful (but heavy) gun.  And very affordable.  Holding history in your hands with this - wondering where its been, what action its seen, the front-line soldier who fought with it.  My best buy of the year.

Posted by: Sketchy at December 15, 2013 07:05 AM (7RHQv)

112 I'll throw in my additional recommendation for an Aimpoint. I have Aimpoint PROs on both of my "social" rifles, they've been mounted and turned on for 2 years now, batteries still going strong. The thing about both 5.56 and 7.62 NATO is that with their ballistics, you can hold dead center out to 300 yards and POI is all minute-of-DRT. The PRO comes with the QD mount (with surprisingly good return-to-zero) and lens caps. When turned up to 9, the dot is very bright and daytime usable. Even if it gets washed out by very bright sunlight, you have the capability to close the objective lens cover and, because you're running with both eyes open, the dot just superimposes over the vision from your other eye, so daytime/nighttime---it's great for both. I've seen them recently on sale for in the $350/$360-ish ranges. Couldn't recommend the PRO more.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 07:06 AM (Tjkt6)

113 #101  - nice rundown. And oh yeah, thanks for reminding me that I passed on a Wiley Clapp edition GP-100 a few months ago. Grrr.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 07:07 AM (celt+)

114 She is safe now but he was bailed out of jail by his parents and they are saying he is mentally ill.

Posted by: Megthered at December 15, 2013 10:59 AM (iR4Dg)

If he's "mentally ill" and actively threatening people with guns after stalking them, the man belongs in an institution. Sorry, enabling parents of this special snowflake, but your son has become a danger to society.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2013 07:09 AM (kMnHs)

115

Damn sock!  

 

Anyway, Vic.....not only was the Python the most beautiful .357 ever made, but it was also a time-sink at the factory, due to the extensive hand-fitting and tuning of that lovely action.

 

 

I still prefer the feel of how a Smith action stages and stacks, as compared to the Python.....but that's not to say that the Python wasn't smooth as oiled glass.... it was!

 

 

Like I said, an absolutely lovely gun, but just not a heavy duty shooter.

 

 

Oh, and y'all insert an ampersand into all my S AND W mentions, above.  I've yet to spring for the Platinum membership here.

 

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 15, 2013 07:09 AM (vvk2F)

116 I am in a bad way. I expect several thousand dollars next year to pay for birth of second baby. That means everything that is not necessary is not in the budget. That means range ammo. (I am making a frowny face right now) Who knew you could go into bullet withdrawal.

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 07:09 AM (jgusQ)

117 Jim of Galveston.... It sounds like you've shot before!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 15, 2013 07:09 AM (l3vZN)

118 111 - Congratulations. Everyone should have a Mosin-Nagant. Absurdly inexpensive, historically significant, brutally reliable and accurate.

Now you get to have the fun of researching the markings. Some M-Ns have a Rosetta Stone's worth of breech markings, and finding their meaning on the Internet is fun and easy.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 07:10 AM (celt+)

119 Posted by: Sketchy at December 15, 2013 11:05 AM (7RHQv)

The great thing about Mosins is that if the giant flame from the muzzle doesn't give your enemy a stroke, you can stab them with the bayonet from 100 meters.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2013 07:12 AM (LUkGY)

120 Ahh the Python. Rick Grimes sidearm of choice. Wish I could find/afford one

Posted by: Zakn at December 15, 2013 07:12 AM (zyaZ1)

121 I used to have a Polish M-N M44 Carbine. 7.62x54R out of a carbine? Quite the attention-getter at the range, lol. Stupid for ever getting rid of it (hated the folding bayonet, thought I was going to get a bayo-less M59 carbine...can't find one of them to save my life now *sigh*).

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 07:12 AM (Tjkt6)

122 Jim, I urge to go with the Platinum plan here at the Q, you'll never regret it.

Or notice the difference.


Posted by: kinlaw at December 15, 2013 07:13 AM (ruwkc)

123 @122

Should be "I urge you"

damn

Posted by: kinlaw at December 15, 2013 07:14 AM (ruwkc)

124 BTW, Sketchy, it's obligatory when speaking of one's M-N to specify year, arsenal and receiver type. For example, "I just picked up a 1935 hex-side Tula..."

We'll let you slide this time because you're new.   ;-)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 07:14 AM (celt+)

125 What say you about Para Ord 1911's? Good? Crap?

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 07:15 AM (doBIb)

126 Not so much as a shooter but as a collectable I have a MK 760 grease gun in semi auto. It's a cool gun but heavy IMO.

