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September 22, 2013

Gun Thread (9-22-2013)
— andy

Reloading Revisited

A few weeks back, we had a discussion of the economics of reloading. I included a caveat that there were many ways to influence the cost per round outside the example presented, and the main thing I had in mind when I wrote that was bullet casting.

The only bullets I've cast myself were soft lead maxi-balls for my dad's .54 cal. muzzle-loader, but molds and materials are available for pretty much every caliber. Cast bullets are great in low pressure handgun rounds (although they can introduce a leading problem that you'll need to address in your gun cleaning regimen) but they can also be used with gas checks to load high pressure handgun or rifle rounds.

The Cast Boolits forum is good resource to get you started, and I know we have some bullet casting readers who'll put us some more knowledge in the comments.

America's Real Mass Shooting Problem

In the wake of the Navy Yard shooting, where yet another mentally disturbed person went on yet another shooting spree, there are some encouraging signs that people are assessing the situation and correctly identifying the root cause: e.g., Reason, Krauthammer, and this survey by Gallup:

Forty-eight percent of Americans blame the mental health system "a great deal" for mass shootings in the United States, unchanged from January 2011. At the same time, fewer blame easy access to guns now (40%) than two years ago (46%), making the mental health system the perceived top cause of mass shootings.

Of course, some people will never get the message.

More On Starbucks

If you've listened to this week's podcast, the first hour or so of which is gun-related, you know my position on the Starbucks kerfuffle: open carry advocates foolishly overplayed their hand and forced Starbucks to react. You also know I support Starbucks' right to make whatever policies they want and let the chips fall where they may.

McDonald's and Dunkin' Donuts appear to see a business opportunity ... at least, that is, until people who feel like they have to make some sort of statement make asses of themselves and cause these businesses to reconsider too.

Gun Of The Week

(answer below)
Marksmanship Award

Hero of the Day - Michigan: Homeowner shoots, chases robbery suspect; both in hospital - http://t.co/bn2gHDixB9 #NRA (via @detroitnews)
— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) September 19, 2013

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Mauser K98 or some variant thereof. I never was into these much so my knowledge of them is rather cursory. My little brother, on the other hand, knows about everything there is to know about the Mauser down to proofmarks, etc.

Under New Management

Speaking of business decisions and the consequences flowing therefrom, you may remember the Eastern Sports & Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, PA. The show's organizer, Reed Exhibitions, banned Evil Black Rifles™ and vendors, led by Cabela's, began pulling out in droves causing the show's cancellation.

In case you missed it, because I sure did, the show is back with a new name, "Great American Outdoor Show", and a new organizer (hit the link and scroll down for the reveal).

Related: I know I've mentioned this before, but if you have an iPad and are an NRA member, I encourage you to get the NRA Magazines iPad app.

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Posted by: andy at 05:45 AM | Comments (136)
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1 Thanks Andy. I knew about the new sponsor for the outdoor show. Even though I've got a snowballs chance of ever going to that show.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 22, 2013 05:51 AM (MnSla)

2 Andy I agree on Starbucks.

Posted by: blaster at September 22, 2013 05:51 AM (5Xlg3)

3 I tried cast bullets in my .357 years ago. It leaded up so fast I couldn't use them. However, I found the problem could be mitigated to some extent by firing a jacketed bullet alternating after each cast bullet and it would clean the lead out to a large extent.

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 05:52 AM (zZbNF)

4 from gunssavelives.net Lewis Machine & Tool (LMT) To Leave Anti-Gun Illinois, Taking Business to Iowa http://tinyurl.com/lkbwhe5

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 22, 2013 05:53 AM (8JJ6O)

5 I'm pretty sure I heard about the show coming back with a different sponsor but I didn't realize it was an NRA production until I was reading this month's American Rifleman. Then I laughed out loud.

Posted by: Andy at September 22, 2013 05:53 AM (0ZQCB)

6 As for the "mental issues" with the Navy shooter I consider that a strawman in that event. The shooter committed two separate gun felonies before that event yet had no record when he bought that shotgun. Why? Because for what ever reason local law enforcement failed to prosecute.

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 05:54 AM (zZbNF)

7 I think I'd read that on pagunblog dot com a while back.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 22, 2013 05:55 AM (MnSla)

8 Gun picture: Russian rifle WWI vintage?

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 05:55 AM (zZbNF)

9 The Left wanted to release mentally ill people into the population and wanted them to commit murders with guns. This was just another way to incite societal chaos and violence -- which was another opportunity for more control and power. It's why Obama hasn't prosecuted felony gun crimes. They want more violence and chaos and fear.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 22, 2013 05:55 AM (cH6ty)

10 Well, I would like to read the Krauthammer piece to see if it's the one where he mentions the mental illness trap, i.e. anyone who wants to own a firearm is mentally ill, but Verizon is fundamentally broken and the page won't load.

Shouldn't take much more than a half dozen attempts and thirty minutes or so to get the page.

Posted by: Too Many Cookies at September 22, 2013 05:55 AM (jABQI)

11 Crap, close but no banana.

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 05:56 AM (zZbNF)

12 Let's talk sub-compacts. I'm looking to buy either:

Sig Sauer P224

Glock 27

Tell me your wisdom, horde.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 05:56 AM (doBIb)

13 Add more tin to your amalgam. Use a gas check. MolyKote the bullets. Less leading.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 22, 2013 05:58 AM (MhA4j)

14 Gun picture: Russian rifle WWI vintage?

When the man in front of you dies, pick up his rifle.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 05:59 AM (doBIb)

15 My 870 was on the Brazos with me this morning. Five blue wing and one green wing early bird. Beautiful cool morning.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 06:00 AM (HVrO9)

16 12** If you have the extra green the Sig is a no brainer.

Posted by: Uncle Sam at September 22, 2013 06:00 AM (MhA4j)

17 there are some encouraging signs that people are assessing the situation and correctly identifying the root cause That is encouraging. I had to study mass murderers in college, maybe not *had* to but I found the topic fascinating. One commonality is that from the earliest age the warning signs are there. Big, bold, flashing red lights warning people. Now we have mental health 'professionals' dispersing drugs known to have suicidal/homicidal side effects. That will continue until one of the 1-800-Lawyers gets a huge judgement against a prescribing physician on behalf of victims and brings the practice to a screaming halt.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 22, 2013 06:00 AM (U2UQk)

18 Ok, no, Krauthammer is talking about 'deinstitutionalizing' the mentally ill, courtesy of compassionate liberals who believe the mentally ill should be mainstreamed into society rather than warehoused in institutions. The mentally ill should not be in prison either, because they can't help themselves, you see. They're ill and need treatment (not that Krauthammer is a liberal).

