March 10, 2013

Gun Thread (3-10-2013)
— andy

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Above-the-post Update: NRA Life Memberships are $300 until April 16th. (h/t 'Laurie David's Cervix' in the comments)

Gabrielle Giffords' Husband Doesn't Want You To Have An AR-15

But he apparently bought one for himself completely by accident on the way out of a gun store. Or something. Maybe they were just on his mind since he's been talking about how evil they are.

Mark E. Kelly, gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an "assault weapon," he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.

The related Facebook post of his, made after he knew he'd been caught, is hilarious.

Looks like the judiciary committee will vote on background checks next week. I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a 45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes. I don't have possession yet but I'll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do. Scary to think of people buying guns like these without a background check at a gun show or the Internet. We really need to close the gun show and private seller loop hole.

Wow. I guess when they set up the "instant background check" system, they really meant "instant". I know that's unexpected for the government, but it actually does perform as advertised most of the time.

Is Kelly saying there's something in his background a longer check would uncover? Is he saying that a background check for an "assault weapon" should be different than one for a handgun? I mean, he only has one background and I'm really struggling to understand the problem with a system that should indicate he was clear to buy the guns returning the correct answer too quickly.

Oh, wait ... he's just an asshat throwing out a weaselly excuse after he got caught doing something he now finds embarrassing. Got it.


Do NOT Stray From The Plantation

Your average black guy can't be a 2nd Amendment supporter, says a rich, black, liberal guy.

Colion Noir, a young African American who is conservative and pro-gun, is the National Rifle Association's newest spokesman, but apparently this has proven too much for rap and entertainment mogul Russell Simmons.

I'm sorry. Mr. Simmons, that the uppity Mr. Noir apparently doesn't find life on the left's plantation all that fulfilling.


Gun Of The Week

(answer below) Marksmanship Award


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Gun Of The Week - Answer

What a beautiful piece. That's the Remington Model 81 (or Model . They made them in .35 Remington, .300 Savage and some other now-obsolete rimless cartridge chamberings. Three guesses on who designed this one, and the first two don't count.


Who Needs Guns When You Have A Loving Government?

Ahh, liberal historians. Forever ignoring the outcomes to make ... a ... point? I guess?

In his State of the Union speech in January 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt declared America's commitment to Four Freedoms in the struggle against Nazi totalitarianism. Among them was the freedom from fear. If Roosevelt were alive today, I believe that he'd ask the nation to rededicate itself to that freedom. Surely, Roosevelt would recognize the fear of Second Amendment advocates who worry about a government turned against them. Such a tyranny was the force in moving FDR to make that speech.

Because the founding fathers totally didn't fear big government over all else.

Be sure to read that whole thing. It's a nice ode to the benevolence of the state that just wants everything good and right for you, citizen 123456.

Samuel Adams summed up my thoughts on Dallek and his ilk long ago.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.

We simply can't inhabit a common country with these people anymore.


More Colion Noir

Watch the NRA's newest spokesman make way too much sense for a Russell Simmons def jam:

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Posted by: andy at 10:00 AM | Comments (232)
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1 Okay.  'Fess up.   Who of the Horde is in the Maryland state senate?


http://bit.ly/13OO87E


That.   Is.  Awesome. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at March 10, 2013 10:03 AM (Gk3SS)

2 The whole gun rights thing sounds so simple when you just quote the constitution like that. It doesn't leave enough room for legal maneuvering. What were the founders thinking?

Posted by: .87c at March 10, 2013 10:05 AM (Lk+Qr)

3 Gabrielle, get rid of your husband.  He is a piece of garbage.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 10, 2013 10:06 AM (Jr9vG)

4

On the plus side, my reloading supplies (bullets) came in this week 3 weeks after ordering. Still waiting on the powder, which I ordered about 5 weeks ago. Primers are very tough to find on-line.

 

I have a deep suspicion that taxpayer money is being used somehow to dry up supplies. I have no proof other than believing that's how Obama's regime rolls.

Posted by: 141Driver at March 10, 2013 10:06 AM (zWChq)

5 Hey - I've got a question for you all. Anybody have some recommendations for gun safes? Decent models for long guns/shotguns, etc. Now that I've finally fled the People's Democratic Republic of Massachusetts I can finally get me some of those evil assault weapons and I'd like something to keep them safe and locked up with.

Posted by: Gaff at March 10, 2013 10:07 AM (iV8i3)

6 The State as a kind father?  Oh right, we are all Kulaks now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 10, 2013 10:07 AM (Jr9vG)

7 A buddy of mine here in NC found a disassembled pistol in the attic crawl space of his family's house. He recognized it as a gun that had been used by his parents to shoot rats around their old place in Dallas when he was a kid in the 50's. Cleaned it up a little and it turned out to be a Harrington and Richardson 9-shot .22 revolver made in my hometown of Worcester, MA back in 1953. He says he's going to give it to me once he has it "blued".

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2013 10:08 AM (ZshNr)

8 Dallek? The libs are Daleks! I knew it!

Posted by: Pope Cavil I, Cylon Catholic Church at March 10, 2013 10:09 AM (mbxHg)

9 Three guesses on who designed this one, and the first two don't count. Same guy who later designed the BFG9000. Doesn't EVERYONE know that?????

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 10, 2013 10:09 AM (MBqvE)

10 Colion Noir is very cool. Love his videos.

Posted by: Bubba from County at March 10, 2013 10:10 AM (3VhRQ)

11

5Hey - I've got a question for you all. Anybody have some recommendations for gun safes?

 

I have an old Cannon safe, and a new Bighorn I got last year from Costco. The Bighorn seems like more solid construction.

 

My advise to look for free shipping from Amazon or Costco,

Posted by: 141Driver at March 10, 2013 10:12 AM (zWChq)

12 I'm a happy Taro. The brown toy truck brought me the .32-20 Marlin 1894CL that I sent to Cody Conagher right after Christmas for an action job and an extended mag tube. The action was stiff and wouldn't feed more than three rounds without hanging up. Now she's slick as a Teflon eel.

I've got gunleather on order from El Paso Saddlery, now I just need a shotgun and I'll be ready for CAS this year.

Yippee-ki-yay, motherfornicators.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 10, 2013 10:14 AM (celt+)

13 John Moses Browning...Looks similar to the 1896

Posted by: Patrap at March 10, 2013 10:14 AM (1RXTZ)

14 Primers are very tough to find on-line. Posted by: 141Driver at March 10, 2013 02:06 PM (zWChq) One hard lesson that I'm taking to heart is stockpiling during the good times. I'm pretty good on powder, bullets and brass, but I neglected primers and 22LR, to my great chagrin. I've concluded that I need to keep a minimum of least a year's worth of practice ammo or components on hand to ward off panic times.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 10, 2013 10:14 AM (MBqvE)

15

Is he gonna display that gun with the action closed and his finger on the boom switch like that ignorant scrunt Feinstien?

 

I thought the gun looked like one of Browning's...

 

Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 10, 2013 10:15 AM (UrENZ)

16 Colion Noir, a young African American who is conservative and pro-gun, is the National Rifle Association's newest spokesman, but apparently this has proven too much for rap and entertainment mogul Russell Simmons.

That's rich, coming from a guy who's made his multimillions by producing songs glorifying gangstah lifestyles. Songs about shooting cops and busting a cap in a snitch are wonderful, but a black man working for the NRA is some sort of sellout

Posted by: kbdabear at March 10, 2013 10:16 AM (mCvL4)

17 Every time one of the gun grabbibg bastards calls the lack of background checks at a gun show a "loophole" I want to scream.  I am waiting for someone to ask one of them if their mother not having an abortion was a "loophole". 


This must be repeated every time they say it.  There is no loophole. Licensed dealers at gun show MUST do background checks.  The only people who do not is private one-on-one deals between individuals.


The LAW never intended for there to be background checks there.

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 10:18 AM (53z96)

18 So if what Mr Kelly claims is true and he did buy the firearm to turn it over, does this mean he lied on his federal form? This guy needs hit and hard. Drudge, Breitbart, Hannity, etc. I hope to see his tearful apology on Oprah before it's over. We need to get an interview with the clerk who sold it to him. Also, why was he buying the 1911 if guns are evil?

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 10:18 AM (CNuph)

19 Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.

***

Any similarity to the mainstream media is purely coincidental.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 10, 2013 10:19 AM (VlXYw)

20 Kelly buying an evil "assault" rifle  is sort of the same as Pete Townsand looking at child pornography for "research"

These bastards must be confronted with their bullshit!

Posted by: General Woundwort at March 10, 2013 10:19 AM (zOP5o)

21 He buys a gun to show that you can buy a gun? I hope never never becomes against underage prostitution.

Posted by: Whatev at March 10, 2013 10:19 AM (A7Wh1)

22 Oh on the Gabby Hubby shit.  The article I linked to this morning said he said he wasn't going to keep it. So inevitably the question is, was he doing a strawman purchase which is a felony?

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 10:19 AM (53z96)

23 These elitist journalists just can't fathom that their dinner party companions working for the government would EVER abuse their power.

