March 17, 2013

Gun Thread (3-17-2013)
— andy

Apologies for the abbreviated thread today. I have a home project going that needs to be finished by sundown, or the Mrs. might be using me for target practice.

And The Hypocrite Of The Decade Award Goes To ...

Heckuva job, Arizona.


Gun Of The Week

A suggestion from Doubleplusundead.

(answer below)


Marksmanship Award



Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Bergmann semi-auto pistol. Dpud suggested the Bergmann-Bayard m1910, but I think that image might actually be the Bergman Mars 1901.

Regardless, semi-auto firearms have been around for a long, long time.


Wayne LaPierre At CPAC

He didn't win an award, as far as I know, but it was still a good speech.

LaPierre also slammed Vice President Joe Biden’s infamous gun advice, in which he suggested women take a “double-barrel” 12-gauge shotgun and just “fire two blasts” in the air outside if they are confronted by a home intruder.

“Gosh,” he said to laughter. “No doubt the violent predators would love to face a woman armed with a shotgun that is empty.”

He followed up with a line that elicited thunderous applause: “You keep your advice, we’ll keep our guns.”


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Posted by: JDTAY at March 17, 2013 11:27 AM (a0nis)

2 Gabby Giffords hunts humans.

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 17, 2013 11:28 AM (k4bdL)

3 All Dems are hypocrites.

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2013 11:28 AM (53z96)

4 I wish I had a gun. I really have no reason to be in this topic other than to steal the first comment.

Posted by: JDTAY at March 17, 2013 11:28 AM (a0nis)

5 Dig the target she used, imagine Palin doing the same. Total MSM 24/7 horror festival.

Posted by: angel with a sword at March 17, 2013 11:30 AM (3RiPs)

6 I made the gun thread this week. YAY!

Bought a shotgun right after church today, too. From an upstanding local LEO no less.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:30 AM (4Mv1T)

7 And I do not trust any bull shit from Lindsey Graham.


“I believe that the best way to interrupt the shooter is to have a mental health system that actually records and enters into the database people who should not be able to buy a gun,” Graham said.


I don't want ANY new anti gun legislation. If we pass any of his BS then we need to remove some of the old BS.

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2013 11:30 AM (53z96)

8 I guess Diane Feinsten is correct after, you do need an AR15 with high capacity death mags to hunt human beings.

Posted by: angel with a sword at March 17, 2013 11:31 AM (3RiPs)

9 Besides that, the law dogs in AZ knew the guy who shot that scrunt was a mental case. They didn't need a database, they needed to lock his ass up.

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2013 11:34 AM (53z96)

10 This Cyprus shindig needs it's own thread. Shit is getting serious (you guys!) real fast. Rumors of other countries declaring a bank holiday on Monday are spreading, as well as daily withdraw caps for Italy.

Posted by: Hopeless at March 17, 2013 11:34 AM (GWxXv)

11 We do not approve.

Posted by: Longwood University at March 17, 2013 11:35 AM (jucos)

12 I need to put the Moron Collective mind to work.

Besides Cabelas, Brownells, CTD, and EBay, what would be another good resource for wood stocks and fore ends for a run of the mill Mossberg 500? It has hardwood now (poplar I think), but they come in Walnut, too, which is extra purty.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:35 AM (4Mv1T)

13 A new gun thread to bump this gun thread.

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2013 11:36 AM (53z96)

14 Is that Giffords in the picture? She's wearing a Breitbart shirt.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at March 17, 2013 11:36 AM (wbeNt)

15 Disallowing gun ownership on the basis of mental health is a very slippery slope. Psychological science today can do amazing things. Predicting who will commit a crime with a gun isn't among those things.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 11:37 AM (JQuNB)

16 I still haven't been shooting this year as my ammo replenishment  capability remains near nil.  I'll be undergoing my CWP certification in a few weeks, though, so I guess I'll be forced to burn a few rounds.  Hopefully, my long back-ordered case of 9mm will arrive by then.


Also, the damndest thing happened: I found out recently that I've been erroneously picking up 20ga shells during trips to Walmart instead of 12.  As I can't return them, I figure that the best course of action is to shop for a 20ga shotgun.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's award-winning solid gold diaphragm at March 17, 2013 11:38 AM (7xeJQ)

17 new gun thread gone now

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2013 11:38 AM (53z96)

18 Two gun threads. It's stereo-o-o-o-o.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:38 AM (4Mv1T)

19

I'm still following Cyprus coverage streaming over the internet.

 

Those are a group of people that really need guns.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 17, 2013 11:38 AM (AC0lD)

20 Btw, IMHO, the end game is a single euro-American central bank. Bring euro down to parity with the dollar-- institute the ez-us free trade agreement Obama proposed, and you now have a blended credit entity capable of issuing 30y notes at super-low interest, using the revenue to buy out all the outstanding sovereign debt of Europe.

Posted by: Hopeless at March 17, 2013 11:39 AM (hKIk9)

21 There are some places that have deemed it "against the rules" for ordinary folks to shoot at human picture targets, or even human-shaped silhouettes. Meanwhile, the Imperial Death Squads train with targets of pregnant women and old folks in order to reduce 'hesitation'.

Posted by: Duke Nukem at March 17, 2013 11:39 AM (WlLWl)

22 As I can't return them, I figure that the best course of action is to shop for a 20ga shotgun.]/i]

Around here there are multiple on-line outlets to sell your guns and gear, ammo inluded. Is Armslist.com in your area? I'm in the Carolinas. Just sold a shotgun there on Friday and bought one on there today.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:40 AM (4Mv1T)

23 crap

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:41 AM (4Mv1T)

24 "They didn't need a database, they needed to lock his ass up."

The shooter had already made violent threats to more than one person. The Pima sheriff was too busy attacking sheriff Joe.

Posted by: navybrat at March 17, 2013 11:41 AM (3M8g3)

25 Besides Cabelas, Brownells, CTD, and EBay, what would be another good resource for wood stocks and fore ends for a run of the mill Mossberg 500? It has hardwood now (poplar I think), but they come in Walnut, too, which is extra purty. Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 03:35 PM (4Mv1T) Dude, you bought a Mossberg 500 today? Well, that's just fuckin' awesome.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 11:41 AM (JQuNB)

26 And how dare she wear a Breitbart shirt!!!

BTW, here she is posing with an AK (I assume) knockoff.
www.flickr.com/photos/gabriellegiffords/3904501891/

Posted by: andycanuck at March 17, 2013 11:41 AM (ORGYc)

27 If that's Jared Loughner on the target next to Giffords, he looked better with hair.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 17, 2013 11:41 AM (hfvAj)

28 The Pima sheriff was too busy attacking sheriff Joe.
And covering up for his secretary's son.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 17, 2013 11:42 AM (ORGYc)

29 That photo was just to get the job. And MSNBC must be all haftin to be uproared over the NRA jokes.

Posted by: Whatev at March 17, 2013 11:43 AM (A7Wh1)

30 I'm sorry, Dave In Texas, YOUR post is blocked for comments.

Seems Andy beat you on the name and there conflictin'.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 11:43 AM (Kpn/z)

31

And The Hypocrite Of The Decade Award Goes To

 

 

 

 

 

You were able to narrow it down to just one?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 17, 2013 11:44 AM (DoZD+)

32 Dig the target she used, imagine Palin doing the same. Total MSM 24/7 horror festival.
Posted by: angel with a sword at March 17, 2013 03:30 PM (3RiPs)

Dig how they tried to cover up the original with another face.

You can see the original has a chin beard. Like certain youts in france and syria.

I have no clue who the face they put on that target is though. Jay Lo?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 11:45 AM (Kpn/z)

33 16 Also, the damndest thing happened: I found out recently that I've been erroneously picking up 20ga shells during trips to Walmart instead of 12. As I can't return them, I figure that the best course of action is to shop for a 20ga shotgun. Posted by: Sandra Fluke's award-winning solid gold diaphragm at March 17, 2013 03:38 PM (7xeJQ) Win-win.

