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April 21, 2013

Gun Thread 4-21-2013
— Dave in Texas

Our friend Andy is somewhere in Georgia terrorizing wild turkeys. Or drinking Wild Turkey. Maybe both*. I am your substitute gun guy today. I don't do this for a living you know, so let's do this thing. Let's have sex.

Where to start.. Oooo.. Andy left me a template. Lessee here...

Gun Thread April 21 2013

CONTENT

Ok I think content goes here. The United States Senate engaged in some superflous idiotic drama in the wake of Newtown (never let a crisis go to waste) and attempted to push the leftish gun-grabbing agenda with some incremental anti Second Amendment nonsensical legislation. Hurried law is bad law, see New York state.

They started with a) ban "assault weapons" (a non-sequitor, all weapons may be used to assault persons), 2) ban high-capacity magazines (washed up overactor Jim Carrey screamed about this for weeks, along with carnival barker Piers Morgan) and 4) enhanced background checks, whatever the hell those are.

The Brady bill (1993? I don't feel like lookin it up) established the National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is managed by the FBI. If you purchase a firearm from a dealer with an FFL, you are subject to the requirements of this law before you can take possession of the weapon. In some states (like TEXAS mofos!) proof of a previous background check or possession of a state-issued concealed carry license is considered as fulfilling the requirements of this law.

So if I bought a weapon today, I still have to fill out form 4473, but they don't have to call me in. Incidentally that's the form that Buzz Lightyear didn't complete when he was buying a used AR-15 which requires you to declare whether the weapon is for you or somebody else. Also he's an idiot.

Anyway, our pal Slublog had some very smart things to say about the response of President Obama who threw down after getting beaten in this round, pitching a fit in his Rose Garden press conference surrounded by props. You should read it all, but this was my favorite part:

Still, the president wasn't just angry because he lost. He was angry because he lost to people who hold an opinion he's unable and unwilling to understand and who he seems to regard as beneath him. Last night, Obama showed us the anger that lurks under the no-drama exterior and revealed what we on the right have known for years - he's thoroughly a man of the left, and shares the left's contempt for those who believe that the second amendment is not a collective right, but an individual right for a collective purpose - ultimately, the preservation of a "free state." Our belief in individual liberty makes us inconvenient, and our refusal to acquiesce to the Benevolent and All-Knowing, All Providing Nanny State makes us barriers to the goals of the left.

Bitter clingers.

Gun Of The Week

(answer below)

This must be where the gun of the week goes. Ok.

Marksmanship Award

All the LEOs who shot the shit out of that boat where the second asshole bombing brother was bleeding out.

That boat's got more holes in it than my alibi about last Saturday night.

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That there is a Smith and Wesson N-Frame snub-nose 357, a Performance Center 627. It's an 8 shot model (probably illegal in New York now). It's right purty and I deserve to own one. Some smart gun guy, I think it was Kim DuToit said (in the context of semi-automatic pistols vs. revolvers) "A revolver is like a fork. You just pick it up and it works."

Tips

If there are topics you're interested in seeing in the gun thread, please send them to AoSHQGunThread at gmail. You can also send them to me on Twitter at @AndyM1911.

Defend the Second Amendment. Join: The National Rifle Association * Gun Owners of America * The National Shooting Sports Foundation * Your state's second amendment org.

Celebrate America's firearms heritage: participate in Project Appleseed.

* just kidding. Guns and booze are a bad thing. See Terry Kath, et.al.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 10:15 AM | Comments (384)
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1 Cease fire, and holster your weapon. The Gun Thread's up.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:15 AM (4Mv1T)

2 Reposted from the AM open thread (it belongs here):

. . . This is a Complete FBI /Police Fuck Up. It has almost been a week since the bombing and the FBI has 'nt released shit, even though they locked down a City of three million for two days and confiscated a ton of private citizen's weapons. The parents say the FBI was all over the older brother, but they missed all the signs that he was working with Jihadi's. They wouldn't have found the younger brother unless a private citizen hadn't found him first. The clueless kid who was badly wounded ( in the neck and chest), yet somehow managed to hijack a car right in front of the Police, drive off, ( after running down and killing his brother trying to hit Police) ,elude the Police chase and find sanctuary in this boat outside the Police search area. Great work guys.

Yep, the real masterminds are likely long gone but this group of Buraq Hussein Led clowns at the FBI investigating this case will never find who really led this attack. Perhaps they and BossMaster Buraq don't want you to know.

Posted by: Unsk at April 21, 2013 01:16 PM (PICWN)

Posted by: boulder hobo at April 21, 2013 10:17 AM (QTHTd)

3 That's a pretty gun. If someone wanted to get me that for Mothers Day, I wouldn't say no.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 21, 2013 10:17 AM (P6QsQ)

4 For those who would like to follow the latest in self-defense success stories, check out Equal Force. http://bit.ly/YBCDJZ You can also follow them on twitter at https://twitter.com/EqlF1

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 10:17 AM (piMMO)

5 Terry Kath apparently didn't understand semiautomatic pistols. From Wiki: Around 5 p.m., on January 23, 1978, after a party at roadie/band technician Don Johnson's home in Woodland Hills, Los Angeles, California, Kath took an unloaded .38 revolver and put it to his head, pulling the trigger several times on the empty chambers. Johnson had warned Kath several times to be careful. Kath then picked up a semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and, leaning back in a chair, said to Johnson, "Don't worry, it's not loaded". To assuage Johnson's concerns, Kath showed the empty magazine to Johnson. Kath then replaced the magazine in the gun, put the gun to his temple, and pulled the trigger. However, there was a round in the chamber, and Kath died instantly.[11]

Posted by: rickl at April 21, 2013 10:19 AM (sdi6R)

6 I wondered if anyone would get the Terry Kath reference. Well done sir.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 21, 2013 10:21 AM (pUqSw)

*does grabby hands towards that SandW revolver*

Also, good gratuituous Terry Kath shoutout. He was the heart and soul of that band: they could breathe fire while he was alive.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 10:21 AM (+z4pE)

8 From 2005 when the Brady Campaign tried to assault the bastions of the 2d Amendment. With some shoddy writing or malicious writing, you decide.

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2005/02/oh-those-evil-guns.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 21, 2013 10:22 AM (ZZGff)

9 According to Obama 46 out of 100 constitutes a majority. I must have skipped math class that day.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 10:22 AM (t1VIV)

10 Terry Kath apparently didn't understand semiautomatic pistols. From Wiki: Around 5 p.m., on January 23, 1978, after a party at roadie/band technician Don Johnson's home in Woodland Hills, Los Angeles, California, Kath took an unloaded .38 revolver and put it to his head, pulling the trigger several times on the empty chambers. Johnson had warned Kath several times to be careful. Kath then picked up a semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and, leaning back in a chair, said to Johnson, "Don't worry, it's not loaded". To assuage Johnson's concerns, Kath showed the empty magazine to Johnson. Kath then replaced the magazine in the gun, put the gun to his temple, and pulled the trigger. However, there was a round in the chamber, and Kath died instantly.[11] *** Proof, once again, that success does not = intelligence.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 10:23 AM (piMMO)

11 According to Obama 46 out of 100 constitutes a majority. I must have skipped math class that day. *** Worse than that... it's a MANDATE!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 10:23 AM (piMMO)

12 I wanted one of those 8-shot .357's for awhile last year, but the cost kept me from it. I was watching them on gunbroker for a couple of months and never saw one for under $900. None of the shops around me ever stocked one. I was looking at them in all black, night guard or something like that..

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 10:24 AM (/jHWN)

13 My favorite Terry Kath song: http://youtu.be/d3T2RW1xtic

Posted by: Gran at April 21, 2013 10:24 AM (0pcT0)

14 Kath should have stuck to guitars.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 10:24 AM (t1VIV)

15 According to Obama 46 out of 100 constitutes a majority. I must have skipped math class that day.

Posted by: navybrat

In fascism everything adds up to the State.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 21, 2013 10:24 AM (5Hl3g)

16 So a question for the shootists here. I took my new XDs to the range yesterday. 3.3 inch barrel. I was shootin' all over the place with that thing. I'm thinkin' .45ACP is great and all, but with only a five round mag, there's a real good chance I'll miss the badguys alltogther.

I can get and extended 7 round mag, which improves my odds incrementally.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:24 AM (4Mv1T)

17 Posted by: rickl at April 21, 2013 02:19 PM (sdi6R)

Some of my best work.....

Posted by: Charles Darwin at April 21, 2013 10:24 AM (/WLC3)

18 My mother has a coworker who's son pulled a Terry Kath last year. It isn't a hard saying to remember people. All guns are always loaded.

Posted by: Adam at April 21, 2013 10:25 AM (Aif/5)

19 There wasn't exactly a question in there, was there.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:25 AM (4Mv1T)

20 I can get and extended 7 round mag, which improves my odds incrementally.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 02:24 PM (4Mv1T)

The extended mag may also improve your grip, which will improve your groups, which will improve your potential lethality.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 10:25 AM (/WLC3)

21 Good discussion over at Protein Wisdom on the lock-down in Boston and how many citizens were locked in their homes defenseless while the cops searched..... and too, the shithead was only found when the lock-down was stopped and normal citizens were allowed to look around their own properties. A worthy debate in the comments.

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 10:26 AM (/jHWN)

22 In fascism everything adds up to the State.

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It's amazing to me that the very same generation that protested against The Establishment are now either heading up the Establishment and/or are clamoring for more of it.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 21, 2013 10:27 AM (P6QsQ)

23 Yep, the real masterminds are likely long gone I don't think so. Excepting, of course, passengers to Saudi Arabia, we've been checking everybody who looks like a gun-owner.

Posted by: TSA at April 21, 2013 10:27 AM (FcR7P)

24 Kath was a pretty good guitarist but does anyone besides me remember the LP (maybe a double LP) that had one whole side of just him playing guitar solo, lots of distortion?

What a waste of wax...

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 10:27 AM (t1VIV)

25 All guns are always loaded.

Posted by: Adam at April 21, 2013 02:25 PM (Aif/5)

Yet that is too complicated for some.

I add: "Never point your weapon at anything you don't want to shoot."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 10:28 AM (/WLC3)

26 Kath violated at least two basic safety rules: Check to make sure the gun is not loaded (which means opening the action), and keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. It's hard for me to think that he was not suicidal. Who points an "empty" gun at his own head and pulls the trigger?

Posted by: rickl at April 21, 2013 10:28 AM (sdi6R)

27 I can get and extended 7 round mag, which improves my odds incrementally. Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 02:24 PM (4Mv1T) TR, Full size pistols shoot better than compacts and subcompacts the decision is shoot well or conceal well.

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 10:28 AM (zzeVM)

28 Thanks CBD. Good point. The current grip is actually comfortable to me, as the pinky just curls up and parks under the current 5 rd mag quite comfortably. But for $40, I think I'll try the ext. mag.

For the life of me, I don't even know what else I would prefer if I sold/traded it.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:28 AM (4Mv1T)

29 Nice Kath reference. I bet he was surprised when he re-awakened in the afterlife.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 21, 2013 10:29 AM (jucos)

30 It's hard for me to think that he was not suicidal. Who points an "empty" gun at his own head and pulls the trigger? Posted by: rickl at April 21, 2013 02:28 PM (sdi6R) A drunken idiot.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 21, 2013 10:29 AM (GEICT)

31 According to Obama 46 out of 100 constitutes a majority. I must have skipped math class that day. It constitutes a B+, as well. How would he know any different?

Posted by: t-bird at April 21, 2013 10:29 AM (FcR7P)

just kidding. Guns and booze are a bad thing. See Terry Kath, et.al.

Wrong Guns and booze are a great thing. Just in that order. First the guns, and then the booze.

Posted by: buzzion at April 21, 2013 10:29 AM (LI48c)

33 So a question for the shootists here. I took my new XDs to the range yesterday. 3.3 inch barrel. I was shootin' all over the place with that thing. I'm thinkin' .45ACP is great and all, but with only a five round mag, there's a real good chance I'll miss the badguys alltogther. I can get and extended 7 round mag, which improves my odds incrementally. *** My XD 40 subcompact is pretty damned accurate.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 10:30 AM (piMMO)

34 Thanks Jake- I actually posted it for sale/trade last night to see if I could get something in a 4" barrel with 10+ rd mag. Not sure if the extra 3/4 of an inch would improve things that much without trying.

I'm a good sized dude in all dimensions so I can conceal more easily than the little fellers.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:31 AM (4Mv1T)

35 As I posted earlier in the book thread: I just got an interesting project at work. I work in a printing shop, and a customer came in on Friday with an old book. He wants me to scan the pages and print copies on our high-end inkjet printer. The book measures 24" wide by 9 5/8" high. It's bound in red leather with marbled endpapers. It doesn't appear to have a title. On the cover is the gold embossed seal of the Royal Arsenal. The book consists of 43 color lithographed drawings of military ordnance. They are dated between 1861 and 1867. Each is signed by E. M. Boxer, who does not appear to have a Wikipedia page of his own. However, I have found a couple of references to him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_primer#Boxer_primer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrapnel_shell#British_artillery_adoption The drawings at the second link are similar to what is seen in the book. The owner believes that it may be the only copy in existence.

Posted by: rickl at April 21, 2013 10:31 AM (sdi6R)

36 Kath violated at least two basic safety rules: He violated all of them, but two was enough.

Posted by: t-bird at April 21, 2013 10:32 AM (FcR7P)

37 >> Who points an "empty" gun at his own head and pulls the trigger? Like B said, a drunk guy. Helluva guitarist.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 21, 2013 10:32 AM (pUqSw)

38 NDH- I am actually quite interested in the XD Subcompact in .45.

Thanks for mentioning that.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:32 AM (4Mv1T)

Andy should be in my backyard.

F'n Turkey all over the place.