Just like journalists couldn't fathom that their suave and urbane friends working for Chavez, Castro, Saddam, Assad, or Khadafi fapped to secret police torture videos


Posted by: kbdabear at March 10, 2013 10:21 AM (mCvL4)

24

14  I've concluded that I need to keep a minimum of least a year's worth of practice ammo or components on hand to ward off panic times.

 

My wife and I go target shooting often. A year's worth would be a LOT.

Posted by: 141Driver at March 10, 2013 10:21 AM (zWChq)

25 OT: China Menaced by Exploding Condoms Warning, ads at link are NSFW http://tinyurl.com/any36xs

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 10, 2013 10:23 AM (Vk2pI)

26 Colion Noir, a young African American who is conservative and pro-gun, is the National Rifle Association's newest spokesman, but apparently this has proven too much for rap and entertainment mogul Russell Simmons.

***

I always refer my deepest moral, legal, and intellectual quandaries to the rap industry.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 10, 2013 10:24 AM (VlXYw)

27 Nice choice for "Gun of The Week."

here's some more info:

http://tinyurl.com/agvwzaz

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 10:24 AM (3Mkrp)

28 Hey - I've got a question for you all. Anybody have some recommendations for gun safes? I have a Liberty Centurion from Lowes. Relatively inexpensive for a decent quality fire-rated safe. As important as the type and quality of the safe is the location you choose and the method of securing the safe. A safe is pretty much useless against theft if it's not bolted to the foundation. Plus, if you put it in the corner in the right way, you can make it extremely difficult for a burglar to pry the door. And you should also place the safe in a hidden location. If possible, within another cabinet or false wall. I use a large metal storage cabinet with the back and shelves cut out. Hides the safe quite nicely in the shop.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 10, 2013 10:24 AM (MBqvE)

29 The NRA continues the meme that the Second Amendment and a "well regulated militia" pertain to sportsmen and hunters rights. The truth is, that is incorrect, but has become a plausible position to take for the last generation.

The fact of the matter is, is that the Second Amendment was put in place to protect US from the Crown. Today, the modern day Crown, is the ever reaching heavy hand of the Federal Government. The only thing preventing total and abject serfdom, is the Second Amendment.

Posted by: CowboyLogic at March 10, 2013 10:24 AM (vP2Hm)

30 @22 In a just world, yes. Otherwise, mr Kelly are both doing our part to take assault rifles off the streets, 1 at a time

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 10:25 AM (MwpNJ)

31
Mentioning again that:

NRA Life Memberships are currently $300.00 until 4/16/13. (Normally $1,000)

http://tinyurl.com/d6u5tx8

Includes a free duffel bag, flashlight and NRA magazine of your choice.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 10, 2013 10:25 AM (kdS6q)

32 I wonder how a Court would view a divorce filing by Gabby Giffords. Would it find her competent?

Posted by: eman at March 10, 2013 10:26 AM (64rcm)

33 I would like for Mr. Kelly to try to buy a true fully automatic and then report on Facebook about his experience.

Posted by: Watcher at March 10, 2013 10:26 AM (g963P)

34 The tubular magazines as seen on Winchester and other makes of target and hunting rifles, from the 1880s forward, can hold eight or more rounds, which of course makes them illegal to operate with full mags, in the Peoples Republic of New York. I am not even sure how one would legally sell one of these, and I have several. This is my last year in NY, and I will send Cuomo a good-bye note when we leave for Texas. It seems as if some other states are hot to trot to try and top the NY law. Yeah, they really want total confiscation. They know it and so do we.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at March 10, 2013 10:27 AM (PH+2B)

35 So, he really didn't intend to buy the AR? I thought it was a stunt. You know, to show how easy it is for an astronaut to pass a background test.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 10, 2013 10:29 AM (xSegX)

36 Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2013 02:08 PM (ZshNr)

My dad has one of those!

They're fun to shoot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 10:30 AM (3Mkrp)

37 really nice work here, Andy. I love that Sam Adams quote and well said, Mr. Noir. Happy Sunday everyone!

Posted by: L, elle at March 10, 2013 10:30 AM (Jelfu)

38 My wife and I go target shooting often. A year's worth would be a LOT. Posted by: 141Driver at March 10, 2013 02:21 PM (zWChq) Believe me, I know. My wallet hates me. Annually, I go through about a case of 22LR alone, and that's not nearly as much as I'd like to shoot. Hell, that's only about a brick of 22LR a month, barely enough to keep the skills marginally up to speed.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 10, 2013 10:30 AM (MBqvE)

39 Fucking Hive People.

Posted by: eman at March 10, 2013 10:30 AM (64rcm)

40 >>>>>You know, to show how easy it is for an astronaut to pass a background test.<<<<<

I begin to have my doubts about NASA's screening process.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at March 10, 2013 10:31 AM (VQ9KL)

41 The NRA has never said anything about the second amendment being only for hunters and sports.  In fact they have repeatedly said the exact opposite.

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 10:31 AM (53z96)

42 Posted by: Gaff at March 10, 2013 02:07 PM (iV8i3)

Costco has some on-line, and some of them have delivery included.

I bought one several years ago, and thank God for the delivery guys.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 10:32 AM (3Mkrp)

43 So, he really didn't intend to buy the AR? I thought it was a stunt. You know, to show how easy it is for an astronaut to pass a background test. Posted by: AmishDude at March 10, 2013 02:29 PM (xSegX) *snerk*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 10, 2013 10:32 AM (MBqvE)

44 In a few years Cuba will become a booming Capitalist economic dynamo. On the mainland there will be chaos.

Posted by: eman at March 10, 2013 10:33 AM (64rcm)

45 >>Scary to think of people buying guns like these without a background check at a gun show or the Internet. We really need to close the gun show and private seller loop hole.

There is no "gun show loop hole".  This is a crock promulgated by gun haters.

The same laws apply on the floor of a gun show, or its parking law, as anywhere else in the State.

If you buy a gun from a dealer, you need to go through a background check.  In *SOME* states, private face to face sales are allowed, without background check. . .though felons, mentally ill, etc are still not allowed to buy guns that way, and it has nothing whatever to do with gun shows.

The gun haters just hate the idea that people can own guns without their ownership of same being documented in some gov't database (a la Nazi Germany).




Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2013 10:33 AM (04kJj)

46 No he did buy it and a 45 pistol.

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 10:33 AM (53z96)

47 The "Kelly Stunt" hypothesis is as implausible as it gets. What, is he a billionaire or something? Couple thousand dollars just pocket change? And, as has been pointed out, buying a gun for someone else is illegal - though he's as likely to be prosecuted for it as Bloomberg and his merry band of jerks, who did the same thing on a cross-country trip. Seriously, why not rob a bank to prove it's possible? I think people are generally aware that it's possible to break laws, we really don't need people jumping on the "criminal bandwagon" to make that point.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 10:33 AM (bxiXv)

48 All American Citizens are members of the Militia. This item makes Lefty heads explode like no other.

Posted by: eman at March 10, 2013 10:35 AM (64rcm)

49 Is Mark Kelly one of Holder's new Fast and Furious strawman purchasers.  Or is he hoping to become the next Michael Moore opening a bank account with an AR-15 just to get the toaster.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 10, 2013 10:35 AM (Jr9vG)

50 Taro's Trivia: "This is a .43 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world..."

The Tsar's men were casting about for a new revolver in the 1870s, and took a shining to the Smith and Wesson Model 3, a break-top in .44 caliber. They weren't so enamored of the cartridge, though. It used a heeled bullet, meaning the bullet base was rebated and set into the case, with the rest of the bullet being the same diameter as the case and carrying the lubricant. The Russians found this less than optimal, feeling the outside lube would collect grit and damage the barrel. They directed Smith and Wesson to develop an internally-lubed bullet, which they did by cutting a groove in the base to hold the lube, and ditching the heeled design for a straight .429 slug. The resulting cartridge, the .44 Russian, was excellent, particularly in regards to accuracy.

Smith and Wesson later lengthened the case to make the .44 Special. Elmer Keith then proceeded to blow up some guns by loading the .44 Special to stoopid power, leading Smith to lengthen the case and make the .44 Magnum. Which sounds better than .43 Magnum.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 10, 2013 10:36 AM (celt+)

51 Kelly bought his guns in Tucson, where the sheriff is Dupnik, a Dem who apparently helped Jared Loughner skate on some charges brought on by his craziness because Loughner's parents were big Dem supporters.

I sure doubt he will be prosecuted in Tucson.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 10, 2013 10:38 AM (673KB)

52 Depending on the number of guns you have, you may be able to get something small enough to fit inside a closet and be hidden inside the doors.  Preferably in a location within the interior of the house.  Use good bearing plates on the bolts and face them upward with the nuts located inside the safe.  SAE bolts can be hard to find, but are that much tougher to cut through. 

