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July 21, 2013

Gun Thread 7/21/2013
— Pixy Misa

Stand Your Ground On Stand Your Ground Laws

Charles C.W. Cooke, who is tied with Jonah Goldberg as my favorite NRO writer, has written another enjoyable piece. The topic is the media's current infatuation with Stand Your Ground Laws.

In essence, Â“Stand Your GroundÂ” is a blanket term for any legal regime in which individuals do not have a duty to run away in the event that they are attacked. In states with such systems, juries are not expected to consider whether an individual could feasibly have retreated before resorting to violence in his defense; in states that do not, juries must inquire as to his chance of safely fleeing. In other words, in most of the country the Castle Doctrine has been extended to the village.

Jacob Sullum of Reason also wrote an article explaining why the Zimmerman case had nothing to do with Florida's Stand Your Ground law.

Andrew Branca Participates On NPR Zimmerman Panel

Andrew Branca, author of the book The Law Of Self Defense, has been covering the Zimmerman trail for Legal Insurrection. Recently, he was asked to participate in a panel discussion on gun rights and the Zimmerman case.

You can follow Andrew Branca on twitter here.

Gun Of The Week

(answer below) Colorado Recall Of Two State Senators To Proceed

A Denver judge Thursday ruled petitions submitted to oust a pair of Democratic senators from office are valid, a pivotal ruling that sets in motion Colorado's first-ever recall election of state lawmakers.
"The petitions here substantially comply with law," Denver District Court Judge Robert Hyatt said in his oral decision from the bench. "Recalls are a fundamental right of Colorado citizens."

The special election will take place September 10th. Be sure to turn out and vote if you live in either of their districts. It is important that our elected officials know there are consequences for restricting our access to firearms.

Marksmanship Of The Week Award

Hero of the Day - Oklahoma: Owasso homeowner shoots man during break-in - http://t.co/5Bspq6C1Et #NRA #ArmedCitizen (via @TulsaWorld)
— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) July 16, 2013

Gun Of The Week Answer
That piece of crap is the French Chauchat (pronoucned sho-sho) machine gun. It is generally accepted to be one of the worst machine guns ever put into service. Don't take my word for it, take R. Lee Ermey's.

Why You Should Teach Your Kids About Gun Safety If You Own A Gun

This girl is unbelievably lucky she didn't blow her own head off. She violated every rule of gun safety. If you own a gun and have kids, you should teach them about gun safety. You can't just depend on the safe, trigger lock, safety, or that shoe box on the top shelf of your closet. Kids have a way of getting into their parents' things.

Tips

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1 But the liberals keep telling me that SYG just means racist white people get to shoot random black people without consequence. I'm so confused...

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 05:39 AM (NEIxp)

2 I got to look Michael Moore's divorce papers.
It seems his wife was afraid he was going to eat her, and there had been "incidents" in the past.

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at July 21, 2013 05:41 AM (8lB0x)

3 Nice to see you again Ben

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 05:42 AM (zOTsN)

4 It seems his wife was afraid he was going to eat her, and there had been "incidents" in the past. She was routinely awakened by him nibbling her toes?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 05:42 AM (NEIxp)

5 For those who might care, AIM Surplus has Magpul GEN M3 30rd PMAG for $14.20 http://is.gd/iQzIJb

Posted by: toby928© at July 21, 2013 05:45 AM (QupBk)

6 LOL, Ben, I'm glad I have TinyUrl set up to preview, not take me directly to the link.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 21, 2013 05:46 AM (SUKHu)

7 Don't ruin it for everyone Mama AJ

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2013 05:47 AM (xTHBC)

8 Thanks, Ben.

Posted by: Andy at July 21, 2013 05:49 AM (se4AB)

9 "If you notice any spell or grammar errors in this post..." Well, "spelling" not "spell."

Posted by: My Inner 7th Grade Schoolmarm at July 21, 2013 05:51 AM (EYfcP)

10 That girl was damn close to winning a Darwin Award. Does anybody know what language she's speaking?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 05:51 AM (NEIxp)

11 Sure thing Andy.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2013 05:52 AM (xTHBC)

12 Author Brad Thor, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, and Guns Save Lives are all offering to replace GZ's firearm.

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 05:53 AM (zpNwC)

13 Liberals teach abstinence with guns, but safety for sex. They always get it backwards.

Posted by: Big Ben at July 21, 2013 05:53 AM (I5Htn)

14 @10 The video is identified as being from Santiago, Chile.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2013 05:53 AM (xTHBC)

15 12 Author Brad Thor, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, and Guns Save Lives are all offering to replace GZ's firearm. It's things like that which keep me from giving up all hope for America.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 05:54 AM (NEIxp)

16 Glad that Andrew pointed out how much the DA's closing sucked.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 05:54 AM (cjFRv)

17 14 @10 The video is identified as being from Santiago, Chile. Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2013 09:53 AM (xTHBC) Ah. Thanks Ben.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 05:54 AM (NEIxp)

18 Filling in? Posting early? Andy's not going to be pleased. We are.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 21, 2013 05:55 AM (wR+pz)

19 Barky could never be like Traybon. Do you really think he would run out of weed and have to drink robitussin.

Posted by: Big Ben at July 21, 2013 05:56 AM (I5Htn)

20 I first heard about how shitty that Chauchat was in Anton Myers Once and Eagle.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 05:56 AM (lZvxr)

21 "Charles C.W. Cooke, who is tied with Jonah Goldberg as my favorite NRO writer"

Why? Throughout this whole ordeal Cooke kept insisting that Zimmerman did something wrong by trying to protect his neighborhood. Fuck Cooke and his European sensitivities.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2013 05:57 AM (Fz2C7)

22 "Why You Should Teach Your Kids About Gun Safety If You Own A Gun" That video made me so nervous I only made it half way through.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 21, 2013 05:58 AM (X6akg)

23 I love how lefties think dead innocent people are better than dead bad guys.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 05:58 AM (cjFRv)

24 I actually owned a "shosho" for a brief period of time. Ir was a demil, with welded chamber and defaced blt head. It begged the question "why even bother to demil it?". I sold it to a guy who had a huge collection. Within that, he had a large number of French guns. He always brought up the point that French guns are like their cars. You look them over, and go, wow, thats clever, or innovative, and then you hit a brick wall and say "what the fuck did they do that for". There is nothing clever or innovative about a Chauchat.

Posted by: Bill at July 21, 2013 05:58 AM (uvyrw)

25 I'm still astounded by those on the Right who keep insisting that Zimmerman was stupid to get out of his truck the night of the shooting. A free man has the right to walk the streets of his own neighborhood without fear of assault. These guys keep suggesting that the thugs have the right to veto our freedom, and I'm never going to buy that.

Posted by: toby928© at July 21, 2013 05:58 AM (QupBk)

26 @13- Big Ben Early nomination. A nice relaxed shot, squeezed off between the heartbeats, if ever I saw one.

