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May 19, 2013

Gun Thread (5-19-2013)
— andy

Feel Good Story of the Day

When you rob a house, you might want to know what's in the closet you're locking the homeowner in. Especially in Texas, where there just might be a gun or two.

The wounded man, believed to be in his 20s, was heard crying out in pain as he lay bleeding on the pavement.

Ahh, that line brings a smile to my face every time I read this story.

DC Sued Over David Gregory ~~Investigation~~ Whitewash

Good on Professor Jacobson.

Judicial Watch, a leading government open records organization, announced today that it has filed suit on behalf of Legal Insurrection to obtain documents regarding David GregoryÂ’s violation of the District of Columbia gun laws and the investigation which led to the decision of the District of Columbia Attorney General not to prosecute

Gun Of The Week

(answer below)

Marksmanship Award

Hero of the Day - FL: Man who shot man in self defense: "I'd do it again if I had to" - abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/regioÂ… #NRA (via @abcactionnews)
— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) May 17, 2013

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Model 1903 Springfield, which was one of the U.S.'s many excellent service arms that made use of the .30-'06 Springfield cartridge.

Homicide Rates Before Guns

I ran across this interesting blog post on ancient homicide rates yesterday.

Though they note the difficulty of finding reliable historical records, it appears to provide support for the "God created man, Col. Colt made 'em equal" view of the world.

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1 That's an assault rifle.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 05:59 AM (O6Tmi)

2 It has numerous assault parts.

Posted by: MAJO at May 19, 2013 06:00 AM (TwbSE)

3 The wounded man, believed to be in his 20s, was heard crying out in pain as he lay bleeding on the pavement.

Everyone loves a happy ending.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at May 19, 2013 06:01 AM (hO8IJ)

4 LOL, recognized that one immediately. I used to have one and I wish I still did. That was the most accurate gun I have ever owned.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 06:02 AM (53z96)

5 LOL, recognized that one immediately. I used to have one and I wish I still did. That was the most accurate gun I have ever owned. Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 10:02 AM (53z96) I watched the DVR'd NCIS last night. Gibbs was carrying one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 19, 2013 06:04 AM (XIxXP)

6 The Germans had the best 'hunting' rifle, the Americans had the best 'target' rifle, and the Brits had the best 'battle' rifle, in that war.

Posted by: trainer says LIB at May 19, 2013 06:05 AM (eVgJn)

7 The wounded man, believed to be in his 20s, was heard crying out in pain as he lay bleeding on the pavement. He should have ground swatted him. Dead men don't cry.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 19, 2013 06:05 AM (XIxXP)

8 It would appear that I did not in fact win the power ball jackpot. So I will be required to be present at my place of employment tomorrow. Planting corn this morning, beautiful day here in NH

Posted by: NativeNH at May 19, 2013 06:07 AM (UjxI7)

9 The crossbow and gun eliminated the mounted knights as the rulers of combat and thus helped to eliminate the aristocracy that ruled Europe since that outfit was so expensive.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 06:07 AM (53z96)

10 I like the looks of that Springfield.

Posted by: mare at May 19, 2013 06:07 AM (A98Xu)

11 I just checked gunbroker.com for availability of an 03-A3 Springfield. They have only one that hasn't been butchered. They are asking $1200 for it. Back when I had mine you could get them ranging from $150 to $300 depending on condition.

Another reason I should have kept that thing.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 06:11 AM (53z96)

12 Since David Gregory is mentioned above, I'll use him in here. He asks Rumsfeld: "In this case, shouldn't you look on this with a more sympathetic eye?" He is referring to IRS-gate, etc., in comparison to Watergate, Abu Ghraib, etc. Rumsfeld avoids the question and says something intelligent. But he coulda said, "Why? Because he's a Democrat? Because he is our awesomest first black historical preznit? Why, David?"

Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 19, 2013 06:14 AM (PH+2B)

13 Mauser sued the US over infringement in regards to the 1903. Claiming it's bolt design was based on the Mauser KAR-98 design. US court found in favor of Mauser.

Also early Springfield made 1903s with the straight down-angle bolt handle should not be fired because the metal might be brittle due to improper heat treatment.

Above picture is of a 1903A3. Lack of ladder sight in front of chamber and the angle of the bolt handle is slightly swept back point to this. So this one could be Remington or Smith Corona made.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 06:14 AM (zxYv0)

14 I'm sure many of you have seen this already, but last week NY State Police made their first arrest of someone for having more than 7 bullets in a magazine:

http://tinyurl.com/czxnm8c

Quite the criminal, no?

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2013 06:14 AM (cHZB7)

An important safety notice for Horde People who like to go boating.

This week is "National Safe Boating Week." Because of the rampant incompetence of many Morons losing their shooty stuff due to "boating accidents", this is a perfect time to think about your actions on the water.

Please, to prevent the loss of your shooty stuff be sure to attach them to something that floats.

Like a child, or big dog, or even your spouse or a friend.

Posted by: ExSnipe at May 19, 2013 06:16 AM (PBm/l)

16 Nice to see the Right taking the war to the courts. Hopefully this signals an increase in the tactic the left has been abusing for a very long time.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 06:17 AM (NcPjb)

17 Posted by: trainer says LIB at May 19, 2013 10:05 AM (eVgJn)

I've got a Lee-Enfield in my safe, but have only fired it a few times. I don't even remember which model it is.

