September 08, 2013
— andy Epistemic Closure On Campus, But No Guns
This is a pretty funny piece from a newly-minted Indiana University professor in the HuffPo. The former President of the Brady Campaign to Ban Guns doesn't believe guns should be on college campuses. Who could've guessed that?
But wait, his argument is compelling and rich.
After I hired Colin Goddard to work for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, I heard him speak many times about the April 16, 2007 morning at Virginia Tech when 32 of his classmates and teachers were murdered, and four bullets were shot into his body. Two weeks ago I heard the story again - this time for the first time as a Professor at Indiana University with 66 first-year college students who are part of a new Civic Leaders program that I direct.One of the questions after the presentation was whether Colin could have done anything to stop the carnage, particularly if he'd had a gun with him.
Colin's answer was clear. Everyone wishes that the story could have ended differently. Many people -- including Colin -- wish they could have been the hero we see in movies. But even though Colin had been in ROTC and was familiar with guns, he felt that if he had a gun that day, it would have been difficult to get to it in time, would have made him and others around him even more of a target, and could have led to other students being injured or killed. In Colin's analysis, the main lesson from that morning is that we need to strengthen our weak to non-existent background check system for gun purchases and make it a lot harder for people like his shooter (who had earlier been found to be a danger to himself or others by a Virginia court) to get dangerous weapons so easily.
I wonder how hard the Prof. looked for a different speaker who might present an opposing view? (actually, I don't wonder that at all)
It would've been easy to find someone to point out all the flaws in the thinking just in the excerpt above. How is it difficult to get to a gun in time if it's on your person? How does having a gun make you more of a target when you're already being targeted? What new law is needed to get the Seung Hui Cho's of the world entered into NICS (answer: none)?
But when you're trying to mint 66 new gun grabbers, you can't have their minds being filled with such conflict. Way to go, Indoctrination U.
News You Can Use
From the tip line, here's a link to AmmoRecall.com, a centralized source for gun and ammo recall notices. They have an email notification feature, but you can also just do what I did and follow them on Twitter.
Gun Of The Week
Marksmanship Award
Hero of the Day - Texas: Homeowner holds burglar at gunpoint - http://t.co/ZzrHkLCI0g #NRA #ArmedCitizen (via @KETK)
— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) September 3, 2013
Gun Of The Week - Answer
This one's from the tip line as well. I'll let Country Singer describe it:
Should you wish to use it, I came into possession of this revolver recently. My father bought in 1963-64 time frame while stationed in San Diego. I got it home and did a little research on it, and while it's not particularly valuable, it is interesting from a historical standpoint.The Roscoe Arms Vest Pocket (also marketed under the Rohm and RG-14 names) .22 short (not LR) is pretty much the original "Saturday Night Special," which contributed greatly to the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act. John Hinckley, Jr used an RG-14 during the Reagan assassination attempt.
Attached is a photo of the one I own, which is so poorly manufactured that there is no way I will risk putting a round through it.
The link is to an original advertisement for this model.
Must-See TV
Well done, Jon Alexander.
Cats & Dogs Living Together
The NRA submitted an amicus brief in support the ACLU's lawsuit over the NSA domestic spying scandal due to concerns that the data could be used to create an illegal gun registry.
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Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 06:27 AM (zpNwC)
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Posted by: sven10077 at September 08, 2013 06:33 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 06:33 AM (zpNwC)
Isn't this a kind of old story? Or is he just repeating his statement? Either way, deserves to be spread around.
Posted by: Bomber at September 08, 2013 06:35 AM (+Wfbd)
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Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 06:40 AM (zpNwC)
And who would like a chance to win 32 guns?
If you would, here's the long url. (remove spaces)
https:/ /www.nra.org/sweepstakes/selection.aspx
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 08, 2013 06:40 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 06:43 AM (zpNwC)
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R-Guns Lower 79.95
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CMMG Lower Parts Kit 69.95
Add ButtStock of choice
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Special Ops Tactical 16" Midlength .223/5.56 Upper Receiver Group 499.95
Cost sans Butt Stock ~649.85
BUT.... on the "it is out there..."
Mate the complete Upper I just posted to a Polymer complete lower at 120.00
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619.95
So it *can* be done....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 08, 2013 06:45 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Bill at September 08, 2013 06:45 AM (uvyrw)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 06:48 AM (zpNwC)
*She quickly and neatly writes upon a large dry erase board*
There is a gun show at the Trademart in Jackson, MS today.
