1

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed – unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

“…to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

“Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people” (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 178

2 Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.

3 Watch for ever increasing restrictions on gun ownership for those convicted of lesser and lesser crimes.  The government can't take away everyone's guns, but they can do is create an environment where people are picked off one and two at a time as "examples".

4 Hubby and son getting ready to head out for the meat shoot. One of the vets is bringing my hubby a special choke he made him. Rugged individualism vs centralized planning. Buy a kid a fish vs teach a kid to fish. Self- reliance is what makes people great, but unfortunately for the SCOAMTT, less dependent and tool-like. Warps nature to take it away.

5 I have the full-size H and K, and I love it! The grip design is great for managing recoil, and the controls are set up perfectly for me. I'm a left-handed shooter, and the magazine release is perfecter placed for my left index finger.

One complaint is that the hard plastic grip pattern is a bit rough on bare hands, but I think it's a reasonable trade-off for the excellent grip.

6 Good news is after five shots pretty much center mass, thug is on ventilator.

7 I'm interested in holster options as well, my standard work outfit is dress shirt and pants, no jacket. Ankle holster?

8 Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 06, 2013 09:56 AM (vYleB)

We need more laws to protect that woman and her children.

Dildo's Law:  All revolvers are to be stored with at least one speed loader in close proximity.

9

My carry choices.

Im really liking my S&W M&P Shield.   I really wanted a .40, but ended up with the 9mm.  Light .... easy carry... very shootable.

In the summer I'll switch to my 38 spl.  Airweight 642.

In my lockbox in my truck.... I tote around a Yugo M57.  Its basically a T-33 Tokarev with an extra round.   It shoots the 7.62x25 cartridge.... my Bulgarian surplus ammo chronies in at just over 1600 fps.  Its design is the Commie ripoff version of the 1911.

My "on the top of the entertain center... 15 seconds away" in home pistol is a Rock Island 1911 .45 Tactical.

10 "Good news is after five shots pretty much center mass, thug is on ventilator." I wondered about this as well, .38 x 5 and the dude could walk out to his car and drive away? Methed up most likely.

11 I'm reposting this from the morning thread, because it fits here too: I strolled over to the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler and found this post: http://nicedoggie.net/?p=7416 He raises the interesting point that new gun control measures are more likely to succeed when times are good, and are more likely to be resisted when times are bad. In one of the comments I found this link: This is an Era that Shall Test the Resolve of Men http://tinyurl.com/a3gv3g4 And there are tons of quotes and links in that one.

12 Last week there was a guy (Dave I think) talking about USAAMMO which has super low prices on ammo. As I try to live the "Trust but Verify lifestyle", I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with them. Any info would be appreciated!

13 One of the things that I noticed after the recent tragedies was how quickly law enforcement found out where the jerks bought their weapons. It sort of implied to me that there was some database that was accessed and not just a call out to FFL's for them to look through forms to find a serial number.
Does anyone know how that works and what the rules are supposed to be?
Does it vary by state?

14

We need more laws to protect that woman and her children.

Dildo's Law: All revolvers are to be stored with at least one speed loader in close proximity.

I'm still a big fan of requiring all 16-18 year olds do demonstrate knowledge of how to properly handle a rifle and pistol and requiring every male 18-35 to mainain at minimum a rifle in their home for defense.

15 I have the HK USP Compact in .357 Sig. Good gun but ammunition has always been harder to find and kind of expensive.

16 Are we going to have a civil war? Will the military be with us or against us?

17

One of the things that I noticed after the recent tragedies was how quickly law enforcement found out where the jerks bought their weapons. It sort of implied to me that there was some database that was accessed and not just a call out to FFL's for them to look through forms to find a serial number.
Does anyone know how that works and what the rules are supposed to be?
Does it vary by state?

Well, I would assume that there would be a record of the background check that was run.  Also, the any credit card receipts could pinpoint the store as well.

18 >> Does it vary by state? Yeah. And like this: http://goo.gl/MrybC

19 Can we get a ban on influenza?  That shit is killing more children than any gun-wielding psychopath.

Fucking politicians.

20 'mornin 'rons, I have the HK 40 for home defense but it takes a whole lotta strength for trigger pull (moronette) and perhaps a bit big for conceal carry. Any opinions on a PKK Walther 380 for that? Also just got box of Hornady Home defense cartridges. What does the red rubber insert at tip of bullet accomplish?

21

Are we going to have a civil war? Will the military be with us or against us?

I'd expect the military to break into thirds: the first third will side with the government, the second third with any rebels, and the final third will simply go home and refuse to get involved.

22 Anything is better than nothing. One thing to be considered is manner of carry. For big stuff, being a 60 year old plus fatty, I prefer the appendix carry as it doesn't have the tendency to cause you to drop trou. Very quick to access. Usually in our hot Arkansas summers, it's back to 2" revolver in the front pocket or my trusty Beretta 950 (yeah, yeah, a 25 ain't much but 9 shots is).

23 @12 USA Ammo is usually quite low in prices. Like everyone else they are sold out right now!

24 YAY A gun thread!! I bought a 9mm carbine yesterday. I Hope to shoot it today.

25 Posted by: The Last One at January 06, 2013 10:08 AM (MDQQ7)

One call to the manufacturer gets the name of the distributor.
One call to the distributor gets the name of the retail store.

26 and requiring every male 18-35 to mainain at minimum a rifle in their home for defense.

Require it of the women as well. They're often better shots.

27 I live in Texas. I bought my 1911 a .22 Mag revolver yesterday.
He says it's perfect for him.

28 I prefer a 1911 for just about any defense purpose but it is easiest to slip a J-frame S&W Model 60 .38 in a pocket. With well-chosen hollowpoint loads it will do a good job up close and personal.

29 >> I'd expect the military to break into thirds: the first third will side with the government, the second third with any rebels, and the final third will simply go home and refuse to get involved. See also: The American Revolution

30 All American Citizens are members of the Militia.

31 So is it the video or pics that turned this into a small print thread? Dag gummit. A gun thread and I can't read it without bouncing this fone screen left and right every sentence. And don't suggest pressing control this or that. No such thing on this fone. I've been trying to clean it up but,,,,,fuck!!

32 In case of a gun ban, all is not lost. States not afraid of their citizens simply would need to expand their state defense forces, more formally codify the unorganized militia, or create a new kind of state police force--auxiliaries of private citizens. Citizens would then be authorized firearms as police are by joining. And that would enable ownership. An attempt to stop the states from doing this would blatantly run afoul of Second Amendment and Tenth, and current practice concerning state Guards and the Federal version (i.e., state comissions vice Federal).

33 Speaking of carry weapons, I recently got an RG17 Derringer chambered in .38 special.  Holds two rounds only.  I haven't fired it and by the looks of it you'd have to be really close to hit your target.

Anyone have any experience with one of these?

34 Fartist.
Hornady Self Defense red tip PDF at the link

http://preview.tinyurl.com/a7xj5gq

35 Washington Post reporting that "White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nationÂ’s gun violence" Link in Name.

36

Lurker here decloaking for a moment.

 

Friday before Christmas the house gets robbed. Bad year, so no tree or goodies, but my High Standard 22 Super Tournement gets lifted along with other misc. clag.

 

Bums me out since Dad got it surplussed from the Army Depot at Rock Island for all of $20 back in the 60s. Sure can't get one for that now.

 

Sigh.

37 If you don't think Obama will simply issue an EO for the ATF to track all guns sales with a national database, you haven't been paying attention. Per that Wash Post story...

38 I posted this in the other thread.... but it bears repeating.

......as to gun control.

To the left: Please please please please push this..... hard. We on the right sorely need something to rally around...... and you ALWAYS overplay your hand.

Always.

39

States not afraid of their citizens simply would need to expand their state defense forces, more formally codify the unorganized militia, or create a new kind of state police force--auxiliaries of private citizens. Citizens would then be authorized firearms as police are by joining.

States should be doing this anyways, hence my requirements mentioned above.  The left wants to promote "community service"?  Fine, then you can serve your community as part of the local militia, reserve police or volunteer firefighters for a period of five years.

40 Many thx for the link Village Idiot.

41

If you don't think Obama will simply issue an EO for the ATF to track all guns sales with a national database, you haven't been paying attention.

That's going to be a nightmare to implement.

42

It would never happen in our PC culture, but I think that a gun club in some of our schools, especially some of our urban schools, would be a great idea. Demystify the items. Take away their totem power. Show how they are tools. Show how to safely and efficiently use one. ("Don't hold it sideways you g-thug wannabee dumbass.") Take some pride in marksmanship. Such a club would probably shave off quite a few gun deaths a year, because it's not the kid whose dad showed him from birth how to respect a gun who accidenlty blows his friends face off, it's the dumbass who has watched too many Tarrantino flicks who swings a gun around wildly showing off to his friends.

43 Thinking of a Bersa Thunder for my second carry piece. Opinions?

44 >> So is it the video or pics that turned this into a small print thread? Sorry about that. It was the video. Well, it was an artifact of the video's URL not being fully converted on the comments page.

45 Colorado Alex, Just like ObamaCare. But they did it anyway. I believe these people do not care if they implement an unpopular policy (tracking gun sales, banning guns) and an election is lost. I mean, look at what happened in 2010, how much do they Dems care about that? The R's are feckless wimps.

46 Bob Owens' "U.S. citizens are preparing for war" statement really snapped me into reality. For whatever reason, I hadn't really thought of it that way until I heard it from him. Hard to argue.

47 As long as the MSM protects them, the Dems will always swing for the fences with little concern for overreach. So yeah, expect things to get crazy with no consequences for Dems.

48 The term "irreconcilable differences" now applies. War is coming.

49 We have the GOP in the House. Not that I'm too high on them right now, I do believe that they would cave on any anti-gun legislation. They fear the primaries too much. It's the extra-Constitutional regulation coming from the Executive branch that needs to be watched out for.

