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April 28, 2013

Gun Thread (4-28-13)
— andy

Air Travel With A Gun

Last weekend I took my shotgun down to Georgia for a turkey hunting trip. It's the first time I've ever flown with a checked firearm, mainly because I always thought it'd be a big hassle.

It isn't.

(Shockingly ... not even at Logan Airport in Boston on the morning they're chasing terrorists around the city)

The TSA has instructions on their website for how they need to be transported. I followed these instructions to the letter, and the process at the airport couldn't have gone more smoothly.

Barack Obama: Gun Salesman of the Millenium

The WSJ explains everything you need to know about why the gun and ammo shelves are bare.

NICS Background Checks:

Gun Of The Week

(answer below) Marksmanship Award

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— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) April 25, 2013

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Smith & Wesson Model 41 .22 LR target pistol. S&W's first forays into semiautomatic pistols produced some relatively awful results (lookin' at you, Models 39 & 59). The Model 41 is a notable exception.

GE Capital Exits Firearms Consumer Lending Business

I agree with NSSF's take on it, though. It's the free market at work, and they can do whatever they want.

Now, keep in mind, as the story itself said, that GE Capital had stopped taking on new customers in this space in 2008 and was only servicing existing ones, that Â“the companyÂ’s exit has little overall impact in a U.S. gun market, where sales last year totaled $11.7 billion (and in which) Â… financing remains a marginal activityÂ” and that their involvement in this market is Â“an Â‘insignificant and immaterialÂ’ part of GE CapitalÂ’s business.Â”

NRA Releases iPad Version of The American Rifleman

If you're an NRA member with an iPad, give it a look.

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Posted by: andy at 07:58 AM | Comments (160)
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1 Did Andys post break? Where are the comments?

Posted by: L, elle at April 28, 2013 08:03 AM (0PiQ4)

2 bang

Posted by: mallfly at April 28, 2013 08:03 AM (jDjlM)

3 and take a tip from Joe Biden: if you're ever being carjacked, just grab your shotgun and fire two blasts through the windshield. That'll scare em off the way no handgun would!

Posted by: mallfly at April 28, 2013 08:05 AM (jDjlM)

4
For those of you who are NY residents, best buy your ammo before next year. At that time, you WILL become a registered firearm owner if you purchase ammo.

Name and address is required, and the vendor will perform a background check. He/she is required to retain these records.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 28, 2013 08:05 AM (SAMxH)

5 Taking my Remington Apache 77 out into the woods this afternoon to do some plinking. Can't afford to take ony of the center fires with me, can't get ammo replenishment. Oh, and fuck John McCain.

Posted by: Attila at April 28, 2013 08:06 AM (Cs2tJ)

These threads are coming at break neck speed. I think I will go back to lurking. BTW anyone have any experience with SIRT laser training replicas?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at April 28, 2013 08:06 AM (D5Cmn)

7 Speaking of traveling with guns. Some guy who didn't want his luggage lost anymore started traveling with starter guns, the guns that shoot blanks. Legal to bring into any state, he delares it at the airport and they treat that luggage like the Ark of the Covenant.

Posted by: Up with people! at April 28, 2013 08:07 AM (FmFB3)

8 Bought a Umarex MP5 A5 .22LR to teach my son shooting and to plink with. Always liked the look of the MP5 and wanted one. This is the closest I'm going to get to the real thing.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 08:07 AM (doBIb)

9 Oh, and fuck John McCain.

Posted by: Attila at April 28, 2013 12:06 PM (Cs2tJ)

Clear, concise and to the point.

A+

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 08:10 AM (/WLC3)

10 Oh, and the Umarex one is actually manufactured by Walther under license from HK. If they have HK's blessing, they must be doing something right.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 08:10 AM (doBIb)

11 Oh, and fuck John McCain.

Posted by: Attila at April 28, 2013 12:06 PM (Cs2tJ)

Clear, concise and to the point.

A+

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 12:10 PM (/WLC3)

He forgot the "But first, you will blow me!" finisher.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 08:10 AM (doBIb)

12 pew! pew pew! So I'm visiting Arizona next month and looking forward to unrestricted open carry. I imagine I will freak out some squares at the Grand Canyon who are unfamiliar with how Arizona does things. Closing thought: why aren't I living in Arizona already

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 28, 2013 08:14 AM (8sCoq)

13 That's an assault pistol, right? Ban it.

Posted by: Sen. Ma'am Feinswine at April 28, 2013 08:15 AM (BBWjt)

14 Flew to Denver with my 9MM, they did take me aside on the way back and open up the case, but nobody hassled me and it was actually pretty easy. But that was before we had this piece of marxist shit in the WH.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 28, 2013 08:17 AM (5wHPS)

15 You can also use the air travel with guns regs to protect your checked bag.

Use a hard sided pelican lock box instead of a regular suitcase. Leave a pistol on top of your stuff, lock it up, and check it in as a firearm container.

The TSA cannot open it unless they have you open it and stand over them. No more stolen stuff when TSA opens your bag and tags it as an opened bag.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 28, 2013 08:18 AM (wYVte)

16 The TSA cannot open it unless they have you open it and stand over them. No more stolen stuff when TSA opens your bag and tags it as an opened bag.

That's been my fear. Those TSA fuckers just love to go through people's stuff and steal shit, leave notes, etc.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 08:20 AM (doBIb)

17 I travelled with two pieces in a pelican hard case through Laguardia in NY. It was equally strange to walk into an airport with what clearly looked like a box of military hardware. Yet nobody blinked. And one can take what seems like gobs of ammo with you. I chose not to bring any because it just seemed weird and risky. Good thing because NYC has gobs of laws to include ammo. I do know i would be completely legal on a federal level. Locally? Who the fuck knows.

Posted by: Mac at April 28, 2013 08:20 AM (5aory)

18 He forgot the "But first, you will blow me!" finisher.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 12:10 PM (doBIb)

Do you really want a BJ from John McCain?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 08:21 AM (/WLC3)

19 >Do you really want a BJ from John McCain? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 12:21 PM (/WLC3) It's not so bad.