It shoots nicely, and I recall that it was reasonably accurate, but why do you say it was the best battle rifle? Capacity? Rate of fire?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:17 AM (O6Tmi)

18 Another reason I should have kept that thing. Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 10:11 AM **** Keep an eye on this site if you want a super 03-A3. I have one of his Garands. Perfect. http://dgrguns.com/0-main-page-firearms-for-sale.htm

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at May 19, 2013 06:17 AM (MhA4j)

I'd love to buy a nice '03-A3, but every time I buy a gun, I end up losing it in yet another boating accident.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 19, 2013 06:17 AM (vvk2F)

20 What has two thumbs and joined the AR-15 club this week?

*This guy*.

S'n'W MP15 Sport. $729. Could've got it last summer for $650, but I said, "Eh, I'll wait until Christmas." What an awesome plan THAT turned out to be. Had I bought it then, not only would I have saved money, but it still would have had the 5R-rifled barrel (they switched to a cheaper 1-in-9" late last year). And I would have grabbed one of the 500 round ammo cans of 5.56mm for $179 that was stacked on the floor while I was at it. Argh. At least I had ordered a half-dozen Pmags on sale.

Spilled milk. The important thing is I've got an AR in the safe, finally. Future plan is to replace the upper with a BCM mid-length, then replace the barrel on the stock upper with a .300 Blackout. Just because. I also need to replace the uncomfortable-ass pistol grip with a Magpul (in Foliage, because I like my AR furniture like I like my kitchen appliances- in Avocado Green.)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 06:18 AM (celt+)

21 Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2013 10:14 AM (cHZB7)

So much for the pipe-dream that rural cops won't enforce these laws.

The cops are, by and large, part of the burgeoning fascism that we are enjoying in this country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:19 AM (O6Tmi)

OT, but Holy Mother of Pearl, that guy on the right in the Google Tax Scam photo in the Headlines could sure give John Elway a run for his money in a Horseface Competition.

Somewhat related: God help us if Pat Benatar and Tom Petty had ever married and produced spawn. Could probably slay the Philistines again with the mandibles on those kids.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 19, 2013 06:19 AM (8+xjO)

23 Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at May 19, 2013 10:17 AM (MhA4j)

LOL, I see he had an 03-A3 and it sold for over $1500.

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2013 06:20 AM (53z96)

24 .30-06. Yeah. I've got one, but it's not an antique. When my dad wanted me to hunt with his old 30-30 he went and bought himself a new deer rifle. So he bought a BSA (British, Birmingham Small Arms) bolt action .30-06. The damn thing has its barrel slotted out near the muzzle, the slots angled so as to produce a little forward punch when fired, to reduce kickback. Shooting right-handed, my left ear is forward, and that is how I lost some of the hearing in it, firing that thing without ear protection. Shit, who goes deer hunting with earplugs?

Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 19, 2013 06:21 AM (PH+2B)

25 this web site took well over five seconds to load, I want a cheeseburger for my trouble.

Posted by: Megs McCain, junior goddess in training at May 19, 2013 06:22 AM (PnJ88)

26 I've got a Number 4 Enfield (the WWII one.) Definitely the best bolt-action combat rifle. Big open rear aperature sight, long sight radius, ten-round mag, fast bolt action with the handle right by your hand. It's a fightin' son-of-a-bitch.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 06:23 AM (celt+)

27 Well so much for expanding the homse defense arsenal with things like a 20mm rifle... no win the Powerball last night.

Seems a single ticket in the Tampa, FL area won. So which Moron lives down there?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 06:23 AM (zxYv0)

28
I have that rifle. Handed down. Grandpa to Dad to me. Err...there was that boating accident though. I hope its safe.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 19, 2013 06:24 AM (jKWYf)

29 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 10:18 AM (celt+)

Not an awful price.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:24 AM (O6Tmi)

30 Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2013 10:14 AM (cHZB7) There was an arrest in January as well - although no cartridges involved. Just empty scary Scary SCARY 30 round mags.

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:24 AM (Wl/Ht)

The Longbow crossbow and gun eliminated the mounted knights as the rulers of combat and thus helped to eliminate the aristocracy that ruled Europe since that outfit was so expensive.

Fixed

Posted by: Sharkman at May 19, 2013 06:27 AM (8+xjO)

32 Meh. I've decided not to worry about these so-called draconian gun grabs. Rather than write a bunch of letters and march in rainy protests, I've decided to change my name to David "Jay Z" Gregory. Problem solved. And meet my wife, Solyndra.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at May 19, 2013 06:29 AM (OFLpd)

33 Local Cabelas has a few sub-$1000 '03s. Minor parts mismatches keeping the price down. Still lovely.

I'm currently tempted by a Type 38 Arisaka on the rack. About 80% condition, ground mum, not a last ditch, $225. Excellent rifle, and I lack anything Japanese in my small boltie collection. Friday I'm looking into an intact-mum 38 at a more distant toy store for $350. If that doesn't pan out, I may grab the ugly duckling.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 06:30 AM (celt+)

34 He is referring to IRS-gate, etc., in comparison to Watergate, Abu Ghraib, etc. I'm blown away by this. Let's say Bush is guilty of whatever the fuck you accuse him of. You name it. The worst thing you can think of. Does that mean it's ok to keep doing it? Christ, it took awhile for my youngest child, but he finally got it this important life lesson sometime around nine years old.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 06:31 AM (NcPjb)

35 Had an '03 Springfield once. That thing abused my shoulder worse than any rifle I've ever shot. I find my (at least as powerful) Mosins to be very pleasant to shoot, and my Finn models have nice slick actions and are stoopid accurate. I dno't know why the Springfield left my shoulder looking like a mutant eggplant, but my .300 Win Mag Sako is a pleasure in comparison. Must be the stock geometry thing.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 19, 2013 06:31 AM (PwV7G)

36 Bolt-action rifles were designed for right-handers, evidently. Is there any such thing as a left-handed one?

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 06:31 AM (sdi6R)

37 For those on a budget, there is always the homemade (except for barrel apparently) .700 WTF rifle firing 1132 grain bits of happiness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFYXTH7Gdhk I freaking love their choice of background music for that - 'Sugar Sugar.'

