September 17, 2013

Constitution Day?
— Ace

I didn't know this was a day, actually.

But now that I've heard "Constitution Day" I'm wondering why we don't make it an official holiday. Give the federal bureaucracy an extra day off (and maybe don't give them as big of raise in recognition for that).

And then citizens can privately lobby their employers to elevate Constitution Day to a "real holiday" and give them the day off.

Put it in August, a month with no holidays.

I know this is Symbolic but symbolic is not synonymous with "without effect." There is something to be said for elevating the Constitution higher in what might be termed the American Secular Pantheon. We essentially get days off to recognize the contributions of our Secular Saints (Washington, Lincoln, MLK, Jr., the signatories of the Declaration of Independence). And if we're recognizing the Saints of American Republican Democracy, we should also formally recognize their creed.

Our creed.

Plus, frankly, the liberals will hate it, and that's a useful lesson to them, because liberals have to start asking themselves, one of these days, when they went from celebrating the Constitution to despising it, and why they did so, and what that makes them now.

If we can't stick in another paid federal holiday -- Cannibalize Labor Day. Oh man would that set off a firestorm of dishonest argumentation. On one hand the Smart Set Liberals would attempt to denigrate the push for a Constitution Day by saying "this is all silly partisan symbolism aimed at validating a particular worldview" and in their next breath they'd scream about how we're destroying the Symbolism of Labor Day.

I always hate-laugh at that argument. With one fist they club you with the demeaning attack that you're basically mischievous and ill-mannered children too smitten with symbolic gestures. But with the fist they cling desperately to their own symbolic validations.

But, as Michael Barone recently wrote (I think quoting someone else), "All proceduralist arguments are fundamentally dishonest, including this one."

This is kind of a silly idea but why not? Let's take the Constitution seriously.

Today is Constitution Day Because They Signed It Today: Okay, fine, I don't think that really matters, but in that case move Labor day to the middle of August, and make the Monday after the second Tuesday in September Constitution Day. That'll get you close to the 17th.


Posted by: Ace at 11:07 AM | Comments (293)
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1 Arbor Day...F**K Arbor Day.

Posted by: dananjcon at September 17, 2013 11:10 AM (wmU4G)

2 I remember back in the '80s when the left was selling itself as the protector of the Constitution, or at least the parts they liked. All gone now; it must be scrapped and replaced, as far as they're concerned.

Posted by: joncelli at September 17, 2013 11:10 AM (RD7QR)

3 Will there be a maypole?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 17, 2013 11:10 AM (8ZskC)

4 Every day is Constitutional Day for Bob Dole.

Posted by: Bob Dole at September 17, 2013 11:10 AM (FcR7P)

5 I see this as never happening, unless the American people demand it.

Posted by: The Mentalist at September 17, 2013 11:11 AM (9jLim)

6 I didn't know this was a day, actually.

But now that I've heard "Constitution Day" I'm wondering why we don't make it an official holiday. Give the federal bureaucracy an extra day off (and maybe don't give them as big of raise in recognition for that).



LOL, Ace you have missed my opening post on today's date for the last two years.



Good Morning Morons.  Today is Tuesday, September 17, 2013.  Today is Constitution Day. On this day in 1787 the Constitution was completed and signed by the majority of the delegates to the convention in Philadelphia. This holiday has been around unofficially for a long time but was not made an official federal holiday until 2004 when it was inserted into a budget bill by Senate Robert Byrd. It is important that we recognize this day because the forces of big government began undermining the Constitution almost from the onset.  It is all but gone now.  Despite the fact that federal law now requires congress to cite its Constitutional authority for each new law passed it is totally ignored.  And Obama not only ignores it, he has openly disdained it in public comment.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:11 AM (zZbNF)

7 Anything to get the populace to read the thing, I'm for.

Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 11:11 AM (YAGV/)

8 Oh, and a new federal holiday works for me. The less time they have to bureaucratize, the better.

Posted by: joncelli at September 17, 2013 11:11 AM (RD7QR)

9 When I lived in Canada, I never knew when I was going to get the mail. It seemed like every day was some sort of holiday. If it wasn't a holiday, the mailman was slow because he had to catch up from the last holiday or two. I'm all for recognizing and embracing the Constitution Day, but I hope we don't end up like *Canada*.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 11:11 AM (yETln)

10 We might as well have an Epic of Gilgamesh Day, because, old.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at September 17, 2013 11:11 AM (8ZskC)

11 Constitution Day is celebrated at our local (state) university. Utah, baby!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 17, 2013 11:12 AM (5H6zj)

12 Not only is it Constitution Day, it's the anniversary of the single bloodiest day in American history: Antietam.

It's also, perhaps not coincidentally, my birthday.  Happy birthday to me!