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 10, 2013 10:38 AM (x4x3r)

53 5 Hey - I've got a question for you all. Anybody have some recommendations for gun safes? Posted by: Gaff at March 10, 2013 02:07 PM (iV8i3) Just to check reviews and reputation of the safe and seller thoroughly, it's not a small investment. And to know the details about how safes are constructed (the basics) and what the difference between a safe and a security cabinet are, because sellers love to conflate those. Your basic "Sentry" and some other brand security cabinets are made to look like safes, but they're thin metal and not all that well-made. Not saying they're crap, just saying know what you're paying for. This is a pretty good guide: http://www.6mmbr.com/gunsafes.html The only silly advice is to save money by buying a used safe. I have never personally seen a used safe for significantly less than retail price. They definitely hold their value.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 10:39 AM (bxiXv)

54 You know what else makes gun-haters crazy?

The idea that there are "gun shows" that basically act as firearms bazaars where people can buy, sell, trade, guns, ammo, and accessories as much as they like.




Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2013 10:39 AM (04kJj)

55 I sure doubt he will be prosecuted in Tucson.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 10, 2013 02:38 PM (673KB)

 

I'm not sure talking about prosecuting him is really in the realm of making sense.  It buys into the narrative that they want (Which is saying he did something wrong.)

 

He's perfectly within his rights to buy an AR-15 and then destroy it if he wants to, I'm not going to stop him.  We need to push back against the narrative that what he did was, in any way, wrong.

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 10:42 AM (GaqMa)

56 I raped a woman. But just to illustrate the evils of rape.

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2013 10:42 AM (sdi6R)

57 Thanks for the advice guys. I had a space planned out already (in the basement), but I hadn't thought of putting it inside a metal storage cabinet. Pretty smart for a bunch of morons.

Posted by: Gaff at March 10, 2013 10:44 AM (iV8i3)

58 We need to push back against the narrative that what he did was, in any way, wrong. Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 02:42 PM (GaqMa) There's nothing wrong with buying the gun. To destroy it would be wasteful. To lie about why he bought it is wrong, in the moral sense, though there are (rather obviously) no laws against lying per se. To buy it expressly to give it to someone else *may* run afoul of the law, though if he gives it to the government, there is likely an exemption. Just like so many other laws.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 10:46 AM (bxiXv)

59

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 10, 2013 02:39 PM (bxiXv)

 

OK, Horde, question.

I own 1 shotgun, that's it. I have 0 kids. I keep it a room like thing (large closet?) constructed in my basement. I'm thinking of putting a pad lock on the room at a later date.

Do I have need for a gun safe?  The gun itself isn't all that valuable (it's a Mossberg 835, I bought used.)  Would I be better off just buying a locking case? (FWIW, we live in a very low crime area.)

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 10:46 AM (GaqMa)

60 Lets not forget Dupnik and Jose Guerena.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting

"Perpetrators Pima County SWAT officers"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 10, 2013 10:47 AM (Jr9vG)

61 I think that no former astronauts should be allowed to own guns because of that crazy diaper wearing woman and because of PTSD (post-traumatic space disorder).

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 10, 2013 10:47 AM (SUKHu)

62 I raped a woman. But just to illustrate the evils of rape. *** And to demonstrate the helplessness of a woman without a gun.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 10:48 AM (piMMO)

63 I raped a woman. But just to illustrate the evils of rape. But was it rape-rape? /moron obligatory

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 10, 2013 10:50 AM (MBqvE)

64

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 10, 2013 02:46 PM (bxiXv)

 

Destroying it is wasteful, but well within his rights.  Especially if he wants to claim his destroying it is "speech."

 

I'm even less concerned about the whole "giving it to someone else" thing for 2 reasons:

1) we want to be careful or they'll turn this into a situation where you can't buy a .22 to give to your kid.

2) "meh" on exceptions to giving it to the police.  Ostensibly the police are his method of destroying it.  Guns (like pills) have dangers in the wrong hands, people who don't want them should have a way to quickly and safely divest themselves of them.  That's currently the police (for both IIRC), it's not perfect but as long as it's done willingly there are worse things. (The other obvious way to divest oneself safely would be a Firearms dealer, but I can see how some people wouldn't care enough to track one down, go in and sell the gun. I don't even know where the closest used gun dealer to me is.)

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 10:51 AM (GaqMa)

65 CBD, it looks like a cool little pistol. I'll see if I can find a place to shoot it before next week's gun thread. 60 years old, but it's such a simple gun I imagine it'll work fine.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2013 10:52 AM (ZshNr)

66 Did any of the morons go to the Tampa gun show this weekend? I had planned to but ran afoul of the time bandit. Wondering what the crowds looked like...

Posted by: Mr Wolf, non-ESQ at March 10, 2013 10:54 AM (UIAT6)

67 Mark, don't let the wingnuts stop you from buyin' and signifyin'.

Posted by: zombie Chris Dorner at March 10, 2013 10:56 AM (QjSgY)

68 Any suggestions for a pump action air pistol and/ or rifle to start a kid with? BB's vs pellets?

Posted by: LindaFell at March 10, 2013 10:57 AM (PGO8C)

69 True story about Dallek: he was teaching at the University of Texas when I was a junior. I showed up for class of his that was overbooked-- too many students. I went to Dallek after the first day and said, "I really need this class for my degree. If you can guarantee me a spot in this class next semester, I'll drop out now to try to help you get down to your number." Guy shook my hand and said "Thanks, I really appreciate that. Deal."

That was the last semester he taught/UT offered that class. Did it matter? Well, that was three more credit hours I had to defer to a later semester. Did he know that they were/he was dropping the course at the point he shook my hand and said "Deal"....? I don't know, but I have a suspicion.

Posted by: BK at March 10, 2013 10:59 AM (6KiQ+)

70 I bought an AR in Tucson, just to watch a buy.

Posted by: Mark Kelly, dressed in black at March 10, 2013 11:00 AM (rdy8w)

71 Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 02:46 PM (GaqMa)

Locked closet seems good enough. If you live in a low-crime area, then the only thing you are trying to avoid is some opportunistic thief or a couple of idiot high school kids dropping in uninvited.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 11:02 AM (3Mkrp)

72 Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 02:46 PM (GaqMa)

But.....this begs the question: why do you have only one gun?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 11:02 AM (3Mkrp)

73
Kelly is just invoking the law-enforcement-exemption to the strawman purchase ban, with a cross-reference to the phantom gunshow loophole. With extra points for vegetable-spouse-victim sympathy. For entertainment purposes only.

And the judges say:
Former Soviet - 9.9
Red China - 9.9
MFM - 10.0




Posted by: Rule #2 at March 10, 2013 11:03 AM (CypDC)

74 Watch Mr Astronaut run for office in 2014. What an asshole.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 10, 2013 11:04 AM (+paCV)

75 Not even a decorated veteran and distinguished astronaut should own an assault rifle once he leaves government service. Only the government should have these weapons, since they could be used in a racist right-wing attempt to resist the FORWARD! motion of our beloved President Obama as he makes America a better place.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at March 10, 2013 11:04 AM (4hwtR)

76 Just in case, I tagged Kelly's FB page this morning to see if he was still donating assault rifles, since one veteran to another I surely needed an LRB Arms M14 to fill a gap in my collection.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at March 10, 2013 11:06 AM (4hwtR)

77 @64 In principal, I'm against laws where giving it to someone else is illegal, but 1) it is and 2) ass hats like this guy are pushing for laws to make it more stringent to do so. Make them live up to their own rules.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 11:06 AM (CNuph)

78 Someone I know through several other friends has a Bushmaster Varminter tricked out for target shooting with a 24 in barrel, and he or she wants to get a 16 in upper to be able to convert it to a close qtr weapon. Does anybody know if any ar type upper would work, and also, do they usually come with a bolt carrier or is that typically something you would have to get separately? Any suggestions on the make of upper?


Posted by: TheLastOne at March 10, 2013 11:08 AM (MDQQ7)

79 Any suggestions for a pump action air pistol and/ or rifle to start a kid with? BB's vs pellets? Posted by: LindaFell Marlin "Glenfield" model 60 or a Ruger 10/22. If he is old enough for a pellet gun he is old enough for a .22LR. Both guns are inexpensive and accurate. The Glenfield might be better for small people.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 10, 2013 11:09 AM (+paCV)

80 Well, it'll be fun to ID him as "assault gun owner Mark G." and "correct" libruls who "forget" to describe him as such.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 10, 2013 11:09 AM (SUKHu)

81 Thinking about it, I don't know if there is a law enforcement donation exception. The crime isn't giving the law enforcement agency a gun, it's lying on a federal form. Much like perjury.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 11:09 AM (CNuph)

82 @78 Typically any one will work, the exception being some older colt models. It depends, some come with a bcg, some don't. Ask first.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 11:11 AM (CNuph)

83

Remember  my  father - in - law  blaming  talk  radio  when  Gabby  got  shot?  THAT  was  bad.  Me - I'm  just  a  hypocrite.

Posted by: Mark E. Kelly at March 10, 2013 11:11 AM (wIgpo)

84

@CBD,

 

Point 1) I'm gonna get around to putting bars on the basement windows at some point (but the gun isn't in sight anyway, plus they'd be locked in the closet if they broke in through that window.)

Point 2). is two parts that are related.  A) spare spending money is currently very low (and guns are expensive!) and b) my wife is neutral towards guns at best (so any money for them would have to be scraped and saved out of my personal fun money which right now is directed towards other things.