Posted by: ghost of... at July 21, 2013 05:58 AM (h1gQR)

27 It's a nice little feat the racists in Florida have pulled: Convince the blacks that it is anti-racism to make it easier to lock up more blacks. I mean, if you were a racist and you wanted to put more black men in prison, what better way than to remove laws protecting self-defense or lowering the burden of proof?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2013 05:58 AM (VjL9S)

28 Courier-Journal: Guns & suicide | Experts look to education, not gun laws http://tinyurl.com/lltx2hm

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 05:58 AM (zpNwC)

29 How does the nutty professor know George would be alive today if he was not armed? That's bullshit. This guy says don't be emotional and then goes all touchy feely.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 05:59 AM (cjFRv)

30 A question for the legal Morons here: Going only on the evidence presented in the Zimmerman trial, if GZ hadn't shot him could St. Trayvon have been convicted of a crime? Like assault or assault and battery, or attempted murder even? This is what drives me nuts about all this crap. Trayvon. Martin. Assaulted. An. Armed. Man. And in so doing discovered the truth of the old saying that "God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal".

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 21, 2013 06:01 AM (0qalu)

31 25 I'm still astounded by those on the Right who keep insisting that Zimmerman was stupid to get out of his truck the night of the shooting. I had a similar argument with someone who is normally imbued with common sense, but who had the facts of the Zimmerman case all ass-backward. It's disgusting the amount of misinformation and disinformation the media put out there.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 06:01 AM (NEIxp)

32 Barky could never be like Trayvon because he woudl have to physically fight. And St Skittles liked the wimmenz.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 06:02 AM (N+013)

33 Did that girl put the magazine back in the gun after she accidentally fired it? It sure looked like it.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 06:02 AM (sdi6R)

34 Most States that allowed people to have a gun at all had those "must flee if possible" laws for a long time. The States in the South had them but generally did not enforce them to a great extent. And in the South, if someone came into your house the only requirement was that the body hit the floor still inside the house.

The voters started getting fed u with that and that is when we started getting "must issue" and "stand your ground". That is except in those liberal dominated Northern States whether they WOULD rather see a dead innocent than a dead criminal.

After all, that is their major voting block.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 06:02 AM (lZvxr)

35 The story could have easily been " Local Man Found Dead, Local Teen Apprehended"

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 06:02 AM (zOTsN)

36 Gun safety? My first task, as the very young child of a gun owner, was to learn (and demonstrate) the safe and sure steps to UNLOADING every weapon in his collection. Even those that, because of age and/or rarity, were never loaded, much less fired.

I still instinctively check every gun I touch.

P.S. We didn't have a "gun safe," trigger locks or any of that stuff the do-gooders think is essential. I was so well indoctrinated that I wouldn't even point a toy gun at any of the other kids when we were playing "war."

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2013 06:02 AM (/RIVS)

37 33 Did that girl put the magazine back in the gun after she accidentally fired it? It sure looked like it. Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 10:02 AM (sdi6R) I think so. Weird reaction.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 06:03 AM (NEIxp)

38 Maybe, if violence wasn't so permissible in black culture, Trayvon Martin would be alive today? Shit, remember when there was a rash of Bum Fights video on FB except they weren't bum's but black toddlers with their creepy ass mothers egging them on to hit the other kid in diapers?

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:03 AM (cjFRv)

39 Going only on the evidence presented in the Zimmerman trial, if GZ hadn't shot him could St. Trayvon have been convicted of a crime? Like assault or assault and battery, or attempted murder even? Absolutely.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:04 AM (cjFRv)

40 37 33 Did that girl put the magazine back in the gun after she accidentally fired it? It sure looked like it. Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 10:02 AM (sdi6R) I think so. Weird reaction. Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 10:03 AM (NEIxp) I would have expected her to fling it across the room.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 06:05 AM (sdi6R)

41 Good morning rons, another glorious day in the south, let's shoot something.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:05 AM (XIxXP)

42 Probably not attempted murder but aggravated assault.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:05 AM (cjFRv)

43 I had a similar argument with someone who is normally imbued with common sense, but who had the facts of the Zimmerman case all ass-backward. It's disgusting the amount of misinformation and disinformation the media put out there.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 10:01 AM (NEIxp)

And they are still pumping it out. This morning Fox ran with a St Trayvon article again using the picture of him as a child.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 06:06 AM (lZvxr)

44 That young girl playing with that sidearm, scared the beejesus out of me. When I was a kid, they had guns laying all around, all loaded. I was taught rather harshly at a young age (even before I could speak I think) not to ever touch them. Most likely not the ideal parenting with respect to firearms, but I survived. They made me shoot my first pistol at age 4 (a, 22 revolver). I did not want too , it was very heavy and extremely loud to me at the time. I cried alot. But I took to those guns like a duck to water after that. Thank God everyone in my house is an adult, has at least 1 gun, knows firearms safety and not to play with them. They are not toys for sure.

Posted by: Sgt._Eric_Holder_Schultz at July 21, 2013 06:06 AM (mVA93)

45 My children are part of the family quick reactio force. They have a post and a sector to defend.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:07 AM (XIxXP)

46 Ted Cruz to be on Snoffelgoppelgus soon.

Posted by: ghost of... at July 21, 2013 06:07 AM (h1gQR)

47 TM mom gave him to his dad when he was 3. He the lived with an aunt and uncle, a brother and SIL. He wasn't living with his dad at the time of his death, he was visiting. Seems to me no one raised him, he was passed around. Now his parents set up this foundation and seem to want to profit from his death. It's not race, it is the total collapse of the family.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 06:09 AM (zOTsN)

48 Posted by: Nighthawk at July 21, 2013 10:01 AM (0qalu)

As I understand the FL assault laws he could have been charged with aggravated assault as long as he didn't kill Zimmerman.

That would probably have been plea-bargained down to misdemeanor simple assault and he would have got off with a "warning".

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 06:09 AM (lZvxr)

49 David T Hardy: Why Gun Owners Are Right to Fight Against Gun Control http://tinyurl.com/ocvuebm It runs in the same vein as Lawdog's "it's not compromise" post. http://tinyurl.com/azkv3xp

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 06:10 AM (zpNwC)

50 Now his parents set up this foundation and seem to want to profit from his death. It's not race, it is the total collapse of the family. They are going to profit from his death.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:10 AM (XIxXP)

51 It's only natural to trademark your child's name after he gets killed.

Posted by: toby928© at July 21, 2013 06:11 AM (QupBk)

52 Ted Cruz to be on Snoffelgoppelgus soon. Posted by: ghost of... at July 21, 2013 10:07 AM

Good for him.

