1 Bloomberg only wants the 'right' people owning guns.  Namely those who work for government.

2 LOL, I thought it WAS a Ruger Blackhawk.

3 The Ruger there is nice, but I am wondering if there's a way to convert a Starr Double Action to .45 LC or .44-40...actually scratch that I know there's ways I also know you have to find a gunsmith willing to do it.

4 I posted this on the earlier thread but it belongs here and it absolutely refutes everything the rabid gun grabbers say.



The CDC gun violence study commissioned by Obama backfires and shows that all the anti-gun rhetoric is a pack of lies.  Something most of us already knew.

http://tinyurl.com/ljjdqhl

5 That clip is as much as I have ever seen of Duck Dynasty. Or will, I think.

6 1 Bloomberg only wants the 'right' people owning guns. Namely those who work for government.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 18, 2013 09:38 AM (k9TQr)

The "right" people include his bodyguards and rich buddies.

7 I love you chunk.

8 5 Zsasz,

You owe it to yourself to torture yourself with Discovery Redneck's Twin or Triple Terrors "Moonshiners, Tickle, and Amish Mafia."

It seems there is one set of folk TVLand is still allowed to tee off on...

9 as Lad10077 says when practicing his "Radio Announcer Voice" previously on DERP! Dynasty

10 Well I went and bought my first ever brand new pistol thursday. I've bought lots of used ones but this is the first new pistol I've ever owned. It's an SD9. No it ain't a Kel-Tec or a Kahr or a little ol' Sig, But she's new and she's mine. Now I just gotta find moar ammo.

11 It's raaaaacist to acknowledge that blacks and hispanics commit violent crimes at a disproportionately higher rate than whites. Everybody (or at least, everybody who reads the NY Times) knows that the reason for U.S. prisons being filled with blacks and hispanics is that the U.S. justice system is raaaaacist -- it's not because blacks and hispanics commit more crimes than whites. Somebody needs to clue in Nanny Bloomberg, and quickly!

12 re the defensive use link -- Nine shootings within 24 hours in Detroit -- who do they think they are, Chicago?

13 12 re the defensive use link -- Nine shootings within 24 hours in Detroit -- who do they think they are, Chicago? Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2013 09:49 AM (cHZB7) He'll, I didn't know there was anyone left in Detroit TO shoot.

14 The armed citizen project has to go national!

15 Local Walmart had .45, .40 and 5.56 in stock this week.

16 So Cenk Uraguay wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass?

17 So Cenk Uraguay wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass?

Posted by: BignJames at August 18, 2013 09:58 AM (ZNQKl)

 

And only then if it was a male flight attendant named, Fact.

18 I'm gonna repurpose this rant of mine from Thursday's ONT:
 
Fuck you forever Nidal Hasan:

(Fox)An Army soldier who died in the Fort Hood attack was shot 12 times as he charged Maj. Nidal Hasan, it was revealed Thursday during Hasan's court-martial.

Spc. Frederick Greene, 29, of Mountain City, Tenn., was identified as the solider whose gunshot wounds were 'consistent' with him trying to charge Hasan, Dr. Phillip Berran, a pathologist, said. He reviewed photos of Greene's body for the judge before jurors were led into the courtroom.

And thank you forever Mr. Greene for your service and your bravery. What a shame that your family can't even get a Purple Heart to remember you by; because the dickless soulless turds in DC decreed this incident 'workplace violence'.

All to push their bullshit agenda. They really don't give a fuck about anything but power. This makes me sick. Also, please note that it took at least TWELVE shots to stop Mr. Greene from shoving Nidal's head up his ass.
 
So hey NY pols, what do you think about that? Seven shots is all you can carry in a mag, right? Anything more than that is overkill -- or so you say.
 
Idiots.

19 The New York City Sullivan Law actually has an interesting history behind it.  It is named after "Honest" John Sullivan and was one of his last political accomplishments before he was involuntarily committed to a mental hospital.  It was a bit of constituent service that was much appreciated by Sullivan's base which were Irish laborers.  One of the few simple enjoyments in the lifetime of toil and drudgery that these men endured was to get drunk on payday and then beat somebody up.  Often this beating was done in a pack with the lone recipient of the beating being of a different ethnic group.  The problem was that the Italian immigrants found that being beaten up for no particular reason by a bunch of drunken louts to be an unbearable indignity since, like many Mediterranean cultures, honor and shame are counted rather more highly than in other cultures.  These Italians spoiled the fun by carrying pistols and even shooting some of Sullivan's political supporters in order to avoid a beating.


Well, that was just wrong.  Sullivan's supporters had few enough pleasures in their lives and these gun toting Italians were seeking to deprive them of one of their favorites.  Sullivan got the law passed and it is still on the books in New York.  A couple of months later he was tossed into the looney bin.