There are a few sub points too. I haven't had time to shoot much in the last year (So extra guns wouldn't make any sense if I cant' shoot one I have. I have friends with .22 rugers and handguns who let me borrow when we go to the range too.)

Used to be I had only one because it was all we had space for in the apartment (I'm a long gun kinda guy and those take space.)  No joking, the shotgun was stored in the storage closet at the townhome next to my wife's wedding dress (she was very clear not ON, the dress in case I missed a spot cleaning up extra gun oil, we didn't want a problem.)

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 11:12 AM (GaqMa)

85 Any suggestions on the make of upper? Posted by: TheLastOne Beowolf

Posted by: Daybrother at March 10, 2013 11:13 AM (+paCV)

86 Too bad that Mark Kelly wasn't on the Columbia.  

Posted by: Urban Achiever at March 10, 2013 11:13 AM (TKzHs)

87 I'm going to ignore daylight savings time until homosexuals are allowed to marry.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 10, 2013 11:13 AM (vzLhi)

88 Thinking about it, I don't know if there is a law enforcement donation exception. The crime isn't giving the law enforcement agency a gun, it's lying on a federal form. Much like perjury.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 03:09 PM (CNuph)

 

I haven't seen the federal form..uhhh..ever I think.  Shotguns are exempt IIRC (or I just wasn't watching what I filled out.)

Is there anything on there that he would have had to lie on?  Straw purchases are illegal because you're purchasing the gun for someone who (presumably) can't pass the background check.  But such a problem wouldn't really apply in giving the gun to Law Enforcement for "destruction." (so they actually destroy those?  Seriously, or do they just resell them.)

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 11:14 AM (GaqMa)

89 Please excuse my typo in comment 13...it should read 1895 rifle

Posted by: Patrap at March 10, 2013 11:15 AM (1RXTZ)

90 #87-LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 10, 2013 11:18 AM (g7q64)

91 Any suggestions on the make of upper? Posted by: TheLastOne at March 10, 2013 03:08 PM (MDQQ7) There are so many. I would start by seeing if anyone has anything in stock. That may be the real answer. For cheap, I like SMith and Wesson. They seem to run well. LMT, BCM, Noveske, Daniel Defense, Spike's, and of course Colt are good but more expensive. I think Stag and CMMG are also okay on the lower end, but I really don't have any experience with them. Olympic, DPMS, and sadly even Bushmaster can be hit-or-miss. M1 sales and RRA more miss than hit (though RRA has been making good pistols). Whether the Bolt Carrier Group is included depends on the seller.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 11:20 AM (bxiXv)

92 Any suggestions for a pump action air pistol and/ or rifle to start a kid with? BB's vs pellets?

Posted by: LindaFell at March 10, 2013 02:57 PM (PGO8C)

 

Benjamin is the only pump air piston I know of. I had one and it was good quality. I put too many pumps into it a few times and the seal always held.

Posted by: Ook? at March 10, 2013 11:20 AM (OQpzc)

93 BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 10, 2013 11:20 AM (8sCoq)

94 Posted by: Urban Achiever oh , hi Charles Johnson

Posted by: soothsayer at March 10, 2013 11:20 AM (NLH1M)

95 Old and busted racism: step 'n fetch it New racism: stop 'n frisk 'em

Posted by: The littl shyning man at March 10, 2013 11:21 AM (PH+2B)

96 Oops, that should have read "pump air pistol."

Posted by: Ook? at March 10, 2013 11:21 AM (OQpzc)

97 I'm going to ignore daylight savings time until homosexuals are allowed to marry. *** Ashley Judd, is that you?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 11:21 AM (piMMO)

98 The Remington Model 8, designed by John Browning. First available in 1906. Semi automatic rifle, recoil operated 5 shot magazine, though in later years a 20 round mag was used by LEOs, including the guys who got Bonnie and Clyde. Was used by Warren Oates in Peckinpah's Ride the High Country. Kind of puts to sleep the idea that semi auto weapons are recent creations only for the military.

Posted by: xknight at March 10, 2013 11:21 AM (8SKV+)

99 @88 The question is something like "are you the final transferee of the firearm" Nothing about sales. When you pick it up, you are certifying you are the end user. If you say no, they don't sell to you

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 11:22 AM (CNuph)

100 ashley judd ‏@AshleyJudd My beautiful hound, enjoying March's refreshing wind

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 10, 2013 11:22 AM (8sCoq)

101 Form 4473 doesn't make an exemption for good intentions. You can quickly google a copy of it and read it for yourself.

If he purchased the weapon with the intention of giving or selling it to anyone else, he lied.

Posted by: xbradtc at March 10, 2013 11:22 AM (O0L6N)

102 Kelly probably didn't do anything wrong, except to be an ass. But if he did commit a felony I'd bet it would fall under prosecutorial discretion and he gets a pass.

Crusading astronaut-husband of vegetable-hero sticking it to the teabaggers? That scores higher than leftist journalist caught on tape in DC with an illegal magazine, while sticking it to the NRA.

Posted by: Rule #2 at March 10, 2013 11:26 AM (CypDC)

103 Kelly probably didn't do anything wrong, except to be an ass. But if he did commit a felony I'd bet it would fall under prosecutorial discretion and he gets a pass.

Crusading astronaut-husband of vegetable-hero sticking it to the teabaggers? That scores higher than leftist journalist caught on tape in DC with an illegal magazine, while sticking it to the NRA.

Posted by: Rule #2 at March 10, 2013 11:26 AM (CypDC)

104 Didn't that Simmons asshole make millions peddling peace-love-dove ballads like "Cop Killer" to inner city youth? Yes, yes he did.

Posted by: SCOAMF Search Committee at March 10, 2013 11:26 AM (Ale7o)

105 Didn't that Simmons asshole make millions peddling peace-love-dove ballads like "Cop Killer" to inner city youth? Yes, yes he did.

Posted by: SCOAMF Search Committee at March 10, 2013 11:26 AM (Ale7o)

106 Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 03:12 PM (GaqMa)

No problem...I was just being a smart-ass.

I have a safe because I have lots of guns and am also holding my FIL's long guns. In reality, a gun cabinet would be fine, but the FIL kicked in for the safe, so I didn't argue.

A .22 pistol is a great and inexpensive way to introduce yourself to short guns. I have a colt .22 that was cheap, and is a blast to shoot.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 11:27 AM (3Mkrp)

107 ashley judd ‏@AshleyJudd My beautiful hound, enjoying March's refreshing wind *** I received a tweet a few minutes ago linking a piece that claims the KY DSCC is about to bail on Judd for another potential candidate. http://t.co/gdkAMGzFHx If they've concluded that a stunningly idiotic, albeit puffy, radically left-wing, make-believe artist can't make it in D.C., it would be a first.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 11:27 AM (piMMO)

108 I can't find any .22LR or 00/000 12ga buckshot.
A pox on the fucking horders.

Posted by: Attila at March 10, 2013 11:27 AM (Cs2tJ)

109 tsr, the question is "Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person." Shotguns are not exempt. It doesn't matter whether the person you're buying for is eligible. Now, again, it's unlikely he would be prosecuted for turning it over to the police, it's just such a *dumb* plan, and it can certainly be argued that he lied on the form if he didn't buy it for himself. Now that lying to the feds is a crime in and of itself (Fifth amendment? WTF is that?), it's hard to see how that's not an offense.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 11:29 AM (bxiXv)

110 I have a deep suspicion that taxpayer money is being used somehow to dry up supplies. I have no proof other than believing that's how Obama's regime rolls. Posted by: 141Driver at March 10, 2013 02:06 PM (zWChq) According to the owner of the gunshop I frequent, the US government is currently holding up the unloading of cargo ships when the cargo is ammunition. Customs officials are conducting a type of 'Mexican slowdown' of the process, poring over manifests and looking for clerical errors and other discrepancies in the most deliberately slow, painstaking way, essentially discouraging foreign exporters from bringing ammunition to the United States. This isn't confined to blue states New York and California. It's going on, according to my dealer, in every major harbor, making it a national effort, an unwritten policy of the federal government. So yes, our government is actively engaged in choking off the foreign ammo supply. The reason the topic came up is because 7.62 x 39 (AK, SKS ammo) is becoming increasingly hard to find (it's rationed to 3 boxes per customer at my dealer's) and proportionately expensive. I can't find Makarov or Tokarev pistol ammo, either. Insofar as I know, this hasn't received any press attention.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 11:29 AM (ptcFO)

111 The question is something like "are you the final transferee of the firearm"

Nothing about sales. When you pick it up, you are certifying you are the end user. If you say no, they don't sell to you

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 03:22 PM (CNuph)

 

 

I wonder how that's interpreted though.  How am I supposed to know what's my intention 5-10 years later.

And again: seriously, I can't buy a gun for my kid? Eff that.

 

My guess (and this is just a guess) is that he'd say he didn't lie, he is the final transferee (or whatever) and his method of disposing of the gun was giving it to Law enforcement for disposal (which may not count as transferring ownership, I really don't know.)

Just a total shot in the dark as it were.