Does anyone still think that letting some liberal weenie control the conversation is ever beneficial? Even if he says something sensible (likely), the way that little shit Georgie-Porgy twists Cruz's words makes the whole thing useless.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2013 06:12 AM (/RIVS)

53 Barky could never be like Trayvon because Trabon was staying at his daddy's house.

Posted by: Big Ben at July 21, 2013 06:12 AM (I5Htn)

54 Now his parents set up this foundation and seem to want to profit from his death. It's not race, it is the total collapse of the family. The whole thing is sick and ghoulish.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 06:13 AM (NEIxp)

55 Actually, this was the first Gun of the Week that I correctly guessed. I didn't remember the name, but thought, "That's the crappy French machine gun from WWI."

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 06:13 AM (sdi6R)

56 I don't know what TMs life would have been if he had real parents. But most people without them don't do so well. And now their abandonment and neglect is ignored and they are elevated in status and wealth because he died. Sickening really.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 06:13 AM (zOTsN)

57 Does anyone still think that letting some liberal weenie control the conversation is ever beneficial? Even if he says something sensible (likely), the way that little shit Georgie-Porgy twists Cruz's words makes the whole thing useless. Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2013 10:12 AM (/RIVS) No, and that's why I won't be watching.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:13 AM (XIxXP)

58 When will stop hearing about GZ? When they lock up Sharpton? How can Comcast allow a fucking race baiter as a PAID commentator?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 21, 2013 06:14 AM (wR+pz)

59 of course I should be able to shoot someone else SYG will PREVENT a lot of bar fights, and yes even fights in hockey games

Posted by: occam at July 21, 2013 06:14 AM (fGLt1)

60 Probably not attempted murder but aggravated assault. Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 10:05 AM (cjFRv) ======== That's what I thought- so why all the BS? For reasons I won't go into I don't get along with one of my neighbors, but despite our mutual dislike if I walk up to him in the street, bust him in the nose, and pummel him on the sidewalk I think I would (rightly) go to prison. So what's the difference? Don't answer that, I just got back from church and don't want to rage-stroke out of a state of grace...

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 21, 2013 06:15 AM (0qalu)

61 I'm sure Mama Trayvon is going to be trotted out to every gun control circle jerk just as Gabbie Giffords has been

She'll be provided with an anti-gun stump speech and will shed a tear, then she'll sell commemorative hoodies out of her car in the parking lot after the show

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 06:15 AM (8sCoq)

62 "He the lived with an aunt and uncle, a brother and SIL. He wasn't living with his dad at the time of his death, he was visiting."

And all you heard from the Press is how "dignified" the parents were. Seem to me that this father, Tracy, used women all his life to support his worthless ass. And the mother didn't even know her son. And George Zimmerman is the bad guy.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2013 06:15 AM (Fz2C7)

63 Suppose they gave a protest and no one came. Now the media is fixated on Kate and her baby. Starve you mewling agitators of discord.

For gratuitous gun pr0n, go see RED2. Will not be disappointed.

The only good thing about the Sho-Sho was it could be cannibalized of its parts to make a still. Bad things - it seemed each was a unique creation so parts might not interchange to make one work and the see through banana magazine allowed the trench mud to get in.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 21, 2013 06:16 AM (3OdoB)

64 TM was thrown away by his family IMHO

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 06:16 AM (zOTsN)

65 This guy rosen is an asshole. If you look at the data unemotionally.... And then he ends almost in tears and says it's a moral matter. Yeah right.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:17 AM (cjFRv)

66 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 21, 2013 10:16 AM (3OdoB) Good mornin AP, had a great conversation with Ammo Dump, very nice man.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:17 AM (XIxXP)

67 Anna, that scene, Helen in the blue sports car.....OMFG

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 06:18 AM (zOTsN)

68 22 that's nothing! I saw a couple riding their bikes to the beach this am, the dad was pulling a about 6 year old girl in one of those kid trailer things. Which with Wilmington NC drivers (transplanted Yankees) is far more dangerous than a kid with a gun. Speaking of kid with gun. The local news had a segment on a ducks unlimited event teaching kids to shoot safely, MY DOCTOR was the lead guy for it. Guess I don't have to worry about him asking me about "guns in my home," unless he is seeing if there are any he would like to shoot.

Posted by: traye at July 21, 2013 06:20 AM (lOpPd)

69 I've been considering the purchase of a Remington 887, but my friends advise against it. Would the 870 tactical be a better choice (save $100) or the Winchester Defender (save more).

I've looked at the H ampersand K 'partner' and see at least one low quality brazed joint that should be welded or solid.

I prefer the 887 except for the kludgy way the magazine tube is extended.
Comments welcome, thank you and have a nice day.

Posted by: coléreux at July 21, 2013 06:21 AM (TBKqw)

70 How can Comcast allow a fucking race baiter as a PAID commentator?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 21, 2013 10:14 AM

How can the United States allow a fucking race-baiter as president?

And that's one of his less felonious traits....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2013 06:21 AM (/RIVS)

71 David Hardy on WaPo's Four reasons why "stand your ground will not be repealed." http://tinyurl.com/m938znt

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 06:21 AM (zpNwC)

72 @52- Maybe Mr S. We'll see. It'll be interesting to see how Sen. Cruz handles himself in the belly of the beast. BTW- it's on but muted till then. Panel full of worthless, commie, talking head whores,,, or worse.

Posted by: ghost of... at July 21, 2013 06:21 AM (L7JQT)

73 Barky could never be like Trayvon because Trabon was staying at his daddy's house. @Big Ben Yow! Bonus points for novelty! Hadn't seen that thought before.

Posted by: My Inner 7th Grade Schoolmarm at July 21, 2013 06:23 AM (rSIYI)

74 I get updates on the webs from Valhalla Armory, saw something I have never seen, a 60 round AR mag by surefire. It's like a thirty only narrow at the top then expands to side by side. Anyone heve experiance with these before I plop down 129.95?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:23 AM (XIxXP)

75 Mmmhmm, Michael Moore is single and I'm ready to mingle. I wonderif he enjoys snorting rat poison and Benadryl also.

Posted by: Occamzzzz at July 21, 2013 06:24 AM (Aif/5)

76 Mmmhmm, Michael Moore is single and I'm ready to mingle. I wonderif he enjoys snorting rat poison and Benadryl also. Posted by: Occamzzzz at July 21, 2013 10:24 AM (Aif/5) No, he can afford good coke and name brand cereals.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:26 AM (XIxXP)

77 Heading to NC mountains for a week. I am staying on the best trout stream I have ever seen (east coast) and about a half mile from an outdoor rifle range. Jealous morons

Posted by: traye at July 21, 2013 06:26 AM (lOpPd)

78 OSP, so after the conversation did Ammo Dump run screaming into the night?

Yeah back to writing today for me.