20 Question .223 caliber vs 5.56mm ammo I had always thought they were the same as long as case/cartridge length matched. Sometime back was told you shouldn't fire one in a rifle chambered for the other. If you know the for sure answer please school me. Thanks.

21 Sheesh. Did I kill the thread?

22 love duck dynasty

23 Things were different many years ago when it was considered "normal" for many people to carry guns. When I was a youth I knew an old-time journalist who had been a reporter for one of the Chicago newspapers during the 1920s. He told of a time when the police had a purp cornered in some buildings. My friend was with a group of fellow reporters who were standing at the end of an alley watching the manhunt. Suddenly the subject appeared and ran toward them. To a man the journalists each pulled out a gun and began firing, killing the subject on the spot. There were no repercussions. Case closed.

24 I had a hunting dog that came back from a trip with a  Cenk Uygur on his nutsack.

Poor boy - he was on antibiotics for  weeks.

25 nothinglefttolose, http://tinyurl.com/n28a4st It's at cheaperthandirt, but it comports with everything I've heard or read before and then some.

26 5.56 has a higher pressure rating so you should not use it in a .223 chamber. Practically, I don't think that it's going to matter too much for occasional use, but Internet wisdom is that regular use in a .223 chamber leads to increased wear rates in the chamber throat.

27 Progressives coined the term "living breathing" to the Constitution, first to entice the public, but also as to convince the public after buying the "living breathing document" concept to ACCEPT ITS DEATH. If something lives and breaths, its death is inevitable. WHEREAS, "We hold these truths to be self evident" has "immortal" status. Inalienable Rights CAN NOT be transferred, no matter. ...Don't forget who said it first when you repeat this recognition of what ALL is self evident in truth, the two-edged sword that sets us free.

28 Unless you are worried about match level accuracy or hand load to the limits of pressure, .223 and 5.56 are essentially interchangeable.


It is one of those things that nerds like to have theological arguments about.

29 Thanks FTL Headed there now.

30 Thanks FTL Headed there now. Summary is that it's more complicated than it ought to be. @26 and @28 are both right, and the article linked covers why.

31 20 Question
.223 caliber vs 5.56mm ammo  

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at August 18, 2013 10:06 AM (e0nsQ)

 

---------------

 

5.56 case is slightly longer than .223, and specifies loading to higher pressure than .223.

 

A true 5.56 mm chamber can accommodate either 5.56 or .223. A true .223 chamber can only accommodate .223.

 

Example is the Ruger Mini-14.  Despite .223 Remington label on receiver, it has a 5.56 mm chamber and either round can be used. The exception is the Mini-14 target rifle, which has a true .223 chamber -- use .223 only, no 5.56.

32 from gunssavelives.net AZ School District Wants Parents to Sign Contract Agreeing to Lock Guns Up at Home http://tinyurl.com/mmqaxm2

33 "It's a single-shot based on the Ruger Blackhawk single-action." Why would anyone need that many shots?

34 9mm or .45? Which is better for self-defense? skips off to take a shower

35 I gotta say I am bewildered by that duck show. I heard all the hype so figured I'd check it out. About 5 mins into it I'm like WTF, this is garbage. Each to their own I suppose, just not my thing.

36 The Spokane school board voted to allow armed guards in schools last week. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/aug/14/spokane-public-schools-officers-may-carry-guns/ The usual suspects are peeing their pants and warning parents schools will look like the wild west.

37 And for a more serious issue, what caliber for zombie beaver? Because you can never be too prepared for the rise of the living dead paddletails.

38 I always thought there was a 'th' in prosthelyze?

39 You guys are the bomb. And I mean that in a good way. Thanks. Was asking for a friend, for real, who recently bought a sweet lookin' one. Hadn't fired it yet. Wants to get more ammo first.

40 34 9mm or .45? Which is better for self-defense? skips off to take a shower Posted by: RWC at August 18, 2013 10:27 AM (uRqqf) depends on your marksmanship......nyah

41 For those of you who don't know, Spokane is 250 miles away from Seattle. Culturally it's about 250 light years away. So don't read too much into this regarding the state of WA as a whole with regards to guns. Eastern WA likes guns, Western WA hates guns. Problem is 55% of the population lives in the West and each election, the Dem wins 52-48.

42 34 9mm or .45? Which is better for self-defense? skips off to take a shower Posted by: RWC at August 18, 2013 10:27 AM (uRqqf) Self-defense against what adversary? Pollock or cod?