50 Quick question: We've been down the "restrict a heretofore legal product that had extensive laws on the books regarding illegal acts committed which involved use of said product" It was called Prohibition. Worked spectacularly badly. _ Apt comparison? Inapt? My libtard friend denies the applicability of the precedent (e.g. "that's fucking stupid and wrong"). So, I appeal to the Moron Horde ... say what you will, but you mugs are at least honest. _

51  should read ".... that they would NOT cave on anti-gun legislation...."

52 Thinking of a Bersa Thunder for my second carry piece. Opinions?

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Carry what your proficient with and comfortable carrying.

53

As long as the MSM protects them, the Dems will always swing for the fences with little concern for overreach. So yeah, expect things to get crazy with no consequences for Dems.

The term "irreconcilable differences" now applies.

War is coming.

A fairly radical idea is to say, "Ok, let's have a national debate about the second amendment; let's call a constitutional convention."  Give liberals the opportunity to come out completely in the open on their desire to remake society.  Then you throw down a proposal to simply divide the country and go our separate ways. 

54 Regarding carry laws - I was menaced by Latino narco drug runners in a remote mountain region in Northern California. Google Earth "little north fork campground" (b marker). The B marker is slightly west-ish of the campground - follow the creek upstream -see the bridge? Thats the campground dirt circle and fire pits slightly downstream. Drug runners are using this remote primitive USFS campground as a drop point between grow location in the Sierra and distribution point in Oroville, Ca. I was carrying a AR-15 w/30 round mag. I'm certain they would have hassled me -with vigor- if it weren't for the bold display of scary looking hardware.

55 Prohibition is a great example of perverse incentives and unexpected consequences. However, it inconvenienced our elites in a way that gun control will not, so don't expect them to figure it out ahead of time!

56
I have question that I dont know the answer too.


What is the retention length of time for a 4473 form at a gun store???

1 year???  3 years???  Till the end of time????

57 I also posted this is the last thread. Loganville GA is the county next door, where I lived in Ga. ( until very recently). Extreme outlier bedroom community of Atlanta. Pretty middle class, but big meth problem, like everywhere else. I agree, govt. already over reaching. As they did with Obama care. Note how that worked out for us, much to our disbelief. Same with guns----they will try ANYTHING to control. We need to be aware of that, and not cocky.

58 PPKS in a Jackass Rig. Slim, light, hardly know it's there.decocked on safe so a dble action pull is needed for the first shot.Multi layered safety..380 may seem puny to some..but only having had to un-holster a weapon 3 times in 20yrs I don't feel a superstopper caliber is so necessary that the extra weight/bulk if worth it. I carried a couple of BDA 380's for a while. A 92fs when certain situations called for some standard sidearm.for a group. S&w model 42 is my choice for a wheelgun.

59 50-- there is no arguing in a logical manner with libs. They refuse to accept logic. I would go further, libtards love to giggle about the war on drugs, and how it turns people who are not criminals into criminals just because they want to get a little high. When you challenge gun laws using the war on drugs analogy they then love to shriek "A little weed has never killed anyone" etc etc

60 Shit, meet fan. Fan, shit.

61 Even in Mexifornia we had 6,000 people attend Guns of the West Show here in Ontario...That is deep in the Heart of fucksteinland , and Ms Pekookieville... Meanwhile the front page of the El LAy times covers the latest movie by a certain friend of Hugo Chavez, While buried deeper you find that Birthing Hotels for China women are rampant in SoCAl...Some people just have different priorities.

62

This place where the lady shot the intruder...bad neighborhood? Anyone familiar with that area?

 

Just curious how she knew not to open the door.

63 I'm going with the "Dusk Til Dawn' crotch gun http://www.ciaranbrown.com/images/savinifromdusktilldawn150.jpg _ Don't need a speed loader

64 And, these "industry" people discussing gun policy with the White House in good faith are silly & ridiculous. This JEF is running a gangster government and a month from now there will be EO to the ATF on tracking guns sales and the Republican response will be to try and sue.

65 Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 06, 2013 10:30 AM (RuUvx)

If you can keep a libtard friend you're way more tolerant than I am.  There used to be a bridgeable gap. IMO, there isn't anymore.

66

BumperStickerist, when I talk to gun skeptics, I come from it discussing the authoritarian impulse of anti-gun regs. An honest skeptic will at least listen to such an argument. Unfotunately, many on the left today....

67 1) I'm not going to get a concealed carry. (a) If they come to take guns, those names will be first. (b) If the time comes where I need to carry a gun on my person, that law will be the least enforced. (c) I live in Texas.

2) We need to press the idea and get it out there now: Any--ANY--gun law passed now is unconstitutional. "Every elected representative who supports the 2nd Amendment needs to say now: There is no such thing as a further "reasonable" restriction on gun ownership, the law is settled--every further restriction is unconstitutional."

68 Aw hell Andy, ace does it to me all the time. I do appreciate the time you took to put this together. Guess I'll just have to think about canceling my "Super Tritium+" membership.

69 Gun of the week Henry,s in 44=40 ? The first center fire round?

70 I agree with Jay. Since the election, one of the things that has been glaringly obvious to me is that the Dems think they can do anything now, whether it's constitutional or even legal is not a concern to them. It's all about the power and getting their totalitarian tickets punched for every wild scheme they ever had. You guys who keep coming up with the logical arguments and schemes to make them come to their senses are just not getting it.
Stick a fork in it - we're done.

71 4 yrs ago I'd have said there was almost no chance of a serious gun confiscation regime from the feds . Now, I'm not sure about that , at all . I remember very well seeing thousands of firearms being chopped into steel scrap by the UK and Australians . NRA has several youtube vids showing lines of people meekly turning over their firearms . Pretty scary stuff . At the risk of sounding like a bellicose redneck , I'll have to say they gonna' have to take mine cause I'm not standing in line to hand 'em over like some cringing peasant and I'm a moderate compared to some of my brothers and sisters . God help us ...

72 Kimber CDP .45 Taurus .38 snub Dependin on the weather

73 A fairly radical idea is to say, "Ok, let's have a national debate about the second amendment; let's call a constitutional convention." Give liberals the opportunity to come out completely in the open on their desire to remake society. Then you throw down a proposal to simply divide the country and go our separate ways. --------------------------------------------- I honestly hope this happens instead of the alternative. The civil war was a mess, and not one we should look to repeat. One thing that does encourage me though, is that many states are going deep red. They seem to really be embracing the ideas of liberty and self reliance vs being just casual "game-day" republicans. I think the more serious we are about true liberty the more likely this peaceful option becomes.

74   16 Are we going to have a civil war? Will the military be with us or against us?

Posted by: redneek24 at January 06, 2013 10:10 AM (/DeBx)

Civil wars/revolutions are won or lost when the local police/sheriff/gaurd is sent to enforce the unpopular edicts of a remote national govt. Will the locals go with the status quo or side with thier neighbors and friends? Thir decision usually determines the winner.

75 my friend's a lousy poker player and his wife and my wife are friends, and the kids get along ... so I talk about sports with him --- trap shooting, skeet shooting, 3Gun ... heh. Of course, he has guns. He just doesn't want anybody else to have them. My overarching point was the Utilitarian Argument - "It won't work, Dumbass, so let's not do that." With Prohibition as the precedent. -

76 59 50-- there is no arguing in a logical manner with libs. They refuse to accept logic. I would go further, libtards love to giggle about the war on drugs, and how it turns people who are not criminals into criminals just because they want to get a little high. When you challenge gun laws using the war on drugs analogy they then love to shriek "A little weed has never killed anyone" etc etc Posted by: gigg423 at January 06, 2013 10:34 AM (dDD3H) I was just about to mention that that was precisely what changed my mind regarding guns. I used to be a liberal Democrat when I was younger. I thought the War on Drugs was a terrible infringement on liberty, but supported gun control. One day the light bulb flickered on.

77 52 Thinking of a Bersa Thunder for my second carry piece. Opinions? I carried one of those for 6 months or so before i bought a glock 27. nice gun. make sure you have factory mags though i had problems with the aftermarket mags causing jams and i've heard from other people that had the same issue.

78 If you can keep a libtard friend you're way more tolerant than I am. There used to be a bridgeable gap. IMO, there isn't anymore. ---- Totes I have essentially turned my back on all libtard friends. I cannot just ignore the fact that these shitheads are advocating a government that wishes to do me harm. No offense but fuck them.

79 Regarding the mother who defended her kids with a gun. Question of an alternative scenario: IF Slater when knocking on the door were confronted with the sounds of a snarling large dog on the other side, would he have even bothered to attempt breaking into the house? Answer: IMO, he would have moved on to the next house. What's your answer? Premise of my question, isn't human nature driven by fear? Whether that is of a gun, snarling dog or muscle bound man does it really matter when the effective deterrence is the same? IMO, the most effective property protection system is a big barking dog, i.e. the furry version of the pump action shotgun.

80 Carry gun? A Berretta 32 Tom Cat w/XTP ammo suitable for LAw Enforcement or Civilian insurance.

81 You people talking about "laws" are being delusional. Obama is going to issue an Executive Order on guns. It will happen. Stop talking about laws. He cares not one whit about laws.

82

I honestly hope this happens instead of the alternative. The civil war was a mess, and not one we should look to repeat. One thing that does encourage me though, is that many states are going deep red. They seem to really be embracing the ideas of liberty and self reliance vs being just casual "game-day" republicans. I think the more serious we are about true liberty the more likely this peaceful option becomes.

I said that you propose separation, not that it would actually be approved.  In fact, I think that the progs would fight tooth and nail against it.  They want to rule, to dominate, to control and they can't stand the thought that someone may slip from their grasp.  Even worse, for them, is the knowledge that a conservative government would draw away businesses and the productive class that they are relying on to provide goodies for their army of thugs. No, they won't let things end peaceably, but a constitutional convention may force the issue in a way that would wake a lot of Americans up to the dangers.