Thunderb, save the An-12 Cub the whole movie was a good riot. Anthony Hopkins is a right proper mad scientist. Helen Mirren raving like she is the Queen of England was funny. Malkovitch is still quirky and the people of Moldova appreciate it. That entire car scene with the chase, the explosions, the crazy driving, and crazy shooting was certainly worth the price of admission itself.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 21, 2013 06:27 AM (3OdoB)

79 I now have the period correct sling on the new/old Mauser Chileo Modelo 1895. If the blog software wasn't as old as the Mauser I would link a pic.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 21, 2013 06:28 AM (dQa4Q)

80 Heading to NC mountains for a week. I am staying on the best trout stream I have ever seen (east coast) and about a half mile from an outdoor rifle range. Jealous morons Posted by: traye at July 21, 2013 10:26 AM (lOpPd) I know where a militia traing facility is a ways outside ashville.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:28 AM (XIxXP)

81 @ 72 -- I have gotten as cranky as Vic chasing yoots off his lawn. I don't want to adopt or accept the Poppin' Fresh method of giggling and tittering at the left and/or the fuckwits allegedly on "our side" anymore. I want them cut off from all access to any communications media anywhere.

Actually, I want worse to happen, but I ain't gonna say.

I'm turning into one of those "purists" that Our Betters are always criticizing. Granted, the LOTEs are indeed better than the filth the Democrats ladle out to us, but the LOTEs are also losing more and more elections. It's time to put them all on the shelf, as they are doing nearly as much damage to the country as the Choom Brigade.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2013 06:28 AM (/RIVS)

82 It almost looked like rain but now it is clearing up

It drizzled a couple of weeks ago. It woke me up because it is such an unusual sound.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:30 AM (cjFRv)

83 TM was thrown away by his family IMHO -------------- Damn, just because I didn't notice he was missing for almost two days.

Posted by: Tracy Martin at July 21, 2013 06:30 AM (Aif/5)

84 Ft Collins held their 'trayvon' rally yesterday

Crowd estimate: 3

http://is.gd/1xQnsp

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 06:30 AM (8sCoq)

85 OSP, so after the conversation did Ammo Dump run screaming into the night? Yeah back to writing today for me. I'm gonna send you an E-mail.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:31 AM (XIxXP)

Don't know much about guns or their designs. Saw that GoTW and thought, "man, that is one stupid looking ugly piece." Then read it was French. Figures.

France - known for beautiful women and tasty food, sucky cars and guns.

BTW, the howler monkeys over at HuffPo and DKos are besides themselves commenting on the TM demonstrations, SYG laws, and Civil Rights justice for St. Skittles from the chinless one.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 21, 2013 06:32 AM (BAS5M)

The parents of the girl in that video should have to watch the video while being horse whipped. And the girl should have to watch them take it.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 06:33 AM (A9hpr)

88 Show of hands - if Trayvon's next punch had killed Zimmerman - everyone who thinks he would have hung around for the police to show up...

Ok - everyone who think that the police would have tried very hard to find out who it was who killed Zimmerman...

Ok - everyone who thinks if the fight had ended that way it would have ever made more than page six in the local news paper...

Here is a hint for perspective jurors: when there is a stranger on stranger killing and the person who did it hangs around for the police to show up - it probably was self defense; murderers generally try to hide from the consequences of their actions.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 21, 2013 06:33 AM (ylhEn)

89 Did anyone see Black Five's Uncle Jimbo tearing apart Gaylord Focker on Stand Your Ground?
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/07/obama-misarticulates-self-defense.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 21, 2013 06:34 AM (3OdoB)

90 I know where a militia traing facility is a ways outside ashville. : Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 10:28 AM (XIxXP) I am a subversive from way back. I got my training from the US government.

Posted by: traye at July 21, 2013 06:34 AM (lOpPd)

91 I've been considering the purchase of a Remington 887, but my friends advise against it. Would the 870 tactical be a better choice (save $100) or the Winchester Defender (save more).

I've looked at the H ampersand K 'partner' and see at least one low quality brazed joint that should be welded or solid.

I prefer the 887 except for the kludgy way the magazine tube is extended.
Comments welcome, thank you and have a nice day.

Posted by: colÃ©reux at July 21, 2013 10:21 AM (TBKqw)

I have an 870 pump and a 1100 auto. You can pay more for a shotgun but you will not find one any better.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 06:34 AM (lZvxr)

92 That whole not claimed or found for 3 days was some fiction Sharpton made up for some reason. Took father 16 hours to ask about him. Fathers online name is fruit. Fruit was texting about getting TM a gun in the days leading up to his death.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 06:35 AM (zOTsN)

93 Crap. Recorded, not live. Did pretty well but, Ted, you'll have to learn not to do that lest you get Palinized by an editor.

Posted by: ghost of... at July 21, 2013 06:35 AM (QbKVX)

94 My dad always had guns. He traded them, bought them, sold them, just like people did in the bad old days when we didn't have politicians blatantly trying to subvert the Constitution. I fired a gun for the first time at 4 or 5 years of age and we were taught how to handle guns and how to shoot. My father impressed upon me and my brothers that his guns were not toys, not to be played with and not ours and that if we bothered his guns, we would be beaten like red-headed stepchildren and he meant it. My younger brother and I, at least, did not touch Dad's guns. I can't say for sure about my older brother, but he is still alive, so maybe he didn't bother them, too. We did occasionally open the closet door and stare at them, though.

Posted by: huerfano at July 21, 2013 06:35 AM (bAGA/)

95 Chauchat...prounounced Sho-shat. I can guess how they got the name for that POS. They sho'd it to the enemy and they shat their pants laughing.

Posted by: Berserker at July 21, 2013 06:38 AM (FMbng)

96 77 Heading to NC mountains for a week. I am staying on the best trout stream I have ever seen (east coast) and about a half mile from an outdoor rifle range. Well, my stocked trout on 6 miles of the Yadkin River, will take you on any time. Be CAREFUL. We have had a lot of rain and the rivers are way up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 21, 2013 06:38 AM (wR+pz)

97 84 Ft Collins held their 'trayvon' rally yesterday Crowd estimate: 3 http://is.gd/1xQnsp Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 10:30 AM (8sCoq) Ft Collins must be in the sane part of Colorado.

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 06:38 AM (zpNwC)

98 I have an 870 pump and a 1100 auto. You can pay more for a shotgun but you will not find one any better. Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 10:34 AM (lZvxr) I took a $280 870, and made a really nice tactical shotgun after spending an extra $600 on parts.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 21, 2013 06:38 AM (XIxXP)

99 The lefty rosen also talked about ill trained people with guns. Well, George sought training on how to use a gun and when it was/was not appropriate. And they tried to use it against him... Leftys are full of shit.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:39 AM (cjFRv)

100 >Ft Collins must be in the sane part of Colorado.