*Shaking her head and with a flicks of golden ears, her emerald eyes twinkle. Then she pads off as quietly as she had appeared.*
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 08, 2013 06:48 AM (PXI7n)
Posted by: Gingy at September 08, 2013 06:49 AM (aH+zP)
At Indiana University, a publicly funded institution, no less. Indoctrination U indeed, with tax money extracted from U, the taxpayer.
Mitch Daniels brought the smackdown on lefty nonsense at Purdue, where the professoriat were pushing Howard Zinn's commie crap. It appears more such effort is required elsewhere in the state.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2013 06:52 AM (gqT4g)
Anna, depending on how my job situation goes in the next couple of weeks, I may be moving to Brandon.
Posted by: Country Singer at September 08, 2013 06:54 AM (LGM9b)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 06:54 AM (zpNwC)
Actively boycotting Shitcargo now. Won't even catch connecting flights through their airports. Worth a few extra bucks to avoid the place. (Not that O'Hare is great anyway.) I commend the concept to the rest of you.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2013 06:55 AM (gqT4g)
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Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 08, 2013 06:58 AM (MnSla)
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Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 08, 2013 06:59 AM (NHMrq)
if you go to multiple sources you can shave another 50 or so off....
Anyhow I promised Pac10077 and Lad10077 I'd take them Bow shooting earlier so I will...I'll be back around 1pm...
I am going to post the Build I plan on for a lightweight AR-15 Carbine Build for Lad10077 when I get back.
Hope the day finds you well
Posted by: sven10077 at September 08, 2013 07:01 AM (9jfyN)
Gun hatin' university prof directs a Civic Leaders program? So it's like the Boy Scouts, right?
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2013 07:02 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Jim Vinoski at September 08, 2013 07:02 AM (Go8/M)
Colin's answer was clear...
That's a whole lotta wishcasting in that quote. I bet he wants a pony for Christmas, too.
Wonder where he keeps his testicles?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 08, 2013 07:03 AM (0HooB)
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You shouldn't, in order to see that. I don't lock my twitter account. That's dumb.Posted by: Gingy at September 08, 2013 07:03 AM (aH+zP)
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Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 07:09 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: PabloD at September 08, 2013 07:10 AM (43vla)
From what I can see, he doesn't touch the guy, but it worked to prevent the gun hand from coming up. Is that just because the wannabe robber was unprepared for reaction from his target? So moment hesitation while trying to process "what is this guy doing?" and then, "oh-crap-gun-in-my-face".
But say if the robber was more prepared, and took a step back, then it would have been a quickdraw contest.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2013 07:11 AM (Q80i9)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 07:12 AM (zpNwC)
http://tinyurl.com/pvbtuxq
Posted by: Gingy at September 08, 2013 10:49 AM (aH+zP)
You put a fighting octopus on your car?
(for some reason, that was the first image that showed up on first click. Can't replicate it though)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2013 07:14 AM (Q80i9)
Posted by: Angel Eyes at September 08, 2013 07:19 AM (4L2D1)
CM, there has been talk on this vid that it's 'staged'... notice the camera shake- since when do monitor cams shake like that, outside a San Fran earthquake? Plus, it's focused in a bit too tight for any real surveillance purpose.
So I call b.s. on this vid...
Posted by: Mr Wolf at September 08, 2013 07:20 AM (UIAT6)
Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 08, 2013 07:22 AM (NHMrq)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 07:22 AM (zpNwC)
TorqueWrench.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get snippy in the last thread with my "spare me a few typos". That was meant to come across as a sort of exhausted sarcasm (but then I realized it could be read wrong.)
Anyway, I live in the 'burbs (outside the "270 loop" as they say around here.)
The breakins seem to be opportunistic. Although my neighbors have all taken to leaving their lights on lately. (Motion detectors are a waste because the deer set them off every night.)
And on that note horde, still taking a list of guns for a home defense weapon to be utilized for by a smallish Wife. Something that's easy to store in a bedroom (so handgun form factor) easy to shoot, with limited recoil. Preferably easy to find used as well.
Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 07:23 AM (GaqMa)
That was discussed here the otherday and it was pointed out that they used a cellphone to record the video playback. I'm not saying it's real or not just pointing it out.
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 08, 2013 07:23 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: steevy at September 08, 2013 07:25 AM (9XBK2)
At least for the camera shake, it's a video of a video being played.
If you look at the "video controls" on the bottom part of the screen, those tell you that we're not looking at raw footage (no sane video recorder is going to put that junk into the video stream), and the shaking moves the video controls around.
So that also tells us nothing about the zoom, as the playback may have zoomed in on the action.
Might be someone using a smart phone to record a color TV replaying the video. (color surveillance video could be considered odd though)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2013 07:28 AM (Q80i9)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 07:29 AM (zpNwC)
Prolly one of the most popular ones I have.