Posted by: garrett at April 21, 2013 10:33 AM (Hrxj6)

40 @24 I think this is what you were referring to... from the CTA album: http://youtu.be/h1soGncyUFg

Posted by: Gran at April 21, 2013 10:33 AM (0pcT0)

41 What's this about Boston PD confiscating weapons from private citizens? I hadn't heard that.

Posted by: L, elle at April 21, 2013 10:33 AM (DTIOJ)

42 He really is exactly what the left purported to hate Bush for being. Fucking Lie-bots.

Posted by: eleven at April 21, 2013 10:33 AM (fsLdt)

43 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 02:28 PM (4Mv1T)

Comfortable isn't necessarily repeatable.

I have a Colt .22 semi-auto that isn't particularly comfortable to hold, but the design of the grip makes it almost impossible to hold differently. That makes the grip repeatable and thus accurate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 10:33 AM (/WLC3)

44 I like my various .45s but I am not worth a shit after 20 yards with any of them. And within 20 yards I am thinking that is too close and I will be not worth a shit with anything that is shooting back.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 10:34 AM (t1VIV)

45 Hold my beer and watch this!

Posted by: last words at April 21, 2013 10:34 AM (QTHTd)

46 I meant XD compact, not subcompact. I already have the subcompact.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:34 AM (4Mv1T)

47 @40, god, yes, that was it. What a bunch of self indulgent crap. Spare me. Same thing that killed jazz.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 10:35 AM (t1VIV)

48 Was able to get out to the range and shoot a match this weekend. did pretty well, had a fantastic jam that while I was clearing it I said to the Range Offices " man this seems like alot of time" after I finished the stage the RO said that it took 26 seconds to clear the jam ouch

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 10:36 AM (zzeVM)

49 How many holes in a cylinder does a person really need? It's not like you can hunt deer with eight shots. Instead get yourself an AT-4 and shoot it at the door from inside.

Posted by: Joe Biden, who loves a few cocktails at April 21, 2013 10:36 AM (sOtz/)

50 @32 - Once or twice a year (Memorial Day and/or Labor Day) I have my troops out to my place for the "Bullets, Brats, and Beer"-fest. And make no mistake: they are In.That.Order. Not negotiable. Always a good time (and the kids love shooting assorted EBRs at watermelons) and we haven't lost anyone yet.

Posted by: Alte Schüle at April 21, 2013 10:36 AM (DSXU+)

51 Most gun accidents are committed by sober people...

Posted by: somejoe at April 21, 2013 10:37 AM (SSWdi)

Kath was a pretty good guitarist but does anyone besides me remember the LP (maybe a double LP) that had one whole side of just him playing guitar solo, lots of distortion?

What a waste of wax...

Kath was a great guitarist, but I agree, that track was far from his best work. Methinks he was trying to establish himself as a Guitar God or the next Jimi Hendrix, or something.

He did much better within the framework of that band.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 10:37 AM (+z4pE)

53 11 According to Obama 46 out of 100 constitutes a majority. I must have skipped math class that day. Obama + anything >> Obama.

Posted by: Obama at April 21, 2013 10:38 AM (EsTrr)

From the CDC's own website:

Number of Firearms Homicides, 2010: 11,078 (down from 2009)

Number of Firearms Suicides, 2010: 19,392 (up from 2009)

Number of Motor Vehicle Fatalities, 2010: 35,498 (down from 2009)

Interestingly enough, when it comes to overall Causes of Death, "Firearms Homicide" doesn't even make the Top Ten....

Oh, and the number of children between the ages of 5-9 who are killed each year? Less than 60 in 2010.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 21, 2013 10:38 AM (ADnWI)

55 After many years of watching my husband go out turkey hunting, I have come to the sad conclusion that the best gun for this purpose is no gun at all. Why bother to carry the thing when you almost never get a shot off? And then these guys gather around the kitchen table talking for hours about the turkey they almost saw, almost heard. Funniest hobby in the world.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 21, 2013 10:38 AM (C8mVl)

56 Oh shit i mean Obama >> not Obama + anything Racist math

Posted by: Obama at April 21, 2013 10:39 AM (EsTrr)

57 Pointing an empty gun at the side of your head seems to be a sign of repressed self-hate. Especially if you pull the trigger. What else could it mean?

Posted by: eleven at April 21, 2013 10:39 AM (fsLdt)

58 I'm a wheel gun guy at heart...

hey I promised the other week and sort of glossed over it...if anyone wants/needs help on accessorizing their EBR or finding the goodies give me a holler and i'll share links and thoughts.

gonna go to my gunsmith and engage in the visitation my pistol seems to be under since I divorced reality and decided to trick it out.

Yea gunsmiths!

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 10:39 AM (LRFds)

59 ouch

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 02:36 PM (zzeVM)

Um....26 seconds?

Did you have to remove the slide?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 10:39 AM (/WLC3)

60 Huh. My comment about the book with the Boxer drawings actually got a bigger response on the book thread. I would have expected it to be the other way around. I was planning to post it on the gun thread first.

Posted by: rickl at April 21, 2013 10:40 AM (sdi6R)

61 Oh, and thanks for stepping in DIT.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 10:40 AM (piMMO)

62 on pistol grips and comfort....

the goal of a good pistol grip is to force the shooter to maintain an ergonomic "cheek weld" so you shoot like you practice.

a lack of discomfort is as much comfort as you 'need' repeatable sight picture is the key

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 10:40 AM (LRFds)

63 Where to start.. Oooo.. Andy left me a template. Lessee here... When in doubt, always go with "Superiority of .45 acp over 9mm ". Should be good for a couple of hundred comments.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 21, 2013 10:41 AM (6Q3cL)

64 I took my new XDs to the range yesterday. 3.3 inch barrel. I was shootin' all over the place with that thing.

Yeah. It was the gun, not your delicate effeminate hands. Maybe you should stick to picking tiny flowers in the forest and leave the big boys toys to tough guys like me.

Posted by: Rogue Space Herpe at April 21, 2013 10:41 AM (OZoBY)

65 3 Mama Winger,

Mama Winger, one day I may have to take you to an FFL and transfer a pistol to you....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 10:41 AM (LRFds)

66 16. Both the wife and I have XDs' She's tiny and did this: Switched to the extended mag Got a new smaller grip And had the trigger pressure lightened Ill have her give the details on the ont

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 21, 2013 10:43 AM (oR0vZ)

67 12 Yip,

I'd consider a Chiappa Rhino maybe....

http://tinyurl.com/7xk7jys

Gonna get either one of these or a Sig P-250 mr tater gun next month

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 10:43 AM (LRFds)

68 > 12 I wanted one of those 8-shot .357's for awhile last year, but the cost kept me from it. I was watching them on gunbroker for a couple of months and never saw one for under $900. Posted by: Yip The Taurus 608 is available in a 4" version. That's a sweet 8 shot .357. I've fired the 607 (an earlier 7 shot model) and it's comfortable, has a smooth mechanism and all the options I'd want to add* included. *adjustable sight, magna-port style vent, padded grips.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 21, 2013 10:44 AM (vHxiM)

69 I took my new XDs to the range yesterday. 3.3 inch barrel. I was shootin' all over the place with that thing. *** Ear protection? Have you fired such a large caliber before? Are you flinching or are you exerting too much pressure on your trigger pull?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 10:44 AM (piMMO)

70 63 RickB223,

I will not volunteer to be shot with either one nay not even .17 hornet.....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 10:44 AM (LRFds)

71 Both the wife and I have XDs' She's tiny and did this: Switched to the extended mag Got a new smaller grip And had the trigger pressure lightened Ill have her give the details on the ont *** The extended mag makes it much more comfortable.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 10:45 AM (piMMO)

You know this had to come about.

http://tinyurl.com/d6malqd

Posted by: harleycowboy at April 21, 2013 10:45 AM (+9AX9)

73 39 ---"Andy should be in my backyard. F'n Turkey all over the place." Posted by: garrett at April 21, 2013 02:33 PM (Hrxj6) ------------------- Yeah, we have a herd of about 20 of 'em that hang out on our property too. Unfortunately, we are in city limits....and the gobblers know it. They do the nyah-nyah-boo-boo dance. Now, if Mr. DeVille were truly serious about getting a turkey, he'd take up bow hunting. I'm pretty sure it would be legal for him to shoot his limit right here at home. But he says it's "hunting," not "getting." Just like it's "fishing," not "catching." *sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 21, 2013 10:46 AM (C8mVl)

74 Um....26 seconds? Did you have to remove the slide? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 02:39 PM (/WLC3) the extractor would not grab the spent case, so I waas trying the 'tactical fingernail' technique

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 10:46 AM (zzeVM)

75 Speaking of jams. That XD has the USA trigger safety right? So while I was at the line at the range yesterday, I reloaded, aimed, pulled the trigger, and the trigger wouldn't budge. Not sure if it is repeatable to determine what happened.

I waited 30 seconds, dropped the mag, racked the slide to clear the unfired round, reloaded and off and away. That round was later fired, so it wasn't a failure to fire as much as the trigger wouldn't budge that one time.

Not familiar enough with striker fire and USA trigger safety to know what happened. I had a healthy grip on it so the grip safety was fully depressed.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:47 AM (4Mv1T)

76 beck is saying he has 6 congressmen and steve emerson, who broke the saudi deportation story on hannity, backing up what he is going to break Monday. Should be fun.

Posted by: biscuits mahoney at April 21, 2013 10:47 AM (DW8dI)

77 Thanks for the tips. I've seen pics of that Rhino and vids, but damn, it's still kinda fugly to me... I keep thinking it will grow on me but it hasn't.. heh I've not considered Taurus... been collecting Colts and S&W wheelies for a couple of years. I just like 'em. I don't carry them though..

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 10:48 AM (/jHWN)

78 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 02:47 PM (4Mv1T) could have been the grip safety doing that too. I'm out for a bit while I watch the grommet run around outside

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 10:49 AM (zzeVM)

Again, sleeper cell, a dozen jihadis maybe, in URL.

That seems like a flaming hijabed skull to me, with crossed scimitars.

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 10:49 AM (sOtz/)

80 I took my new XDs to the range yesterday. 3.3 inch barrel. I was shootin' all over the place with that thing. I took out a ruler to see how big 3.3" was. To a beginning pistol shooter like me, that seems more like an opening in the gun than a barrel. I'd probably need an archery target at 5 yards to score points.

Posted by: t-bird at April 21, 2013 10:49 AM (FcR7P)

81 77 Yip,

utility has a beauty all its own...

the ergonomics are for CCW and the muzzle flip is minimal...

nice shooting piece.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 10:50 AM (LRFds)

82 Turkey hunting sounds more frustrating than golf. Why do we do these things to ourselves?

Posted by: eleven at April 21, 2013 10:50 AM (fsLdt)

83 you guys read that the Chechen bomber has neck wound and they don't know if he'll ever be able to speak again? Yahoo has story .. Can they coerce written stuff? heh...

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 10:50 AM (/jHWN)

84 NDH- Fair questions. I've had a Colt 1911 for 20 years, although the little subcompact XDs in 45ACP is quite the little firecracker in the hand. The back strap is interchangeable and it feels much like a 1911 so I am otherwise comfortable with it.

I use gel earplugs, under Browning earphones.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 10:51 AM (4Mv1T)

85 sven... I know , I know... functionality and all. I'm not counting them out cause I think once I see one in person I could be persuaded.. heh

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 10:51 AM (/jHWN)

86 Turkey hunting sounds more frustrating than golf. Why do we do these things to ourselves? Beats shopping for drapes with the missus.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 21, 2013 10:53 AM (6Q3cL)

87 'tactical fingernail' technique"

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 02:46 PM (zzeVM)

Did you get a manicure before the match?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 10:55 AM (/WLC3)

88 you guys read that the Chechen bomber has neck wound and they don't know if he'll ever be able to speak again? Yahoo has story .. Can they coerce written stuff? heh... The answer is: do they have testicular clamps? Put the tightening mechanism on an oh, twelve-day timer.

Posted by: t-bird at April 21, 2013 10:55 AM (FcR7P)

89 What do you use for shooting turkey, anyway?

I hate eating birds killed with shot, I always ending up eating shot, breaking teeth, etc. I don't even do it anymore. Last time a pal came back from a dove hunt and we ate dove. Cost me $1100 in dental bills.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 10:55 AM (t1VIV)

90 What I've found in this life is that hunting and fishing and golf, as frustrating as they can be sometimes, are infinately better than having to actually spend time with the old lady. I have my wifes permission to say that too.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 21, 2013 10:55 AM (jucos)

91 Who is gonna ask the question "Are the guns used by those terrorist traceable to FnF?" Don't really think they are but the question should raise awareness to this stalled FnF investigation. And, I wonder how many Massachusetts residents wish they had a gun during the shut-in?

Posted by: sTevo at April 21, 2013 10:56 AM (8Ylyo)

92 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 02:47 PM (4Mv1T)

Not good.

I don't know the XD, but could you have hit the safety by mistake?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 10:58 AM (/WLC3)

93 And, I wonder how many Massachusetts residents wish they had a gun during the shut-in? Posted by: sTevo at April 21, 2013 02:56 PM (8Ylyo) ------------------------------------------------------ I don't believe for a minute that MA residents are unarmed. I live in MD and EVERYONE that I know has at least one gun. That being said, they sure did act, continue to act like mewling pussies in response to what's happened up there this week.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 21, 2013 10:58 AM (jucos)

94 I want that gun. It's pretty.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2013 10:58 AM (lVPtV)

95 Kim DuToit- that's a name I haven't seen for a while. I miss his writings. Hope he and family are doing OK. Certainly better than they were in Chicago.

Posted by: Bill H at April 21, 2013 10:59 AM (3sZO1)

96 9 According to Obama 46 out of 100 constitutes a majority. I must have skipped math class that day.
They are a majority because they vote several times per election.

Posted by: ALH at April 21, 2013 10:59 AM (eqV3Q)

Is that gun available in pink camophlage?

Posted by: ALH at April 21, 2013 11:00 AM (eqV3Q)

98 A great post over at Chicago Boyz by "Dan in Madison."

http://tinyurl.com/cof8w2z

If he isn't a Moron he should be.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 11:00 AM (/WLC3)

99 Do we know yet what guns the Boston bombers had outside of the generic 1 pistol and 1 rifle description? How about how they were obtained?