No, they're pretty blue up there

they did have a topless donut shop a few years ago, but it got closed down

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 06:40 AM (8sCoq)

101 The Columbia Democrat PR rag claimed there were between 5,000 and 7,000 that showed up at the Columbia Trayvon rally. But they are known liars.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 06:41 AM (lZvxr)

102

Good Morning all-

I don't think this guy had a very wise Stand Your Ground strategy:

http://tinyurl.com/k5jplvn

You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2013 06:41 AM (pxDth)

103 Stand your ground, Tiger. Make that par!

Posted by: big fat meanie at July 21, 2013 06:41 AM (tWrwm)

104 86 Other than their pastries French food is overrated. People only think it's good because the English and their food are right across the water.

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 06:42 AM (zpNwC)

105 I was wrong about Ft Collins

in Presidential elections since 2000, the congressional district that includes Ft Collins voted Bush Bush McCain Romney, and their current Congressman is a republican

We regret the error. The persons responsible have been sacked. And the persons who sacked the persons that were sacked, have been sacked.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 06:44 AM (8sCoq)

106

This is why we own guns:

"Motorcyclist turns tables on ~~would-be robbers~~ two youths who were trying to turn their lives around near Colorado Springs"

(Headline edited for accuracy)

http://tinyurl.com/k46f64p

My wife asked me if this was Jones in CO. Heh.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2013 06:46 AM (pxDth)

107 I believe it was only an hour or two after getting the report from the father, that the Sanford PD went to the gf's house to inform the father of his death.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:46 AM (cjFRv)

108

As of today, I have put 500+ rounds down range with the RIA 1911A1. Tore it down and looked at it closely and only found very superficial polishing. Shoots well with no FTE as long as long as its fed with 230 grain Winchester or Federal. It doesn't care for lesser brands. Best $485 I've spent on guns in a long time.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 06:47 AM (KuUy9)

109 >My wife asked me if this was Jones in CO. Heh.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 21, 2013 10:46 AM (pxDth)

Jones in CO often rides with a 9mm in an ankle holster

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 06:47 AM (8sCoq)

110 Thank you M. Vic
The H and K was within my price range, but once disassembled it was a disappointment.

The Mossberg 550 was also considered as a rifled barrel can be procured thus enabling the use of sabot rounds. Those sabot rounds were the only ammunition available locally for a time, as apparently most shotguns already in private hands are smooth bore.

Should normalcy ever return. it will be truly welcome. Unless, of course, what we have now is the new normal.

Posted by: coléreux at July 21, 2013 06:48 AM (TBKqw)

111 That girl was damn close to winning a Darwin Award. Does anybody know what language she's speaking?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 09:51 AM (NEIxp)

Can't...tell...if...sarcasm?

Posted by: tsrblke at July 21, 2013 06:49 AM (GaqMa)

112 "The persons responsible have been sacked."

I was just thinking this morning, has anybody been fired yet in connection with Fast & Furious, Benghazi, the IRS, the Boston Bombing, etc., etc.? Maybe Issa could hold a few more hearings instead.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2013 06:49 AM (Fz2C7)

113 Quit telling kids to not touch guns. Put it in their hands and teach them to shoot.
Safely and properly.

Posted by: Big Ben at July 21, 2013 06:49 AM (I5Htn)

114 "They have endeavoured to lower wages via illegal importation of workers." "They have debased principles of popular sovereignty by use of and reference to foreign law in court decisions, this law havng no ground to or consent of the people." "They have repeatedly sought to have outside agencies, in part composed of representatives of tyrannical regimes, interfere in affairs of governance, in violation of the Wilsonian right of the people to self-determination."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 06:50 AM (yOvpa)

115 What's in the water in Ohio? Again, there is a serial killer. I wonder if it is going to be another one of these deals where everyone knew he was weird, heard screams in the night, but didn't call the cops because they aren't snitches? Well, Ohio is known as "little Texas" -- I hope the leftards on their SC don't change that.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 06:51 AM (cjFRv)

116

Quit telling kids to not touch guns. Put it in their hands and teach them to shoot.
Safely and properly."

A.Fucking.men. I would only add "...and accurately."

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 06:52 AM (KuUy9)

117 I forget who it was but a company recently tried the whole 'cut in the magazine' thing. Didn't work so well.

Posted by: RWC at July 21, 2013 06:52 AM (8FeS+)

118 "They have required compulsory membership in and payment of monies to politically-involved organizations as a condition of employment."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 06:54 AM (yOvpa)

119 Andy thanks for the Appleseed shout - out. Anyone here interested in a MoronSeed?

Posted by: Steck at July 21, 2013 06:55 AM (nfbr4)

120 Slight rewrite: "They have required compulsory membership in, and payment of monies to, politically-involved organizations as a condition of employment."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 06:56 AM (yOvpa)

121 21 "Charles C.W. Cooke, who is tied with Jonah Goldberg as my favorite NRO writer" Why? Throughout this whole ordeal Cooke kept insisting that Zimmerman did something wrong by trying to protect his neighborhood. Fuck Cooke and his European sensitivities. +1 So sick of Euroweenies lecturing us about our violent culture. The whole fucking world is violent, in one way or another.

Posted by: Gran at July 21, 2013 06:57 AM (0pcT0)

122 115 Why would anyone call Ohio "little Texas"? Seriously, I live there and I find the notion laughable.

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 06:58 AM (zpNwC)

123 Lots of Ford Mustang photos. The Mustang II is not iconic, it should be forgotten. But the 2014 USAF Thunderbirds themed Mustang GT, oh yeah that would be so wicked cool.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/the-iconic-ford-mustang?icid=autos_7000

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 21, 2013 06:59 AM (3OdoB)

124 I'm out- weather forecast is just too good

gonna go 'polish my wheels' IYKWIMAITYD

...with Mother's

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 06:59 AM (8sCoq)

125 119 Andy thanks for the Appleseed shout - out. Anyone here interested in a MoronSeed? Posted by: Steck at July 21, 2013 10:55 AM (nfbr4) Depends on where it is.

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 07:00 AM (zpNwC)

126 There are some good old gold panning sites on/near the Yadkin, but I've never fished it. I suppose it's good for other species than trout, like largemouth, smallmouth, catfish, etc? I keep meaning to try and the wife is going to be gone for a couple weeks soon so I'll have plenty of free time.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2013 07:01 AM (ZshNr)

127 "They have countenanced violence in public demonstrations." "They have countenanced occupation of the grounds of private residences, threatening the peace and security of those residing therein."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 07:01 AM (yOvpa)

128 Where'd occamtard go? You'd think he'd have more Deep Thoughts to share about the danger of SYG and hockey games, unless he realized that line of argument is all pucked up.....

Posted by: Leftcoast on a iPhone at July 21, 2013 07:04 AM (Ap8HT)

129 "They have created divers small and unnecessary armies amongst the constabulary, which have repeatedly, wrongfully, and mistakenly assaulted houses of peceful and nonoffending citizens."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 07:06 AM (yOvpa)

130 Wow. It goes without saying that David Brooks is a completely fucking obtuse, clueless, useless idiot, but g-damn this takes the cake.

He was on MTP talking about Ogabe's speech, in which he inserted himself into the situation and needlessly exacerbated racial tensions, was one of the best orations ever.