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:32 AM (Wl/Ht)

38 I used to spin and throw that Springfield around when I was in Pershing Rifles. We left the barrel in and didn't hollow out the stock like other teams did. That extra weight made it easier to handle I think. A nice rifle.

Posted by: EC at May 19, 2013 06:34 AM (doBIb)

39 I freaking love their choice of background music for that - 'Sugar Sugar.' Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 10:32 AM (Wl/Ht) Don't let Prothonotary Warbler hear you say that.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 06:35 AM (sdi6R)

40 Not an awful price.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

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Yeah, at this point, I'm not going to dick around until another Newtown happens. And I bought it with my Cabelas card, so I'll get $14 in cash-back, making it $715. Besides, it was my vasectomy present to myself. When antis say that guns are for guys who are "compensating" for something, in this case, they're right.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 06:35 AM (celt+)

Fucking useless formatting.

Okay, people, how does one make all the icons top of the comment box? Left clicking does nothing as the arrow just hovers over them, like Michele's cooch over Barky's face once per year at Eid al-Fitr, and right clicking gives me options like "copy picture", etc.

And copy first to Notepad doesn't work for eliminating the pesky problem of carriage returns and spaces between letters in words disappearing, as does doing the same with Wordpad, which of course didn't save the strikeout I just tried to do above.

Grrrrrrrrr.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 19, 2013 06:36 AM (8+xjO)

42 Taro, get the one with the chrysanthemum intact. Means it probably was captured in combat.

More obscure WWII trivia. When Emperor Hirohito surrendered and before all weapons were turned over to US forces, the Imperial crest was ordered removed from all arms. So the 16 petal chrysanthemum was ground off.

Have you seen this Taro?
http://fingolfen.blogspot.com/2009/01/last-ditch-arisaka.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 06:36 AM (zxYv0)

43 Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 10:35 AM (sdi6R) Bad memories of an earworm?

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:37 AM (Wl/Ht)

44 Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 10:31 AM (sdi6R)

AFAIK, all military bolt actions were right-handed, but most major gun manufacturers make left-handed bolt action hunting rifles.

And some of the modern battle rifles have ambidextrous controls and bolts, so they eject to either side!

I have a Remington 700 LH in 30-06.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:37 AM (O6Tmi)

45 Bolt-action rifles were designed for right-handers, evidently. Is there any such thing as a left-handed one? Posted by: rickl

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Oh, sure. Not for the military, but mass-market sporting rifles almost always have leftie versions, I believe. 20% of the market is too big to ignore.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 06:38 AM (celt+)

46 Posted by: Sharkman at May 19, 2013 10:36 AM (8+xjO)

The formatting icons don't work, but you can edit the HTML using the button on the far right "<>"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:39 AM (O6Tmi)

47 To assess the greatest battle rifle you've got to assess it's use in combat real situations. The most major war in living memory is World War 2. The first significant defeat suffered by German land forces was inflicted by soldiers using the No1 Mk 3 SMLE. It was at a place called Tobruk. The first significant defeat suffered by Japanese land forces was inflicted by soldiers using the No1 Mk 3 SMLE. It was a place called Imita Ridge. In both case the rifles used were made at Lithgow. .303 - for when you absolutely have to put the son of a bitch down! Also...the action is so smooth and fast that the German's thought all the Brits had machineguns.

Posted by: trainer says LIB at May 19, 2013 06:39 AM (eVgJn)

48 Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2013 10:14 AM (cHZB7) I'm conflicted on that story. Not over whether or not he should have been charged, that's a no-brainer...the charge that is. It's fucked up. I'm conflicted over the issue of gun confiscation. What's going to happen when it happens to you? Because that's just one of the shitty little petty ways it's going to happen. Bit by bit. Are you going to start shooting cops? Because obviously they're going to do what they're told.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 06:39 AM (NcPjb)

49 36 Bolt-action rifles were designed for right-handers, evidently. Is there any such thing as a left-handed one? Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 10:31 AM (sdi6R) Do you mean historical bolt-actions? There are a lot of modern day choices.

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:40 AM (Wl/Ht)

50 A question Since most 'assault rifles' are black....wouldn't banning them be racist?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 19, 2013 06:42 AM (OpRai)

51 Taro, get the one with the chrysanthemum intact. Means it probably was captured in combat.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 10:36 AM (zxYv0)

Just pulled mine out of the safe...the chrysanthemum was ground off the top of the receiver!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:42 AM (O6Tmi)

52 The Pacific footnote about the Mk 3 SMLE is a bit tarnished by the fact how quickly Singapore fell.

Its not the smoothness of the action per se that caused the Germans to think the British had machine guns. It was the training of the British soldier that allowed such rapid and accurate fire. WWII followed the WWI pattern of the trained professionals being brutally winnowed out in the early days so such events later in the war did not happen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 06:44 AM (zxYv0)

53 Another question On my better half's and my cars' rear window are two decals 1. NRA certified instructor 2. NRA lifetime member Does this make me a DIABLO?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 19, 2013 06:46 AM (u0HjB)

54 50 A question Since most 'assault rifles' are black....wouldn't banning them be racist? Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 19, 2013 10:42 AM (OpRai) But of course- http://tinyurl.com/bxcgwqu Not sure if he offers that on a t-shirt yet.