Oh, and that 'deinstitutionalizing' the retarded and the mentally ill was a conservative idea, to save money by shutting down the institutions that were warehousing those poor souls who just want to be loved as brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers and live with their families.

Posted by: Too Many Cookies at September 22, 2013 06:01 AM (jABQI)

19
If you have the extra green the Sig is a no brainer.

Posted by: Uncle Sam at September 22, 2013 10:00 AM (MhA4j)

Green is not the issue. I need pros and cons.

I've been reading something about the P224 in the .40SW version. Some authority on Sigs say the spring is underpowered and is causing FTF issues. Others report no such problems after several hundred rounds of continuous use. I don't know what to think.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:02 AM (doBIb)

20 Beautiful cool morning.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 10:00 AM (HVrO9)

Did you sing "Cross the Brazos at Waco, ride hard and make it by dawn"?

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 06:02 AM (zZbNF)

21 Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 09:52 AM (zZbNF)

I think one of the problems is velocity. I fired 1000s of cast bullets through my .45ACP and never had excessive leading, although I would fire a magazine of jacketed bullets at the end of every range session.

From Lyman:

.45ACP 185gr cast -- about 800fps.
.357 Mag. 158gr cast -- about 1200fps

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 22, 2013 06:03 AM (gqgiP)

22 Vic, no but I will next time. We were talking about riding horses across when we walked out to the island.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 06:04 AM (HVrO9)

23 That's not only a K-98 but one with a new stock, Criterion barrel and Parkerizing...I know where the stock photo came from

Posted by: Uncle Sam at September 22, 2013 06:04 AM (MhA4j)

24 Cast bullets are the way to go for economy. Now, as to cleaning, there used to be, and it still may be out there, a device called the Lewis Lead Remover. It was a cleaning rod with abrasive screens that would attack the lead, but not the harder bore. Another old time remedy, very unhealthy, was using mercury. You would cork one end, dump in a few globs of the stuff, cork the other end and gently shake the merc from end to end. It would loosen the lead. It always helped if you had a friend who worked in the lab at the steel mill to rip off some mercury (they used it for something).

Posted by: Bill at September 22, 2013 06:04 AM (uvyrw)

25 Second the Sig nomination.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 06:04 AM (HVrO9)

26 21 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 22, 2013 10:03 AM (gqgiP)

Not an issue anymore. I quit reloading years ago and the river ate all my guns in a tragic boating accident.

Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2013 06:06 AM (zZbNF)

27 ec the sig p224 from what i understand has problems http://tinyurl.com/m89kdoo

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 22, 2013 06:07 AM (8JJ6O)

28 ...spring is underpowered and is causing FTF issues. ***** I have never had any Sig chambered in .40 S&W FTF

Posted by: Uncle Sam at September 22, 2013 06:07 AM (MhA4j)

29 BTW, I went looking for .22 auto pistols yesterday, just trying out fit. I was impressed with the ISSC M-22, nice little inexpensive pistol.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 06:08 AM (HVrO9)

30 Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 09:56 AM (doBIb)

Does the Sig have the extended mag? I know the Glock does.

That extension makes all the difference in the world to me. I can't feel comfortable with the little grip on compacts. Even my S and W 6906 (tragically lost in a canoing accident) feels a little funny.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 22, 2013 06:09 AM (gqgiP)

31 Kenyan troops are nicely kitted out as seen in this. They are seen with the SCAR-H.

http://tinyurl.com/m2kcuw2

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:10 AM (doBIb)

32 The one soldier in the middle seems to have his Eotech a little too far forward I think.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:11 AM (doBIb)

33 CBD I did take your advice and ordered the .22 conversion kit for the model 21.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 06:12 AM (HVrO9)

34 Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 10:10 AM (doBIb)

That's my dream rifle!

For absolutely no reason other than the 2nd Amendment, the fact that it has an ambidextrous bolt (I'm left-handed), and it's just so damned neat looking.

Supposedly it is very, very accurate too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 22, 2013 06:13 AM (gqgiP)

35 Gun of the week is an easy one for me. My youngest son took his first deer with a 98 Mauser just like that one....iron sights and beechwood stock. Serial numbers in '43 onwards began to do funny things so they wouldn't give production data to the allies through them. Serial numbers would be on a months production, leading to some unusually low numbers. My sons is numbered #1898 which makes it kind of unique. Plenty of Eagle markings too.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 22, 2013 06:13 AM (l3vZN)

36 Does the Sig have the extended mag? I know the Glock does.

No, it comes with a 10rd mag that is flush with the grip. You can use the 12rd P229 mags in them for the extra length to grip.

I have never had any Sig chambered in .40 S&W FTF

Right. I've got the P229 in 40 too and have never had any issues. I'm reading things like what PGirl linked and other posts about FTF. Several customers have shipped back to Sig and they just seem to polish the feed ramps and whatnot. No mention is made of any problems with the spring.

It remains to be seen.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:14 AM (doBIb)

37 I recommended them to someone the other day (I think it was GGE), but for those of you that are looking for good cast lead bullets for reloading, check out Black Bullets International. I went to HS with the owner and can vouch he's a standup guy. He took over the company earlier this year and was an IDPA competitor for years. He's also a car guy (or was), had a sweeeet SS back in HS...the most people normally saw of him was either a set of legs sticking out from under the hood or a blur going by.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 22, 2013 06:14 AM (T7XIT)

38 "We fought a good fight earlier this year, but we came up short and that means we've got to get back up and go back at it because as long as there are those who fight to make it as easy as possible for dangerous people to get their hands on a gun, then we've got to work as hard as possible for the sake of our children." --Your President http://goo.gl/01N0rv

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at September 22, 2013 06:14 AM (JQuNB)

39 Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 10:12 AM (HVrO9)

That always made the most sense to me. As I recall it is your carry pistol, so practicing with what you carry is the perfect way to go.

Have you fired it yet? How easy is it to swap in? Accuracy?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 22, 2013 06:15 AM (gqgiP)

40 Best sub compact I've ever fired was a smith & wesson m&p chambered in 9mm. Very fun little gun, sadly lost while pleasure boating on the Delaware.