In quadrupling down on the stupidity by saying JUST IMAGINE if there was a case where a black man shot an unarmed white kid in self defense it would be a HUGE media story and white folk would be up in arms.

Hey David, you dumb fuck, meet Christopher Cervini http://tinyurl.com/l34ey32

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 21, 2013 07:07 AM (Yhu4q)

131 Book thread up and Oregon Muse has done a Gaylord Focker. Has doubled down on taunting the 'ettes.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 21, 2013 07:07 AM (3OdoB)

132 "http://tinyurl.com/k46f64p" Nicely done Seamus!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 07:07 AM (N+013)

133 River Oaks counter protestors have moved their initial meeting place. HPD originally offered them high school parking lot, but it dawned on them it was so they couldn't carry. Moved the meet up to a public park. Suggested signs are "sorry we had to ruin your New Black Panther Party"

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 07:10 AM (zOTsN)

134 37 33 Did that girl put the magazine back in the gun after she accidentally fired it? It sure looked like it. Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 10:02 AM (sdi6R) I think so. Weird reaction. Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2013 10:03 AM (NEIxp) I think she put the mag back in because she was going to put it back where it belonged and didn't want dad to know she'd been fucking with it. when she dropped the mag I involuntarily said " There's still one in the pipe, sweety.." BANG!

Posted by: Weirddave at July 21, 2013 07:10 AM (aH+zP)

135 Jones in CO often rides with a 9mm in an ankle holster Posted by: Jones in CO at July 21, 2013 10:47 AM (8sCoq) That's a BIG weapon for an ankle holster.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 21, 2013 07:11 AM (wR+pz)

136 "They have consistently overcharged citizens under indictment in order to functionally remove rights to trial by jury, by making the risk of conviction too high in relation to the actual crime."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 07:12 AM (yOvpa)

137 To really blow the media narrative out of the water Zimmerman should publicly state that he takes offense at being called a "white" Hispanic as he is biracial like Obama and no one ever prefaces the president as being a "white" African.

I cannot fathom how infringing on the inalienable right to self defense and making it harder for minorities to defend themselves from crime and in court from prosecution is supposedly strengthening civil rights. This whole incident is nothing more than a gun grab and a legal framework to keep the underclass permanently under the heels of the professional agitators.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 21, 2013 07:12 AM (KCvsd)

138 "HPD originally offered them high school parking lot, but it dawned on them it was so they couldn't carry." Seriously? I guess you cant blame them for trying to reduce the possibility of gun play, after all CCL holders DO tend to obey law but wouldn't it make more sense to offer that to the St Skittles crowd?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 07:14 AM (N+013)

139 Be CAREFUL. We have had a lot of rain and the rivers are way up. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal Yeah, I saw where the whole blue ridge parkway is slumping away into oblivion. I am going to be near a headwaters area so I shouldn't have as bad a time.

Posted by: traye at July 21, 2013 07:15 AM (I56w9)

140 "They have brought prosecutions of questionable priority/criminality so as to facilitate political careers."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 07:15 AM (yOvpa)

141 One of the suggested signs was Zimmerman Is As White As Obama Is

Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 07:17 AM (zOTsN)

142 Awakened on a fine Sunday morning to a news article about McCain getting involved in the 'review' of Stand Your Ground laws. I really am tired of that guy, and am beginning to wonder if he would, in fact, have been worse that Barry O.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 21, 2013 07:17 AM (8zuk5)

143 ....am beginning to wonder if he would, in fact, have been worse that Barry O. ***** Tyrants run in packs

Posted by: Beto at July 21, 2013 07:21 AM (MhA4j)

144 What I want to know is WTF any of the assholes at the fed level have to do with State SYG laws, and the Zimmerman shit has NOTHING to do with it.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 07:21 AM (lZvxr)

145 "They have used the investigation and arraignment process as means to advance political careers by demagoguing those potentially unpopular with part of the public, while never having any intention of ever going to trial."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 07:21 AM (yOvpa)

146 Seriously, I live there and I find the notion laughable. Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 10:58 AM (zpNwC) Vernon Smith Mark Brown Lawrence Reynolds Darryl Durr Michael Beuke William Garner Roderick Davie Michael Benge Frank Spisak Johnnie Baston Clarence Carter Daniel Lee Bedford Reginald Brooks Sr. Mark Wayne Wiles Donald Palmer Brett Hartman Frederick Treesh Steven Smith And many many more are not laughing.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 07:21 AM (cjFRv)

147 He's sort of like Barry without the stability and clarity of purpose. What a world.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 21, 2013 07:22 AM (8zuk5)

148 Well, on that happy note, off to work on the flooring. Everyone enjoy their Sunday.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 21, 2013 07:24 AM (8zuk5)

149 Nice try conservatards,

A guy with a name like Zimmerman calling himself Hispanic is hilarious. He's about Hispanic as Ted Cruz

Posted by: Bill Richardson at July 21, 2013 07:24 AM (Yhu4q)

150 Potentially shorter version of previous three "They have abused the powers of prosecutorial discretion so as to advance their own ambitions." "They have abused the powers of prosecutorial discretion so as to prevent an accused practical opportunity to contest charges."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 07:24 AM (yOvpa)

151 The ignorant trolls have hit.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2013 07:27 AM (lZvxr)

152 Is there any other kind of troll?

Posted by: Beto at July 21, 2013 07:27 AM (MhA4j)

153 A guy with a name like Zimmerman calling himself Hispanic is hilarious. He's about Hispanic as Ted Cruz Posted by: Bill Richardson at July 21, 2013 11:24 AM (Yhu4q) Damn fakers.

Posted by: Lizzy Warren at July 21, 2013 07:27 AM (veQFX)

154 "A guy with a name like Zimmerman calling himself Hispanic is hilarious. He's about Hispanic as Ted Cruz." Yeah, because EVERYONE with a culturally or racially distinct surname HAS to be readily identifiable as someone from that culture or race. STFU you idiot.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 07:30 AM (N+013)

155 "They have somehow, while owning no business of their own, entered full-time legislative service as paupers and come out as rich men."

Posted by: T. at July 21, 2013 07:30 AM (yOvpa)

156 >>STFU you idiot.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 11:30 AM (N+013)

Ummm, does Mr. Obvious need to make an appearance here?

Posted by: Bill Richardson at July 21, 2013 07:32 AM (Yhu4q)

157 Morons of a certain age might remember that Carl Rowan used an illegal handgun to shoot a white kid for swimming in his pool, in Washington DC, and wasn't even fucking charged.