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2013 11:45 AM (sdi6R)

34 Let's for a posse. Someone stole our other gun thread!

Posted by: andycanuck at March 17, 2013 11:46 AM (ORGYc)

35 for = form

Posted by: andycanuck at March 17, 2013 11:47 AM (ORGYc)

36 I found out recently that I've been erroneously picking up 20ga shells during trips to Walmart instead of 12. As I can't return them, I figure that the best course of action is to shop for a 20ga shotgun. Check out the Mossberg 500 20ga youth model. I like short stocks on shotguns.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 11:48 AM (JQuNB)

37 I have no clue who the face they put on that target is though. Jay Lo?


Judging from the striped bathrobe, it was either a mullah or the guy from Beetlejuice.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 17, 2013 11:49 AM (hfvAj)

38 Nice "hispanic teenager" target there, Gabby.

Racist.

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 17, 2013 11:50 AM (k4bdL)

39 Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013

It's just a garden variety 12 ga pump, but the only thing you kind find at that price-point right now is tactical looking black synthetic stock variants. I just wanted a plain looking 12 ga pump. And for $100 I can buy a 18.5" "security barrel" to go with it.

I don't really get out to shoot birds, but I sold two 16 ga shotguns in the past 90 days and need to have SOME kind of scatter-gun in the safe.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:50 AM (4Mv1T)

40 Can, not kind

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:51 AM (4Mv1T)

41 Nancy Pelosi could not stand congresswoman Giffords.  Makes one wonder, huh?

Posted by: Bare treesinhorizon at March 17, 2013 11:51 AM (cxl8k)

42 Also, the damndest thing happened: I found out recently that I've been erroneously picking up 20ga shells during trips to Walmart instead of 12. As I can't return them, I figure that the best course of action is to shop for a 20ga shotgun.

That's your story and you're sticking to it?

I do that all the time with tools. Invent some project that REQUIRES, REQUIRES I say a special tool.

MMMM, tools. You can't stop at just one.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 11:52 AM (Kpn/z)

43

I have no doubt, it won't be long before we're all declared mentally ill. This is how dissenters are dealt with in China and Russia. When the media start repeating the phrase "mental illness epidemic" non-stop its seriously time to go underground. Sounds kooky, I know, but remember me saying this.

Posted by: el guapo at March 17, 2013 11:52 AM (LZ6Kl)

44 22


Around here there are multiple on-line outlets to sell your guns and gear, ammo inluded. Is Armslist.com in your area? I'm in the Carolinas. Just sold a shotgun there on Friday and bought one on there today.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 03:40 PM (4Mv1T)



Yes, I'm in SC near Charleston so armslist.com may come in handy.  I was serious about getting a 20ga, though.  It makes sense especially given that's the cheapest, most readily available ammo I can find locally.



I've got a Nagant coming my way soon so at least I'll have something to take to the range while waiting for ammo availability for everything else to become less horrible.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's award-winning solid gold diaphragm at March 17, 2013 11:52 AM (7xeJQ)

45 Controversial mayor seeks to censor a despised racial minority speaking out for its interests: http://tinyurl.com/abzjjrv

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 17, 2013 11:53 AM (QTHTd)

46 Hello all.  Long time lurker, first time poster (f'n new guy if you like).  I found AoS last summer and have gotten to the point that I can't start my day without reading news from Vic, Hollywood stories from MP4, and the hilarious irreverent humor of the regular posters.  I've lived in AZ for 24 years now and have watched the state slowly turn purple in that time.  McCain has been dead to me for some time and Giffords, although there was quite a bit of initial empathy, has become nothing but a stage prop to that publicity seeking, douche bag Mark Kelly.  Not sure how often I'll post as most times threads are well underway before I have a chance to read through the comments.  Besides, most times someone has already made a comment similar to what I might say. You guys help me make it through the day.  It helps me immensely to know that I'm not alone in my absolute HATE for the administration and the JEF/SCOAMF*. 

*It doesn't hurt that you've expanded my acronym vocabulary.

Posted by: Timmay! at March 17, 2013 11:53 AM (bys1Q)

47 I read about the Cyprus stuff yesterday. Ranted. Pondered. Bought Ammo.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 17, 2013 11:54 AM (TcQWW)

48 Believe it or not I heard a rap song today with a good message instead of being gangsta, bustin caps and slappin ho's. I didn't catch all the lyrics but the refrain referred to, I wear my grampa's clothes. The guy goes to a thrift store and buys stuff and says he looks good. He questions another guy who paid $50 for a tee shire and says he "got pinched. Meaning the guy paying the $50 is a chump! Common sense is coming to the Hood? Hazzah! I hope there is more of it.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 17, 2013 11:54 AM (JKNDp)

49 It's just a garden variety 12 ga pump, but the only thing you kind find at that price-point right now is tactical looking black synthetic stock variants. I just wanted a plain looking 12 ga pump. And for $100 I can buy a 18.5" "security barrel" to go with it. Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 03:50 PM (4Mv1T) I have a "Security Combo" that I bought about 25 years ago for $159. Best gun investment I've ever made.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 11:56 AM (JQuNB)

50 The Longbow. The last time this was subject to governmental control was 1100 AD. The Longbow. Or, as it is known among the US Marine Recon troops ... "Whispering Death" -

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 17, 2013 11:57 AM (9P+hO)

51 Liquidate assets, buy ammo, dig hole, bend over, kiss your ass goodbye.

This has a worse feel about it than all the years of nuclear saber rattling in the '50's/'60's.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 11:57 AM (Kpn/z)

52 SR- Also check out Carolinashootersclub.com. They may not have a lot of activity in you area. There's a lot happening there between Raleigh, Charlotte and Western NC.

It's another free resource. Great "Moron-type" community there also. Much more happening there than just swapping guns and ammo. I traded pistols with a preacher I met there last week, and sold another very nice shotgun there a couple months ago.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 11:58 AM (4Mv1T)

53 46 Timmay! Besides, most times someone has already made a comment similar to what I might say. That's never stopped the rest of us.

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2013 11:58 AM (sdi6R)

54 btw - I don't own a gun. My plan is to pick up what's available from the dead or dying and use that. Sort of like "Enemy at the Gate" ... but with a younger, hotter version of Rachel Weisz as my spotter. _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 17, 2013 11:58 AM (9P+hO)

55 Crossbow. easier mainteance, further throw and can be used by low trained user.

 Of course you only get one shot before the enemy engages.

Easier to run with crossbow.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 11:58 AM (Kpn/z)

56 So has Mark Kelly come down from his high orbitals to really explain his AR-15 purchase yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 17, 2013 11:59 AM (oScG1)

57 ! Common sense is coming to the Hood? Hazzah! I hope there is more of it. Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 17, 2013 03:54 PM (JKNDp) haha you're such an old person. It's only the #1 hit for quite a while. It's a hipster rap/rock band singing the virtues of getting unique clothes super cheap, serious but also hilarious lyrics.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 17, 2013 12:00 PM (FsUAO)

58
Is that two shots to the neck I see?

Posted by: YIKES! at March 17, 2013 12:00 PM (mETGQ)

59 My K-31 with the walnut stock came this week. I bought one with a beech stock last year. Those Swiss fellers sure can make a darn fine rifle. BTW Anybody know where they hid the corkscrew, scissors and screw drivers on those things?

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 12:00 PM (cCxiu)

60 56 So has Mark Kelly come down from his high orbitals to really explain his AR-15 purchase yet? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 17, 2013 03:59 PM (oScG1) Who's gonna ask him? He's got a (D) after his name.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2013 12:00 PM (GEICT)

61 Whup, somebody put the digits 12 and 20 in the same sentence, so now we have to do this. One topic we always used to cover, as ickily as possible, in hunter ed classes is a mistake called the "12/20 syndrome." It is the reason why one of the innumerable numbered rules of gun safety is never to carry ammunition other than for the gun you are using at the moment.