83 One day the light bulb flickered on. ---- Nice

84 Yesterday I posted about how the mob got gun control rammed through in Chicago. The mob controlled City Hall and the police force...and the only people they feared were private citizens who could fight back..

Do yourselves a favor and Google or Bing "Fred Roti and Chicago gun ban"

I'm stating the obvious...but this is ONLY about control

85 I'm thinking of a new line of business at a marina. Something like, Boating accidents R us. Better start arranging yours now before the crunch.

86 We should have 7 Days in May situation soon , only The Jordan Lyman Character a lefty Commie and the Burt Lancaster Character a more Ike like figure...

87 fwiw - my 74yo FiL and my mid-40s BiL, neither particularly political, mid-PA types (e.g. bitter clingers) and I were talking about this. Both have lots of guns for hunting - not for home defense, other than from bears - neither CCW. Each said, essentially, "fuck that" if the Gubmint told them to turn in their guns. I was ... surprised ... at their determination. I also arranged for a stealth transfer of one of my FiL's 12 gauges and a 30.06 plus a .22 pistol should the need arise. _

88 ref CCW. IMHO a .38 is BARELY adequate if you're really fussy about which ammo you use. Hot loads, nasty tips. If you do that, then something like that .38 airweight is good enough when yoiu use those light summer clothes.

89 An attempt to stop the states from doing this would blatantly run afoul of Second Amendment and Tenth, and current practice concerning state Guards and the Federal version (i.e., state comissions vice Federal).
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Except a federal government that has passed a law banning guns has already said it doesn't care about the Constitution so . . . that's a false backup.

90

Obama is going to issue an Executive Order on guns.

It will happen. Stop talking about laws. He cares not one whit about laws.

There are limits to an Executive Order.  He may be able to tell the ATF to track all gun sales, but he can't order them to seize all semi-automatics, he can't impose new taxes, he can't take a lot of actions to restrict the sale of guns or ammunition.

91 >>> IMO, the most effective property protection system is a big barking dog, i.e. the furry version of the pump action shotgun.

Until Fido bites the neighbor kid, then you're USCWAP.

92 @ 56 4473 retention is 25 years! The kicker is that if the FFL goes out of business anything under the 25 years must be turned in to BATFE. They then can keep until the Heat Death of the Universe! Welcome to GCA 68 also known as Reichstag 38!

93 I said that you propose separation, not that it would actually be approved. In fact, I think that the progs would fight tooth and nail against it. They want to rule, to dominate, to control and they can't stand the thought that someone may slip from their grasp. Even worse, for them, is the knowledge that a conservative government would draw away businesses and the productive class that they are relying on to provide goodies for their army of thugs


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Colorado Alex.... I concur.


If it comes to "divorce".... the professional left is not stupid.

They fully realize their workers utopia does not work in a proletarat of all "takers".... there has to be a balance of "makers" for them to subjugate and leach from.

They aint letting us go to Texas, Wyoming and the Dakotas to set up our own shop.

94 IMO, the most effective property protection system is a big barking dog, i.e. the furry version of the pump action shotgun. Posted by: dscott at January 06, 2013 10:41 AM (EYzt


And once the Bad Guys shoot the dog, what's your back up plan?  

95

Today is the last day of the extended deer season in Indiana. I feel like crap with the flu so I'm done for this year. I have venison in the freezer and one hanging in the garage. I will give the guns a final oiling and put them away for the season.

My buddy is procuring a couple of 55-gallon drums. I have the plans written out (on a bar napkin) for a smoker. Venison snausages! Anybody ever make a smoker? Hot-plate vs propane burner?

96

IMO, the most effective property protection system is a big barking dog, i.e. the furry version of the pump action shotgun.

A barking dog is a good early warning system, but relying on them to protect your house from intruders is risky.  Dogs can be silenced, and there is always the risk that they'll bite a neighbor's kid or the meter reader or get loose in the neighborhood.

97 I said that you propose separation, not that it would actually be approved. In fact, I think that the progs would fight tooth and nail against it. They want to rule, to dominate, to control and they can't stand the thought that someone may slip from their grasp. Even worse, for them, is the knowledge that a conservative government would draw away businesses and the productive class that they are relying on to provide goodies for their army of thugs. No, they won't let things end peaceably, but a constitutional convention may force the issue in a way that would wake a lot of Americans up to the dangers. ------ In theory though as I understand it a new constitutional congress would just re-form a new government entirely. I casually read about this some time ago so I am sure I missing some important details. I am also very confident that you are correct. The liberals will be as bloody as they need to be in order to maintain control. The loss of the red states as they are today would be a total disaster to the liberal ruling class. They will not remove the hands clutching our throats willingly.

98 "U.S. citizens are preparing for war against their government by the millions. Americans aren’t “going Galt” in response to the push by would-be elites to surging statism." HAHAHAHAHA, funniest fucking thing ever. Try people are locked away in the homes with their guns, gold and cases of popcorn just waiting for the collapse that will never arrive. Meanwhile street thugs are roaming around eating and drinking guns at the ready because they know they have the edge on day to day reality. Unlike their scared of their own shadow white brethren nervously anticipating the Black helicopters dropping SWAT teams in the back yard. And not one of these fuckers really understands exactly what "Going Galt" really means because they never bothered to understand that Rand was describing real life working manufacturing people, not sit on your ass home loan officers and day traders. Those are the new gun buyers trying to avoid paying their fair share of taxes by hiding gold coins under the bed. I really wish a collapse would come so as to weed out the survivors from the idiot fucks who think a hunk of metal is the answer to all their problems. The same people who consider statist corporate toady Obama a "Socialist". Brain dead assholes.

99 4473 retention is 25 years! The kicker is that if the FFL goes out of business anything under the 25 years must be turned in to BATFE. They then can keep until the Heat Death of the Universe!

Welcome to GCA 68 also known as Reichstag 38!

Posted by: OldDog at January 06, 2013 10:47 AM (tQYJH)

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Thanks OD...... I was afraid of something like that.   I used to have a C&R license and I had to keep my records, but when I let it lapse... I was not required to turn in my binder....  wasnt sure what was required for the 01's.

100 79 - so I have to feed, maintain, pay vet bills, and clean up dog shit every single day instead of having a gun? That's an equal solution in your eyes? Seriously?

101 re dogs: The TV Show "It Takes a Thief" (2005) proved the non-utility of dogs. intro: "Im Matt Johnston, and this is my partner Jon Douglas Rainey. We used to be burglars, and over the next hour, weÂ’re going to use our experience to test the security of one of these properties. " It got to be funny to watch the dog's reaction to Jon's break in. Usually he just said "That's a good boy" rubbed the dog's head and the dog was docile. One episode he threw a bone in the bathroom, the dog went after it, and he closed the door behind the dog. A trained guard dog would be the solution. But that can be awfully hard on company.

102 IMO, the most effective property protection system is a big barking dog, i.e. the furry version of the pump action shotgun.

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I.just.shot.your.dog.


Now what???

103 There are limits to an Executive Order. He may be able to tell the ATF to track all gun sales, but he can't order them to seize all semi-automatics, he can't impose new taxes, he can't take a lot of actions to restrict the sale of guns or ammunition. Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 06, 2013 10:45 AM (vYleB)


You mean there are supposed to be limits to Executive Orders.   Let's say Obama issues an EO to the ATF to seize all semi-automatics.  Agents refuse to do so.   They get fired.   The agents who comply show up to take guns.  Let's say that 99% give the guns over and then commence litigation.   Let's say that 1% don't and refuse.  Thus starts the hot war.  I will be blunt, I do not see such a scenario playing out in any other way. 


Let me be crystalline clear, I do not in any possible way want any of that to happen.  I am simply stating what I believe would occur given that scenario. 

104 "In addition to potential legislative proposals, BidenÂ’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."

105 I gotta get out of NY. All my handguns are legit, which means they are registered with the county as part of my concealed carry permit thing. In NY, you gotta have a permit before you can buy a handgun, and the permit allows concealed carry. I guess the problem exists for any original owner of a handgun anywhere, or any gun which required the background check at time of purchase. That gun and its serial number is tagged to you. What we all ought to do is trade guns and change residency a couple times, to cover the trail a little.

106 Preban glock 40 Cal. Stays In bedroom. Bought 2 ruger 38 lcrs for everyday. Wife wouldn't carry anything bigger. And I have come to love it. Very manageable recoil with +p. Wife grew up with 8 bribers in MN so can shoot the balls off a Nog. But has a hand/wrist problem. Lcr is the gun she can shoot and goes bang every time. Lucked out and she found a purse at goodwill with a side pocket perfect for a lefty ...even small "clutches" as she says hold it. Now she has it all the time.

107 In states where pot has been legalized, I wonder if guns are now going to be disguised as bongs. Cop: What's that? Toker: A bong. Cop: Never mind. For a second there I thought you had a gun. Carry on. Toker (sotto voce): Heh heh heh.

108 Brothers...bribers are NY.fucking spell check.

109 Protective dogs are great as long as you think of them as a goblin distraction device . Bad guy looks at dog long enough for you to grab your nearest hogleg for serious deterrence or permanent solution to goblin infestation . How long until govt. regulates size and breed of dog ?

110 Meanwhile street thugs are roaming around eating and drinking guns at the ready because they know they have the edge on day to day reality. ================ Nothing like a silly, non-gun-owning, cracker telling a bunch of gun owners (and former military people) what life on the streets is like! You people can no longer be parodied.

