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May 26, 2013

Gun Thread (5-26-2013)
— andy

Illinois House Speaker Reverses Longtime Opposition To Gun Rights

As watershed events for gun control go, this is huge. Mike Madigan is supporting a bill that preempts Chicago's ridiculously overreaching and ineffective gun laws. In related news, a flock of pigs just flew past my window.

LAPD SWAT Operating An Illegal Gun Dealership?

Of. Course.

The FBI is investigating whether members of the Los Angeles Police Department's elite SWAT and Special Investigations Section units violated the law by purchasing large numbers of custom-made handguns and reselling them for profit, according to interviews.

Gun Of The Week

(answer below)
Marksmanship Award

Hero of the Day - Ohio: Clerk fires shot at robbery suspect - whiotv.com/news/news/clerÂ… #NRA #ArmedCitizen (@whiotv)
— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) May 21, 2013

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the M3 "Grease Gun" in .45 ACP. It was lighter, cheaper and easier to make than the Thompson but was introduced too late in WWII to really replace it.

Time Warner's Gun Ignorance Criticized At Annual Stockholders' Meeting

We need to be doing more of this.

Time Warner chairman and CEO Jeff Bewkes at the entertainment conglomerate's annual shareholder meeting on Thursday touted the company's performance and outlook and answered questions about the objectivity of CNN on the issue of gun control and the company's relationship with the White House.

More here.

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Posted by: andy at 05:57 AM | Comments (167)
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That's sure a Garand post y'got here.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 26, 2013 06:02 AM (vvk2F)

2 gheys & guns http://tinyurl.com/nlaklv2

Posted by: phoenixgirl.....ready for MAUI at May 26, 2013 06:02 AM (GVxQo)

3 The M-3. Who nneds a newfangled. 3D printer.

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 06:03 AM (Wl/Ht)

4 remember to check out gunssavelives.net daily!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl.....ready for MAUI at May 26, 2013 06:03 AM (GVxQo)

5 Andy - Illinois has been forced by court rulings to do something. If they do nothing, then every Illinoisan has the de facto right to conceal carry. So Madigan while I give him some props, was really forced to pass something - and pass something that would comply with court rulings.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 26, 2013 06:03 AM (UTq/I)

Egads, I've foisted a first! I..... I've.... my first first! (but I thought it'd feel more <I>romantic</I>, y'know?

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 26, 2013 06:04 AM (vvk2F)

7 I totally got this one. Definitely a caulk gun.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 26, 2013 06:04 AM (NcPjb)

8 Looking to start supplementing my eclectic and meager weapons. Are the prices starting to come down? Or is the supply still short?

Posted by: Bruce at May 26, 2013 06:04 AM (03PhX)

9 My oldest stepson is currently trying his hardest to hook up with a bartender. He took her shooting and now she wants a pistol of her own. She wants a Glock .40SW, full size. I told him not to tell her he owns a teeny Taurus .22LR. Hee hee!

Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 06:06 AM (doBIb)

10 Sure! Steal mein design!

And I didn't even get a 'thank you' note.

Posted by: zombie Hugo Schmeisser at May 26, 2013 06:08 AM (9+vDU)

11 You better let your M-1 do the talking with a mustache like that, Clark!

Posted by: t-bird at May 26, 2013 06:09 AM (FcR7P)

12 My oldest stepson is currently trying his hardest to hook up with a bartender. He took her shooting and now she wants a pistol of her own. She wants a Glock .40SW, full size. I told him not to tell her he owns a teeny Taurus .22LR. Hee hee! Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 10:06 AM (doBIb) It aint the size of the weapon but the shooters accuracy. Hmm, where have I heard that before?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 26, 2013 06:09 AM (XIxXP)

13 Maybe he should hold off on buying that gal her own pistol until he gets a good read on her temperament.. just to be on the safe side...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 26, 2013 06:09 AM (UTq/I)

14 If LAPD had resold the weapons at cost, would it have been ok?

The article mentions the profit motive more than once, as if it were an aggravating factor. Commie stooges vs. capitalist stooges?

Posted by: Rule #2 at May 26, 2013 06:09 AM (eNk8l)

Bruce

firearms you can buy. Prices on the secondary market (used or as NIB) are starting to restabilize. Check Armslist.com or gunbroker or the like for what you want to get an idea of the price ranges. As far as buying new, other than Ruger, the manufacturers were still taking orders, if you don't mind waiting months.

Ammo is a different story.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 26, 2013 06:10 AM (ORvjs)

16 That Swede article from the Sidebar is infuriating. The Vikings are extinct.

Posted by: toby928© at May 26, 2013 06:10 AM (QupBk)

17 That Swede article from the Sidebar is infuriating. The Vikings are extinct. Posted by: toby928Â© at May 26, 2013 10:10 AM (QupBk) No they are not. They moved to America as motorcycle gangs that specialize in drugs, prostitution, murder and general, mayhem.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 26, 2013 06:12 AM (XIxXP)

18 OSP, He is embarrassed to show her after she was blasting away with various other, larger calibers. That 22 is his carry gun because he is too poor to buy anything else right now. He has a .45LC cowboy revolver but that's just a collector item that he doesn't want to shoot that much.

Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 06:13 AM (doBIb)

19 So this guy I know finally got to fire the AR he picked up about a month ago. He quite enjoyed it.

Posted by: Adam at May 26, 2013 06:13 AM (Aif/5)

20 I found a site that searches ammo stocks of multiple vendors provides near real time availability. gunbot_net http://goo.gl/l4efR

Posted by: Beer Ninja at May 26, 2013 06:14 AM (KO8dW)

21 19 So this guy I know finally got to fire the AR he picked up about a month ago. He quite enjoyed it. He didn't need an AR! He just needed a double barrel shotgun to blast through the door.

Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 06:15 AM (doBIb)

22 16 That Swede article from the Sidebar is infuriating. The Vikings are extinct. At one time, they were feared.

Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 06:16 AM (doBIb)

23 I love my Garand. Im gonna print that poster and put it on my wall. When I think about the guy who carried my M1 in WW2 I wonder what happened to him. What stories that gun could tell.

Posted by: Freak Out! at May 26, 2013 06:17 AM (3z04s)

24 About the LAPD thing, carried over from the last thread. 141 That LAPD - Kimber article gets some stuff wrong, like almost everything. The root of the "problem" there is that those Kimber models the cops were reselling weren't on the CA Safe Handgun List, and are therefore not available to the common folks. The list has a LEO exemption for purchases at a dealer, so they can get anything they want. After that, the law allows them to sell that same gun to anyone in the state via face to face purchase (at an FFL to do the background check and waiting period). They followed EVERY state and fed law for these transactions, with the possible exception of having "intent to sell" the guns. The article is also written to imply that they were selling guns purchased by the LAPD, but in reality the officers were paying for them with their own money. There are truckloads of reasons to criticize the LAPD, but I'm not seeing anything wrong here that wasn't created by insane unconstitutional gun laws Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2013 10:10 AM (c2oll)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2013 06:17 AM (c2oll)

25 The M-3 was still being used in Ft Knox 1st Armor Training Brigade in '86 when I went through, and was still seen in my reserve unit up until at least '91. FUN little party popper to shoot, highly recommend shooting one if you ever get the chance.