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:46 AM (Wl/Ht)

55 Have you seen this Taro?
http://fingolfen.blogspot.com/2009/01/last-ditch-arisaka.html
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)

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Very interesting! Thank you. It's now bookmarked.

This same Cabelas usually has several Type 99s on the rack. There's three there now, no monopods or AA sights but the barrel bands have the monopod mounts. I'm more interested in the prettier Type 38 and its 6.5mm cartridge.

I don't know why this store consistently has Jap rifles. Maybe they're coming in from China?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 06:46 AM (celt+)

56 Just pulled mine out of the safe...the chrysanthemum was ground off the top of the receiver! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 10:42 AM (O6Tmi) Ouch.

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:48 AM (Wl/Ht)

57 Ouch.

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 10:48 AM (Wl/Ht)

It was a gift from a friend. I'm sure it wasn't expensive, and hell, it's fun having it even if it's not valuable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:52 AM (O6Tmi)

58 How do you make the antis sad sad pandas? Show them this- http://tinyurl.com/a6cb4b9 (that's from motherjones. I don't think they and I have the same reaction when viewing it.)

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:52 AM (Wl/Ht)

59 Another fun fact about Japanese numbering systems. Japan would classify a weapon based on the last two digits of which year it was selected. But the devil in the details is they switched in the 1930s I think from Imperial years to using the Western calendar.

Taro sounds like you getting the itch to collect them all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 06:52 AM (zxYv0)

60 You know, with all the boating accidents we all have the coast guard should be kicking our doors down soon

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 19, 2013 06:53 AM (u0HjB)

61 Actually, it's an M1903-A3, the WWII version simplified for cheaper, faster production. In ROTC in the '70s, we were issued a bunch of these with the chambers welded up as practice rifles.

There are a lot of people shooting vintage military rifle matches, and along with the Lee-Enfield #1 and #4, the O3-A3 is extremely popular for that discipline.

Posted by: Chris Morton at May 19, 2013 06:53 AM (uoVFE)

62 Sorry to hear that your Arisaka had a sad encounter with a grinding wheel there CBD. Do you even shoot it?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 06:54 AM (zxYv0)

63 43 Bad memories of an earworm? Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 10:37 AM (Wl/Ht) Towards the end of Friday's Worst Songs thread.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 06:55 AM (sdi6R)

64 62. Charlie Brown's Dildo and the word 'shoots' together in one sentence I love this blog

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 19, 2013 06:56 AM (u0HjB)

65 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 10:52 AM (O6Tmi) True that. And even with it removed, still a nice piece of history- "After a period of time it was announced ... that Japanese rifles were going to be distributed to anyone who wanted one for their collection. I remember seeing Japanese civilians using triangular shaped files to file a mark cross- wise to the barrel and defacing the Cherry Blossom symbol. We were told that this was the only way that the Japanese had agreed to surrender the rifles to the United States and then to be used as souvenirs of war. I was told that they believed this disfiguring of the symbol would destroy any special religious or power specially provided by the Gods of War. Every rifle which was disbursed aboard the carrier had to be defaced in this manner. The bayonets which went with the rifles had a mark on them also, but I believe this mark was merely the armament mark signifying where the bayonet was made, but these marks were not disfigured. There were many rifles taken aboard the carrier and distributed to the crew. I could not make any estimate as to how many were distributed, but do remember many small boat loads of them coming to the Carrier. The rifles were taken from wooden crates, marked by the files, then put back into the crates and taken to the carrier in this same crate. I would estimate this happened in late October or early November of 1945."

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 06:57 AM (Wl/Ht)

52 Anna Puma,

Sometimes the British and Americans would have shooting contests with them using their 10 shot bolt actions against the Americans using the 8 shot Garands.

My father saw one contest like that when we were stationed in Tripoli, Libya in the late 50's. The British could get off all 10 shots before the Americans could do the same with the Garands. Although I don't know how accurate they were.

Posted by: ExSnipe at May 19, 2013 06:59 AM (PBm/l)

67 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 10:54 AM (zxYv0)

Once or twice a long time ago.

It was a gift, and I like having it around, regardless of its value.

One interesting thing....it is quite light. Much lighter than the No.4MKI (I just opened my safe and have pulled all the long guns out. I feel like a kid with his toys!)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 06:59 AM (O6Tmi)

68 Carried the '03A3 on drill teams in high school and college. For close order drill and exhibition drill, it was a fine, fine piece.

The CMP used to sell some, and I think they may still have a few.

Posted by: xbradtc at May 19, 2013 07:02 AM (N6KNa)

69 "...this disfiguring of the symbol would destroy any special religious or power specially provided by the Gods of War."

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 10:57 AM (Wl/Ht)

I think that the United States Marine Corps and the United States Navy did a better job!

[Interesting excerpt by the way...where is it from?]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 07:03 AM (O6Tmi)

70 (I just opened my safe and have pulled all the long guns out. I feel like a kid with his toys!) I do this periodically. Used to have the longs guns locked in a rack in the den, till a few years ago when one of the kid's friends went home and told his mom, "HEY, I got to touch one of Mr. Road's guns." Put the kibosh on that pretty quickly.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 19, 2013 07:03 AM (4Mv1T)

71 Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 10:39 AM (NcPjb)

My takeaways on this story are this:

A law abiding citizen, following the onerous gun ownership rules of NY State, was turned into a criminal overnight when his legally purchased product was found in his possession fully loaded.

