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January 20, 2013

Guns & Hunting Thread (1-20-13)
— andy

I Hear It Was Gun Appreciation Day

Gun Appreciation Day, a grassroots movement started in response to President Obama and Washington Democrats' recent rhetoric on gun control, drew big crowds to state capitols nationwide that consisted of strong supporters of the Second Amendment. The show of strength by gun supporters couldn't go unnoticed.
Thousands showed up in New York, where Governor Andrew Cuomo recently signed a new strict gun control measure designed to make "assault weapons" illegal and limit magazine sizes. In areas of the country where open-carry is allowed, supporters proudly - and responsibly - exercised their Second Amendment rights.

Gun appreciation day is called that "days that end in 'y'" in my house.

Eyes On The Prize

Speaking of New York, John E. spotted this over at Weasel Zippers:

Here it is. This is the video where I [ed. -- Republican NY State Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin] was asked to keep the Democrat proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public. This list was given to me by a colleague and it is not confidential.
This bill was an attack on the 2nd amendment and the Democrats clearly wanted to dismantle the work of the Founding Fathers. None of these amendments were included in the final bill thanks to us fighting back. I will not stand silent while these unpatriotic proposals are pathetically thrown at us a 11 oÂ’clock at night:
1. Confiscation of Â“assault weaponsÂ”
2. Confiscation of ten round clips
3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
4. Continue to allow pistol permit holderÂ’s information to be replaced to the public
5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as Â“assault weaponsÂ”
...

Keep in mind how paranoid we "gun nuts" are about the Democrats' true goal being complete confiscation as you click over and read the whole list.

Buying Guide -- Updated

Lots of the discussions in these threads involve recommendations for the best rifle, shotgun, etc. And the gun-totin' types around here are always willing to oblige.

Yet the recommendations are made in a vacuum. We were having an email discussion this week among the cobs, and a couple of facts caught my eye. John E. ordered some magazines from a large U.S. gun manufacturer and only received half his order, and Russ reported that he saw earliest-delivery dates of October 2013 for a case of .22 ammo when shopping on the Internet.

Given that the gun manufacturers were already running flat-out before the election, I'm updating my official gun recommendation to "YES" in response to whether someone should buy a particular gun. If you can get your hands on it, buy it.

Let us know what you're seeing in your part of the country on availability of guns & ammo.

Gun Of The Week

Hard, but easy:

Marksmanship Award

Hero of the Day - Philadelphia: Man fatally shoots intruder - articles.philly.com/2013-01-17/newÂ… #NRA (via @phillydotcom)
— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) January 18, 2013

The Tip Line Runneth Over

'Flounder' damned near melted the thread tip line this week with the excellent collection of links that I'll work into the thread. This one triggered a memory of my gun-rich upbringing: Elmer Keith: 1899-1984

In 1911, Elmer was burned terribly in a hotel fire in Missoula, Montana, and carried scars for the rest of his life. An ordinary man would have died from the fire. His entire body was covered with burns and his chin was "welded" to his right shoulder with his left hand turned upside down on the back of his left wrist.
Elmer recounted this: "When we moved from Missoula back to Helena I was considerable of a wreck. My left hand was just turned upside down and back on my wrist, just a claw extended from the top of my wrist. I used to wrap a towel around it when Father sent me to school so the girls wouldnÂ’t cringe at the sight of it. The right side of my face was all drawn down towards my shoulder, also. I was a horrible looking sight.
I told Father I had to have a left hand so I could hold a rifle and do normal things. Father contacted every doctor in Helena to try to get them to operate on the hand and break it over and straighten it out. None of them would tackle the job. They all said I would never live to be 21 anyway and they were not going to torture me any further.
Finally, I had had enough of going with only one hand, so I asked Dad if he would break it. Mother said, "Can you stand it?" I said, "I donÂ’t know, but you can go ahead and do it anyway."
So mother got a bunch of cotton bats and gauze, soaked them in melted deer tallow, and had a lot of bandages ready. Father went down to GoodkindÂ’s wholesale liquor store and bought a gallon of Old Granddad, 100 proof, and came home with it.
He said, "Son, do you still want to go through with it?" I said, "I do." I said "Regardless of how much I howl or pass our or whatever, get the job done. I want this hand straight whether IÂ’ll ever be able to use it or not."

That's a man right there. His great book, Sixguns, is required reading.

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum, made famous by Clint Eastwood and owing its existence to Elmer Keith. I'll also take "generic S&W N-frame revolver" for the correct answer, as they make several different models in .357 Mag., .41 Mag., etc. Go ahead and buy one, punk. Make my day.

Tips

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1 WooHoo!

Posted by: FURPC at January 20, 2013 05:45 AM (0ImZM)

2 I thought it was a K-frame model 19. Oh well.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 05:45 AM (53z96)

3 Went to a small gun store yestiddy and saw they still had up an AK, a Saiga, some M4gery-like carbines, etc. I think the pricing has hit past the sweet spot now.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 05:47 AM (RLTt1)

4 Joined the NRA like 2 months ago, right before Newtown. Got a renewal notice yesterday along with my decal.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 20, 2013 05:47 AM (MPjT8)

5 October 2013? Good gosh. Maybe I should have bought that weird off-brand 1,000rd box of 9mm at the crazy jam packed gun show last weekend.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 05:47 AM (QLuGB)

6 So of course you guys start a gun thread while I am posting below.

Reposted....

Someone tell me again why there is a fear of putting guns in the hands of your average law abiding citizen.
Was it because they were not trained professionals, skilled in the art of not resorting to a weapon in a bar, when drunk?

Yeh....Baltimore City PD has some PR issues to deal with.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/b4lgcjx

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 20, 2013 05:48 AM (jlngc)

January and February are the underworld months for outdoorsman. Hunting season is mostly over and it's too cold to fish.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 20, 2013 05:49 AM (sHqf1)

8 NYPD needs more range time so they don't hit as many bystanders next time.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 05:49 AM (QLuGB)

9 Just wanted to throw a suggestion for personal carry gun , not to be confused with a service pistol, for all you gun crazy citizens of the old USA who like to pack your own health insurance.. Beretta 32 Tomcat with a Mr Mikes Holster Model 0 and T/P ammo....