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 11:29 AM (GaqMa)

112 Anybody have some recommendations for gun safes? Check the fire rating of the safe. Some are rated to ~1200degF for 1 hour, others for 2000degF. Steel can be tempered at 300-350degF, and once this happens, the gun is likely to be scrap. If you never experience a fire (best outcome) then fire protection is not needed. But if there is a chance, maybe in the next 50 years, then fire protection might save your guns tools ... for when you or your heirs need them ...

Posted by: Arbalest at March 10, 2013 11:30 AM (34J79)

113 >I received a tweet a few minutes ago linking a piece that claims the KY DSCC is about to bail on Judd for another potential candidate. I think they're beginning to realize what an embarrassing candidate she could be

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 10, 2013 11:32 AM (8sCoq)

114

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 10, 2013 03:29 PM (bxiXv)

 

Well that tells you I really didn't pay any attention to what I filled out 4-5 years ago when I bought my gun .

(although in fairness, I think the shop filled out most of the paperwork and just said "sign here.")

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 11:32 AM (GaqMa)

115 I received a tweet a few minutes ago linking a piece that claims the KY DSCC is about to bail on Judd for another potential candidate.

http://t.co/gdkAMGzFHx

If they've concluded that a stunningly idiotic, albeit puffy, radically left-wing, make-believe artist can't make it in D.C., it would be a first.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 03:27 PM (piMMO)



The DSCC in the article is the national organization (current chairman is Senator Bennet from CO). 

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (not large, but wonderful anyway) at March 10, 2013 11:33 AM (usDF9)

116 So should we start calling Gabby Giffords husband Machine Gun Kelley now? I found this yesterday, pretty funny http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=175561

Posted by: Gut Flora at March 10, 2013 11:34 AM (uLCJ+)

117 @109 It's the intended purpose at the time of sale. Intent can be hard to prove, but either he intended to buy it for himself or for someone else when he bought it. He seems to be admitting that it was for someone else. I think it would depend on the local prosecutor.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 11:35 AM (kUdlA)

118

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 03:35 PM (kUdlA)

 

Since he doesn't actually possess it yet, it might be easier for him at this point just to cancel the sale .

Posted by: tsrblke at March 10, 2013 11:38 AM (GaqMa)

119 The Corolla takedown in the sidebar is great.

Posted by: Infidel at March 10, 2013 11:39 AM (gqEUi)

120 I'll call him the gabbiest Gifford.

Posted by: Whatev at March 10, 2013 11:40 AM (A7Wh1)

121 I think they're beginning to realize what an embarrassing candidate she could be Posted by: Jones in CO at March 10, 2013 03:32 PM (8sCoq) Name recognition is gold in any political campaign. People laugh at Ashley Judd but I'm betting she'd give McConnell a tight race on name recognition alone. For one thing, a good campaign staff could conceivably rein in Ashley Judd's propensity to say incredibly idiotic things. For another, I don't think McConnell is in a strong incumbent position, even in conservative Kentucky. Louisville and Lexington, for example, would be fertile ground for a Judd candidacy. Lastly, Ashley would presumably have her mother and sister campaigning for her. Neither of those women are idiots, unlike Ashley, and both are viewed as down-to-earth, local-girls-made-good.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 11:41 AM (ptcFO)

122 Straw man makes a straw purchase, send in the drones fast and furious.

Posted by: angel with a sword at March 10, 2013 11:41 AM (LCb5K)

123 @116 Yet, he still lied on a federal form. Funny how that works. Make and defend shitty laws, get shitty results.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at March 10, 2013 11:42 AM (u1ZOY)

124

The DSCC in the article is the national organization (current chairman is Senator Bennet from CO).

 

I didn't know Bennett from CO was the chairman.  Gawd, our state is fucked up.

 

 

Posted by: Infidel at March 10, 2013 11:42 AM (gqEUi)

125 I think my favorite recent conspiracy theory about the control push that prompted the panic buying is that Obama has been secretly informed of an impending alien invasion and had to find a way to get as many guns as possible into civilian hands. Let's face it, it's the only possibility where someone is achieving their intended goal!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 11:43 AM (bxiXv)

126 The DSCC in the article is the national organization (current chairman is Senator Bennet from CO). *** You are correct.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 11:44 AM (piMMO)

127 Oh fuck but Drudge's headline is pissing me off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 11:45 AM (piMMO)

128 For you prepper types: David Crawford, author of Lights Out, has a new project coming out.  Evidently there is a film (or films, I suppose, as it's a saga) on the way, to be filmed in Georgia.  http://youtu.be/k8dbTPLrGHc

Posted by: Country Singer at March 10, 2013 11:47 AM (CgcOa)

129 125 Whew! Thank goodness she's not gonna let the rest of the country's economic misery interfere with her good time!!!

Posted by: antisocialist at March 10, 2013 11:49 AM (eGr8Z)

130 Insofar as I know, this hasn't received any press attention.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 03:29 PM (ptcFO)

 

It makes sense to me - illegally interfering in legal markets by selectively enforcing some of the overabundance of Federal regulations. They can't do it legally with the consent of Congress, so they do it "the Chicago Way", by finding excuses to justify their political agenda.

Posted by: 141Driver at March 10, 2013 11:50 AM (zWChq)

131 it's the only possibility where someone is achieving their intended goal!

How much did gun/ammo sales contribute to GDP? I think this is TFGs double-secret third-tier to his economic stimulus plan:
Cash for clunkers
EVs for hipsters
Boom-sticks for bitter-clingers

Posted by: Rule #2 at March 10, 2013 11:51 AM (CypDC)

132 I am just pissed Kelly could find an AR. Wonder what he paid for it? Remember, he's a col in the AF? So it's not like the first time he's ever shot or seen an AR. Must of been a good price, he bought two.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at March 10, 2013 11:51 AM (wR+pz)

133 @130 Excuse me Capt in Navy, same as Col.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at March 10, 2013 11:52 AM (wR+pz)

134 Do Navy Officers qualify on rifles?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2013 11:53 AM (ZshNr)

135 132 carronades

Posted by: Rule #2 at March 10, 2013 11:54 AM (CypDC)

136 The drudge thing is apparently about Adele and Beyonce performing at Moobama's Star-Studded Celibrity Birthday Party, for those who see that message above in ten minutes after Drudge changes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 11:54 AM (bxiXv)

137 According to the article I linked to this morning he bought one AR and one .45 pistol.

http://is.gd/waudiL

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 11:54 AM (53z96)

138 132 Do Navy Officers qualify on rifles? Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2013 03:53 PM (ZshNr) Sure, they empty a mag. from the fantail every other cruise.

Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2013 11:54 AM (HtUkt)

139 Cash for clunkers EVs for hipsters Boom-sticks for bitter-clingers Posted by: Rule #2 at March 10, 2013 03:51 PM (CypDC) Don't get me started on the fucking "Destruction of Useful Things To Encourage and Subsidize Debt" act.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 11:55 AM (bxiXv)

140 Whew! Thank goodness she's not gonna let the rest of the country's economic misery interfere with her good time!!! **** The article says that Adele has agreed to waive her fee and that the Obamas are paying for the party. Yeah right. I wonder what the cost for security alone will be.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 11:56 AM (piMMO)

141 >For one thing, a good campaign staff could conceivably rein in Ashley Judd's propensity to say incredibly idiotic things. Yeah, but there's volumes of stupid shit she's said over the years she'll be forced to explain >Lastly, Ashley would presumably have her mother and sister campaigning for her. They are not fans

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 10, 2013 11:56 AM (8sCoq)

142

The drudge thing is apparently about Adele and Beyonce performing lip-synching at Moobama's Star-Studded Celibrity Birthday Party

 

FTFY

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 10, 2013 11:56 AM (EDjKF)

143 @132 I am pretty sure shooting from an A6-E intruder during the Gulf war and making 39 combat missions, ole Kelly shot a real machine gun more than once. What a fucking hypocrite. http://tinyurl.com/b6n65vl

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at March 10, 2013 11:56 AM (wR+pz)

144 The drudge thing is apparently about Adele and Beyonce performing at Moobama's Star-Studded Celibrity Birthday Party, for those who see that message above in ten minutes after Drudge changes. *** Thanks. I didn't think about that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 11:56 AM (piMMO)

145 Pretty sure you can't buy a weapon on the Internet without a background check. Unless you found someone who lived near you and met them face to face...otherwise has to be shipped to an FFL and then....yup...background check. Ever notice how every gun control argument only works if they either lie or prey on people being stupid?

Posted by: Chris at March 10, 2013 11:57 AM (GVo9y)

146 Do Navy Officers qualify on rifles?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 10, 2013 03:53 PM (ZshNr)


I suspect they do in what ever service school they went to.  I know that Navy enlisted were supposed to qualify in bootcamp  on the rifle and later with the .45 before advancing to PO 3rd class.  However they would excuse that for certain ratings.

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 11:57 AM (53z96)

147 I need advice on whether the the PA-63 or the P-64 is a better carry Makarov. The alloy Hungarian looks better, but I can almost get two Polish for the same price.