He will most likely 1. lose that gun. 2. Have a record. 3. Lose his right to possess a firearm in the state of NY as his permit will be revoked. 4. Be placed on probation and socked with thousands in fees, fines, etc. plus the cost of a lawyer.

Jon Corzine stole a billion dollars from his customers and is still free as a bird and facing no criminal charges.

TFG admitted in writing that he used cocaine, which means he had to possess it to use it, therefore he is an admitted felon and he is the Preznit of this United States.

One of these 3 cases is NOT like the others. Pick one.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2013 07:04 AM (cHZB7)

72 The 16 petal chrysanthemum was the reign symbol of Emperor Hirohito. Hirohito remember was a direct descendant of the sun goddess Amataresu. So that emblem was holy to the Japanese and no way were they going to surrender arms with that symbol intact.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 07:08 AM (zxYv0)

73 59 Another fun fact about Japanese numbering systems. Japan would classify a weapon based on the last two digits of which year it was selected. But the devil in the details is they switched in the 1930s I think from Imperial years to using the Western calendar.

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Close. The Type 38 was adopted in the 38th year of the Emperor Meiji's reign. With Hirohito's reign the nomenclature was changed, so the Type 99 was adopted in the Japanese calendar year 2599.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 07:09 AM (celt+)

74 [Interesting excerpt by the way...where is it from?] Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2013 11:03 AM (O6Tmi) The Military Rifle Journal - February 2001 ''The Missing Mum Mystery.' http://tinyurl.com/b9n5krx

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 07:09 AM (Wl/Ht)

75 When the Rule of Law goes out the window, all bets are off. This is how a great civilization collapses into a Third World hellhole of roving gangs and warlords.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 07:09 AM (sdi6R)

76 Thanks for the correction Taro, was rambling from memory.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 07:10 AM (zxYv0)

During Navy boot camp we all carried one of those. It was non-firing. I think the barrel was plugged.

We were required to refer to the rifle as a "piece", and the gun rack was called "the whorehouse." This was in 1974, years before the Navy and everyone else went PC.

Posted by: ExSnipe at May 19, 2013 07:11 AM (PBm/l)

78 Well, looks like I may have a slim window of opportunity to get the lawn mowed before it starts raining again and the grass reaches the second floor.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 07:12 AM (sdi6R)

Mornin', y'all.

I am sad to report that I did not win last night's Powerball lottery. But I sure hope it's someone I know.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 19, 2013 07:12 AM (+z4pE)

80 "Its not the smoothness of the action per se that caused the Germans to think the British had machine guns. It was the training of the British soldier that allowed such rapid and accurate fire." That was true even back when the British infantryman wore red coats. The Brit soldier could lay down fire at a comparatively withering rate with his Brown Bess musket. 5 rounds in one minute was pretty usual for seasoned troops. They practiced with live ammo while most other armies of Europe would repeat the dumb drill. The English infantry tended to not launch their ramrods at the enemy with their first shot in their first battle.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 19, 2013 07:13 AM (PwV7G)

81 Backwards Boy, the winning ticket was sold in the Tampa, FL area. Someone check the EMT records.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 07:13 AM (zxYv0)

82 76 Thanks for the correction Taro, was rambling from memory.

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I had to look up the details, I always get it confused.

It's still simpler than the British Board of Ordnance with their "Marks" and freakin' asterisks.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 07:15 AM (celt+)

Backwards Boy, the winning ticket was sold in the Tampa, FL area. Someone check the EMT records.

Hmm, I have a couple of friends over in Bradenton, but I haven't heard any yelling, which, I think I'd hear.

Hell, if I won that much money, the entire state could hear me hollering. That'd solve every problem I have.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 19, 2013 07:17 AM (+z4pE)

84 Backwards Boy, the winning ticket was sold in the Tampa, FL area. Someone check the EMT records. Someone check to see if we've got a hefty windfall tax on the books yet.

Posted by: Florida Legislators at May 19, 2013 07:18 AM (FcR7P)

85 2599! Crap---I'm still signing my cheques 2598!
;^)

Posted by: andycanuck at May 19, 2013 07:18 AM (mGBy8)

86 If I was a Japanese infantryman during WWII and observed the firearms I'd be issued I'd be stamping chrysamthemum's all over the damn things. Hmm, Luger P08', Springfield 1911, Browning Hi-Power, etc... Here you go, here is your Nambu Type 14. くそ！

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 07:19 AM (Wl/Ht)

87 The winning ticket was sold at a Publix in Zephyrhills, FL. And the jackpot was not $600 million, it was only $590.5 million. Yeah as if I would quibble over 9.5 million.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2013 07:20 AM (zxYv0)

88 No rifle for me this week - I went the other direction. Picked up my shiny new Sig P224 .40. First all-metal subcompact from Sig, 10-round magazines, and the higher capacity mags from my P226 also fit. The gun was tight out of the box. Lubed it up and put 100 rounds through it. Accurate as hell and surprisingly little kick for a small .40. Only problem - one of the supplied magazines failed to feed the last round every time. Since it was only one magazine and repeated every time I think it's pretty much a weak spring in the magazine. Other than that, I'm happy with my first subcompact!

Posted by: pilot141 at May 19, 2013 07:22 AM (oA9Uy)

89 Lady played 800 dollars worth of tickets last night, and left the 7-11 without them. I'm sure she'll be back for them if not already picked up. (she paid in full already, so if there are any absent employees there today it might be a bit suspect :-). )

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 07:22 AM (Wl/Ht)

Zephyrhills, eh? At least someone can buy a new trailer.