43 "34 9mm or .45? Which is better for self-defense?




skips off to take a shower

Posted by: RWC at August 18, 2013 10:27 AM (uRqqf)"

All purpose response to those reply to that post:

You're wrong you Eurodisney pansy/geriatric troglodyte.  The superiority of my cartridge has been proven in ballistic gelatin and thousands of real world gun fights.  Anyone who disagrees with me is dangerously stupid and should not be permitted to spread their ignorance on the internet.

44 37 And for a more serious issue, what caliber for zombie beaver? Because you can never be too prepared for the rise of the living dead paddletails. 
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:29 AM (c2oll)

Preparing for the Canadians, eh?  

45   Self-defense against what adversary? Pollock or cod? 
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:32 AM (c2oll)

Opponent armed with a banana.

46 And for a more serious issue, what caliber for zombie beaver? Because you can never be too prepared for the rise of the living dead paddletails.

.905

http://scoamf.us/DH

47 45 Self-defense against what adversary? Pollock or cod? Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:32 AM (c2oll) Opponent armed with a banana. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2013 10:37 AM (GoMJD) We have to ban assault banana clips! For the children!

48 I thought shooting beaver involved going to the ballpark with binoculars... Nevermind.

49 .905 My shoulder hurts just thinking about it.

50 When I had to hang bananas on my belt for a Scout hike those banana clips were essential

51 45 What about pointed sticks?

52 We were supposed to visit my family because they are staying at a beach near us but it rained like Hell so we skipped it yesterday, sweet bonus day with no plans now. I say "honey, we can take the little man to daycare and go by the range for a couple hours." Her- "ok" Then a bit later she says "what about a movie instead?" Inside I am like "daaaanggggg," but outside I am "you know I don't want to give those obama supporting commies a dime of my hard earned money but if that is what you want, we can go." Inside I think "well at least we will save some cash not blasting $70 worth of ammo (.40 .380 and .357)" Holy smokes the movie is $21 and drinks and snacks $20. As we walk in, she says "I wish you could carry here (she doesn't have hers yet)." And I did feel mighty vulnerable in there. Oct 1 NC. Thank you NC republicans.

53 .905..... Ho-Lee-ker-fuk!

54 .905
My shoulder hurts just thinking about it.

It's the difference between eliminating the zombie beaver and having your leg gnawed off.  Your choice.

55 47 45 Self-defense against what adversary? Pollock or cod?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:32 AM (c2oll) 

Opponent armed with a banana.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2013 10:37 AM (GoMJD)      

We have to ban assault banana clips! For the children! 
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:39 AM (c2oll)


"Watch out!   He's peeling the banana!"

*A-Team opens fire"  

56 "37 And for a more serious issue, what caliber for zombie beaver? Because you can never be too prepared for the rise of the living dead paddletails.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:29 AM (c2oll)"

Well, they can be mean little buggers so I recommend .600 Nitro, although you might be able to get by with .458 Winchester if you can place your shots.  If you are going to be out in beaver country, you should definitely carry one of these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfeifer_Zeliska_.600_Nitro_Express_revolver

57 A .45 requires more range time to keep in shape than a 9mm If you carry a 9mm carry a something that is accurate like a Sig. Glocks are crappy for accuracy

58 Just my 2 cents? I believe the popularity of Duck Dynasty proves how collectively stupid Ø-Merica has become. Your mileage may vary. Void- where prohibited by Duh! Law....

59 *A-Team opens fire" *** With a watermelon launcher. Best A-Team episode ever

60 "Bloomberg only wants the 'right' people owning guns. Namely those who work for government."

Namely those who can pass the traditional "paper bag test".

Doubtless pointing out the invidious racism of "stop and frisk" AND gun control will be determined to be "racist".

By the way, the discredited and disbanded "S.O.S." home invasion, burglary and kidnapping ring operating INSIDE the Chicago Police Department was formed in part to disarm the populace.

No, no "slippery slopes" in gun control...

61 54 .905 My shoulder hurts just thinking about it. It's the difference between eliminating the zombie beaver and having your leg gnawed off. Your choice. Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 18, 2013 10:43 AM (JawqV) I have mixed feelings on that. Tactically, you're right on the money. But the .905 clashed with my apockeyclipse ensemble of hockey pads, colander face mask and assless chaps.

62 My gun is the only correct choice and yours is completely inadequate

63 Glocks are crappy for accuracy. Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shot a workmate's Glock 9mm a few weeks ago; no problems with accuracy. Overall, I thought it was a very nice weapon. I think you're probably spot on about the .45 if the gun is polymer, and/or has simple Novak sights.