Posted by: President of the United States Jugears McFuckstick at April 28, 2013 08:23 AM (8sCoq)

20 Wait, this isn't the Spanx/make up thread?

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 08:23 AM (Wl/Ht)

21 The TSA cannot open it unless they have you open it and stand over them. No more stolen stuff when TSA opens your bag and tags it as an opened bag. Really? Three weekes ago I flew from Philly to Wilmington NC and my bag had the we searched your shit sticker on it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 28, 2013 08:24 AM (XIxXP)

22 So, from 1999 to 2008 background checks nearly doubled, then in the next year they went up by about 25%, then up by about 10% per year for the next few years, then in the last year they nearly doubled. I blame Lutheran Separatist agitation.

Posted by: eman at April 28, 2013 08:24 AM (cQ4xo)

23 .

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 28, 2013 08:24 AM (8sCoq)

24 Mac: I would prefer to travel through Canada than Laguardia. Even with a firearm. I CAN get permits from the Canadian government to leave me and my guns alone while traveling.

In fact on my last trip to Australia, I deliberately booked a flight from Vancouver BC, and drove up there, instead of having to deal with the TSA and ICE in LAX.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 28, 2013 08:24 AM (wYVte)

25 Sort of makes a guy want to take flying lessons, join a club, and fly himself around.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 28, 2013 08:25 AM (XIxXP)

26 Oldsaqilors Poet: Was it checked in as a firearm container?

Firearms containers need to be locked ( and not with a "TSA" approved fake lock ), and cannot be opened unless you are there.

Regular bags are always subject to inspection.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 28, 2013 08:26 AM (wYVte)

27 3 and take a tip from Joe Biden: if you're ever being carjacked, just grab your shotgun and fire two blasts through the windshield. That'll scare em off the way no handgun would! Posted by: mallfly at April 28, 2013 12:05 PM (jDjlM) Joe recommends the Serbu Super Shorty for this. Any eighteen year old can go into WalMart and buy one. No background check needed since it's a shotgun.

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 08:27 AM (Wl/Ht)

28 Oldsaqilors Poet: Was it checked in as a firearm container? Firearms containers need to be locked ( and not with a "TSA" approved fake lock ), and cannot be opened unless you are there. Regular bags are always subject to inspection. Posted by: Kristophr at April 28, 2013 12:26 PM (wYVte) Sorry, I misunderstood. It wasn't a fire arm, just my luggage.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 28, 2013 08:29 AM (XIxXP)

29 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 28, 2013 12:24 PM (XIxXP) Did you have a firearm, or declare as such?

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 08:29 AM (Wl/Ht)

30 No problem.

What I was advocating was buying a big wheeled Pelican container with locks, putting your gun AND your luggage in it, and using the travel with gun regs to prevent the TSA rats from looting it.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 28, 2013 08:30 AM (wYVte)

31 F the TSA.. I've stopped flying... course, I don't get around like I used to... heh

Posted by: Yip at April 28, 2013 08:33 AM (/jHWN)

32 Have checked firearms a bundle of times. By far the funniest was the first time I declared a firearm. The counter agent asked in a lispy voice if I was a LEO. Thought to myself...no I'm a frickin Picses, what difference does that make? Fortunately I didn't further embarrass myself, and simply told him I didn't know what a LEO was...Palm to the head for being young & dumb.

Posted by: scampydog at April 28, 2013 08:37 AM (2SXc9)

33 It's not so bad.

Posted by: President of the United States Jugears McFuckstick at April 28, 2013 12:23 PM (8sCoq)

But even Morons have standards...

Posted by: KG at April 28, 2013 08:42 AM (IPz9m)

34 Do you really want a BJ from John McCain? It's his turn.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 28, 2013 08:43 AM (JQuNB)

35 Shoulder still hurts, 24 hours later, after shooting Mosin Nagant.

Once.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 08:54 AM (4Mv1T)

36 GE Capital is a whore of the Obama junta. Their debt would have capsized them had this been a capitalist economy. However, in the fascist economy of the modern Democrat Party, they will go on and on, as they long as they continue to serve the fascist's needs.

Posted by: JBIDEN at April 28, 2013 08:55 AM (MhRBf)

37 Here's a question. I have an old Bushnell Sentry 18-36x -50MM spotting scope. Great shape

Not worth a crap to see anything at a 100yd indoor range. I wonder if it is worth keeping if I get an opportunity to shoot outdoors with the added light? I am surprised that they still sell these.

I rent a 50X scope at the indoor range just so I can see that I am missing.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 09:00 AM (4Mv1T)

38 In order to prohibit the gun industry, Obama first had to be its greatest pitchman.

Posted by: Beagle at April 28, 2013 09:00 AM (sOtz/)

One good thing about the Obama regime's unending assault on our God-given rights as free citizens to be armed is that it has turned Mrs. Cop from being mildly afraid of firearms to a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment. She has taken several training classes and purchased a handgun for the first time in her life. She has now applied for her Concealed Carry permit.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 28, 2013 09:00 AM (nYHk7)

40 Does a Moisin have a bigger kick than a 1903 Springfield?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 28, 2013 09:02 AM (vHxiM)

41 Easiest way to fly with a weapon? Dress like a Muslim The TSA is so PC you could probably walk up with a rpg and walk right passed them

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 28, 2013 09:02 AM (0XV8C)

42 My experience with flying with a gun and ammo was the same. I called the airline ahead of time and said I would be flying with gun. I opened up case at counter, a ticket agent dropped in a red piece of paper and sent me to a special TSA line. They could not have been nicer. Processed the luggage in seconds. Some TSA desks require end locks on travel cases, so have a pair of padlocks. Ammo should be in original box, taped shut. When I arrived, the weapon was hand delivered to me a luggage claim.

Posted by: pat at April 28, 2013 09:05 AM (jlQR7)

43 ...couldn't have gone more smoothly.
You didn't see where they put their fingers in me, Andy!