Posted by: OlafTheTanker at May 26, 2013 06:17 AM (9KBxJ)

26 Why does he NEED an assault magazine clip that holds eight cop killer bullets?

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 06:17 AM (Wl/Ht)

27 He is embarrassed to show her after she was blasting away with various other, larger calibers. That 22 is his carry gun because he is too poor to buy anything else right now. He has a .45LC cowboy revolver but that's just a collector item that he doesn't want to shoot that much. Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 10:13 AM (doBIb) You need to educate the boy about bartenders and waitresses being professional flirts and it is very rare, to get a date much less anything else from one. I think South Park has an episode where butters falls in love with a hooters waitress.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 26, 2013 06:18 AM (XIxXP)

28 "They Were Expendable". 1:00, TCM. IMHO. THE BEST WAR MOVIE EVER MADE.

Posted by: Tuna at May 26, 2013 06:20 AM (M/TDA)

29 After picking up my first AR a couple weeks ago, I went the other extreme and nabbed a Type 38 Arisaka on Friday. Not a last ditch, no dust cover, no cleaning rod, ground mum, about 85%. Good shooting example and a match for the bayonet I bought 30 years ago as a youngster. I'll tell you, a full-length Type 38 with that samurai-sword bayonet on the end is an impressive sight. It's a f***ing pike.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 06:20 AM (celt+)

30 That ammo search is cool, thanks for sharing!

Posted by: Terry at May 26, 2013 06:20 AM (VvdHP)

31 A friend of mine let my boys fire his M3 on auto. You never saw a bigger grin on a kid.

Posted by: Freak Out! at May 26, 2013 06:20 AM (3z04s)

32 Why does he NEED an assault magazine clip that holds eight cop killer bullets? Because fuck you, that's why /libertarian wookie-suit

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2013 06:22 AM (c2oll)

33 It's hard to continue to support the NRA. They sold my info to a number of entities, they played games with their supposed. 'free gift' , they send solicitation correspondence way too much and I've not forgotten their endorsement of Harry Reid. Other than that they're hunky dory. On a positive front I was able to find and buy a couple 15 round mags for my hi point .45 carbine.

Posted by: polynikes at May 26, 2013 06:23 AM (RNijH)

34 I need mine cause it makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

Posted by: Freak Out! at May 26, 2013 06:23 AM (3z04s)

35 OSP, She is taking him clothes shopping because he is a professional slob and is making him her make over project. I told him, he should take her shopping. I've met her once, and she is pretty. I told him not to fuck this up.

Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 06:23 AM (doBIb)

36 O/T, I have this half beagle half pug, Black, about twenty pounds. She's a rescue, bonded with the Aspies daughter. Anyway, this thing is a mole killin machine. She brings the daughter a mole every two or three days and sets the carcass on her bed as some kind of gift. The neighbors have mole problems, ours is slowly going away.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 26, 2013 06:24 AM (XIxXP)

37
*enters thread, fires off a couple of shotgun blasts to scare away little bidens*

Over at the Mother-in-Laws this weekend, sprucing up the property, talked to a couple of really good neighbors that watch out for her, quietly inquired if they would like to purchase 357 and 44 magnum super blackhawks. Sold.

Now just about 10 more of my late FIL's to "distribute". Unless we keep finding more.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 26, 2013 06:24 AM (jKWYf)

38 the M3 grease gun was t3h aw3som3...the OSS version's silencer was also "t3h aw3som3"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 06:25 AM (LRFds)

About 25 years ago I bought a shortened Garand T26 called a "Tanker" for sales marketing. During the war there were a few made for testing, but it ended before the T26 got much use. Many standard Garands were cutdown by about 6 inches and sold to the public. Since I already had a Garand I thought it would be neat to own a short version.

Big mistake. It fired the 30.06 round same as the Garand. After 16 rounds through the Tanker I thought my right arm was going to fall off. Plus the muzzle flash was something to see. I sold it soon after.

Posted by: ExSnipe at May 26, 2013 06:26 AM (PBm/l)

40 She is taking him clothes shopping because he is a professional slob and is making him her make over project. I told him, he should take her shopping. I've met her once, and she is pretty. I told him not to fuck this up. Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 10:23 AM (doBIb) Well maybe he is an exception. Don't let him spend any money on her he can't afford.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 26, 2013 06:26 AM (XIxXP)

41 #33 10-4 but watcha gonna do? Kind of like the BSA.

Posted by: Freak Out! at May 26, 2013 06:26 AM (3z04s)

42 OSP, I told him not to come back from the mall looking like a hipster.

Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 06:28 AM (doBIb)

43 OSP, I told him not to come back from the mall looking like a hipster. Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 10:28 AM (doBIb) That's good advice.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 26, 2013 06:29 AM (XIxXP)

Good morning all. Today is range day at my place and were gonna shoot some clays later on.

C'mon OSP, let the boy learn the hard way. Besides very now and then a blind hog finds a nut. ;-)

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 26, 2013 06:29 AM (EYfcP)

45 Always thought it was just slang, but now I see why it's called a "grease gun". The resemblance is uncanny.

Posted by: t-bird at May 26, 2013 06:29 AM (FcR7P)

46 I would like to thank the BSA for their endorsement.

Posted by: Harry Reid at May 26, 2013 06:30 AM (3z04s)

47 We fired the M3 for familiarization back in the day since it was still a TO weapon for some Marine tank crews and Force Recon still used some. Fun to shoot, but lacked the panache of the Thompson. Sort of like comparing a '44 DeSoto with a '28 Rolls Royce. That said, any sub gun is tons 'o fun.

Posted by: That SOB van Owen at May 26, 2013 06:30 AM (6hHSl)

48 >> There are truckloads of reasons to criticize the LAPD, but I'm not seeing anything wrong here that wasn't created by insane unconstitutional gun laws Yep. The problem starts with having two classes of gun buyers: "Law Enforcement" and "Everyone Else". That said, if I have to have an FFL to buy a gun with the intent to resell, so do they.

Posted by: Andy at May 26, 2013 06:30 AM (li+aS)

49 C'mon OSP, let the boy learn the hard way. Besides very now and then a blind hog finds a nut. ;-) Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 26, 2013 10:29 AM (EYfcP) I've just seen so many pretty girls destroy 20 something men emotionally and financially. Then when the guy figures it out, chokes her to death and dumps her in a ditch, it's the guy that ends up in jail. It's bullshit really.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 26, 2013 06:31 AM (XIxXP)

50 After 16 rounds through the Tanker I thought my right arm was going to fall off. Plus the muzzle flash was something to see. I sold it soon after. A good muzzle brake/compensator would have tamed that thing down nicely. Easy to justify since the rifle had already been cut down, modified from its original form. Of course, it wouldn't be as nice for the other folks on the firing line. But that's part of the fun. /evil

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2013 06:31 AM (c2oll)

51 Fast & Furious is trending on Twitter.

Huh? A movie.