64 For beaver, zombie or otherwise. This video makes peta pp themselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4jQsaqBGOY Inspired by military technology, the Varmint Grenade is a hollow-cavity, flat-base bullet designed for shooting prairie dogs and other small game. Its guilding-metal jacket contains a compressed, copper-tin powder core. The highly frangible core disintegrates on impact, vaporizing ground squirrels and prairie dogs while virtually eliminating ricochets. The lead-free Varmint Grenade expends its energy early, often without exiting predators. Coyote and bobcat pelts receive only minimal damage, preserving their value

65 I don't get the Duck Dynasty thing. I don't mean I wish them ill, just that I honestly don't understand the appeal.

66 @  57

   I keep in shape with the Colt Woodsman. Much cheaper to use than the .45.
 
   Also a .22 is a great starter for a beginner.  You can teach allthe techniques without dealing with recoil.

67 I own Two Tokarev 7.62x25 Best self defense pistol ever built.

68 If glocks are crappy for accuracy, then my wife is Annie Oakley, she is a damned great shot with her g lock 22.

69 65 I don't get the Duck Dynasty thing. I don't mean I wish them ill, just that I honestly don't understand the appeal. Several things driving it. First, they are Christians and openly pray. I ran into an old redneck woman in a DD sweat shirt, first thing she said is she loves them they are Christians. Second, they really do not seem to give a shit. Finally, their wives are pretty hot.

70 you spelled 'accuracy' wrong

71 most disturbing PS you'll see today

pic.twitter.com/HHdJ8Gg5iO

72 >>>>a way to convert a Starr Double Action to .45 LC<<<<<

One of the holes in the revolver market is the lack of a decent affordable .45LC DA.

73 Well, they can be mean little buggers so I recommend .600 Nitro, although you might be able to get by with .458 Winchester if you can place your shots. If you are going to be out in beaver country, you should definitely carry one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfeifer_Zeliska_.600_Nitro_Express_revolver Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 18, 2013 10:44 AM (31Nrp) no, no and no.......ouch!

74 "62 My gun is the only correct choice and yours is completely inadequate

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 18, 2013 10:48 AM (8sCoq)"

No! No! Eleventy!!! No!

My gun is the only correct choice and yours is grotesquely over powered to compensate for your inadequate penis!!!

Your gun will only cause needless collateral damage to innocent bystanders!!!  You can tell I am right because I am using so many exclamation points!  Don't make me have to resort to typing in ALL CAPS!!!

75

The CDC gun violence study commissioned by Obama backfires and shows that all the anti-gun rhetoric is a pack of lies. Something most of us already knew.

http://tinyurl.com/ljjdqhl

Posted by: Vic at August 18, 2013 09:42 AM (lZvxr)

 

*****

 

Vic, I have started reading the actual publication, (not just the WZ post).  I would be cautious about saying that it backfires.  So far I am about 17 pages into a 121 page report and I can see that there will be plenty of soundbites that dishonest progressives (BIRM) will attempt to use as leverage.  We need to identify and stress the key relevant portions.  I'll let y'all know if I find anything meaningful.

76 You can teach all the techniques without dealing with recoil. Posted by: irongrampa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Whuuuut!!?? Based on some of the comments I have read, I thought all you had to do is buy the 'right gun'. Next you're gonna suggest that sight alignment, sight picture and practicing with snap caps, followed by putting actual rounds down range make a better shooter.

77 Did somebody say 'beaver'?

78 67 I own Two Tokarev 7.62x25 Best self defense pistol ever built. Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 18, 2013 10:52 AM (MhA4j) Have you ever fired two guns whilst jumping through the air?

79 Okay, that was tasteless and totally uncalled for, I  roundly  denounce myself.  

80 "Have you ever fired two guns whilst jumping through the air?" How about empty the mag in frustration into the air?

81 Have you ever fired two guns whilst jumping through the air? Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:58 AM (c2oll) While jumping from a 10 story building and holding the guns sideways.

82 "67 I own Two Tokarev 7.62x25
Best self defense pistol ever built.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 18, 2013 10:52 AM (MhA4j)"

Interesting choice.  Do you carry them with a round in the chamber?

83 Good morning! The best reason to have a gun thread. http://tinyurl.com/lf8j3eo Somewhat NSFW.

84 Book thread up

85 Have you ever fired two guns whilst jumping through the air? Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 10:58 AM You use them as a club when empty so having two is just how you reload a magazine.

86 My gun can hammer nails all morning, go to the range and hit dead center at 1000 meters, then drive itself home and order Chinese food

87 79 Okay, that was tasteless and totally uncalled for, I roundly denounce myself. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 18, 2013 10:59 AM (pxDth) Fortunately, you're at AoS. Tasteless and uncalled for is our forte.

88 84 Book thread up Posted by: Vic at August 18, 2013 11:07 AM (lZvxr) Meh.