Posted by: andy's shotgun at April 28, 2013 09:06 AM (mGBy8)

44 >>>40 Does a Moisin have a bigger kick than a 1903 Springfield? Tobacco Road, pick up the white courtesy phone in the lobby...

Posted by: Anthony L. at April 28, 2013 09:06 AM (bl6Iq)

45 Easiest way to fly with a weapon?
Dress like a Muslim

The TSA is so PC you could probably walk up with a rpg and walk right passed them

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 28, 2013 01:02 PM

yeah, especially if you tell them you're going to a wedding.

So...did you score that san dimas???

Posted by: Berserker at April 28, 2013 09:07 AM (FMbng)

11Oh, and fuck John McCain.

Posted by: Attila at April 28, 2013 12:06 PM (Cs2tJ)

Clear, concise and to the point.

Did u know he is a fucking fuck?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 28, 2013 09:08 AM (xA8Em)

47 I don't suppose anybody has any hints on where to find 'cheap' 223 ammo? I've been checking shops around my area (southeastern NH) and not finding anything better then boxes of 20 rounds for at least 60 cents a round, two boxes per person.

Probably asking for the moon, but figured I'd see if there was any moron knowledge out there. Worst case is being told, "you're SOL". I can live with that.

Posted by: Gaff at April 28, 2013 09:09 AM (iV8i3)

48 Some time ago I traveled through Las Vegas with a "case full of guns" for a training course. The counterladies were required (per that particular airline) to verify that the guns were unloaded, but they didn't know much about the subject, so we ended up with one of the ladies literally clambering up onto the counter and following my instructions on chamber-checking the guns. In a crowded air terminal. It was fairly awesome. I did notice as we finally closed, locked, and marked the case that about 200 people were leaning over the upstairs railings looking down at us. I have always done incognito well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:09 AM (qyfb5)

49 The TSA is so PC you could probably walk up with a rpg and walk right passed them

The Modern TSA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S9H6RO0bKA

Posted by: chemjeff at April 28, 2013 09:10 AM (BBWjt)

50 45 oh hell yeah It's why my dumb ass worked late yesterday The insane chick who gives me white hair is pumped about playing it first since shell be out of school

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 28, 2013 09:10 AM (i4RhQ)

I is most sad...

We have to divert our attention away from what the current administration is trying to slip past us.......like the "Stop" button Barry B.F.O'Jug Ears just signed that killed oversight on congress critters Wall Street dealings.

(READ!) They will now get to continue they's own form of insider tradin!

BUT!! without the guberment having to keep tabs and such....which was beginning to look like a BIG FUCKING PROBLEM...til Barry "O" Jug EARS.....killed said oversight with a swipe of his most bitchin pen

awesome dude.......

Posted by: Richard at April 28, 2013 09:14 AM (y401u)

52 I always preferred the High Standard type profile of a .22 auto.

Posted by: pat at April 28, 2013 09:16 AM (jlQR7)

53 entertaining info on flying with a gat:

http://deviating.net/firearms/packing/

Posted by: steve l. at April 28, 2013 09:19 AM (R0MFk)

54 I can't answer the question about the Springfield. I was admiring this guy's Mosin at the range, which of course made all the other elephant guns sound like pee shooters. I asked about the recoil. He said, "I can't describe it. Just shoot it."

I think some more of my hair fell out from the shock wave.

re: .223 .60 per for brass cased ammo is the best I am seeing in NC, and I keep my eyes out. Sometimes Walmart gets some in and it is below market, but I have a life, and can't afford to pay Igor to go wait at the door for them to open every morning.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 09:19 AM (4Mv1T)

After seeing some of the vids with .22LR, AND given some of the new offerings of loads......

a MAN stopper? out to 200+ yds?

U better u bet!!

Posted by: Richard at April 28, 2013 09:20 AM (y401u)

"Wink"

All about the barrel twist

jus ask Mr. Stoner.....(wink)...(wink)

Posted by: Richard at April 28, 2013 09:24 AM (y401u)

Went to a firearms class for women on Friday night and actually shot a gun for the first time in about 20 years.

Link to a pic of my target cuz I did alright despite lack of practice and the fact that I was not thrilled with the noise and all:

http://tinyurl.com/c9p2rv5

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:25 AM (SUKHu)

58 Don't know what the Mosin is like TR. I would imagine you'd want to stay away from a 7mm mag that hasn't had a nice recoil pad installed. The one I lost in that tragic ice fishing accident wasn't exactly fun to shoot.

Posted by: teej at April 28, 2013 09:26 AM (RYVE/)

59 I shoot a lightweight 7mm Remington Magnum. It's a pussycat. Mind you, I wouldn't want to shoot it all day long, but it packs more energy than a 30-06 or a 7.62x54. Part of the issue is technique or configuration, but people just plain have different recoil sensitivity. Which is okay, there's no rule saying you have to enjoy that sort of thing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:27 AM (qyfb5)

60 Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 01:25 PM (SUKHu) Thumbs up! And another thumb up for an orange cat!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:28 AM (qyfb5)

61 One of the ammo suppliers on my list is selling .45ACP for a price I have never seen.

http://tinyurl.com/cnfhshv

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 09:28 AM (/WLC3)

62 The Mosin would be around the same recoil (ish) as the 30-06 Springfield or other 30-06 or .308 bolt-action rifles. There are various loads for any of them, usually between 2500-2850 ft-lbs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:29 AM (qyfb5)

>>And another thumb up for an orange cat!

She a sweetie.

I was using my husband's Ruger P85 which is...not light...

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:31 AM (SUKHu)

64 Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 01:25 PM (SUKHu)

Impressive.

[show-off!]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 09:32 AM (/WLC3)

Oh, and I shot a 20 gauge shotgun a couple times.

That would take some getting used to...