Here's a link to some images.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_93/834227_.html

Posted by: The Hickster at December 15, 2013 07:16 AM (TI3xG)

127 Got a how-do-I-kill-it question.

Got a feral pig problem on my new property.   "Weapons free" rules of engagement on the bastids around here, but... which weapon?

One fellow I know apparently has had issues with feral pigs and Russian boar.  His suggestion, quote, ".300 WinMag to put them down and a .44 Magnum to put them down again when they get up and charge you.

Another guy I know just snorts and brags about putting them down with .22's and .25 ACP

I've currently got the .44 Mag; is that sufficient with factory 240 grain HP or do I need to go to heavier game bullets?

Looking at a Moisin-Nagant for bacon rifle.  Realistically won't be doing all that much other hunting and from what I read the critter won't know it from  a .30-06 at its end.

Local shop has a Mossberg AR clone for around $800.  Decent price?


Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 07:18 AM (XO6WW)

128 Posted by: Sketchy at December 15, 2013 11:05 AM (7RHQv) They're damn fun. '43 Izhevsk here.

Posted by: RWC at December 15, 2013 07:18 AM (Q6HBD)

129 28 The Rossi .38Sp 5 shot seems to work just fine for pp. Posted by: Infidel I bought rossi 357 snubby because wtf, it's cheap and if doesn't work I can get rid of it. Except, it's awesome! I loved it so much and it's been reliable and accurate as Hell, that it's become my carry gun at home. Front right pocket in a holster anytime I am home. (.40 compact in a iwb is out on the town peace)

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 07:18 AM (jgusQ)

130 125 What say you about Para Ord 1911's?

Good? Crap?

My gunsmith in LA before I left the state didn't like to work on them; especially didn't like the extractor, for what that's worth.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 07:19 AM (XO6WW)

131
Posted by: Sketchy at December 15, 2013 11:05 AM (7RHQv)







Mosins are a hell of a lot of fun. But for the historical factor, the Finn Mosins are even more interesting, IMO. All Finns have served with at LEAST two different armies from two different nations. And there's an almost 100% chance with a Finn that she was used on the battlefield to shoot either Nazis or Commies in the face. Often times, both.

And that just warms my evil, black heart.

The down side is that they're more expensive than the 91/30s, generally around $350-400 a pop. But they're even more accurate than the Russians. Damned tack drivers. About the only way to get a more accurate milsurp is with the Swiss K rifles (K11, K31 etc).

Picked up my antique (1896) unissued 1968 refurb Finn M39 from the Burns family several years ago, and it's my favorite rifle to shoot. Bar none. They don't have any more antiques, but they still have decent shooters available to CandR holders and FFLs.

http://www.gunsnammo.com/

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 07:22 AM (MBqvE)

132 But for the historical factor, the Finn Mosins are even more interesting, IMO. All Finns have served with at LEAST two different armies from two different nations. And there's an almost 100% chance with a Finn that she was used on the battlefield to shoot either Nazis or Commies in the face. Often times, both. Simo Hayha FTW.

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 07:23 AM (doBIb)

133 Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 11:18 AM (XO6WW)

Depending on how much open land you have..and how much budget you have, I know a guy that uses one of these for anti-porcine operations on his family's peanut farm: http://50bmgstore.com/ai50bmg.htm


He sets up on a small levee at one end of the field and pops them from 700-1000 meters out.  Says because of the distance, they don't usually spook and he can get up to ten of them before they figure out something is amiss and take off.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2013 07:23 AM (LUkGY)

134 I have tiny hands and have a hard time racking the slide on a semi-automatic. Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius a Have you tried a glock? My wife finally settled on that after trying many others, she had same issue as you. Btw, it's our only glock (it's a g22) but every single person who shoots it (male or female) falls in love with it.

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 07:24 AM (jgusQ)

135 Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 11:23 AM (doBIb)

http://satwcomic.com/coffee-thief

Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2013 07:25 AM (LUkGY)

136 127 - Richard, I'm not a hunter, but from what I've read about hogs and from the factory "hog guns" I've seen, a Mosin-Nagant seems like it would fit the bill. I'd practice bolt throws with that somewhat awkward straight bolt, but aside from that, the cartridge is more than capable and the sights are excellent.

Is your .44 a rifle or a handgun? If it's a handgun, that would be a great back-up to the M-N if the little piggy charges. That's another nice thing about the M-N - you can drop it when you reach for the revolver.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 07:26 AM (celt+)

137 BignJames , I'm in Orangeburg county .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 07:26 AM (WK8VM)

138 I have tiny hands and have a hard time racking the slide on a semi-automatic.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius a


Try a Sig-Sauer; smooth as a baby's butt for the slide, and the nicest trigger pull you will ever experience.