89 I own several pistols....357 trooper, 45 Kimber, 9mm Luger, a Makarov I rebarrelled to .380, a .38 model 36, a Walther P22, and a couple of others. The funnest is the Trooper. The siren call of six measured .357s heading down range is something not to be missed.

90 Interesting choice. Do you carry them with a round in the chamber? Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 18, 2013 11:04 AM Yes. It takes a diesel truck to release the hammer.

91 "39 You guys are the bomb. And I mean that in a good way.
Thanks.
Was asking for a friend, for real, who recently bought a sweet lookin' one. Hadn't fired it yet. Wants to get more ammo first.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at August 18, 2013 10:30 AM (tWrwm)"

As long as he sticks to factory made with 55 grain bullets, everything should be fine no matter what kind of chamber.  Some of the longer, heavier bullets in 5.56 might be a problem in a .223 chamber.  M193 is the military designation of the 5.56 ammunition with a 55 grain bullet.

92 I had Chinese made Tokarev chambered in 9mm years ago.  It went bang pretty reliably, but the grip angle and design felt very odd

93 drive itself home and order Chinese food Posted by: Jones in CO at August 18, 2013 11:07 AM Probably Moo Shu Pork though. And Crab Rolls

94

Glocks are crappy for accuracy.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy

I have a Glock 22, chambered in .40 S&W, and have found that a little familiarity and practice works wonders. I haven't had it long, and it's my first gun, but I can now shoot the entire center out of a target. The accuracy issues I had initially weren't the Glock's fault.

I AM thinking about getting a little Smith and Wesson M&P Shield to carry, though. It's a toss up between that and the Baby Glock. Anyone familiar with the M&P Shield?

95 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 18, 2013 10:32 AM (HDgX3)

Horseshit. Spokane is the reason we can't have clean dishes anymore. They almost singlehandedly got phosphates (specifically TSP) taken out of dishwasher soap throughout the country because a few clowns there thought that there was too much in the Spokane river and that was the source. Never proven - they're still reading the same levels.

http://tinyurl.com/6k4w2rl

96 crappy for accuracy. *** have found that a little familiarity and practice works wonders ***** The thing about most people is the time to garner that familiarity. With a Sig, they shoot it that way right out of the box. That's why I recommend it for self defense.

97 The thing about most people is the time to garner that familiarity. With a Sig, they shoot it that way right out of the box. That's why I recommend it for self defense.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy

 

I can't argue with that, not having enough experience behind me to know one way or the other. I suspect I would have had the same problems with just about anything except a 22 out of the box. I qualified for my CCW with a 22, but I wanted something a little more potent for my wife and I. She can take out anything with almost no practice - I have to work at it. She's great with the Glock, even right out of the box, and doesn't go to the range with me much.

 

I have to practice, but at least I can run circles around her writing Java code.

98 "90 Interesting choice. Do you carry them with a round in the chamber?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 18, 2013 11:04 AM

Yes. It takes a diesel truck to release the hammer.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 18, 2013 11:11 AM (MhA4j)"

At one point I had a CZ-52, a Broomhandle and a Tokarev so that I had a bunch of guns that shot 7.62X25.  The Tokarev had a trigger pull that was not real different than an Army issue .45 or any other military single action.  I would, personally, be reluctant to carry it because it had no safety so cocked and locked is not an option and racking the slide requires two hands and some extra time.

The 7.62X25 cartridge is definitely the way to go if penetration is your primary consideration.  If John Schrank had shot Theodore Roosevelt with a Broomhandle Mauser in 1912, William Howard Taft would have been reelected and Woodrow Wilson's whole misguided administration could have been avoided.

99 glocks aren't accurate? lol......a case of blame the gun not the shooter!!!!

100

Fortunately, you're at AoS. Tasteless and uncalled for is our forte.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2013 11:08 AM (c2oll)

 

*****

Not to mention self-flagellation (IYKWIMAITYD)

101 I have no idea how I screwed up the formatting in my response. Doesn't this thing account for carriage returns?

102 72 Guy that moves Pianos for a Living,

Yup add in that "oohh" factor of a vaguely Mal's gun looking outline and "voila"...of course my gunsmith swears at the Starr's DA and all...

103

Okay gun morons (if anyone is still left).  I'm dissecting the CDC gun violence report and cross-referencing with the original raw FBI data. 

Pop quiz-  Off the top of your head (no looking it up),  how many homicides by firearm are there per day in the entire United States (average of five-year span covering 2007-2011 inclusive)? 

Gun homicides per day in the entire country?

 

I'll post the answer if I get 3 or 4 guesses.