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:33 AM (SUKHu)

66 I was using my husband's Ruger P85 which is...not light... Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 01:31 PM (SUKHu) Heh. The Ruger P-series were strong, a little heavy (good for recoil)... but they never fit my hands properly. I respect but don't use old-series Smiths for the same reason.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:33 AM (qyfb5)

>>show-off!

Only if I don't mention how close I was to the target...

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:34 AM (SUKHu)

68 CBD- That's just crazy, isn't it. Just bought Federal .45 auto thsi week for .60 per rd, jacketed ball ammo. A shop somewhat complained because they say I am facilitating the hoarders, but I don't pay anymore than the shops are currently charging, WHEN they even have any.

I don't know where the hoarders are getting theirs, but if they sell at "market" price, maybe just so they can pay a light bill at home, I'm buying.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 09:35 AM (4Mv1T)

69 Probably technique Mero. Plus I'm a skinny guy. No, skinnier than that. It was fine when dressed for the cold. In a T-shirt? Different story.

Posted by: teej at April 28, 2013 09:35 AM (PNi9V)

70 I could shoot the Garand all day. Remington model 700 in '.06, not so much! It does help reduce recoil if the magazine is full.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 28, 2013 09:36 AM (xA8Em)

71 Only if I don't mention how close I was to the target...

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 01:34 PM (SUKHu)

I assume from the 25 yard line on the pistol range.

And, young lady, this is where you smile and talk about the weather, and those beautiful roses in the back yard.

[shooters are worse than fishermen]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 09:37 AM (/WLC3)

72 >>>Oh, and I shot a 20 gauge shotgun a couple times.

That would take some getting used to...

Recoil pad for the butt will make all the difference. I was testing my new 20" barrel on my newly acquired 12 ga and was shocked at how little the recoil was after shooting 16 gauge for so long with no recoil pad on the butt.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 09:37 AM (4Mv1T)

73 No, skinnier than that. Posted by: teej at April 28, 2013 01:35 PM (PNi9V) Heh. I have no similar complaints.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:38 AM (qyfb5)

74 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 01:35 PM (4Mv1T)

I keep assuming that these prices won't remain this high, but I see absolutely no evidence that they are dropping.

I'm going to pull the trigger on a big purchase soon because I am getting more and more worried.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 09:38 AM (/WLC3)

75 61 I cry every time I look for some .45. I love my Glock 30 sf and it loves eating through 100 rounds every Saturday afternoon. 6 months ago I could find it. Now, not so much.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 28, 2013 09:40 AM (QNNeu)

76 Well, back to pushing the mower.

Posted by: teej at April 28, 2013 09:40 AM (PNi9V)

>>I assume from the 25 yard line on the pistol range.

[lady-like snort]

Isn't the kitty cute???

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:40 AM (SUKHu)

78 @ CBD. "Find 1000, buy 1000" is my motto.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 28, 2013 09:41 AM (QNNeu)

Well,

That was fun...night watch again in 6 hours so....

have a fine Sunday morn.....

sleep now....

Posted by: Richard at April 28, 2013 09:43 AM (y401u)

80 Merovign:
I just open the chamber or cylinder and show them that they are clear. They are generally more than happy to not have to handle the firearm themselves.

Comrade Arthur:
Ballistics and kick are about the same. The Mosin-Nagant gets it kick rep from the M-38 and M-44 carbines. A short carbine chambered in a full length battle rifle cartridge is going to kick like hell if you aren't ready for it.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 28, 2013 09:43 AM (wYVte)

>>Recoil pad for the butt will make all the difference.

Oh, I'll have to look for one of those. I wasn't quite so tense the second time I shot it, which was a mistake because I didn't have my cheek tight against it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:43 AM (SUKHu)

82 Yeah, this is me being glad I stocked up a few years ago. I do need to break out the reloading bench, but it's not urgent.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:43 AM (qyfb5)

83 47 Keep going back to slickguns and when it's there, grab it

Posted by: DAve at April 28, 2013 09:44 AM (XDC0v)

84 I assume you all know this. In my area anyway, armslist.com is where I continue to find lots of unreasonable, and sometimes reasonably priced ammo. My wife thinks I am up to no good, meeting guys in parking lots, but I don't care. It's legal, and I don't stray more than 5-8 miles from home when I meet someone.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 09:45 AM (4Mv1T)

85 A good recoil pad is only about $7-10. As far as "bang for your buck" that's pretty good. Generally speaking: Heavier guns recoil less than lighter guns. Semi-autos recoil less than pump or bolt-action. A muzzle brake, properly designed, can reduce perceived recoil by *more than* 50%. Muzzle brake effectiveness goes up with gas volume - i.e. weak calibers don't see much benefit in terms of recoil. Sugar is tasty but not all that good for you. Wooden nickels - *not* legal tender!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:48 AM (qyfb5)

The class I went to was an into. to firearms class for women, but all but one woman there had fired a gun before.

Most--or maybe all--the women were wives of Air Force guys. The husbands have guns, are comfortable shooting them but maybe aren't great at teaching their wives. And most of the guns we all brought in were large and not the least bit pink.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:48 AM (SUKHu)

87 The Smith 41 is a decent gun. I have several friends who compete with them.

It's easier to get a really good trigger pull with a High Standard, though. For three gun bullseye, I went from a Ruger MkII to a High Standard Citation and never looked back.

Posted by: Chris Morton at April 28, 2013 09:49 AM (uoVFE)

88 Rules or no rules, don't take your gun through JFK or LaGuardia. Between TSA and the baggage handlers, it WILL get stolen.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 28, 2013 09:50 AM (qvify)

89 The Mosin that kicked my ass yesterday must've been a carbine. It looked just like a rifle, only smaller.

Guy with a pristine Garand was next to him, but the Mosin commanded all the attention with the fireball and shock wave.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 09:50 AM (4Mv1T)

90 Despite the stories here, I would very leery of traveling with a gun. I just don't trust TSA. Period. I'd be worried if my wife travelled with a vibrator, knowing they open her suitcase up and leave a note or take pics with it or something.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 09:52 AM (doBIb)

91 Hey Tobacco, I'd trade with ya! I'll meet you in a dark alley anytime!

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 09:53 AM (doBIb)

Hmm. Project Appleseed is having "boot camps" near here this year...