I let people fire off a few rounds with my  P228 at the range anytime I was there, and everyone was just floored by it.

Besides, the Seals use them. Nuff said.

Posted by: kinlaw at December 15, 2013 07:30 AM (ruwkc)

139 Megthered , man , that really sucks . Hope it works out for you guys ,especially the kids .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 07:30 AM (WK8VM)

140 >>>Anyone have or played with a Kel Tec Sub 2000? Get it. Now. Pick whichever flavor allows mag sharing your favorite pistol, and just buy it. I'm headed to the gym, but send me an email if you want to discuss further. My nic at gmail.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 15, 2013 07:30 AM (eQJwb)

141 No doubt that this 18 Year Old's judgment would've been sound enough to vote for the (D) in the next election. I fucking hate these idiots.

Posted by: West Town at December 15, 2013 07:30 AM (V8Hba)

142
Simo Hayha FTW.

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 11:23 AM (doBIb)









Word.

Hayha's Badass of the Week entry. Written with only a SLIGHT bit of hyperbole. Really.

http://tinyurl.com/mhc8ywo

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 07:31 AM (MBqvE)

143 Jim @ 109 The first, and original SW .357 Registered Magnum guns, and the subsequent Model 27s, ending with the "-2" series. Once SW got away from the pinned barrels and counterbored chambers, other things like the quality of polishing dropped, as did the degree of hand-tuning of the lockwork. The 2 series? My SW 357 is a 66-2 is that what you are talking about? So I have a good one?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 07:32 AM (0FSuD)

144 Any deer rifle caliber should work for hogs . Put a round in the boiler room , cardio vascular system shuts down shortly thereafter ..

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 07:34 AM (WK8VM)

145
Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 11:23 AM (doBIb)

http://satwcomic.com/coffee-thief

Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2013 11:25 AM (LUkGY)










*snort*

Even funnier is that the "nice shot" guy is Swiss.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 07:35 AM (MBqvE)

146 How many of these "adult" writers actually understand what "Socialism" means? They seem to be caught in a juvenile loop themselves.

Posted by: West Town at December 15, 2013 07:35 AM (V8Hba)

147 Try a Sig-Sauer; smooth as a baby's butt for the slide, and the nicest trigger pull you will ever experience. I let people fire off a few rounds with my P228 at the range anytime I was there, and everyone was just floored by it. Besides, the Seals use them. Nuff said. Posted by: kinlaw at December 15, 2013 11:30 AM (ruwkc) The nicest thing about them? They are so inexpensive. HA HA!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 07:36 AM (0FSuD)

148 After hearing about how much ass Häyhä was kicking out on the frozen tundra of eastern Finland with an antiquated bolt-action piece-of-shit rifle, the Finnish High Command decided to give him a special award: a custom-built Sako M2/28-30 Sniper Rifle of Headshots +3. LOL!!!!

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 07:36 AM (doBIb)

149 #136 Uberti "Callahan" Single Action.  It's a beefed-up frame and cylinder, looks a lot like the old Ruger Blackhawk.  Got a nice El Paso rig for it.

It's chambered for .44 Mag but it's really a .44 Mag with privileges, IYKWIMAITYD.  I put about 350 full-bore rounds through it and it was Loc-Tite time, like with the original Model 29.  Accurate, though.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 07:37 AM (XO6WW)

150
Best .357 revolver?

Probably the Manurhin MR 73 -- if you can afford one.

Look it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manurhin_MR_73

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 15, 2013 07:38 AM (tOkJB)

151 #133 I've got 10.11 acres. pretty much in a straight line.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 07:39 AM (XO6WW)

152 The nicest thing about them? They are so inexpensive. HA HA! What is the deal with these euro guns! Years ago, I bought a USP and 229 for around 5 bills each. There's no way I'd pay a grand for them now. It's not a shortage or panic anymore, so what gives?

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 07:40 AM (doBIb)

153 127 Got a how-do-I-kill-it question. Got a feral pig problem. If you really want to get rid of them, one at a time will be difficult. Make a catch pen and get a bunch at once. Put out feed corn, get them used to coming to eat for a couple weeks, put up a four foot high side of a pen, couple more weeks, one more side, repeat until you have a four sided pen with an opening for them to walk in and out. Now you put a trap door that will swing into the pen to allow entry, but not out. They are used to eating there and acclimated to the pen and will walk right in. When you get a bunch penned up you can take them out any way you want.