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 05:50 AM (x59Gv)

10 >>>January and February are the underworld months for outdoorsman

Yay shootin' werewolves with Kate Beckinsale

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 05:51 AM (RLTt1)

11 You want to know how to spell G-U-N? It's spelled "win".

Posted by: C-A-T at January 20, 2013 05:52 AM (eHIJJ)

12 I finished my "tacticool"-shotgun-as-political-protest. Pictures and a write-up are here if anyone's interested. You might get a chuckle: http://tinyurl.com/amdm3uf

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 05:54 AM (celt+)

13 http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 05:54 AM (GVxQo)

14 Heads up, you're gonna see this cited as a reason to ban gun shows/restrict ownership.

Accidental weapon discharge sends Indy gun show patron to hospital

http://is.gd/j7nnti

The tweep who brought this to my attention with a snide "why should this guy get to own a gun?" is a restaurant owner; using his logic, if anyone has ever cut or burned themselves in his kitchens, he should be clearly banned from owning a restaurant.

But I just wanted to throw that out there.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 20, 2013 05:54 AM (hO8IJ)

15 I went to gander mountain and Bass Pro shops yesterday looking for a plain old ruger 10/22. No luck at gander mountain, they seemed to be out of 22 ammo and I was only able to find some expensive 9mm ammo for my carbine. Bass Pro shops was such a madhouse, we gave up and just left. It seems to still be a lot of panic purchases.

Posted by: gigg at January 20, 2013 05:55 AM (dDD3H)

16 Something really smells here. Three gun shows in three states on same weekend. And all of them have weapon discharges that injure people?

http://tinyurl.com/a5rbrcn

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 05:55 AM (QLuGB)

There was a link at Instapundit this morning about 2nd amendment issues to Politico (ugh), quoting someone named "Bill Clinton", and the comments were, shall we say, priceless. The thrust of the article was the political price that some might pay (like getting un-elected) by supporting gun control measures.

There is such a tangible loathing and hate between factions in this country that I don't see how it ever gets patched up. And I think that this is what our President and his Party are counting on, to continue to manipulate and control us.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 20, 2013 05:56 AM (Md8Uo)

18 For me this weekly thread is like a homeless person window shopping. It helps me dream of good things... Thanks

Posted by: Truman North at January 20, 2013 05:56 AM (ah6uz)

19 Calm down, there is plenty more where those come from as soon as the pedestrians clear the streets..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 05:56 AM (x59Gv)

Anna Puma @ 16

First rule of gun safety ignored. Keep your booger picker off the bang switch. Bringing a loaded gun to a show - what idiots. Unload your piece at home, and check that the action is empty on your semi-auto.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 20, 2013 06:00 AM (Md8Uo)

21 Should be getting a flat top 1911 slide soonish. Wanted round top w/GI sights but the guy was plumb out. Still not a bad deal.

I'm building a full sized 1911 on a Sarco frame. Trying to figure out if I want to doll it up in any particular way. Its just flat black parkerized parts right now, brown plastic grips.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:00 AM (RLTt1)

22 http://bit.ly/10JLPSM

We can't be too far from printing cases.

Posted by: sTevo at January 20, 2013 06:01 AM (VMcEw)

my goodness what a man Elmer Keith was...whew. I don't know if that sort of man is permitted anymore.

Nowadays we would make him a victim, give him disability, jail his father for abusing him, give him a pill for his hand through Obamacare, and take away all his guns, the very thing he became expert on and that probabaly saved him by giving him a vocation. That sort of man is not allowed and is rarely seen these days.

Posted by: thunderb at January 20, 2013 06:01 AM (Dnbau)

24 2 I thought it was a K-frame model 19. Oh well. Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:45 AM (53z96) Me too......had a model 19 in 4"......lost it when my house burned....really.....replaced it w/a 686.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 06:02 AM (Sg0G/)

25 I'm thinking of starting a magazine called Gun and Bridal, just to confuse liberals.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 06:03 AM (o1kXv)

26 Reader C.J. Burch: "There is such a tangible loathing and hate between factions in this country that I don't see how it ever gets patched up..."

It's me again. Barack is such a fine disciple.

Posted by: Cloward-Piven at January 20, 2013 06:04 AM (eHIJJ)

27 Well Clemenza if you're that committed to making a fashion statement, the current Beretta catalog has an Italian padded-leather ankle holster custom fitted for yon Tomcat, and it.is.fabulous...

Posted by: comatus at January 20, 2013 06:04 AM (qaVK+)

28 Will the " gun bubble" burst in a few months. I mean price-wise. I want to get one of those .22/.10 rifle/shotguns. Need something for varmints and peace of mind.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 06:04 AM (ZshNr)

29 C.J. Burch I just well question the timing of so many accidental shootings that are non-life threatening.

12ga loaded with bird shot in case. Opens case and manages to pull trigger. Is this guy Elmer Fudd?

Second one. Guy somehow shoots business partner with a loaded pistol inside the show. Wow.

Third one I can buy as being stupid. Let me walk outside and immediately start loading .45ACP rounds. Then shoot myself.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 06:06 AM (MoP0k)

30 David Barton's lesson on the history of the NRA and 2nd amendment from gbtv via the right plant . com

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 06:06 AM (GVxQo)

31 I had a Model 19 that I literally shot the barrel out in. Traded it in for a model 27 N-frame which I then traded away for other stuff because it would not fit under the seat of my car.

I had a model 66-1 K-frame until I dropped in a lake while fishing.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 06:06 AM (53z96)

32 >>>I'm thinking of starting amagazine called Gun and Bridal, just to confuse liberals.

Won't work unless its all gay alla time

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:07 AM (RLTt1)

33 "I'm thinking of starting amagazine called Gun and Bridal, just to confuse liberals."
----------------

You just reminded me of Hussey's General Store in Windsor, Maine. The sign out front reads "GUNS - WEDDING GOWNS - COLD BEER".