Posted by: kreplach at September 22, 2013 06:15 AM (cdgHW)

41 For absolutely no reason other than the 2nd Amendment, the fact that it has an ambidextrous bolt (I'm left-handed), and it's just so damned neat looking.

It still dumps to the right, so you may have issues if you shoot left-handed.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:15 AM (doBIb)

42 EC - I too noticed the SCAR that Kenyan was packing. Most of the photos show hints that their soldiers have received good training; I always look to see if they keep the booger hook off the bang switch. The average terrorist is, happily, almost always one stumble away from shooting his buddy in the back.

Posted by: PabloD at September 22, 2013 06:17 AM (oOEJi)

43 --Your President

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at September 22, 2013 10:14 AM (JQuNB)

Wayne LaPierre never said that.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 22, 2013 06:18 AM (T7XIT)

44 EC - I too noticed the SCAR that Kenyan was packing. Most of the photos show hints that their soldiers have received good training; I always look to see if they keep the booger hook off the bang switch. The average terrorist is, happily, almost always one stumble away from shooting his buddy in the back.

From what I can tell, there seems to be several different departments of military and police all issued with varying weapons. I see the SCAR, and then some of the other military are issued G3's. One cop/security officer is seen with an AK.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:18 AM (doBIb)

45 CBD, I haven't got the conversion yet. I had to order it which I always do through my old friend who has an FFL. I like to keep Mr. A economically healthy and he discounts for me. I will give a report when it arrives.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 22, 2013 06:19 AM (HVrO9)

46 Yo, Daily Mail, THIS is how you troll. From The Guardian: "American gun use is out of control. Shouldn't the world intervene? The death toll from firearms in the US suggests that the country is gripped by civil war." http://tinyurl.com/pwrxa8z

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 22, 2013 06:19 AM (sFQyf)

47 Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 10:15 AM (doBIb)

Yeah...I'm used to that.

When I first got my Colt Series 70, before I did some work on it, every 10th or 15th ejected brass would drop down my shirt.

It's actually a good drill....controlling the muzzle, clearing the chamber and locking the slide open as a hot chunk of metal is burning your neck or belly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 22, 2013 06:20 AM (gqgiP)

48
"American gun use is out of control. Shouldn't the world intervene?

I believe the UK tried that once.

Once.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:20 AM (doBIb)

49 Actually, you silly Brits, our history would suggest that if we were to have a civil war today, the death toll would be in the tens of millions. What we actually are in the grip of is rampant crime on the streets of Democrat core constituencies.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 22, 2013 06:22 AM (sFQyf)

50 And please, let the world intervene. It might wake my inner malthusian.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 22, 2013 06:23 AM (sFQyf)

51 >> Now, as to cleaning, there used to be, and it still may be out there, a device called the Lewis Lead Remover. I spent many an hour at the controls of one of those as a kid. Brownell's sells 'em, and I'm sure you can get them elsewhere too: http://goo.gl/X6Yfjp

Posted by: Andy at September 22, 2013 06:23 AM (0ZQCB)

52 It's actually a good drill....controlling the muzzle, clearing the chamber and locking the slide open as a hot chunk of metal is burning your neck or belly. It's always fun when that happens on qual day during rapid fire. Yet one more application of the "Let It Burn" philosophy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 22, 2013 06:24 AM (sFQyf)

53 Does anyone know of a good concealed carry holster for women? I've seen the bra band kind, but I'm not a fan of having a gun pointed at my intestines.

Posted by: Lauren at September 22, 2013 06:26 AM (ELdpj)

54 RE: Daily Mail

Yep, saw that, and the BBC article about Kenya. If you have any doubts that Obama's cadre are not international, those two articles reinforcing the notion of the need for civilian gun control in the United States should dispel any doubts you might have.

This is going to the next level where international calls for civilians in the US to disarm, and stop arms trafficking.

Posted by: Too Many Cookies at September 22, 2013 06:26 AM (jABQI)

55 Molon labe, brits.

Posted by: Lauren at September 22, 2013 06:29 AM (ELdpj)

56 Cabela's had a nice event last weekend where they gave a $25 gift card with an NRA membership renewal. Mine was expiring this February, so my net cost to renew was ten bucks.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 22, 2013 06:30 AM (celt+)

57 Posted by: Lauren at September 22, 2013 10:26 AM (ELdpj)

Here ya go: http://youtu.be/ogGBPVk5GQk

Posted by: Country Singer at September 22, 2013 06:32 AM (T7XIT)

58 Does anyone know of a good concealed carry holster for women? I've seen the bra band kind, but I'm not a fan of having a gun pointed at my intestines.

How about this one?

http://tinyurl.com/k8aflxe

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:33 AM (doBIb)

59 My MP15 Sport ejects rather enthusiastically towards the rear, as evidenced by brass stains on the shell deflector. I'm guessing it's got a carbine buffer and it's overgassed, so I've got an H buffer sitting in my Bravo Company shopping cart. I plan on shooting primarily mil-spec ammo, so I don't need a light buffer to work with less stout rounds. Am I doing right?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 22, 2013 06:35 AM (celt+)

60 Guns don't kill people; people kill people.

No, wait. People don't kill people. People with guns kill people.

No, that's not it, either.

Crazy people with guns and criminals with guns kill people.

There it is.

Posted by: BPSCG at September 22, 2013 06:35 AM (YO6qw)

61 Is it wrong to point out that Kenya has strict gun control?

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at September 22, 2013 06:36 AM (5fSr7)

62 My guess is that the pic is from Mitchell's Mausers

That's not only a K-98 but one with a new stock, Criterion barrel and Parkerizing...I know where the stock photo came from

Posted by: d_fitz at September 22, 2013 06:40 AM (enmeq)

63 "American gun use is out of control. Shouldn't the world intervene?" Methinx any such effort would elicit much 'gun control,' of the hit-what-you-aim-at type.

Posted by: mindful webworker - surrounded by 'militiamen' at September 22, 2013 06:41 AM (cK3Ih)

64 Old world barbarian peasants on our streets collecting guns. Funny stuff, that.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 22, 2013 06:43 AM (0axsw)

65 Have the glock 23 compact 40 and just bought the baby glock sub 9mm. The baby is just perfect. I have big hands but it doesn't bother me even without the extended clip. Its now both mine and my wife's favorite. She shot one after another center and reloads from freedom ammo cycled fine.

Posted by: Guido 'the cat had to wake his ass up' at September 22, 2013 06:46 AM (JvtXj)

66 As far as the "world intervening", I can't think of any single thing that would unite the politically fractured USA more than this. A vast number of people in this country would put aside all the b.s. to deal with interloping busy bodies. Vast.