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 11:12 AM (n/+FT)

13 On this, Constitution day, we give thanks for the Emanations and Penumbras.

Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2013 11:12 AM (ipv1m)

14 Oh, and a new federal holiday works for me. The less time they have to bureaucratize, the better. Until you need a building permit. Then it'll suck.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 11:12 AM (yETln)

15 @10 Gilgamesh was fake. Celebrate Carchemish!

Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (YAGV/)

16 This is just the kind of thing I'd expect those TeaPartyRepubliThugs!1!1 to try to do.  I blame BusHitlerCheneyburton

Posted by: typical lefty at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (eV1I0)

17 Will there be a maypole?>>

Where else would we hang the commies?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (wrS2o)

18 It's a little-known fact that the Constitution was originally written with little picture symbols called hieroglyphics, because, old.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (8ZskC)

19 We will see Barky's friggin' birthday as a national holiday before Constitution day.
Happy birthday, Jeff B.

Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (HfzFY)

20

If we can't stick in another paid federal holiday -- Cannibalize Labor Day. Oh man would that set off a firestorm of dishonest argumentation. On one hand the Smart Set Liberals would attempt to denigrate the push for a Constitution Day by saying "this is all silly partisan symbolism aimed at validating a particular worldview" and in their next breath they'd scream about how we're destroying the Symbolism of Labor Day.]

 

Jab a stick deliberately into the unions'   collective eye?    *fanning self*   Lawks!   I do believe I have the vapors!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (4df7R)

21 It's too white, patriarchal, and heteronormative. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: brak at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (iEoiA)

22 Constitution Day? More like Subjugate Women Day.

Posted by: NOW at September 17, 2013 11:14 AM (9jLim)

23 The gubmint would somehow turn it into Obama Day anyway.  He is the world's leading pundit on the Constitution after all, right? Don't get me started...

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 17, 2013 11:14 AM (71LDo)

24 OT: How many people have actually been killed in the Colorado floods? The # of "unaccountable" is still very high, but that could just be they haven't contacted authorities from wherever they fled to. Keep seeing stories of hundreds missing, but the official death toll only around 7 or 8. I assume if there were hundreds of dead bodies many more would have been found by now. But I could be wrong since I'm no expert in flood disasters.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 17, 2013 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

25 I'd say cannibalize MLK day. But a day off in August would be nice.

Posted by: Iblis at September 17, 2013 11:14 AM (9221z)

26 Where else would we hang the commies? Wrecker.

Posted by: Starbucks Barista at September 17, 2013 11:14 AM (yETln)

27 @22 Got you covered.

Posted by: Steak & A BJ Day at September 17, 2013 11:14 AM (YAGV/)

28 Put it in August, a month with no holidays.


As I said, it is today because that is the day they signed it.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:14 AM (zZbNF)

29 That cheerleader last night gave me an emanation right from my penumbra.

Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 11:15 AM (HfzFY)

30 Scientists debate whether the Constitution was carried out of Africa by ancient flying reptiles or primitive hominids, because, old.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at September 17, 2013 11:15 AM (8ZskC)

31 What difference at this point would it make....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 17, 2013 11:15 AM (GjPnA)

32 The Constitution was originally written in cursive.  That's retarded, sirs!

Posted by: Rachael Jeantel at September 17, 2013 11:15 AM (B/VB5)

33 Happy Birthday, JeffB.  It's my best friend's birthday, too.  I think all the best people are born in September and October.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 17, 2013 11:15 AM (6H6o8)

34 Celebrate a hundred year old document? Are you nuts?

Posted by: Ezra Klein at September 17, 2013 11:15 AM (eHIJJ)

35 Celebrate it on the last Friday in August.  It would be the final summer holiday, just BEFORE Labor Day, thereby making Labor Day a non-event. 