111 I am also very confident that you are correct. The liberals will be as bloody as they need to be in order to maintain control. The loss of the red states as they are today would be a total disaster to the liberal ruling class. They will not remove the hands clutching our throats willingly. Posted by: gigg423 at January 06, 2013 10:50 AM (dDD3H) Right. Google fucking Jesusland. Matter of fact Doonesbury recently had a good laugh over Texas succession. Here is what I don't get. Gold and Silver are accepted as currency in Utah, but those who piss and moan the most about Gold and Silver being accepted as currency aren't flocking to Utah. Texas is supposedly "freer" than any other state, but the same assholes bitching about "Liberals" ar NOT flocking to Texas in droves. Fuck even New Hampshire had the Free staters moving their. You know people who really put their money where their big fat mouths are. http://freestateproject.org/ Are you frustrated at the loss of freedom and responsibility in America, while the growth of government and taxes continues unabated? Do you want to live in strong communities where your rights are respected, and people exercise responsibility for themselves and in their dealings with each other? If you answered "yes" to those questions, then the Free State Project has a solution for you. What the Free State Project is... The Free State Project is an effort to recruit 20,000 liberty-loving people to move to New Hampshire. We are looking for neighborly, productive, tolerant folks from all walks of life, of all ages, creeds, and colors who agree to the political philosophy expressed in our Statement of Intent, that government exists at most to protect people's rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else.

112 My wife, Bro-in-law, Sis-in-law got into a discussion about C&C permitting last night. I'm of 2 minds: If, (when?), the TSA starts a knocking, whose house do they stop at first? The legal ones, right? Why permit shit if you don't have to? On the other hand, if I am carrying, and have to deploy, there will be a shit-storm of legal consequences. What's the answer?

113 @ 99 There is the joy of the C&R ticket. Once an item was in your possession it became private property and could only resurface if you sold it under your C&R! Lots of old stuff out there off of the books that will stop even modern body armor with a head shot!

114 I'm guessing most of you have no interest in guns that don't work, but there is a great market in beat-up, old weapons (mainly rifles) that are in crappy condition so of no great value except as conversation pieces. I'm getting one (still deciding which) of the 19th century British guns found in Nepal, I think. Anyway, I recommend the idea for a reasonably priced "antique" collectible for history buffs on your gift lists. prices can go from less than a hundred beans to as far up as you want. Attempt at link in name. If it fails, go to ima-usa dot com. I shop in the "Militaria" category, subcategory "Untouched Guns". That's where the worm-eaten, battle-smashed stuff is.   Much of the same stuff is usually on Ebay or Amazon.

115

One of our most important jobs as adults is to help children make the transition from childhood to adulthood.  This transition includes developing a mature attitude regarding choices and consequences.  Learning to drive, learning to operate tools, learning to plan for oneÂ’s own future are all important steps in becoming an adult.  Power tools, automobiles, firearms, while potentially injurious, are all useful tools when used responsibly but in this country, the most important and simultaneously most powerful tool of adulthood is freedom.  Helping them find the balance between individual freedom and the responsibility that tempers that freedom is essential to raising our children into adult citizens. Freedom of choice includes the freedom to make mistakes.  A large part of growing up is learning how to recognize the future consequences of present choices.  We do our children a great disservice when we claim to protect them by absolving them of the consequences of their actions.  We also do them a great disservice when we pretend that the world is a safe place.  The desire to protect our children eventually must give way to a willingness to let them become adults. 

 

 

I understand that people are sometimes frightened by events that are seemingly beyond their control.  I have been in the field of medicine long enough to know that bad things happen to good people.  The world is full of violence and people are imperfect.  I have personally experienced the loss of a family member to a senseless murder.  And yet, in the face of all that I would rather my grandchildren grow up in a country where they have the freedom to use tools such as automobiles and firearms responsibly as adults even with all of the messiness and uncertainty inherent in that freedom.

 

 /rant off

116 Nothing like a silly, non-gun-owning, cracker telling a bunch of gun owners (and former military people) what life on the streets is like! You people can no longer be parodied. Posted by: Jay at January 06, 2013 10:55 AM (WSgyE) Nothing like another asshole spewing shit and claiming his doesn't stink.

117 Matter of fact Doonesbury recently had a good laugh over Texas succession.


OMFG!   Why didn't anyone tell me that Rick Perry died!

118 102 IMO, the most effective property protection system is a big barking dog, i.e. the furry version of the pump action shotgun. In all respect, honestly not trying to be mean, but you cannot be fucking serious? Anyone breaking into your home in the middle of the fucking day and a crowbar (as was the case of the guy in this story) has no concern with any dog. He forced his way into the fucking home, then upstairs into the attich where they were hiding. His motivation was not grab and run.

119 Michael Michael Michael Doonesbury hasn't been relevant since Ambassador Duke was at the Iranian Embassy. Jesusland is a lefty creation. and ... well ... there are many other things you don't 'get'. Cheers.

120 115 Finally an adult speaks. I knew some were hiding somewhere in the world.

121 Nothing like another asshole spewing shit and claiming his doesn't stink. =========== Right, silly white boy. How's life in your lilly white bubble? Keep on flailing.

122 How long until govt. regulates size and breed of dog ?

Posted by: awkward davies at January 06, 2013 10:55 AM (USjX1)

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Already happening.    Vicious dog laws.  Pitbulls a no go in alot of jurisdictions.

And the State of Kansas this year banned of ownership of more than four assault kittehs.

123 Another point re civil war breaking out, if it does, is that it is much less likely to be in the style of a "war between the states" than it is to be a true civil war, in the nastiest possible sense of the term, featuring neighbors against neighbors. Look into what happened in Missouri during round I.

124 I'm interested in holster options as well, my standard work outfit is dress shirt and pants, no jacket.

Ankle holster?

Posted by: Pupster at January 06, 2013 10:01 AM (Fwqtm)

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I'm "old school" and have carried various off-duty and backup guns in ankle holsters for decades.   Now-a-days, my  usual concealed carry pistol is a Glock M36 in a Tauris leather ankle holster.  It's a semi-custom holster with genuine sheepskin padding (I think the sheepskin is more comfortable than the foam rubber used on typical off-the-shelf ankle  holsters).

 

I don't find an ankle holster to be difficult to wear.  A lot of people don't like the weight on their ankle, but it's never bothered me.

125 Taurus 745 with Firesights in a Smart Carry deep cover holster in all legal carry establishments everywhere I go...

126 Lots of old stuff out there off of the books that will stop even modern body armor with a head shot!

Posted by: OldDog at January 06, 2013 10:56 AM (tQYJH)

See my post at #9.  ;-)

127 If you are thinking of getting a concealed weapons permit, check your state's laws first to see if anything is prohibited. When I had a permit in GA, there was a ban on carrying in your pocket for example. I don't know if that restriction is still there or not; it was there in the 90s.
 
It could make a difference in which gun you buy for your carry weapon. Also, there may be requirements on how well the gun is concealed, leading to the need to dress differently when carrying.

128

I bought a 642 airweight for my daughter in December. (She was a Prog. Obama supporter who had an ephiphiny this last year and is starting to see the world as it is, but thats another story.) Filled out the form very carefully, but got the date wrong. crossed it out and corrected it. The clerk was a little worried that it might not fly, so I said no problem and filled it out again

The point being, in deep red, very consevative coastal Mississippi, the ATF comes in weekly to check these forms.  If they are not perfect, (and they decide), then the dealer is skylined for further inspection/harassement. 

They are going to harrass the manufacturers, shippers, dealers and anyone they can.Thats how they are going to do it.

129 Mike Hunt , you're an ass . I've got land , skills , guns and like minded friends . We're not lawyers , daytraders or insurance salesmen but we will shelter like minded allies regardless of their former occupations , except lawyers , they're on their own , although I may keep a couple around to do house work and gardening .

130

You mean there are supposed to be limits to Executive Orders. Let's say Obama issues an EO to the ATF to seize all semi-automatics. Agents refuse to do so. They get fired. The agents who comply show up to take guns. Let's say that 99% give the guns over and then commence litigation. Let's say that 1% don't and refuse. Thus starts the hot war. I will be blunt, I do not see such a scenario playing out in any other way.

There aren't enough agents to carry out a seizure.  The BATFE has 5000 employees, which wouldn't be enought to cover even one Western state, let alone the entire country.  Good luck trying to get the local authorities involved, since local governments would be screaming bloody murder.  In theory he could order other federal agencies to get involved, but even with the FBI, Marshall Service, etc involved there simply aren't enough people to seize all weapons. 

You might see seizures in some areas, but they'd quickly become bogged down as courts stepped in.

I do agree that any EO to seize weapons would lead to violence, but that makes it even more unlikely that it will happen.  The left leadership knows that it can't win a shooting war, which is why it has to win a culture war first.  Like I said earlier, expect to see increasing restrictions on gun ownership for anyone convicted of any time of crime, no matter the seriousness. 

131 With this Admin, There'll likely be a requirement to wear a yellow button with the silhouette of the pistol you're CCWing on your outermost layer of clothing at all times. _ You can keep carrying the gun you choose

132 I live in the belly of the beast...NJ. I actually had one of the rare carry permits in the 70s when I managed a gold refinery. Used a .38 Model 36 in a sholder rig under my suit. Used it twice but never had to fire it. I have 2 dozen firearms, including an AR and SKS so that is covered. I try to keep 1000 rounds for each caliber i shoot. I go shooting at Fort Dix or a pistol range at least once a month, and have for decades. The only piece I want to get now is a short semi-auto carbine in 9 or 45. I'm pretty much set with guns. The AR is set up as a sniper with a 24 inch bull barrel and match trigger...sub minute of angle. The SKS is an awesome package. I've even got a SMLE. All kinds of pistols. ...but here in (south) Jersey we are very exposed. Remember Me, wolverines.

133 Idiots at Atlanta Journal-Constitution withheld the mother's name at the request of the sheriff, so published her husband's name instead. Is it plain stupidity or that gun owners' don't have privacy rights?

134 back from drugstore


My favorite carry gun?  Colt 1911A1 Officer's Model.  It will fit in my back pocket.


Post from this morning on Lying Obama

Oliar in 2008:

When you all go home and you're talking to your buddies and you say, ah 'He wants to take my gun away.' You've heard it here, I'm on television so everybody knows it. I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away.

http://is.gd/tKxJJd


Obama in 2013 with a massive gun control agenda. It has almost zero chance of passing provided Republicans do not sell us out. This also included some more graft and corruption in bribing stores like WalMart to quit selling guns.

http://is.gd/Mwodde

135 One thing they could do is target mentally unstable people, arm them and turn them loose on soft targets to gin up popular support for a ban/seizure.