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 06:07 AM (celt+)

34 Vic fishes with a model 66. How cool is that?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 20, 2013 06:07 AM (sHqf1)

35 @ 27 the ankle holster? the Mr Mikes has a clip that fits in the belt or bag and also with a bandanna wrapped around the clip on the holster softens the outline and can be comfortable placed in your pocket.. jut saying..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 06:08 AM (x59Gv)

36 Colorado Alex, gun show last weekend here in Jackson. It was sharing convention center space with a bridal show. I resisted the urge to go look inside the bridal show to inquire if any of the gowns came with integral concealed holsters. OSP will attest to how I resisted that idea.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 06:08 AM (MoP0k)

37 "GUNS - WEDDING GOWNS - COLD BEER".

Get some tobacco in there and you have one stop ATF shopping.

Posted by: sTevo at January 20, 2013 06:08 AM (VMcEw)

38 How about "Shotgun Weddings and Cakes"

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:09 AM (RLTt1)

39 There was a place in Lexington KY that had a big sign outside that read "Beer, Wine, Ammo". Bit of a shock to a kid who had just got off the plane from MA.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 06:09 AM (ZshNr)

You just reminded me of Hussey's General Store in Windsor, Maine. The sign out front reads "GUNS - WEDDING GOWNS - COLD BEER".

Glenwood Springs used to have a store that had a pharmacy and a firearms section. Everyone referred to it as "Guns and Drugs".

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 06:09 AM (o1kXv)

41 Man, its friggin' cold outside and it ain't late enough for bourbon yet

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:10 AM (RLTt1)

42 I was about to say that the above revolver looks just like my dad's .44 Magnum, but I guess that isn't necessary.

Posted by: gastorgrab at January 20, 2013 06:10 AM (FX38i)

43 28 Will the " gun bubble" burst in a few months. I mean price-wise. I want to get one of those .22/.10 rifle/shotguns. Need something for varmints and peace of mind. ------- You might still find nice deals at the local pawn shop. I may hit one up today, I am more concerned with finding ammunition at the moment. I was gonna call cheaper than dirt next week and order some 22 (they claim to still have some stuff in stock online).

Posted by: gigg at January 20, 2013 06:10 AM (dDD3H)

44 I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 06:10 AM (Sg0G/)

45 BTW folks S&W quit making the Model 19 in 1999 and the Model 66 in 2005. So if you have one don't lose it in the lake like I did.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 06:11 AM (53z96)

46 20 C.J. Burch First rule of gun safety ignored. Keep your booger picker off the bang switch. Bringing a loaded gun to a show - what idiots. Unload your piece at home, and check that the action is empty on your semi-auto. I saw that article earlier. I wonder if they might be newbies.

Posted by: rickl at January 20, 2013 06:11 AM (sdi6R)

47 Hardware too.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 06:12 AM (Sg0G/)

Colorado Alex, gun show last weekend here in Jackson. It was sharing convention center space with a bridal show. I resisted the urge to go look inside the bridal show to inquire if any of the gowns came with integral concealed holsters. OSP will attest to how I resisted that idea.

Why would you resist such a sensible idea?

And I initially though that we needed more Gun and Bridal shows, since it combines two popular events as well as provides convenience for Middle Americans. Find a wedding dress, get a few ideas for the reception, register for the gifts. All in one easy venue.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 06:13 AM (o1kXv)

49 There were some great pictures on twitter of folks at the statehouses around the country yesterday. Indy Gun show is going on this weekend.. place is packed.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 06:14 AM (DGIjM)

50 Also found at weasel zippers, every govt agency basically is gonna check you for guns...

President Obama is tripling the number of Cabinet agencies with gun control law enforcement responsibilities in his new bid to track guns, adding six agencies to the three typically includedÂ–Justice, Homeland Security and Defense.
Section 1.e of his executive order released Wednesday adds State, Treasury, Interior, Agriculture, Energy, and Veterans Affairs. It reads: Â“For purposes of this memorandum, Â‘Federal law enforcement agenciesÂ’ means the Departments of State, the Treasury, Defense, Justice, the Interior, Agriculture, Energy, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security, and such other agencies and offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate.Â”

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2013 06:14 AM (p/cQy)

51 I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM

There was a store in jersey a few miles from where I grew up. It was an auto parts store that also sold guns and military collectables, and it was 100 yards from the police station. That was a fun place, go get some parts for the car and oogle at the guns.

Posted by: Berserker at January 20, 2013 06:15 AM (FMbng)

52 The one I saw at Walmart last year was about 300 bucks, I tried to find it on their website, failed. I thought the price was great, but never even checked ammo prices.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 06:15 AM (ZshNr)

53 BTW you would not have known about the pro-2dn A protests if you had no stake in the matter. Haven't seen any coverage in the media, natch

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:17 AM (RLTt1)

54 Driving to SC today. My mom is having some surgery tomorrow. She was prepared for a hospital stay and the nurse tells her Friday that it is outpatient, which seems unlikely because it is pretty involved. Anyway, her comment was "if this is because of that damned Obamacare shit I will be pissed." Bless her heart.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 20, 2013 06:17 AM (/1U3u)

55 I knew a man who survived WWII , North Africa and up the Boot. He was in some deep doo doo and prayed to God as some people do in a very tense situation that he would never fire a gun again as long as he lived if he got out of the doo. Then the Riots hit detroit in 67 and he was at the hardware store buying a Carbine..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 06:18 AM (x59Gv)

VALPARAISO | Fetla's Trading Post will close its Valparaiso store and relocate inventory to a Fetla's store in Knox, company President Ken Banks said.

Merchandise on the store's cavernous sales floor has been discounted 30 percent pending the move to Fetla's Trading Post II in Knox, Banks said.

Fetla's opened in 1915 on Ind. 2 in Valparaiso as a one-stop shopping trip for hardware, sporting goods, a haircut, a new dress or a quick lunch, according to a company Web site.

In its heyday, the 30,000-square-foot outlet stocked everything from dishes and dinette sets to ice skates, fishing rods and paddle boats.