Posted by: CDR M at April 21, 2013 11:01 AM (dKV5k)

100 CBD- No manual safety on that model. That's why I'm perplexed. I can only surmise that I must have racked the slide in a less than optimal fashion, which I have found the XDs is very sensitive to when new.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 11:03 AM (4Mv1T)

101 99 Do we know yet what guns the Boston bombers had outside of the generic 1 pistol and 1 rifle description? How about how they were obtained?

Posted by: CDR M at April 21, 2013 03:01 PM (dKV5k)

Want to bet that it was not a legally purchased AR-15?

Posted by: buzzion at April 21, 2013 11:03 AM (LI48c)

102 Given the accuracy of the BPD, I'm a lot less worried today about the federal government having a billion rounds.

Posted by: zsasz at April 21, 2013 11:03 AM (MMC8r)

103 NDH- Fair questions. I've had a Colt 1911 for 20 years, although the little subcompact XDs in 45ACP is quite the little firecracker in the hand. The back strap is interchangeable and it feels much like a 1911 so I am otherwise comfortable with it. *** Not an expert and actually know little about guns but I just thought over the questions/instruction I received when first firing my own own gun.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 11:04 AM (piMMO)

104 "Still, the president wasn't just angry because he lost. He was angry because he lost to people who hold an opinion he's unable and unwilling to understand and who he seems to regard as beneath him"

It's that, but it's also a power dynamic.

Reflect on this: Obama loves power and he always wants more.

Up until this very last election, every single time Obama ran for office, it was for a seat which was bigger and better and more powerful than the one he was in at the time.

Except now, he's peaked. It's all downhill from here. Unavoidably. And really quite rapidly.

At this time last year, no one inside the D.C. Beltway knew whether Barack Obama would still be the President come the end of January of 2013.

But at this time this year, everyone inside the Beltway knows with absolute certainty that come the end of January of 2017, someone will be President, but it will not be Barack Obama.

The duck is limping more with every waddle. And those who will still be in D.C. after January of 2017 are distancing themselves from anything which might reduce their own power as Obama's power ebbs away. They are ever so carefully posturing themselves in preparation for the post-Obama era.

And to Obama, the whole notion of a "post-Obama era" rankles horribly.

When Eisenhower gave his farewell address, he spoke specifically of how he was proud to once again resume the role of an ordinary private citizen. For Obama, that change means not pride, but humiliation. Ike was not power-hungry, wasn't a pathological narcissist and was not addicted to the spotlight. Whereas Obama is all of those things.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 21, 2013 11:04 AM (gqT4g)

105

That makes the grip repeatable

I prefer it when they mix up the grip.

Posted by: garrett at April 21, 2013 11:04 AM (2ofUQ)

106 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 03:03 PM (4Mv1T)

Gotcha. That was my next question: can you replicate the issue by closing the slide very gently?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 11:05 AM (/WLC3)

107
Last week I mentioned the holsters I have.

A Galco ankle hoster.
An Uncle Mike's "Sidekick" belt-clipped holster

And a shirt made by KRAMER.

It's a mesh undershirt with two holster-pockets under each arm. I bought it about ten years ago thinking it was kinda neat.

Uncomfortable? Yes.
You might better off keeping 2 guns in the holsters instead of 1 or else you'll feel lopsided.

And I'm not sure how practical it is to keep your weapon so concealed that you have to rip your shirt off to get to it.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 11:05 AM (vanqS)

108 Bought a TT-33 last weekend only to find that 7.62x25 has ceased to exist.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 21, 2013 11:06 AM (OgNv0)

109 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 03:03 PM (4Mv1T)

Or maybe the mag wasn't seated?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 11:07 AM (/WLC3)

110 I like what the president of the NRA said publicly about the defeat. And I paraphrase "Looks like dipshit bit off more than he could chew". Anyone who can taunt scoamf like that gets my respect. *I took liberty with his exact wording.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 11:08 AM (FmFB3)

111
Applications for gun permits will soar next week in blue states, I'm predicting.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 11:10 AM (GcwH1)

112 A nit wit on Fox Chris Wallace Show just stated he thought the Boston bombing attack was more like Columbine. What a jerk.

Posted by: Bufalobob at April 21, 2013 11:11 AM (bxn1D)

113 All to be delayed or denied for spurious reasons.

Posted by: Alte Schüle at April 21, 2013 11:11 AM (DSXU+)

114 >>>Gotcha. That was my next question: can you replicate the issue by closing the slide very gently?

You understand my angst when I think that even given my best effort, I could withdraw my weapon, draw down on a bad guy, only to find the trigger won't budge.

I wish I could remember if the slide was locked back after emptying the mag. If I reloaded that way then I got real problems.

If however, I had reloaded a partially loaded mag, which sometimes occurs, by racking the slide, and I didn't give it the full "slingshot" action, then it is operator error.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 11:11 AM (4Mv1T)

115 Applications for gun permits will soar next week in blue states, I'm predicting And boats in the backyard will decline.

Posted by: t-bird at April 21, 2013 11:12 AM (FcR7P)

116

Working sleeper cell link in URL. Jihad Watch went down.

Can't find it on Yahoo immediately, to name one.

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 11:12 AM (sOtz/)

117 >>>Or maybe the mag wasn't seated?

Possibly the most likely issue

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 11:12 AM (4Mv1T)

118 The day the government tells me to "lockdown" is the day I have a cookout in the front yard.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 11:13 AM (FmFB3)

119 >> Our friend Andy is somewhere in Georgia terrorizing wild turkeys. Or drinking Wild Turkey. Maybe both*. Yes and yes. But not at the same time.

Posted by: Andy at April 21, 2013 11:14 AM (NvbVf)

120 I'm still so fucking mad that the leftist elites are pushing amnesty on us again. Those fucking fuckers. Fuck them. And god damn all of them for pushing the gun grab on us. And goddamn Boston getting shut down for two days, what a fucking joke the authorities and subjects of my state are. And god damn the Senate and the House leadership for being such utter shitweasels on every goddamn thing. 2014 can't come fast enough. God I am so pissed off all the time.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 11:15 AM (EsTrr)

121 Fuck public unions. Fuck college professors. Fuck the NEA. Gahhhh

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 11:16 AM (EsTrr)

122
Tru:

but Boston Strong!

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 11:17 AM (Y4TdB)

123
and David Ortiz!

and Sweet Adeline!

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 11:17 AM (DlaLh)

124 I was thinking... if the cops had done the opposite, told residents to actively arm and protect their neighborhoods... and cops set perimeters to control movement, .... that would scare someone on the run... how do you avoid citizens with weapons who know who belongs and who doesn't? Of course issues could/would arise, but you'd have cops to mediate differences of opinion.. heh Most effective but has lots of downsides...I suppose.

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 11:17 AM (/jHWN)

125 Yeah. I felt so strong seeing my fellow Bay Staters hiding under the table pissing themselves. If it was Oklahoma City, there would be 500 posses armed with long guns tearing the city apart.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 11:18 AM (EsTrr)

126 *Passes Andy's bottle of Wild Turkey to TruNorth*

Dude. Pour two fingers.

Drink.

Repeat.

Exhale.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 11:18 AM (4Mv1T)

127 O/T So the youngest decides he wants to watch Red Tails. I heard it was bad but didn't think I'd be able to tell it was spectacularly terrible in less than 30 secs. And I've seen better CGI in real time video game play. Did I mention the dialogue was horrible? If George Lucas could fuck up a completely make-believe world from his own imagination, didn't it cross anyone's mind that he'd totally shit on an actual historical event.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 21, 2013 11:19 AM (bf+1U)

128
It only took dozens of entire police forces, dozens of injuries, one dead, a couple of vehicles, a few hundred rounds spent, bullets flying all over a residential neighborhood, but we got 'em!

Posted by: Boston Strong at April 21, 2013 11:19 AM (GcwH1)

129 Get some Andy. I will be out next weekend hoping all the dumb gobblers aren't already deaded. Appleseed you guys. Fucking go. *Future (the rapper) would be shootishoot in turkeys drinkin liquor AT THE SAME DAMN TIME. Probably inadvisable for all others per Dave's admonition.

Posted by: 0302 at April 21, 2013 11:20 AM (shT13)

130 Are the asshole LEO's going to buy a new boat? The LEO's couldn't find their ass with both hands, so a citizen found the remaining idiot hiding in his boat. So what do the LEO's do? They thank the guy by blowing the shit out of the boat, that's the last time he comes forward.

Posted by: Noovuss at April 21, 2013 11:20 AM (V/AWI)

131 Sven, in case you missed it in the last thread on the ganjihadis, we're cool. The circular comment was directed to Moo Moo or one of the other pro-pot guys presuming you were happy people got shot in a gathering of criminal elements.

Posted by: assault flounder at April 21, 2013 11:20 AM (Kkt/i)

132 That black-suited Fed SWAT Army made me feel really good.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 21, 2013 11:21 AM (5wHPS)

133
And if Obama didn't feel the need to become the center of attraction, we probably would've caught the two Islamists sooner and both alive, plus no dead MIT police officer.

Posted by: Boston Strong at April 21, 2013 11:21 AM (8dspl)

134 I'd never hunted anything in my life until my son, a couple of his friends, and I went to an Arizona Junior hunt last spring. Two days of waking up at 3 am, 10-mile hikes, a tire blowout in the middle of nowhere, and calling ONE tom within shooting range. Which, of course, spooked like a muthah when the poor kid clicked the safety off, never to be seen again. In all seriousness it was fantastic. It taught me a lot, not the least of which that the birds in the wild are not from the same gene pool as the ones that will walk across the porch of our cabin.

Posted by: jakeman at April 21, 2013 11:21 AM (96M6e)

135 Also appropriate here, Denninger's recap of Boston cluster (linked by someone else):

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=219969

Posted by: assault flounder at April 21, 2013 11:21 AM (Kkt/i)

136 When Kath died, for all intents and purposes, the rest of that band died as well. They haven't been worth a shit since. They lost their edge and Cetera ruined the remains with all that lovey dovey crapola. Ah, what could have been.

Posted by: Old Buffalo at April 21, 2013 11:23 AM (WV0NL)

137
It was mostly dumb luck they found those two assholes.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 11:23 AM (vyPsz)

138

One of the cranky girls is getting a Dan Wesson .357 in the next couple of weeks. Took her to the range a few weeks back and let her shoot one of their rentals. I think I created a monster.

And man, freakin ammo is spendy!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 21, 2013 11:24 AM (Cegrh)

139 More Republican state reps. More Republican state senators. More Republican selectmen and city councilors. The MA GOP gave up on giving people a choice decades ago. Nobody believes a Republican can win here, not for anything. But Shaunna shocked the world in 2010 and Brown shocked the world in 2011. Leah Cole shocked the world in 2013 winning a seat not held by an R in over 100 years. All three of our county sherrifs are republicans and my sherrif just made news with a huge anti-amnesty press conference. But no, it's worthless to try here. Don't even bother, say the Smart Set. Nobody seems to give a shit. The only way out of this shit is to have a working minority that can fucking block the commie fuckers from raping us. Or else this is the least bad things will be in Massachusetts. Sanctuary state, disarmed, hipster douchey little smudge of a state. Ugh fuck them all those fucking leftists. And fuck the elitists here who won't even try.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 11:25 AM (EsTrr)

140 The boat owner should get 10% of the manhunt cost as a finders fee.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 11:27 AM (FmFB3)

141 Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 03:25 PM (EsTrr)

keep running your mouth boy....you won't get an invitation to the next cocktail party at the MA Republican Club.

Posted by: Beltway Republican Committee at April 21, 2013 11:27 AM (/WLC3)

142 It was mostly dumb luck they found those two assholes. Without that homeowner taking a smoke break, Joker eventually would have succeeded in committing suicide in the boat, or bleeding out. And I am still fuming that TFG's little lovefest gave them an additional day of freedom, something the MFM will never acknowledge, because...boyfriend.

Posted by: jakeman at April 21, 2013 11:27 AM (96M6e)

143
so here's what "Boston Strong" really means:

Yes, terrorists will be successful in terrorizing and creating mayhem in our city, but we will shut everything down, call in all our resources and...

wait for a citizen to stumble upon a something odd in his/her neighborhood and call the authorities.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 11:28 AM (39q3n)

144 Yeah, beltway republicans. I'm coming for you too. Fork in the eye.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 11:30 AM (EsTrr)

145
The question nobody is asking Deval Patrick and Mumbles Menino as they congratulate themselves and pose for the camera:

What are you two shitheads doing to prevent this from ever happening again?

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 11:30 AM (LVtr+)

146 TrumanN --- don't you go cynical now. You're one of the few people here that gives me hope.

Posted by: L, elle at April 21, 2013 11:30 AM (WW8ug)

147 Denninger really laid it all out there. The whole Shelter in Place thing is out of control. I can understand it for an environmental disaster, like a refinery fire, or a gas release, but to just have everyone hunker down for the heck of it, that is unreasonable.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 11:31 AM (t1VIV)

148 thanks for the Denninger link... I didn't see he'd posted on this.. Good read.

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 11:31 AM (/jHWN)

149 Remember the Costa Concordia and Captain Schettino? "Vada abordo, cazzo?" Here is the ship now as the righting operation begins, from gCaptain:

http://tinyurl.com/ctncyr7

Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 21, 2013 11:32 AM (x4x3r)

150 Denninger can go horsefuck. He's an arrogant tard who got his panties in a twist because the tea party people didn't acknowledge his shitty blog.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 21, 2013 11:33 AM (5Hl3g)

151 I am beginning to feel like I'm tilting at windmills though. Outside of the periodic "attaboy" from the morons, Ive got nobody excited about this project. My own father laughed at me about it last night, and he's a lifelong MA republican and donor. Maybe it's because I wasn't able to make much of a dent this week with my kids home from school on vacation, but for the first time, I'm beginning to see the point of view of the folks who say "forget it, it's already too late."

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 11:33 AM (EsTrr)

152 What are you two shitheads doing to prevent this from ever happening again? Ah, see, but that doesn't apply. Mumbles is standing by the "they acted alone" gambit.