Posted by: Phinn at September 17, 2013 11:16 AM (oFH2D)

36 I'm fairly certain the leftwing     whackjobs would turn Constitution Day into the new Columbus Day:   universally derided as a tribute   to   dead white men who subjugated  women and people of color.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:16 AM (4df7R)

37 I love this idea. Put it up on that gov thing for all to vote on. Make TFG think about it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 17, 2013 11:16 AM (IXrOn)

38 7 Anything to get the populace to read the thing, I'm for. Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 03:11 PM (YAGV/) -------------------- Based on the textbook Maet posted on last night's ONT, it seems that the Left doesn't want us even to do that. They "translated" the Bill of Rights into "modern" language so that it reinforces leftist ideas and completely perverts the original. And this was an AP textbook, presumably for our best and brightest high-schoolers.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 11:16 AM (dfYL9)

39 Happy Birthday, JeffB. It's my best friend's birthday, too. I think all the best people are born in September and October.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 17, 2013 03:15 PM (6H6o

 

*buffing October birthday badge*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (4df7R)

40 If the Republicans were to push this, the Dems would call a return to Jim Crow or something.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (9jLim)

41 22 Constitution Day? More like Subjugate Women Day.

Posted by: NOW at September 17, 2013 03:14 PM (9jLim)


We already have Super Bowl Sunday. Now make me a sammich before you mow the lawn.

Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (HfzFY)

42 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (/PCJa)

43 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (/PCJa)

44 *buffing October birthday badge*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 03:17 PM (4df7R)


I have one of those, too!

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (6H6o8)

45 Obama wipes his ass with the Constitution every day.

Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (9XBK2)

46 Make TFG think about it. You can drag a choomer to a library, but you can't make him think.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (yETln)

47 A day or two of hard core hard boozin and hobo huntin is always a good thing.


Posted by: dananjcon at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (wmU4G)

48 There are eleven other lame months for losers to be born in, and then there's September.  Best month for birthdays: PROVEN FACT.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 11:17 AM (n/+FT)

49
On this, Constitutionday, we give thanks for the Emanations and Penumbras.

Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2013 03:12 PM (ipv1m)








I only get emanations and penumbras when I eat cabbage.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2013 11:18 AM (TIIx5)

50 @ 38 Margarita Yeah. Heaven forbid we turn to the actual text.

Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 11:18 AM (YAGV/)

51 Cesar Chavez day will be your next federal holiday, if anything. And then Obama Day, probably.

Posted by: brak at September 17, 2013 11:18 AM (iEoiA)

52 36 I'm fairly certain the leftwing whackjobs would turn Constitution Day into the new Columbus Day: universally derided as a tribute to dead white men who subjugated women and people of color.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 03:16 PM (4df7R)


That's why I make a point of celebrating it, because I'm an Evil Male Pale Penis Person. (BWahahahaha!)

Posted by: joncelli at September 17, 2013 11:18 AM (RD7QR)

53 More like "Genocidal Privileged White Racist Slave Owner Day".  Racist.

/college professors everywhere

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 11:18 AM (SY2Kh)

54 Constitution day? Why not name it OLD, WHITE AND IRRELEVANT DAY!!

Posted by: 13times at September 17, 2013 11:18 AM (fGPLK)

55 In the 16th century the slave trade began when the Constitution began rounding up black slaves in Africa and shipping them off to Atlanta.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at September 17, 2013 11:19 AM (8ZskC)

56 As in "daily constitution"?  I'm in.

Posted by: Jamie Lee Curtis - on the shitter, right now! at September 17, 2013 11:19 AM (Hx2XA)

57 Celebrating Constitution Day should be Unconstitutional.

Posted by: Pierced Organ at September 17, 2013 11:19 AM (eHIJJ)

58 Cesar Chavez day will be your next federal holiday, if anything. And then Obama Day, probably.


Si se puede!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 17, 2013 11:19 AM (8ZskC)

59 This holiday has been around unofficially for a long time but was not made an official federal holiday until 2004 when it was inserted into a budget bill by Senate Robert Byrd That's AWESOME. We could also sell it as a way to "honor the legacy of Senator Robert Byrd." I can smell the schadenfreude now.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 11:19 AM (/PCJa)

60 Happy Buirthday Jeff B.Ed Driscoll posted almost your entire comment in addition to linking ace's post from yesterday.Also linked a comment by Baldilocks.

Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 11:20 AM (9XBK2)

61 Splendid!  Now Joko and Hulian will bathe and perform their new composition, "The State Militia in Two Movements".

Posted by: Peerz Moorgoon at September 17, 2013 11:20 AM (6xhLc)

62
I think all the best people are born in September and October.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 17, 2013 03:15 PM (6H6o










Half right. October FTW.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2013 11:20 AM (TIIx5)

63 I like the idea of a Constitution Day.  If I can add a thought...

Back in the beforetimes, when I worked for the California civil service system (back before all the conservatives got chased out of government employment, but that's another story...), the California State Employees Association (now a proud cog in the SEIU machine, Unit #1000!) successfully lobbied for a new holiday, in January.  They had to sacrifice an existing holiday to get it, and they sacrificed Columbus Day (because the European adventurist empire-builder... oh, you know how this goes, right?).

I want a Constitution Day, and I want to sacrifice Labor Day to get it.  On account of I don't think Organized Labor has been all that much of a boon for Western Civilization.

This is just my opinion, and Ace letting me say this on his blog is not an endorsement of this opinion by management.  We now continue with our regular programming.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 17, 2013 11:20 AM (/vuFe)

64 If the Republicans were to push this, the Dems would call a return to Jim Crow or something.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 17, 2013 03:17 PM (9jLim)

 

Everything's a return to Jim Crow for teh fucks on the left.       You could    request a    Butterfly Celebration Day and Al fuckwad Sharpton would be calling it a return to Jim Crow. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:20 AM (4df7R)

65 33 Happy Birthday, JeffB. It's my best friend's birthday, too. I think all the best people are born in September and October.

Mid-September to early October happens to be the time of year with the largest number of birthdays in the USA. 

I think it's mainly because it falls a little over 9 months after the Christmas-to-New Year's Day holidays. 

True story.

Posted by: Phinn at September 17, 2013 11:20 AM (oFH2D)

66 As I said, it is today because that is the day they signed it.

D'oh...

I guess that kinda makes sense then.

Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2013 11:21 AM (KXm42)

67 Name it: Be Happy You Don't Live in a Third-World Shithole Like Your Ancestors Did Day.  That works for everyone except the denizens of Detroit.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 17, 2013 11:21 AM (6H6o8)

68

I have one of those, too!


 

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 17, 2013 03:17 PM (6H6o

 

*high five!*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:21 AM (4df7R)

69 I always viewed September as a "punishment month" because when I was growing up we always had to go back to school the first week in September and Summer freedom was over. 


And even after I got older it meant that instead of working a full day, I was back to after school and Saturday and short wages. 

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:22 AM (zZbNF)

70 EVERY day should be Constitution Day. By limiting it to one day of the year, it's almost like giving everyone a free pass to flaunt the Constitution the other 364.

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 11:23 AM (+cx5n)

71 flaunt, flout, whatever.

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 11:23 AM (+cx5n)

72 October Schmoctober.

Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2013 11:23 AM (KXm42)

73 Not only is it Constitution Day, it's the anniversary of the single bloodiest day in American history: Antietam.

It's also, perhaps not coincidentally, my birthday. Happy birthday to me!

In this thread, Jeff B favorably compares his existence with that of the US Constitution and the Union victory at the Battle of Antietam.

Just kidding.  Happy birthday.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 11:23 AM (SY2Kh)

74

I want a Constitution Day, and I want to sacrifice Labor Day to get it. On account of I don't think Organized Labor has been all that much of a boon for Western Civilization.

 

 

I SECOND THIS EMOTION WITH EXTREME ENTHUSIASM!

 

*scurries across town to    local    SEIU HQ and kicks nearest union thug in the teeth!*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:23 AM (4df7R)

75 They'll say the Tea Party is behind it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 17, 2013 11:24 AM (IXrOn)

76 I'd rather make Talk Like A Pirate Day  a national holiday.  Two days away!!!     ARRRRRR!!!!

Posted by: Big Swingin Johnson at September 17, 2013 11:25 AM (iWo0u)

77 Ummmmmmm, what is this Constitution, that, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you all are referring to?