Nevermind.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 26, 2013 06:31 AM (2iU3x)

52 48 Andy,

Stop the cop loophole....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 06:32 AM (LRFds)

53 The clip that guy is holding in the M1 poster.

Is it a "high magazine capacity clip"?

We really need to know. On deadline. Thanks.

Posted by: The Media at May 26, 2013 06:32 AM (gqT4g)

54 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 10:25 AM .45 is better than .22LR for suppression. Unless the slug hit something splatty.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at May 26, 2013 06:32 AM (MhA4j)

55 BTW, when I bought the Arisaka, the dealer said, "The one you really want to buy is THAT one". He gestured to a take-down Arisaka paratrooper rifle in a case. Yeah, cool gun, but $1700.

If you've ever seen the original "The Manchurian Candidate", that's the rifle Raymond Shaw uses in his assassination attempt.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 06:33 AM (celt+)

56 We really need to know. On deadline. Thanks. Posted by: The Media at May 26, 2013 10:32 AM Breaking NY law by one high capacity bullet

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at May 26, 2013 06:34 AM (MhA4j)

57 In my Artillery Battalion in Germany in the early 1990's, there were exactly 4 Grease Guns. For some reason, the CW3 in charge of Supply and the 3 Battery Maintenance Sergeants got them, no one else did. I only remember because when I was driving for a Major who was often Range Officer, it was a pain in the ass to get all 4 of them and their weapons to the range at the same time for qualifying. None of them could shoot for shit, so watching them was always a treat.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 26, 2013 06:34 AM (ZshNr)

58 That's the M3 "Grease Gun" in .45 ACP. I actually had to qualify with the M-3 as a tanker. It was the crewman's personal weapon on M-60A1 tanks as late as 1987. "Qualify" is a loose term. That thing was meant to throw lead in a general direction. You can't really hit anything with it. But they are also cheap and ridiculously easy to clean and service. Thanks for the memory, Andy.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 26, 2013 06:35 AM (vdH7w)

59 54 Dept of Accuracy,

http://youtu.be/swzZrzCJ4-o

M3 Grease Gun clips - suppressed and 1928 Comparison

"enjoy"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 06:36 AM (LRFds)

60 "It's hard to continue to support the NRA. They sold my info to a number of entities, they played games with their supposed. 'free gift' , they send solicitation correspondence way too much and I've not forgotten their endorsement of Harry Reid."

Parted ways with NRA a while back. Before the Reid endorsement. The Reid endorsement did not fill me with any feeling that I should renew my acquaintance with NRA.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 26, 2013 06:36 AM (gqT4g)

61 Thank you OneEyedJack!

Posted by: Bruce at May 26, 2013 06:36 AM (03PhX)

50 IllTemperedCur,

Ha! The looks on my friends faces when I fired it were great. One guy asked if that T26 was really a flame thrower. From my viewpoint the muzzle flash extended about 4 inches around the muzzle. I couldn't see the target when I fired it.

Posted by: ExSnipe at May 26, 2013 06:38 AM (PBm/l)

63 58 Sean Bannion,

DA alleged that the M3 grease Gun was a superior weapon to the M1928 and M1a1 Thompson because the lower cyclic allowed better control and reacquisition... add in the easy 9mm conversion and I can "maybe buy the argument"....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 06:38 AM (LRFds)

"I've just seen so many pretty girls destroy 20 something men emotionally and financially. Then when the guy figures it out, chokes her to death and dumps her in a ditch, it's the guy that ends up in jail. It's bullshit really."

I cannot begin to tell you how many young Marines I saw fall 'in love' only to end up paying alimony ( and child support) shortly after their first deployment. Having said that, EC's boy seems like he's in capable hands under his dad's watch.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 26, 2013 06:38 AM (32Scy)

The LAPD SWAT story reminds me of an Ancient Chinese Proverb that I just made up:

"If you're thinking about breaking a law, better do it quickly, else the guy who's tasked with enforcing it against you breaks it first."

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2013 06:40 AM (8+xjO)

66 Ya'll got me so excited I'm going to shoot the old M1 today in honor of whoever might have carried it thru the years.

Posted by: Freak Out! at May 26, 2013 06:40 AM (3z04s)

67 It's hard to continue to support the NRA. ...I've not forgotten their endorsement of Harry Reid.

Other than that they're hunky dory.

Posted by: polynikes at May 26, 2013 10:23 AM (RNijH)

-------------------------

I hear this all the time. Why should they not endorse Harry Reid? The NRA is not a conservative political organization. It is a gun rights organization, and Harry's had a good record on gun rights.

The minute they become a partisan political organization, they'll lose much of their effectiveness. They can't pressure Dems if the Dems know the NRA won't support them anyway.

You can criticize the NRA for other things (no organization is perfect), but you can't criticize them for not being something they're not SUPPOSED to be.

As for the other stuff, the NRA is like my wife - not perfect by a long shot, and often a pain in the ass, but I'd be screwed without her.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 06:40 AM (celt+)

68 The FBI is investigating whether members of the Los Angeles Police Department's elite SWAT and Special Investigations Section units violated the law by purchasing large numbers of custom-made handguns and reselling them for profit, according to interviews. L.A. Lawlessness Abound

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 26, 2013 06:41 AM (XYSwB)

69 Madigan is just softening shit up for baby Lisa's gubernatorial run. Then it will be back to full steam prog anti 2nd Amendment business as usual. Although Lisa Madigan loves her some baby-killing, look for some tough talk about late term abortions coming out of some Madigan's lying mouthhole, too.

Posted by: Gem at May 26, 2013 06:44 AM (zw+pb)

70 "They Were Expendable" Yeah, definitely top 5. And that M3? I'll take a Thompson. The M3 reminds me of nazis. I hate nazis. And not just the Illinois nazis.

Posted by: teej at May 26, 2013 06:44 AM (e0nsQ)

71 I think I'm gonna buy a shot out Sig P226 today...it costs ~399 but I want to put a threaded barrel on it anyway and the frame needing TLC is okay as well since I will put Novaks on her and custom grips...

*bunk*

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 06:44 AM (LRFds)

72
ICYMI, a totally different stabby muzzie.

http://tinyurl.com/ngbotoy

The UN should ban knives.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 26, 2013 06:45 AM (jKWYf)

73 M3 Grease Gun clips - suppressed and 1928 Comparison "enjoy" I did! That Thompson could really transmit Pb, but I imagine you could sneeze and find yourself out of ammo. The suppression was pretty cool. Guy's firing in his backyard next to a neighbor's? I probably couldn't even get away with lawn darts here.

Posted by: t-bird at May 26, 2013 06:46 AM (FcR7P)

74 Agree with the M-3 not being able to hit anything accurately. The fun part was when they would up and decide on their own after 50-100 rounds through it to become fully automatic and "run away" after letting go of the trigger. Only way to stop it at that point was to hit the magazine eject and drop the mag or let it empty out much to the chagrin of any NCO controlling the range that day.

Posted by: OlafTheTanker at May 26, 2013 06:47 AM (9KBxJ)

75 38 the M3 grease gun was t3h aw3som3...the OSS version's silencer was also "t3h aw3som3" Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 10:25 AM (LRFds) Shit. The l337s and/or noobs have gotten to sven!