Posted by: jakeman at April 21, 2013 11:33 AM (96M6e)

153 What are the odds the parents sue the police for the son getting ran over while in police custody?

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 11:35 AM (FmFB3)

154 Kim DuToit- that's a name I haven't seen for a while. I miss his writings. Hope he and family are doing OK. Certainly better than they were in Chicago. Posted by: Bill H at April 21, 2013 02:59 PM (3sZO1) Wish his site was still archived somewhere. Seemed like he had reviews of just about every milsurp rifle/pistol in existence. On the prepper front he had a pretty good argument for a minimum household arsenal, which if memory serves was something like: 1 .22lr rifle per household, 1 defensive handgun per adult, 1 fighting rifle per adult, 1 shotgun per household, 1 .30cal full power rifle per household. I'm probably getting some of that wrong, but it really stuck with me. He also had one of my favorite snarks against journalism. "Rope, Tree, Journalist. Some assembly required."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2013 11:35 AM (MBqvE)

155

"those two"

"they acted alone"

URL down there vvv vvv vvv Also Jihad Watch has a good Mirror link and JW is back up.

Hellooooo? Is there anyone out there in my computer?

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 11:36 AM (sOtz/)

156 Kim DuToit is wrong. I've seen revolvers fail several times. I actually had a cylinder fall out when the retention screw (that someone else had worked on prior to my ownership of the gun) backed out.

They can also lock up butt cold.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 21, 2013 11:38 AM (i5DFD)

157 On the prepper front he had a pretty good argument for a minimum household arsenal, which if memory serves was something like: 1 .22lr rifle per household, 1 defensive handgun per adult, 1 fighting rifle per adult, 1 shotgun per household, 1 .30cal full power rifle per household. I'm probably getting some of that wrong, but it really stuck with me. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2013 03:35 PM (MBqvE) That pretty much covers most of the firearms spectrum.....

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 11:38 AM (zzeVM)

158 Tobacco Road, are you familiar with the tip: Front sight, press?

Posted by: Barney Fife at April 21, 2013 11:38 AM (yDWX4)

159 revolvers fail like everyother piece of equipment. I saw a guy at a match whose revo would not make the primer fire, hammer struck & no bang

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 11:39 AM (zzeVM)

160 Maybe it's because MA republican donors don't really take state house and senate races seriously, let alone municipal races. They are unsexy after all. But god damn. If you want to run people against democrats in the federal house and senate, those candidates have to have experience at winning campaigns. They need to have a network of supporters to draw on. They need to have name recognition that comes from success, not celebrity. We have no bench in MA. We only challenged 9 of 36 incumbent democrat state senators and something like 50 of 128 state reps. Not beat, challenged. And what do the incumbents who have huge war chests and no opponent do? They organize for their fellow Dems who do have an opponent. They send money to other states to fight swing battles. In a presidential year, they organize for the presidential candidate. The very biggest and best contribution any republican donor can make is to put his name on the ballot to challenge an incumbent, should that incumbent have no challenger. That keeps that incumbent and his money at home. I'm goddamned sick of this state party and this national party. They are not opposition parties; they are enablers. And what they enable was in full view in Boston this week.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 11:39 AM (EsTrr)

161 Take your blood pressure meds and sit down.

Texas school counselor gloats over West, TX disaster. "It's mostly whites who is[/i[/b] getting blown away. Soon they'll be wiped from the earth. LOL."

(from Moonbattery_:

http://tinyurl.com/br8b45d

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2013 11:39 AM (lVPtV)

162 Damned formatting fail.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2013 11:40 AM (lVPtV)

163 I heard that counselor 's account had been hacked? No?

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 11:40 AM (/jHWN)

164 Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 02:55 PM (t1VIV)

Typically you'd use 12ga with #4, 5, or 6 shot in a turkey load. Less chance of biting into the shot though, since when hunting turkey, you aim for the head/neck. The feathers are too dense to get a clean kill.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 21, 2013 11:42 AM (WvcBR)

165 That pretty much covers most of the firearms spectrum..... Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 03:38 PM (zzeVM) Yeah, as I recall he was trying to distill everything down to the fewest number of firearms needed to have a properly armed American household that could handle pretty much any type of shooting situation.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2013 11:43 AM (MBqvE)

166 So a question for the shootists here. I took my new XDs to the range yesterday. 3.3 inch barrel. I was shootin' all over the place with that thing. I'm thinkin' .45ACP is great and all, but with only a five round mag, there's a real good chance I'll miss the badguys alltogther. I can get and extended 7 round mag, which improves my odds incrementally. Posted by: Tobacco Road where does this fit into your collection? if it is your only handgun you might want to trade it in for something bigger. five rounds is not a lot even if it is .45 acp .

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 11:43 AM (Z9EHQ)

167 Jake, basically the prep-minded should have one of each. heh.

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 11:43 AM (/jHWN)

168 beagle

im here but no one cares ! ( and thats the way i like it

)

Posted by: alec at April 21, 2013 11:43 AM (usWYv)

169 OT for a pleasant palate cleanser. Insty has a link to images and a video of Margaret Thatcher's granddaughter delivering a eulogy at her funeral. She is absolutely stunning. She lives in TX but attends U of Richmond. Apparently she stole the show. Somehow, I don't think that would bother Maggie. There are already half joking thoughts of a political future.

Posted by: pep at April 21, 2013 11:45 AM (6TB1Z)

170 Jake, basically the prep-minded should have one of each. heh. Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 03:43 PM (/jHWN) I', kinda mot on the 'two is one, and one is none' side of the fence

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 11:45 AM (zzeVM)

171 Her account was hacked just like Weiner's was hacked - which is to say it wasn't hacked.

Posted by: Alte Schüle at April 21, 2013 11:45 AM (DSXU+)

172

@168

Not me, the whole sophisticated device and big dozen member jihadi sleeper cell connected to Boston thing. Seems important.

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 11:46 AM (sOtz/)

173 163 Yeah, that's what I would say if I was her, too...

Posted by: antisocialist at April 21, 2013 11:46 AM (eGr8Z)

174 Truman, you're not thinking like a Community Organizer. Seriously, while we don't want to go too far down that road (there lies madness), there is a reason those commie fucksticks took over everything. You need to start a "basics" online class for people teaching them how to *start* influencing their local governments. People will sign up. Teaching people will probably help your feelings of lack of accomplishment. And yes, your local and state GOP are enablers. AFAICT the whole freaking northeast is like that - and to some extent the West Coast as well. We definitely need an aggressive grassroots. The "NRA model" is half of the story, and that half requires a lot of insider access. *You* can work on the "street level activism" model, and you have to learn from the people who already do that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 11:46 AM (qyfb5)

175

" 1 .22lr rifle per household, 1 defensive handgun per adult, 1 fighting rifle per adult, 1 shotgun per household, 1 .30cal full power rifle per household"

That's quite an armory for the average household.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 21, 2013 11:47 AM (W5/KA)

176

It was mostly dumb luck they found those two assholes.

That may be involved, but I was watching some MFM news show yesterday as they were recounting the varied failed terrorist attacks such as the Times Square bomber, panty bomber, shoe bomber and a couple of others.

And I'm thinking to myself, "Hmm, that one was thwarted by civilians, that one too, and so was that one."

The best weapon we seem to have against these assholes is us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 11:47 AM (+z4pE)

177 well it is but.......GUNS !!!!!!

Posted by: alec at April 21, 2013 11:47 AM (usWYv)

178 Tobacco Road, next time you go to the range, print some of these out, they're great help in figuring out if the problem is you or the pistola: http://tinyurl.com/7e67lsn

Posted by: Country Singer at April 21, 2013 11:47 AM (WvcBR)

179 Hold on tight when you fire that little Smith .357. Is a revolver a magazine gun? NY lawmakers who voted Y on their precious SAFE act can weigh in anytime now.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 21, 2013 11:48 AM (PH+2B)

180 revolvers fail like everyother piece of equipment. I saw a guy at a match whose revo would not make the primer fire, hammer struck & no bang Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 03:39 PM (zzeVM) Modified with a light mainspring to reduce DA trigger pull for match use? Notorious for causing ignition failures when folks get too froggy with the spring swapping. Oft times one needs to also use softer primers in their reloads and a slightly longer firing pin to make up for the loss of impulse from the weaker spring. But the point about revolvers not being infallible is correct. Anything made by man is capable of failure.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2013 11:50 AM (MBqvE)

181 It was mostly dumb luck they found those two assholes.

"THEY" didnt find shit ! some homeowner did !

Posted by: alec at April 21, 2013 11:50 AM (usWYv)

182 161 Take your blood pressure meds and sit down. Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2013 03:39 PM (lVPtV) It doesn't help. Some people just got dropped on their heads in a bucket of hatred too many times when they were a baby. Think about what the Palestinians (often) tell their kids about Jews. Now think about what this woman heard growing up about honkeys. It's kind of a wonder humanity found a way to avoid constant and total warfare - at least for a time.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 11:51 AM (qyfb5)

183 Y5- My only other handgun is a 1911 w/ 8 round mag. The XDs was a trade from a nice mutt caliber S and W revolver that became a safe queen. I wanted something for carry and got what is touted as latest, greatest.

As of this moment I have not one, but two soldiers from Bragg interested in it and they are only an hour south. One needs his permit, and the other needs to get out of the woods where he's training.

I'm gonna try to find something a little larger in 4" barrel and 10 rd mag. 45ACP

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 11:52 AM (4Mv1T)

184 I went to a wedding on an eastern NC farm and saw turkeys every time we rode around a field. They were like rats in nyc. I was laughing at turkey hunters with the farmer and he was like "yeah, if you want to shoot one, just walk out to the edge of the field and forest, they will be there." Also I got me a $126hi point 380 this week. Dang thing shoots straight and shoots every time. Also I can find 380 rounds. Almost out of 22lr.

Posted by: traye at April 21, 2013 11:52 AM (l/HR3)

185 On average, revolvers fail less often than semi-autos. On average, when it happens, it's harder to get back into action. IMHE. Tradeoffs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 11:53 AM (qyfb5)

186 We've been turkey hunting, not turkey killing (so far). But it's hard to complain about being out in the woods on a beautiful spring morning. And now ... after paring down our choices from the safe ... we're about to head off and shoot the Garand and some assorted handguns.

Posted by: Andy at April 21, 2013 11:55 AM (xrAgh)

187 Kim du Toit did influence me to purchase one particular firearm that he liked, the Marlin Camp .45. I did purchase one about 6 years ago. I like it pretty well. Probably overpaid for it due to the press it was getting from Kim. Eh, what is money for, anyway.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 11:55 AM (t1VIV)

188 Tobacco Road, next time you go to the range, print some of these out, they're great help in figuring out if the problem is you or the pistola: http://tinyurl.com/7e67lsn Posted by: Country Singer>>>

Thanks CS.

The only thing those target captions are missing is, "Damn near missed the whole friggin' target."

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 11:56 AM (4Mv1T)

189 I'm gonna try to find something a little larger in 4" barrel and 10 rd mag. 45ACP Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 03:52 PM (4Mv1T) Try them all, from big to small. I think. I don't remember why you don't want to carry the 1911? More than half of my friends who carry.... carry a 1911

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 11:56 AM (zzeVM)

190 151---" I am beginning to feel like I'm tilting at windmills though....I'm beginning to see the point of view of the folks who say "forget it, it's already too late." Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 03:33 PM (EsTrr) -------------- CICERO. He was rich. He had many interests other than politics. He knew the chances of saving the republic were practically nil, that he was almost certainly wasting his time and even risking his life. He really, really wanted to retire to his villa and write poetry or something. Yet he did not. For him, to do so would have been ignoble. WARSAW. The Jews of Warsaw knew damned well they weren't going to win. Yet they fought. And at least made the enemy pay a price. Even if we knew with 100% certainty that the cause were lost, what then? Should we go gentle into that good night or rage, rage at the dying of the light? Remembering Cicero and Warsaw helps me. Seeing someone like you, struggling in Massachusetts, is a big inspiration too. Truly.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 21, 2013 11:56 AM (C8mVl)

191
We have the weapon thing covered at my house, but which do I use for the fighting rifle, the Garand or the M14?

Posted by: irongrampa at April 21, 2013 11:56 AM (SAMxH)

192 I'm an attorney (don't shoot!) interested in 2d amendment issues and living in the enlightened hell hole we call NY. Law Morons are probably aware that SCOTUS refused to hear a case challenging NY gun laws, Kachalsky v. Cacace. That case challenged the old gun laws,and in my eternally sunny, optimistic attempts to find a silver lining, I wonder if SCOTUS decided to wait to hear a challenge to the new laws, in the interest of judicial economy. If not, boned are we.

Posted by: real joe at April 21, 2013 11:56 AM (PD2ad)

193

And now ... after paring down our choices from the safe ... we're about to head off and shoot the Garand and some assorted handguns.

Have fun, Andy. We'll find something to do around here.

Oh, before you go, where did you leave the keys to the liquor cabinet again?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 11:57 AM (+z4pE)

194 As of this moment I have not one, but two soldiers from Bragg interested in it and they are only an hour south. One needs his permit, and the other needs to get out of the woods where he's training. I'm gonna try to find something a little larger in 4" barrel and 10 rd mag. 45ACP Posted by: Tobacco Road at April TR cool. I like the .45 but in a bigger frame. if I were going to use something for concealed carry and I was worried about hiding the bulge I think I would go with a smaller caliber so I would have more rounds. naturally living in new york city carrying a concealed swiss army knife is illegal so I do not have to worry about a concealed gun. I do have a really heavy umbrella.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 11:57 AM (Z9EHQ)

195 hoot the Garand and some assorted handguns. Posted by: Andy at April 21, 2013 03:55 PM (xrAgh) ping!