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at September 17, 2013 11:25 AM (32Ze2)

78 because liberals have to start asking themselves, one of these days, when they went from celebrating the Constitution to despising it, and why they did so, and what that makes them now.

Bullshit.  Liberals never have to question their own actions or beliefs.  See the supposed anti-war people's response to Obama's "Bomb Syria" mantra. 

Posted by: Mr. Mean at September 17, 2013 11:25 AM (Tlix5)

79 Name it: Be Happy You Don't Live in a Third-World Shithole Like Your Ancestors Did Day. That works for everyone except the denizens of Detroit. How'd you know I lived in the Philippines? Oh, you said Ancestors. Upon returning from a fight in Zaire, a reporter asked Muhammad Ali what he thought of Africa. Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat."

Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 11:25 AM (yETln)

80 51 Cesar Chavez day will be your next federal holiday, if anything. And then Obama Day, probably. Posted by: brak at September 17, 2013 03:18 PM (iEoiA) ---------------------- Chavez is bit problematical. He was vehemently, loudly opposed to illegal immigration and really not fond of ANY immigration, particularly of the unskilled. He was an advocate of chicano agrarian rights but had no use for the old Spanish population of the SW. He disliked Cubans and couldn't have cared less about P Ricans. This is why they have not been able to elevate him as the patron saint of "Hispanics."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 11:25 AM (dfYL9)

81 I was 14, almost fifteen when I got my first 40 hour paycheck from my dish washing job. 285 bucks, I was king of the world.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 11:26 AM (ZshNr)

82 happy birthday jeff b. hope it's a good one and with this year you become more conservative in your views.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at September 17, 2013 11:26 AM (8InM1)

83 De-lurking for a sec. I homeschool my oldest. We did K last year and first grade is this year. I began our school year both last year and this one on Labor Day. The wailing I heard from friends and relatives was ridiculous. "Oh nooooooooeeeesssss!!! You can't start on Laaaaaabor Daaaayy! It's a holidaaaaaay! That's so cruuuuuueeeel!" Guess, what? I don't give a shit. I ignored it completely. It's a bullshit commie holiday anyway and I don't care to promote that nonsense in my classroom/home. Holidays are supposed to be holy days and even in our secular pantheon I do not consider the labor unions, whose lobbying we have to thank for stupid Labor Day, to be holy or sainted or even particularly special (outside of their special vampiric ability to completely bankrupt and fuck over productive industries). Fuck them. We did celebrate Constitution Day today by watching a video, discussing the document and a very age appropriate primer for the Revolution, and we are having cake. I am very favorable to making it a bigger deal.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 17, 2013 11:26 AM (qFpRI)

84 *Takes a look at the yardarm, concludes that toast to HP's birthday must be delayed for another hour and a half.*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 17, 2013 11:26 AM (aDwsi)

85 Keep bringing it. Let's fight dirty with a big ol' smile on our face. If the left hates it, I don't need to hear anything more. More symbolic gestures, please.

Posted by: Furious George at September 17, 2013 11:27 AM (yFb77)

86 On Constitution Day, we should put hungry ferrets in the trousers of all politicians, symbolic of Magna Carta, the feudal barons, and King John.

Posted by: Fritz at September 17, 2013 11:27 AM (UzPAd)

87 It's constipation day for the libs/progs.  Ask them how they are going to celebrate the constitution today, and they'll look at you like they are all stopped up.

Posted by: flounder at September 17, 2013 11:27 AM (Kkt/i)

88 @86 Mandy Good for you on the instruction. And the cake is a nice touch.

Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 11:28 AM (YAGV/)

89

To be followed by days for Strength, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, and Dexterity, starting on the 18th of a random month each year, decided by a d12.

 

Seriously, would trade away Labor Day for Constitution Day in a heartbbeat .

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at September 17, 2013 11:28 AM (Hj9yW)

90 77

They'll say the Tea Party is behind it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 17, 2013 03:24 PM (IXrOn)


They think the Tea Party is behind spoiled tofu and the 2000 election. Screw 'em.

Posted by: joncelli at September 17, 2013 11:28 AM (RD7QR)

91 @ MWR

 "... kicks nearest union thug in the teeth!"  You misspelled 'nads.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 17, 2013 11:28 AM (/vuFe)

92 >>>In this thread, Jeff B favorably compares his existence with that of the US Constitution and the Union victory at the Battle of Antietam.