A shooter goes out in the morning after, let's say, dove, with a 20 gauge. When he comes in, he takes off his jacket without removing the 20-gauge shells from a pocket. Later in the day, he goes out after pheasant with his 12. With that coat.

If you drop a 20 into a twelve's chamber, it just slides down the barrel a little way. Usually does not trickle out the muzzle like the candy-guns kids used to get. In the excitement of the field, a shooter may load a 20 that way, presume he has neglected to load when it does not go off, and quickly load another shell, this time the right one, a 12-gauge. When the 12 fires, the 20 goes off too, and almost no shotgun barrel will hold the resulting confined blast.

It happens right in front of your face, and just over your hands, and it throws a lot of shrapnel. You have a bad chance of losing both eyes and fingers. And it's not just a rookie mistake: the guy whose gun-remnants we were given as a teaching aid was a senior member of a discerning club, with 40 years experience.

Most of you have heard this one. Sorry. Maybe a few newer shotgun fans had not, yet.      

Posted by: comatus at March 17, 2013 12:01 PM (qaVK+)

62 Besides, most times someone has already made a comment similar to what I might say.

That's never stopped the rest of us.


You avoid that problem by not reading the comments before you post.  It's sort of an AoSHQ tradition.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 17, 2013 12:02 PM (hfvAj)

63 Can someone explain to me WHY you would get a CWP ?

Posted by: Big Ben at March 17, 2013 12:02 PM (NgMDS)

64 The Longbow. Or, as it is known among the US Marine Recon troops ... "Whispering Death"


And known among the French as "the weapon of pussies."

Posted by: Charles VI at March 17, 2013 12:04 PM (hfvAj)

65 >>>I have a "Security Combo" that I bought about 25 years ago for $159. Best gun investment I've ever made. Posted by: Harrison Bergero

Exactly. And I am so stoked about my little deals this week. Sold a very old Remington for $375. Had marching orders from the bride that I had to sell one to get one, and no additional cash (for guns anyway, she probably didn't read THAT fine print in our little bargain. Who said anything about ammo??).

Anyway, got this nearly new Mossberg for $275 from a great local LEO I met on armslist. Been shot very little. 18.5" inch barrel is $99 from Cabelas, and BINGO. I spend the $375 and get EXACTLY what I want. A bird gun AND a weapon.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 12:04 PM (4Mv1T)

66 (poplar I think), but they come in Walnut, too, which is extra purty.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 03:35 PM (4Mv1T)

 

 

Poplar would never be used. It's Beech, Maple or Walnut.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 17, 2013 12:04 PM (UrENZ)

67 boogity boogity boogity 11 laps to go

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 17, 2013 12:05 PM (GcwH1)

68 BCochran, D as in Dumb?

And for the gun thread
http://www.cosplay.com/photo/3059300/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 17, 2013 12:05 PM (oScG1)

69 Never assume any gun is "safe". They are not made to be "safe". They are made to expel a projectile at sonic speeds.

The chemicals used to do this are unstable and highly reactive.

It is composed of metal. Metal can break and parts dislodge at unexpected times.

No matter how many times you have fired a particular weapon, you should always treat it as if this is the first and untried.

Any weapon can fail, especially if used incorrectly or casually.

Even the most safety conscious have been caught out by a mistake or a miscalculation or a failure.

No weapon is "safe".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 12:05 PM (Kpn/z)

70 AOSHQ Guns & Books Comment first , never read.

Posted by: eleven at March 17, 2013 12:05 PM (fsLdt)

71 boogity boogity boogity the final laps

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 17, 2013 12:06 PM (LPRBM)

72 eleven, you forgot 'boobehs' in that list.  And the other B word - booze.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 17, 2013 12:06 PM (oScG1)

73 BCochran, D as in Dumb? Well, of course.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2013 12:07 PM (GEICT)

74 Where do you get a job posing as a shooting range target? How cool is that?

Posted by: eleven at March 17, 2013 12:07 PM (fsLdt)

75 boogity boogity my Cheerios car didn't win

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 17, 2013 12:07 PM (vyPsz)

76 Speaking of identifying things, did anyone ever correctly identify the car and 'ette in the car thread from last week?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 17, 2013 12:07 PM (tOkJB)

77 Controversial mayor seeks to censor a despised racial minority speaking out for its interests: http://tinyurl.com/abzjjrv
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo

Notice the cowards at the CBS affiliate didn't provide a link to the article.

I read it yesterday and there isn't anything remotely racist about it, that is, unless one considers white peoples' opinions on things racist

If anything, the writer bends over backwards, constantly hedging and questioning his writing on the topic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 17, 2013 12:09 PM (UCv7P)

78 Speaking of identifying things, did anyone ever correctly identify the car and 'ette in the car thread from last week?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 17, 2013 04:07 PM (tOkJB)


Yes, 67 Pontiac  Grand Prix.

Posted by: Vic at March 17, 2013 12:10 PM (53z96)

79 74 Where do you get a job posing as a shooting range target? Posted by: eleven at March 17, 2013 04:07 PM (fsLdt) China? http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_nov2003/TargetPractice.jpg

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 17, 2013 12:11 PM (bxiXv)

80 Poplar would never be used. It's Beech, Maple or Walnut.

I used to make walnut furniture, and it's not walnut, so it's whatever else they use for "hardwood" at Mossberg. They offer "wood" and "Highly Polished Walnut". I saw "poplar" mentioned at one of the outfitters websites perhaps. Didn't make it up, though could be wrong.

At least it's not the hideous laminated wood crap that Remington now puts on their bottom end 870. Forgive me for saying that if someone here owns one. My 1966 Daisy plastic stock looks better than the stock on a new Rem. 870 unless you get the upgarde.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 12:11 PM (4Mv1T)

81 The face on that target looks suspiciously like Justin Bieber. Even better, he's wearing a UC Berkeley ballcap. Heh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2013 12:12 PM (MBqvE)

82 Sorry. Maybe a few newer shotgun fans had not, yet.

Posted by: comatus at March 17, 2013 04:01 PM (qaVK+)

 

Never apologize on this award winning blog unless you have offended someone.  I apologized once and I got raped.  Not raped-raped mind you, but it was ugly.  How ugly?  As ugly as Helen Thomas' cooter.  Seriously, you guys.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at March 17, 2013 12:13 PM (YYyqq)

83 >>>63 Can someone explain to me WHY you would get a CWP ?

Because you can.

For now.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 12:15 PM (4Mv1T)

84 When was that photo of Giffords taken? While I enjoy ragging on lefties every chance I get,  if the pic is from before she nearly died at the hands of Loughner and his shooting spree, calling this hypocrisy is weapons-grade stupid. 

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at March 17, 2013 12:15 PM (E55AK)

85 @63, The CWP prevents them from arresting you for carrying it around. In some states you can carry in your car without a CWP so many don't feel they need one. Also some people are too paranoid to get one because they think they will get on a list . I have a friend like that. I told him "I think the NRA membership and bumper sticker, the FFL, the purchases of ammo and guns online (wait for it) with a credit card.....and numerous posts on sites, not exactly liked by the government kinda has put us on a list already. They have been a watching both of us for quite a while.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 12:15 PM (cCxiu)

86 And known among the French as "the weapon of pussies."

Posted by: Charles VI

Well, to be precise, they didn't really say much of anything, seeing as how they were dead and all.  But if they had, I'm sure you're right.

Posted by: Henry V at March 17, 2013 12:15 PM (6TB1Z)

87 China? http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_nov2003/TargetPractice.jpg That's what I call dedication. And expendability.