Posted by: toby928© presents at March 10, 2013 11:57 AM (QupBk)

148 for everyone freaking out about Michelle's b-day soiree, remember it's next year plenty of other horrors shall plague us before then

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 10, 2013 11:57 AM (8sCoq)

149 59 Gun safes aren't just for the protection of little ones. We have three (!) of 'em, and not just to keep little hands away from the hardware. As my husband put it to me before the first purchase, if anyone - ANYONE - comes in your house, be it the exterminator, the UPS guy, an electrician, even one of your buddies, and sees that you have a gun, or collection of same, they don't necessarily have to have designs on stealing them to cause them to be stolen/used illegally. If the bug guy goes to the next house on his list and says, "Hey, that Mr. Antisocialist sure has a sweet shotgun in his closet" - that's all it could take. Word gets around. You come home, and it's gone. That's why I don't raise a lot of hell over the cost of the gun safes. (Oh, a little, but that's my job, after all.) And a lot of the stuff in the gun safes is mine, anyway.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 10, 2013 11:58 AM (eGr8Z)

150 @141 Read the link. BOTH his parents were cops. I am guess good ole Mike has some guns.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at March 10, 2013 11:58 AM (wR+pz)

151 I suspect they do in what ever service school they went to. I know that Navy enlisted were supposed to qualify in bootcamp on the rifle and later with the .45 before advancing to PO 3rd class. However they would excuse that for certain ratings. Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 03:57 PM (53z96) We shot faux 1911s that shot .22s.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at March 10, 2013 11:59 AM (l86i3)

152 145 I need advice on whether the the PA-63 or the P-64 is a better carry Makarov. The alloy Hungarian looks better, but I can almost get two Polish for the same price. Posted by: toby928© presents at March 10, 2013 03:57 PM (QupBk) ------------ I've always wanted a Makarov - but after reading about them, I don't think I'm gonna get one for a carry pistol. Dreadfully hard trigger pull, and it's a tee-total bitch to adjust, according to friends who know these things.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 10, 2013 12:00 PM (eGr8Z)

153 for everyone freaking out about Michelle's b-day soiree, remember it's next year plenty of other horrors shall plague us before then *** You're just a ray of sunshine!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 12:00 PM (piMMO)

154 I suspect they do in what ever service school they went to. I know that Navy enlisted were supposed to qualify in bootcamp on the rifle and later with the .45 before advancing to PO 3rd class. However they would excuse that for certain ratings. Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 03:57 PM (53z96) In Air Force basic, we qualified with pretend-M16's that used .22LR ammo. Yeah, yeah, I know. My husband is a retired Marine - I get the whole "Air Force is a bunch of spoiled teenagers with too much money and too much free time" thing all the time. Meh.

Posted by: antisocialist at March 10, 2013 12:03 PM (eGr8Z)

155 Thanks. I didn't think about that. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 03:56 PM (piMMO) No one does. (HUGE SIGH).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:05 PM (bxiXv)

156 I need advice on whether the the PA-63 or the P-64 is a better carry Makarov. The alloy Hungarian looks better, but I can almost get two Polish for the same price. Posted by: toby928© presents at March 10, 2013 03:57 PM (QupBk) I can't speak to the PA-63 but I own a Polish Radom P-64. It's a truly beautiful piece: reliable, accurate, and solidly built. The big problem with the P-64 out of the box is the double-action trigger, which runs at approximately 25 lbs., a problem I corrected by replacing the mainspring. The pistol is now perfect--seriously, I mean it, it's the best compact pistol I own. I'm no gunsmith but changing out the mainspring was a straightforward affair, accomplished in about 30 minutes. Easy step-by-step instructions can be found on a website devoted solely to the P-64, The Unofficial P-64 Resource. Can't recommend it strongly enough. I also own a great ITW holster made by a one-woman operation who calls her little company Turtlecreek. I consider the P-64 a perfect carry weapon--for my needs, anyway.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 12:05 PM (ptcFO)

157 No one does. (HUGE SIGH). *** I will now!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 12:05 PM (piMMO)

158 145 I need advice on whether the the PA-63 or the P-64 is a better carry Makarov. The alloy Hungarian looks better, but I can almost get two Polish for the same price. Posted by: toby928© presents at March 10, 2013 03:57 PM (QupBk) In the 90s when they were $89, they were a great buy. Now, not so much. Unless I was really strapped and had a great deal, I wouldn't give one a look, personally. Kahr MK9, Glock 19 (especially a police trade-in), some of the Smith police trade-ins - not much more than a Makarov. Some of the Bersas or Astras, there are probably a dozen more alternatives I'm not thinking of. The Mak is not a terrible design, it's just not great either, and an orphan caliber.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:09 PM (bxiXv)

159 Will Michelle's bitches be humping showin cameltoe?

Posted by: tony redenzo at March 10, 2013 12:10 PM (TtA6H)

160 SOmething up there is loading REALLY slow, btw.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:10 PM (bxiXv)

161

From the Conservative Observer AZ:        Various sources contacted Breitbart News.  Heh.   

"Kelly reportedly bought the AR-15 and a 1911-style semi-automatic pistol at Diamondback Police Supply in Tucson, Arizona.
"Various sources contacted Breitbart News once Kelly made the purchase, and after we began investigating the details surrounding the purchase, Kelly announced on Facebook that he was not going to keep the AR-15, which he has yet to pick up from the store.  
"Days after making the purchases, Kelly wrote on Facebook:
"I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a .45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes.  I don't have possession of it yet but I'll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do.".

Posted by: I heart wacko birds at March 10, 2013 12:12 PM (Cjcon)

162 I've always wanted a Makarov - but after reading about them, I don't think I'm gonna get one for a carry pistol. Dreadfully hard trigger pull, and it's a tee-total bitch to adjust, according to friends who know these things. Posted by: antisocialist at March 10, 2013 04:00 PM (eGr8Z) I own a Makarov, as well. The trigger was gritty and uncomfortable at first but I replaced the innards of my Bulgarian Makarov with more precisely made surplus parts from East Germany and replaced all of the springs with Wolff springs. After that, I took a dremel tool and smoothed out and polished the rough edges using a how-to diagram I found on Makarov dot com. Works wonderfully now. I didn't think it was a bitch to adjust. Just takes a little work and time. The beauty of the Makarov, aside from its accuracy and reliability, is the simplicity of its design. It only has 22 parts to the thing and once I figured out how everything interacted, it wasn't so difficult.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 12:12 PM (ptcFO)

163
Mr. Gabby Giffords is typical of elitists - laws don't apply to them, that's why they want a law for everything under the sun.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 10, 2013 12:13 PM (p/cQy)

164 I can haz assault weapons?

Posted by: model_1066 at March 10, 2013 12:13 PM (7xPCu)

165 Pew! Pew-pew-pew!

Posted by: Mark E. Kelly at March 10, 2013 12:14 PM (MMC8r)

166 The Mak is not a terrible design, it's just not great either, and an orphan caliber. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 10, 2013 04:09 PM (bxiXv) An orphan caliber? Most of the time Mak ammo is plentiful and cheap. It's only been recently, with the latest gun scare, that it's been hard to find.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 12:15 PM (ptcFO)

167 Oh yeah, and once Kelly gives the gun to the Tucson PD, they'll sell it, not destroy it.  PD's only destroy scrap, they sell the good stuff.

Posted by: I heart wacko birds at March 10, 2013 12:15 PM (Cjcon)

168 SOmething up there is loading REALLY slow, Something wicked this way comes.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 10, 2013 12:16 PM (vzLhi)

169 Speaking of Arizona and guns, remember when David Spade bought guns for the Phoenix PD when they couldn't afford them?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 10, 2013 12:18 PM (piMMO)

170 Living in a puffy face world And I am a puffy face girl You know that we are living in a puffy face world And I am a puffy face girl

Posted by: Ashley J and her Puffies at March 10, 2013 12:22 PM (3VhRQ)

171 anyone remember that movie when you were teens? Something Wicked This Way Comes (1983) based on the novel by Ray Bradbury starring Jason Robards, Diane Ladd, and Brian Dennehy

Posted by: soothsayer at March 10, 2013 12:22 PM (NNTrd)

172 So I waited all day for the gun thread.
And then I had to take Little VIA to the paintball field and missed most of it.
But here goes.

Looking for input from the Horde.

Windham Weapons AR-15s

Thoughts,comments, criticisms, suggestions?


What say ye?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 12:22 PM (iZP3p)

173 An orphan caliber? Most of the time Mak ammo is plentiful and cheap. It's only been recently, with the latest gun scare, that it's been hard to find. Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 04:15 PM (ptcFO) How many new guns are made in 9x18, how many manufacturers produce the ammunition, and how many other cartridges share the the .363 bullet diameter? Orphan. I ain't saying you should throw yours away, I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:23 PM (bxiXv)

174 Beautiful Remington. .35 Remington is our 'house' cartridge for deer on my place, though most of the rifles are Marlin 336's.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 10, 2013 12:23 PM (B8EHQ)

175 I linked this in another post the other day. Instapundit's "Gun Taxonomy": “Saturday Night Specials” (cheap handguns) = Bad, must be banned “Military Style Handguns” (expensive handguns) = Bad, must be banned “Assault Weapons” (inaccurate, short-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned “Sniper Rifles” (accurate, long-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=gun+taxonomy

Posted by: rickl at March 10, 2013 12:26 PM (sdi6R)

176 new thread

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2013 12:27 PM (53z96)

177 Of course there would be a new thread right now.

 Come back here you guys.....
Guys?