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 07:41 AM (jgusQ)

154 Someone earlier made a comment about Ruger shit being made to last? Here's a great story. Son was a shotgun instructor at Philmont National Scout Ranch. They had three red label 12 ga over and unders. Two they used and one as a back up if they need it. He said they shot those guns everyday for 100 days and at least 10,000 rounds and the damn things never broke and were just as tight at the day they got them. They were off the rack field grade guns. That's a testimony.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 07:42 AM (0FSuD)

155 traye , Step 2 : Moron BBQ !!

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 07:42 AM (WK8VM)

156 What is the deal with these euro guns! Years ago, I bought a USP and 229 for around 5 bills each. There's no way I'd pay a grand for them now. It's not a shortage or panic anymore, so what gives? Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 11:40 AM (doBIb) Exchange rate. Obama dollars are not worth shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 07:43 AM (0FSuD)

157 @147 & 152

my 228 was 600 in 1998


Posted by: kinlaw at December 15, 2013 07:43 AM (ruwkc)

158 Exchange rate. Obama dollars are not worth shit. *throws hands up* Fuck....

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 07:44 AM (doBIb)

159 On the porcines, shot placement is everything (like in all hunting). Learn the anatomy, they have really tough shoulders and vitals are a bit further south than on deer. Lotsa folks use the earhole for the aim point, DRT. less meat damage, too. Standard deer calibers should work, no need for magnums or big bores. Unless you're talking Hogzilla.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 07:46 AM (Tjkt6)

160 I had a .357 Python in Viet Nam as my emergency piece. What a fine handgun.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at December 15, 2013 07:46 AM (Yv5v6)

161
Oh -- and I lusted for a Colt Python at a local gun store for probably a year while in my 20s. I could still kick myself in the ass for not buying it if only for the resale value.

And as for revolvers locking up tight? The old Smith+Wessons were pretty damned good. I've got a 50+ year old Model 15 (Combat Masterpiece) that locks up like a bank vault.

The first time my Dad let me shoot it on my own he gave me a couple of ancient boxes of my grandfather's reloads. A former State Trooper and RR cop, he loaded them hot! Like hotter than +P+. The Model 15 ate them up like candy with no stuck cartridges. They must've made better brass back then, too.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 15, 2013 07:46 AM (tOkJB)

162 Wait, what about Glock? Their prices have been stable for a long time. How come they haven't been jacked up?

Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 07:47 AM (doBIb)

163 I didn't include the bbq, because being from NC that really does go without saying. Here in senc, there is a unique way of getting pigs. They like the swamp streams so guys go in with two man team in canoe, front guy is shooter, back guy is paddler. Jump the pigs around stream bends. I haven't done it, but a doctor friend gets a bunch like that.

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 07:48 AM (jgusQ)

164 I can't let a thread go by asking for recommendations without suggesting a CZ. Right, TT?

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 07:49 AM (Tjkt6)

165
Rugers made to last?

I asked some PA State Troopers how they liked their Ruger .357 service revolvers.

They said they were okay but their forcing cones wore out too quickly.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 15, 2013 07:51 AM (tOkJB)

166 @163 Wow that sounds like fun. I have jumped ducks down East on the Tar River, but never hogs.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 07:51 AM (0FSuD)

167 I have jumped wood ducks not pigs though. Someday I will have time. Someday.

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 07:54 AM (jgusQ)

168 @165 I guess they put more into a shotgun? I finally broke down and bought a Ruger 22 Mark III hunter. I have always wanted one. Can't wait to get it, son bought it in ATL.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 07:54 AM (0FSuD)

169 Hey Traye, I hear Columbus County game lands have pigs. Trying to get another Moron from Raleigh to head down there after the first of the year.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 07:55 AM (Tjkt6)

170 Their prices have been stable for a long time. How come they haven't been jacked up? Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 11:47 AM (doBIb) Sigs have more steel. Glock has started making some guns in GA, cheaper than Austria. http://tinyurl.com/q5eexdc

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 15, 2013 08:01 AM (0FSuD)

171 Posted by: EC at December 15, 2013 11:47 AM (doBIb)

Probably has something to do with their operation in Smyrna, GA.  Although, I'm not sure how.  I do know that Glock goes out of its way to be affordable and accessible.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2013 08:01 AM (LUkGY)

172 Basically all of senc is covered in feral pigs. Hurricane Floyd killed or freed the entire commercial herd. For those who don't know, that storm was water of biblical proportions. Pigs either swam to high ground or downed. Now they are tasty free range bbq.

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 08:02 AM (jgusQ)

173 I own a pair of Pythons, one from the 1970s and one from the early 1980s.  The actions are butter smooth, with wonderful triggers.  Bought one for $900 (a 6" blued job with the faintest outline of a cylinder drag line), and that was a bargain.  The second is the later model, stainless, also 6" and was purchased new in box.  I'm never selling it, so they both have been fired.  Not a believer in safe queen guns.  They're meant to be shot.  (I make an exception for guns intended to be displayed.) 