Posted by: eleven at March 17, 2013 12:15 PM (fsLdt)

88 81 I was also thinking Bieber.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at March 17, 2013 12:16 PM (wbeNt)

89 Anyway, got this nearly new Mossberg for $275 from a great local LEO I met on armslist. Been shot very little. 18.5" inch barrel is $99 from Cabelas, and BINGO. I spend the $375 and get EXACTLY what I want. A bird gun AND a weapon. Yeah, the Mossberg 500 is just a great value. I'm not a big hunter, but I've used the long barrel a few times. Barrel change takes about 30 seconds. My home defense weapon is the plain-Jane 500, short barrel, five in the magazine and nothing in the chamber. Whenever I go to the range I always take the Mossberg. It's a helluva lot of fun to shoot.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 12:17 PM (JQuNB)

90 I read it yesterday and there isn't anything remotely racist about it, that is, unless one considers white peoples' opinions on things racist

If anything, the writer bends over backwards, constantly hedging and questioning his writing on the topic

I give kudos to the editor for standing up to the mayor and calling him out on his hypocrisy.

Posted by: pep at March 17, 2013 12:17 PM (6TB1Z)

91 Mossberg stocks http://www.gun-parts.com/mossbergstocks/

Posted by: Grover's at March 17, 2013 12:17 PM (9aKQB)

92

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 04:11 PM (4Mv1T)

 

 


Don't be too tough on the modern laminates. For rifles, expansion and contraction can throw off your shot. Laminates stay put. I'm a purist and love the look and feel of a nice walnut stock. Polplar is awfull soft, in fact our softest hardwood. I would never have it on any gun.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 17, 2013 12:20 PM (UrENZ)

93 61 Most of you have heard this one. Sorry. Maybe a few newer shotgun fans had not, yet. Posted by: comatus at March 17, 2013 04:01 PM (qaVK+) I hadn't. Thanks. Things like that bear repeating.

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2013 12:20 PM (sdi6R)

94 I was on the road when it was announced the HQ won Blog of the Year.

Congrats all, I banged your cookiee jar Ace...now go find some Rubio clutter.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 17, 2013 12:22 PM (LRFds)

95 Yeah, the Mossberg 500 is just a great value. I'm not a big hunter, but I've used the long barrel a few times. Barrel change takes about 30 seconds. My home defense weapon is the plain-Jane 500, short barrel, five in the magazine and nothing in the chamber. Whenever I go to the range I always take the Mossberg. It's a helluva lot of fun to shoot.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 04:17 PM (JQuNB)

 

I've got an 835 which is basically the same as the 500 series just with the over-bored barrel and I like it.

I bought a rifled slug barrel and use it for deer hunting, great all purpose gun.

 

The only thing I'd do if I could do it all over again was get the slug barrel with iron sights.  The scope is heavy and awkward to use. I can hit the pie pan at decent yardage, but it added unnecessary cost to the whole endeavor.

Posted by: tsrblke at March 17, 2013 12:24 PM (GaqMa)

96 Grover's- Thank you. Got to run visit the neighbor just out of the hospital. Will check that when I get back.

Cheers-

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 12:25 PM (4Mv1T)

97 I don't know if we have any psychologists commenting here, but giving those folks, many of whom pursued a therapy career because they are all fucked up themselves, the authority to decide who can be armed is a farce that only democrats could conceive.

Posted by: its getting pretty damn dull around here at March 17, 2013 12:26 PM (EBa8G)

98 ... calling this hypocrisy is weapons-grade stupid. Explain why. You have 3 seconds.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 17, 2013 12:26 PM (KeJAW)

99 95 TSR Bike,

Yeah I'm pondering getting MP-5 style sights for my next semi-auto SG since it will probably be a slug gun.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 17, 2013 12:27 PM (LRFds)

100 Thought the pistol was an 1898 Bolo Mauser, but it lacks the octagon barrel. Always wanted one.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 17, 2013 12:27 PM (XkWWK)

101 48 Believe it or not I heard a rap song today with a good message instead of being gangsta, bustin caps and slappin ho's. I didn't catch all the lyrics but the refrain referred to, I wear my grampa's clothes. The guy goes to a thrift store and buys stuff and says he looks good. He questions another guy who paid $50 for a tee shire and says he "got pinched. Meaning the guy paying the $50 is a chump! Common sense is coming to the Hood? Hazzah! I hope there is more of it. ------> Thrift Shop by Macklemore. He's white though. You must have missed the "Damn, he's a cold ass Honkey" lyric. The edited version is my 10 year old kid's favorite song right now.

Posted by: Caunotaucarius at March 17, 2013 12:27 PM (R0JuT)

102 Wait..is that Saint Headache?!! Gangsta.

Posted by: TheJane at March 17, 2013 12:28 PM (Km/Pn)

103 97 I don't know if we have any psychologists commenting here, but giving those folks, many of whom pursued a therapy career because they are all fucked up themselves, the authority to decide who can be armed is a farce that only democrats could conceive. Posted by: its getting pretty damn dull around here Boy, you've got that right!

Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 17, 2013 12:28 PM (PP8La)

104 Was Gabby posing for a remake of Bonnie & Clyde?

Posted by: its getting pretty damn dull around here at March 17, 2013 12:28 PM (EBa8G)

105 TSR Bike,

Yeah I'm pondering getting MP-5 style sights for my next semi-auto SG since it will probably be a slug gun.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 17, 2013 04:27 PM (LRFds)

 

I was stupid, that's really it.

I was trying to get the gun ready mere weeks before deer season. I thought "scopes are useful!"

My scope also just isn't that nice.

 

Side note: the overbored barrels can be a bitch to clean because they're not really 12 gauge or 10 gauge size, I have trouble finding brushes and such to fit them.

Posted by: tsrblke at March 17, 2013 12:29 PM (GaqMa)

106 yeah, I'm a life long Republican and I just love hatin Left Wingers but I disagree with everything you all say.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 17, 2013 12:30 PM (LPRBM)

107   I wish everyone would get over the "nothing in the chamber" idea.  If circumstances dictate a loaded weapon in the house, NOT having one up the spout means you got a club. 

   Not optimal in an emergency.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 17, 2013 12:30 PM (SAMxH)

108 Psychiatrists are in the business of issuing diagnoses. That is their job. If you see one, you will have a record, and like all medical records are about to be, those records will be about as private as a post card.

Posted by: navybrat at March 17, 2013 12:30 PM (3M8g3)

109 I    don't    shoot    blanks    but    I    might     as    well.

Posted by: Yale Taft Portman: Gay Son at March 17, 2013 12:31 PM (wIgpo)

110 calling this hypocrisy is weapons-grade stupid.
Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at March 17, 2013 04:15 PM (E55AK)

Why? You subscribe to the Rob Portman school of morals and ethics? where if something happens to you or your family, you then get to change your morals and ethics to fit so as to allow or deny that behavior so that you can feel victimized? She's a hypocrite for changing her public persona because it became personal and her real opinion became more politically viable. Think she wasn't really anti gun before her getting shot? A Democrat?

If I was shot today by a ccp license holder for no reason, I would still hold my beliefs in their right to have that weapon at the time.

You cannot predict human behavior on an individual basis. When you start down that path it's going to be bad, very very bad.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 12:32 PM (Kpn/z)

111 Is that Giffords in the picture? She's wearing a Breitbart shirt. It looks like Breitbart dot com embedded a watermark in the picture, as I'm looking at the same picture at another RIGHT WING EXTREMIST web site without the watermark. Sorry about the caps, but I'm getting tired of the loony leftists.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 17, 2013 12:36 PM (feFL6)

112 I bought a rifled slug barrel and use it for deer hunting, great all purpose gun.The only thing I'd do if I could do it all over again was get the slug barrel with iron sights. The scope is heavy and awkward to use. I can hit the pie pan at decent yardage, but it added unnecessary cost to the whole endeavor.[/i[/i] I don't have a center-fire rifle. I've been thinking about getting one. I've thought about getting a rifled slug barrel for my 500 instead. Who knows, I might want to go deer hunting some day. When you say "decent yardage" what do you mean? I've read that a good slug barrel has 5" accuracy at 100 yards. Is that true?