Mandatory 1-year sentence for possession, and not even fucking charged.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at July 21, 2013 07:35 AM (celt+)

158 Guys, the Bill Richardson thing is a funny sock. Google him.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at July 21, 2013 07:36 AM (celt+)

159 Posted by: Bill Richardson at July 21, 2013 11:32 AM (Yhu4q) I thinks they missed your sarcasm tag Bill. Just speculatin.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2013 07:37 AM (tlhtD)

160 the /sarc tag is the text-based dark humorist's friend

Posted by: mindful webworker at July 21, 2013 07:37 AM (P1Tw6)

161 Apparently Mr. Obvious was camouflaged... *Pulls hook from cheek*

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 07:41 AM (N+013)

162 Pssst. It's Albie.

Posted by: RWC at July 21, 2013 07:41 AM (veQFX)

163 It does seem a bit odd that the Hispanic (white or otherwise) leaders are silent on the death threats against one of their own. He was found not-guilty after all. Hello! Anyone? Senoir Bueller? Anyone?

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2013 07:42 AM (tlhtD)

164 Yeah, Bill Richardson was a pretty obvious sock. Well played, sir.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 07:43 AM (sdi6R)

165 Col. West posted a pretty stunning, in-your-face response to Captain AssHat's remarks yesterday. I don't know to use tinyurl but it's up at WZ. *spits bait and checks for line and sinker*

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 07:45 AM (N+013)

166 160 the /sarc tag is the text-based dark humorist's friend

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Explaining a joke renders it unfunny.

I laughed.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at July 21, 2013 07:46 AM (celt+)

167 Yeah, Bill Richardson was a pretty obvious sock. Well played, sir. Posted by: rickl In. DEED.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 21, 2013 07:47 AM (N+013)

168 Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2013 11:42 AM (tlhtD) Yesterday someone posted probably the best reason for hispanic groups not standing up for Zimmerman. - cash money baby!

Posted by: RWC at July 21, 2013 07:54 AM (veQFX)

169 Jazz Shaw stepped in it over at HotAir with a piece talking about how Radley Balko is totes crazy to think that the new standing armies that are SWAT Teams and their overuse might be of some concern to a free people. Jose Guerena anybody?

Posted by: BornLib at July 21, 2013 07:58 AM (zpNwC)

170 The girl with the pistol as actually very pretty, and I wouldn't mind seeing her again in a few years. Hopefully that was a teachable moment, and she will survive to adulthood.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2013 07:59 AM (sdi6R)

171 Actually, Charles C.W. Cooke's column took a spectacular beclowning turn.

Posted by: Jay in PA at July 21, 2013 07:59 AM (WSgyE)

172 There are no latino or women leaders - they are all fronts for leftist commie groups who have dictated that black trumps all. I kid you not. Go read Tammy Bruce. She resigned from NOW because they would not condemn a guy who cut his exwife's head off because he was black.

Posted by: Filner at July 21, 2013 08:00 AM (cjFRv)

173 133 River Oaks counter protestors have moved their initial meeting place. HPD originally offered them high school parking lot, but it dawned on them it was so they couldn't carry. Moved the meet up to a public park. Suggested signs are "sorry we had to ruin your New Black Panther Party" Posted by: Thunderb at July 21, 2013 11:10 AM (zOTsN) Hey thunderb, thanks for the updates on the River Oaks thing. I hope you'll continue updating. I live in San Anotnio but I have relatives in that area of Houston. I dont know what I'd do if I had a group like that protesting my neighborhood. That's just nuts.

Posted by: stace at July 21, 2013 08:02 AM (ovYxb)

174 "30 A question for the legal Morons here:

Going only on the evidence presented in the Zimmerman trial, if GZ hadn't shot him could St. Trayvon have been convicted of a crime? Like assault or assault and battery, or attempted murder even?

This is what drives me nuts about all this crap. Trayvon. Martin. Assaulted. An. Armed. Man.

And in so doing discovered the truth of the old saying that "God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal".

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 21, 2013 10:01 AM (0qalu)"

If Zimmerman had not been carrying a gun that night, this would be the story of his life as sung by the Grateful Dead at Woodstock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbBqo87MWzg

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 21, 2013 08:35 AM (31Nrp)

175 115 Filner,

Limestone....I *am* an Ohioan....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 21, 2013 08:38 AM (LRFds)

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Posted by: Law of Self Defense at July 21, 2013 08:41 AM (AgiEl)

177 176 Law of Self-Defense,

You did an exemplary job analyzing the trial.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 21, 2013 08:52 AM (LRFds)

178 For those with children, even if you do not own any guns yourself, you might consider $2.53 on this book well spent.

http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/0936279052

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 21, 2013 09:00 AM (31Nrp)

179 Jayzuz, I just got back from cutting the grass in 90 degree heat with about 90% relative humidity

Even my teeth are sweating

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 21, 2013 09:02 AM (Yhu4q)

180 Look y'all have a duty to take the serial killing y'all gots coming!

//Mikey Madison, 35 East Cleveland

http://tinyurl.com/lndenzw

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 21, 2013 09:02 AM (LRFds)

181 The Chauchat. No article on machine guns does not have a section on this infamous POS.

Posted by: pat at July 21, 2013 09:04 AM (LLHgu)

182 181 Pat,

"better than the BAR eleventy!"

//Your friends at Ordnance Branch

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 21, 2013 09:05 AM (LRFds)

183 Watching "Beverly Hills Pawn" and some Hollweird critic is going all batshit crazy over a gun that was used in the movie "Monster". I mean the female worker picked up the gun and posed like shes going to shoot it and he damn near shit himself over how "sexy" the gun makes her look. I must have heard the phrase "I LOVE this gun!!" like 5 or 6 times. Now I'm confused. I thought that Hollyweird hated guns and gun owners. Hmm. Hypocracy much?

Posted by: Urban Achiever at July 21, 2013 09:06 AM (aoqkb)

184 http://tinyurl.com/mbqojuc

Hmmm the last link acted weird...

anyway Mikey Madison seems to have been inspired by Rapmaster Tony Sowell

http://tinyurl.com/mbqojuc

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 21, 2013 09:08 AM (LRFds)

185 "157 Morons of a certain age might remember that Carl Rowan used an illegal handgun to shoot a white kid for swimming in his pool, in Washington DC, and wasn't even fucking charged.

Mandatory 1-year sentence for possession, and not even fucking charged.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at July 21, 2013 11:35 AM (celt+)"

The best part about that incident was that Carl Rowan went on to insist that 1) The gun laws in DC were totally excellent and 2) he had not done anything either wrong or illegal.

I believe it was George Orwell who invented the word "doublethink" for the concept of accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct. What I thought most impressive at the time was how Carl Rowan bristled indignantly when anybody pointed this out.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 21, 2013 09:10 AM (31Nrp)

186 183 Urban Achiever,

well THAT gun was a gun of "empowerment" which was sorta my point on links in the "new and improved serial killer follies" links...

see watch any Horrywood Flick on Serial Killing and voila "white male aged 35..."

http://tinyurl.com/yrpl84

The facts are a little different the average serial killer has a lower than mean IQ, is racially diverse if not egalitarian etc etc..

the media fosters an unreal expectation of uniformity.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 21, 2013 09:13 AM (LRFds)

187 Just got through tuning a new Marlin 336. The old '94 is simply too valuable to shoot and beat up anymore. I think Marlin may have finally settled in with Remington after a rough start. I do note that oddly enough the screws were all loose, something others have mentioned. I don't get this. Do they disassemble the gun after the fire test? I think so.