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 11:57 AM (zzeVM)

196 I'm gonna try to find something a little larger in 4" barrel and 10 rd mag. 45ACP Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 03:52 PM (4Mv1T) You can trade if you want to, but 3/4" of barrel isn't going to make a noticeable accuracy difference. Unless there is something obscure physically wrong with the gun, it's technique. The thing is, I can't think of anything about the *gun* that would cause the wandering hits, other than the sights.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 11:57 AM (qyfb5)

197 @161
Actually, this is a sign of progress. She is a black woman and yet was dismissed FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM! If that can happen, miracles are possible.

Posted by: pep at April 21, 2013 11:58 AM (6TB1Z)

198 Think about what the Palestinians (often) tell their kids about Jews. Now think about what this woman heard growing up about honkeys. It's kind of a wonder humanity found a way to avoid constant and total warfare - at least for a time. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 21, 2013 03:51 PM (qyfb5) First time I had my face rubbed in this reality was during a foot patrol in Kosovo. We went into a school for little kids to meet w/ the local gangsters running the town and where a normal school would put trophies, school-spirit stuff, etc. were propaganda posters exhorting the locals to hate and kill Serbs. We're talking 8 year olds. Heart breaking stuff.

Posted by: Lazarus at April 21, 2013 11:58 AM (q4ggw)

199 I'm gonna try to find something a little larger in 4" barrel and 10 rd mag. 45ACP

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 03:52 PM (4Mv1T)

Have you looked at the HandK .45 compact? I have the full size in .40 SandW and it shoots like a dream, and is really comfortable.

http://tinyurl.com/yd64bmy

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 11:59 AM (/WLC3)

200 Realjoe! Good to see you. "We are boned here" is my assumption going forward.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 11:59 AM (Z9EHQ)

201 I have a couple of Garands and a M-4 clone. I like the M-4 and it's capacity, but I vote Garands... just because

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 11:59 AM (/jHWN)

202 Almost out of 22lr. Posted by: traye at April 21, 2013 03:52 PM (l/HR3) Yep. I'm down to around 2000 rds of 22LR and I feel naked. The main lesson I'm taking away from this ammo panic is "always be buying 22LR". NEVER walk out of WalMart without at least one box if they have it on the shelf. If you reload, you have options for centerfire stuff, but 22LR is quite different.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2013 11:59 AM (MBqvE)

203

So potsmoker joker ran over his brother. Right ?

He dragged him about thirty feet, under the car.

Details always help provide clarity.

Posted by: seamrog at April 21, 2013 11:59 AM (M21j4)

204 Used to own a nice Ruger Super Single 6 revolver, the super the one with two cylinders, one for .22LR, the other for .22WRM. Had big target grips on it. Nice shooter. My only wheel gun now is a replica Colt Navy .36 black powder thing. Fill a cylinder, place a ball or a pointy one, use the onboard lever to crush it into the cylinder compressing the powder. Percussion caps on all the nipples, and you are ready to make boom and smoke. After about three or four cicuits of that, it is time to stop and clean the mess, done with soap and water.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 21, 2013 12:00 PM (PH+2B)

205 If we close our borders and arm our citizens, the terrorists have won.

Posted by: The MFM at April 21, 2013 12:00 PM (FcR7P)

206 From a link provided in the comments: "Posted on April 18, 2013 at 5:15 PM GRAND PRAIRIE -- Karon Wright, a counselor at Andrew Jackson Middle School in Grand Prairie ISD, has been "immediately relieved of all duties," the district said, after an offensive remark written from her Facebook account ... in regards to the explosion in West, Texas." She claims her account was hacked, and she's hired a lawyer. I think this will go nowhere. She's unemployable now.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2013 12:00 PM (VZC6E)

207 For you men that want a revolver, get one with a caged hammer so that it won't hang on anything in your purses...sorry women... True story though, a friend of mine, she is a court reporter and has to travel to the "not so nice" places in Houston, was shopping for a pistol. She told the Gun Shop Guy that she wanted to carry in her purse - so the dick heads were trying to sell her a Glock. I have nothing against them, but bouncing around in a purse with only a trigger safety is just pure fucking dumb! Not to mention that if she ever did try and fire from inside the purse it would probably fail to feed and get hung up on something. After explaining to her hubby, how open things, like chambers, collect crap from purses, they settled on a S&W 640, she loves it with .38's. Sorry about the poke about revolvers, it is what I am going to get my wife after she passes the CHL with her semi - they just don't ever fail to go bang!

Posted by: Rob in Katy at April 21, 2013 12:00 PM (PiTBB)

208 oh yeah, I have a really heavy umbrella and a really bright flashlight! now if I can get the kevlar fitted to the umbrella I will have something.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 12:00 PM (Z9EHQ)

209 I do have a really heavy umbrella.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 03:57 PM (Z9EHQ)

They make them with swords!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 12:01 PM (/WLC3)

210 Yeah, 4,5,or 6's are the most common turkey loads . I like 3 1/2" 4's , personally . Now some of the heavy shot guys are doing all kinds of funky stuff with shot sizes and duplex loads . My season was a real grind . One jake on the second day , then nothing good for three weeks straight . Last week it all turned around . 2 - 4 yr. old birds on tuesday and two three yr. old birds on Thursday . Tagged out !!! Be guiding for friends from here on out . Best of luck to the horde turkey hunters .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 21, 2013 12:01 PM (USjX1)

211 A few years ago I bought 5K .22LR rounds from CMP. A bud of mine at work made fun of me when we were talking about it him saying I was a nut hording ammo.... last week he was bitching about how he couldn't find ammo anymore. Heh

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:01 PM (/jHWN)

212 They make them with swords! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo Hey CBD. I have seen those but I am assuming they are illegal since gravity blades and most leathermen are illegal here. I had someone suggest I should replace the main support with rebar.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 12:03 PM (Z9EHQ)

213 they make them with swords !

THEY MAKE THEM WITH GUNS

Posted by: alec at April 21, 2013 12:03 PM (usWYv)

214 Heart breaking stuff. Posted by: Lazarus at April 21, 2013 03:58 PM (q4ggw) In the last couple of days I jokingly "ran off" to look at the funny pictures at a place called "No Hope for the Human Race." Ironically, a bunch of the commenters are like the people we're talking about. Kind of depressingly self-referential.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:03 PM (qyfb5)

215 Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 03:59 PM (/jHWN)

The Garand is so damned much fun to shoot.

Ever get M1 Thumb?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 12:03 PM (/WLC3)

216 Turkey hunting for me has to be as masochistic as possible. 16 gauge, #5 shot, no camo. About every other year I get something.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 21, 2013 12:04 PM (x4x3r)

217 Hey, how did the meetup at fiddlesticks go? are there photos anywhere?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 12:04 PM (Z9EHQ)

218 A kevlar, 9mm, 40 round, umbrella. Now theres an invention.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 12:05 PM (FmFB3)

219

Black powder is a fun thing to shoot--holding some of the replicas is akin to having a bit of history in your hand.

Makes me laugh listening to those who consider them toys. A .451 230 grain round ball at 900fps will do more than leave a bruise.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 21, 2013 12:05 PM (SAMxH)

220 why do all you rednecks love guns ? they just hurt people

Posted by: Ilove obama at April 21, 2013 12:06 PM (usWYv)

221 A kevlar, 9mm, 40 round, umbrella. Now theres an invention. Posted by: Subway was good at April if metalstorm invented one they might have a use for their tech.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 12:06 PM (Z9EHQ)

222 Yer' a better man than I skookumchuk . I use the heaviest loads I can get and camo up to my eyeballs .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 21, 2013 12:06 PM (USjX1)

223 I have nothing against them, but bouncing around in a purse with only a trigger safety is just pure fucking dumb! Posted by: Rob in Katy at April 21, 2013 04:00 PM (PiTBB) Carrying *any* gun just bouncing around in a purse is just pure fucking dumb. For a long list of reasons. They make these things called "holsters." Not only to keep the gun from going off, but so it will be there when you need it, and you won't have to use a time-out card with the villains so you can search through all your random crap to find it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:07 PM (qyfb5)

224 No... CBD... I hear all about it, but it's never happened to me yet. I wonder if it's like when they say about riding a motorcycle... it's not if you'll ever lay it down but when. And I proved that axiom correct over the years, so who knows on the the "thumb". I am really careful though when handling the Garand. and I agree on the fun of the Garands. Love 'em.

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:07 PM (/jHWN)

225 Mrgsumph iresddafm skilmurk prililiomer wesquaeo drubver!!!

Posted by: Mayor Thomas Menino at April 21, 2013 12:07 PM (Yhu4q)

226 197 @161 Actually, this is a sign of progress. She is a black woman and yet was dismissed FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM! If that can happen, miracles are possible. Posted by: pep at April 21, 2013 03:58 PM (6TB1Z) Well, it was in Texas....just saying

Posted by: LindaFell at April 21, 2013 12:07 PM (PGO8C)

227 how did the meetup at fiddlesticks go? are there photos anywhere?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 04:04 PM (Z9EHQ)

It went well. About 20 people showed, and we had an interesting mix, including more (relative) youngsters than I expected. The original plan was to end it at 8:30pm, but most stuck around until well after that.

The bar itself was fine, with cheap booze and cute waitresses.

And....no photos. Nobody seemed enthused by the idea, and I didn't want to make people uncomfortable.

Of course we talked shit about you all night for not showing up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 12:08 PM (/WLC3)

228 Video games are the ghey! I kick real ass in real life!

Posted by: Chuck Norris at April 21, 2013 12:08 PM (wIgpo)

229 why do all you rednecks love guns ? they just hurt people Posted by: Ilove obama at April 21, 2013 04:06 PM (usWYv) You forgot to accuse us of compensating for our small penises. I rate this trolling effort: D-

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2013 12:08 PM (MBqvE)

230 I hope her account was hacked.... because if not,.... good god, what an ignorant thing to post... even to think that way....

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:08 PM (/jHWN)

231 They hurt turkeys too ,,obalover sock. That's the whole point , no catch and release .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 21, 2013 12:09 PM (USjX1)

232 Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 04:07 PM (/jHWN)

http://www.garandgear.com/m1-thumb

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 21, 2013 12:09 PM (/WLC3)

233 222. awkward davies, No camo - But - drab clothes, brown scarf, no red, white or blue, yada yada. 16 gauge a bit easier to carry also.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 21, 2013 12:09 PM (x4x3r)

234 sorry I thought you were all bitches

Posted by: Ilove obama at April 21, 2013 12:09 PM (usWYv)

235 176 ---"And I'm thinking to myself, "Hmm, that one was thwarted by civilians, that one too, and so was that one." The best weapon we seem to have against these assholes is us." Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 03:47 PM (+z4pE) ------------------------- That's pretty much true when it comes to ordinary crime too. I'm not knocking a well-trained police force, mind you, but the pros can't work very well without the community itself pitching in. We not only have a God-given right to defend ourselves but a duty to help enforce the law. Those communities that recognize neither the right nor the duty are barbaric.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 21, 2013 12:10 PM (C8mVl)

236 SANTA MONICA, Calif. Â– Police in Southern California say that NBC Sports announcer Al Michaels has been arrested on suspicion of drunken driving.

Santa Monica police Sgt. Thomas McLaughlin says Michaels was taken into custody Friday night. McLaughlin could provide no additional details.

Posted by: OJ at April 21, 2013 12:10 PM (e8kgV)

237 229 I hope her account was hacked.... because if not,.... good god, what an ignorant thing to post... even to think that way.... Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 04:08 PM (/jHWN) It's unbelievably common, especially in an academic setting. Or, you know, ethnic supremacy movements and war-ravaged thugocracies.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:11 PM (qyfb5)

238 And....no photos. Nobody seemed enthused by the idea, and I didn't want to make people uncomfortable. Of course we talked shit about you all night for not showing up. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo well, as much as I would have lked to see photos, I think it was the smart thing to not have them. all those vindictive liberals ruin everything. I am absolutely swamped until mid-may as the result of a new service line we are launching but I will attend any meetups after second half of may. indeed I will cosponsor/ plan any.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 12:11 PM (Z9EHQ)

239 Huntin' the hard way skookum . More power to you and good luck . I know where you're coming from though . I bowhunt for fun with a recurve . For groceries , I use my ought six .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 21, 2013 12:13 PM (USjX1)

240 regarding civilians thwarting things. I think civilians thwarted lots of stuff historically from fauxahontas' relatives to criminals. the ideas of circling the wagons and forming up posses kinda sort had some kinetic action in mind.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 21, 2013 12:14 PM (Z9EHQ)

241 >>>You can trade if you want to, but 3/4" of barrel isn't going to make a noticeable accuracy difference.

My thinking is that if I at least double the mag capacity from 5 to 10, even with a 3 inch barrel. I've improved the odds of dispaching the badguy.

The compacts with 4" barrel and 10 rd mags in 45ACP are still compacts, just not subcompacts. In other words, I'm not just thinking about my poor aim with the short barrel, but the low mag capacity (only 5 on mine) that comes with the teeny tiny pocket cannons, as well.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 12:19 PM (4Mv1T)

242 Okay, got to go talk a long walk to absolve my guilt from eating wifey's fresh baked chocolate chip cookies will typing away here..

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 21, 2013 12:21 PM (4Mv1T)

243 Thanks DBD... good info. Had to get out one of my M-1's to see what they were describing exactly.. After reading it decided to search for dummy rounds and found some and bandolers and clips... good prices. I always wondering if I was just lucky or not. Now I know it wasn't just luck.

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:22 PM (/jHWN)

244 Thank you guys. I'm not stopping. But it's very hard to move with good speed when there's no money. Out of pocket sucks. I've billed myself about two grand so far, but I may have to take myself to court to get paid since I don't have the money to pay me. Sabrina Chase offered to do me a solid and write a macro to harvest donor info from the FEC website. That is awesome news that will save me $500 or more. Very useful, very kind.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 12:22 PM (EsTrr)

245 Proof, once again, that success does not = intelligence. I was a damned good pilot. All my friends told me so.

Posted by: John Denver at April 21, 2013 12:22 PM (tOkJB)

246 That's the other thing: everyone is convinced that Massachusetts is "too far gone." Bullshit. The reason we never win here is because we never fucking try to win here.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 12:23 PM (EsTrr)

247 Hey Y5 good to see you too!

Posted by: real joe at April 21, 2013 12:26 PM (PD2ad)

248 Sabrina Chase offered to do me a solid Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 04:22 PM (EsTrr) Yeah, man, forget politics and... wait, what?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:27 PM (qyfb5)

249 Mass. is to far gone. They welcome anybody and are a Democratic state.

Posted by: Masshole at April 21, 2013 12:27 PM (+RkPd)

250 Before the "flee, run for your lives" thing starts, let me remind you that 41% of Texas voters chose Obama. It is *impossible* to run away, you have no choice but to fight.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:28 PM (qyfb5)

251

Out of pocket sucks. I've billed myself about two grand so far, but I may have to take myself to court to get paid since I don't have the money to pay me.