The store's gun sales landed it and other local gun shops on a list of defendants sued by the city of Gary in 1999 as alleged sources of handguns used in crimes in that city.

The retailer filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2004 but remained open for business until emerging a year later under a reorganization plan.

The Knox store has been open for some time, Banks said.

Banks did not provide a closing date for the Valparaiso store.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 20, 2013 06:18 AM (sHqf1)

57 I saw a reference to the gun appreciation rally in Boston. Filled with ominous terms like "pro-gun groups bearing arms and massing near public buildings" .

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 06:19 AM (ZshNr)

58 *blinks at eBay* Got a buyer who has not paid me for some manga. So looking at their profile and realize eBay now tells other eBay members what your most popular searches are. For this dead beat buyer - 48 DD, anime dvds, and ps3 games.

*bangs head into keyboard* 48 DD?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 06:19 AM (MoP0k)

59 >>>Also found at weasel zippers, every govt agency basically is gonna check you for guns...

I sold mine to a gangbanger kid for top dollar.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:20 AM (RLTt1)

60 I used to have CCW here in VA but it got unnerving when stopped for a traffic violation the cop has his hand on his sidearm and asks FIRST sir do you have your weapon on you? Do. Not. Want.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 20, 2013 06:20 AM (/1U3u)

61 Will the " gun bubble" burst in a few months. I mean price-wise. Man, I hope so. I'm good to go for ammo in popular calibers, since I've been considering it as post-Obamaclypse trade goods, and until recently, cheaper than silver or gold. I was planning to buy something to shoot in each caliber but most are ridiculously priced right now.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 20, 2013 06:20 AM (QupBk)

62 I'm just glad I did my panic buying in 2008-2009.

Posted by: rickl at January 20, 2013 06:22 AM (sdi6R)

63 We specialize in shotgun weddings!

Weekday Special: Father's-in-Law get 10% off ammo

Posted by: Guns-N-Gowns at January 20, 2013 06:23 AM (eHIJJ)

64 58 Ms puma,

I'd take that as an indicator that the lead is lacking real world comarative anatomy lab work.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 06:24 AM (LRFds)

65 Golan, register your cars in your wife's name (assuming she doesn't have a permit)

Posted by: Jean at January 20, 2013 06:24 AM (XwRIg)

66 @ 60 you would have thought he got a Felony tone in his radio?

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 06:25 AM (x59Gv)

67 Toby, I'm now jones ing for 38super. But, I'm going to wait.

Posted by: Jean at January 20, 2013 06:26 AM (XwRIg)

68 Guy Mohawk@50,

What about us? We need guns, too. For the children.

Posted by: Department of Education at January 20, 2013 06:26 AM (eHIJJ)

69 (Bear with me, I want to see if I can make a hyperlink)

http://tinyurl.com/amdm3uf

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 06:28 AM (celt+)

70 The answer is no...

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 06:28 AM (celt+)

71 I never hear law enforcement guys reassuring us on these threads anymore. Just a observation.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:28 AM (RLTt1)

72 Here is a crowd picture from Buffalo NY. http://tinyurl.com/a89s7qr

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 06:28 AM (DGIjM)

*blinks at eBay* Got a buyer who has not paid me for some manga. So looking at their profile and realize eBay now tells other eBay members what your most popular searches are. For this dead beat buyer - 48 DD, anime dvds, and ps3 games.

*bangs head into keyboard* 48 DD?

Hey be nice. You know that he's never seen an actual woman before.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 06:29 AM (o1kXv)

74 Sven, Colorado Alex - get the feeling the buyer wants to cross-play. Either inside the house or at con.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 06:31 AM (MoP0k)

75 Gun rally picture from Sacramento http://tinyurl.com/acml5cy

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 06:31 AM (DGIjM)

76 60 Golan Globus: I know what you mean but a lot of states while going to shall issue elevated concealed carry with no permit to a serious felony.I hit a dwi checkpoint awhile ago and the first thing I did was stick both hands out the window with my CHCL and DL and said with a smile "Trooper, it's my patriotic duty and at least good manners to tell you I have a CHCL and a firearm." The Arkansas Trooper thanked me for doing that, and waved me through. Unfortunately, even being legal would cause great grief in bastions of liberalism like Maryland or New York.

Posted by: Bill at January 20, 2013 06:31 AM (xFYVW)

77 One of, if not the best, gun threads on the internets over the weekend.

My nic below has THE best girl/gun links extant. SFW, but definitely not safe for your bunk. Be sure to watch her others (its utube). Also here: http://tinyurl.com/bewx5j2

Here in Tampa FL area, Bill Jackson's over in Pinellas is pretty well loaded. Plenty of shotguns (of the tactical and not-so variety) are readily in stock as of Monday this week. Ammo is in good shape, except for .223/5.56- that stuff is just plain gone EVERYWHERE. 9mm is getting 'thinner' he says, but they have it. You can buy PMAGS, one per day per customer until they run out. The only mags they don't have are 10/22 25-rd; those went months ago.

If anyone wants to hit the range at Wyoming Antelope Club, just say the word...

Posted by: Mr Wolf, Esq at January 20, 2013 06:33 AM (UIAT6)

Hi everyone! The gun thread seems like as good a place as any to post this comment:

The American Academy of Pediatrics' (rather predictable) letter to the President and Congress following Sandy Hook pleading for assault weapons and high-capacity magazine ban:

http://tinyurl.com/bymb4t5

My (rather lengthy) response:

http://tinyurl.com/ajexfk5

(Copies of my response are being sent to the AAP and to my elected representatives, and yes, I am using my real name. Damn the ~~torpedos~~repercussions, full speed ahead!)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 20, 2013 06:34 AM (1OZSU)

79
well it could also be the dept of ed as it says anybody JEF may designate.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2013 06:35 AM (p/cQy)

80 Dumb question, does one have to change barrels (and/or anything else) when switching from .22 to shotgun on one of those combo guns? I love the idea of the combo, but had never even heard of them until a couple years ago. Know nothing about them.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2013 06:37 AM (ZshNr)

I just checked the sites of the local ~~fishwrap~~ ~~birdcage liner~~ ~~puppy training device~~ newspaper: not one article about GAD in either this one or the Tallahasse Democrat (not that I'd expect any coverage with a name like that). Just one little blurb on a Tallahassee TV station.