136 Has anyone here had any succes in smuggling in a Thermo-Mix from Canada? I only ask, because my trusty Hamilton Beach is coming to the end of it's productive life-cycle. (Honestly, I never even *purchased* it! It was just THERE, when we were in college, back of the darkest cabinet! Missing 2 blades, but so what! I used it!) Whilst, I am sure that my Crock-Pot will last for another 20 years or so, I really do feel that the time is now for an upgrade. I understand that it is currently ILLEGAL!!! for an American to own or try to purchase such a device. But I am willing to brave each and any IRS sanctions, including prison,to get my hands on this nefarious device!

137

Posted by: dscott at January 06, 2013 10:41 AM (EYzt

So, you like the version where the bad guy moves along until he finds some house undefended and then proceeds to rob, rape or murder as he sees fit. I prefer what actually happened: bad guy with five bullet holes.

138 117 Matter of fact Doonesbury recently had a good laugh over Texas succession. OMFG! Why didn't anyone tell me that Rick Perry died! Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 06, 2013 10:57 AM (Gk3SS) Heh.

139

 Like I said earlier, expect to see increasing restrictions on gun ownership for anyone convicted of any time of crime, no matter the seriousness.

 

 

Pleased to meet you!

140 I'm actually a revolver fan myself, whenever I have a friend that's unfamiliar with guns ask me what they should get, that's my recommendation.  I like the simplicity in those situations where seconds count.

Reading that story, how on Earth did a guy survive with getting hit 5 times with a .38 special at nearly point blank range, including the face?  I almost wonder if the reporter got it wrong and it was something like a .22.

141 I can't carry at work (unless I'm interested in up to $10,000 fine and 10 years in prison) but away from work, I like my 9mm SIG in a Fobus paddle holster.  In the summer, it's a purse carry.  I have a little 9mm derringer but haven't found a good holster for it yet.

142

Another point re civil war breaking out, if it does, is that it is much less likely to be in the style of a "war between the states" than it is to be a true civil war, in the nastiest possible sense of the term, featuring neighbors against neighbors. Look into what happened in Missouri during round I.

Not enough troops/agents.  A lot of areas are going to be "no-go" for government forces.  I would expect that the Federal Government withdraws loyal military and government forces back to areas that it can control.  I can't see them successfully maintaining control over most of the Rocky Mountains, for example.  What you'll likely see are a cluster of "free states" a cluster of "loyal states" and the states inbetween will look like Missouri on steroids.

143 "Like I said earlier, expect to see increasing restrictions on gun ownership for anyone convicted of any time of crime, no matter the seriousness." Simple fix - link gun ownership to "right to vote" status.

144 I also have some hard plastic gun grips which I found slippery. I remedied that with some Hogue rubber grips. Now the pistols have a nice, grippy tactile feel. Less likely to jump out of my hand.

145 I almost wonder if the reporter got it wrong and it was something like a .22. I think I'd rather get it from a .38 than a .22, esp. around the head...

146 That's quite a breeze from Mike Hunt's big swinging Internet balls.

147 In fact, I think that the progs would fight tooth and nail
against it. They want to rule, to dominate, to control and they can't
stand the thought that someone may slip from their grasp.
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The Berlin wall wasn't to keep people out.

148 My main concealed carry weapon is the Glock 19

A concealed carry weapon should neet a few basic criteria

- Be simple to use. Glocks have no external safety or superfluous bells and whistles

- Be reliable. Glocks are famous for their reliability and ability to withstand abuse

- Be comfortable. While other handguns may be a bit more ergonomic, the 19 is pretty lightweight and balanced. Other handguns have shaped grips that are easier on the hand and are more comfortable shooting dozens or hundreds of rounds at the range, you're not likely to have to use that many rounds in any situation you may come up against.

For a holster, I like the Blackhawk SERPA. .

- The SERPA ic custom molded for each model has a great fit making dtrawing fluid and easy. It is carbon-fiber reinforced making it durable, and to keep it's shape
- The retention clip makes it impossible for the gun to fall out accidentally. It won't come out unless you make it come out.

-The release is positioned so that wen the gun is drawn, the trigger finger is positioned just outside the trigger guard.

-The SERPAs are adjustable. The angle of the holster and the release settings can be set to personal tastes

149 123 Another point re civil war breaking out, if it does, is that it is much less likely to be in the style of a "war between the states" than it is to be a true civil war, in the nastiest possible sense of the term, featuring neighbors against neighbors. Look into what happened in Missouri during round I. Posted by: piercello at January 06, 2013 10:59 AM (E/6f0) Yep. That was Round 2, by the way. Round 1 was South Carolina circa 1781.

150 Slightly (but not really) OT:  Remington has come out with a steel-frame Commander-sized version of their R1 1911.  Novak rear sights, Trijicon front sights, all the whistles and bells in a production gun.  Really a sweet carry gun.  MSRP is $1295 plus change, which I guess is "reasonable" these days, but I guess I'll stick with my Colt Lightweight Commander that I got in 1972 as a commissioning present.  Took me 30 years to learn to shoot it worth a damn, but now it fits my hand like a glove.  The Crimson Trace helps, too.

151 120 115

Finally an adult speaks. I knew some were hiding somewhere in the world.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 06, 2013 10:58 AM (G6kli)

 

 

*****

 

Yeah, well, you're still an ass.   I am ex-military, I carry concealed with a permit and I teach my grandkids how to shoot. 

152 20 'mornin 'rons,
I have the HK 40 for home defense but it takes a whole lotta strength for trigger pull (moronette) and perhaps a bit big for conceal carry. Any opinions on a PKK Walther 380 for that? Also just got box of Hornady Home defense cartridges. What does the red rubber insert at tip of bullet accomplish?

Posted by: Fartist at January 06, 2013 10:11 AM (DaHbT)

I don't have an answer on the Hornady ammo but a good gunsmith can work the trigger pull to make it more 'ette friendly.  My first semi-auto was the Walther PPK/S .380.  It's a  great little gun and has a small enough profile for even smallish purse carry.  I recommend blue or silver glazers for better stopping power.

153 And now, your obligatory hawt chick with gun pic:

http://tinyurl.com/afzguec


I believe that is a real picture of a Mexican cop.

154 Obama is sure to try an end-run around Congress with this gun control shit.  He will either issue another "let it be written let it be done" executive order, have the ATF try to "regulate" everything away, or both.


What I would like to see is the State governments challenge him on this.  As I posted yesterday, legal costs for SC to fight Obama's blatantly illegal halt of the SC voter ID law were $3.5M.  The average peon can hardly afford that kind of shit.

155 Hi rons. what do you thing about a half million people marching on washington all all carrying weapons. Not to shoot anyone but to show allegiance to the Constitution. Would they back away or would it start a small war?

156 IMO, the most effective property protection system is a big barking dog, i.e. the furry version of the pump action shotgun.
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Read that story about the guy who lived through the collapse of Argentina. Dogs have only one use--warning. And the thieves knew this and poisoned the dogs of landowners pretty quick.
If you have a dog that will let anyone other than you near him, i.e. a nice dog, you have a poor guard dog. Only a dog that barks, snaps and snarls at everyone is a good guard dog.
And you'd have to train it to not eat anything you didn't feed it.

Or get a gun.

157

SC 1781? 

Is that like in the part of The Patriot where they locked people in the church and burned it?

158

Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at January 06, 2013 11:05 AM (g2ldK)

 

Why not get a short M4 type upper unit for you AR? You could put it on the lower you allready have.  Thats what I did. Put an EOTEC sight on top and 30 rounds of Hornaday TAP.

If that lady in Ga. had that, the guy would not be in the hospital now.

159

I believe that is a real picture of a Mexican cop.

She needs to lose those giant fucking hoops in her ears. 

160 I think I'd rather get it from a .38 than a .22, esp. around the head... Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

Hardly, a .38 special is not ideal, but if someone asked which makes a better gun to stop an intruder, a .22 would be absolutely last on my list.

161 129 - Nice! I intend to keep a few for cleaning my gutters.

162 >>19 Can we get a ban on influenza? That shit is killing more children than any gun-wielding psychopath.

Hammers are used in more homicides than guns. Should we ban them as well?

163 Book thread up

164 POSSESSION All firearms must be registered with the MPD. To obtain a registration certificate, the applicant must be 21 years old (or be over 18 and have a notorized permission and liability statement signed by his parent or guardian), pass a vision test or have a valid D.C. driver’s license, complete a firearms training course conducted by a state-certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that includes one hour of firing training and 4 hours of classroom instruction. READ ALL CARRY Carrying a handgun, rifle, or shotgun in the District is prohibited, except that a person holding a valid registration for a firearm may carry it in his home or place of business, while it is being used for lawful recreational purposes, and while being being transported for a lawful purpose in accordance with District or federal statute. No license to carry is available. NONRESIDENTS A nonresident participating in any lawful recreational firearm-related activity in the District, or on his/her way to or from such activity in another jurisdiction, may possess a firearm if the firearm is unloaded and, if transported in a vehicle, is not readily accessible or directly accessible from the passenger compartment, or, if there is no compartment separate from the driver’s compartment, is in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. If not transported in a vehicle, the firearm must be unloaded, inside a locked contained, and separate from ammunition. The person should be able to “exhibit proof” that he is on his way to or from such activity, and that his/her possession of the firearm is lawful in the jurisdiction in which he/she resides.

165 - The work around comes from my time spent in bars in dry counties in Texas back in the 80s. You had to join the club for $2 to get a card which allowed you to drink - plus you got $2 off your first drink. Soooooooooooo ..... the work-around is for the Governor to deputize everybody who wants to be in the state Militia to be in the Militia. _ Easy Peazy Trigger Squeazy _

166 I gotta get out of NY. All my handguns are legit, which means they are registered with the county as part of my concealed carry permit thing.
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So sorry to hear about your boating accident. The good thing is, at least you were able to swim back to shore. Too bad about the guns though.