I played a few gigs over there. That place is one giant trailer park, NTTAWWT, since I've lived in one before. Never could find the "city" part, tho'.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 19, 2013 07:23 AM (+z4pE)

91 If the powerball winner takes a lump sum, after taxes, they'll take home roughly a third of the published winning amount.

Posted by: xbradtc at May 19, 2013 07:24 AM (N6KNa)

92 85 2599! Crap---I'm still signing my cheques 2598! ;^) Posted by: andycanuck at May 19, 2013 11:18 AM (mGBy

That's ok. What's going to be a pain is getting used to TFG's 'Year Zero' plan.

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 07:25 AM (Wl/Ht)

93 The winning ticket was sold at a Publix in Zephyrhills, FL. Anyone else think "syphilis" when reading Zephyrhills? It used to bug the shit out of me when I first started traveling to SW Florida for work because that's the name of one of the bottled water companies down there, and I'd see bottles of Syphilis nearly everywhere I went.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 19, 2013 07:28 AM (V3kRK)

94 I've got '03 slings on all my Mossberg 22's. At least the ones that weren't lost in that infamous boating incident.

Posted by: JimK at May 19, 2013 07:28 AM (uChvg)

At least all is not lost: my guitar playing buddy who was once a Dim is starting to see the light. As mentioned in the ONT last nite, he admitted to regretting his '08 vote for TFG and didn't vote for him this last time.

I've been slowing working on him. Good to see some of it taking hold. This IRS thingy has him concerned.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 19, 2013 07:39 AM (+z4pE)

96 I'd see bottles of Syphilis nearly everywhere I went.
I make it up in volume.

Posted by: sandy fluke at May 19, 2013 07:42 AM (mGBy8)

97 The English infantry tended to not launch their ramrods at the enemy with their first shot in their first battle. Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 19, 2013 11:13 AM (PwV7G) this would present some sort of a problem I believe for the follow up shot

Posted by: Jake in ID at May 19, 2013 07:45 AM (zzeVM)

98 Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 19, 2013 11:28 AM (V3kRK) Accessorize accessorize accessorize! http://tinyurl.com/ar3fwy7

Posted by: RWC at May 19, 2013 07:49 AM (Wl/Ht)

99 hi all
well, study looks a lot cleaner now, it just revealed more things for me to do on Monday

oblig. gun:
http://tinyurl.com/b8mhnpl

Posted by: chemjeff at May 19, 2013 07:54 AM (BBWjt)

100 Custom Colt Series 70: flat back strap, memory up-swept grip safety, action job, bead blasted no glare slide and Novak sights, 7791193 barrel and NM bushing, Hogue grips, and it goes pop-pop-poppity-pop all day long.

Posted by: SurferDoc at May 19, 2013 08:19 AM (6H6FZ)

101 Want serious shoulder abuse? Buy an Enfield jungle carbine.

Posted by: tahDeetz at May 19, 2013 08:42 AM (2xYnP)

102 Back in from the lawn. Hey! I have trees in my yard! Who knew?

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2013 09:02 AM (sdi6R)

103 Many moons ago when I was right guide for the 16-man U. of MO Tiger Battery exhibition drill team we used '03s. They were a better choice than Garands, IMO, because they were well balanced and easier to throw around. I only remember us actually breaking one in two years of tossing and spinning them around like batons.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2013 09:12 AM (gFOJy)

104 An interesting factoid is that the rifles supplied by the British to the Arabs associated with T.E.Lawrence were Japanese Type 38 Arisakas that were surplus from the Russo-Japanese War. The Brits were doing their best to keep all the cannon fodder in Belgium supplied with Lee-Enfields, there did not seem to be any need for rifle or ammunition commonality with the Arabs and the Japanese had plenty of rifles and ammunition that they were willing to sell. I don't know if they removed the Emperor's chrysanthemum before shipping the rifles.

Another Arisaka factoid is that an officer in the Tsarist army who was trying to develop a semiautomatic rifle found the Russian 7.62X54R cartridge was so powerful that it was difficult to keep the parts from breaking. However, being on the receiving end of 6.5X50 cartridge from Type 38 rifles, he found them effective and so designed a WW I era Russian semiautomatic rifle chambered for the Japanese cartridge.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at May 19, 2013 09:19 AM (31Nrp)

105 For the record, the gun of the day is a 1903A3.

And yes, it makes a difference.

Posted by: Bob Owens at May 19, 2013 09:25 AM (0XY0O)

106 101 Want serious shoulder abuse? Buy an Enfield jungle carbine. Posted by: tahDeetz

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People always blame the light weight and small, hard buttplate. Nobody ever mentions the flash hider shaped like a friggin' rocket exhaust cone. When you fire a round it literally launches the rifle into your shoulder like a mini Saturn V.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 19, 2013 09:27 AM (celt+)

107 The Arisaka (Japanese battle rifle) had the strongest action of any in the war (it was tested afterwards with heavy loads that destroyed all the other rifles in the test, and the action was unharmed. The barrels...not so much...)

I got my Appleseed gun last week, a Marlin 795. I got the TechSights for it and they have been installed. I need a real sling for it (to replace the WalMart sling) and a couple of spare magazines, then I need some range time to sight it in.

FWIW, this is the only gun I own (that anyone can prove).

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 19, 2013 09:35 AM (yh0zB)

108 That's an assault rifle. High-powered Sniper Rifle, oh yes.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 09:35 AM (QupBk)

109 Want serious shoulder abuse? Buy a~~n Enfield jungle carbine~~ Mosin Nagant.

Posted by: tahDeetz at May 19, 2013 12:42 PM (2xYnP)

FIFY

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 19, 2013 09:37 AM (yh0zB)

110 One of the reasons that the British army could afford to practice enough to shoot 4 rounds from their muzzle loading Brown Bess muskets rather than the 3 rounds per minute which was more common in other armies was that Britain controlled the supply of saltpeter exported from India.