Posted by: Mr Wolf at September 08, 2013 07:30 AM (UIAT6)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at September 08, 2013 07:35 AM (i42IE)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 07:35 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: Gingy at September 08, 2013 07:43 AM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at September 08, 2013 07:43 AM (i42IE)
When Police Sue You
http://tinyurl.com/nb33wrl
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 08, 2013 07:45 AM (MnSla)
25 The Sven J Olafson Budget AR-15 Build....
I'm going to have to check this out, been wanting to do a build. Nice thing is AIM is right around the corner. I just never thought about them for some dumb reason.
Posted by: PMRich at September 08, 2013 07:47 AM (KDUNf)
Posted by: steevy at September 08, 2013 07:47 AM (9XBK2)
I'm used to revolvers, but am willing to consider semi-auto. I'm going to put in for a concealed carry permit come payday.
Posted by: notsothoreau at September 08, 2013 07:48 AM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: steevy at September 08, 2013 07:50 AM (9XBK2)
Well, sven, Bill points out that the gun of the day is an RG 10; the gun used on Reagan was an RG14 which according to wiki fired .22LR rounds. I don't know about that stuff; just reporting what I'm reading on wiki. In any event, with Hinckley's 6 shots he scrambled Brady's brains, hit a cop in the neck, hit a SS agent in the abdomen (all 3 were on the ground), AND via ricochet on the last shot put a bullet within an inch of Reagan's heart. Reagan still came close to dying from blood loss.
If I recall correctly, .22LR is used to kill more people than any other caliber.
So faced with the choice of having a 22 or having to give your assailant some vigorous down twinkles, I'll take the 22.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 08, 2013 07:52 AM (cHZB7)
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Posted by: lizardbrain at September 08, 2013 07:59 AM (EXDjY)
Pics. It happened.
Alphecca has a link to the State of Iowa issuing a CCW to a blind man. Not just any blind man, but the president of the Society for The Blind. Read the whole thing, but a brilliant commenter notes:
ItÂ’s Class SH3 in paralympic shooting. Not part of their competition program yet, but thatÂ’s just blind prejudice, SWIDT.
Dark alleys hold no terrors for the unsighted. Notice, I didn’t go to “blind alleys.” Edward Arnold’s blind detective Duncan Maclain shot everything in sight — sorry — in that wartime movie series.
Yes, hard to verify that a place is safe to practice. TheyÂ’ll need a
special version of the qualification test. Once you get past that, how
much worse than a SWAT team could a blind man be? Think about this:
would *you* volunteer to go in against him on his turf?
DidnÂ’t think so. Me neither.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 08, 2013 08:01 AM (JNUY4)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 08:02 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at September 08, 2013 08:05 AM (i42IE)
Small weak cartridges retained currency for a full generation after they became obsolete. What made them obsolete was penicillin. One hundred years ago, a gut shot from a .22 or .32 was a death sentence. We look at things differently now.
Before the percussion primer, it was quite sporting to shoot sitting ducks. The advantage was to the ducks every time, with the long lock time and ignition trail of flint locks. Our notion of sporting shots in hunting changed in a generation.
No, I never recommend any .22 as a defense round. In the rare case of someone who has tried several pistols and just can't bear recoil, the .22 magnum is worth considering. Especially if you can load 30 of them.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 08, 2013 08:09 AM (JNUY4)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 08, 2013 08:14 AM (5gerE)
Have to comment here about the efficacy of .22LR for defense purposes. I realize that stopping power is paramount but must say that if I were to put a half dozen rounds in someone's face, from my Woodsman,it definitely would ruin his day.
That said,my carry is a 1911. But if the .22 were all that was immediately handy, no qualms whatsoever using it.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 08, 2013 08:14 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 08:15 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 08, 2013 08:16 AM (5gerE)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 08, 2013 08:20 AM (5gerE)
The nice thing about .22 short is how quiet they are. Fired from a rifle, they're quieter than a pellet gun. Great for pest control within city limits.
So true, especially if you can find CB shorts. Obviously won't cycle a semi-auto - I use them out of a bolt action. Rem Model 581. I got that one when I was 8, you know back when your parents were allowed to determine if you were responsible enough.
Posted by: PMRich at September 08, 2013 08:20 AM (KDUNf)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 08, 2013 08:24 AM (5gerE)
Posted by: PMRich at September 08, 2013 08:24 AM (KDUNf)
At 50 feet a CB gives a marauding pack of canines reason enough not to return. Anything closer though, and you might be accused of trying to hurt the dogs.