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 12:37 PM (JQuNB)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 12:38 PM (Kpn/z)

114 If that's not a photo-shop of Gabby, then....Hah! great find.

Posted by: wheatie at March 17, 2013 12:41 PM (rwujx)

115 @  112

   Yes, 5" is very doable.  My Ithaca 37 will do a 2 1/2 inch group with Brenneke rifled slugs, shot from a rest.

   50 yards is more practical, though. Much less chance of either missing or wounding rather than killing.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 17, 2013 12:41 PM (SAMxH)

116 You owe be Bergeron. I saved you from THE BARREL™!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 12:43 PM (Kpn/z)

117 That's "you owe ME Bergeron."

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 12:44 PM (Kpn/z)

118 107 I wish everyone would get over the "nothing in the chamber" idea. If circumstances dictate a loaded weapon in the house, NOT having one up the spout means you got a club. Not optimal in an emergency. Posted by: irongrampa at March 17, 2013 04:30 PM (SAMxH) I got you, Iron. I can have one in the chamber in 1/10 of a second. It just makes me feel better. I don't argue with those who disagree with me.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 12:44 PM (JQuNB)

119 Even Gabby gets that you need an ar-15.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 17, 2013 12:44 PM (AWmfW)

120 If that's not a photo-shop of Gabby, then....Hah! great find. There's a little more background about the picture at patdollard.com Yeah, the pictures are real, and they're spectacular. Apparently, one LEO who was in the original picture -- but is now cropped out -- was given a copy of the picture by GG's office. http://tinyurl.com/bc65rjn

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 17, 2013 12:46 PM (feFL6)

121

120...Yeah, the pictures are real, and they're spectacular.

 

Thanks.

Heh...cool.

 

Posted by: wheatie at March 17, 2013 12:48 PM (rwujx)

122 115 @ 112 Yes, 5" is very doable. My Ithaca 37 will do a 2 1/2 inch group with Brenneke rifled slugs, shot from a rest. 50 yards is more practical, though. Much less chance of either missing or wounding rather than killing. Thanks. That's pretty much what others have told me. Most people say that a shotgun with a rifled slug is perfectly acceptable as a deer gun up to about 50 yards. I think I need a slug barrel for my 500, whether I ever use it or not. YAY! I get to buy more gun stuff!

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 12:51 PM (JQuNB)

123  Nagant revolver - $99

1,092 rounds in spam can - $299

Having some damn thing to shoot in 2013 - priceless.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 12:51 PM (celt+)

124 111 Got it. The placement of that watermark is a little unfortunate then. My only quibble with the hypocrite charge is, hss *she* come out against guns now? Is she even able to, or has it been her bastard of a husband? I guess I haven't paid enough attention to seperate what's been said by the media, her husband, or her specifically.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at March 17, 2013 12:54 PM (wbeNt)

125 19 "I'm still following Cyprus coverage streaming over the internet. " Its a complicated issue, there are so many threads to follow that lead to dead ends and shadowy places. If this starts bank runs in the PIIGS come Monday watch out.

Posted by: angel with a sword at March 17, 2013 12:54 PM (3RiPs)

126 And the Ithica 37 is a great shotgun. I have friends who own them. Really, a good gun. It's kind of unfair that the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870 have sucked all the oxygen out of the room regarding pump shotguns.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 12:55 PM (JQuNB)

127 Why? You subscribe to the Rob Portman school of morals and ethics?
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No. I subscribe to the dictionary, you idiot(s). If she posed with the gun last week or something, that would be hypocrisy. Showing a picture which presumably pre-dates her change of opinion does not.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at March 17, 2013 12:57 PM (E55AK)

128 I don't mind that Giffords and her bum husband changed their minds about guns. That is their prerogative.

What offends me is the sleazy, hypocritical way they are going about it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2013 12:57 PM (3Mkrp)

129

 

Here's the thing...about the hypocrisy.

 

Take for example, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers...they formed that group to target the drunk drivers who were killing/harming people...namely, kids.

 

They didn't go after 'all drivers' or go after...Cars.

They went after the drunk drivers of cars.

 

Gabby and her husband are blaming guns for what happened to her...instead of blaming the crazy guy.

 

Others on the Left, though, are now starting to address the 'crazy people with guns' issue.

Which is a slippery slope.

 

It's also another area of hypocrisy on their part...since it was the Left who has been preaching for decades that people's mental health problems cannot be held against them.

Which could be why Gabby and her hubby are choosing to 'blame guns' instead of blaming the crazy guy.

 

Posted by: wheatie at March 17, 2013 12:57 PM (rwujx)

130 Here's something that amuses my simple self:

Hold Mosin-Nagant at 45-degree angle, muzzle up. Flick bolt handle up with one finger. Watch bolt smoothly slide back on its own. Close bolt with two fingers. Snort at the notion of Mosin-Nagants as "crude" and "clunky."

I love these ugly bastards. I've got three and I was going to buy another from Cabelas for $119 on sale this week. Sadly, they never arrived.

Oh, well. I still don't have an M-38 carbine, so I should apply the $119 to that.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 12:57 PM (celt+)

131 @ 123 (Taro), What year is your nagant revolver? I like them 7 shooters and picked up a CCCP marked made in 1927. That double action trigger pull will put the strength in your fingers

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 01:00 PM (cCxiu)

132 No. I subscribe to the dictionary, you idiot(s). If she posed with the gun last week or something, that would be hypocrisy. Showing a picture which presumably pre-dates her change of opinion does not.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at March 17, 2013 04:57 PM (E55AK)

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No, idiot, changing one's opinion based solely on whether something happens to you personally is the fucking HEIGHT of hypocrisy. See, she and hubby apparently didn't give a shit about guns when it was OTHER people being shot.

Is it really that hard for you to grasp?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 01:01 PM (celt+)

133 Man Totally guessed Broomhandle Mauser, looked at the answer, looked back at the pic, and yep. I was wrong again. Oh, and nice gun Gabby. Last thought... Mark Kelly is a Strutting Peacock Golddigger of a Wifey Tragedy Fuckmop (SPGOAWTF)... too long to be cool but accurate I think.

Posted by: Optimus Prime at March 17, 2013 01:02 PM (GCzqx)

134 Don't blame me. I live in Giffords' district, but I always voted against her (but not because of her pro-gun stance). She's a big-government Dim. In the last election, I voted against her aide (Barber, who was also shot at the Safeway) too. But my vote is always cancelled out by the illegal alien voters and the idiot U of AZ voters.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at March 17, 2013 01:02 PM (/sohm)

135 Quick  question.  Are those little magazine loader thingies worth having. I was thinking of buying one for my  9mm pistol.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 01:03 PM (pDjY6)

136 @ 123 (Taro), What year is your nagant revolver?

I like them 7 shooters and picked up a CCCP marked made in 1927.

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Ah, you got me beat. Mine's a '44 Izzy.

The DA pull friggin' cramps my forearm. I did the lead-slug-under-the-mainspring trick and lightened it a little. The dumbest thing is how the hammer blocks the sights in DA mode. I'm going to Dremel out a channel in the hammer one of these days.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 01:04 PM (celt+)

137 @Taro, Classic Firearms had them M-38's on sale (1000 of them) and sold out in a day and a half. I was lucky enough to get one. There will be more coming in, just have to wait a spell. They are Molot refurbs and sure are in great condition for their age.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 01:04 PM (cCxiu)

138 Showing a picture which presumably pre-dates her change of opinion does not. Explain why. Be specific.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 17, 2013 01:05 PM (GcwH1)

139 Quick question. Are those little magazine loader thingies worth having. I was thinking of buying one for my 9mm pistol.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 05:03 PM (pDjY6)

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Hell's yes. I don't load mags without one. They're cheap enough.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 01:05 PM (celt+)

140 My only quibble with the hypocrite charge is, hss *she* come out against guns now? Here's part of a statement that is on her FB page... ''Both sides of the gun violence debate usually miss the point. We don't have to choose between owning, using, and enjoying guns, on one hand, and preventing gun violence, on the other. Both sides need to come together to support commonsense solutions to gun violence, like keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people like the young man who shot me. That's why I'm fighting this fight. That's why I'm working to bring people together to support gun rights and reduce gun violence. I hope you join me.'' Breitbart dot com has the full statement. I'm all for getting guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people, too. But it goes back to the drug companies and the Drs who prescribe those drugs and since they both are big contributors to the (D)'s nothing is ever going to happen on that front. Damn shame, too, because it's not that tough to identify who is taking/prescribing some drug that has some really, really nasty side effects. If homicide and/or suicide are some of the reported side effects of a medication (not just once or twice, but multiple times) just who the hell has the right to provide consent to administer that to a child or teenager?