167 it's no longer Christmas

168 Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 12th day of Christmas at January 06, 2013 11:20 AM (GVxQo)

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Yeah...but those rules are for the little people.

169

Hi rons. what do you thing about a half million people marching on washington all all carrying weapons. Not to shoot anyone but to show allegiance to the Constitution. Would they back away or would it start a small war?

Bad idea.  It would be very difficult to get that many people and guns to DC, and you'd pretty much start a show down while setting yourself up as the bad guy.

 

170 Hammers are used in more homicides than guns. Should we ban them as well? Posted by: Albie Damned at January 06, 2013 11:19 AM (Yhu4q) Well, maybe just ban the semi auto pneumatic nail guns.

171 >>>Hammers are used in more homicides than guns. Should we ban them as well?

I lost all of my hammers in a roofing accident.

172 Yo peeps For an excellent c/c piece I highly recommend the Springfield XDs Inch thin, .45acp, smooth as butter through my cat's ass Me and mrs navycop have matching his and hers Great great piece AND it looks evil so hippies will go nuts

173 155 Hi rons. what do you thing about a half million people marching on washington all all carrying weapons. Not to shoot anyone but to show allegiance to the Constitution. Would they back away or would it start a small war? Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 06, 2013 11:16 AM (l86i3) I've been thinking about a march on Washington without guns, but with everyone just carrying high-capacity magazines. If that doesn't get the point across, then move up to guns.

174 What is this? My anus erupts like a volcano, yet there is no smell!?

175 What is this? My anus erupts like a volcano, yet there is no smell!? Posted by: Hike Munt at January 06, 2013 11:23 AM (P1xyf) Cause that's jism you stupid Mother Fucka. Now back on yo knees fo I takes off my belt.

176 Wow, some nasty gun grabbing lefty types in that thread over at TPM.

177 Wow, some nasty gun grabbing lefty types in that thread over at TPM. Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 06, 2013 11:24 AM (IgvLC) Probably all from the same Washington call center.

178 I ran across an article titled, An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power.

Interesting analysis by a firearms training officer.  Most interestingly is the two different modes of stopping an attacker - the psychological and physical.  It's interesting how many attackers give up after a single shot, regardless of caliber.

Read the full article here.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power

179 157 SC 1781? Is that like in the part of The Patriot where they locked people in the church and burned it? Posted by: USS Diversity at January 06, 2013 11:16 AM (MPjT I don't know whether anything like the church burning happened in real life. I thought that scene was a little over the top in the movie. I could be wrong, though. But from what I've read, SC in 1781 was pretty much neighbor vs. neighbor choosing different sides.

180 Well, hoooly sheit, I'm on the main page. I'm all famous and shit. Thanks Andy!

181 Hardly, a .38 special is not ideal, but if someone asked which makes a better gun to stop an intruder, a .22 would be absolutely last on my list. I would tend to agree. A .22 is best for teaching kids to shoot. My shitty opinion but there it is. I hear a 22mag can do some proper damage, but it is limited to revolvers I think. To each his own, and a 22 is better than a butterknife but if you are looking to purchase a smallish weapon for home defense I would look a little higher than a 22. I think a lot of people are size queens regarding guns, so the main concern is to buy something you are comfortable firing.

182 Well, hoooly sheit, I'm on the main page. I'm all famous and shit. Thanks Andy! Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 06, 2013 11:29 AM (GEICT) Wouldn't that be notorious?

183 Another shooting in Aurora too, in case you guys didn't see it. You're all fucking assholes. Please use your gunz on yourselves, and do this nation a huge favor.

184 180. No, it actually means we know you aren't armed yet So.... Whatcha got for us boss?

185 That was a lignting-fast bustin'.

186 Sniff... hmmm. I smell little green shitballs.

187 183 180. No, it actually means we know you aren't armed yet So.... Whatcha got for us boss? Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 06, 2013 11:32 AM (WLpAT) Who the hell said I wasn't armed? I said I was in the market for a CC option. Assume I'm unarmed at your own risk.

188 184 Hike Munt Yeah. I was just about to reply thusly: I don’t remember where I saw it, but yesterday I read a comment which said that after 9/11 if you had suggested that all Muslims should be rounded up and deported, the liberals would have said, “What? You can’t stigmatize a whole group of people for the actions of a demented few.” That doesn’t seem to apply now.

189 BCochran1981: There were a couple of troll comments that got nuked right sharply. I don't think Navycopjoe was replying to you.

190 Ahhhhh....gotcha. My bad then NCJ!

191 The lib response to that being: Apples and oranges. Unlike guns, Muslims aren't designed for killing.

Oh... wait...

192 Which illustrates AtC's point about referring to comments by number only. Most of the time it works OK, but sometimes it causes needless confusion.

193 My purse gun is an Airweight. I recently bought the Crimson Trace for it but haven't put it on yet. Obama, DiFi and the other tyrannical idiots have kicked a fire ant mound. I'm not at all surprised by this attempted gun grab, since that is the default position of leftists, but I am shocked by the determination the grabbers are showing. I have a bad feeling about this. One thing I've learned from all this is I should've been stockpiling ammo as many morons have recommended. We only have 60 rounds to feed the eeevil Christmas Bushmaster, and now I think I need to hoard those rounds until I can buy some more.

194 I lost all my potatoes in a tractor accident.

195 Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Speaker set the calendar for floor votes in the house? Why in Gods name would Boehner even set any kind of law for a vote? His problem from our end is that he's gutless and too pragmatic. It seems like the gutless and pragmatic thing to do would be to delay a vote in the house to the 4th of never or so saying they have to focus on stuff like, I don't know 16 trillion of debt.

196 >>Hi rons. what do you thing about a half million people marching on washington all all carrying weapons. Not to shoot anyone but to show allegiance to the Constitution. Would they back away or would it start a small war?<<

VA has reciprocal agreements with many other states. MD doesn't honor any.

MD residents could act as a small diversionary flank as the rest of us could amass in VA for the march.

If this sounds extremist, I frankly don't give a shit, but I'm not afraid of fighting for my constitutional rights. Fuck 'em

197 One thing I've learned from all this is I should've been stockpiling ammo as many morons have recommended. We only have 60 rounds to feed the eeevil Christmas Bushmaster, and now I think I need to hoard those rounds until I can buy some more.

Yep.  Me too.  I got lucky and bought some RIGHT before the price spikes.  The best I've seen is around 70 cents/rd in bulk for 55gr ammo.  I would hang onto those 60 rounds you have like gold, because it is gold!

198 Weird--my hash is my neighbors' last name. One bad thing about the Airweight .38 I carry--I really HATE shooting it, so I rarely practice with it. It hurts the nerves in my hand no matter how I grip it. I have no problem shooting my little Kahr 9, or our large frame .357 car guns, but the .38 snubby is just unpleasant to shoot for me.

199
   Back from the range-older grandaughter showed us all up today.  We used the Woodsman and she was on fire.  May have to break a couple of her fingers to regain my advantage.


    Just makes me SO proud.

200 Little late to the thread, but I carry an XDS in either a made-for-concealed-carry purse, or in a Flashbang holster.

201 Do any of the 'ettes habe experience with the 'Flashbang' holster. Trying to gather info so pics would be greatly appreciated.

202 101 re dogs: The TV Show "It Takes a Thief" (2005) proved the non-utility of dogs. intro: "Im Matt Johnston, and this is my partner Jon Douglas Rainey. We used to be burglars, and over the next hour, weÂ’re going to use our experience to test the security of one of these properties. " It got to be funny to watch the dog's reaction to Jon's break in. Usually he just said "That's a good boy" rubbed the dog's head and the dog was docile. One episode he threw a bone in the bathroom, the dog went after it, and he closed the door behind the dog. A trained guard dog would be the solution. But that can be awfully hard on company. Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 06, 2013 10:52 AM (RuUvx) Local news did a test on that.. yeah.. every single dog rolled over once the intruder gave them a treat. all the dog owners were shocked to watch their dog on hidden camera chew away as the bad guy ransacked their home.

203 I am kind of curious, does anyone else notice society crumbling at the edges a bit? My small rural town (around 3.2k) now has a gang that robs houses and burns them down. A woman my mother knows even said she and her husband had to move to town a while back from the country because their house kept getting broken into. This is a very new thing for us and I have to say its pretty scary.

204 Posted by: Drew in MO at January 06, 2013 12:12 PM (cGlgB) I live on a Cul-de-sac with about 10 houses. Lots of kids and a few stay at home moms. We really pay attention to every car and human that doesn't belong. Our relationship as neighbors is making a huge difference. .

205 My small rural town (around 3.2k) now has a gang that robs houses and burns them down. A woman my mother knows even said she and her husband had to move to town a while back from the country because their house kept getting broken into. This is a very new thing for us and I have to say its pretty scary.

They're betting that the local cops' response times are lower since they are less resourced, or that there are fewer neighbours to see something happening so less opportunity for them to be spotted.

206 "“My wife’s a hero,” the woman’s husband, Donnie Herman, told Channel 2 Action News in a brief statement. He did not respond to a request for comment from the AJC."

Mr. Herman recognized the real enemy and reacted appropriately.

207 I meant to say that the cops' response times are slower.

208 I believe in a layered defense. The dog will wake me up, and I'll take it from there. Doesn't have to be mean or big. Just territorial.

209 Posted by: EC at January 06, 2013 11:58 AM (doBIb) You were smart. I want to start buying and stockpiling but everyone else is going to do the same thing, so it seems to me there is no end in sight for this shortage.

210 Posted by: Drew in MO at January 06, 2013 12:12 PM (cGlgB) I think its becoming soul less. At my brothers church in Chicago... the Priest apologized if anyone was 'offended' at the Christmas decorations. wrap your head around that.

211 I want to start buying and stockpiling but everyone else is going to do the same thing, so it seems to me there is no end in sight for this shortage.