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 06:49 AM (Wl/Ht)

76 "Why should [NRA] not endorse Harry Reid? The NRA is not a conservative political organization. It is a gun rights organization, and Harry's had a good record on gun rights."

Other than the fact that Reid works incessantly and tirelessly to select, elect and re-elect other Democratic candidates who do remorselessly oppose gun rights.

Have an eye to the second order effects which NRA are blind to.

If Reid had a good record on gun rights, and if Reid *also* had a history of declining to endorse or support Democratic candidates who did not also support gun rights, I would feel differently about NRA supporting Reid. That hypothetical scenario does not hold.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 26, 2013 06:51 AM (gqT4g)

77 DA alleged that the M3 grease Gun was a superior weapon to the M1928 ...... add in the easy 9mm conversion and I can "maybe buy the argument".... Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 10:38 AM If you have to pack the fucker around all day you'll become a fan of the M3

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at May 26, 2013 06:51 AM (MhA4j)

78 That Swede article from the Sidebar is infuriating. The Vikings are extinct.

Posted by: toby928Â© at May 26, 2013 10:10 AM (QupBk)

The foresight of the anti-Federalists is quite amazing. If it weren't to quell their fears about the new Federal government, the Bill of Rights wouldn't exist. The Second Amendment will be the key to our survival (admittedly not a sure thing).

Right now I'm sure a lot of Euro-weenies are looking wistfully at the "cowboys" in America and wishing they had a right to own and carry concealed firearms for their protection. A group of rioters show up in my neighborhood looking to burn and break stuff go home in body-bags.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at May 26, 2013 06:57 AM (b0pG9)

79 'Morning gun slingers. Signed up for my first match next weekend. http://tarheel3gun.com/

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 06:58 AM (4Mv1T)

80 Mixed messaging on guns in Illinois won't get back the producers. I got out of dodge 6 years ago and ain't comin' back. Enjoy your unemployment, fleeing business, and insurmountable state deficits. Illinois is nothing but California with fewer pretty women, and it's never changing.

Posted by: 0302 at May 26, 2013 06:58 AM (sRWlD)

Don't be confused, the photo is of the M3 used during WWII, the later improved M3A1 was what the tank crewman used up into the 90's. In the arty units they were for the M88 recovery vehicle crews. IIRC they were assigned to the vehicle itself, tank or M88 and not to any one person. They were not bad weapons if you could resist the spray and pray, the cyclic rate was so slow that 2-3 round bursts or even single shots were easy to squeeze off.

Posted by: FADAC at May 26, 2013 06:58 AM (+1F1M)

82 *bunk* Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 26, 2013 10:44 AM I have a Sig 226 from the original Army trials. It is stock with Heine Straight 8 Sights. The last time I qualified with it I laced the holes edge to edge and cut the 10 ring out of the target with a 1/4" of black. Shooter to my left says to range master "I don't have to do that do I?"

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at May 26, 2013 06:59 AM (MhA4j)

83 "Mike Madigan is supporting a bill that preempts Chicago's ridiculously overreaching and ineffective gun laws."

I have mixed feelings about that.

Frankly, I am happy at times that places like Shitcargo exist. They serve as empirical laboratories in which people who are smart enough to live in better places than Shitcargo can witness the results of dumb policies.

And, something I think we should see more of in red parts of the country is a push to encourage the local criminal element to move to places like Shitcargo. With stuff like billboards advertising the disarmed local victims of Shitcargo, I mean, local populace of Shitcargo. Easy meat! Low risk! Come and get it!

Even though I live in Commiefornia, and pay the bills in part for the practice, I laugh and laugh every time I hear about "Greyhound therapy", where conservative municipalities in sensible parts of the country take their problem loser alcoholics and addicts off the streets and put them on a bus for Scum Scamfrisco. Let's have more of that type of exportation. Much more.

Internal exile of the dysfunctional welfare class from red America to blue America, and internal exile of professional criminals from red America to blue America. Let a thousand flowers bloom.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 26, 2013 06:59 AM (gqT4g)

84 If you have to pack the fucker around all day you'll become a fan of the M3 ^^^^THIS

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 26, 2013 07:00 AM (vdH7w)

85 Have an eye to the second order effects which NRA are blind to.

If Reid had a good record on gun rights, and if Reid *also* had a history of declining to endorse or support Democratic candidates who did not also support gun rights, I would feel differently about NRA supporting Reid. That hypothetical scenario does not hold.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 26, 2013 10:51 AM (gqT4g)

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Well, I'll give you another hypothetical scenario - The NRA starts withholding endorsements based on "second order effects", and loses influence with Democrats who chalk an NRA endorsement up as a lost cause. What happens when the executive and legislative branches are under Democratic control?

Here's another - those of us who currently support the NRA warts and all join the Purity Test Brigade. What then happens to the single most effective rights lobbying organization in America?

Do what you want. The only favor I would ask is that you do it silently and not spread the disease. I won't say anymore about it, because it's as infuriating a debate as the ones I engaged in with the "Mitt's as bad as Obama and I'm staying home" crowd in 2012.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 07:00 AM (celt+)

86 I knew a dude who did a few tours in viet nam with the special forces. He carried an M3, but the later A1 version without the charging handle. His exact words were " you hit a VC with one of those and you can hear him splash all over the jungle".

Posted by: Berserker at May 26, 2013 07:01 AM (FMbng)

87 Time Warner's Gun Ignorance Criticized At Annual Stockholders' Meeting Along these lines, wingers need a site with conservative voting guides for proxy vote ballots. I have neither the time nor the knowledge to do the research needed. I searched but could not find any such thing. A few years ago, I saw "Pritzker" in the list of names nominated to the board of one of the investment funds in my IRA. I verified with google that he was part of *that* family, and I voted against him. Of course that was worth jack shit as he was named to the board. The idea may not accomplish much, but it might be an irritant to lefties, and I'd gladly accept that in the world of shit we've been inhabiting these last few years.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 26, 2013 07:02 AM (V3kRK)

88
You guys who bitch about an M3 being heavy should have had to do laps around the quad with a Garand held over your head after calling it a gun.

THAT is heavy.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2013 07:05 AM (SAMxH)

89 Have fun and good shooting Tobacco Road!

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 07:06 AM (Wl/Ht)

90 I imagine that M3 grease gun would have a problem keeping the muzzle down when firing, since it is so light.

Posted by: navybrat at May 26, 2013 07:08 AM (/jfVj)

"29 After picking up my first AR a couple weeks ago, I went the other extreme and nabbed a Type 38 Arisaka on Friday."

I had a type 99 Arisaka 7.7 mm long rifle with chrysanthemums and AA sights.

Sweet rifle with almost Mauser quality, and a better bolt design. Wish I still had it.