Heh, I was actually trying to compare my birthday with the tragic anniversary of the single bloodiest day in American history.  Which was worse?  Really, now?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 11:29 AM (n/+FT)

93 You can thank the Haymarket Square riots by the Communists and Grover Cleveland, a Democrat, for Labor Day.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:29 AM (zZbNF)

94 86 Posted by: Mandy P. Standing ovation.

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 11:30 AM (+cx5n)

95 All this Constitution talk is simply agitating fodder to split the honorable GOP from radicals and hobbits.

Posted by: David Brooks' Creased Pants at September 17, 2013 11:30 AM (eHIJJ)

96 Mandy - Have you obtained a copy of 'Johnny Tremain' yet, for the youngster's reading? Here's a copy for $5 including shipping, Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/nf6cywv

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 17, 2013 11:31 AM (aDwsi)

97 86 ---Mandy --- Fantastic! I used to tell the kids that Labor Day was in honor of women giving birth. Yeah, I lied.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 11:32 AM (dfYL9)

98 short bleg.  This is the last day to comment:    Please go to www.regulations.gov/# and comment on the "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing" proposal.  aei-ideas.org had a post about it on Sept 11.   Its basically a play to let HUD over-rule local zoning regulations on building heights, housing density etc so they can plop their low-rent housing projects wherever they want and destroy suburbs, cities, or even neighborhoods they don't like.  

Posted by: palerider at September 17, 2013 11:32 AM (dkExz)

99

The left and lawyers have ruined the Constitution as they have ruined every piece of law or statute ever written.

 

That there is still a need to  have the intent of the Constitution interpreted after 225 years should tell you that lawyers suck.   Can I have an amen Amishdude! 

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 11:33 AM (m2CN7)

100 When my brilliant daughter graduated college she got a great job at the labor relations dept of a semi-public institution, a major library. After a couple of months she was complaining about unions. She said these people don't need a union, they aren't coal miners, they are librarians.

Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 11:33 AM (HfzFY)

101 98: Haymarket Riots were the origin of (Communist Holiday) May Day

Posted by: BSR at September 17, 2013 11:33 AM (S+72a)

102 >>>You can thank the Haymarket Square riots by the Communists and Grover Cleveland, a Democrat, for Labor Day.

Grover Cleveland was the sort of Democrat that every single person posting here would happily vote for and the GOP/conservative movement would be lucky as shit to have right now.  Most underrated President in history, and if you looked at his track record with no knowledge of his party affiliation, you'd swear he was one of us.  Don't blame ol' Grover for Labor Day...it was a peacemaking measure from an era where mass-casualty labor violence wasn't a figment of a fevered imagination but a real ongoing threat.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 11:33 AM (n/+FT)

103 I'm gonna take my approach shot to the fourth green mucho serioso. Oh, and screw the Republicans. And, if Constitution Day can be made flexible in definition, so as to keep up with contemporary views, then I'm all for it.

Posted by: Prime Minister of Sweden Barack Obama at September 17, 2013 11:34 AM (cCrvC)

104 *Takes a look at the yardarm, concludes that toast to HP's Jeff B's birthday must be delayed for another hour and a half.* Posted by: Mike Hammer

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 17, 2013 11:34 AM (aDwsi)

105 We did celebrate Constitution Day today by watching a video, discussing the document and a very age appropriate primer for the Revolution, and we are having cake. I am very favorable to making it a bigger deal.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 17, 2013 03:26 PM (qFpRI)


**


Very cool! Cake is a BFD in my house too!



Posted by: dananjcon at September 17, 2013 11:34 AM (wmU4G)

106 Damn..., I have a 4:00 meeting, and all I want to do is take a nap.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 17, 2013 11:34 AM (aDwsi)

107 91 @86 Mandy Good for you on the instruction. And the cake is a nice touch. Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 03:28 PM (YAGV/) Hey, it's not a proper celebration unless there's cake.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 17, 2013 11:35 AM (qFpRI)

108 Damn..., I have a 4:00 meeting, and all I want to do is take a nap. So take a nap. My clock says you've got more than an hour.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 11:35 AM (/PCJa)

109 There will be an Obama Day eventually. He's special and historic, dontchs know?

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 11:36 AM (ZshNr)

110

Best way to track a Weasel is to find its emanations and then, locate and follow its tracks. 