It was just sheer luck.  I happened to buy a rifle, immediately before the shooting, but bought extra mags and ammo right afterwards before the market could react.  I just made it by the literal skin of my teeth before the prices shot through the roof.

There are still places to buy online, you just have to watch like a hawk and jump on the moment when it comes.

If you are interested, Luckygunner.com has the .223 ammo for around 70 cents/rd in bulk.  It's the cheapest I've seen for an online vendor that will ship next day and not 60-90 days out.  Just keep checking during the early hours of the day.

212 Mr. Herman recognized the real enemy and reacted appropriately.

Posted by: mrp at January 06, 2013 12:16 PM (HjPtV)

Everyone in GA knows that the AJC is a POS Democrat PR rag.

213 We use live on a nice little working class street but now most of the houses are empty or rented out to people on government support who run up the utility bills and then move somewhere else. It would be nice if there were a community to look out for each other but there isn't much of a community anymore.

214 hey, this thing on?

215 If you are interested, Luckygunner.com has the .223 ammo for around 70 cents/rd in bulk. It's the cheapest I've seen for an online vendor that will ship next day and not 60-90 days out. Just keep checking during the early hours of the day. Thanks! I'll try that. I haven't found anything at the brick and mortar stores.

216 Any NC moron present? I'm planning to take the concealed carry course, but hoping to make my decision on whether to actually apply for the permit after the fact. Still weighing how valuable it is to keep flying under the radar. All my guns are legal, but only one has a paper trail to me, and it's not a hand-gun.

217 six months ago you could get .223 for $35 per rounnd crazy days

218 Paid .50 a round on Monday after the madness. Bought last 400 rounds I saw.

219 ANYONE can fill out a online "witness slip" against this current Illinois gun grabbing stupidity until 1:45 PM CST today...

http://bit.ly/WmfusI

1. Click on the above link.
2. Enter a Name, Address, City, State, and Zip Code
3. Enter "None" or "NA" in the following fields: Firm/Business Or Agency and Title (Don't enter "N/A" as the form will reject it.)
4. Enter your Email Address and Phone Number (Fax Optional)
5. Enter "None" or "NA" in the following field: Representation (Don't enter "N/A" as the form will reject it.)
6. Choose "Opponent" for Position (radio button)
7. Choose "Record Of Appearance Only" for TESTIMONY section
8. Agree to the ILGA Terms of Agreement (bottom left)
9. Key in different colored numbers and letters in the box where it says "Type text above"
10. Click button "Create (Slip)" (bottom right) and you're done.

220 zero .223 or 5.56 at Luckygunner in any brand, package, or quantity..

ZEE- ROE

221 So what did 'The Rifleman' carry in the TV series?

222 If I remember, the rifleman had a model 94 with a big loop lever

223 Cheerleader thread is up three minutes ago. Guess this thread is toast.

224 sharp elbows are up

225 Just Binged the flashbang holster.
You ladies have a decided advantage in the concealed carry department.

226 I have a 1911 just because that's what I trained on and that's what I qualified on through the years. In an actual "holy shit" moment, I think I could still put two in the center of mass without having to think about what to do. In my first squadron we all carried colt 38 detective specials because the CO said we should in case we had to eject over land. Thank God I never had to.

227 Yay for dead black people, right guys?

228 Any NC moron present? I'm planning to take the concealed carry course, but hoping to make my decision on whether to actually apply for the permit after the fact. Still weighing how valuable it is to keep flying under the radar. All my guns are legal, but only one has a paper trail to me, and it's not a hand-gun.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 06, 2013 12:34 PM (4Mv1T)

Get it. You've already taken the class, and if you have ever bought a handgun in NC you have applied for a pistol purchase permit so you are already on whatever lists there are. Besides, having the permit does not necessarily mean you have anything but a pistol. Take me for example, I don't have any guns. I do have pictures I have taken of friends guns...before they were lost at sea during the latest hurricane...

229 ANYONE can fill out a online "witness slip" against this current Illinois gun grabbing stupidity until 1:45 PM CST today...

Posted by: Hank Curmudgeon at January 06, 2013 12:40 PM (4jZ5+)

And no politician outside of Ill-noise gives a rat fuck about what anyone not in their constituency thinks. Hell, they barely give a rat fuck about what their own constituents think. All politics are local.

230 Rifleman had a Winchester 1892

231 If I remember, the Rifleman had a model 94 with a big loop lever Loved watching that show as a kid. I'm guessing there won't be a remake.

232 M1s are still around a $1k, and I just got an arc welder today.

233 M1s are still around a $1k, and I just got an arc welder today. Posted by: Invictus at January 06, 2013 01:43 PM (OQpzc) the Garand or M1A?

234 Rifleman had a Winchester 1892 Posted by: RWC at January 06, 2013 01:40 PM (sqp6o) thanks I didn't think it was a 74 or 86

235 the Garand or M1A?

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 06, 2013 01:48 PM (jfSqj)

 

Garand. M1As are around $3k last time I looked.

236 The Flashbang holster is the coolest thing. That same company makes another bra holster - that one attaches to the side and wears much like a shoulder holster. That one can be worn with virtually any bra (including strapless) and the gun is accessible from the top, so that'd be a better option if you're wearing a dress or can't access from underneath for any reason. Lisa Looper (owner) has pictures of herself wearing as many as seven guns, all but one completely undetectable under normal "girl" clothes.

237 22LR will kill you dead, in sufficient quantity and placement. And it costs a nickel a pop.

238 I don't argue with libs. I just carry and keep my mouth shut.

239

Hey Andy, is there enough to say about gun safes for it to be a topic next week?

 

I was thinking one would be a good idea. I was thinking a combo lock would keep the guns from the kids but let us get to them quickly without finding a key.

 

I do not know what else I should be thinking.

 

Except that I probably shouldn't post such an open ended statement here...

 

240 For those owning AKs or SKSs with 7.62 x 39, Cheaper Than Dirt has one 500 round ammo sale left--it's lacquered Brown Bear but it's also the only game in town. I managed to get a good buy on 1000 rounds bulk on Wolf just before they sold out. My local gun shop is pricing them through the roof as a rationing measure. Just a suggestion, but it seems to me now would be a good time to start networking with 5-10 like-minded friends in your general area whose faces and names you know. Form a book discussion group. Meet informally in person once a week or so (and be prepared to discuss that book at length and in-depth should anyone ask). One should never stop growing and learning.

241 if you are looking for ammo might check here http://sheepdogammo.com/

242 Posted by: troyriser at January 06, 2013 02:00 PM (ptcFO) another thought is join a gun club or start shooting at local matches here in ID the guys who shoot at matches are a great group of guys, and a great resource to have. they can answer a ton of questions collectively

243 Posted by: Mama AJ at January 06, 2013 01:56 PM (SUKHu) Check out the Q-line safety shelving. Granted, if the kids are inquisitive they'd probably get in. But with no kids in the house it looks like a good option.

244 Posted by: AngelEm at January 06, 2013 01:52 PM (Szp0P) be very careful if you use this holster you dont want an Accidental Discharge into your chest you got to pravtice keeping your trigger finger off the trigger until you get the gun in front of you

245 A buck a round is too much for 5.56. I won't expect to pay that much if it was smuggled from Mexico.

246

>>Check out the Q-line safety shelving.

 

Oh, nifty.

247 And just to be clear, i posted that Flashbang as a joke. No way would i reccomend it.

248

And you'd have to train it to not eat anything you didn't feed it.

 

I've heard of rural fold who train all their dogs not to eat without permission. This keeps them from eating poisoned meat set out for coyotes/wolves.

249 aparently the 'model' who is demonstrating the Flashbang is single/no ring see here http://flashbangholster.com/the_flashbang

250 188 189. No, actually I was Just gotta catch him out of his house But then again, who would post hawt cheerleader pics? He gets a pass

251 Posted by: Jake in ID at January 06, 2013 02:20 PM (jfSqj) If it's the same girl in their instruction video, sorry Jake. She got a baby daddy :-P

252 People have been gearing up for war over the past 4 years.  Firearms and ammunition haven't been purchased at a record rate with the intention of meekly turning them in to the government.

That said, if the government does attempt that drastic an overreach, the most likely response is a military coup.  The "perfumed princes" have to be ambitious to get their stars, have a number of reasons to dislike this administration rather intensely, and wouldn't be terribly happy to be set up as scapegoats having to fight irregular warfare against the American population.  (Specifically, the demographic of the American population where the military finds most of their combat arms recruits.)  We like to sweep it under the rug and forget about it, but there have been several times in our history when we've been on the brink of a military coup--to popular support. 

The more likely course, though, is divide and conquer.  The urban areas first, then the suburban. 
The rural areas won't really be touched until we're to be turned into helots or kulaks, at which point we're already into "Total War" territory.

Re: smoker.  Wood is the best if you're looking for survivalist mode.  Just weld a firebox onto the side of the barrel, and cut about a 2"-3" diameter hole between the two at the bottom of the firebox.
If you're just looking to preserve stuff now, go with the hot plate.  Here's one of the better ways to go about it. http://makeprojects.com/Project/Clay+Pot+Smoker/877/1#.UOneqnfw4VA

253 Upon much further inspection the lady in the vid has older hands than the model and the lady in the vid has at least a cup size on the model also but hey, I'm a moron and well you know

254 Perhaps I'm dense, but it seems to me that any gun ban is really an exercise in futility as long as there are competent artisans out there with access to a well-equipped machine shop. I seem to recall that during WW2 very simple guns (Bren? Sten?) were not only mass-produced but the plans were released to people in Nazi- occupied countries so that local resistance cells could arm themselves. Are we worried that the gov't will monitor all machine shops too?

255 "Americans aren’t “going Galt” in response to the push by would-be elites to surging statism. We’re on the cusp of going Häyhä."

Sounds good to me. The ruling class would do well to heed the warning that the current trends are sending.