It's almost like they didn't want to cover it at all.

And Good Morning to you admirers of fine furniture. Looks like we're still screwed. SNAFU.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 20, 2013 06:38 AM (yiIja)

82 BTW folks SW quit making the Model 19 in 1999 and the Model 66 in 2005. So if you have one don't lose it in the lake like I did. The 19 and 66 are works of art. The 3" Model 65 is fairly commonly found for reasonable prices as police/security guard turn-ins. It's the 66's workhorse little brother.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 20, 2013 06:40 AM (V3kRK)

83 I went by the local (super) pawn shop in MS yesterday to get a look at their stock of guns and whatnot -- at 1 pm, the place was packed at the gun counters. And when I say gun counters, I'm talking about over 100 feet of counter. There were say 6 or so busy employees trying to keep up.

They had a few tricked out 10/22s, but no other EBRs as far as I could see. Their pricing was predatory. An older, worn looking 1911 had a tag of $1295 on it. The cheapest semi-auto I saw (brand unknown) was $395 in 9mm. There were plenty of regular rifles and shotguns but they were priced sky high too.

The ammo shelves were fairly vacant but I did see a few 50 round boxes of unknown maker 7.62 x 51 -- I'm pretty sure they were asking for a fresh human kidney per box.

I've visited this place before and I thought their prices were high THEN; now, forget about it. But I saw them making sales, so it wasn't too steep for some people.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 20, 2013 06:42 AM (cHZB7)

84 81 Not too surprised about Tallahassee Backwards Boy, Just north of you here in Ga. the local (Albany Herald) did mention it. Also a cover story about the upcoming celebrity quail hunt. SO not all is lost.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 20, 2013 06:43 AM (tlhtD)

85 Medina County Ohio report here...gun show yesterday at the county fairgrounds was off the hook ....in my 20 + years of going there I have never seen crowds this large. I want a 2 hour wait to pay 6 dollars to get in...we opted to walk around the parking lot see what people are selling and then headed to a local gun store to pick up some ammo. going rates here 9 millimeter, 25 cents/ 40 caliber 33 cents. Guys asking 800 dollars for an SKS or variant of and 2000 dollars for an AR 15 or variant...f'in crazy.

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 06:43 AM (r9JUC)

86 Could a 3D printer be argued as a Press under the First Amendment?

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 06:46 AM (RLTt1)

87 Dumb question, does one have to change barrels (and/or anything else) when switching from .22 to shotgun on one of those combo guns? Do you mean like the Savage 24? Those are over/under.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 20, 2013 06:47 AM (V3kRK)

Scattershot (heh) items afore I rush out to shoot one of my Mosin-Nagants at a local action shootin' match:

* El Cajon (San Diego suburb) has a gun store (Hiram's) that used to be just one side of the liquor store, which is still attached but now separated by a wall.

* Vic - they made Model 66s until 2005? Thought that model went out of production much earlier (mine's a nice 1993).

* On that "Guns and Bridal" thing - someone help me out here, there actually is a southern-living oriented style mag with a title like "Guns and Gardens" or something. Nice walnut and blued steel and lots of fancy shotguns, I'm thinking, more than tacticool or plastic.

Well, off to the hills. I'm usually the only bolt-action guy at this match, so I at least provide entertainment to the rest. Some days my shooting is OK, sometimes not so much (of course I blame the 70s surplus Soviet ammo, not my lack of practice or discipline .....).

Posted by: non-purist at January 20, 2013 06:47 AM (afQnV)

89 GnuBreed might have to go looking in the back areas. Not the pawn shops on 49 or near the casinos.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 06:47 AM (MoP0k)

90 Indy gun and knife show. http://tinyurl.com/atjkfyl

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 06:47 AM (DGIjM)

91
Pro gun rally at Albany yesterday, got only a 15 second mention on our news last night. Complete with the disapproving tone.

Unless you were connected with pro gun people, you'd never have known about it. We have a good network, though, the crowd was quite large.

This will be typical, just as the Tea Party gatherings were downplayed.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 20, 2013 06:48 AM (SAMxH)

I'd like to hear everybody's thoughts on non-semiauto defensive rifles. If semi-auto rifles were banned two or three shootings from now, how would the gun companies work around the ban?

Ruger makes a 10 shot scout rifle. There are high capacity lever actions in .357 and 44 mag, if you can find them. I'd like to see a new production Enfield jungle carbine in .308. Not an Ishapore, but a nice new rifle that doesn't look like a fifty year old gun made in India.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 20, 2013 06:49 AM (wWZWw)

93 2 I thought it was a K-frame model 19. Oh well. Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:45 AM (53z96) It kinda is, actually. The dead giveaway is the red plastic insert in the front sight. I guess it helps that I own both.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 20, 2013 06:49 AM (tOkJB)

94 41 Remember Coffee makes all things possible!

Posted by: Ms.M at January 20, 2013 06:51 AM (+qScL)

95 Garden and Gun Magazine - The Soul of the South

Posted by: thunderb at January 20, 2013 06:51 AM (Dnbau)

96 89 Anna P,

I wasn't really looking for anything to buy -- just went in to observe.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 20, 2013 06:51 AM (cHZB7)

97 I love this. Instead of those family stickers on the back of cars....... gun stickers. http://tinyurl.com/bxbjprm

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 06:52 AM (DGIjM)

98 I meant to add the Model 29 is like the Model 19 on steroids before mentioning the dead giveaway.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 20, 2013 06:53 AM (tOkJB)

99 gun show in arizona http://tinyurl.com/bdnkz5p

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 06:54 AM (GVxQo)