Just be sure not to represent yourself in court. You know that old saying about having a fool for a client...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 12:30 PM (+z4pE)

252 244. I was a damned good pilot. All my friends told me so. Posted by: John Denver

____

Me too. ( What's your point? )

Posted by: Scott Crossfield at April 21, 2013 12:31 PM (u3N3z)

253 Breaking911 ‏@Breaking911 6m BREAKING UPDATE: JFK AIRPORT TERMINAL 4 BEING EVACUATED DUE TO SUSPICIOUS PACKAGE. #BreakingNews

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 12:33 PM (piMMO)

254 LOLdemocracy: http://tinyurl.com/bolr95e

This was to be the song for the new king of the Netherlands.

the song, ... was written using suggestions from the public and features a blend of Dutch rock ballad and rap styles

This is like ordering a pizza for a group of which some like anchovies, some like pineapple and someone else likes jalapenos.

Posted by: last words at April 21, 2013 12:33 PM (QTHTd)

255 /soc

Posted by: boulder hobo at April 21, 2013 12:34 PM (QTHTd)

256 Ok, it's the weekend and haven't been glued to the tv or IPad. So maybe this info is out there and I haven't seen/heard about it. But where did these little muzzies get their guns? Thought handguns were off limits to any one under 21? I'm sure the older one passed a background check since our crack FBI didn't think the bastard was anyone to worry about!

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 21, 2013 12:34 PM (HVff2)

257 I don't know if this is a live or dead thread, and I don't think I'm going to be around long anyway, so...

The president didn't get mad. He acted mad. The two are not the same. After the drama played out the way it did, it became obvious that this was all political theater, and it unfolded exactly as the left chose it to unfold.

Breathless shouting about "doing something," followed by tepid, pointless legislation being offered, then defeated. Because it had no chance from the start.

President then gets to breathlessly act mad at Republicans for thwarting said legislation. And the LIVs eat it up.

That's a win for them. Maybe not a big win, but a win nonetheless.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 21, 2013 12:35 PM (BeSEI)

258 249 Mero, God forbid we leave blue heavens to hell's "angels" and concentrate the red redder.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 21, 2013 12:36 PM (LRFds)

259 I mowed my estate today. So I did my half for the week.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 12:37 PM (FmFB3)

260 Just in. That gun of the week is cool as shit. I suspect you could fire it once before it would break your wrist. Eight 357 on a 3" barrel. I guess you could hit a fucking elephant if it wasn't moving, other than that if they were within ten feet, good luck.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 21, 2013 12:37 PM (wR+pz)

261 Random thought since I was discussing this with someone yesterday - is it just me or does the Clinton administration seem like a lifetime ago? The Reagan admin seems like it took place on a different planet.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at April 21, 2013 12:38 PM (Gk3SS)

262 OT (as if anyone sticks to topics here): I'm sitting in a coffeeshop and it's like a fucking Yakuza convention here. All the girls and the hipster douche guys have tattoos. Ranges from chickenshit little ones to full-on "I'll never hold a steady job" neck and face tats. These are almost all college students, by the way. Can someone tell me how I can travel to America? I used to live there but somehow it's been replaced with a country full of people I despise, run by people who despise me.

Posted by: Trimegistus at April 21, 2013 12:40 PM (ZRERg)

263 My first election I could vote in was 1980 and I voted for the Gipper, I pine for the Clinton adm. He was incompetent but not a full blown commie fucking bastard.

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 21, 2013 12:41 PM (HVff2)

264 O/T...Chuckles Hagel says there's not enough information yet to tie the Bomber Brothers to a militant group. Of course, left to their own devices, this administration will never have enough information to tie these idiots to anything, because they're too busy NOT tying them to anything.
If they spent half as much time gathering information and asking (and answering) questions as they do denying and hiding things...yeah, well, never mind.

http://tinyurl.com/cykxj4n

Posted by: antisocialist at April 21, 2013 12:41 PM (eGr8Z)

265 God forbid we leave blue heavens to hell's "angels" and concentrate the red redder. Posted by: sven10077 at April 21, 2013 04:36 PM (LRFds) Yeah, I'm sure if we'd just kept out of the War In Europe, the Germans would have stopped there. It's like you know they're playing for keeps and yet you pretend they aren't. They're *already* not stopping in blue states, why do you want to stop in red states? Give them uncontested territory and let them concentrate their energy on you? It's crazy. I get why people want to get *out* of blue states, the taxes and regulations are onerous. But every time people do the Blue gains power. And then they use it on the Red.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:42 PM (qyfb5)

266

Can someone tell me how I can travel to America? I used to live there but somehow it's been replaced with a country full of people I despise, run by people who despise me.

Get thee to your friendly local biker bar. Imbibe copious amount of alcohol. Get flashed by a cute biker babe. Discuss America. You will find many like-minded folk.

And see if AtC and TN want to go.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 12:44 PM (+z4pE)

267 260 AlexTheChick, It was a different planet. This is Earth 69. Hope you're well.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 21, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)

268 261 -

It'll unfold the same way it always does, only a little worse, as it usually does:

Over the next few decades, these people will take over, and half of them will be ashamed of how stupid they were back then (now). The ones who cannot cover up the tats from their stupid days will be somewhat limited, but (and this is where the "worse" part comes in) it'll be more or less accepted as normal.

You and I will be old, and we'll scowl, as we are wont to do, and somehow the next generation will manage to come along and rebel against THEIR parents' generation. The only question is what for that rebellion takes. Heck, they might even look like us.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 21, 2013 12:45 PM (BeSEI)

269 A man goes on a trip. When he comes home his brother tells him .. Â“your cat diedÂ”

The man says Â“gee, couldnÂ’t you package that a little better by saying that the cat had wandered out onto the roof and after multiple efforts by the firemen to save the cat, it fell and couldnÂ’t be saved.Â”

A few weeks later, the man goes on another trip. When he comes home his brother tells him .. Â“Mom wandered out onto the roof Â…Â“

Posted by: Trojan Horse at April 21, 2013 12:46 PM (e8kgV)

270 @263 Today I have read the FBI thinks there is a cell due to the device sophistication, the locals they acted alone, the Russians they were tied to jihad groups, and now Hagel they acted alone.

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 12:47 PM (sOtz/)

271 Want to bet that it was not a legally purchased AR-15? Posted by: buzzion at April 21, 2013 03:03 PM (LI48c) You can bet it was NOT an "assault" weapon, if it was every fucking liberal paper would have said so. My guess? a 22

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 21, 2013 12:47 PM (wR+pz)

272 I didn't vote for gun control. It's something right?

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 21, 2013 12:47 PM (Cs2tJ)

273 I don't think Hagel is acting alone.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:47 PM (qyfb5)

274

Posted by: Ilove obama at April 21, 2013 04:09 PM (usWYv)

HELLO!

I just opened a jar of paste.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 21, 2013 12:48 PM (mETGQ)

275 And who the fuck's idea was it to let the left take "blue" anyway? They're lightweight "reds" (communists), they should have had pink.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 12:49 PM (qyfb5)

276 Merovign... that was the media's idea a few years back... I think they deliberately didn't want the lebitard democrats to be "red" so they made them blue and conservatives, well, cough cough, the GOP red.

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:51 PM (/jHWN)

277 264 Mero, They *are* playing for keeps and "blue heaven"red have already proven they can't stop the evil where they are. Instead of a tactical retreat and laying the groundwork for strategic separation you want to try to hold every inch of ground. That is not what we were taught as feasible doctrine. If it ever comes to "for keeps" I'd preger like animals being with like animals. If I knew the right would hang I'd be all for holy war in Blue Heavens...outcheat the fucks, but I think the GOP is a coalition of the naive, the gullible, and the hyperidealist.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 21, 2013 12:52 PM (LRFds)

278 HELLO!I just opened a jar of paste.

It's a saucy little number and I'm amused by its pretension. Of course, Elmer's is always my go to.

Posted by: Joe Biden, paste gourmand at April 21, 2013 12:52 PM (6TB1Z)

279 And who the fuck's idea was it to let the left take "blue" anyway? They're lightweight "reds" (communists), they should have had pink. --- I checked into that several years ago, and apparently they (the media) used to alternate the colors with election cycle. Then they got the idea of making the colors designations permanent. No idea if its actually true.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 12:52 PM (FmFB3)

280 Rubio could have been a contender...I'm leaning towards bum.

Posted by: nip at April 21, 2013 12:52 PM (lGVXf)

281 Wait. I just noticed that DIT proposed sex in the lead paragraph. Am I too late?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 12:52 PM (piMMO)

282 It only took dozens of entire police forces, dozens of injuries, one dead, a couple of vehicles, a few hundred rounds spent, bullets flying all over a residential neighborhood, but we got 'em!

Posted by: Boston Strong at April 21, 2013 03:19 PM (GcwH1)

TEXT...wait for it...BOOK!

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at April 21, 2013 12:52 PM (JVbvk)

283
The gun of the week is like a cousin of the Noisy Cricket.

Posted by: Men In Black at April 21, 2013 12:53 PM (mETGQ)

284 WiKi says it was the 2000 election and NBC's Tim Russert did it and the rest ran with it. I still stick by my previous accusation... conscious decision NOT to have the demcrats be the reds...

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:54 PM (/jHWN)

285 It only took dozens of entire police forces, dozens of injuries, one dead, a couple of vehicles, a few hundred rounds spent, bullets flying all over a residential neighborhood, but we got 'em! ---- Thats why when the DHS buys a trillion rounds of ammo, I'm pretty sure it wont be near enough.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 12:55 PM (FmFB3)

286 Rubio could have been a contender...I'm leaning towards bum. *** Spineless opportunist

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 12:55 PM (piMMO)

287 I don't mind conservatives being "red." Red was the flag of Liberty long before the Commies hijacked it and I'm willing to reclaim that. Garibaldi and his Redshirts fought kings and tyrants. The rebels of 1848 fighting kings and tyrants flew red flags (and that old fuckwad Karl Marx hid in the British Museum while they did).

Posted by: Trimegistus at April 21, 2013 12:56 PM (ZRERg)

288 a lot of poison pills thrown down by the leftards when they lost in 2000. Surprising how Bush winning completely unhinged them.... and to this day

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:56 PM (/jHWN)

289 It only took dozens of entire police forces, dozens of injuries, one dead, a couple of vehicles, a few hundred rounds spent, bullets flying all over a residential neighborhood, but we got 'em! *** I'd be curious to know where the hell all those bullets landed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 12:56 PM (piMMO)

290 271 I didn't vote for gun control. It's something right? Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 21, 2013 04:47 PM (Cs2tJ) Not enough.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 21, 2013 12:56 PM (JQuNB)

291 279 -

The man is NOT going to be president, that much is clear now. Even if he could get nominated, and since McCain managed to do that, I don't rule it out, but even if he does, he won't get elected.

Still, I'd rather just say he's wrong on the topic of immigration and leave it at that. I don't feel the need to condemn him.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 21, 2013 12:57 PM (BeSEI)

292 287 Yip,

quite...basically the little shitstained brats threw a 6 year temper tantrum until enough of the soft right caved to shut them the fuck up.

Giggles McFuckstick is our "reward"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 12:58 PM (LRFds)

293 OT: Charlie Pride sitting next to Nolan Ryan front row at Rangers/Mariners game in Arlington... heh. I live here and didn't know he was a part owner, but they just said it on teh TV thingy.. you guys

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 12:58 PM (/jHWN)

294 sock off ! I do not love obama , but the paste brings back fond memories of a better time

Posted by: alec at April 21, 2013 12:58 PM (usWYv)

295 I think we should elect a white guy next solely because he's white. Who's with me! Or will that standard revert back to being racist?

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 12:59 PM (FmFB3)

296 BREAKING UPDATE: JFK AIRPORT TERMINAL 4 BEING EVACUATED DUE TO SUSPICIOUS PACKAGE. #BreakingNews

At least we know where Anthony Weiner's hanging out today

Posted by: boulder hobo at April 21, 2013 12:59 PM (QTHTd)

297 sven.. you are right-on with the tantrum... and it continues, even as they get their way and their commie POTUS, it's all about them... the rules have been changed. Little minded shits.... and that includes waaaayyyy too many of my own family..

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 01:00 PM (/jHWN)

298 somejoe:

Most gun accidents are caused by someone who forgot that the only safe place to point a gun is at a liberal hippie.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 21, 2013 01:00 PM (wYVte)

299 even biden? fuck that

Posted by: alec at April 21, 2013 01:00 PM (usWYv)

300 I think we should elect a white guy next solely because he's white. Who's with me!

Sweet - my turn!

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at April 21, 2013 01:00 PM (QTHTd)

301 Instead of a tactical retreat and laying the groundwork for strategic separation you want to try to hold every inch of ground. That is not what we were taught as feasible doctrine. Posted by: sven10077 at April 21, 2013 04:52 PM (LRFds) First of all, we're not talking about a tactical retreat, we're talking about withdrawing from contested territory in a general and arms-flailing mad rush. There's no tactics involved. Tactics implies there's a plan to win, and "making smaller spaces where like-minded people can be comfortable" is kind of the opposite of what winners do. Secondly, you apparently have forgotten everything I've said about plans and tactics, so please stop trying to characterize me, you're doing it wrong (as in, "strawman").