Posted by: weirdflunky at September 22, 2013 06:46 AM (tlhtD)

67 Or this one?

http://tinyurl.com/kz4zqzg

NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 22, 2013 06:47 AM (gqgiP)

68 Or this one?

http://tinyurl.com/kz4zqzg

NSFW

That's a perfect concealment holster. I don't see the gun at all.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 06:48 AM (doBIb)

69 Regarding Mauser/Mosins etc. a lot of fun in figuring out the stamps.

Posted by: RWC at September 22, 2013 06:49 AM (5kj2q)

70 Crazy people with guns and criminals with guns kill people. 10 Crazy people with guns and criminals with guns kill people. 20 Sane people secure guns to protect themselves from crazy people 30 Crazy people kill sane people without guns 40 Politicians seek to take guns from sane people with guns 50 Goto 10 / endless loop

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 22, 2013 06:50 AM (U2UQk)

71 And I got more comments on the Mosin yesterday than any other guns. (Couldn't shoot it thoguh

. That's what today is for

Posted by: RWC at September 22, 2013 06:51 AM (5kj2q)

72 I think the thigh holster would work since I wear skirts a lot. I like that better than a hip holster because it seems like in theory I'd be more in control that way.

Posted by: Lauren at September 22, 2013 06:51 AM (ELdpj)

73 "Regarding Mauser/Mosins etc. a lot of fun in figuring out the stamps."

--------------------

I particularly love the Israeli 7.62mm conversions. That Star of David on the breech is a nice "f*ck you" to the previous owner.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 22, 2013 06:52 AM (celt+)

For running or biking my wife has been using the PistolWear holster. Worked great with her Ruger LCP and, even though it is a bit heavier, it works very well with her new Sig P238.

Posted by: jj at September 22, 2013 06:52 AM (gWO5X)

75 It always helped if you had a friend who worked in the lab at the steel mill to rip off some mercury (they used it for something). Posted by: Bill

I lived in McKeesport, PA as a kid when the mills shut down. We used to (12-14 yo) get into the mills and ride our bikes on the tailing piles and walkways. They had big drums of mercury all over the place. We would tip them to watch the shimmering shower pour and drip through the expanded metal floors and gantries.

I have no idea why they had so much. I'm keeping that story in hand for a future insanity plea if I need one to get more soup at the camps.

Posted by: Jean at September 22, 2013 06:52 AM (CMlD4)

76 Through the door, baby. Through the door.

Posted by: Smokin' Joe Biden at September 22, 2013 06:53 AM (Dwehj)

77 EC - I too noticed the SCAR that Kenyan was packing. Most of the photos
show hints that their soldiers have received good training; I always
look to see if they keep the booger hook off the bang switch. The
average terrorist is, happily, almost always one stumble away from
shooting his buddy in the back.

From what I can tell, there seems to be several different departments of military and police all issued with varying weapons. I see the SCAR, and then some of the other military are issued G3's. One cop/security officer is seen with an AK.
Posted by: EC

The picture of the guy using the poster as cover made me cringe.

Posted by: Jean at September 22, 2013 06:55 AM (CMlD4)

78 Heh, notice they don't show the thong holster under clothes

Posted by: Lauren at September 22, 2013 06:56 AM (ELdpj)

79 Cast lead bullets, if the right alloy is used, can be hardened for higher pressure in handguns. But even hardened, they will tend to lead barrels when driven faster than 1200 fps or so. I load unhardened .38 specials and they don't leave lead in the barrel. I cast .44 magnum and harden the hell out of them and they will lead the bore at 1500 fps without a gas check.

Posted by: maddogg at September 22, 2013 06:57 AM (+SU7n)

Your average K98 never looked that good.

The original bolt handle wasn't shiny, and the front sight isn't original.

Posted by: Frankly at September 22, 2013 06:58 AM (HY1Tz)

81 Actually, I can truly understand why Democrats/leftists don't want to do anything about crazy people; that's one of their most dependable voting blocs!!

Posted by: MtTB at September 22, 2013 06:58 AM (xehjI)

82 The picture of the guy using the poster as cover made me cringe. Posted by: Jean at September 22, 2013 10:55 AM (CMlD4) New MSM meme - paper-piercing boolits!!1!

Posted by: RWC at September 22, 2013 07:01 AM (5kj2q)

83 Hahahahahahaha! Liberals and their feel-good policies just got a great new metaphor: "Gun seized in 2004 from Navy Yard shooting suspect later melted by Seattle police" http://goo.gl/ILCWSQ

Posted by: Andy at September 22, 2013 07:08 AM (0ZQCB)

I hate any cast lead bullets. I was forced to use them during the winter at my old gun range. You were allowed to use only lead bullets in it. If I wanted to shoot during the winter I had to use them. They lead up a barrel quickly if you are shooting 200-300 rounds a session like I do. And it is a Gold Plated B to get that lead out.

Can someone turn off the autoplay for the overnight thread. The one with cat and paper men wars keep autoplaying every time I refresh.

Posted by: Retired Navy Chief at September 22, 2013 07:08 AM (BGFPo)

85 Yeah I meant to make a comment about the six degrees of Seattle connection to the navy yard shooter yesterday. It is to laugh. My favorite part of the last gun buy back was the folks who were standing away from the gun buy back place offering to buy the guns for more than the police were offering.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at September 22, 2013 07:14 AM (RZ8pf)

>>Now we have mental health 'professionals' dispersing drugs known to have suicidal/homicidal side effects. That will continue until one of the 1-800-Lawyers gets a huge judgement against a prescribing physician on behalf of victims and brings the practice to a screaming halt.

.Just like the VA was giving all of those PTSD Vets who wanted to quit smoking and they were giving them Chantix and not saying a word about the psychological effects of that drug. They finally quit that recently after a bunch of guys committed suicide from the combination of the pill and the PTSD. Now they get a bunch of warnings and stuff before they even get the Chantix.

Posted by: Retired Navy Chief at September 22, 2013 07:16 AM (BGFPo)

87 Regarding Starbucks: The local gun store / indoor gun range (privately owned) has a sign outside requiring that you unload all firearms before entering. The local gun shows take it a step further and they visually inspect your weapon to make sure it's unloaded and then put a plastic cable tie around it so you can't just slap a magazine back in it.