Posted by: Frankly at May 26, 2013 07:09 AM (C6cix)

92 As Chris searches for likely candidates, he comes upon his friend, Britt leaning against a fence post with his hat dipped over his face. Nearby, Wallace (Robert J. Wilke) a loudmouthed braggert hears that Britt can throw a knife faster that a man can draw a gun. Not a believer, he goads Britt to prove his claim and when he does, the boastful cowpoke believe he has won. Britt knows he won and had no reason to redo his performance and ignores the man who wants to go again. Irritated, the cowpoke threatens Britt with a gun and wants to do it for "real." He is confident he will be the winner. Consequently, Britt stands, waits and throws his knife into the man's heart as he is in mid-draw. As the man lies dying, Chris approach and offers Britt six weeks employment as a gunmen. The pay: $20 dollars. The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun. Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1] A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being charged with murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.[2] The Tueller Drill combines both parts of the original time trials by Tueller. There are several ways it can be conducted:[3] The "attacker and shooter are positioned back-to-back. At the signal, the attacker sprints away from the shooter, and the shooter unholsters his gun and shoots at the target 21 feet (6.4 m) in front of him. The attacker stops as soon as the shot is fired. The shooter is successful only if his shot is good and if the runner did not cover 21 feet (6.4 m). A more stressful arrangement is to have the attacker begin 21 feet (6.4 m) behind the shooter and run towards the shooter. The shooter is successful only if he was able take a good shot before he is tapped on the back by the attacker. If the shooter is armed with only a training replica gun, a full-contact drill may be done with the attacker running towards the shooter. In this variation, the shooter should practice side-stepping the attacker while he is drawing the gun. "At first, I thought about saying three or four steps, but then I realized that I didnÂ’t have any idea how close was too close. I thought, Â“We can do better that this!Â” Since we already knew the average time it takes to draw, fire, and hit a target at seven yards Â– which was about 1 1/2 seconds from the holster Â– I decided to see just how long it would take someone to cover that same distance. So we had one recruit officer play the role of the Â“bad guyÂ” and another played the role of the Â“startled officer.Â” We put them 21 feet apart, and when the bad guy role player decided to start his attack, we started the stopwatch, and when the bad guy made contact with the good guy, we stopped the watch. I was quite stunned to discover that the time was roughly 1 1/2 seconds! Then we tried the same exercise with everyone available in the class Â– some younger, some older, big and small, male and female Â– and all of them could run that seven yard distance in about 1 1/2 seconds. Of course, this was before SimunitionsÂ® or AirsoftÂ®, but later we did test it with dart pistols. What we found was that if youÂ’re ready and if everything goes perfectly, you might get the gun out and get a shot off before the bad guy role player makes contact. That is not good enough! Shooting does not stop the action."

Posted by: Bob Dole at May 26, 2013 07:09 AM (G6kli)

93 That is a bad gun. I can tell just by looking at it that it's a bad killing assaulty thingy. It has that thingy on the back, and that long thingy, and on the front, is that one of those things for that bad thingy I heard about? Mostly, it's black. Good guns are never black, and I mean the color not the race, it's not racist when I say it. Do I win a free Gun-Free Zone sign for my school or business?

Posted by: The Police are Only Minutes Away at May 26, 2013 07:11 AM (Bfbpz)

94 Colin Powell has apparently indicated he is not concerned with the "talking points", re: Bengazi. We will not get through these toxic times to true equality of men unless we deal in blunt truths--This is racial solidarity on Powell's part. In one sense, there is nothing wrong with this. We can not expect the black commnity to be any different than any other community in addressing its own flaws. And we shall not disappointed. But that does not mean we should be blind to flaws in any man, intbis case Barack Obama and his lieutenants. One of the truest crimes with the talking ponts was of it being part of a consistent and continuing pattern to make robust criticism of Islam (as Christianity has had to undergo) a thoughtcrime; to make militant, dominance-bent adherents of that faith seem to be the sainted salts of the Earth; in short, to short-circuit the decision-making processes of the people of this commonweal, not to enable them with the fullest information so they can make self-governance choices wisely. In the crucial days after this incident, there was a concerted efforts to make irrational aggressors seem like the rightfully aggrieved party. Well, were they, yes or no? I say they weren't, and that this was known at the time, and that therefore the talking points were a deliberate attempt to keep self-governance decisions in the hands of Barack Obama alone, by allowing him to not just execute foreign policy, as is his charge, but to be the only one with the correct information for proper risk-management discussions. This is unacceptable, because the peope had the right to know the true nature of people they are being asked to succor. Certainly this was the standard of the Left during the Cold War, in regards to information about anti-communist dictatorships. The Left would never had stood still for a second if such a feeble "caused by a video" excuse had been used to explain away the actions of, say, 1980s El Salvadoran death squads. And yet in Benghazi... To summarize: Colin Powell is not a great man of history; only his being black compels others to give him the aura of being a great man of the Republic. He is not a bad man, seems a good man, but increasingly, gives no indication of being a wise man.

Posted by: T. at May 26, 2013 07:12 AM (bAKC/)

95 The weapons being assigned to the vehicles sounds right. I don't know if every Battery had it's own 88 though. We had one in HQ for sure and I think that was the vehicle through which the CW3 got his. In my Unit, it's quite possible they fudged ppwk so he'd appear as "co-driver" on the documents despite never setting foot in the vehicle. We had a bit of F-troop/Hogan's Heroes action going on. Our Battalion was literally the only Unit on our base, up on top of a hill, with our own PX, club, diner, Class 6, etc., so we got away with a lot in our own little world that wouldn't fly elsewhere. Don't even ask about the granite curbs we crushed with our SPLLs then replaced with painted wood.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 26, 2013 07:14 AM (ZshNr)

96 Speaking of Democrats and gun control -- just a note that Jimmah Cahter commuted the sentence of Patty Hearst and BJ Clinton gave her a full pardon...

http://tinyurl.com/np3ldkn

"Patty Hearst heard the burst of Roland's Thompson gun and bought it"

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 26, 2013 07:14 AM (2iU3x)

97 Isn't Illinois under orders from a federal court to enact CCW? I like the part about stripping Chicago of its right to enact its own gun laws.

Posted by: Gran at May 26, 2013 07:15 AM (0pcT0)

98 >>>Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 11:06 AM Thanks RWC. I'm excited.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 07:15 AM (4Mv1T)

99 Posted by: Bob Dole at May 26, 2013 11:09 AM (G6kli) I've seen the Tueller Drill done with live ammo. Put a balloon or rig a paper target on a sturdy RC car and have fun.

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 07:16 AM (Wl/Ht)

100

I found an appropriate picture for the day. You'll have to scroll down a bit but you'll know it when you see it.

http://tinyurl.com/2sgkag

Posted by: harleycowboy at May 26, 2013 07:16 AM (+9AX9)

101 Why should they not endorse Harry Reid?

Because Harry Reid is a lying cockholster who would (and now has) go after gun rights so fast it would make your head spin. It was *obvious* that was his stance before they endorsed him.

Posted by: Gman at May 26, 2013 07:16 AM (UkbKS)

102

88 Irongrampa,

In Navy bootcamp 1974 we each had a 1903 Springfield we carried around and did 9 and 21 manuel count arms drills, or whatever they were called. They were non-firing.

We were required to call them "a piece", or "my piece." They were kept in our barrack gunrack called "the whorehouse." If we used the term gun, or gunrack the entire company spent time on the grinder practicing with our "piece."