I think they are fine for rats on the hoof. Other rodentiae, head shots only. And even at that, advantage rat.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 08, 2013 08:26 AM (JNUY4)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 08, 2013 08:30 AM (5gerE)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 08, 2013 08:32 AM (83xuc)
For my money, the Marlin 39A is THE .22 to own. Inherited my Dad's Golden 39A, after using it for years . With a hammer spur and a 4x scope you cannot match it for squirrel hunting.
Not to mention it's a tack driver and will eat anything you feed it.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 08, 2013 08:35 AM (SAMxH)
Sven,
The Bushmaster I was talking about last night is $50 more delivered than your build and I have a FFL that only charges $15 so that's a close call for only a $65 difference. Hmmmm.Posted by: lindafell at September 08, 2013 08:35 AM (PGO8C)
Posted by: lindafell at September 08, 2013 08:45 AM (PGO8C)
I'll just presume your leg is gr-r-reat and you can barely remember the surgery, however walking sticks are habit-forming and useful in an alley; I'm wondering if you might decide to stay with it for sheer debonairness.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 08, 2013 08:47 AM (JNUY4)
I have an RG 24 in .22LR. Bought it in the early 90s at a pawn shop for $35. It appeared to be a well made pistol, but I didn't know about the metallurgy problems then. 2-1/2 inch barrel and fits my hand nicely. Shoots OK.
Unfortunately someone had dry fired it and nicked every cylinder. I had to file off the little nicks to be able to eject spent shells. It has a lot of gas leakage between the cylinder and the barrel, which makes me suspect the indexing.
Also pins in the frame work themselves out if you fire it repeatedly. I don't shoot it anymore.
Maybe I'll sell it to a buyback program and use the $ to buy a better .22 revolver like a Heritage Arms.
Posted by: Frankly at September 08, 2013 09:03 AM (BYyoM)
Mentioned on the ONT that today is the last car show for the year and I intended to limp around it for a bit.
Time to go do just that.
Have an excellent day, good people.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 08, 2013 09:12 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2013 09:17 AM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Buck Ofama at September 08, 2013 09:22 AM (Eibjh)
Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 11:23 AM (GaqMa)"
When it comes to handguns, find a range that rents them and let her try a bunch of different ones. I took my tiny wife out and we started with .380s because she said she wanted something small. She could hit the 8 ring at 5 yards but didn't really like them. We tried some 9mm including the Glock because some people love the Glock at first sight. She wasn't too impressed. I figured I would shoot a 1911 because what the hell, we were there. After I shot it she wanted to try. She loved it. I put up a new target and let her shoot at 3, 5 and 7 yards. She could have passed the Texas CHL shooting test. When we have some spare scratch, a .45 for Mrs.A-hole will be our next purchase.
That being said, for many years most police departments issued .38 special revolvers. There is a good reason for that. They are adequately powerful. They are accurate enough. And they can easily be operated by people who are "not into guns". While not as cheap and common as they used to be, there are still plenty of police department trade ins available. If they have several, ask to dry fire different ones to check out the trigger action, especially the double action pull. Many police departments had armorers who polished the actions giving them remarkably smooth trigger pulls that you would have to pay big bucks to a custom shop to do if you bought a brand new revolver from the factory. Have her start out with wad cutter ammunition. This has very little recoil and it will help her learn sight picture and trigger pull before she learns to handle the recoil. It is kind of like learning to drive a car with an automatic transmission before learning to work the gears with a stick shift. Get the basic skills down before the more advanced skill.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 08, 2013 09:24 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: pat at September 08, 2013 09:44 AM (KCg4m)
I kept a rifle in my room. I had a 'collectors' permit allowing me to hunt off season. I carried the rifle on the plane during trips home (stored in a closet at the front and returned to me as I disembarked).
You guys just don't enjoy the freedoms I did at the time. And I didn't realize how the 60s would be the beginning of the end. Posted by: Trainer's looking for a Militia at September 08, 2013 09:54 AM (tmzN0)
Posted by: Gingy at September 08, 2013 10:05 AM (aH+zP)
1. Practice cost and recoil. Practice as you fight. Fight as you practice. You're not going to practice as much with a firearm that has relatively expensive ammunition that hurts to shoot.
2. Stopping power. A subjective concept that has more to do with fantasies of taking on a zombie banzai attack at the 7-11 than it has with any threat that is remotely likely to be encountered in the real world.
.22LR had stopping power enough for the victims of Hinckley and Sirhan. One round in the back was sufficient to kill that Australian baseball player on the spot last month. This Georgia housewife and the intruder she killed with a .22LR found it did the job of stopping an attempted burglary-rape just fine. Her comment to the 911 operator -- "I shot him as much as I could." -- should be emblazoned on the door of the NRA HQ.
https://tinyurl.com/lz38m5r
3. Zimmerman. You want to defend but you don't want or need to kill.
Sure, the guy kept running -- for about ten feet when he collapsed dead in the lady's yard.