Better than any revolver I've ever fired.  They're just in a class by themselves.

Posted by: SARDiver at December 15, 2013 08:08 AM (LgxPj)

174 164 I can't let a thread go by asking for recommendations without suggesting a CZ. Right, TT?

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How do you say "F***in' A" in Czech?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 08:13 AM (celt+)

175 #153 Thanks.  But this area is swarming with the bastards.  Any chance they're bright enough to recognize the smell of dead pig and avoid after a while....

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 08:14 AM (XO6WW)

176 Problem is finding somewhere FREE in NC to hunt piggies. At least if'n yer not a SENC local.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 08:16 AM (Tjkt6)

177 #149 #136 That should have been .44 SPECIAL with privileges.  My bad.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 08:16 AM (XO6WW)

178 Posted by: Megthered at December 15, 2013 10:59 AM (iR4Dg) holy shit....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at December 15, 2013 08:19 AM (u8GsB)

179 137 BignJames , I'm in Orangeburg county . Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 11:26 AM (WK8VM) I'm southern Spartanburg Co.

Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2013 08:22 AM (HtUkt)

180 149  Got a nice El Paso rig for it.

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I went with El Paso myself for a couple of holsters for my Vaqueros, along with a belt and a couple of cap-and-ball holsters. Reasonable prices, and I just like knowing I bought from the same place as George S. by-God Patton. Four month wait, though.

My only beef is that the .44/.45 cartridge loops on my Wes Hardin holster are so tight I scratched up the finish trying to jam the rounds in them. I need to write to EPS and ask what I can use to touch up the finish.

They've had some nice 20% off holiday sales recently. I think you need to be signed up for e-mail alerts.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 08:26 AM (celt+)

181

OMG i get a call out in an actual post and I'm late to the damn thread.

Embarassing.

Thanks to everyone for their input, i appreciate it.

And as for this:  "Gift for my BF" "We have an AR" Riiiiiiight. I know how this goes, I had the same thing happen with a leather jacket once.

Yeah - one of my very own is on MY Christmas list.

Also - a 686 was the very first  gun I ever bought, after moving from NYC to TN.  I'll never forget how it felt to finally be able to own one.  It's still the one I keep in my bedside table, because even though I've overcome my problems racking a slide (push down, don't pull back!!), I still feel like a wheel gun is a better bet for me when something goes bump in themiddle of the night.

Maureen

Posted by: Maureen at December 15, 2013 08:34 AM (3htdE)

182

Newest addition is a full sized 1911 Rock Island Arms.

 

Parkerized with wood grips. Looks great. Price was great.

 

Found .45ACP at Wal-Mart for $20 a box of 50. Ran 50 rounds with no problems.

Posted by: Frankly at December 15, 2013 08:36 AM (d+YnQ)

183 I hear nothing but good things about those RIA 1911s.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 08:38 AM (celt+)

184 183 I hear nothing but good things about those RIA 1911s. Ditto.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 08:44 AM (Tjkt6)

185

81 That is very not correct.  I had 2 dpms 308 uppers in for warranty repairs for over a year.  dpms 308's are notorious for feed issues unless they have M4 feedramps.  I haven't had any probs w/ dpms 223 stuff.  CMMG is the lick on 308 AR's

Spike's is mil-spec.  Dpms is cheap. RR I believe is made by dpms.

I wouldn't change buffers unless i was trying to solve a problem and i wouldn't know that without putting hundreds of rounds through it at least.

The key to racking semi-auto pistol slides is the Brass Stacker.  Guaranteed.  Look it up.

Posted by: DAve at December 15, 2013 08:57 AM (b7yum)

186 She is safe now but he was bailed out of jail by his parents and they are saying he is mentally ill.

Posted by: Megthered at December 15, 2013 10:59 AM (iR4Dg)


If he's "mentally ill" and actively threatening people with guns after stalking them, the man belongs in an institution. Sorry, enabling parents of this special snowflake, but your son has become a danger to society.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2013 11:09 AM (kMnHs)


And it is situations like this which make all the gun laws in the world useless. Here is a guy, that by any reasonable standard, should have all his guns taken away, and his ass thrown into a mental hospital until he can be sorted out. Now maybe the cops seized his guns after this last episode, but if he is on the loose, he can get more, illegally, of course. And if he manages to kill or injure somebody, all the damn stupid liberals will blame it on "insufficient gun laws", when the real issue is lack of custodial care for mental cases.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 15, 2013 08:58 AM (60Q+L)

187 Questions on the SIG 228:  It was my impression that they stopped making them and now they are making 229s instead.  Is this wrong?  I took the Number 2 daughter shooting at a place where we rented a number of guns and the 228 is the one she fell in love with.  She shot much better with it than anything else and she said that it just felt right.