104 "94
Glocks are crappy for accuracy.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy
I have a Glock 22, chambered in .40 SW, and have found that a little familiarity and practice works wonders. I haven't had it long, and it's my first gun, but I can now shoot the entire center out of a target. The accuracy issues I had initially weren't the Glock's fault.
I AM thinking about getting a little Smith and Wesson MP Shield to carry, though. It's a toss up between that and the Baby Glock. Anyone familiar with the MP Shield?

Posted by: Former Lurker at August 18, 2013 11:19 AM (4hp6w)"

Is that the little .380?  I saw one at the store.  It seems to be about the same size and capacity as the KelTek A3AT and Ruger LCP.  The main difference is that it has a safety.  I actually think that any of those .380 pistols would be a good choice for regular carry.  For the ones without a safety I would make sure that I carried it in a holster that covered up the entire trigger guard, especially if carried in a pocket.

105 Gun homicides per day in the entire country? I'll post the answer if I get 3 or 4 guesses. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 18, 2013 11:37 AM (pxDth) mmmmm....14?

106 Off the top of your head (no looking it up), how many homicides by firearm are there per day in the entire United States (average of five-year span covering 2007-2011 inclusive)? My guesstimate: Pistols: <25 Rifles/Shotguns: <10 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gun homicides per day in the entire country? My guesstimate: <35 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll post the answer if I get 3 or 4 guesses. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon

107 "103
Okay gun morons (if anyone is still left). I'm dissecting the CDC gun violence report and cross-referencing with the original raw FBI data.

Pop quiz- Off the top of your head (no looking it up), how many homicides by firearm are there per day in the entire United States (average of five-year span covering 2007-2011 inclusive)?

Gun homicides per day in the entire country?

I'll post the answer if I get 3 or 4 guesses.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 18, 2013 11:37 AM (pxDth)"

OK.  The homicide rate is something like 5 per 100,000 nation wide and there are about 350,000,000 people in the US so that would be 5 X (350,000,000 / 100,000) per year divided by 365 works out to 48.66 so say a little less than 50?

108 Seamus: less than 25, less than 10 and less than 35 respectively. WTF Pixie?

109 103 300.  150 if you don't count Detroit, Atlanta, L.A. or NYC.  And 100 of which are suicides and 5 defensive.

110 Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 18, 2013 11:38 AM (31Nrp) The Shield is 9mm or .40.

111

BigNJames is closest.  The number is 25 per day for that time period.

 

Just shooting from the hip (pun intended) I would have probably said somewhere between 100 and 200 per day- way off.

112 COJ pretty close too.

113 Hmmmmm....... "Less than 35" ..... 35-25 = 10 "14" ..... 25-14 = 11 New math?

114

Now compare that number-  25 per day to what you will hear the left say, from the same report-

"...more than 335,600 people who died from firearm-related violence in the United States."

 

'cause 'statistics and stuff' OMG a huge number, it's a freaking crisis, ban the guns!!! 

 

They will conveniently neglect to mention that the 335,600 number comes from an 11 year time span, and includes 61% (or  204,716) that are suicides and also includes accidental and LEO-involved shootings). 

There are four types of lies: lies, damn lies, statistics and progressive propoganda.

115 oops (sp)  'propaganda '

116 btw.....NRA is having a REAL BIG SALE http://graphics.nra.org/online_store/Email/8-17-13.html

117 113 Hmmmmm.......

"Less than 35" ..... 35-25 = 10

"14" ..... 25-14 = 11

New math?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 18, 2013 11:57 AM (UeUjL)

 

*****

 

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  I gave you credit @112.

118 My whole point is that the agenda-driven a**holes lump numbers and group time periods together to generate a bigger number,  distorting any sense of rational perspective-  in order to drive an emotional response.

119 117>> Heh! Just busting yer chops my friend... I would fuck with you if I didn't love ya.

120 No worries.

121

Heh-

 

Math Killed the Gun Thread

 

 

 

I wonder what I can accomplish on the Book Thread 

122 117>> .... WOULDN'T.... BTW: One of the things that I always emphasized to my kids was that whenever someone tells you something and spouts numbers, just do the math. Cuts out a lot of BS right away, and you can tell pretty quickly who's talking vs who's talking smack.

123 "Math Killed the Gun Thread" I for one am looking forward to your analysis. Seriously.

124 My whole point is that the agenda-driven a**holes lump numbers and group time periods together to generate a bigger number, distorting any sense of rational perspective- in order to drive an emotional response. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 18, 2013 12:02 PM I always say figures don't lie but liars figure.

125 Ah.  I see what I did wrong.  I was taking the homicide rate, not the gun violence rate.  So I guess something like half the killings in the US are done with something other than guns.