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 28, 2013 09:55 AM (SUKHu)

93 Chris: A Ruger MkII trigger can be fixed.

Majestic Arms in NY makes a good trigger kit, as well as a removable takedown pin, which fixes the major difficulty issue in breaking down a MkII for cleaning.

I got my Distinguished Expert ( Pistol ) rating with one.

I shot all targets straight through without having to reshoot a target with that Ruger ( I wasn't aware I was that good at it, I just thought I was another duffer ). So you can get the job done with a MkII.

If you are going to get serious about pistol shooting, you probably need to leave pistols like the High Standard and Ruger behind anyway.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 28, 2013 09:56 AM (wYVte)

94 >>>I'll meet you in a dark alley anytime!

*shudders*

I only go where there's LOTS of light, and LOTS of people, and LOTS of cars.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 09:56 AM (4Mv1T)

95 You know where I'd go? A gun store. I'd tell the person to meet me at so-and-so gun store where there's already a bunch of armed people.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 09:58 AM (doBIb)

96 I fired a Hammerli .22 once, it was delish. I would settle for a Browning Buckmark Silhouette, though.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 09:58 AM (qyfb5)

97 94 Yeah mickey d's parking lot is my fave

Posted by: DAve at April 28, 2013 09:59 AM (XDC0v)

98 95 Gun store no good. esp. the hours.

Posted by: DAve at April 28, 2013 09:59 AM (XDC0v)

99 Why not a gun store? They're open on weekends.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 10:01 AM (doBIb)

100 I meet right in front of busy grocery stores in the middle of the day, and busy fast food restaurants. Whether it is a firearm trade/sale, or for ammo.The people who I have met are all as interested as me in meeting someplace very busy with lots of people around. Two have been LEOs, one was a GM mechanic just starting a new shop, one was a preacher, seriously, one was a soldier, in uniform.

Only one was an ass, but because the shotgun he had listed wasn't as nice as advertised, and he was annoyed that he drove five miles for no sale.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 10:03 AM (4Mv1T)

101 If parents take away toy guns then kids will just use sticks as guns. Jonathan Browning and Elizabeth Caroline Wier Clark tried that with little Johnny M and look what happened. http://tinyurl.com/c2r45ys

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 10:04 AM (Wl/Ht)

102
Never felt the recoil from the Garand was objectionable. I did Basic and qualified expert with one. In fact, it was the issue rifle until part way through my usaeur tour, when we were issued the M14--my REAL love.

I currently own both and shoot them regularly, at least up to the asinine safe act. Do believe they are gonna mysteriously disappear shortly.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 28, 2013 10:08 AM (SAMxH)

103 Drives me nuts how wrong Hollywood gets gun stuff. Case in point: the season finale of Walking Dead. Andrea asks Rick for his gun, and says, "I know how the safety works." No, you don't, Andrea, because Rick has a revolver.

After Rick gives her the revolver, we hear from outside of the room a gunshot. Followed by the sound of a cartridge case hitting the floor.

Oy.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 28, 2013 10:10 AM (celt+)

104 Visited the fresh new thread above, but it's an O'Blammo thread. Ugh. No offense to Dave in TX. I can only bitch about the JEF for so long.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 10:14 AM (4Mv1T)

105 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 28, 2013 02:10 PM (celt+) So you can't use a mag-lite as a suppressor?

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 10:15 AM (Wl/Ht)

106 Shoulder still hurts, 24 hours later, after shooting Mosin Nagant. Once. 5.56 makes you soft.

Posted by: toby928© One comment, Vasili, one comment only please at April 28, 2013 10:16 AM (QupBk)

107 Damn. Actually a mag-lite on a M&P 15 .22 is hellaquiet.

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 10:17 AM (Wl/Ht)

108 "If you are going to get serious about pistol shooting, you probably need to leave pistols like the High Standard and Ruger behind anyway."

Most of the people in the pistol league here use either High Standards or Hammerlis. If you're under the impression that High Standards aren't top of the line rimfire target pistols, you're probably thinking of the junk Mitchells. An original Hamden High Standard is the equal of any Model 41 (or better), and will give a Hammerli or Walther a run for its money.

And my Ruger had a Volquartsen trigger kit. It was just never going to equal a High Standard.

A huge percentage of the people in the Cleveland area who shoot bullseye start with Rugers (MkIs, IIs, or IIIs) and then progress to something better, be it a High Standard, S&W, Walther, Hammerli or IZH-35. I always recommend them for somebody who's starting out in bullseye but doesn't want to drop a bundle on a gun to start.

Posted by: Chris Morton at April 28, 2013 10:18 AM (uoVFE)

109 Thanks for the heads up on Slickguns. I bought some off Cabela's yesterday for about 0.65/round with shipping, but I've heard others have had problems with them lately so we'll see if that comes through.

Posted by: Gaff at April 28, 2013 10:19 AM (iV8i3)

110 I took Troy Risers advice and ordered replacement recoil and trigger springs for my P64s from Wolf. Looking forward to getting them before the next GunThread. That DA is simply ridiculous with the stock spring. I feel compelled to SA it currently, but the trigger is awkward for that.

Posted by: toby928© One comment, Vasili, one comment only please at April 28, 2013 10:20 AM (QupBk)

111 103 Drives me nuts how wrong Hollywood gets gun stuff. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 28, 2013 02:10 PM (celt+) I think they just don't care. Sometimes they say "we put that stuff in for people to catch, it's like an in-joke." Sure. Right. Yep. Same knock-knock joke 13,284 days running.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 28, 2013 10:21 AM (qyfb5)

112 So you can't use a mag-lite as a suppressor?

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 02:15 PM (Wl/Ht)

-----------------

Yeah, that was a good one, too. Especially since an oil filter actually DOES work.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 28, 2013 10:22 AM (celt+)

113 We were discussing up thread, I think that Mosin-Nagant was a carbine. But I gotta say, the guy next to me had two, and he was shooting when I got there, and I was there for about 90 minutes, He only left a few minutes before I did.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 10:24 AM (4Mv1T)

114 So I passed on an MP15 Sport a couple of weeks ago on sale for $700. Figured I didn't want one assembled by a bleary-eyed worker on his 16th straight week of overtime. I'm going to grab one after May, assuming no lunatic shoots up a school in the meantime. Hope I didn't outsmart myself.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 28, 2013 10:25 AM (celt+)

115 So I passed on an MP15 Sport a couple of weeks ago on sale for $700. Wow, that's pre-panic price. Now if only the ammo would drop.