Posted by: Craig at September 22, 2013 07:16 AM (kUCUg)

88 Books

Posted by: weirdflunky at September 22, 2013 07:16 AM (tlhtD)

89 From what I can tell, there seems to be several different departments of military and police all issued with varying weapons. I see the SCAR, and then some of the other military are issued G3's. One cop/security officer is seen with an AK. ---------------- I was surprised at how well their SWAT/SF guys were kitted out, compared to the other responders. They had SCARS with EOTech holosights, body armor and helmet-mounted radio headsets. There was another crew with M4geries, also with holosights, and then an assortment of just about everything else: a bunch of beat to hell folding-stock AKs and I even saw one ancient FN-FAL.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 22, 2013 07:18 AM (JDIKC)

90 I own several derivatives of the "G"98, namely Springfield 1903's which are a real pleasure to shoot. When I first read some of the period infantry handbooks that articulate aimed shots/timing, I was amazed that any soldier could get that accomplished with a bolt-action.

But after practicing for awhile, it was relatively easy. I was then further amazed at the simplicity and ergonomics of the design. We may chuckle today, but they were certainly ahead.

Perhaps next week you take it to the next level with Springfield's or the Krag- Jorgenson Andy?

Posted by: Marcus at September 22, 2013 07:22 AM (iLV/y)

91 Schrodingers cat didn't get a reply in quick enough on the last thread but what your wife is saying isn't true for all states. The standards weren't developed by all the states and a lot of states that adopted them did so in a clever end run around their legislatures. My state for example did a "if you don't discuss this during this legislative session it will be adopted" and then obliging democrat chairs kept it from being discussed. I did a grassroots training on common core. The "standards developed by all states" is one of the things we were taught to say. Also " our state already meets the rigorous standards the common core has put in place" implying it isn't going to change anything which is really BS.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at September 22, 2013 07:22 AM (RZ8pf)

92 Does anyone know of a good concealed carry holster for women?

There's purses made with center section pouches accessible from the outside in a cross-draw manner. they'll usually have tote straps that are internally cable reinforced to help prevent strap slash/snatch robbers.

Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 22, 2013 07:22 AM (9MLX+)

93 >> Perhaps next week you take it to the next level with Springfield's or the Krag- Jorgenson Andy? Ha! I almost did the Krag today, but I couldn't remember if I'd already done that one.

Posted by: Andy at September 22, 2013 07:29 AM (0ZQCB)

94 a good concealed carry holster for women?

Sorry. To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to conceal a woman in a holster. And at a certain point, retention becomes a factor.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 22, 2013 07:29 AM (JNUY4)

95 Although probably falsely attributed, this stands as a warning. Speaking of an invasion of America Admiral Yomamoto said "you cannot, there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Never more true in the U.S.than right now.

Posted by: traye at September 22, 2013 07:31 AM (hi1cd)

96 >I was surprised at how well their SWAT/SF guys were kitted out, compared to the other responders. They had SCARS with EOTech holosights, body armor and helmet-mounted radio headsets.<

We have a very active military program with the Kenyan's who are one of the mainstays of our anti-terrorism programs in Africa. Specifically as of late in Somalia, that is one of the terrorists alleged gripes.

So you will see a large variety of relatively "new" weapons in specialized units (from a variety of countries). Notice it is being alleged that Israel's MATKAL is now assisting. My guess is there are also other nations SF in the fight.

Posted by: Marcus at September 22, 2013 07:32 AM (iLV/y)

97
Yeah, I'm just salivating at the idea of ceding my sovereignty to a foreign entity.

Makes my day, it does.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 22, 2013 07:35 AM (SAMxH)

98 Degenerate reloader and caster here.

The castboolits forum is a gold mine if you have the time to power through it. IMO, the most innovative thing going on there is all the experimentation in powdercoating cast projectiles in lieu of conventional lubing.

Now, there's not much wrong with the old fashioned way if you use watch your alloy content, use gas checks, and are a stickler for fitting the boolit to your slugged barrel ID. But the emerging beauty of powdercoat is the ability to push the velocities up to jacketed levels without leading. Additionally, PC pills eliminate a lot of the telltale lube smoke and keep your reloading dies clean.

Some of the threads are epic in size, but check out castboolits dot com's Lube subforum for more info on the various methods of getting this done.

Posted by: Jaws at September 22, 2013 07:47 AM (Rbtz3)

99 Maybe we should encourage the international intervention. I've always wanted a drum set made out of blue helmets.

Posted by: hobbes at September 22, 2013 07:47 AM (dfwJa)

100 Paranoidgirlinseattle: I like to pick and choose what to get the most concerned about and CC is not my RED HOT issue. The public schools will continue to do a mediocre job for a lot of money. I paid plenty to put my kids through private school, they're out and in the workplace now, so I have a different POV. What I think everyone should be concerned with is Obama's power grab at HUD. If proposed changes take place, Obama will 'fundamentally change' (as promised) every school in the nation. Local zoning laws that restrict property size, housing density, housing height, etc. will be struck null and void. Zoning laws that have a FUNDAMENTAL BASIS not in racism but local issues relating to health and welfare. Look at the flooding in CO the last week. In my state we have a major issue with flooding, as hurricanes come to die here. A slow, inch an hour of rainfall(if we're lucky it's ONLY that much), death. We need our zoning laws. We need our carefully crafted requirements for site density, percentage of site coverage by housing, our retaining basins for stormwater collection and gradual percolation back into the groundwater. High density housing means a huge percentage of a site will be covered with roads and driveways, and instead of water being carefully controlled the water immediately covering roads, overflowing creeks and rivers, flooding homes and destroying businesses. Zoning laws -- as witnessed by CO, are life and death, multi-billion dollar flood damage issues. With Obama, they are targeted as racism. He'd like nothing better then to bust zoning laws up, and cover the suburbs with high density housing. That would not only flood our roads, but flood our public schools with monetary problems. That's my hot button, sorry it's so long, but I could write a book on the subject.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 22, 2013 07:50 AM (U2UQk)

101 Here's a recent article about the HUD proposal for anyone interested. http://tinyurl.com/lrb56zw

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 22, 2013 08:02 AM (U2UQk)

102 My dad, a WW2 vet and a damned good gunsmith, was in love with the K98 -- the action, anyway. Of the 3 DWM Mausers he had, he built a 35 Whelen, a 25.06, and a .22-250. All absolutely beautiful rifles, but as a kid I always wanted a "stock" battle rifle. I finally got one from Mitchell's a few years ago before they ran out of the good ones at reasonable prices. Looks great displayed next to my '03 and M1.