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 17, 2013 01:06 PM (feFL6)

141 137 @Taro, Classic Firearms had them M-38's on sale (1000 of them) and sold out in a day and a half. I was lucky enough to get one.

There will be more coming in, just have to wait a spell. They are Molot refurbs and sure are in great condition for their age.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 05:04 PM (cCxiu)


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Excellent! One question - what's a "Molot"?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 01:06 PM (celt+)

142 Oops. One more question, Judge Roy - what were they asking for the M-38s?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 01:08 PM (celt+)

143 My only quibble with the hypocrite charge is, hss *she* come out against guns now? Is she even able to, or has it been her bastard of a husband? I guess I haven't paid enough attention to seperate what's been said by the media, her husband, or her specifically. Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at March 17, 2013 04:54 PM (wbeNt) _________________________ Giffords is significantly brain damaged. I don't think she can fairly be blamed for her husband's behavior on the gun issue. She is just saying what she is told to say now, by the people she loves and depends upon. Like a child, she wants to please. Before the shootings, Giffords was on the record as a Second Amendment supporter. I remember a campaign commercial from 2008 in which she was walking through the desert in jeans and boots, with a rifle in one hand, talking about the importance of gun rights. Don't know how much of that was her own sincerely-held beliefs, and how much was pure political calculation. Giffords' district is full of gun owners, a fact of which she was well aware.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at March 17, 2013 01:11 PM (/sohm)

144 You guys really need to learn how to argue. You don't jump into an argument with both feet based on a drive-by insult. First you make the troll make its own argument, then attack. This troll now has you guys defending your own arguments, not defending his.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 17, 2013 01:12 PM (KwX0v)

145 Don't blame me.
Horrified Observer

I hear you.  AZ got an additional congressional district in 2012 (that I live in) and, although a very close election, chose to elect communist Krysten Sinema over who I thought would be a good representative in Vernon Parker.

BTW, the Giffords picture was done while she was campaigning.  Doubtful she'd ever fired a weapon before (or after) the pic was taken.

Posted by: Timmay! at March 17, 2013 01:17 PM (bys1Q)

146 135 The loader is totally worth it. Saves wear in the fingers pretty well.

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 17, 2013 01:18 PM (Tz35j)

147 140 and 143 Thanks. Horrified Observer understood what I was getting at. A FaceBook page may or may not reflect her view if her husband is controling most of her access/ messaging. There's absolutely no doubt though that those speaking in her name are certainly trying to negate our rights as citizens.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at March 17, 2013 01:21 PM (wbeNt)

148 Why did Gabby Giffords hunt a young hispanic male with an AR-15?  Is she a racist bitter clinger?

Posted by: no good deed at March 17, 2013 01:21 PM (mjR67)

149 Explain why. Be specific.

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As hard as it is for me to believe that people who question this are college-educated - let alone well-educated, - you people are essentially suggesting that no one can change their mind about anything without it being hypocrisy. Ronald Reagan, for instance,  is a hypocrite for becoming a conservative after dealing with unions, I presume.

The definition of hypocrisy is to advocate for others something which is at odds with how you lead your own life. It's that simple. There's hypocrisy if -as reported - her hubby recently bought a semi-automatic rifle, but there's no hypocrisy based on an old pic from before she changed her position.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at March 17, 2013 01:22 PM (E55AK)

150 @ Taro, Molot is an arsenal and arms factory in Russia or the Ukraine. I can't remember which. They also make the VEPR's semi auto rifles. I got one in 7.62 x 54r. The rifle is pricey (like 800 bucks or so) but that ammo is cheap in the 440 tins. They arsenal refinish alot of old mosins too. You can always tell a Molot arsenal refinished rifle by the laser etched symbol on the bolt. Those M-38's were going for 219.99 and they look good (advertized in excellent condition). google classic firearms and you will get to the site. They still have some M-44's in stock, but I already had a couple of them, and some T-53's. I would expect as quick as they sold out other vendors like AIM etc., will be getting them in too.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 01:24 PM (cCxiu)

151 132 Taro Tsujimoto,

Yeah the whole "internal consistency" thing is tough...

when Saint Gabby was not the victim she was pro-gun enough to have a pic taken with a target I would never choose because I don't need desensitization.

Take it for what it is...they know she looks like an idiiot and are trying to scare us off from landing a haymaker.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 17, 2013 01:24 PM (LRFds)

152 5 Dig the target she used, imagine Palin doing the same. Total MSM 24/7 horror festival. Posted by: angel with a sword at March 17, 2013 03:30 PM (3RiPs) They went batshit crazy when she shot a caribou and clubbed a halibut.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 17, 2013 01:26 PM (1yk8Y)

153 144 Sooth,

correct as rabid and summarily dismissive as I get at the end of the day the troll is trying to make me feel guilty for noticing that Saint Gabby was shooting at a target I wouldn't have picked with a tricked out AR her spouse "accidentally" rebought the baseline weapon for.

Not playing its game, the troll can try to explain to me how Rambette there not having an issue with guns until she paid the price for the freedoms we have and the political machine interfering with stopping her shooter from running around uninterdicted is my problem....

live by the sword of juice and connections donkey get hurt by the sword.

Saint Gabby was not martyred by an elephant, she was lobotomized by donk on donk violence.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 17, 2013 01:28 PM (LRFds)

154 Question for you peeps that use rifled shotgun barrels for deer hunting:

Uh...is the slug fired actually whatever gauge your gun is, or is it a sabot type of round? In either case, what kind of accuracy do you get? Is it possible to inadvertently chamber, and fire a shot round with a rifled barrel? Vice versa...is it possible to chamber and fire a slug through a non rifled barrel?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 17, 2013 01:43 PM (0IhFx)

155 Yes to both Sticky Wicket . Back in my salad days most slug guns were actually cylinder or improved cylinder . The slug itself provided the spin for increased accuracy as there was no rifling in the barrel .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 17, 2013 01:47 PM (USjX1)

156 Oh I almost forgot, you shotgun guys will love this. The 12 round magazines and 20 round drums I ordered in December finally showed up this week! VP Biden told me to buy a shotgun and I listened to dumbo for once. He WAS talking about a Saiga -12 with 20 rounds drums right?

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 01:49 PM (cCxiu)

157 Oh , and some are sabots and some are called rifled slugs . The rifled slugs are the ones closer to gauge size and have raised spirals cast into the slug itself .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 17, 2013 01:49 PM (USjX1)

158 test

Posted by: by any means necessary wer case at March 17, 2013 01:51 PM (Acyax)

159 OK, I have to buy a rifled slug barrel for my Mossgerg 500. I still want a centerfire rifle. I want it cheap. I'm thinking Savage 110. used, in .308. Am I a big fat dumbass?