Posted by: toby928© One comment, Vasili, one comment only please at April 28, 2013 10:29 AM (QupBk)

116 >>>I'm going to grab one after May, assuming no lunatic shoots up a school in the meantime.

Someone here referred to TFG as "President Disaster-a-day". Appropriate.

Just when you think it's safe to go back in the water, something dreadful occurs in the news, and you know this administration doesn't like to waste a crisis.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 10:30 AM (4Mv1T)

117 "...some relatively awful results (lookin' at you, Models 39 & 59)."

Have the S&W 39-2. Traded the 59 for three draft picks to be named later.

Except for an S&W 3813, the 39 is my favorite carry 9mm. It does make these little crunchin-clinkin noises when touchin-squeezin trigger. But has satisfying boom every time.

Always wanted a S&W 41. Drifted of to 1911 land instead.

Thanks for the gun thread, Andy.

Posted by: semi occasional commenter at April 28, 2013 10:34 AM (yDWX4)

118 Tobacco, pray for me! In a few, I'll be headed to the Southern Women's Show at the fairgrounds with the wife. She's performing there with her dance group. Korie Robertson rom Duck Dynasty will be there too. I'll think I'll check that out.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 10:39 AM (doBIb)

119 I have a 39-2 that I use for carry in the desert part of the time. It is very used, very reliable and very accurate at combat range. I would put it in my top five or six guns.

Posted by: SurferDoc at April 28, 2013 10:42 AM (6H6FZ)

120 EC- I just received a jury summons. Told my son about it, who said one of his teachers just had to report in. One of the lawyers interviewing jurors asked my son's teacher, "Do you watch Duck Dynasty?" My son's teacher replied, "Yes."

He was dismissed as a juror.

??

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 10:45 AM (4Mv1T)

121 Sounds like a weed out for conservatives. I got a jury summons once many years ago. My out? I said I wasn't a US citizen. Heh! I was telling the truth at the time too, but they haven't bothered me since.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 10:49 AM (doBIb)

122 Son's school is a private Christian school, so I think you may be right.

I think my juror number is high enough that when I call in the day before, I hopefully won't be needed. I had a legitimate excuse the only other time I've been summoned, but now? Not so much. Guess I might get to see the stripped gears of our judicial system in action.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 10:52 AM (4Mv1T)

123 Raleigh Christian Academy?

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 10:54 AM (doBIb)

124 Grace Christian

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 10:55 AM (4Mv1T)

125 Ok I'm off to the show!

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2013 10:56 AM (doBIb)

126

If you are patient, careful, and lucky, you can occasionally find good deals on ammo on gunbrokerDOTcom.

Also, LuckyGunnerDOTcom is starting to get more in at decent prices.

Caveat: I'm a new Glock 22 owner, so I haven't been buying ammo for long. At this point, I'm not sure I know what a 'good' price is for ammo.

Posted by: Former Lurker at April 28, 2013 10:59 AM (Yoym7)

127 ...Caveat: I'ma new Glock 22 owner, so I haven't been buying ammo for long. At this point, I'm not sure I know what a 'good' price is for ammo.

Congrats on the new Glock. May it bring you years of enjoyment, and never be fired in self defense.

I don't shoot .40 but seems like .50 per rd is sort the mkt here in NC right now.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 11:04 AM (4Mv1T)

128 80 Comrade Arthur: Ballistics and kick are about the same. The Mosin-Nagant gets it kick rep from the M-38 and M-44 carbines. A short carbine chambered in a full length battle rifle cartridge is going to kick like hell if you aren't ready for it. Posted by: Kristop OF COURSE! There's a lot of the MN carbines out there and everybody just says, "It's a Moisin". Thanks.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 28, 2013 11:10 AM (vHxiM)

129

Thanks, Tobacco. That's the price range I'm trying to stick with, but haven't been terribly successful. I've been paying around .64/round locally when they have it at the gun shop I go to.

I'm really liking the Glock. I think I've shot a total of 250 rounds through it so far and am actually getting closer to the target.

Posted by: Former Lurker at April 28, 2013 11:21 AM (Yoym7)

130 F. Lurker- I try to look at ammo purchases the same way one invests in the stock market (if anyone still does that). Dollar cost averaging.

Some times I get a deal, sometimes I get "mkt" price, sometimes I pay a little more if i am trying to replace what I am shooting, and still keep an inventory to cover gaps in availability, or an absence altogether. *shudder*.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 11:26 AM (4Mv1T)

131 "S&W's first forays into semiautomatic pistols..."

Wait, are there pistols that aren't semi-automatic?

Posted by: Kevin at April 28, 2013 11:51 AM (gB7mv)

132 131 Kevin,

yes...the beretta 93 the Glock 19 there are machine pistols

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 28, 2013 12:02 PM (LRFds)

133 I find your remarks about the S&W 39 and 59 strange. I have several S&W Model 52's in 38 special that are truly wonderful guns. Flawless action and remarkably accurate. The 52 was basically an upgraded version of the 39. In fact the grip panels are interchangeable along with the safety. The later model stainless 9MM semi-autos from S&W are pretty bad in my opinion, I traded a terrible shooting 6906 for a Hi Standard Model A at my local gunshop. That was a score.