My plan, when I get on top of my finances, is to buy her one but 229s are a lot more available than 228s. 


For those contemplating a revolver, look at police trade ins.  You used to be able to get a S and W model 10 for about $100 when police agencies were trading in their revolvers for autos.  The thing about police revolvers is that many police departments have armorers and in order to keep themselves busy, they would often polish up the internal parts of the pistols so that you can often find a butter smooth double action that is a lot better than factory new. 

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at December 15, 2013 09:01 AM (BcCwi)

188 #180 Got mine in about three weeks.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 15, 2013 09:02 AM (XO6WW)

189 any suggestions for a caliber for your first bolt action rifle. just for targets mostly maybe some hunting. no reloading for me

Posted by: da cards at December 15, 2013 09:06 AM (aeZx0)

190
I hear nothing but good things about those RIA 1911s.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 12:38 PM (celt+)









Love my RIA, but it took a little tweeking to get right. Seriously excess extractor tension turned a good gun into a jam-o-matic. Which is probably why the previous owner sold it back to the LGS where I picked it up. Once I corrected the extractor (also, the hook wasn't properly profiled and polished), reliable as a sunrise. One more thing, the older RIAs tend to have more sharp edges that need some attention from a fine file and some sandpaper.

Every well-armed American should have at least one 1911 in the safe, chambered in 45 Auto, even if it's a safe queen. And every 1911 enthusiast should have one Filipino 1911, just for the history.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 09:10 AM (MBqvE)

191 da cards , .308 , 270 , ought six , not necessarily in that order .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 09:10 AM (WK8VM)

192 Posted by: Maureen at December 15, 2013 12:34 PM (3htdE) I have looked at EO Tech optical sights. look nice but are $500

Posted by: da cards at December 15, 2013 09:13 AM (aeZx0)

193 189 223 or 308

Posted by: DAve at December 15, 2013 09:16 AM (b7yum)

194 .308 , 270 , ought six , not necessarily in that order . Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 01:10 PM (WK8VM) what about .223? Seems cheap to shoot compared to some of the others

Posted by: da cards at December 15, 2013 09:16 AM (aeZx0)

195 189 Ruger American Rifle or Savage Axis.  Ruger is better.

Posted by: DAve at December 15, 2013 09:17 AM (b7yum)

196 194 223 MUCH cheaper to shoot. Cheaper=more shooting

Posted by: DAve at December 15, 2013 09:18 AM (b7yum)

197 12 Posted by: Ian S. at December 15, 2013 09:59 AM (102Hx) Notice the good trigger control? I love that ad, although in the real world most people would have fired. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2013 10:03 AM (QFxY5) Yea, right when the crook bursts through the door I always yell "Blow him the fuck away!". Why? Because that's what I would want my wife or daughter or mother to do in that situation. Dead men pose no threat. Does that make me a violent gun nut? I don't think so, I don't carry guns down the street looking for trouble, nor do I want to blow away that asshole who cut me off on the beltway yesterday (much ), nor do I want to go all Charles Bronson on NYC. But. But. I recognize that it's a violent, imperfect world, filled with violent, imperfect humans, and I think it would be a much better one if people seeking to do harm to others knew that they had a high risk of getting 230 grains of lead in their thinker, do not pass go, go directly to dead. Would those dead people be a tragedy and a loss to their loved ones? Absolutely. No doubt. However, they would be dead as a result of their own choice, their own actions, their attempt to harm another person. Does that make me bloodthirsty, or practical?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 15, 2013 09:22 AM (N/cFh)

198 Ruger American Rifle or Savage Axis. Ruger is better. Posted by: DAve at December 15, 2013 01:17 PM (b7yum) what about the Remington 700 AACSD. Heavy barrel, stock upgrade, for $800

Posted by: da cards at December 15, 2013 09:22 AM (aeZx0)

199 Hey Traye, I hear Columbus County game lands have pigs. Trying to get another Moron from Raleigh to head down there after the first of the year.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 11:55 AM (Tjkt6)




ahem...I know a moron from the Raleigh area who would be glad to go pop a few pigs...just sayin'...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 15, 2013 09:26 AM (yh0zB)

200 any suggestions for a caliber for your first bolt action rifle. just for targets mostly maybe some hunting.

no reloading for me

Posted by: da cards at December 15, 2013 01:06 PM (aeZx0)




7.62x54R. Can't beat the target ammo prices.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 15, 2013 09:28 AM (yh0zB)

201

198 Very very wonderful if you have the money.  But that is twice the $$$ of what I mentioned.

You have my blessing. 308 for that

223 good for prairie dogs and coyotes

Posted by: DAve at December 15, 2013 09:29 AM (b7yum)

202 "Make a catch pen and get a bunch at once. "

That also works for LIVs.