Posted by: That SOB van Owen at September 22, 2013 08:12 AM (8bBsO)

103

Lead, tin and antimony in the correct percentages. Coat with Alox. Old molds, new molds. Alox works. Size and load. Make sure to size! No leading of the barrel. (PS, do not buy linotype lead. Leave that to the professionals)

German Mauser, K98, sold by Mitchells Mausers. Shipped to a FFL dealer near you. Perfectly legal. Just like the CMP Program.

Love the Gun of the Week!

Molon Labe!

Posted by: Andrew at September 22, 2013 08:17 AM (Z7Lrb)

104 50And please, let the world intervene. It might wake my inner malthusian.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 22, 2013 10:23 AM (sFQyf)

AKA, Furion!

The UN belongs in the EU.

Posted by: Andrew at September 22, 2013 08:20 AM (Z7Lrb)

105 I had a Yugoslav rework Kar98k back in the '90s. Until I bought a couple of Savages, it had the best trigger pull of any rifle I'd ever owned.

A friend bought up most of Sierra's production of 200gr. Matchking BTHP 7.92mm bullets one year, just to take advantage of that round's accuracy in his Kar98k and FN-49.

Posted by: Chris Morton at September 22, 2013 08:26 AM (uoVFE)

106 17 Now we have mental health 'professionals' dispersing drugs known to have suicidal/homicidal side effects. Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at September 22, 2013 10:00 AM (U2UQk) A few years ago my doctor offered to prescribe a drug that would help me quit smoking. I looked it up online and one of the side effects was "suicidal thoughts". Thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by: rickl at September 22, 2013 08:34 AM (sdi6R)

107 86 .Just like the VA was giving all of those PTSD Vets who wanted to quit smoking and they were giving them Chantix and not saying a word about the psychological effects of that drug. They finally quit that recently after abunch of guys committed suicide from the combination of the pill and the PTSD. Now they get a bunch of warnings and stuff before they even get the Chantix. Posted by: Retired Navy Chief at September 22, 2013 11:16 AM (BGFPo) Oops, didn't read the whole thread. That was the one.

Posted by: rickl at September 22, 2013 08:45 AM (sdi6R)

108 I looked it up online and one of the side effects was "suicidal thoughts".

Well, you would quit smoking.

Posted by: no good deed at September 22, 2013 08:49 AM (k55Fc)

109 108 Well, you would quit smoking. Posted by: no good deed at September 22, 2013 12:49 PM (k55Fc) Yeah, but the irony is that if I tried to quit smoking, I wouldn't need a drug to help me have suicidal thoughts.

Posted by: rickl at September 22, 2013 08:52 AM (sdi6R)

110 if you are going to cast bullets, don't use reclaimed automotive batteries, the plates are made of lead alloyed with antimony, calcium, and arsenic. Small amounts, but still, think twice. Do it outside with plenty of ventilation.

Posted by: iowaan at September 22, 2013 08:58 AM (hXclJ)

111 Waaay late to this thread, but I suspect that more K98 actions have been adapted to sporting use than any other military action. Just a guess.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 22, 2013 09:43 AM (aDwsi)

112 Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at September 22, 2013 12:02 PM (U2UQk) That HUD stuff smells like a negotiating opening tactic for the Robin Hood laws and regionalization. After mobilizing property owners against a plan as ridiculous as this, the collectivist totalitarians will settle for appeasement in the form of commuter taxes and the like. Fuck it. It makes no sense to have to present reasonable arguments against intrusions like this. We are rapidly approaching "come and take it" territory.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2013 09:52 AM (V3kRK)

113 I wouldn't need a drug to help me have suicidal thoughts.

I'm sorry, rickl. I didn't mean to make light of it. That Chantix is bad business.

Posted by: no good deed at September 22, 2013 09:52 AM (k55Fc)

114 I've been working for years to complete my collection of WWII rifles.

When I was an E-1 stationed in OK in 1989 I walked into a gun store and they were selling surplus M1s, KAR98s, Enfields, Type 38 Arisakas... you name it... for like $75 each. I was living paycheck to paycheck and didn't have the cash at the time to take advantage of it.

Wish I had a time machine.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 10:38 AM (x3YFz)

115 111 Waaay late to this thread, but I suspect that more K98 actions have been adapted to sporting use than any other military action. Just a guess.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 22, 2013 01:43 PM (aDwsi)

I don't like the bolt arm. I prefer the bolt arm to be normal to the bolt. Makes precision shooting easier.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 10:40 AM (x3YFz)

116 "a good concealed carry holster for women? Sorry. To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to conceal a woman in a holster. And at a certain point, retention becomes a factor." I find that a good thumb break strap keeps them in their place.

Posted by: toby928© at September 22, 2013 10:41 AM (QupBk)

117 to explain: if the bolt arm is normal to the bolt you can rechamber with the first joint of your primary index finger. If it's not, you end up using the outside edge of your palm. The first keeps you on target with minimal re-acquire time.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 10:43 AM (x3YFz)

118 Few comments, the major issue of leading is involved with pressure/heat and the bullet not sealing in the barrel which leads to flamecutting (melting) of your bullet. A lead bullet that is too hard can lead if it does not properly seal the barrel. A too soft bullet deforms under pressure and leaves lead too. Thus, look for the Goldilocks solution--just enough hardness to get the job done.

CastBoolits is an excellent source but sometimes difficult for a beginner to understand. For this, turn to Lyman which has an excellent Cast Lead Bullet reloading manual and also sells all sort of casting equipment--this edition is by Mike Venturino who you may recognize from his various gun mag columns. Lee Precision also has extensive lead bullet reloading information and even better a scientific explanation for how much you can push lead bullets with psi being the key ingredient of bullet deformation. Once again, Lee also sells bullet molding equipment with the typical Lee twist (different low cost approach to the whole thing).

While pressure and velocity are related, a major factor appears to be excessive pressure and heat that deforms the bullet base and leaves lead in your barrel as a by- product. Such things as the length and smoothness of the throat on a revolver, smoothness and uniformity of the barrel for all firearms, and the forcing cone angle (for revolvers) can all affect leading just as much as how much power and the BRN hardness of your lead bullet.