Other countries like France and Prussia largely manufactured their own saltpeter in niter beds. Operating niter beds required collecting the contents of bedpans and spreading the stuff out in a kind of compost heap that was built to optimize conditions for the bacteria that convert urea and ammonia into nitrates while providing wood ashes as a source of potassium. It would take about 2 years for the bacteria to convert fresh sewage into potassium nitrate.

Before the British secured their Indian source of saltpeter, the King would issue warrants to petermen who would dig up nitrate rich soil and turn it into saltpeter. The petermen were unpopular for a number of reasons. For one thing it was pretty disruptive for them to dig up the dirt floor of your barn, dove cote or chicken house. They would often take bribes in order to not dig up your property.

One of the richest sources of nitrate rich soil was found in the dirt floors of churches. Apparently since sermons would often last for hours and due to an absence of contraception, married women were pregnant most of the time before they experienced either menopause or death in childbirth and the congregation sat on long benches and women wore ankle length skirts and no underwear, it was common practice for women to just piss on the floor of the church. One of those details that tends to be left out in discussions of religious practice during the early modern era.

My mind is just full of this kind of useless trivia.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at May 19, 2013 09:42 AM (31Nrp)

111 "Want serious shoulder abuse? Buy an Enfield jungle carbine Mosin Nagant."
Nah, try shooting Czech 7.92x57mm ball in a Commission Kar88 or Gew88.

Posted by: Chris Morton at May 19, 2013 10:02 AM (uoVFE)

112 Are you going to start shooting cops? Because obviously they're going to do what they're told. Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 19, 2013 10:39 AM (NcPjb) Right now, the best choice for a private citizen owning firearms in New York would be to move the hell out of New York since it is unlikely any of those new 'SAFE' laws will be repealed, but if you're talking about a hypothetical, nation-wide authoritarian dystopia, moving out would no longer be an option. Resistance would then be the only recourse. Looking at the history of, say, underground resistance movements in occupied countries in WWII, the best (hypothetical) course of action would be to avoid direct confrontations and evade police and military forces whenever possible. The Holger-Danske group in Denmark, for example, focused its energies on targeting high-ranking collaborators, low-level informants, and the occasional high-ranking German--knowing, of course, that killing high-ranking Germans meant serious reprisals. They usually employed two-man hit teams consisting of one good getaway driver and one hitter, known as liquidators, whose job entailed single-target assassinations. Look up two Danish underground fighters whose code names were Flame and Citron. A worthwhile Danish-language movie was made about them. So no, one doesn't engage the police in a police state unless absolutely necessary. It's counterproductive, offering the enemy propaganda value and alienating a potentially powerful support base.

Posted by: troyriser at May 19, 2013 10:03 AM (ptcFO)

113 I got an idea years back I wanted an Enfield. Ended up on gunbroker and got two. One a "tanker model" which after if arrived, I think it was just modified, but it's still cool.. a SMLE and I wanted a Ishapore for knockaround use. I've shot them both. But man, the rear site(s) are so tiny and flat it's hard for my old eyes to make much use of them.

Posted by: Yip at May 19, 2013 10:16 AM (/jHWN)

114 If any NY morons has Saiga .223 magazines that they need to find homes for, my safe is open...just saying...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 19, 2013 10:16 AM (yh0zB)

115 I discovered yesterday that a pair of thin neoprene koozies, one inside the other, makes a most excellent improvised non-printing pocket holster for a P64, and I would guess, any PPK sized automatic. I'd like to try it on my 357 snubbie, but that's on semi-permanent loan to Boy928.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 10:20 AM (QupBk)

116 This kind of koozie, btw http://is.gd/tFqzIY Not the thick foam rubber ones.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 10:23 AM (QupBk)

117 @115 I read about that about a year ago on a CHL forum. The guys that did it said they worked great and they'd cut 'em and stuff for the different guns they carried. .. though I've never tried it. All my pocket guns ....<sobbing>... the boat... damn it!

Posted by: Yip at May 19, 2013 10:23 AM (/jHWN)

118 I read about that about a year ago on a CHL forum. Really? And here I was thinking it was an original idea. I was just looking at some free koozies that I got at the hospital yesterday and thought they looked the right size. It just goes to show that people are clever all over. I've turned the outside one inside out, both to hide the logo and make it nice and solid black, and also because I think the inside is a bit more grabby on the pocket fabric than the nylon or whatever on the outside. I'm not sure but the neoprene seems pretty breathy, which is probably a good thing. I can even get a spare mag between the two layers and still not show. I cut and doubled up a piece of thin cardboard and slipped it between the two layers for even more hidyness, but it's not really necessary and I think I'll go without it.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 10:33 AM (QupBk)

119 I know... I do the same stuff... I think of something only to find out someone else thought of it. Yeah, and some types of that kind of coozie work better than others, ie, some have a sewn seam(s) in them and some thicker than others.

Lots of good info Texas CHL forum... I'll stick a link in my sig.

Posted by: Yip at May 19, 2013 10:36 AM (/jHWN)

120 Those coozies are a great idea. My favorite IWB holsters or basically customized coozies with a clip. BlackHawk, or Uncle Mikes soft holsters. $10-12.