126 Pixy and Google go tits up in the same week?  Did the NSA roll out an update

127 Greetings: I grew up in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s so I have had a passing acquaintance with the aforementioned "Sullivan" law. Back there and then, the folk wisdom was that if you didn't have a cash business, weren't a retired police officer, or weren't politically connected, you weren't getting a pistol permit. Contemporaneously, the were a number of local emporia (gratuitous Caesar's Latin insert) which could provide a handgun within a couple or three days and a specific make and model in perhaps a week or two. As the knowledgeable used to say in those parts, "I rather get caught with my gun than without it." It's not the gun, it's the who.

128

OK Horde,

If there's anyone still around this thread, I need a decent recommendation for a home defense gun for my wife.

Who has decided we should have one.  (Currently for the time being the shotgun lives under my bed.)

It needs to be small enough to easily store in the bedroom, fairly easy to use, and reliable.

I suppose that means either a handgun or a revolver. Relatively inexpensive (and possibly easy to find used) would be a nice thing to have as well.  We're not sitting on a ton of cash.

 

Having said all that, she didn't really like the Walther P22 compared to a 10/22 rifle.  She felt the handgun was harder to aim, but somehow I think a rifle doesn't meet the "easy to store in bedroom" criteria she put forth. (And practice can eventually mitigate the aiming issues.)

She has a friend with a 9mm of unknown brand.  Her friend does not like the 9mm since apparently she finds it hard to shoot. (My wife takes my friends advice very seriously.)

129 @128 I'd recommend anything full-size to get past the "harder to aim" since you are talking primarily home defense. Tupperware is relatively inexpensive. I am partial to the Smith M&&P series as they are very simple, durable, and reliable. If your wife's hands are small, then look into the CZ-75. This will not be good if she has trouble manipulating the slide because the slide rides inside the rails, leaving less room to grasp it. As far as revolvers go, a good steel or stainless steel four-inch in .38+p or .357 magnum is a great choice. Ask around at gun stores and gun clubs, and keep your eyes open for security guard trade-ins. The larger semis usually have a rail on the front. You can get a Streamlight or some other bright LED made to mount on this rail. I have both a streamlight and a chinese knockoff, and when mounted on the pistols I own with rails, the sights generally line up with the bright center of the light beams. This can help with the "hard to aim" problem, and the lights tend to be bright enough to work even outdoors at indoor contact distances so that you can prove this to yourselves at a range.

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Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 18, 2013 01:10 PM (V3kRK)

 

Thanks.

Our plan right now is to sit tight (as I said Shotgun) because we're both busy.  And unlike a .22 where I buy it for fun, I'd hate to get a home defense weapon that either of us finds hard to fire.

Then, when our schedule clears up (October) we're going to go to one of the ranges that rents (and sells) guns to try a few out. I just wanted to narrow down the options.

We had our first neighborhood break in this weekend. (ironically they stole the guys guns.)

I asked her if that set off this and she said "actually, no I started thinking about this around the Zimmerman trial.  You gotta protect yourself."

Irony I guess (suck it leftards.)

131 They hate these beavers. STAY AWAY FROM THE BEAVERS!

132 CZ's guns are great cheap guns. If you can cough up a little more, get a Glock 19 maybe. 9mm, easy to shoot, and shoots every time you pull the trigger, dirty or not. I love mine.

133

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at August 18, 2013 01:19 PM (X4HxX)

 

We'll probably put a 9mm on the try list. But the wife doesn't handle recoil to well.

Of course that could rule out the handgun all together.  We'll see.

134 More posts on chicks and guns please...you know, the Dems war on women by trying to disarm them and all.

135 But the wife doesn't handle recoil to well. Recoil and aiming are the reasons why I suggest a full-size gun--especially for home defense. You want the weight, so you should avoid guns with alloy frames. The Glock 19 suggested @132 would fit the bill even though it's considered "compact" since it's the kid sibling to the Glock 17. Glocks just aren't my thing, but they are excellent guns. If you go the revolver route, the .38spl+P is a versatile choice. Most ranges have "powderpuff" ammo available for practice (around here, a lightly loaded 110gn double-ended wadcutter) with almost no recoil even in an alloy J-frame. For actual bedside use, there are all kinds of excellent defense rounds available in .38spl. Most semis will not cycle with downloaded ammo, and .22lr conversion kits tend to cost as much as a separate .22lr pistol.

136 Can't believe nobody has brought this up yet. How was the cameraman directly downrange from the DD boys as they were shooting at the beaver, with both in the frame?