Two other solutions, especially for heavy loads for handguns or firing hunting loads in rifles, are to place gas checks on the bottom of your bullets (generally when you lube and resize them in something like a lubricizer), second, slug your barrel (for each weapon that you are firing) with a pure lead ball, measure the diameter. That gives you the appropriate size for your bullets to avoid the too small bullet problem. Then casting your bullets to a slightly larger (.001 to .002) diameter for firing should help. You should get increased accuracy and less leading. Individual barrels vary quite a bit in older firearms.

Be careful of the old trick of shooting fmj after lead bullets to get the lead out. The increased resistance that the copper bullet has in a leaded barrel can lead to either a pressure spike in a hot load or a stuck bullet in the barrel if the load is too light.

BTW, the rifling type in the barrel also matters. Polygonal rifled barrels such as Glock factory barrels are designed for fmj--Glock specifically recommends not firing lead bullets in their barrels. Metford type rifling found in old milsurps also does not play well with lead (shallow grooves means horrible acccuracy on average).

The more I learn about reloading, the more that I also realize is that every firearm has individual quirks that a careful reloader can exploit. It seems that almost every rule has an exception--lead bullets and whether a given barrel will lead is a perfect example.

Posted by: wg at September 22, 2013 10:54 AM (zJjFx)

119 116 "a good concealed carry holster for women?

Posted by: toby928Â© at September 22, 2013 02:41 PM (QupBk)

CC is tough for even us guys. Not getting "made" is pretty tricky. Primarily you carry the way you train. You don't put a weapon under 5 layers of clothes.

Forget comfort. That ain't happening. accessibility and speed keep you from not being the guest of honor at a funeral.

Deciding to CC isn't to be taken lightly. You're making a decision to take a life if you have to to defend yourself or others. So, in order of priority:

1) Find THE weapon you're most comfortable with
2) Dress around the weapon, don't weapon around the dress
3) Find a carry point, and practice. And stay with it. Commit. Pull. Do draw drills. Hundreds of times. If you decide at 0300 at Stop-N-Rob when some asshole rolls in in a ski mask and there's you in your mismatched bunny slippers holding a quart of butter pecan ice cream, and it's time to pull, it needs to be automatic.

you don't need the hammer snagging on your shirt because you failed to train to the point it's automatic.

your life depends on it.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 10:56 AM (x3YFz)

120 "19
If you have the extra green the Sig is a no brainer.

Posted by: Uncle Sam at September 22, 2013 10:00 AM (MhA4j)

Green is not the issue. I need pros and cons.
I've been reading something about the P224 in the .40SW version. Some authority on Sigs say the spring is underpowered and is causing FTF issues. Others report no such problems after several hundred rounds of continuous use. I don't know what to think.

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2013 10:02 AM (doBIb)"

I'd be curious id any morons have experience with replacing the .40 cal barrel with a .357 SIG barrel and how well or poorly that has worked.

The .357 SIG is purported to be the ultimate, perfect self defense cartridge and while I might be inclined to take the hype with a grain of salt, the record of performance in real world shootings does seem quite impressive. If the gun functions reliably, either .40 or .357 SIG would seem to be adequate for pretty much any likely situation except for being attacked by multiple AIDS infected Kodiak bears high on meth.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 22, 2013 10:58 AM (31Nrp)

121 Posted by: wg at September 22, 2013 02:54 PM (zJjFx)

Good stuff wg. I've been at this for years, I even edited Navy SEAL Sniper. You never know enough and I still learn.

Prescient point: use the ammo the manufacturer recommends.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 11:01 AM (x3YFz)

122 I'd be curious id any morons have experience with replacing the .40 cal barrel with a .357 SIG barrel and how well or poorly that has worked. I have an S&&W M&&P in 357sig. The .40 barrel for it is a drop-in. The mags are the same (and stamped such at the factory). The 357sig is a hoot to shoot. It's loud, but it is easier to manage for controlled pairs than .40. I have some Serbian FPJ (manufactured by PPU) that spits a fireball out the muzzle that looks like how comic book artists depicted guns blazing.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2013 11:11 AM (V3kRK)

123 I have shot nothing but cast bullets for more than fifteen years and use them in everything from 9mm to 35 Whelen and 45-70. Any 'rons or 'ettes in Northern VA who want to learn hands on let me know.

Posted by: AnthonyB at September 22, 2013 11:14 AM (6xjN8)

124 And the no lead in Glocks is total BS - I have more then 5000 rounds of cast bullets through three G30s with no problems.

Posted by: AnthonyB at September 22, 2013 11:17 AM (6xjN8)

125 anyone here? anyone here ever hunt deer out west, say co? any advice on best rifles for long range stuff? I was thinking 7mm mag, because I have access to one, but would appreciate any insights.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 22, 2013 11:19 AM (Z9EHQ)

126 After mobilizing property owners against a plan as ridiculous as this, the collectivist totalitarians will settle for appeasement in the form of commuter taxes and the like. I used to write a newsletter for a community organization to try to educate the locals about the 'whys' of zoning laws. So maybe I was a bit of a community organizer -- just pushing back against the leftists. I don't think the lefties are going to be easily appeased. The best chance for Obama and the leftists to enact zoning busting legislation is now. Because until Obama climbs on Chopper One for the last time, he can scream 'racist' and low information people might believe it. I know a few like Rush have started to mention this to people, but zoning laws are pretty much guaranteed to be a snoozer to most folks. Until the section 8 condos get built down the end of their suburban street and they have to duck gunfire and needle jabbing junkies to walk the kids to the bus stop. Then it rains and all the effluent from the condo fills the streets with knee deep water, their basement floods, and they're ducking floating hypodermic needles on the way to the bus stop. When people finally wake up, it's too late.

Posted by: Eagles fan [/i] at September 22, 2013 11:20 AM (U2UQk)

127 "53 Does anyone know of a good concealed carry holster for women? I've seen the bra band kind, but I'm not a fan of having a gun pointed at my intestines.

Posted by: Lauren at September 22, 2013 10:26 AM (ELdpj)"

You could try this:

http://flashbangholsters.publishpath.com/

It hangs from your bra but it is pointed at the person to your left (if right handed) rather than at your intestines. They are reported to be comfortable and they don't print under normal clothes.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 22, 2013 11:32 AM (31Nrp)

128 well zoning laws in nyc are more or less institutionalized shake down laws. everything is negotiable but it is gonna require a payment of some sort to someone.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 22, 2013 11:33 AM (Z9EHQ)

129 "119 116
"a good concealed carry holster for women?

Posted by: toby928Â© at September 22, 2013 02:41 PM (QupBk)

CC is tough for even us guys. Not getting "made" is pretty tricky. Primarily you carry the way you train. You don't put a weapon under 5 layers of clothes.