256 Its been fun being a little fag troll for a while. Now back to being a commie cunt back at DU. Ta Ta

257 This would be fun to have: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323978260

258

a dog is a very good deterrent in certain situations. the low level burglars that go around checking houses during the day will move on rather than deal w/a  dog. those guys are just looking for targets of opportunity and wont deal w/ any hassles.

the biggest drawback to a dog is it costs a heck of a lot more to maintain. in terms of money and time. my glock needs cleaning after use and thats it!

259 "That said, if the government does attempt that drastic an overreach, the most likely response is a military coup...We like to sweep it under the rug and forget about it, but there have been several times in our history when we've been on the brink of a military coup--to popular support." Posted by: Luke at January 06, 2013 02:30 PM (nqFDk) Disagree. Waiting for the Man On The White Horse to come along and save the Republic is not suitable for the preservation/re-institution of a constitutionally-based representative democracy. A General in charge, a new Caesar? Why trade one tyranny for another? George Washington was the Great Exception, a historical anomaly: the popular military leader who voluntarily gave up power. We won't see his like again. In a purely hypothetical resistance model, I would advocate a small, self-contained, cell-based structure, a variant of the leaderless resistance paradigm: each cell doing its own thing while sharing common cause and loosely cooperating and coordinating with hundreds of other (equally anonymous) cells. No centralized command structure. As Musashi wrote, "What is big is easy to perceive. What is small is difficult to perceive." Thus, be small.

260 We should do safes next week, there's a lot to learn. Also hiding, storage alternatives. . The sad part is that safes can't be cheap because abrasion and impact resistant materials are expensive. . Cabinets and safes are different things. I have not seen a safe less than $750. Residential Security Cabinets are much easier to get into. . The $500 Costco models are cabinets, not safes.

261 I shoot IDPA with a number of cops from my small western OK city (~11K), all are combat vetrans from Gulf Wars I or II.  We have discussed the possibility of gun confiscation and to a man they tell me that they would actively resist any such order.  I believe them.

My former carry gun was a KelTec PF9, not one but two.  One gun for carry after a 500 round break in, the other one to shoot the crap out of for practice, over 3,500 rounds, still reliable and reasonably accurate. 

New carry gun is Sig 938.  A bit too spendy to buy two guns, but it is accurate and very concealable.  Not the biggest fan of 9mm but with Gold Dots or Golden Sabers I feel adequately armed.

262 I wouldn't be a bit surprised ito find out Holder is keeping a permanent record of NICS checks over the last 4 years in complete violation of the law.  Now that information isn't going to identify specific models of firearms, just that a check was needed for a purchase or transfer.  In order to obtain specific models, Holder would have to force FFL to transmit copies of their 4473's to the ATF which would be illegal under 18 USC SEC. 926.  The question is:  Would FFL holders violate the law in order to comply with a blatantly illegal demand from Obama's ATF?

263 Troyriser, I think (hope) that the goal of a modern coup would be to restore Constitutional governance, not to replace it. Like Honduras. I think the goal of some in this admin is to replace it - at some point it's hard to say which side is engaging in a coup and which is resisting.

264 I carry two guns - a Glock 19 in a IWB holster or a Smith 638 in a clipdraw. Generally, I carry the Smith because it conceals so beautifully and just disappears. I would prefer to always carry the Glock but the Smith usually wins. I carry a speedloader in my left side front pocket. I understand that a revolver is not ideal, but the most important part of carrying a gun is actually carrying it and I can always carry the Smith.

265 re dogs. I know mine would slow a burglar only by the face licking and tripping. But based on the switch from super friendly to "I kill you" when he thought a dog was attacking me or our other dog any would be attackers should beware. I should still get in gear to have Colt or Smith and Wesson for backup though.

266 Oh great a thread about ME. Like the Scrotus POTUS EVERYTHING is all about ME!

267 The question is: Would FFL holders violate the law in order to comply with a blatantly illegal demand from Obama's ATF? Posted by: Sarah at January 06, 2013 03:39 PM (LTrJX) Saw what you did there. In fairness to gun dealers caught up in that Fast and Furious mess, they did act in good faith, believing that allowing blatant straw purchases would allow the feds to track the weapons and uncover drug cartel arms distribution pipelines. How were reputable gun dealers to know the federal government was running a convoluted anti-gun scam on them (and us), and not the drug cartels? They mistakenly thought the federal government was out to catch the bad guys. They didn't know they were the bad guys.

268 @258 Just for the record, I was not claiming that we'd be rescued by such a coup.  "Martial Law" is not a phrase that make me feel all warm and fuzzy.  An incompetent tyranny being replaced by a competent tyranny isn't necessarily a change for the better. 
That the people who initiated the situation wouldn't benefit is awfully cold comfort.

But it looks like a majority of our countrymen are now inclined towards wearing chains.  Most of history is marked by despotism of one variety or another.
Sadly, it looks like we're going to revert to mean.
I don't think it's going to be immediate though.  I don't think this has much chance of passing, and I think everyone still has too much to lose.  When government can't meet its monthly obligations without massive amounts of inflation, *then* things are going to get ugly.  It's getting uncomfortably close, but it's not here quite yet.

As to the database of firearm sales, it almost certainly already exists.  It's against the law for it to have been compiled and the information saved, but it almost certainly exists. 
I had a friend who was questioned about some crimes that utilized a fairly uncommon firearm, because he owned one.  He'd purchased it while living in a different state, some 2,000 miles away, and several years before.  The feds had no problem at all finding the people living in the area who had purchased one through a FFL. 

269

No one needs a gun.  NO ONE.

 

Hell I've killed more people with my car then any of you will with your evil guns.

270 My brother has an Winchester that looks exactly like the bottom one. He is in a wheelchair and tends to drop forward with a regular rifle, but the Winch is shorter and lighter so he can blast away at seals that try to steal salmon off his line. Talk about being mean to the disabled...

271 Thinking hard about getting a TCP and an ankle holster. Usually have a Taurus 85 in a pocket holster but when I'm sitting down it is fiendishly hard to get at.

272

Springfield XD9 4" barrel works as a carry gun with IWB holster.  Taurus 24/7 Compact 9mm conceals really well and carries comfortably with a CrossBreed Super Tuck holster.  The most comfortable holster I have.

I often carry a Taurus 85 in a Galco Summer Comfort IWB holster.

I just picked up a Ruger LCP and it carries well in a pocket holster.

When the situation is suitable, a 1911 on a belt, or one of my XD Tactical pistols in 45 or 9mm carry on a belt slide holster well.  Best for jacket or winter coat weather, or hiking.

I've stuck with mostly 9mm and .45, but do have the .38 revolver and .380 pistol.  I shoot an XD45 Tactical in USPSA Limited competition.

273

Based on the results the woman defending her kids found, DO NOT let anyone tell you how many rounds you should have in your gun, or what caliber it should be.  That is YOUR CHOICE.  We are citizens, not subjects. Carry as many rounds in your gun and on your person as you can comfortably handle based on your own experience and analysis of your situation.

274 From what I have read here and elsewhere it seems the Glock/Springfield/Kimber/SigSauer.45acp is going to be the winner. Maybe a 9mm for the wife. I still have a little money in the bank and before it all turns to dust I 'm going to get a couple of handguns. I saw our US Marshall at the bar last Friday and he glowed about the .45. Too much fun , he said, to not have one. He also said the ammo cost is negligble if it ever comes to pass that you really want to fire the weapon. It's always good to drink with the US Marshall.

275 159 She needs to lose those giant fucking hoops in her ears.

Think of them as the little bell on the handlebar  *ring* *ring*

276

Obama claims he wants to "have a national conversation on guns." Seems like the perfect time to force this marxist douchebag to stop hiding behind executive privilege and finally answer questions about "Fast & Furious."

I'm not in the mood for sanctimonious lectures from the corrupt Communist moron who's been arming Mexico's most murderous drug cartels. Let's make the conversation painful for Wise King Barky.

After all, over 300 people are dead because of Obama's treachery. That's almost twelve times more than the victims of Sandy Hook. Why shouldn't this piece of shit have to answer for it? Why does Obama get a pass for getting 300+ Mexicans murdered?

You know Wise King Barky's little petition thing on the White House web site? Let's start a petition demanding that Barky and Holder stop hiding behind executive privilege and answer the fucking questions.

277 I own a .380 Browning. You break into my home, you leave in a body bag.

278 "Load on Sunday and shoot all week" was actually said about the Henry rifle, from which the Winchester was developed.

279 Furry friend is key. If Mr. BG is dumb or hopped up enough to persist past the bark he will assuredly get a good munching from my Border-Bernese (good boy!) Will also get me up and (at least) slow down Mr BG sufficiently for me to unlock-and-load, as is required in this unfortunate State. Very bad day for Mr. BG.

280 137 Posted by: dscott at January 06, 2013 10:41 AM (EYzt So, you like the version where the bad guy moves along until he finds some house undefended and then proceeds to rob, rape or murder as he sees fit. I prefer what actually happened: bad guy with five bullet holes. A disingenuous strawman argument, I don't want a bad guy to do anything bad, however reality is a bad guy is going to do what a bad guy does if not deterred in some fashion. It's upon each property owner/individual to prepare their defense, and choosing not to prepare in some manner is their own fault. Nor can we all be the ones putting 5 bullets in him since not every person is able to psychologically do that kind of defense. This is why alternatives are considered for the unique circumstances of each person's situation. And again, nothing is mutually exclusive in considering layers of defense from fences, thorn bushes, video cameras, noisy alarms, to dogs to firearms. It all depends on your circumstance, there is no cookie cutter one size fits all approach.

281 Not sure if dscott is responding to me. We're having a violent agreement. Not advocating one size fits all. Am a huge supporter of the right (nay the moral obligation) to blow away BGs. Was only pointing out, in my case, in areas where you can't legally store loaded weapons, the tactical utility of a barky friend to alert you and buy you more time to arm yourself before BG is upon you. Peace out bro.