137 #128 Has your wife gone shooting much? If she gets some practice with a .22 it will probably help her not be intimidated by the kick of a 9mm. I second what several people said about a full sized gun being easier to manage than a small one because the mass smooths out the kick. Several months after I bought my pistol and had been shooting every couple of weeks I took the basic intro to handgun safety course at the range and I was really shocked by how many of the women came with a revolver because they couldn't rack a slide back. A couple had initially bought a semi-auto and traded for the revolvers. (My friend who is a professional pianist can't rack a slide back... how can she not have strong hands? It boggles the mind.) And then I was shocked by how many of the women couldn't hold the pistol up to hit a target because the pistol is heavy. Granted, some of these ladies were 80 years old, but some weren't. It made me repent of my scorn for gun-timid females a little bit. The trick with a semi-auto is... you don't pull the slide back, you push the gun forward. Your wife's friend might like her semi-auto better if she's not trying to pull the slide back. Have her hold the slide firmly and instead of pulling it backward toward herself which is just awkward, use her primary hand (which is stronger) to push the gun forward while holding the slide stationary. After that's overcome I can't imagine why anyone would think that a semi-auto is harder to handle than a revolver. Also, doesn't the slide movement on a semi-auto make it kick less? I suppose there are other reasons to get a revolver such as the double action feeling safer.

138 "128
OK Horde,
If there's anyone still around this thread, I need a decent recommendation for a home defense gun for my wife.
Who has decided we should have one. (Currently for the time being the shotgun lives under my bed.)
It needs to be small enough to easily store in the bedroom, fairly easy to use, and reliable.
I suppose that means either a handgun or a revolver. Relatively inexpensive (and possibly easy to find used) would be a nice thing to have as well. We're not sitting on a ton of cash.

Having said all that, she didn't really like the Walther P22 compared to a 10/22 rifle. She felt the handgun was harder to aim, but somehow I think a rifle doesn't meet the "easy to store in bedroom" criteria she put forth. (And practice can eventually mitigate the aiming issues.)
She has a friend with a 9mm of unknown brand. Her friend does not like the 9mm since apparently she finds it hard to shoot. (My wife takes my friends advice very seriously.)

Posted by: tsrblke at August 18, 2013 12:50 PM (GaqMa)"

What you want is a police trade in Smith & Wesson Model 10 .38 Special revolver.  They used to be available all over the place when police departments were trading in their .38 revolvers to go to 9mm pistols.  You can still find them but now you have to look around a bit.  Many police departments have armorers who went to school at S&W and learned how to polish up the actions on these revolvers so for less than $200 you can find a used revolver with some holster wear that has a double action trigger pull that is smoother than snot on a glass door knob.  You can shoot it with target wad cutter ammunition which has very little recoil.  The Model 10 has fixed sights which should not be an issue as long as they point at the target.  You can load this revolver and leave it untouched in a bedroom end table drawer for 20 years and it will work perfectly well when you pull it out.  You might want to buy a set of rubber grips for the revolver because they really do reduce perceived recoil and make the gun more comfortable to shoot with stronger loads.

139 Piers Morgan: slimy lying Limey corksorker or simply ig'nt bastid?


Either way, now that we have the internets at our fingertips via the magic that is smarter-than-me phones I'd love for someone to call him on his bullshit.


This holds true for every single other talking head fuckwad out there as well. RNC, are you f'n listening?


of course you're not, what am I thinking...


Good day roonz and roonettez. In before I have to go to work.

140 She has a friend with a 9mm of unknown brand. Her friend does not like the 9mm since apparently she finds it hard to shoot. (My wife takes my friends advice very seriously.)

Posted by: tsrblke at August 18, 2013 12:50 PM (GaqMa)

This has been said before but cannot be said enough...she must handle and shoot the gun before you buy. Just because her friend does not like the particular 9mm she has does not mean your wife won't like it, and in fact you should see if your wife wants to try it out (might be able to pick it up cheap from the friend). Either way, try before you buy because a gun that sits unloaded in the gun safe doesn't do any good when you really need it.

141 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 18, 2013 04:19 PM (yh0zB)


It is strange what people will like.  I took my daughter shooting at a place that rents different pistols.  I had her try a lot of different ones but as soon as she shot the SIG 228 she said that is the one.  Of course they don't make them any more but the other SIGs apparently feel pretty much the same.


When I took my wife there she wanted a little gun so I had her shooting various 9mms, .380s and .22s, none of which she liked all that much.  Then I rented a 1911 for myself.  When she tried the .45 she decided that was the gun that she loved.

142 Don't they really have to change their name at this point ? "Young Turks" is really not accurate at this point. Try, "Old, Fat, Gray Haired Turks" Morons

143 Gun homicides per day in the entire country?
Okay, I'll bite:  10

144 Re #143:  Oops!

145 trsblke, I'm 5 feet tall and have pretty small hands and early stages of arthritis. I'm in my early forties smallish framed. I use 9mm and have no problems. Love my Kimber 1911, never had issues with Glock 26, Kahr CM9 is the smallest and my least favorite.