Forget comfort. That ain't happening. accessibility and speed keep you from not being the guest of honor at a funeral.

Deciding to CC isn't to be taken lightly. You're making a decision to take a life if you have to to defend yourself or others. So, in order of priority:

1) Find THE weapon you're most comfortable with
2) Dress around the weapon, don't weapon around the dress
3) Find a carry point, and practice. And stay with it. Commit. Pull. Do draw drills. Hundreds of times. If you decide at 0300 at Stop-N-Rob when some asshole rolls in in a ski mask and there's you in your mismatched bunny slippers holding a quart of butter pecan ice cream, and it's time to pull, it needs to be automatic.

you don't need the hammer snagging on your shirt because you failed to train to the point it's automatic.

your life depends on it.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 02:56 PM (x3YFz)"

The "forget comfort" comment is absolutely wrong. If it is uncomfortable, you are doing something wrong. A good holster makes an enormous difference. Also in order to avoid being made you have to dress appropriately. If you are wearing a jacket in Houston in the summer, people are likely to assume you are carrying.

Your point about practicing your draw is valid. Unload you gun and stand five feet in front of a mirror that does not have anything like your child's bedroom on the other side of it. Put your gun in your pocket or holster ow wherever you carry it. Pick out a button on your shirt. Without looking, draw your gun and raise it to where the sights are lined up on that button. Holster the gun and do it again. Do it about a half dozen to a dozen times. Tomorrow do it again. Over time you will get smoother and faster. Put more effort into smooth than fast. If you carry a different gun in the summer than in the winter, practice with the gun you are carrying.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 22, 2013 11:48 AM (31Nrp)

130 "anyone here ever hunt deer out west, say co? any advice on best rifles for long range stuff? I was thinking 7mm mag, because I have access to one, but would appreciate any insights."

-------------------

I'm not a hunter, but the 7mm Mag sounds like a fine choice if you already have it. I believe the general thought is that .30-30 is fine for a woods lever gun and .270 is nice for long-range scoped work. The 7mm mag will be a little bit of overkill for deer, but it's accurate and will certainly get the job done.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 22, 2013 12:22 PM (celt+)

131
#125

When I lived out in CO, we used to hunt mule deer with 30.06 and 270. Both scoped. Worked fine for me. Best successful shot I made with the 30.06 was about 400yds.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 22, 2013 02:19 PM (MnSla)

132 Lead bullets are fairly easy to make. A lead melter and some molds and you're up and running. I cast many rounds for many different calibers.
My take. Rifle bullets are really not worth it. Bullets stabilize in flight by spinning. If the bullet is off even by a tiny amount the spin will be a wobble and your flight will be not a straight line quickly. I hunted for a season with my cast bullets and even at 200 yard ranges my bullet was hitting yards from where I was aiming. Yards is pretty far off. I thought about using my lathe and trying to make sure they were balanced . . . but the whole point of lead is to save money. Not really saving if you have to spend lots of time on balancing the lead bullets. Pistol was not as noticeable mostly because the range is shorter but the problem still exists. Leading the barrels is a mess to cleanup. Making the lead harder by tin alloys etc can help but it really doesn't save. I found that lead was really not the way to go. So eventually I found surplus military jacketed bullets in big quantity is the way to go for cost per bullet. I still have lots of lead around so I'm thinking maybe about getting a black powder setup going to use it up. A couple of dozen years of shooting a crap load of black powder should use it up ;-)
As a last resort in an emergency it is better than nothing but cast lead bullets in modern guns is probably not a great idea unless you have to. My 2 cents

Posted by: hammer at September 22, 2013 03:56 PM (96zHV)

133 Mass shooting problem? There couldn't be any correlation between the anti-psychotic / anti-depressants / anti-anxiety medications that are being over prescribed for everything from menstrual cramps to the pressures of final exams. We, as a people, are suffering from an overdose of mental health care - the problem is, it doesn't W O R K. Many of these medications are very dangerous. You can't just abruptly stop taking Prozac without having some dire effects. You have to be weened off of these medications carefully under the supervision of a doctor. I bet if someone took the time to dig they would find that 99.99% of these rampage shooters have been under mental health treatment and have been on "meds" like Prozac - or worse! Perhaps it is these very drugs that are causing the homocidal rampage shootings. Perhaps it's time to take a look at our mental health treatments and consider that it is quite possible that none of it really works. No one ever gets "better," no, they just need their "meds" adjusted.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at September 22, 2013 08:22 PM (2/oBD)

134 The "forget comfort" comment is absolutely wrong. If it is uncomfortable, you are doing something wrong. A good holster makes an enormous difference. Also in order to avoid being made you have to dress appropriately. If you are wearing a jacket in Houston in the summer, people are likely to assume you are carrying.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 22, 2013 03:48 PM (31Nrp)

Well. Heh. Comfort is relative. It's not absolutely wrong. Wearing a 3lb piece of metal on your body is going to always be "uncomfortable." Do you get used to it? sure.

I have 9 holsters. 3 alone for my sig. Leather, plastic, IWB OWB Shoulder, body huggers.

I even bought jeans 2" bigger in the waistband to accommodate my carry habits. It's no small task to find the right carry position. But when you find the least uncomfortable one; then you train as we both said.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 08:54 PM (x3YFz)

135 and lastly: train malfunctions. Hung rounds, misfeeds, poor mag seating. When the adrenaline is flowing and bags of cheetos are exploding over your head or your primary arm takes a bullet and need to reload... you need to have done it about 200 times in a training environment to lock the slide back in the crook of your knee with your off-hand and pull your extra mag.

You're not a SEAL, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't train like one.

Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2013 09:00 PM (x3YFz)

136 Geez, I'm late to my "never miss thread". This was a good one. Everything was covered I have very little to add except for this. Carrying a handgun or 4 and extra magazines is uncomfortable. But you adjust to the discomfort until finally you don't notice it anymore. Plus it's resistance training. I don't belong to a gym. I carry a chopped AK pistol , a PPS -43 and 2 handguns (all with extra magazines) in the winter months when in the US and I conceal them with a duster. That's a lot of weight. In the sroing, summer and fall time I carry 2 pistols with extra magazines. Comfortable, nope it was very uncomfortable at first. Now I hardly seem to notice and say.."These darn boots are just killing my feet!"

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at September 23, 2013 04:15 AM (/ejIQ)

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