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 01:00 PM (qyfb5)

302 I think I heard that fusillade at the boat was non-lethal, but the news is particularly unreliable these days.

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 01:01 PM (sOtz/)

303 Of course, Elmer's is always my go to. Joe Biden, paste gourmand Really? I would have pegged you for industrial strength WeldwoodÂ®, by the gallon.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 21, 2013 01:01 PM (feFL6)

304

Merovign... that was the media's idea a few years back... I think they deliberately didn't want the lebitard democrats to be "red" so they made them blue and conservatives, well, cough cough, the GOP red.

Subtle psychology, how does it work?

You have to marvel at the depravity of those who will do virtually anything at any time to influence the way you think. They can't leave you alone in peace to figure things out for yourself, 'cause doing so inevitably leads to the same ideas that are the foundation for Western Thinking embodied in our Constitution, namely the model of a free people living in peace, sharing common values of family, security, and the law.

They're like spoiled little kids who are always trying to get attention from adults: if the adults give in to whatever the kids want, they just do it more, since a pattern that leads to success has been established in the kids' mind. Children must be told "No" in order to grow up into mature adults.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 01:01 PM (+z4pE)

305
It only took dozens of entire police forces, dozens of injuries, one dead police
officer, a couple of vehicles, a few hundred rounds spent, bullets flying all over a
residential neighborhood, but we got 'em!

Posted by: Boston Strong at April 21, 2013 03:19 PM (GcwH1)

Dammit, I forgot:

And dozens of dogs.

And a bunch of friggin ROBOTS.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 01:01 PM (NLH1M)

306 AND A HOMEOWNER

Posted by: alec at April 21, 2013 01:04 PM (usWYv)

307 I think the boat was in on it from the start. Pretty convenient it was right there when the terrorist needed it.

Posted by: eman at April 21, 2013 01:04 PM (71gyQ)

308 At least we know where Anthony Weiner's hanging out today *** HA! Good one!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 01:05 PM (piMMO)

309 " It isn't a hard saying to remember people. All guns are always loaded.

Posted by: Adam at April 21, 2013 02:25 PM (Aif/5)"

You know, this one always pisses me off.

No. It is not true. I don't field strip and clean loaded guns. That would be insanely dangerous.

The number one rule of gun safety is "Never let the muzzle point at anything you are not willing to shoot." That way, if you fuck up any of the other rules, the worst that happens is that you have some embarrassing story. Presumably it also applies if you don't want to shoot your own head.

The number two rule is to assume a gun is loaded until you check it yourself. If you don't know how to check, ask somebody who does know. Every time you pick up a gun, check if it is loaded - no exceptions. Even if you screw this one up, if you follow rule number one your screw up will not turn into a tragedy.

Rule number three is keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot. If you screw this one up, as long as you follow rule number one nobody gets shot by accident.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at April 21, 2013 01:05 PM (31Nrp)

310 "It's crazy. I get why people want to get *out* of blue states, the taxes and regulations are onerous. But every time people do the Blue gains power."

Blue states with collapsing economies are able to devote less money to mischief elsewhere.

After enough of the Makers leave, the Takers eventually start to fight amongst themselves.

And, that infighting is instructive for everyone to watch, including undecided swing voters.

W.R. Mead has been pointing out on almost a daily basis that Commiefornia is imploding from its internal contradictions. The state wants to hand out generous welfare state benefits to young and poor brown newcomers, but it is increasingly constrained in doing so because of the giant pension benefits the state is paying to retired white public-sector union members.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 21, 2013 01:06 PM (gqT4g)

311 300 Mero,

Yeah the brilliant, "we'll do what we've been doing ONLY HARDER!" is gonna work like a charm.

I favor having as many good decent right leaning people as possible concentrate in the red states and when the time comes to let nature take its course.

In all likelihood we're about to be betrayed on amnesty, a good portion of our new 'better than we are Americanos' are going to want to reconquista back to Mexopolis.

That can be turned against the mules, once the first two or three states try to go back to Amigo Grande the rubicon is crossed and I foresee breaking into baby bells.

Mero you keep pretending that an "argued for years" "purple" area like Pennsylvania empowering Kermy G can be saved without blood and fire.

I'll keep trying to prepare to quit doing business with monsters.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:06 PM (LRFds)

312
It only took dozens of entire police forces, dozens of injuries, one dead police
officer, a couple of vehicles, a few hundred rounds spent, bullets flying all over a
residential neighborhood, but we got 'em!

Posted by: Boston Strong at April 21, 2013 03:19 PM (GcwH1)

Dammit, I forgot:

And dozens of dogs. Helicopters.

And a bunch of friggin ROBOTS.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 21, 2013 01:07 PM (FC8Yl)

313 309 Torqquewrench,

quite, the willingness to move to work is in and of itself a natural resource.

Time to deny the motherfuckers our labor.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:07 PM (LRFds)

314 I shot a .22 once when I was a boy. That has to count for something right?

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 21, 2013 01:07 PM (Cs2tJ)

315 Drudge features stories with the FBI saying they absolutely did not act alone, and Mumbles Menino saying they did. Intelligence sees bigger problems that the political establishment is determined to cover over. A wonderous clusterfuck is guaranteed.

Posted by: zsasz at April 21, 2013 01:10 PM (MMC8r)

316

Oh, and that reminds me: I have some Wild Turkey American Honey in the cabinet.

! brb....

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 21, 2013 01:11 PM (+z4pE)

317 314 zsasz,

it's a given the Feds are in camp Clusterfuck mode, you can't expect a blind man to give you a good visually based painting....

nobody so blind as people who refuse to see.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:11 PM (LRFds)

318 Its a little strange that these two people who otherwise know nothing knew how to plant 2 bombs, have them work without ever being tested (that we know of) elude police, kill several, one guy getting in a car and running over the other and escaping in the midst of being surrounded didn't have some type of formal training. I've watched almost every episode of cops, and in every case the criminals are caught in a ditch or at the scene of the crash within minutes.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 01:12 PM (FmFB3)

319 Yeah the brilliant, "we'll do what we've been doing ONLY HARDER!" is gonna work like a charm. Again, strawman. If you want to argue with someone else, go argue with them and stop lumbering me with other people's shit. I favor having as many good decent right leaning people as possible concentrate in the red states and when the time comes to let nature take its course. Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 05:06 PM (LRFds) You will be fucking boned. No one walks away from a collapse like that. How many effing years have we been trying to tell the left that if they manage to create a collapse they aren't going to come out on top, they'll just be caught in the free-fire zone? How many times has that *actually happened* to the useless idiots? Now I have to explain it to the right, too? Oy freaking vey.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 01:12 PM (qyfb5)

320 Breaking911 ‏@Breaking911 2m JFK UPDATE: JFK evacuated after suspicious package found around the bag room of El-Al airlines. NYPD Bomb squad investigating. -

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 01:14 PM (piMMO)

321 Truman you keep up the fight. I remember after 02 and 04 the democrats asking if they should surrender territory and Howard Dean, evil genius, said fuck that we fight in 50 states. To paraphrase him you fight in Utah to win in Indiana. That strategy ended up giving them the holy progressive grail of socialized medicine and Obama. We fight in Mass to win in Wisconsin.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at April 21, 2013 01:14 PM (qZI6x)

322 317 subway was good,

in real life you don't interdict a criminal in 23 minutes.....

I think hey were given half assed training in the older flathead's case anyway....

Kid brother seems like a jerry lewis jihadi jim clone....

would not shock me at all that they are the patsies of a cell....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:14 PM (LRFds)

323 Breaking911 ‏@Breaking911 2m JFK UPDATE: JFK evacuated after suspicious package found around the bag room of El-Al airlines. NYPD Bomb squad investigating. - --- We better have a LOCKDOWN!!!11

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 01:15 PM (FmFB3)

324 O.T. but I would have liked to see Mrs. Thatcher meet Obummer. She would have assumed (rightly) that he was the Piss-boy. Mel Brooks; History of the World
Compared to her, that's what he is.

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at April 21, 2013 01:16 PM (yi0yh)

325 Yippee! I found out what is wrong with my outboard! I won't have to enduring any more 'did you blow a seal?' jokes from my brother.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 21, 2013 01:16 PM (7BxgQ)

326 I'm sure the older one passed a background check since our crack FBI didn't think the bastard was anyone to worry about! Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 21, 2013 04:34 PM (HVff2) The domestic violence conviction should have DQ'd him. Even if it's a misdemeanor DV. See: Lautenberg Amendment. Of course, there's the Muslim Exception........

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2013 01:16 PM (MBqvE)

327 John Ekdahl, Jr. ‏@JohnEkdahl 8s RT @NewsBreaker: UPDATE: FBI: All clear at JFK Int'l airport after report of a suspicious package led to evacuation

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 21, 2013 01:17 PM (piMMO)

328

Of course, there's the Muslim Exception...

Smackin' your bitch up is a commandment!

Posted by: mohammed the pedophile (piss be upon him) at April 21, 2013 01:20 PM (0XHMd)

329 318 mero,

Mero you roll out the "run run like hell" canard...

Whatever sport it is not as though my views on this issue have not been made abundantly clear, nor yours.

I respect your intelligence, you and I have hammered out our positions.

The United States we both lament in the dying was only possible because the main fight was over about 10-15% policy deviation in the middle margins. It was a team effort. That 10-15 middle margin is now at a minimum a 50% policy gap.

The hard left is the left now and we on the right are still the historic full range of the right. The election of a red diaper communist twice has shown me that the "moderate" and "mid left" American have no fear of genuine communism anymore. Considering I'd rather kill communists than talk to them we have a pretty big divide developing here yes?

I do not *want* to keep playing this "let's pretend the left gives a fuck about the system or the United States as it existed for ~230 years" game.

They *say* they want to break up and 'fundamentally transform" America....

they will not find me wanting in joining them in their desire.

America as it was *is* dead time to move on and build a better America without the fucktards.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:20 PM (LRFds)

330 and Mero when I say "my views on the issue are well known" God knows I am not exactly a shrinking violet....~30,000 posts on the topic.

Article V shut it the fuck down...remove some fucking stars from the flag.

Fuck the left.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:21 PM (LRFds)

331 "44 I like my various .45s but I am not worth a shit after 20 yards with any of them. And within 20 yards I am thinking that is too close and I will be not worth a shit with anything that is shooting back.

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 02:34 PM (t1VIV)"

Most defensive shootings take place at a range of 0 to 5 feet.

Your time might be better spent practicing drawing and presentation than improving marksmanship beyond 20 yards.

Unload your gun. Check it. Check it again to make sure it is unloaded. Put it into your holster or pocket or wherever you carry it. Stand five feet in front of a mirror (so the distance appears to be ten feet). Look at a button on the reflection of your shirt. Draw your pistol and line up your sights on that button. Do it again. Do it several more times. Do this every day.

It should go without saying but I will say it any way, make sure that there is nothing on the other side of that mirror that you would be very upset if it was shot, like your child's bedroom.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at April 21, 2013 01:22 PM (31Nrp)

332 And Antares has successfully delivered the Cygnus cargo vehicle to orbit. Beautiful launch; there were cameras all over the thing that sent back plenty of pretty pictures on the way up.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at April 21, 2013 01:22 PM (U82Km)

333 @320 good luck winning here in Wis, it's a crazy purple state. Milwaukee and Madison are blue canceling every where out state. Plus an incredible amount of low info voters.

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 21, 2013 01:23 PM (HVff2)

334 Obama just double aid to the Syrian jihadis fighting Assad to $250M. Plus an unspecified $ amount of "non-lethal" military aid. That probably means anything a military would need except guns and ammo. Which they can buy from Turkey with the $250M we are giving them. Fucking bullshit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 21, 2013 01:23 PM (ZPrif)

335 I don't think I've ever seen such a look of misery and dejection on the face of my daughter as I just did a moment ago. I sat down with her on the sofa and (as calmly as I could) tried to explain to her why two poor brothers with strong religious convictions had to, due to their economic impoverishment, fashion a device to protest their inequality out of an inexpensive pressure cooker. I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult - the rage and feelings of helplessness were just too much. She could tell something was wrong. I found myself at such a loss for words - nothing made any sense; nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit, " I just don't know - I don't know what's going on in this country anymore..." When I finished her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears, "Mommy" she said, "why are the Republicans doing this to the country?" Well, that was it for me: I finally fell apart. I just fell into her arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes. She had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I just think itÂ’s too much, but seeing the strength in my daughters voice helped me to get through.

Posted by: CheChe v.7.0 [/i] at April 21, 2013 01:24 PM (feFL6)

336 How many Islamist governments has Obama installed now in North Africa and the Middle East?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 21, 2013 01:24 PM (ZPrif)

337 America as it was *is* dead time to move on and build a better America without the fucktards. Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 05:20 PM (LRFds) Fucktards are everywhere. You can only get away from them in fever-dreams. Wherever you go, they will be there. I am depressed by what has happened here but I am not ready to give up because history tells us that maybe 2 out of a thousand revolutions or breakups didn't end in a clusterfuck of blood explosions. And Americans do not have a habit of doing things on a small scale.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 21, 2013 01:25 PM (qyfb5)

338 So we just got our asses bombed by the international Wahhabi jihad and SCOAMF's response is to help them set up another base in Syria.

I did not vote for this shit.

Posted by: boulder toilet at April 21, 2013 01:26 PM (QTHTd)

339 If Mumbles Menino was so sure "according to law enforcement" that the brothers acted alone, then why the order to lock down Boston with one dead and the other wounded and pinned down in a 20 block area of Watertown?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 21, 2013 01:26 PM (mCvL4)

340 334 Che Che,

that's right Che Che.....

you got it....

the two poor bombers were Republicans who voted for Obama....

*sigh* the sad thing is you do a good job socking a sock and we laugh as though this is parody but for some 3-5% oft he country they eat this bullshit up.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:26 PM (LRFds)

341 That 8 shot Smitty is a fine piece. And I can't imagine a 357 beating up anyone's wrist or hand except the daintiest of little ladies. And even then it's hard to envision. I'm not a big guy at all. Skinny little guy in fact. Had always heard the stories about what a cannon a 44 mag was to shoot. A little intimidated preparing to shoot one the first time. Smitty 629, 6in bbl, Pachmayer combat grips. By the third round it was comfy. Bought it. Before long, one handed semi snap shots at gallon milk jugs at 30 yds were a never miss proposition. Man I wish I still had that piece.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2013 01:29 PM (6Zy+s)

342 @314 It is not confidence-inspiring to see the feds and locals saying opposite things in articles using actual quotation marks. Those saying they acted alone seem to think it is a political question.