Posted by: pat at July 21, 2013 09:18 AM (LLHgu)

188 Mickelson wins the Open Championship!

Posted by: Beto at July 21, 2013 09:20 AM (MhA4j)

189 "What I thought most impressive at the time was how Carl Rowan bristled indignantly when anybody pointed this out."

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I recall screaming indignantly at the television about the balls on this guy.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at July 21, 2013 09:25 AM (celt+)

190 Picked up 3 boxes of 50 Winchester .40 S&W rounds at Wal-Mart yesterday for $19.77 per box. They had all kinds of stuff on the shelves except .22 LRs. Is ammo coming back to reasonable prices and availability? Finally? The last time I checked for ammo at Wal-Mart, the shelves were bare and had an inch of dust on them. YMMV.

Posted by: Former Lurker at July 21, 2013 09:28 AM (Yoym7)

191 My Walmart, strangely doesn't sell guns but does do a lot of ammo. I used to wait at 650am to get rounds when stocked. You don't have to do that any more except for 22s. Although I am still kicking myself for not grabbing two 100 boxes of 357jhp a couple months ago. I didn't have a357 then, now I do and no more 357 rounds since. Been shooting 38so in it.

Posted by: traye at July 21, 2013 10:00 AM (I56w9)

192 Gander Mountain here had more ammo than I've seen there in 8 months. Prices were steep. Steeper than usual. $260 for UMC bulk 500 rounds 9MM? They were selling the same in .45acp for $239 just two months ago.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 21, 2013 10:03 AM (4Mv1T)

193

Traye, TR, I was having decent luck getting ammo from Cabela's at almost decent prices. I think the lowest I paid was about $22/box of 50. Wal-Mart has a limit of three boxes/day per customer. They had several more boxes and I would have bought more if my wife had been there. Every once in a great while, you can find decent prices on UMC Bulk 250 at GunAuction.com, but you have to pay for shipping and some sellers charge 3% if you use a credit card. Still, if you can buy 250/500/700/1000 at a time, you can get some decent prices.

Lucky Gunner seems to have a lot in stock, but they aren't the best prices, either.

Posted by: Former Lurker at July 21, 2013 11:08 AM (Yoym7)

194 MoronSeed? Hell yes! I've even got the gun for it (Marlin 795). Speaking of, my Marlin was fine out of the box, no loose screws or other defects that are being blamed on Remington. I'm wondering how much of this is a Monday/Friday sort of thing (never buy a car built on a Monday or Friday).

Speaking of, the Mustang II was not a bad car for it's time, but the time was pretty bad for American cars. Ironically the thing that doomed so many of them to the scrapyard wasn't that the car was so bad, it's that the front suspension on them were so good. Hot rodders bought the car, cut the front suspension off of it to use on something else, and then scrapped the rest of the car. As a testament to this statement, please note that you can still buy the Mustang II front suspension as a kit from several aftermarket manufacturers.

I have seen 7mm pretty consistently on the shelves so the next hunting rifle I get (Remington model 700) will likely be in that caliber rather than the surprisingly hard to find 30-06. I sure will be happy to see .22LR make a comeback on the shelves, but so far I haven't seen any supply easing signs.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 21, 2013 11:28 AM (yh0zB)

195 @ Vic, The 870 rules. I have never had an 887, but for functionality, shooting water moccasins out the water, snakes out of trees, coral snakes out from under my compost, the 870 rules. Rain, no problem, just clean it on up. I have 8 shot for snakes, and 00 buck for 2 legged snakes. That is a working, farm, field shotgun par exellant,only my Saiga-12 puts it to shame!

Posted by: Sgt._Eric_Holder_Schultz at July 21, 2013 11:58 AM (mVA93)

196 GGE - Wal-Mart had a lot of 30-06 in stock. I was amazed at how much of everything they actually had on the shelves.

Posted by: Former Lurker at July 21, 2013 12:10 PM (Yoym7)

197 GGE - Wal-Mart had a lot of 30-06 in stock. I was amazed at how much of everything they actually had on the shelves. Ya, Federal 30-06 aplenty at my WallyWorld. .38Spl still very hard to find at affordable prices.

Posted by: toby928© at July 21, 2013 12:12 PM (QupBk)

198 1. While the execution of the operating principle of the Chauchat (long recoil) was fundamentally unsound (most major stoppages require disassembly to clear), it was the quality control that was an even bigger handicap. The gun's components made by a bunch of job shops and assembled. Frew of them apparently were able to hold the required tolerances. Supposedly there was one contractor who actually managed to mostly adhere to the specs. Their guns were merely bad as opposed to utterly worthless.

2. There were a number of similar guns, ranging in quality from better, to infinitely better. The Russians fielded substantial number of conceptually similar Madsen guns, which were then captured by the Germans and issued to Storm Troopers on the western front. The Benet-Mercier machine rifle/Hotchkiss Portative was, while no example of firearms design genius, was also superior. It was the gun used by U.S. troops against Pancho Villa's forces in their raid on Columbus, New Mexico. The U.S. Marines were actually issued Lewis Guns, which were taken away and replaced with Chauchats... rather like replacing S&W Model 27s with pot metal R.G.s...

Posted by: Chris Morton at July 21, 2013 02:03 PM (uoVFE)

199 " The Russians fielded substantial number of conceptually similar Madsen guns, which were then captured by the Germans and issued to Storm Troopers on the western front."

I forgot to mention that the Brazilian police were still using similar guns in the 1990s. A somewhat odd gun, with a rather Byzantine operating cycle, but reliable and liked by its users.

Posted by: Chris Morton at July 21, 2013 02:39 PM (uoVFE)

200 Testing- sorry but my comments have not been appearing from my other devices.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at July 21, 2013 04:09 PM (6N1Il)

201 The girl with the gun video might be a hoax video First off the gun is offscreen when it fires, yet we somehow see muzzle flash? The real tip for me though was looking at the pistol as she fumbled with it. The pistol did not look right for what she did with it. The pistol appears to be some 92 type Beretta or perhaps some Taurus clone. The basic action is double-action, exposed-hammer and hammer-decocking manual-safety. Which means when the hammer is cocked ,as seen in the video, the trigger falls back into a more rearward position inside the trigger guard, which was not seen! How could the hammer be cocked while the trigger still sits in the double-action position? Perhaps the pistol is not a real firearm, and instead is an air-soft or replica non-gun. The noise and flash might be simple special effects added to the video.

Posted by: Brad at July 22, 2013 01:42 AM (UQtyV)

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