Posted by: Linden at September 08, 2013 10:16 AM (YBusZ)
NDS 601 Retro Lower 160 dollars
DPMS LoPro Slick Upper Reciever 87 dollars
and they're off...
Posted by: sven10077 at September 08, 2013 10:35 AM (9jfyN)
It didn't stop Reagan?! Reagan's next stop after Hinckley got done with him was the ER, a collapsed lung, a chest tube, then surgery and then a month in the hospital recovering from just a 22LR ricochet. That's pretty darn "stopped".
McCarthy, Delahanty and Brady sure knew they'd been shot and they knew it instantly. Hinckley's .22LR "stopped" McCarthy, Delahanty and Brady instantly and in the cases of the latter two, pretty much forever. Neither ever worked a day after. Same thing with Robert Kennedy, another guy that a .22LR "stopped" on the spot and forever after.
Posted by: Linden at September 08, 2013 10:36 AM (YBusZ)
I would not use nor endorse an upper reciever without a dust cover ever
DPMS had two of my 308 AR upperfs in for warranty for over a year
Palmetto State Armory has better stuff IMHO
Posted by: DAve at September 08, 2013 10:51 AM (OksBo)
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Posted by: Igotnothing at September 08, 2013 11:13 AM (4Gb8Z)
the M and P is a great deal...
The original Designs for the AR were sans dust cover it was part of "militarizing"....
If I were making it for range work "yes" but it is a hobby gun.
Maybe I'll just get an M and P and rubber duck its furniture.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Eternally Burning Liver at September 08, 2013 11:17 AM (9jfyN)
Humorous Thread on the "Sportical Testosterone Inadequacy".....
I am planning on going with a nickle teflon BCG if that helps explain why I am ambivalent to a degree....
fun with metallurgy
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Eternally Burning Liver at September 08, 2013 11:20 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2013 11:28 AM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 11:40 AM (YNK3y)
Posted by: lizardbrain at September 08, 2013 11:51 AM (EXDjY)
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2013 12:49 PM (FcR7P)
Drew a silver-dollar size black spot on a 4x8 about fifty yards away. Could barely see it. The front sight covered it completely (used the irons). Braced the rifle on a flimsy metal chair. Sent three rounds. Had a silver-dollar size group three inches low and two inches right. Whoa.
Of course, it doesn't have a dust cover, so it's useless. Oh, well.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 08, 2013 02:42 PM (celt+)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 08, 2013 03:02 PM (83xuc)
Stopping power. Sometimes it is not enough no matter what you use, especially if the assailant is hopped up on something. Shot placement may be of more value.
People ask me where to shoot at the range. I usually smile and tell them my preferred shots. Throat and knee caps. They usually don't believe me but ask why. Well throat is easy you see you're aiming for the spinal cord. That shuts everyone down instantly. Not only that but it is below the helmet and above the vest so to speak. But those targets are impossibly small and with a fast moving target . . . well not practical. I agree! Fast moving targets you put as many as you can into center of mass no questions asked. However slower targets get those three. Hard to move when knee caps are gone and hard to breathe when throat is smashed.
Practice is really the big deal. Skill will come with time. A .22LR through an eye will do fine. Hunting is great practice. Shooting a turkey in the head with a .22LR from 50 yards is a pretty good shot. And that will be plenty of gun if you hit what your aiming at. Shoot what you have confidence in and what you can hit with. Want to have some fun start a nail into a board and see if you can hammer it home with a .22LR. Then keep stepping back until you can do it from distance. That's magic!
Posted by: Hammer at September 08, 2013 05:52 PM (96zHV)
I did note that a long rifle bullet would fit into it if I cut off a little bit of the nose. I don't recommend this. It kind of rattled a bit when shot. I think maybe it could be loaded with six shorted 22 lr bullets for one use. Six shots then break it and toss it. Wear armor and have someone else shoot it.
Posted by: yooper at September 08, 2013 06:25 PM (0cBMc)
Posted by: DAve at September 08, 2013 07:03 PM (OksBo)
Some friends and I went out and shot some sporting clays this morning. it was so much fun that I may never do regular trap shooting again.
Look into it if you haven't dusted off your shotgun in a while. Shot shells are readily available and $7.00-$7.50/box where I am so it's still a great way to spend a morning.
Posted by: Max Entropy at September 08, 2013 08:27 PM (Hc0n6)
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