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 01:29 PM (sOtz/)

343 336 Mero,

Correct Mero when this nation goes BAD it *will be* the worst. It is better to break up the power base so that it does not make the Soviets and Nazis look small.

I would rather obliterate the Federal monster than have it do any further evil.

That's it I was invited to join a fraternity yesterday and i had to demur because question 2 is "are you a member of the Communist party" and I am certain you will grant that is a pretty evident answer.

Question 3 had to do with "have you ever advocated violent overthrow of the US government?

and while I can still answer that the same way as question 2 the fact is I am doing some serious soul searching about whether or not I'd bet the baby's shoe money on that answer staying the same throughout my life.

It is a "team effort" to keep the Republic Mero and the American people have empowered one side that refused to be 'team' to get their way or else.

I'm "done"....

not one more step left.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:30 PM (LRFds)

344 337 Boulder Toilet Hobo,

if the Cheech N Chong bombers had been willing to go to Durka Durkastan and play splodeydope Barry would have put them on the payroll.....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:32 PM (LRFds)

345 I did not know Drudge had the dueling feds and locals thing. I got the Mirror from JW and then saw it at HA and the Glob article from Yahoo I think.

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2013 01:33 PM (sOtz/)

346 Wow. Christmas in April. Cleaning up shit in gun room and found a gun I had forgotten I owned. Browning 911 in 9mm made in Belgium in perfect condition. I must have bought it from my friend when he was going broke and forgot about it. http://tinyurl.com/99rbo23

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 21, 2013 01:34 PM (wR+pz)

347 I would run for office, but with the shit I've posted online in my real name in the past ten years they would tear me apart.

Posted by: Subway was good at April 21, 2013 01:34 PM (FmFB3)

348 280 Wait. I just noticed that DIT proposed sex in the lead paragraph. Am Itoo late? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse Never!

Posted by: The Fapping Ghosts at April 21, 2013 01:35 PM (/N5JJ)

349 346 Subway was good,

not if you were in a hard red area perhaps...

Look my whole theory is the right loves this idea that we are fighting the mules from circa 1992 when reality is Nanny McRictus old yellered the moderate left in 1996 to present.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:37 PM (LRFds)

350 313 I shot a .22 once when I was a boy. That has to count for something right? Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 21, 2013 05:07 PM (Cs2tJ) Were you firing at a border-jumper?

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 21, 2013 01:41 PM (JQuNB)

351

All in favor of a new thread say "Aye"

All opposes "Nay"

Posted by: seamrog at April 21, 2013 01:41 PM (M21j4)

352 anybody know what the boston bomber jihad brothers were shooting at the police with? Aparently they weere not AR or AK's or else the MFM would be chirping about EBR's like crazy

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 21, 2013 01:41 PM (zzeVM)

353 Moderate left? Heh. Any time anyone votes left, they are voting what is best for themselves. Not what is best for their country, or their offspring. That includes voting for a proven rino.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2013 01:43 PM (3R0Zs)

354 The "Ayes" have it. see new thread.

Posted by: seamrog at April 21, 2013 01:43 PM (M21j4)

355 Teen .44mag is too large for my small hands. But my .41 is awesome, but expensive to shoot

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 21, 2013 01:43 PM (HVff2)

356 I guess I should go clean up around here.... maybe I'll find a Browning... heh

Posted by: Yip at April 21, 2013 01:43 PM (/jHWN)

357 Shit, when I find something I'd forgotten about it's always a bill.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 21, 2013 01:48 PM (JQuNB)

358 41 is a great round oh you of long name whom I'll call irishacres, if that's okay. And yeah, while I'm a "little guy" my hands are decent size. Good grips make a difference too. I absolutely can not shoot anything with Bisley grips. Rolls in my hand.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2013 01:48 PM (r60DJ)

359 thanks, obnoxious @ 330

Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 01:50 PM (t1VIV)

360 And Teen? Nice of ya. But I haven't seen teen in almost 40 yrs.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2013 01:51 PM (r60DJ)

361 352 Teej,

I agree, but I have always been "harder right" than norm.

The gag was the donks looked moderate enough you could think they were 'a third way" but they're not...Red barry hired vanta Clause Jones to play Trotsy with the NEP.....

they are not a "third way' they are the "other way"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 01:51 PM (LRFds)

362 "245 That's the other thing: everyone is convinced that Massachusetts is "too far gone." Bullshit. The reason we never win here is because we never fucking try to win here.

Posted by: Truman North at April 21, 2013 04:23 PM (EsTrr)"

I actually think that there is something to that and it can be applied to black voters as well, although not when the first black President is involved.

What I think it would take would be something like a 10 year missionary effort that will show very few results for the first few election cycles.

One aspect of this would be to buy free election signs for any black politician who wants to run as a Republican in a predominantly black area. The poster must have a picture of the candidate's black face and "Republican" prominently displayed. To be honest, I think that for the first few years it would be mostly bail bondsmen and appliance store owners who realize that they have no chance of being elected and are not particularly sympathetic to Republican issues but who want the free publicity and name recognition that they could get from running for office and having signs with their name and picture put up in front of every poling place in the neighborhood. Over time black children would grow up absorbing the concept that there are black Republicans and voting for them might be an OK thing to do, especially since there is a secret ballot and you don't have to tell your relatives that you did it.

I think that it would probably only get an improvement to where 30% of black votes go Republican while 70% continue to vote Democrat but that could be enough. There are plenty of Democrats who only hold office because they got 90% of the black vote.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at April 21, 2013 01:53 PM (31Nrp)

363 RE: boot with holes.

Ok, now I understand the argument over 'clip' vs 'magazine'.

News reports said 'tarp', 'shrink wrap', and 'cover'. The boat pictured is covered with shrink wrap, not a 'tarp' i.e. canvas cover.

Damn journalists are either ignorant or robot stenographers who write what they are told. It's an annoyance, like a tooth ache, makes me grumpy.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 21, 2013 01:59 PM (/fXHX)

364 I guess you could say I'm hard right too sven. If it isn't clearly in the constitution the govt has no business doing it. Of course our constitution was meant for a certain type of people and is wholly inadequate to govern any other. Greed, envy, sloth etc. These are what is killing our country.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2013 01:59 PM (e0nsQ)

365 Crap. Gotta plug teh fone in. Later.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2013 02:02 PM (e0nsQ)

366 "Browning 911"

---------------

WTF is a Browning 911? I thought Porsche made those.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 21, 2013 02:31 PM (celt+)

367 I am going to make the case for my pistol. Anyone who knows guns will wince when I say what it is. I have a Highpoint 45 JHP. The bad points: it's ugly, it's heavy, it isn't cool.

Here are the good points:

9 rounds of 45 ACP in the magazine. Shoots hollow points just fine.

It's accurate - puts round after round on target when I shoot it.

It's reliable - about the only thing that will cause failures to go into battery is a limp wrist hold - but that can jam almost any automatic.

It's made in the USA (Ohio).

It has a life time warranty.

Its recoil is not bad for a 45 - simple blow back operation and a heavy slide mean reduced recoil.

It's fun to shoot.

If I run out of ammo it makes a good club.

IT HAS A LIST PRICE of $199 brand new.

Ugly, nasty, and cheap are bad qualities for a girlfriend - but they are just the qualities I think a pistol ought to have.

If you are on a limited income you might look at one of these.

Posted by: An Observation at April 21, 2013 02:37 PM (ylhEn)

368 366 an observation,

the Hi-Point....

and for what they are they are fine weapons.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 21, 2013 02:42 PM (LRFds)

369 I'll say it again: Sometimes the crisis wastes you.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 21, 2013 02:55 PM (gmoEG)

370 recently shot an xd had same problem, when slide doesnt fully go into battery firing pin is disengaged,possible causes are extracter hanging on rim keeping case from seating properly or need different weight slide spring matched to the load shooting

Posted by: rd in mississippi at April 21, 2013 03:00 PM (NcSi2)

371 also cases not sized properly will not seat all the way,look at back of slide next time it happens you will see a very slight offset to the frame, otherwise the chamber does look closed but its not

Posted by: rd in mississippi at April 21, 2013 03:04 PM (NcSi2)

372 I just returned from my CWP course where I passed the shooting and written exams with flying colors. My pistol performance is up dramatically since just 6 months ago when it was total shit. I mostly attribute the better accuracy to improved grip though I'm certain better health (quitting smoking, minimizing boozing, exercising, etc.) is a factor.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at April 21, 2013 03:12 PM (7xeJQ)

373 It's a hell of a thing, killing a thread. Take away all it's got... and all it's ever gonna have.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at April 21, 2013 03:50 PM (7xeJQ)

374 I like my various .45s but I am not worth a shit after 20 yards with any of them. And within 20 yards I am thinking that is too close and I will be not worth a shit with anything that is shooting back. Posted by: navybrat at April 21, 2013 02:34 PM (t1VIV) I always figure if I'm somehow trading shots with a bad guy (who is presumably also armed with a handgun) at 20+ yards, then I'm doin' it wrong. My primary options in such a scenario include (1) closing the distance so I can get a better shot, which would be as advantageous for the bad guy as it would be for me; and (2) running away, with a very high probability of success. It always depends on the circumstances, but since I'm not a cop and no longer a soldier and certainly have nothing to prove, I'll most likely go with (2), thanks. Nothing wrong with retreat. See ya, bad guy, buh-bye. As an aside, most gunfights take place at less than 10 feet. I train at 5-7 yards, rarely farther. Also keep in mind that, at 20+ yards, it would be hard in most cases to prove that the bad guy posed an imminent threat. Yeah, I know: better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, but shooting it out at distance begs the question: why not disengage?

Posted by: troyriser at April 21, 2013 03:54 PM (ptcFO)

375 "She told the Gun Shop Guy that she wanted to carry in her purse - so the dick heads were trying to sell her a Glock. I have nothing against them, but bouncing around in a purse with only a trigger safety is just pure fucking dumb!" The gun range here had some really sweet purses for sale designed to carry a gun in an easily accessible but separate pocket. I liked the ones with the zipper on the side so you could slip your hand in without it even looking like you had your purse open. The nice part about them, I thought, was that the main purse part where you dig around for stuff didn't have the gun in it so you didn't have the issue of showing it off when you were trying to find your checkbook or keys.

Posted by: Synova at April 21, 2013 03:56 PM (7/PU+)

376 I took my MI concealed pistol course yesterday. One step closer to sheepdog status.

Posted by: bEast Lansing at April 21, 2013 03:57 PM (o/y5t)

377 I should say the purse was designed to carry the gun in a *holster* in a separate pocket. I don't really like the idea of carrying in my purse because it's not really secure that way, fer pities sake, I left my purse in Nevada once. I probably wouldn't do that any more now that my kids are older and I got my brain back but still... purse snatchers?

Posted by: Synova at April 21, 2013 04:06 PM (7/PU+)

378 Grats bEast Lansing.

That's my next thing, maybe next fall, provided I can ever find ammunition ever again.

Posted by: Synova at April 21, 2013 04:08 PM (7/PU+)

379

Er, about that marksmanship award...the perp is still alive.

Posted by: Aiming is important too at April 21, 2013 04:09 PM (f/qE7)

380 I am going to make the case for my pistol. Anyone who knows guns will wince when I say what it is. I have a Highpoint 45 JHP. Posted by: An Observation at April 21, 2013 06:37 PM (ylhEn) Absolutely nothing wrong with the Hi-Point .45. Don't own one myself but I've heard good things about them: Affordable, reliable, and sturdy. The downside (at least from what I've read) is that the trigger is craptastic and, in terms of handling, they are about as ergonomically awkward as it gets. However, since blowback pistols of that caliber require such a top-heavy slide, the unbalanced aspect is more or less baked in the cake. I own several pistols and revolvers, some fairly high-end. My personal favorite is a combloc surplus Polish Radom TT33 Tokarev. It's an absolute joy to shoot and cost a little over $200.

Posted by: troyriser at April 21, 2013 04:31 PM (ptcFO)

381 Who wants a .50 cal bottle opener? http://lastcall.dailysteals.com/ Only good through midnight!

Posted by: Boomer Redneque votes Galt/Rearden '16! Burn, baby, burn... at April 21, 2013 04:42 PM (eQnzo)

382 I'm basically a pistol guy, 1911's, Glocks and XD's but my bedside table go to gun is a Taurus 608. Eight rounds of 357mag goodness. When I'm awakened in the middle of the night I want the simplicity and reliability of a fork.

Posted by: Möbius at April 21, 2013 05:52 PM (QqmnC)

383

BANG

Now stay dead. mo-fo

Posted by: TheRealThreadKilla(fo realz yo) at April 21, 2013 07:02 PM (ORvjs)

384 http://ow.ly/1VxQrT

"Kim du Toit - Bedside Guns - Kim likes his semi-auto handguns, but he keeps a .44 special revolver in his bedside table. Smith & Wesson -- the original "point and click" interface. Good, practical advice on choosing a revolver, choosing ammo, politically correct ammo in states where it might matter, and keeping your kids away from your night-time defense guns. [kimdutoit] Ultimately, as I've said before, it all depends what you're comfortable with -- and if you'd rather park your Glock 17 next to the bed, be my guest. Just be sure that when you're half-awake and fumbling for the thing, you don't hit the magazine release by mistake (it's been known to happen, more than once) -- and that can happen with any semi-auto pistol.

A revolver is like a fork: you pick it up, and it works.

...

But most importantly of all, if your kid has friends over to play, lock the damn gun away. You may be able to trust your kid, but a group of kids has the collective responsibility of a treeful of drunken chimpanzees, and that includes yours. "

Posted by: geoffb at April 22, 2013 09:15 AM (d3wbb)

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