You can identify the Weasel tracks by the drag marks left by their penumbras.

Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2013 11:36 AM (+8+L5)

111 And Steve Van Buren, the old running back for the Eagles.

Posted by: Furious George at September 17, 2013 11:37 AM (yFb77)

112 and Happy Birthday you squishy, Rino bastid!

Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2013 11:37 AM (+8+L5)

113 All this for a founding document?

Posted by: Mooch at September 17, 2013 11:37 AM (BAS5M)

114

Gotta give  credit  to Tom Hanks for doing 'rah rah , America is exceptional' movies.    Looking forward to  Captain Phillips.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 11:38 AM (m2CN7)

115 Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 17, 2013 03:31 PM (aDwsi) I have Johnny Tremain on ye olde Kindle. The boy loved it.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 17, 2013 11:38 AM (qFpRI)

116 As long as it is not that crime against humanity Key Lime Pie. Pie != cake. Which reminds me... I have gingerbread cheesecake at home.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 11:38 AM (/PCJa)

117 Move Labor Day to Saturday or Sunday. Because unions invented the weekend. Or something.

Posted by: Libtardo at September 17, 2013 11:38 AM (r4/6a)

118

22 Now: "Constitution Day? More like Subjugate Women Day."

Maybe this reveals my essential patriarchicality and heteronormativity (not to mention the related intersectionalities), but in my experience women like to be subjugated.  And they get stroppy if you don't subjugate them regularly and strenuously.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at September 17, 2013 11:39 AM (sugnf)

119 An even better idea: January is First Amendment Month. February is Second Amendment Month. March is Fourth Amendment Month. April is Fifth Amendment Month. May is Sixth Amendment Month. June is Ninth Amendment Month. July is Tenth Amendment Month. August is Third, Seventh and Eight Amendments Month. September through December are the Later Amendments Months, in bunches.

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 11:39 AM (+cx5n)

120 107 98: Haymarket Riots were the origin of (Communist Holiday) May Day

Posted by: BSR at September 17, 2013 03:33 PM (S+72a)


Also our labor day, however Cleveland would not make it May 1 just so it would not be on the same day as the commie day, even though the entire holiday for both days was to assuage the commies.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:40 AM (zZbNF)

121 The 11th was Patriot Day. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 11:40 AM (m2CN7)

122

Van Buren?

 

That whoreson!

Posted by: Zombie Hamilton at September 17, 2013 11:40 AM (+8+L5)

123 Well, this explains why Rep. Issa's tweeting the Constitution...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 17, 2013 11:40 AM (naUcP)

124 Don't forget me!

Posted by: Millard Fillmore at September 17, 2013 11:40 AM (r4/6a)

125 Actually, haven't we combined Washington and Lincoln's Birthday into one big generic "Presidents Days" where along with celebrating the vision of Washington and Lincoln, we can also toast the epic Presidency of William Henry Harrison and James Van Buren? Posted by: Mallamutt, -------------------- No. Washington's Birthday is now celebrated on the first Monday prior to Washington's birthday. The holiday is still GW's. Anyone who refers to 'President's Day' is a bullshitter. Make a point of calling their attention to the fact. From OPM.gov "This holiday is designated as "WashingtonÂ’s Birthday" in section 6103(a) of title 5 of the United States Code, which is the law that specifies holidays for Federal employees. Though other institutions such as state and local governments and private businesses may use other names, it is our policy to always refer to holidays by the names designated in the law."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 17, 2013 11:40 AM (aDwsi)

126 >>>That there is still a need to have the intent of the Constitution interpreted after 225 years should tell you that lawyers suck.

Look, you'll get no argument from me about the idiocy of huge chunks of current constitutional doctrine, but this is more than a bit glib.  Take a look at the 4th Amendment (i.e. protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures).  Now tell me how you're supposed to interpret something as vague and general as that without Court precedent.  What constitutes a "search?" What constitutes a "seizure?"  How does one define "unreasonable?" 