Posted by: JimK at April 28, 2013 12:08 PM (Pl2CA)

134 "122 I think my juror number is high enough that when I call in the day before, I hopefully won't be needed. I had a legitimate excuse the only other time I've been summoned, but now? Not so much. Guess I might get to see the stripped gears of our judicial system in action."

Everyone who can should perform jury duty at least once. Not only is it an education about the criminal/civil court process, but it's an absolute eye-opener as to what your "jury of your peers" are capable of pulling.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 28, 2013 12:18 PM (qvify)

135 Tobacco, thanks for the tips. My biggest 'problem' right now is that we're looking to buy a house and my wife gets a little upset when I buy ammo. I have about 150 rounds of hollow points, and now I'm down to 200 rounds of target rounds, so I need more. A lot more. I found 350 rounds on gunbroker for a good price, but had to stay up till 2:00 am Saturday to win the auction. Now, thanks to you guys and this thread, I have found a better price at Natchez. You live, you learn...

Posted by: Former Lurker at April 28, 2013 12:20 PM (Yoym7)

136 I can't answer the question about the Springfield. I was admiring this guy's Mosin at the range, which of course made all the other elephant guns sound like pee shooters. I asked about the recoil. He said, "I can't describe it. Just shoot it."

I think some more of my hair fell out from the shock wave.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 01:19 PM (4Mv1T)

I own both the 98/30 full-length rifle and the M44 carbine version of the Mosin-Nagant. I favor the carbine because it handles and shoots so well, and now that I've sighted it in, I can't miss with the thing. Recoil isn't bad with either if you're ready for it. Never shoot it loose and you'll be okay.

I've never understood those guys who feel the need to sporterize a Mosin-Nagant. It's been called ugly but I guess 'ugly' is subjective. I love the deep red-orange grain of the wooden stock, the steel buttplate, the weight and feel of it. I've been lucky, I guess, because the bolt action is smooth as butter on both the carbine and the rifle. I did a minor trigger job on the rifle but left the carbine alone. No, neither are match grade quality, but I would be comfortable hunting deer with them--or protecting my family with them, if it came to that.

Don't even get me started on my SKS.

Posted by: troyriser at April 28, 2013 01:20 PM (ptcFO)

137 I took Troy Risers advice and ordered replacement recoil and trigger springs for my P64s from Wolf. Looking forward to getting them before the next GunThread. That DA is simply ridiculous with the stock spring. I feel compelled to SA it currently, but the trigger is awkward for that.

Posted by: toby928Â© One comment, Vasili, one comment only please at April 28, 2013 02:20 PM (QupBk)

The mainspring (trigger spring) replacement is a simple process. Strongly recommend referencing the P-64 website for step-by-step instructions (google 'unofficial p-64 resource'). Saved me a lot of time and trouble.

After you replace the mainspring (trigger spring), get a Makarov snap cap dummy cartridge and dry fire the pistol approximately 300 times--do it while watching television or listening to music or some such thing. Then apply whatever oil or lube you feel is necessary. You'll be delighted with the result.

Posted by: troyriser at April 28, 2013 01:26 PM (ptcFO)

138 anyone here? I was out at the range with 2 brand new shooters. Good times were had by all

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 28, 2013 02:03 PM (zzeVM)

139 "I keep assuming that these prices won't remain this high, but I see absolutely no evidence that they are dropping.

I'm going to pull the trigger on a big purchase soon because I am getting more and more worried.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2013 01:38 PM (/WLC3)"

In one of those articles about why there is an ammunition shortage, the author mentioned that somebody (Federal?) is opening a new ammunition plant in Mississippi this summer. Their original plan was to consolidate all their production there but now they are going to keep all their plants, which are running three shifts 24/7, in operation as long as demand remains high. Depending on your paranoia level, you might want to put off a big purchase for a few months.

I don't know if that will be enough to bring supply and demand more into line but it is supposed to be a big plant. One of the things that has happened over the last few years thanks to the World's Best Gun Salesman is that a lot of people now own guns who did not own them before and they all want to shoot their new guns and have some ammunition around Just In Case.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at April 28, 2013 02:05 PM (31Nrp)

140 Just In Case. Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at April 28, 2013 06:05 PM (31Nrp) I think everyones 'inventory levels' went sky high. A local guy just sold 100,000 pistol primers from his stash. So he has at least 100k left I'm guessing most regular shopoters probably have 1k of various types of ammo about. even if it is 2 bricks of .22

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 28, 2013 02:09 PM (zzeVM)

141 Jake- Do tell.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 02:36 PM (4Mv1T)

142 The new shooters I mean.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 02:37 PM (4Mv1T)

143 I posted an inexpensive scope earlier today on armslist. Looks like I'll be trading for rifle ammo. Better than cash, I say.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 28, 2013 02:38 PM (4Mv1T)

144 Just In Case. Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at April 28, 2013 06:05 PM (31Nrp) Gun and ammo sales are, in my mind, a direct reflection of the uncertainty and disquiet felt by a large percentage of the populace at any given time--and not just by gun owners, mind you, but by Americans as a whole. This is what happens when the country goes from crisis to crisis and is torn by internal divisions, especially when those crises are exploited and those divisions are exacerbated by our own national government. I don't think our national government is paying attention. I'm thinking they're thinking they can say and do anything they like, force down our throats any legislation, no matter how unjust, ill-conceived, or unconstitutional. They're too insular, too detached and disconnected to appreciate how deeply divided we've become--or how volatile the situation is. At some point soon they're going to overreach in a major way, and there'll be hell to pay.

Posted by: troyriser at April 28, 2013 02:39 PM (ptcFO)

145 I remember as a young officer checking an M-60 on board a civilian flight to Bragg in the 90s. The poor little newbie behind the counter looked like she needed a change of underwear when I told her what was in the box.
Noob: "Um...I'd better call my manager..."
Manager (older, experienced): Is it locked?
Me: Yep.
Mgr: Ammo stored separately?
Me: Yep.
Mgr: Have a great flight, sir.