Posted by: navybrat at December 15, 2013 09:30 AM (AW7Gr)

203 Does that make me bloodthirsty, or practical?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 15, 2013 01:22 PM (N/cFh)




Practical. That's the thing that always pisses me off about those ADT commercials, some asshole kicks in Sweet Young Thing's door and finds her fresh from the shower and wrapped only in a towel, and he's going to run away because some disembodied voice on a speaker tells him to? Right!  High speed lead injection, center mass, is a much more effective deterrent IMO.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 15, 2013 09:31 AM (yh0zB)

204 Off to get stuff to make chili. BBL.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 15, 2013 09:32 AM (yh0zB)

205 I bought a Bond Arms Snake Slayer last week and it has moved to the head of the list as my favorite weapon. It is machined out of stainless and is an over/under Derringer .  Mine is chambered in .45 Colt/ 410  with a 3.5 inch barrel and can shoot buckshot and rifled slug as well as shot loads.  The .45 Colt is an old time asskicker and I have a cross draw holster on the way for concealed carry and vehicle use. I bicycle and walk the woods about every day in the summer ( Pennsylvania) and have come across both snakes and rabid critters enough that it will be a handy and useful carry.

Posted by: Haze Gray at December 15, 2013 09:40 AM (oDybj)

206 185 81 That is very not correct. Eh, not flacking for DPMS or RRA, just that I've heard much less complaints regarding the 308s than the 223s. I've also had a RRA LAR-8 Midlength, that thing shot like gangbusters, only sold it to fund a pickup truck, and it sits at the top of my Sale Regrets list. No doubt there are Wilson Combat, Lewis, Noveske, etc failure anecdotes too. Although probably their warranty service was handled much better, lol. Been eyeballing an R25 (also made by DPMS), because it would be boner-worthy to own an AR platform in .243 or 7mm-08, if nothing other than for boner's-sake.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 09:41 AM (Tjkt6)

207 GGE, forgot you were up here, we should head down to the gamelands next year, then! Trying to find a good hunting round that feeds in my FAL, which is my "hog rifle" until I pick up my CZ 550 FS .308 for my birthday in June.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 09:45 AM (Tjkt6)

208
Practical. That's the thing that always pisses me off about those ADT commercials, some asshole kicks in Sweet Young Thing's door and finds her fresh from the shower and wrapped only in a towel, and he's going to run away because some disembodied voice on a speaker tells him to? Right! High speed lead injection, center mass, is a much more effective deterrent IMO.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 15, 2013 01:31 PM (yh0zB)








Word.

Even worse is that when cops respond to burglar alarms, it's depressingly common for them to just drive by, shine a spotlight on the front of the house and then drive away with an "all clear" when they don't see any broken windows, open doors or criminals conveniently running away with a TV in their arms wearing Hamburglar masks. When I worked for an alarm company in the early 90s, we used to field customer complaints of exactly this type of police response to their alarms ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2013 09:46 AM (MBqvE)

209 http://tinyurl.com/lg4rvls

Yeah, after my stroke I lost strength in my left hand.  It was nearly impossible to rack some of my autos using strength.  So I started to 'punch' rack them.  Hold the slide with my left hand and push the gun forward sharply.

No troubles.

Posted by: Trainer's looking to join a Militia. at December 15, 2013 09:48 AM (7EbAY)

210 Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 01:45 PM (Tjkt6)

Where do you hunt hogs, and do you hunt them as vermin or for meat?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2013 09:53 AM (QFxY5)

211 AlbertaOilPeon, Yes, this really makes me crazy. We know he will get more guns and it's only a matter of time until he shows up at our door. He has been coddled all of his life and now his family doesn't want to take responsibility that they enabled this creature. We will do what we have to do to keep our family safe.