I've got one that fits both my 1911 and my Glock 21. Best money I've spent.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 19, 2013 10:44 AM (4Mv1T)

121 "are", not "or"

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 19, 2013 10:46 AM (4Mv1T)

122 I'm still fiddling around with it. I moved the cardboard to the inside face of the "holster", thinking of a vapor barrier to keep sweat from moisting through. Which made me think of milk cartons. I think I'm going to cut a matching rectangle out of a gallon milk jug and slip it between the layers of the folded cardboard and see how that works.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 10:53 AM (QupBk)

123 How'd everyone do at spring turkey this year?

I got out a few times, plenty of gobbling but none of 'em came in. Could've shot about a half dozen hens that were wandering around me, so I don't think it was my calling... maybe next year.

Posted by: 0302 at May 19, 2013 11:05 AM (sRWlD)

124 Well that worked great. I slipped the rectangle of plastic in between the folded cardboard, trimmed to fit , and then sealed the sides with black electrical tape.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 11:26 AM (QupBk)

125 and by sides, I mean edges.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 11:33 AM (QupBk)

126 >>>with black electrical tape. I built more stuff growing up with black electrical tape from dad's garage shop. Now I have to buy it three rolls at a time 'cause my boys go through it like toilet paper.

Posted by: Beavis at May 19, 2013 11:39 AM (4Mv1T)

127 Off damn Beavis sock. Didn't want to be ID'ed in the gaming thread.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 19, 2013 11:40 AM (4Mv1T)

128 Rumsfeld ignored the trap and said something intelligent to David Unindicted Felon Gregory. I think Cheney might have said "I don't know, David, why don't you tell me? You're the one who committed a felony on the air and walked because you supported the right politicians." Stop treating people with kid gloves. If it wasn't obvious before *they* are at war with *us*, it should be by now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at May 19, 2013 11:47 AM (qyfb5)

129 With the police state and all, it is still reasonable to maintain a carry permit? This seems to automatically put the mark of Cain on you (re government databases), but as long as you are legally carrying it might save your ass from some jailtime. I am considering letting mine lapse since after the boating accident, which I don't remember, I no longer have anything to carry.

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 19, 2013 11:50 AM (Cnqmv)

130 >>>This seems to automatically put the mark of Cain on you. I thought about this long and hard before registering for my carry license, and decided, fuck 'em. But I also live in a state with a red gov and red legislature, for now anyway, and gun laws are loosening up here for the time being.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 19, 2013 11:55 AM (4Mv1T)

131 If you're thinking about letting it *lapse*, Hrothgar, that means you're already on the list. I would worry less about it in that case. But you remember that paranoid guy who always bought from private parties to keep things on the QT? Not so paranoid now, bitches.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at May 19, 2013 12:02 PM (qyfb5)

132 Not so paranoid now, bitches.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at May 19, 2013 04:02 PM (qyfb5)

Yes, I was thinking the flag on me has already been raised, but the question now is not if you're paranoid, it is if you are paranoid enough!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 19, 2013 12:24 PM (Cnqmv)

133

Well the Kranky Girl has decided that she likes to shoot clays, so I bought her a used Winchester 1200; 20 gage. Its a lot cheaper to shoot a box of clays at $25.00/135 even if she only hits 1/3 of them for now.

We'll see how she likes Dove season. One can only hope.....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 19, 2013 12:41 PM (DxdFr)

134 Yes, I was thinking the flag on me has already been raised, but the question now is not if you're paranoid, it is if you are paranoid enough! Posted by: Hrothgar at May 19, 2013 04:24 PM (Cnqmv) Paranoia denotes an irrational fear of persecution. I see nothing in our current situation to indicate my fears are irrational.

Posted by: troyriser at May 19, 2013 01:35 PM (ptcFO)

135 Here's my Faygo Koozie holster: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41623769@N05/sets/72157633537042680/ It took me more time to take the photos than to make the damn thing.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 02:00 PM (QupBk)

136 I have a sporterised "03A3 made in 1942. The original Springfield '03s had stocks made for the shorter men of the late 19th Century and so they'll kick the snot out of a 21st Century shooter. Rule number one on those is to not put your right thumb over the wrist of the stock when shooting, your thumbnail will hit your nose and you'll bleed. Instead put your thumb parrallel to the stock.

Of course with the aftermarket stock one need not do this. I was taught to shoot the .30 caliber rifles by a pre-Garand vet back in the late '50s, early '60s and to this day shoot the first few rounds of an unfamiliar centerfire rifle with the straight thumb, then if it looks as if my thumb won't bust me in the beezer, go to the more common thumb over the wrist of the stock.

If anyone cares the ')3A3 was made by Remington with a two groove barrel. Oddly two grove barrels are just as accurate as the more common four, five and six groove barrels, at least with jacketed bullets. One does have to futz around a little more with cast bullets.

Posted by: Peter at May 19, 2013 03:21 PM (2QZ+t)

137 Okay, I had to make a mod in the koozie holster. The moisture plate was interfering with getting an easy pull from the pocket since it was covering the leg side of the grip and preventing the thumb from getting on the grip unless you deliberately stuck the thumb in between the grip and the moisture barrier plate. Like a thumb break holster. But it was tight and it required more concentration than I think a I'm-scared-shitless-holster should have. I cut away the part that was covering the grips and that fixed it. So picture about half of the part that sticks out above the koozie as not being there.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 03:54 PM (QupBk)

138 Btw, the problem in 137 is not an issue if you don't have the spare mag in there with the pistol. There's enough slack for an easy pull sans mag. But I want the spare.

Posted by: toby928© at May 19, 2013 04:34 PM (QupBk)

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