100 Correct about the pawn shops -- I was directed to one recently when searching for a boomstick to round out the collection I don't have. Turns out this alleged "pawn shop" is really just an excuse for the owner's gun collection. Not only did they have a mess of shotguns and rifles, new and used, but also some "scary" ARs and a ton of handguns. Including several old machine pistols, derringers, and other stuff I didn't dare check out for fear I would buy them. Seattle-area Morons looking for scarce weapons should check them out. They had plenty just a few days ago. DJsLoanAndSportInc dot com

Posted by: bad cat robot at January 20, 2013 06:54 AM (wfSF5)

101 So Obama now seeks a 'fuller understanding' of what just happened in Algeria, eh? Well, it's like this ... while you were busy posturing on gun control still more Americans needlessly died in the deserts of North Africa. Why, it's almost as if we don't really have a plan for dealing with these kinds of things.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 20, 2013 06:55 AM (bS6uW)

102 FTL, yes that's what I mean. I've been calling it a "combo" when I should've been calling it an over-under. The Savage Model 42 in my name-link is pretty much like the one I want.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2013 06:55 AM (ZshNr)

103 "seeking a fuller understanding" is the new "present"

Posted by: thunderb at January 20, 2013 06:58 AM (Dnbau)

104 I have an Elmer Keith knife that was a giveaway with a subscription to a gun magazine ages ago. It is a very well made knife with a wide blade and leather washer spacer grip. I wouldn't trade it for anything.

(Bing 'Elmer Keith Knife' for a pic.)

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 20, 2013 07:00 AM (6H6FZ)

105 TheSavage Model 42in my name-link is pretty much like the one I want. In case it is not clear, the barrels are both installed all the time, and there is a lever on the hammer to select which barrel is fired. Please check their website as they have the owner's manual online.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 20, 2013 07:00 AM (V3kRK)

106

Could a 3D printer be argued as a Press under the First Amendment?

That's a really good legal question. I'm not a lawyer, but I've posted many lawyer jokes here and elsewhere, so I'll give it a try.

AFAIK, anything you write is automatically copyrighted to you. The manufacture of a piece of hardware, if said piece is your original design, would be yours. However, if you're copying someone else's intellectual property (as embodied in a patent or a blueprint), you'd be guilty of infringement unless you paid a licensing fee or had a similar arrangement (i.e., legal permission) with the original creators.

OTOH, the proliferation of printers (I'm drawing a parallel to music and the possibility of accidental copying, see Harrison, George) would have to be taken into account also. Think Napster.

Conclusion: I have no idea, but if John Roberts could tax your creation, I'm sure it'd be all right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 20, 2013 07:00 AM (yiIja)

107 FTL, thanks, yeah I get it now. I had seen the over-under in the store but looked up the combo-type online and they were all describing how easy it was to switch barrels. I'll have to go in person obviously.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2013 07:01 AM (ZshNr)

108 book thread up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 07:03 AM (53z96)

109 Well, I had a marvelous time yesterday. My son was home and he decided he would clean all our long guns.

Damn, we have a lot of shit. Even found a Mossberg 12 ga street cleaner with the bar code still on it. I bought that before the last "ban" for $235.

A pair of hump back 20 Ga Brownings, sequentially numbered. Lots of shotguns, mostly 12 GA. Still never found my 16GA Browning that I lent to some fucker and he never returned it. Never lend shit to people drunk, or write down who you lent shit to.

Trust me on this.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 07:03 AM (wR+pz)

110 106 - thanks. Because there's a Congress critter what got wind of magazine printing and now wants to ban the printers for private use.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 07:04 AM (RLTt1)

111 108 book thread up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 11:03 AM (53z96)

Meh.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 07:04 AM (wR+pz)

112 You pathetic right-wing haters, arming yourselves out of racist fear. Lay down your arms and be embraced in the brotherhood of humankind. There is no race but the human race.

Besides, there is a very strong chance some of you might use these weapons to commit political violence, and that cannot be tolerated. The United States of America must be tamed- it is a rogue nation and a far greater threat to the peace of the world than the poor oppressed North Koreans or the innocent Iranians. Barack Obama should use his multicultural wisdom to help make America a more humble citizen of the global village.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 20, 2013 07:06 AM (Yg+nf)

113

106 - thanks. Because there's a Congress critter what got wind of magazine printing and now wants to ban the printers for private use.

That figures. Said 'critter is probably a lawyer.

All the more reason to get Moron Arms up and running with all due haste.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 20, 2013 07:07 AM (yiIja)

114 Its getting to the point there's no sense arguing and we just need to stare all these fuckers down.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 07:10 AM (RLTt1)

115 @6

Baltimore cops are mostly dirt bags. We ran into a group in Myrtle Beach about ten years ago and they tried to steal our hookers. Talk about low.

They even followed us to our hotel and tried to start a fight. One of your friends knew the mayor and had the MB cops there in a flash. That is when we found out they were cops, they tried to get the MB cops to let them go.

How did that work out? Not too good, the boys spent the night in MB jail and the chef call Baltimore the next morning and told their chef about their behavior.

They left for MD when they left the jail.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 07:10 AM (wR+pz)

116 41 Man, its friggin' cold outside and it ain't late enough for bourbon yet

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM (RLTt1)

No one will know, change the clock and start talking with a British accent while you take a shot or two.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 07:13 AM (wR+pz)

117 I have a question. While hunting for the ruger yesterday, the little guy showed me some chiappa 22 double action rifle it was built to look like an m4. I have never heard of them, I was polite and told him no thanks after he told me the do not carry any magazines or accessories for it. Any of you guys have any thoughts on chiappa ?

Posted by: gigg at January 20, 2013 07:13 AM (dDD3H)

118 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 07:14 AM (M0O7A)

119 51 I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM

Bought my first shotgun at an Ace Hardware store.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 07:16 AM (wR+pz)

120 I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS. Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM Bought my first shotgun at an Ace Hardware store. I was just taking inventory of some of my F.I.L.'s ammo cans. Lots of the boxes had Target price tags.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 07:18 AM (M0O7A)

121 brave sir robin could i buy some off of you?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 07:20 AM (GVxQo)

122 119, 122...HK-91 is my suggestion...prepare to pay +$2k. .308 / round going rate .66.