Posted by: ExSnipe at May 26, 2013 07:16 AM (PBm/l)

103 Crispy mojo criollo chicken wrapped in bacon on the grill for brunch? Yes please!

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 07:16 AM (Wl/Ht)

104 >>>Posted by: harleycowboy at May 26, 2013 11:16 AM PERFECTLY POINTY elbows, I must say. Bravo.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 07:18 AM (4Mv1T)

105 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 11:00 AM (celt+)

That's the problem with single issue orgs, they are totally blind to long-term consequences of some of their actions. And I consider endorsing Democrats to be an action of the sort that undermines the NRA's mission in the long run.

Now, they are perfectly free to do that, but I'll be damned if I, and others, have to shut up about it.

Posted by: KG at May 26, 2013 07:20 AM (IPz9m)

106

Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 11:18 AM

Keep scrolling down. Not her.

Posted by: harleycowboy at May 26, 2013 07:21 AM (+9AX9)

107 Posted by: harleycowboy at May 26, 2013 11:21 AM (+9AX9) The Marine? I don't know if many will make it past the two gingers.

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 07:25 AM (Wl/Ht)

108 How the NRA wins, that has nothing to do with politics. http://tinyurl.com/a2gt3md

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 07:27 AM (Wl/Ht)

109 >>>I don't know if many will make it past the two gingers. Posted by: RWC You mean there was content on that page?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 07:28 AM (4Mv1T)

110 The M1928 is a work of industrial art. But it is fuckin'-A-heavy and damned expensive to produce.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 26, 2013 07:29 AM (PwV7G)

111 And she says "bangbangbangbangbangbangbang bangchink!"

Posted by: Freak Out! at May 26, 2013 07:29 AM (3z04s)

112 Guns are scary, icky, and racist I may have to play with they wife's Kimber while she's away of course OSP, on the EC boys bartender dilemma...if she's that hawt he can dress anyway she wants

Posted by: Navycopjoe (hates MAUI and the fools who go there) at May 26, 2013 07:34 AM (Rc23U)

113
Got thinking that my .22 Woodsman wouldn't be a bad close quarter defense piece--5 rounds of hollowpoint in the face will easily ruin someone's day.

Very easy to shoot a small group with the thing quickly.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2013 07:34 AM (SAMxH)

114 I forsee a whole lot of guns making their way into europe in the next few years civil war at least civil strife is a comming

Posted by: Jake in ID at May 26, 2013 08:00 AM (zzeVM)

115 My dad carried a grease gun in Vietnam as a back up weapon.. It was passed on to him by a Sgt. in his unit who was rotating home. It's origins were unknown, but it wasn't an issued weapon. He thinks it was probably sent over with weapons destined for the ARVN, and picked up by an advisor, and passed down the line. He went over with an M14, and ended up with a shorty M16 - an XM 177, I think.

Posted by: elliot at May 26, 2013 08:02 AM (8zGOf)

116 TR your first shooting match is a 3 gun?

Posted by: Jake in ID at May 26, 2013 08:04 AM (zzeVM)

117 109 >>>I don't know if many will make it past the two gingers. Posted by: RWC You mean there was content on that page? Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 11:28 AM (4Mv1T) Remember those 3D posters at the mall in the 90's? You have to use the same technique. Let your eyes go lazy and unfocus and it magically appears.

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 08:04 AM (Wl/Ht)

118 >>>TR your first shooting match is a 3 gun? Posted by: Jake in ID Yup. Frightening isn't it. My hope is that seasoned wits, time spent at a well run range, and reading the rules three times will prevent any unwanted outcomes, besides missing the targets.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 08:15 AM (4Mv1T)

119 >>>Remember those 3D posters at the mall in the 90's? You have to use the same technique. Let your eyes go lazy and unfocus and it magically appears. Posted by: RWC I am familiar with those. I was referring to the red headed distractions.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 08:16 AM (4Mv1T)

120 Yup. Frightening isn't it. My hope is that seasoned wits, time spent at a well run range, and reading the rules three times will prevent any unwanted outcomes, besides missing the targets. Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 12:15 PM (4Mv1T) If you can go last on each stage, so you can watch everyone or at least don't go first

Posted by: Jake in ID at May 26, 2013 08:17 AM (zzeVM)

121 That's the problem with single issue orgs, they are totally blind to long-term consequences of some of their actions. And I consider endorsing Democrats to be an action of the sort that undermines the NRA's mission in the long run.

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The long run?

If you asked me thirty years ago where gun rights would be in 2013, I'd have said "Handguns banned. Manually-repeating shotguns and rifles only, by permit."

Instead we got an explosion of CCW.

The NRA's been doing just fine with the long run. I'm sorry they're not perfect for you, and that they've stubbornly remained a single-issue organization instead of the "National Rifle, Conservative, Republican, English-Official-Language, Anti-Illegal Immigration, Strong National Defense, Low Taxation Association of America."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 08:18 AM (celt+)

122 Hey, guys. Guess what I bought? tee hee, so exciting!

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2013 08:18 AM (8lmkt)

123 >>>If you can go last on each stage, so you can watch everyone or at least don't go first. That is exactly what I was thinking. I am not embarassed to let them know when I check in that morning.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 08:21 AM (4Mv1T)

124 Peaches, have you been able to take that new hardware out for a drive yet?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 08:21 AM (4Mv1T)

125 No, there's a 10-day waiting period. I pick it up June 3 or 4. At which time, I suppose I will have to spend a bunch more money on the ammo and I want some of those dummy cartridges so I can dry fire it. No cleaning crap, though, my buddy said he would do all that for me because, well, ick.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2013 08:23 AM (8lmkt)

126 >>>my buddy said he would do all that for me because, well, ick. You're funny.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 26, 2013 08:25 AM (4Mv1T)

127 He loves doing that stuff (former USMC, total gun nut). I don't like the smell and the oiliness of it all.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2013 08:27 AM (8lmkt)

128 @90. When my dad was given the M3 in Vietnam, the Sgt. Who gave it to him said that if his position was being overrun, to aim for the knee of the guy on the left end of a group of charging enemy, and sweep right (it was given to him as a backup). The Sgt. Said that by the time he reached the right side of the group, the rounds would be hitting at chest level due to the rise.

Posted by: elliot at May 26, 2013 08:28 AM (eDr4W)

129 Friday, May 17, the two FBI agents who terminated Boston terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev were themselves killed in a helicopter incident during a counter-terrorist rescue training exercise 17 miles off the coast of Virginia, the press service of the FBI reported.