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 17, 2013 01:52 PM (JQuNB)

160 Loaders are worth every penny, especially if you shoot more than two magazines at a time. They even make them for AR magazines which really helps getting those last rounds in

Posted by: LindaFell at March 17, 2013 01:53 PM (PGO8C)

161 omg at a shooting range hypokrits

Posted by: JDP at March 17, 2013 01:57 PM (8HhF2)

162 Harrison , the used 110 would be a good choice for the economy minded shooter . You could also look for a used Rem. 788 . They were good inexpensive rifles back in the day .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 17, 2013 01:59 PM (USjX1)

163 "She is just saying what she is told to say now, by the people she loves and depends upon. Like a child, she wants to please." dude she's a Dem. Dems typically favor some form of gun regulation. i don't particularly care about people's opinions on this but y'all are retardedly uncharitable

Posted by: JDP at March 17, 2013 01:59 PM (8HhF2)

164 There's absolutely no doubt though that those speaking in her name are certainly trying to negate our rights as citizens. Those 'speaking in her name' may be trying to negate our rights, but I really don't see it in her words. For now, I'm giving *her* a bye. Her 'handlers' that are parading her around like a freak at a carnival show deserve scorn. Sarah Palin can *still* make a significant impact on American politics with just an internet connection and a Facebook page. We don't have to see her thin waist, or her 'rack' paraded around in person or on the nightly news to pay attention. I think what I mean is, infants and young children can't form conspiracy theories, it is not a concept their young brain can form. It takes time and some level of intelligence to enact such a drama in the brain -- connect some diverse dots, see the actors involved, form opinions about good and bad guys, weigh the evidence, or lack of evidence. So I don't automatically knee-jerk an idea a person has about a conspiracy out of hand. A lot of them are bad, but some of them eventually are found to be 'not far off the mark'. So I always try to see things on a continuum between black on one side, and white on the other, and figure out just what shade of gray makes the most sense. Try to read her statement again and try to place it on a continuum of black and white. I think you'll find the idea of keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people isn't that radical. In my own personal conspiracy theory, I see reports of the same drug being administered over and over to dangerous people who have later committed mass murder and I connect the dots in that direction and have to wonder about that drug and why it continues to be prescribed. Chicken and egg, which came first, I know. But then again, OJ Simpson, who didn't need an AR-whatever to savagely murder a couple of people. I think he was so sick that he actually preferred stabbing Ron Goldman sixty times and cutting Nicole's head from ear to ear. No drug abuse, that I've ever seen.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 17, 2013 02:07 PM (feFL6)

165 I still want a centerfire rifle. I want it cheap. I'm thinking Savage 110. used, in .308.

Am I a big fat dumbass?

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Nope. Savage makes good rifles.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 02:09 PM (celt+)

166 OK, I went to Amazon and found a 'Butler Creek 9mm-.45 Caliber'  magazine loader for less than $30. Reviews were very good. I'm going to buy it.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 02:09 PM (pDjY6)

167 Don't blame all of Arizona. It's the idiots down south.

Posted by: Shonuff at March 17, 2013 02:10 PM (jo0fs)

168 Another question. Since I was  first around guns, I've heard that dry firing is a no no. Is this true for new weapons as well as older ones? Can someone explain what gets destroyed? I assume the firing pin gets hosed.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 02:15 PM (pDjY6)

169 Guess I'm too late. Everyone has left. Maybe next week.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 02:18 PM (pDjY6)

170 OK, I went to Amazon and found a 'Butler Creek 9mm-.45 Caliber' magazine loader for less than $30. Reviews were very good. I'm going to buy it.

I have the same one.  It's great.  Takes a little practice though.

Posted by: EC at March 17, 2013 02:19 PM (doBIb)

171 Thanks EC. I have a lot of time to practice. In fact that is about all I have. Time.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 02:21 PM (pDjY6)

172 I'm tellin' ya, that vote thingy is making me like a monkey on crack.

*click*, *click*, *click*, *click*, *click*, *click*, *click*, click*
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Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 02:21 PM (Kpn/z)

173 168 Another question. Since I was first around guns, I've heard that dry firing is a no no. Is this true for new weapons as well as older ones? Can someone explain what gets destroyed? I assume the firing pin gets hosed.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 06:15 PM (pDjY6)


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Dry-firing rimfires is a big no-no. Centerfires handle it fine. But I use A-Zoom Snap-Caps anyway.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 17, 2013 02:21 PM (celt+)

174 Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 06:15 PM (pDjY6)

the full extension of the firing pin with no primer to stop it hits the stop that prevents the pin from exiting the bolt. this will cause excessive wear and some parts of the mechanism will be impacted,

Worse is a .22 has the firing pin is on the side and may contact the barrel face and break or deform which will cause misfires or fail to fire at all.

Get some snap caps that act as a cushion. Look up snap caps.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 02:24 PM (Kpn/z)

175

Taro,

 

Are the A-Zoom Snap-Caps plastic, aluminum or wood? I've read that the finish on the Aluminum ones can come off and mess things up, however they last longer.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 02:25 PM (pDjY6)

176 Ronster,

Snapcaps are cheap and you can get some when you get your Lula loader.

Posted by: EC at March 17, 2013 02:26 PM (doBIb)

177 Personally ( though I've never tried it) I don't see why a fired cartridge case wouldn't do just as well. At least in a situation where you need to de cock the weapon but don't have a decocker or snap cap.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 02:27 PM (Kpn/z)

178 Hello, y'all! Questions about Giffords: Who is that in the target picture? I remember Jared's father saw Jared acting angry and agitated and leave the house with his gun(s). Did the dad call the police? What did the police do? Did Sheriff Dupnik blame the shooting on Palin because he didn't take the warning seriously and it's really his fault?

Posted by: Mindy the wacko-bird at March 17, 2013 02:29 PM (wk9P4)

179 It's quiet.

TOO quiet.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 02:29 PM (Kpn/z)

180
Another question. Since I was first around guns, I've heard that dry firing is a no no. Is this true for new weapons as well as older ones? Can someone explain what gets destroyed? I assume the firing pin gets hosed.

Rim Fire...big ol' no-no.

Center Fire...usually not a problem.

Rim fire weapons...it's easy to picture what happens...the firing pin ends up slamming down against the edge of the firing chamber...and will gradually warp it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 17, 2013 02:30 PM (0IhFx)

181 @Taro, Classic Firearms had them M-38's on sale (1000 of them) and sold out in a day and a half. I was lucky enough to get one. Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 05:04 PM (cCxiu) I saw that sale too, and was sorely tempted, but had just recently bought a sweet little Mosin-Nagant M44 (the later carbine version of the Mosin rifle), and couldn't justify yet another buy to my usually very tolerant girlfriend. 'If it can't be killed with a Mosin, it can't be killed.'

Posted by: troyriser at March 17, 2013 02:31 PM (ptcFO)

182 Well, the only person AT FAULT is Loughner. Everyone else had responsiblities but failed in keeping them.

It's sometimes difficult to predict when someone will go off the deep end. Most don't.

It's just Monday morning quarterbacking to try to "fix" a problem that can't even be defined.

How can we predict the unpredictable?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 17, 2013 02:32 PM (Kpn/z)

183
TOO quiet.

We're all very busy atm.

1. Watching Pr0n, and/or gun videos.

2. Watching Cyprus burn to the ground.

3. Passed out, (It is St. Patrick's day)

My money is on numbers one, through three.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 17, 2013 02:32 PM (0IhFx)

184 Took the wife and family out shooting today.  My stepson has .45 Long Colt revolver, a cowboy gun.  My shot that and my .40 autos and was too scared to fire the 12g pump shotties we had.  She was afraid she was going to end up like those girls on Youtube, on her ass wondering why she was looking at the sky.  Anyhow, I asked which gun she liked best and she said the revolver because it was simple to operate, but shook her body like an earthquake.

Posted by: EC at March 17, 2013 02:33 PM (doBIb)

185 Someone mentioned the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest in the previous thread. I've been following this contest for years. This is a favorite entry of mine:


“I know what you’re thinking, punk,” hissed Wordy Harry to his new editor, “you’re thinking, ‘Did he use six superfluous adjectives or only five?’ – and to tell the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement; but being as this is English, the most powerful language in the world, whose subtle nuances will blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel loquacious?’ – well do you, punk?”