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 07:24 AM (sbL9/)

123 could i buy some off of you? I would consider it, however: 1) I have no idea how to charge 2) I'm not sure about shipping ammo. re: law I am half-assed looking for a weapon to fire it through. What are you using, if you don't mind my asking?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 07:25 AM (M0O7A)

124 123 119, 122...HK-91 is my suggestion Bad-ass...just looked it up on Gun Broker. TY

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 07:29 AM (M0O7A)

125 119, 122, 123...and .308 is (least for now) cheaper amd more available than .223........

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 07:29 AM (b/FsX)

126 125 BSR...what were the prices?...

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 07:30 AM (b/FsX)

127 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it?>>

I have a MAS 49/56 chambered in .308. probably not what you were looking for but since it's not as popular as other EBRs you wont pay nearly as much either.

http://tinyurl.com/b9bhkuh guns America link

http://tinyurl.com/ba9nsx2 Gun Review link

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 20, 2013 07:31 AM (qo244)

128 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it?
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It'll probably be a year at least before you'll find a military style semi-auto (you can't get an assault rifle, which are full auto, without jumping through a bunch of federal hoops).

Several companies make AR-10 variants. I hear decent things about PTR-91s (H&K 91 clone). If you can live without a pistol grip, Springfield Armory makes many variants of their M1A.

You've got lots of time to do research. ar-15.com is a good place to hang out and absorb knowledge.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 07:32 AM (celt+)

129 $2500-$4500. I just kind of glanced...the $4500 one was all tricked out w/bi-pod et al It looks like a sweet weapon though. Was/is that what the GDR issues?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 07:33 AM (M0O7A)

130 Revolvers are hard. I couldn't hit a goddam thing with my Smith Model 10. It wasn't until I got a Glock 19 that I learned to shoot. Then I could shoot with anything.

Maybe it's because I'm a girrll.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at January 20, 2013 07:34 AM (3UIhH)

131 I can't search for the link in this stupid iphone, but there are outfits that make modern reproductions of SMLE jungle carbines and MK iii & 4s, and German WW2 Mausers. Beautiful.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at January 20, 2013 07:36 AM (L8M3D)

132 (you can't get an assault rifle, which are full auto, I guess I was using the more expansive def. of "assault rifle." I never knew "assault" meant full auto.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 07:36 AM (M0O7A)

133 Does anyone know the make and model of the gun used in the recent assassination attempt. It's going on my "do not buy" list. Thanks.

Posted by: mare at January 20, 2013 07:37 AM (A98Xu)

134 132 Comrade Trainer,

Gibbs Rifle co.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 07:38 AM (LRFds)

135 @113

Sounds like Mary hasn't taking her morning dump yet. Drink some coffee honey.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 07:38 AM (wR+pz)

136 More on Elmer Keith. When he was in a nursing home before he passed on, one of the gun writers gave the address and suggested that readers send him a card. A 'get well' card didn't seem right to me, so I found some kind of 'friend' card and sent that. I got a little thank you note from one of his family members that said how much the cards meant to him and that he had been well enough to enjoy them. He actually was a living legend, a person whose work changed things significantly and whose work still endures to this day. If you had a Model 19 or 66, or a Model 29 or 629 or just about anything that shoots .357 or .44 magnum, he was the guy who got the ideas, experimented with the handloads and pushed and prodded people who made them a reality. He didn't do it alone but it he was catalyst.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 20, 2013 07:39 AM (6H6FZ)

137 I guess I was using the more expansive def. of "assault rifle." I never knew "assault" meant full auto.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:36 AM (M0O7A)

It doesn't. They, the MSM, call any gun tricked out that looks like a military weapon an assault weapon. Like I am going into combat with at tricked out 10/22.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 07:41 AM (wR+pz)

138 Brave Sir Robin,

Assault rifle means "whatever they want to ban"

I know the definition I was taught in the Army it does not match Chuck Schumer's

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 07:43 AM (LRFds)

139 130...I believe they used to issue...AR-10 ref at 129 is also a good idea...

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 07:47 AM (DPXnL)

140 The Mausers can be found by searching for Michells Mausers

Posted by: Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at January 20, 2013 07:48 AM (L8M3D)

141 I dream of Jeanne And her Eeee-vill Glock Used to have a 629 w/Pachmayer combat grips. Had to sell it due to hard times long ago. Miss that piece.

Posted by: teej at January 20, 2013 07:49 AM (b9+ZZ)

142 Just to be clear, the term "assault rifle" derives from the original German "Sturmgewehr" (sturm = assault, gewehr = rifle). It applies to a select-fire (i.e., capable of both semi and full auto fire), pistol-gripped, high magazine capacity rifle firing an intermediate (longer than a pistol, shorter than a rifle) cartridge. The term has been applied to semi-auto rifles of similar style as a scare term, like "Saturday Night Special".

AR-15s are not "assault rifles", because they lack full-auto capability. They are military-styled semi-autos, functionally identical to semi-automatic hunting rifles.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 07:51 AM (celt+)

143 "I'd like to hear everybody's thoughts on non-semiauto defensive rifles. If semi-auto rifles were banned two or three shootings from now, how would the gun companies work around the ban?"
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Remington used to make a pump rifle that accepted AR-15 mags. They'd probably bring it back.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 07:54 AM (celt+)

144 143 Taro Tsukimoto,

and now according to NY Donks a 7 shot semi-auto tubular magazine fed shot gun, or any shotgun with a pistol grip, or.......

it is amazing that they think Elmer Fudd will accept any of this, and if he does I will work with the other lib idiots to outlaw hunting to screw fudd further.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 07:55 AM (LRFds)

145 144 Taro Tsujimoto,

Mossberg is making a bolt gun fed by AR mags.....

frankly I have performed greater marksmanship feats with a lever gun than a semi-auto unless I practice back to my old infantry skills.

They are, sincerely, nibbling for all guns over time.