Posted by: Join the Club with bin-Laden's Seal Team 6 at May 26, 2013 08:31 AM (MhA4j)

130 Ref LAPD gun sales. It's not shocking that cops would sell guns in LA. Due to silly and restrictive gun laws/regs sometimes the easiest way to buy a LEGAL gun is to buy one from a cop. For example, say you want the latest model Glock. Their 4th Generation or Gen4 line. Those Are Not Legal in California. Sort of. Those guns are not on the list of legal handguns (too long to explain why) so you can't buy them from a dealer UNLESS a bizarre series of procedures is done. For example, the barrel has to be replaced for 10 days. A pain in the ass and many dealers don't want to go to the trouble. OR you can just buy the exact same Glock Gen4 from a cop. If you do that, all you have to do is fill out a form. Since cops can buy Glocks and WAY under the retail price I imagine some cops don't mind picking up an easy 2 or 3 hundred bucks. If that's going on, I wouldn't be suprised if the SWAT team was buying guns for $600 and selling them for over $1000 each. And it's legal (although it may violate the rules of a specific police force. But there are a LOT of police forces near LA - you don't have to buy from the LAPD if you want a Glock)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 26, 2013 08:32 AM (5YUSx)

131 The long run?

If you asked me thirty years ago where gun rights would be in 2013, I'd have said "Handguns banned. Manually-repeating shotguns and rifles only, by permit."

Instead we got an explosion of CCW.

The NRA's been doing just fine with the long run. I'm sorry they're not perfect for you, and that they've stubbornly remained a single-issue organization instead of the "National Rifle, Conservative, Republican, English-Official-Language, Anti-Illegal Immigration, Strong National Defense, Low Taxation Association of America."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 12:18 PM (celt+)

Ok, so I guess everything else that happened is OK, because we still have our guns. Gotcha.

Posted by: KG at May 26, 2013 08:37 AM (IPz9m)

132 #54, good video, Sven. Steve from Adco built the better of my ARs, in fact. His "Mini- Mk12 SPR" package.

Single-shotting a Grease Gun isn't hard. I rent one every time I'm in Vegas just for fun, though my heart does belong to the Thompson in the .45 subgun class.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at May 26, 2013 08:38 AM (1pJbs)

133 What gun for self-defense from you SIL whose son you convinced that 'Your mommy LOVES cicadas. Give her one when you get home as a gift.'. >)

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 08:45 AM (Wl/Ht)

134 Peaches if you use the Frog Lube it smells like pepperminty and none of that oily ickiness. That's what I use since hubby quit cleaning mine for me

something about learning more about it or something. But seriously, it does help you learn by taking it apart and putting it back together regularly. It also makes you more comfortable with it so think about doing it every so often yourself. Congrats

)))

Posted by: LindaFell at May 26, 2013 08:45 AM (PGO8C)

135 Oh, thanks for the tip, LindaFell. I will check it out. I don't think this one actually comes apart in any way, except for the barrel releasing, so there's no field-stripping or any of that. But, yeah, I should probably do my own maintenance on it.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2013 08:49 AM (8lmkt)

136 Peaches, what did you get? I know it was .38/.357 but from who?

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 08:54 AM (Wl/Ht)

137 I know the revolvers have less parts but the more you handle it the more comfortable you will be with it.

I learned that after being scared my own for a good while.

Posted by: LindaFell at May 26, 2013 08:55 AM (PGO8C)

138 Need some feedback on a Model 94 in 32 special. Anyone have trouble with these shooting high? 3 of us put enough down range yesterday from 25 & 50 yds. All shots high no matter where the rear sight was adjusted to. It wasn't operator error as we hitting bulls with the Model 760 with open sights. The gun is in excellent condition, and I have had a smith go through it (he tried to buy it from me). It's a 1959 in carbine. Read the Winchester manual today to verify that I was adjusting correctly - that many bad shots makes one wonder! Any suggestions or help from anyone who has experienced this would be great. Happy Memorial Day.

Posted by: scampydog at May 26, 2013 09:00 AM (LIMFd)

139 Fun fact: In 1860, the British National Rifle Association held its first annual meeting at Wimbledon. Queen Victoria fired the first shot from a Whitworth rifle on a machine rest at 400 yards, and struck the bull's-eye 1-1/4 inch from its center. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitworth_rifle

Posted by: rickl at May 26, 2013 09:02 AM (sdi6R)

140 It's a Ruger SP101 with the satin finish. Really a beautiful thing, seems very well-made. Can't wait to fire it!

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2013 09:05 AM (8lmkt)

141 The M3 Greasegun was replaced by the M3A1 version in which the ratchet activated bolt retraction mechanism was replaced by a simple hole in the bolt. To cock the M3A1, you just open the dust cover, stick your finger in the hole and pull the bolt to the rear until the sear catches and holds it. We were still using them in Korea in 1981. The Norwegian version of the German H&K G3 rifle uses the same system for manually cycling the action, although it fires from a closed bolt.

Posted by: Chris Morton at May 26, 2013 09:07 AM (uoVFE)

142 Chicago's gun laws are effective; they to exactly what the politicians in the city want them to do. They enable thug politics at the street level. It is hard for the unions to push around an armed populace - so if Chicago didn't have gun control - thug politics would gradually stop working.

The left wants nationwide thug politics with Union goons as enforcers; that can't work without gun control.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 26, 2013 09:12 AM (ylhEn)

143 "138 Need some feedback on a Model 94 in 32 special. Anyone have trouble with these shooting high? 3 of us put enough down range yesterday from 25 & 50 yds. All shots high no matter where the rear sight was adjusted to."

Generally, the Mod 94 in all its original calibers, and the .32 Special is one, would shoot high up to 150 yards if properly sighted. That would be a tad less for the .32 as it drops pretty fast. These guns were made for deer and law enforcement and factory designed for about a 150 yard shot. The iron sights cannot be depressed below the 100 yard mark. Normally a 30-30 for example shoots 2" high at 100 if factory sighted.

Posted by: pat at May 26, 2013 09:13 AM (LLHgu)

144 Nice one Peaches. Got an 870 this week. Hoping to go to my friends tomorrow. He has enough land that we can shoot in his 'backyard. Weather should be perfect for it.

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 09:13 AM (Wl/Ht)

145 Anyone who ever picked up a Tommy gun knows the problem. They are just too heavy.

Posted by: pat at May 26, 2013 09:14 AM (LLHgu)

146 RWC, I cannot wait to move somewhere like that. Living in the city and having to drive 20 miles to an indoor range or 40 miles to an outdoor range is a giant pain in the ass. Have fun!!

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2013 09:16 AM (8lmkt)

147 "9 My oldest stepson is currently trying his hardest to hook up with a bartender. He took her shooting and now she wants a pistol of her own. She wants a Glock .40SW, full size. I told him not to tell her he owns a teeny Taurus .22LR. Hee hee!

Posted by: EC at May 26, 2013 10:06 AM (doBIb)"

In an act of loving kindness, you could buy yourself an appropriately impressive handgun and allow him to use it to impress her. Both he and your wife should be impressed by your thoughtfulness and devotion to family.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at May 26, 2013 09:24 AM (31Nrp)

148 "... The Sgt. Said that by the time he reached the right side of the group, the rounds would be hitting at chest level due to the rise."

Yeah, I have never fired on another human in anger, but I am a total .45acp nut all the way. Everything I have ever fired likes to kick up and to the right. The closest thing I have to that grease gun is a camp Marlin in .45acp. Hard to keep it on target if you are firing fast.