Posted by: Megthered at December 15, 2013 09:56 AM (iR4Dg)

212 209 You'd do better with THIS:  http://tinyurl.com/lkrhbrp

Posted by: DAve at December 15, 2013 09:57 AM (b7yum)

213 Posted by: Megthered at December 15, 2013 01:56 PM (iR4Dg) whoa! does your daughter work? if so her travels to and from would be something to be careful of

Posted by: hutch at December 15, 2013 10:00 AM (aeZx0)

214 Two weeks ago, I received a 1911 holster created by awkward davies and I am here to briefly review it. Let it be known that I am not an expert with holsters, so I may be totally full of crap. That said, I am thoroughly impressed with his work. I've uploaded some relevant photos to the AoS Yahoo group. The first thought I had upon unpacking it is, "Solid." This thing is not going to fall apart with rigorous use. Ever. Davies mentioned in his e-mail to me to not expect perfect machine precision due to the fact that he's sewn this piece by hand. I, personally, can find no fault with his precision upon a close inspection, though. It is top notch. My only criticism may be in contradiction of my initial praise of sturdiness. Upon drawing my pistol, I would rather my index finger be as close as possible to the frame. Yet, a nice hefty chunk of gator skin kinda gets in the way of that and my finger is farther from the frame than I'd prefer. It's certainly not a deal-breaker, though. In conclusion: davies makes a great holster.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 15, 2013 10:01 AM (e4elg)

215 210I haven't yet, I refuse to pay for a hog hunt, and it's like some Freakin' State Sekret around here when folks have found a place to hunt em. I just recently found out about the Columbus County Gamelands, so that's where I'm looking to head over the next couple of months. Oh, and it'll be for meat. I wish I liked venison, but I...just don't. Which is why I'm so horny for hogs.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 10:01 AM (Tjkt6)

216 Oedipus, come down after New year's and do some scouting, there are several smaller game lands down here, and I am almost positive they all have pigs. The terrain here is ideal for them. I have even found sign right here inside Wilmington. Just not in my neighborhood, (dang it).

Posted by: traye at December 15, 2013 10:10 AM (Q5Cx0)

217 200

7.62x54R. Can't beat the target ammo prices.


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 15, 2013 01:28 PM (yh0zB)


I'm ashamed to say that I've still yet to de-cosmoline my Nagants that I purchased many months ago and take them to the range. I did finally fire my Saiga 12 last week, though, and the magnum loads I put through it were enough to simulate the brutality of the 54R against my shoulder.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 15, 2013 10:12 AM (e4elg)

218 Thanks, Traye, I may take you up on that. I need to get to the range and test out a good hunting round that my FAL with cycle (I'm sitting on a mound of Federal .308, but the FAL was designed to feed ball and the fat soft points of the Federal choke on the feed ramps...trying out Remington Core-Lokt and some ballistic-tipped stuff next range trip, hope to find one that won't choke the FAL).

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 10:13 AM (Tjkt6)

219 Thanks for the revue Sandra Fluke . I've found that the gator helps to reinforce the mouth of the holster , especially after long use . I hope you're able to get used to the new feel . Best wishes , awkward

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 10:59 AM (WK8VM)

220 Oedipus , try Winchester Supremes with the Nosler ballistic tip . Should feed pretty slick in a semi auto .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 15, 2013 11:01 AM (WK8VM)

221 Hutch, She had to quit her job. It was too risky for her and for them. Great job but they understood the situation. She's going to finish up some projects on the computer and maybe she can freelance with them like that for a while.

Posted by: megthered at December 15, 2013 11:07 AM (y9dfJ)

222 it would be boner-worthy to own an AR platform in .243 or 7mm-08, if nothing other than for boner's-sake. Posted by: Oedipus

-------------------

Thank you, Oedipus, for providing the self-justification I have been lacking for most of my firearms purchases.

I've got a Hi-Power and an M9, why the hell did I need a CZ-75?

For boner's sake!

I have an MP15 Sport, why the hell did I need to cannibalize it to build two AR's?

For boner's sake!

I have two Mosin-Nagant rifles, why the hell did I buy two more just because the receiver and markings were slightly different?

For boner's sake!

Damn, I feel better.




Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 15, 2013 11:22 AM (celt+)

223 Awkward Davies, thanks for the recommendation, I will see if I can find some locally and throw that into the mix before the range trip. I've picked up some 150gr Remington Core-Lokt (guys over on the FALFiles all swear those feed in theirs just fine, so figured I'd give that a go), some 165gr Federal Premium Vital-Shok and some 168gr Barnes Vortex so far. It's an Imbel barrel with a 1 in 12" twist rate, so the 16x-gr stuff is probably about as heavy as it's going to want to stabilize.

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 11:28 AM (Tjkt6)

224 LOL, TT. Just doin' my part!

Posted by: Oedipus at December 15, 2013 11:29 AM (Tjkt6)

225

Is this thread still alive? 

What do you morons know about Taurus handguns?  They are so cheap... is this because they suck or are they worth it?

Posted by: dan-O at December 16, 2013 05:57 AM (D0bIN)

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