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 17, 2013 02:36 PM (0IhFx)

186
Reminder that:

NRA Life Memberships are currently $300.00 until 4/16/13. (Normally $1,000)

http://tinyurl.com/d6u5tx8

Includes a free duffel bag, flashlight and NRA magazine of your choice.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 17, 2013 02:37 PM (kdS6q)

187 Thanks to all who helped with my questions. I appreciate the information.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 02:40 PM (pDjY6)

188 357  Ruger Security Six...If I was looking to buy at a store. How much used, or new?  I have used this weapon and like it.  I dont know the current value of any handgun in todays market.

Posted by: by any means necessary wer case at March 17, 2013 02:52 PM (Acyax)

189 It's a Bergmann-Bayard, not the Bergmann Mars. You can see the manufacturer's name (Pieper) if you increase the size of the photo. Always thought these were interesting pistols, and the 9mm Bayard (AKA 9mm Largo) is a very respectable, hot 9mm close to the .38 Super in power.

Posted by: leftcoast at March 17, 2013 03:07 PM (WDvf2)

190 Results of mental health examination: insane. Reason: wants to buy a gun. STFU, Lindsayloo.

Posted by: eman at March 17, 2013 03:09 PM (64rcm)

191 You all obviously have no conception of the amount of money to be made by setting up a non-profit committed to halting the spread of gun violence.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at March 17, 2013 03:16 PM (p4U6S)

192 I can totally understand Giffords changing her stance as a result of taking a bullet to the head.  I can even understand her husband changing his stance after watching his wife's transformation as a result.  The idea that our opinions are not formed by personal experience is just plain wrong. 

Would we call the mother of a Sandy Hook victim a hypocrite if she was previously pro 2nd and then changed her opinion as a result of losing her child?  No, we would weigh it in the context of her personal tragedy and (hopefully) take pity on her.

 What bothers me about Gifford is that her very biased (but understandable) opinion has been manipulated by others whose motives are less than honorable.



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Posted by: elliot at March 17, 2013 03:17 PM (8zGOf)

193 Back from checking on the ancient neighbors. Backordered a Mossberg 18.5 security barrel from Cabelas in the meantime for me new Mossy. Good price. These barrels are on Ebay with 30 bids already and still 5-6 days before the end of the auction.

Chaos, dudes.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 03:18 PM (4Mv1T)

194 I think Gabby was shooting at young Andy Pettitte.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at March 17, 2013 03:26 PM (hFALd)

195 @181 Troy, I like those mosins too. Them darn things are addictive. I have a hex, a sniper, 2 m-44s, 2 T-53's, the M-38 and a finn mosin (that ones darn accurate). I have an 03 FFL and like to collect old guns. Its something you can hunt with, target shoot with, defend the home with (I live in a rural area) and also you can hold a piece of history in your hands. I really like that aspect and like to research when the gun was made, where was it made, where was it used, what the arsenal marks mean, etc. I just got in a K-31 and it had the soldier tag under the butt plate with that fellers name, birth year (1930), what unit he was in, where he was stationed etc.. Some of those old guns are spot accurate and almost unused (like the Persian Mauser). Its been quite the enjoyable hobby.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 03:41 PM (cCxiu)

196 Everyone's in the thread above taking bets on the collapse of a certain Mediterranean, soon to be Subterranean country,

Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2013 03:41 PM (4Mv1T)

197 Okay I have tell someone and since none of you morons know MR. SATrose, this is a good place to do so!! (No this is not some weird sex confession, I save those for other sites - arar) I THINK my wonderful, marvelous hubby is getting me an AR-15 for my birthday this month!!! I am so excited!!! Now, if that does indeed happen, are there any rifle courses here in the Hill country ya'll can recommend?? I just got back from the Farnham defensive hand gun course - that was an intense two day event! It was really good, I got my stance, grip, trigger pull, EVERYTHING critiqued. Really helped me correct bad habits. Okay, don't tell hubby that I know, okay?? I am sooo stoked!

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at March 17, 2013 03:49 PM (eWdG9)

198 #135 Do it!!! Like the commenter above, they absolutely save your fingers. I loaded over 400 rounds last weekend - wouldn't be able to do that without that thing.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at March 17, 2013 03:52 PM (eWdG9)

199 #12 for any gun parts you may need try Midway. Excellent selection and usually the best price. http://www.midwayusa.com/ Shipping is always a bit, so order all the stuff you need or might need all at once. They got EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Baconfat at March 17, 2013 03:56 PM (V9ENJ)

200

San Antonio Rose,

 

Congrats on your new toy. Lucky you.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2013 04:01 PM (pDjY6)

201 Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 17, 2013 07:41 PM (cCxiu) My 'new' Mosin-Nagant M44 carbine kicks more than the full-length rifle version and shoots fireballs out the muzzle because of the power of the cartridge and the (comparative) shortness of the barrel. I zeroed the sites last week (using a rubber hammer and a punch to drift the front sight after I discovered the Mosin rifle sight tool doesn't work on the carbine). Fireballs. God help me but I love it so.

Posted by: troyriser at March 17, 2013 04:29 PM (ptcFO)

202 #200 Thanks - I hope that I am correct. By the way, have you ever heard of a website called Gunbroker.com??? Anyone out there? I am looking for a Smith and Wesson M&P 9c, and they have some out there for a reasonable price. I have a Glock 19 and a Glock 26, but the M&P9c really fits by hand/grip. It this an okay way to purchase, through this site, or is it shady??

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at March 17, 2013 04:33 PM (eWdG9)

203 It this an okay way to purchase, through this site, or is it shady?? Posted by: San Antonio Rose at March 17, 2013 08:33 PM (eWdG9) I haven't done any business via Gunbroker but they do have a solid reputation--believe me, if they didn't, you'd hear the squawking and squeals of outrage on every gun board in America. I have, however, bought firearms through GunsAmerica, and know from personal experience that they're very legit.

Posted by: troyriser at March 17, 2013 04:49 PM (ptcFO)

204 I counted 17 holes in Gifford's target. If I recall correctly, 17 is more than 10.

Posted by: Yer Local Einstein at March 17, 2013 05:00 PM (nEDGE)

205 I added a Taurus 605CH to the hoard this week and the damn thing is so perfect I hate to touch it. My other revolvers are truck guns and I don't care. This one hasn't a scratch or a pit anywhere on the bluing. I feel like I need to wear cotton gloves when I hold it.

Posted by: toby928© is crashing hard at March 17, 2013 05:45 PM (QupBk)

206 Gunbroker is quite legit. I have used it a dozen times. The prices tend to be higher than what you can buy locally through the classifieds or word of mouth since thousands of people can see the items and there is probably a half dozen that want the item that you want. I find the only way to use them is to know what you want, set a price point that you will pay and don't exceed it. If you don't get the item be patient and wait for another to show up.

Posted by: toby928© is crashing hard at March 17, 2013 05:48 PM (QupBk)

207 Btw, the Taurus Model 605 was a gunbroker.com item.

Posted by: toby928© is crashing hard at March 17, 2013 05:49 PM (QupBk)

208 San AntonioRose--THE only rifle course worth taking is the Appleseed course (www.appleseedinfo.org).  They even have a specific course just for the ladies called Ladyseed (appleseedinfo.org/ladyseed.php).  They have them in various parts of Texas as well as other states.  Guaranteed you will be a much better marksman/gunowner when you graduate from their class.

Posted by: SilverBlue at March 17, 2013 06:07 PM (r6wtL)

209 thanks for the advice toby928, appreciate it. Sounds like your Taurus is your new baby! I will look up the appleseed course asap and bookmark it, SilverBlue. Now I just have to wait for my present!! Man if it isn't a rifle I will be sooo disappointed!!

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at March 17, 2013 07:00 PM (eWdG9)

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