Posted by: Marcellus Wallace at April 28, 2013 02:44 PM (TgO0r)

146 Jake, Surprised you're here this early. Have you ever made it out to Boomershoot?

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 03:05 PM (Wl/Ht)

147 I've been lucky, I guess, because the bolt action is smooth as butter on both the carbine and the rifle.

Posted by: troyriser at April 28, 2013 05:20 PM (ptcFO)

---------------------------

You're not lucky. On all three of my Mosins, I can hold them at a 45-degree angle, flick the bolt open with one finger, watch the bolt slide all the way back like it's on greased Teflon rails, then close it with the bolt held lightly between thumb and forefinger. Mosins are silky.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 28, 2013 03:06 PM (celt+)

148 I've got a 1909 Argentine Mauser that's like that. Action smooth as buttah...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 28, 2013 03:20 PM (TgO0r)

149 As far as ammunition prices go, while a lot of it is driven by supply and demand, keep in mind that the dollar is being steadily devalued by the Fed's QE policy. I think that has to be a factor.

Posted by: rickl at April 28, 2013 04:19 PM (sdi6R)

150 Surprised you're here this early. Have you ever made it out to Boomershoot? Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 07:05 PM (Wl/Ht) that a .50BMG shoot? not a machine gun shoot right? Ihter is a boomer shoot in N. ID have not checked it out yet....

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 28, 2013 04:57 PM (zzeVM)

151 new shooters were champs never tried to point a gun at me..... a couple good shoters. I think they will be shooting IDPA or USPSA in 6 months or so...

Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 28, 2013 05:00 PM (zzeVM)

152 Oh, good grief. From the New York Times: http://tinyurl.com/bl7synk Discussion here: http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2013/04/very_strange_ny.php

Posted by: rickl at April 28, 2013 05:08 PM (sdi6R)

153 that a .50BMG shoot? not a machine gun shoot right? Ihter is a boomer shoot in N. ID have not checked it out yet... Posted by: Jake in Idaho at April 28, 2013 08:57 PM (zzeVM) Yeah, not a machine gun shoot. Run by Joe Huffman, who has a pretty good blog. (not sure about linking a blog at the HQ ettiquette.)

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 05:20 PM (Wl/Ht)

154 Mr. Barky, I have had about a year of experience with the SIRT, and I think it helps with trigger squeeze and to a lesser extent with grip and stance. Cheapest practice available, since I haven't had to replace the battery.

Posted by: Buck Ofama at April 28, 2013 05:25 PM (iW9ax)

155 "I turned the weapon onto its side, pointed it toward the door. The barrel, however, slipped when I shifted my grip to pull the hammer back, to make certain the chamber was empty, and turned the gun toward the driverÂ’s seat. When I let the hammer fall, the cylinder must have rotated without my knowing. When I pulled the hammer back a second time it fired a live round." Well, the evil NRA's Eddie Eagle program could have helped ya bub. Or common sense.

Posted by: RWC at April 28, 2013 05:31 PM (Wl/Ht)

156 Got yer GotW right here, but mine's a long-barreled version, polished and blued. Pretty accurate pistol, but can be tricky to keep it feeding reliably, I had to change the recoil spring out.

Posted by: Socratease at April 28, 2013 07:03 PM (AgrAs)

157

Thanks Buck.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at April 28, 2013 09:38 PM (SBNUw)

158 Anybody else here shoot the Tokarev? Got a theory I want to doublecheck. Took delivery, well used but clean, even a bright barrel. Yugoslav M57 variant. Features include a magazine disconnect.

Take it to the range with some Winchester ball ammo. Lock and load. First round right to point of aim.

Second round. Click. Hammer falls. No FABOOM.

Keep weapon pointed downrange. Take finger off trigger. Check to see if magazine improperly seated. Slap magazine to make sure firmly in place.

FABOOM.

This becomes a pattern. One round, pull the funny trigger thing. FABOOM. Next round, no shot, slap base of magazine. FABOOM. Got to where I was getting decent groups with the slap, but not exactly optimum technique. Same thing with multiple magazines. Both Winchester and PP ammo.

I suspect it's a worn or sticking magazine disconnect. Is that a valid line of investigation? Can the disconnect be removed or pinned back as folks do with Browning HP's? Piece still has a thumb safety and I usually carry hammer down on an empty anyway.

BTW, that first shot? If anyone ever attacks me with a piece of acoustic tiling I now know I own his ass, because the 7.62 x 25mm does a damn-damn on that stuff.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 28, 2013 10:41 PM (qvify)

159

"Anybody else here shoot the Tokarev? Got a theory I want to doublecheck. Took delivery, well used but clean, even a bright barrel. Yugoslav M57 variant. Features include a magazine disconnect...

...Keep weapon pointed downrange. Take finger off trigger. Check to see if magazine improperly seated. Slap magazine to make sure firmly in place.

FABOOM"

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 29, 2013 02:41 AM (qvify)

Richard, I own an M57 Yugo Tokarev, and--after thousands of rounds--have never encountered any problems with it whatsoever. While I can't say with certainty what your problem is, I do know this: DO NOT CONTINUE TO FIRE THAT PISTOL. Achieving ignition by slapping the magazine (with your finger off the trigger), while novel, also sounds incredibly dangerous.

I own two Tokarev pistols, one Yugo M57 and one Polish Radom TTC, both costing a little over $200. Both are great shooters, unfailingly reliable. You, on the other hand, have a rare clunker. Don't screw around. Engaging the services of a reputable gunsmith would cost more than the pistol is worth. My advice? Buy another and use your current piece for for parts.

Posted by: troyriser at April 29, 2013 06:39 AM (vtiE6)

160 One last thing about your M57, Richard. Did you clean off the cosmoline? Every combloc rifle and pistol I own required complete disassembly and thorough cleaning prior to use. Some new SKS shooters complain that they get sticky bolt action, which is caused by failure to clean off the cosmoline completely. Maybe, just maybe your problem is similar.

Posted by: troyriser at April 29, 2013 06:45 AM (vtiE6)

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