They will not stop, and when they still have not fixed "evil" they will try to univent knives like England.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 07:57 AM (LRFds)

146 119 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it? Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:14 AM (M0O7A) Look into the FN FAL. It was the main battle rifle of over 80 countries, including the UK, who only issued theirs in semi-auto. Was used on both sides of the Falklands war. Every bit as reliable as the AK, and shoots a much better round. Can be built from a parts kit, and new receivers are available from DS Arms and Coonan. Look on the FALFiles forum for builders (Moses and Gun plumber are both top notch) if you don't want to build it yourself. Loved my FAL. Too bad about that unfortunate boating accident.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 20, 2013 08:00 AM (Tjkt6)

147 Because there's a Congress critter what got wind of magazine printing and now wants to ban the printers for private use. Nobody really "needs" a mill or drill press, either, come to think of it.

Posted by: t-bird at January 20, 2013 08:00 AM (FcR7P)

148 148 t-bird,

not only did you not build that you will NEVER build that you're on your own!

//Hiawatha Warren

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 08:02 AM (LRFds)

149 #147 - damn, how could I forget the FAL? Lovely rifle. DSA makes them in a ton of configurations. If they ever make a heavy-barrel Israeli version, I may have to work a few weeks' worth of overtime.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 08:03 AM (celt+)

150

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 09:54 AM (celt+)

Nice. What did all the upgrades cost?

Posted by: Invictus at January 20, 2013 08:10 AM (OQpzc)

151 not only did you not build that you will NEVER build that you're on your own! It's fun trying to figure out the limits of their stupidity. Then right when you think you've got them pegged, they do something even dumber.

Posted by: t-bird at January 20, 2013 08:10 AM (FcR7P)

152 Model 29

Posted by: nraendowment at January 20, 2013 08:24 AM (Msv+6)

153 "Nice. What did all the upgrades cost?"
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Thanks! Let's see - $190 barrel, another $190 for the bayo mount, mag extension and sling plate, and $70 for the stock and forend.

Ouch! I hadn't added it up before. Ah, what the hell, you only live once.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 08:28 AM (celt+)

154 151...TT....sweet!....and thx Invictus for your mention of this...jumped on the thread late and am surfing via droid....

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 08:29 AM (cdgHW)

155 I love my 629. It was the first new gun I bought, back in '81. I'm old.

Posted by: nraendowment at January 20, 2013 08:31 AM (Msv+6)

156 You can still buy a gun in a hardware store, gas station, hell even in a Radio Shack I know ...

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2013 08:31 AM (0rBq5)

157 The gun stores here in SW Ohio are denuded. Good luck finding anything guns or ammo wise. The exception to this, just like during the last panic 4 years ago, is shotguns and shotgun shells. Those are still plentiful. I bought a bunch of 00 buck and slugs yesterday for my home defense shotgun. So if you are looking for a gun and want some ammo for it, consider a shotgun.

Posted by: Witchfinder at January 20, 2013 08:31 AM (s/PhC)

158 The Chief of Police in my city gets to decide if you get to buy a gun. No appeal. FML

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 20, 2013 08:34 AM (Z5BDI)

159 You know what is funny?

Larry Hyatt, owner of the largest independent gun shop in the country, told me last spring to hold off buying bulk ammo, because the demand from the military was slacking off and the prices would go down. This was in May last year.

I waited. I got fucked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 08:36 AM (wR+pz)

160

I own a 6-inch Smith and Wesson Model 25 "N-Frame" with both the .45 Long Colt and .45 ACP cylinders. I think I paid something like $350 for it in gently used condition back in the early 1990s. I guess it's worth close to $1000 in devalued Obama-bucks now.

I never got a Smith Model 29 because I always felt it was a little under-engineered for such a hot cartridge. My Ruger Super Blackhawk has significantly thicker cylinder walls than a Model 29.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 20, 2013 08:39 AM (nYHk7)

161 We need a football thread or something.

The place is deader than Hair Plug Joe's dick.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 08:44 AM (wR+pz)

162

I didn't make the rally in Denver yesterday, but I heard estimates of around 2,000. The big hit of the day was the Bald Eagle that circled high above the gathering at one point.

All those gun nuts and no one took a shot....

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 20, 2013 08:47 AM (jTKU5)

163 Shelves bare of AR platform rifles, mags, and .223/5.56 rounds. (Western suburbs, De-toilet) Glad I snagged my SIG M400 back in August!

Posted by: Warlord1958 at January 20, 2013 08:54 AM (nENpd)

164 I had a Model 29 .44 mag Beautiful gun, but it kicked like a bitch and the ammo was too pricey for plinking So I went over to a great yet mega-wussy .22 Hi Standard target pistol

Posted by: TexasJew at January 20, 2013 08:55 AM (lD8ju)

165 I still think a mini 14 is a much better gun than an AR. I have both.

Course, my favorite is this, just wish I could find some cheap ammo for it.

http://tinyurl.com/354hud

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 08:57 AM (wR+pz)

166 I'd take that as an indicator that the lead is lacking real world comarative anatomy lab work. Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 10:24 AM (LRFds) =========== Huh? Ya mean he's never been laid, right?

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 20, 2013 09:00 AM (paPv4)

167 this thing have a heart beat here?

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 20, 2013 09:04 AM (jfSqj)

168 We need elbows to bring it back to life.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 09:04 AM (wR+pz)

169 167 nighthawk,

uh "yeah"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 09:14 AM (LRFds)

170 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

171 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

172 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

173 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

174 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

175 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

176 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

177 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

178 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

179 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

180 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 09:18 AM (c4IBC)

181 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

182 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

183 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

184 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

185 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

186 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

187 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

188 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

189 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

190 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

191 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (ye4NA)

192 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

193 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

194 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

195 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

196 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

197 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

198 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

199 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

200 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

201 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

202 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

203 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

204 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

205 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

206 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

207 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

208 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

209 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

210 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

211 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

212 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

213 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 09:25 AM (11Tdq)

214 Just bought a ruger mini-14 and a mosin nagant last week. Prices are crazy. My thoughts on the ammo is similar to what we pay for gas right now. everyone's gotten accustomed to the higher prices. Guns however I think will come down now that thet mad rush is almost over.