Shit.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 12:29 PM (iZP3p)

178 And it's a Derp thread, too...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:31 PM (bxiXv)

179 Windham has mixed reviews, but I'm not seeing long-term or test-to-failure reviews. I don't know where they stand on spec issues, I don't think anyone has gone through that with them.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:32 PM (bxiXv)

180 Most of the WIndham reviews are positive, but most of everyone's reviews are positive because most people don't seriously test things, to put that in perspective.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:33 PM (bxiXv)

181 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 04:22 PM (iZP3p)

Oh man! That is a question that really can't be answered.

It depends on your budget, what you will be using it for, what kind of accuracy you are looking for.....

I have a Plain Jane Bushmaster that I love.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 12:37 PM (3Mkrp)

182 "Most of the WIndham reviews are positive, but most of everyone's reviews are positive because most people don't seriously test things, to put that in perspective."

Thanks.
I saw most of the reviews trended towards "We're putting the band back together" type stuff, with the old factory, old machines and many of the former employees.
But I didn't know if any of the horde might have any personal experience with them

Not looking to go shithouse rat crazy with this.
It's just  when Mrs VIA said "I would feel better if we owned one now before they make it illegal", I figured it might just be time to get something.
And I'm thrifty (cheap), so I'm not looking to build a vast arsenal.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 12:39 PM (iZP3p)

183 I ain't saying you should throw yours away, I'm just sayin'. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 10, 2013 04:23 PM (bxiXv) If you're ever in my neck of the woods, in or around Indianapolis, let me know. We'll go shooting paper targets at, say, 7 yards. You can bring whatever hand-held Star Wars-like contraption you keep in your Big Sith Vault of Destruction. I'll bring my Makarov.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 12:40 PM (ptcFO)

184 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 04:39 PM (iZP3p)

If you have machinist's skills, you could buy one of the "almost lowers" and finish it yourself. That may be the least expensive ways to go.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 12:41 PM (3Mkrp)

185 If you're ever in my neck of the woods, in or around Indianapolis, let me know. We'll go shooting paper targets at, say, 7 yards. You can bring whatever hand-held Star Wars-like contraption you keep in your Big Sith Vault of Destruction. I'll bring my Makarov. Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 04:40 PM (ptcFO) Which has precisely nothing to do with anything. PS my favorite handgun is an orphan too, though not as much of one as the 9x18. More calibers with common bullets, more manufacturers and availability.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:44 PM (bxiXv)

186 ehhh, "plantation" talk, it's pretty common for different groups of people to have an idea of what ideology you "should" have. "you're not a real American if you don't..." "you're not a real black person if you don't..." etc. it's understandable. plus the GOP tends to officially talk about race in a very abstract way, i.e. "colorblind," which is nice in theory but sorta tonedeaf in practice.

Posted by: JDP at March 10, 2013 12:46 PM (8HhF2)

187 CBD

My Machinist's skills as a retired Machinist Mate consist of
Lighting fires
Boiling water
making big ass propellers rotate
making sea water into fresh water


And other sundry and assorted skillz involving mashed thumbs, burned flesh and duct tape.
Plus, I have a really nice set of jewelers files, and a hammer.

What type of equipment does one need for this "Almost Lower" project that you speak of.

or

BRB,

Off to the innerwebs to see what I can find.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 12:47 PM (iZP3p)

188 Off to the innerwebs to see what I can find. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 04:47 PM (iZP3p) They're called "80% receivers" because the ATF said that up to 80% completion they're not actually firearms, so no paperwork needed.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 10, 2013 12:50 PM (bxiXv)

189 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 04:47 PM (iZP3p) Channel lock pliers and adjustable wrench....

Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2013 12:51 PM (HtUkt)

190 Apparently the background check for astronauts isn't that effective.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at March 10, 2013 12:51 PM (1+dNo)

191 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 04:47 PM (iZP3p)

Try this for a start.

https://colfaxtactical.com/ar15.html

I'm tempted. And I have a friend who has many machinists in his circle of friends, so.......


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 12:52 PM (3Mkrp)

192 Actually, CBD, as it happens, Jeff Goldstein has a post about this EXACT process (finishing the "80% lower receiver" that he put up only a few minutes ago. It turns out to be somewhat non-trivial to get the lower finished. If you are interested in the process and some alternatives, check out http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=46620 and http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=47921 Shameless plug: I know the guy who did these posts, so I am biased, but I believe his information is accurate.

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet at March 10, 2013 12:54 PM (jvdNh)

193 Which has precisely nothing to do with anything. PS my favorite handgun is an orphan too, though not as much of one as the 9x18. More calibers with common bullets, more manufacturers and availability. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 10, 2013 04:44 PM (bxiXv) Not being snide. It was a friendly challenge. A few weeks ago, I had a guy next to me at the 50-yard lanes next to me shooting some H&K futuristic space-age looking thing with laser sights and all that, me shooting my beat-up Yugo SKS, and by a kind of unspoken agreement we started shooting against each other. I beat the daylights out of him and enjoyed it thoroughly. It was fun. God, I'm sounding like my great-uncle with his Garand. Get off my lawn, you durned kids.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 12:54 PM (ptcFO)

194

Gabrielle Giffords' Husband Doesn't Want You To Have An AR-15

But he apparently bought one for himself completely by accident on the way out of a gun store. Or something. Maybe they were just on his mind since he's been talking about how evil they are.


You know how those impulse buys are.  They put the rack right there by the register and you just grab one without thinking and throw it in with the stuff you came to buy.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 10, 2013 12:55 PM (1hekh)

195 Found Palmetto State Armory, and of course AR15.com.

PSA is out of everything, but I guess spending some time surfing through AR15.com and reading couldn't hurt.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 12:56 PM (iZP3p)

196 185
You're gonna need a good, straight, drill press and a heavy drill press vise.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at March 10, 2013 12:56 PM (MhA4j)

197 An alternate Makarov is the P83. Rougher looking but with a larger mag. Anyone with any experience with those?

Posted by: toby928© presents at March 10, 2013 01:03 PM (QupBk)

198 Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet at March 10, 2013 04:54 PM (jvdNh)

Thank you!

I was really tempted too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 10, 2013 01:03 PM (3Mkrp)

199 I enjoyed firing a Tokarev the one time I had the opportunity. I liked the 7.62x25. Some new ones are chambered for 9x19...anyone have any knowledge of these...reliability, etc?

Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2013 01:14 PM (HtUkt)

200 Thanks for the links guys.
At some point, the "Build one myself" route looks like it could be fun as heck.
And what I see appears to be within my ability, just not my equipment capabilities at this point.

Now back in the past, I spent about three years at a certain Boat School on the Severn river as Staff.
And there were all kinds of machines in the basement of our building which were designed to take lumps of metal and make them into usable items.
And if only I could have predicted the future.....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 01:16 PM (iZP3p)

201 Man, I went to the one link at colfaxtactical.com
Their current backlog for 80% lowers is one year!

That's stupid crazy!
Not blaming them, just have a hard time grasping the fact that the demand is that high.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 01:20 PM (iZP3p)

202 I enjoyed firing a Tokarev the one time I had the opportunity. I liked the 7.62x25. Some new ones are chambered for 9x19...anyone have any knowledge of these...reliability, etc? Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2013 05:14 PM (HtUkt) I own two Tokarevs: the Yugo M57 and the Polish TTC. Both are extremely accurate and reliable. The M57 differs from other Toks in its magazine capacity (9 rounds) while other Tokarev models hold 8. The big complaint about the Tokarev round is its penetration capabilities making it unsuitable for defensive carry because of the possibility of shooting through the bad guy and into anyone/anything else behind him. I don't typically carry my Polish TTC although I have an excellent carry holster for it, but love shooting it at the range. Note, too, that some indoor ranges won't allow Tokarevs because of the damage it might/can do to backstops.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 01:31 PM (ptcFO)

203 That is something about Mark Kelly.  I am flabbergasted.

I don't get what the particular issue is with the AR15 versus any other rifle.  Is it the looks of it?  That is is more menacing looking?  We looked at them for our boat because you can collapse the stock, but  did not get it because we thought customs agents might not love it.  But can't you do mods to other rifles?

My BIL's boat was approached in open water by a boatload of men in a go fast boat as he headed S towards the Dominican Rep. from the Bahamas.  2 babies and a wife aboard.  If he did not have a shotgun and a handgun (for his wife), all four of them would have been treading water.

I will decide how much fire power I need.  Me.

Posted by: Shan at March 10, 2013 01:37 PM (V9MHw)

204 An alternate Makarov is the P83. Rougher looking but with a larger mag. Anyone with any experience with those? Posted by: toby928© presents at March 10, 2013 05:03 PM (QupBk) According to what I've read, if you're going for greater mag capacity in the Makarov/commie surplus pistol market, the CZ-82 is the way to go: 12-round magazine, chrome barrel with polygonal rifling, the usual combloc reliability. I haven't bought one because I like the slender profiles of the Makarov and the P-64 (and the Tokarev for that matter)--they don't print when carried in the waistband. There's a CZ-83 aimed at the civilian market, as well, which shoots commercial .380 ACP.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 01:41 PM (ptcFO)

205 Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 05:31 PM (ptcFO) Thanks.....I felt the 7.62 was a little 'hot' but seemed pretty accurate....don't think I'd carry one....I've got .38/.357/9mm for that.

Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2013 01:41 PM (HtUkt)

206 I don't get what the particular issue is with the AR15 versus any other rifle. Is it the looks of it? That is is more menacing looking? We looked at them for our boat because you can collapse the stock, but did not get it because we thought customs agents might not love it. But can't you do mods to other rifles? Posted by: Shan at March 10, 2013 05:37 PM (V9MHw) Yes yes and yes.

Posted by: RWC at March 10, 2013 01:47 PM (sqp6o)

207 I think I figured it out.
Liberals and guns are sort of like a teenager with his first car.
Racing stripes make it go faster
Chrome gas cap makes it a race car
Jacking it up with air shocks makes a wedge shape that makes it cut through the air easier
Chrome air cleaner housing makes it breath better.
Waxing your firewall lets the air slide out easier for better cooling.

And so on.
It's about image, not reality

So why do I want one.
Because there are people who wish to not allow me to not have one.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 01:54 PM (iZP3p)

208 I don't get why that asshole Kelly is so freaked out about ARs when his wife was shot by a handgun, one somewhat similar to the one Kelly just bought. I'm pretty sure Loughner wouldn't have been able to walk up to her carrying a rifle.

Posted by: stace, #WAR at March 10, 2013 01:54 PM (DX63t)

209 Damn it....too many "not"s

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 01:55 PM (iZP3p)

210 So why do I want one. Because there are people who wish to not allow me to not have one. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 10, 2013 05:54 PM (iZP3p) That's why I bought a MAK90....cuz Bubba Clinton didn't wan't me to have one....talk about a pos...both of 'em!

Posted by: BignJames at March 10, 2013 02:01 PM (HtUkt)

211 I kinda always wanted an AR, but not really a burning desire.
Then, after Sandy Hook, I figured I better do it, or forget about having one.
So, I picked one up on 12/17.
Have to admit to tarting it up some. Got the tactical handguard and I have an eotech on the way. I also have 4 30 rnd mags. Still want a squishy grip and a fold down rear sight.
Now with more evil!
I could sell all my shit and triple my money. Not happening.

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 10, 2013 02:09 PM (qyoyx)

212 Has there been a Sunday thread on reloading and equipment?

Posted by: toby928© presents at March 10, 2013 02:13 PM (QupBk)

213 I heard somewhere years ago, that James Brown was really a woman, he apparently married Obama.

Posted by: Mandrill Redass at March 10, 2013 02:18 PM (eEeRy)

214 RWC - thx.

Posted by: Shan at March 10, 2013 02:23 PM (V9MHw)

215 Is this the same Roosevelt who threw thousand of people into internment camps after confiscating their property?  Were they free from fear?

Posted by: RCP at March 10, 2013 02:32 PM (3EvWK)

216 Damn- Missed the Gun thread again, but for honorable reasons. Range last week. Trading pocket cannons today.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 10, 2013 02:33 PM (4Mv1T)

217 At the show today it looks like prices are drifting downwards. Still geting screwed but just a little less. Went to smoke and the line coming in had about 80 people in it with cars still hunting for parking.

Posted by: RWC at March 10, 2013 02:57 PM (sqp6o)

218 How great is it that Mr. Noir's name means "black" en francaise?!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 10, 2013 02:59 PM (FWwQD)

219 Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 10, 2013 06:59 PM (FWwQD That's not his real name.

Posted by: RWC at March 10, 2013 03:13 PM (sqp6o)

220 And leftist thugfucks are posting his info- phone number, address, etc.

Posted by: RWC at March 10, 2013 03:21 PM (sqp6o)

221 "The big complaint about the Tokarev round is its penetration capabilities ... Note, too, that some indoor ranges won't allow Tokarevs because of the damage it might/can do to backstops."

---------------------

I'm really surprised this round hasn't been re-discovered with the proliferation of body armor.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 10, 2013 03:27 PM (celt+)

222 And leftist thugfucks are posting his info- phone number, address, etc. Posted by: RWC at March 10, 2013 07:21 PM (sqp6o) We should be doing more of that with them. Most of it is, after all, publicly available information.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 03:50 PM (ptcFO)

223 It is, in fact, a black and white thing, it is a Demoncrat and Republican thing. Noir wants to talk about natural rights, but blacks want to deny themsevles and, more importantly, whites, their natural rights. Not only the right to defend oneself with arms, but also to deny whites and Colin Noir himself, the right to speak out freely. Demoncrats and blacks have a deep racial animosity to whites and are enemies of freedom. The soon Mr. Colin Noir realizes that, the better. He might support the 2nd Amendment, but no other blacks, their leaders, or the Demoncrat Party do. That is the reality of today. Blacks and Demoncrats want to disarm whites. Noir just happens to be one of the few blacks who support freedom. But he ain't bringing any others with him. The only good thing is that Noir just shows the RINOs that we can be inclusive and that is all it is good for.

Posted by: Federale at March 10, 2013 03:58 PM (nAKXq)

224 I'm really surprised this round hasn't been re-discovered with the proliferation of body armor. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 10, 2013 07:27 PM (celt+) The power and penetration of the Tokarev 7.62 x 25 are what drew me to commie surplus guns in the first place. One of the posters on one of the milsurp firearm fan sites (yes, I know) claims the reason for the 'hot' nature of the Tokarev was the not-insubstantial body armor effect afforded by heavy winter clothes. Which brings me to a final point: handguns are not efficient killers of men. Hollywood makes them out to be death ray projectors, when in fact the calibers capable of being fired from most pistols are comparatively weak, unable to generate terminal ballistics anywhere near that of rifles. Another point, too: it takes years of continuous practice for most people to attain pistol shooting proficiency, and by 'proficiency' I mean the ability to consistently hit critical center-mass or head of a silhouette targets. Statistically, 85% of people shot with handguns survive the experience. (If you survive the first 24 hours of being shot, you're probably going to survive longterm). Weirdly enough, FBI researchers discovered that 15% of people who are shot by a handgun bullet fall down because they're psychologically conditioned by mass media to think they're supposed to fall down when they're shot. Rifles are a different story. So are shotguns at close range.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 04:07 PM (ptcFO)

225

@ Billy Bob, #141.  None of the A-6 variants was equipped with a gun.  However, it might have been that a gun-pod such as was carried by certain F-4 Phantom variants could have worked? 

 

But still, I'm unaware of any A-6s actually campaigned with such.

 

 

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 10, 2013 04:15 PM (vvk2F)

226 IIRC, the Remington Model Eight was famous for its recoil: it seems the barrel and bolt recoiled several inches together, then hit the bolt stop, which brought them to a dead stop and transmitted their stored energy to the rest of the gun. The result was an eight pound rifle that recoiled four pounds at a time. Ouch!

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at March 10, 2013 04:17 PM (5hNpF)

227 Dang fumble fingers on an iPod.  Found a thread from here on milling lower part of AR-15.  Lost thread and cannot find it.  Someone point for me..

Posted by: aGrimm at March 10, 2013 06:13 PM (TZg2J)

228 Gabby Giffords husband will now be able to enjoy meeting some hot non-tard chicks on the shooting range.

Posted by: Checker Chubby at March 10, 2013 06:16 PM (lD8ju)

229 Have this rifle in 32 rem. Would luv to find ammo..

Posted by: Smittywood at March 10, 2013 06:58 PM (AXBx1)

230 I need advice on whether the the PA-63 or the P-64 is a better carry Makarov. The alloy Hungarian looks better, but I can almost get two Polish for the same price.

Posted by: toby928© presents

**********************

Just got rid of a P64. Pass on it. IIRC PA-63 is better, but not fun to shoot either.

Kahr CW9 recomended if you can get one for no more than $400

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 10, 2013 07:27 PM (elR5M)

231 Pass on it. IIRC PA-63 is better, but not fun to shoot either. Kahr CW9 recomended if you can get one for no more than $400 Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 10, 2013 11:27 PM (elR5M) A matter of opinion, I suppose. The P-64, with a replacement mainspring to lessen the P-64's atrocious double-action pull, is great fun to shoot once adjusted and is ridiculously accurate and reliable. The P-64 cost me $210 a little over a year ago. The replacement mainspring from Wolff springs cost (I think) $5.00 or thereabouts.

Posted by: troyriser at March 10, 2013 07:38 PM (ptcFO)

232 If you join the NRA, be sure to read EVERY ONE of the hundreds of pieces of fundraising mail you receive from them.  In one may be an opt-out offer for $30 dvd's which will start showing up without you ever having actually asked for them.  But that's okay, you can return them to avoid the $30 charge.  Of course, you will have to pay the return postage.  Or you can skip the NRA and join one of the other pro-Second Amendment organizations.

Posted by: OCBill at March 11, 2013 08:16 AM (Mj+FA)

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