Posted by: navybrat at May 26, 2013 09:27 AM (/jfVj)

149 146 RWC, I cannot wait to move somewhere like that. Living in the city and having to drive 20 miles to an indoor range or 40 miles to an outdoor range is a giant pain in the ass. Have fun!! Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2013 01:16 PM (8lmkt) I'll try

Thing is, I live 20 minutes outside DC, he lives 20 more minutes from me. location, location, location. (helps that his closest neighbors are all shooters as well.). Closest indoor one is run/owned by a TFG supporter so if I don't have to go there I won't.

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 09:34 AM (Wl/Ht)

150 If memory serves, the M-3 was described as "a wire, a spring, and a prayer". It was intended to be a counterpart of the Sten or the German Schmeisser, but did inspire a guy named Ingram to come up with a better weapon.

Posted by: formwiz at May 26, 2013 09:35 AM (Kv1kb)

151 143 thanks Pat. That explains it. Appreciate the feedback/explanation

Posted by: scampydog at May 26, 2013 09:36 AM (LIMFd)

152 Now off to purchase the 1st and 2nd season of this little known show- 'Game of Thrones.'. Ya'll heard about it?

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 09:36 AM (Wl/Ht)

153 Game of Thrones, when somebody ever figures out wtf is going on with that show, please let me know, in 100 words or less.

Posted by: navybrat at May 26, 2013 09:49 AM (/jfVj)

154 I'll add this with Taro ; I went through this NRA argument with some guys at work a few years back. I had REAL heartburn about Reid (and still do) and the marketing stuff they do, but really, the NRA is what it is.

It serves us well and I have no doubt, if not for their political clout and high number of members, the anti-gun nuts would have us in a very compromised position. The number of states that have actively endorsed gun-rights for their citizens and affirming the 2nd amendment , esp recently, is no accident. These pols need support and if there wasn't a strong NRA, it would be too easy to pick 'em off.

So I'll support the NRA (lifer) warts and all. Purity is rare. There is more good there than bad and too many not only don't like the NRA, if you ask 'em, they'll admit they don't join anything ever cause nothing is good enough for them.

Posted by: Yip at May 26, 2013 09:49 AM (/jHWN)

155 153 Game of Thrones, when somebody ever figures out wtf is going on with that show, please let me know, in 100 words or less. Posted by: navybrat at May 26, 2013 01:49 PM (/jfVj) Dany is hot. I have 97 words left

Posted by: RWC at May 26, 2013 10:00 AM (Wl/Ht)

156 I can see how the NRAs argument for supporting certain democrats used to work, but I'm wondering if it still does. In Colorado this year, all the gun bills went through on a straight party line vote. If that becomes the norm everywhere, how is it good for them to support any democrat?

In any case, I'm not a big believer in purity tests. I will continue to support them. Wish they would review their policy though, in light of a changed world.

Posted by: Me, just me at May 26, 2013 10:19 AM (MDQQ7)

157 @156 I think it is clear that Colorado is an outlier from the rest of the middle of the country on guns. Clearly infected from Bolder and all the Californians that have moved in.

Just like some say they liked Chicago being a good example of failed gun policy to point to, I think Colorado being hijacked by the left will serve it's purpose for the surrounding states... who have all doubled down on gun rights... at least Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. It's a shame Colorado went the way they did, but I'd like to think it's not a political issue settled.. just in flux.

Posted by: Yip at May 26, 2013 10:37 AM (/jHWN)

158 @141. My dad must have had the A1. He mentioned having to cock it that way. I assumed it was just an old gun, and the charging handle was missing.

Posted by: elliot at May 26, 2013 10:48 AM (XbVvw)

159 The M3 "Grease Gun" originally came with the cocking handle, which you see here. Later versions (M3A1) omitted the cocking handle (which was prone to break) and required the user to insert his fingers into the breach and push the bolt back to the locking position. Most of the original Grease Gun mechanisms that were returned to the armory had the housings swapped out and became the -A1 model.

Some tanker and engineer units used the M3 Grease Gun up through the First Gulf War.

Posted by: d_fitz at May 26, 2013 11:38 AM (FtHwG)

160 Ok, so I guess everything else that happened is OK, because we still have our guns. Gotcha.
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No, there are other organizations for the other stuff. And we've got two terms of the Obama Shit Sandwich precisely because of uncompromising purity testers who dismissed our imperfect candidates like they dismiss the NRA.

I honestly don't understand this desire to turn the NRA into an all-purpose conservative PAC. It's not their goddamn raison-dete.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 26, 2013 12:46 PM (celt+)

161 gingerzzzz....

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2013 12:49 PM (yh0zB)

162 Congrats on your new acquisition Taro. I have a T30 carbine. Can't shoot it for shit, but it's a neat piece. FWIW, learn to reload for it, you will save tons (Grafs and Sons has the best price for ammo that I've found so far).

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2013 12:51 PM (yh0zB)

163 And now...off to get ready for work, what a hell of a way to have to make a living...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2013 12:51 PM (yh0zB)

164 I took a long slow look and close examination of the weapons in question and realized its of those crazed insane killing machines that are likely to commit mass murders like a crazed and insane SUV. They could go off at any moment and kill us all ! Can you FEEL THE RAW NAKED FEAR ? We need to make an emergency call to the RELIGION OF PEACE to come and save us ! Anybody got a emergency messiah number handy ?

Posted by: ron n. at May 26, 2013 01:05 PM (6fvl0)

165 6.5 Jap at seventeen running through South Georgia woods for hogs was one of an old man's life expierience.

Posted by: Mandrill Redass at May 26, 2013 02:58 PM (lT6go)

166 To summarize: Colin Powell is not a great man of history; only his being black compels others to give him the aura of being a great man of the Republic. He is not a bad man, seems a good man, but increasingly, gives no indication of being a wise man. Posted by: T. at May 26, 2013 11:12 AM (bAKC/) Very solidly written post and summarizes, to a degree, how I feel about Colin Powell. His schmoozing with Louis Farrakhan during the 2012 Democratic convention reduced him in my eyes even further. As an aside, I recently purchased an AMT Backup .45 and took it to the range yesterday for the first time, after giving it a fluff and buff on the rails and the feed ramp and replacing and polishing various parts and springs. Made specifically for law enforcement as a backup in the 80's and 90's, it's an awesome little stainless steel semiautomatic (one of the smallest .45 ACPs ever made). Gun boards are filled with posters saying how awful it is, how incredibly ridiculous the trigger pull is, how it has no sights, etc. Yes, the trigger is 17 lbs., but there's no creep and (to me) it was just fine for a DAO pistol--but then, I grew up learning how to shoot with revolvers, many of which had strong double-action triggers. And the lack of sights? You're using a gun like this at 7 yards or less, probably in a low light situation. Point and shoot. If you're taking the time to take a stance and find the sights under those circumstances, you're already dead. What those guys were saying was the AMT Backup .45 is a lousy range pistol, and they're right, it is. My hand is still feeling the effects of shooting a large caliber from a small frame. But as a compact heavy hitter that barely prints, it proved to be exactly what I've been looking for.

Posted by: troyriser at May 26, 2013 03:48 PM (ptcFO)

167 Is it safe to guess that Reid is off the NRA endorsement list now?

Posted by: Goatweed at May 26, 2013 11:09 PM (8HrdX)

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