I'm not saying a lot of what currently flies isn't bullshit, I'm just saying that the document doesn't interpret itself: it speaks in generalities, and you need to do a lot of work to get it applicable on a case-by-case basis.  Hell, the Constitution didn't even APPLY to 99% of your encounters with the state back when it was written.  For the first 150 years or so the Bill Of Rights had no legal bearing upon the actions of the states (which could take your guns, or suppress your right to free speech, or toss you in jail without habeas corpus, etc. to their heart's content provided that was allowed by state constitutions or tacitly permitted by state judges).  It was only in the mid-20th century that the Constitution we all treasure so much was interpreted to actually apply to the states as well as the federal government. 

Would you like to go back to the way it was before?  Well then get ready to turn in all your guns immediately should you be unfortunate enough to live in a blue state, because the 2nd Amendment RTKBA wouldn't apply to you in a world without incorporation.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 11:40 AM (n/+FT)

127 What's so special about the constitution?

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 17, 2013 11:41 AM (znT2j)

128 Constitution? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 17, 2013 11:41 AM (wR+pz)

129 Posted by: Millard Fillmore at September 17, 2013 03:40 PM (r4/6a) I prefer your descendent, Mallard.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 11:41 AM (/PCJa)

130 Luckily, US law says that our coins and bills cannot depict living people. Otherwise, we'd all be spending Obama Dollars* already. * Worth 35¢ each.

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 11:42 AM (+cx5n)

131 Don't forget Flag Day, June 14th. Why isn't that a Federal Holiday! Now that will really screw with them.

Posted by: John Smith at September 17, 2013 11:42 AM (wR+pz)

132 Will there be a maypole kegs and drunk chicks?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 17, 2013 03:10 PM (8ZskC)

Just a little tuneup.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 11:42 AM (gqgiP)

133 Based on the textbook Maet posted on last night's ONT, it seems that the Left doesn't want us even to do that. They "translated" the Bill of Rights into "modern" language so that it reinforces leftist ideas and completely perverts the original.   And this was an AP textbook, presumably for our best and brightest high-schoolers.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 03:16 PM (dfYL9)

 

In a tangentially related way, I mentioned this, oh, at least a year ago here at the HQ, and this AP textbook story has reminded me again.

 

The NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress), aka the "National Report Card," is a series of standardized tests delivered to students at different grade levels across    the country.     This is common knowledge.  

 

Anyway, if you go to the NAEP website you can actually   try your hand at some sample questions that NAEP has used on actual tests in the past (http://nationsreportcard.gov/testyourself.aspx).  One of the subjects covered is Civics.   You can test yourself on questions from either the 4th or 12th grade levels.   If you choose the 4th grade option, question 3   is as follows:

 

Refer to the paragraph below, which is a summary of the introduction to the Declaration of Independence.

 


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal; that they are given certain rights that cannot be taken away; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to protect these rights, governments are created that get their powers from the consent of the governed...."

 


Which of the following ideas is in the summary of the Declaration of Independence?

 

Now they loosened up the language there a bit to make it easier for someone of a fourth grade reading level, but for the most part that summation is correct.   But now look at the multiple choice answers students have to choose from:

 

"A.   People in the United States should have some control over the government.

B.   Kings can rule in the United States, as long as they are fair to people.

C.   The smartest people should control the government of the United States.

D.   Everyone in the United States should try to be elected to the government. "

 

In case you're wondering, the "correct" answer is  A.

 

That's right.  According to the NAEP,     people in the United States should only have SOME control over the government.   SOME control.   That whole "consent of the governed" thing?   Just static.   A technicality.

 

4th Graders.   Get 'em young!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:43 AM (4df7R)

134 126 Move Labor Day to Saturday or Sunday. Because unions invented the weekend. Or something.

Posted by: Libtardo at September 17, 2013 03:38 PM (r4/6a)


I know unions claim they invented the 40 hour week but in actuality it was the product of FDR and was intended to help unemployment in the depression. 



His fevered brain figured that if he cut the hours of everyone more workers would have to be hired.  The end result was like all his other ideas, not only did it not work but it made the situation worse.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:43 AM (zZbNF)

135 Would you like to go back to the way it was before? Well then get ready to turn in all your guns immediately should you be unfortunate enough to live in a blue state, because the 2nd Amendment RTKBA wouldn't apply to you in a world without incorporation.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 03:40 PM (n/+FT)

 

The second amendment is not incorporated.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 11:43 AM (m2CN7)

136 I'm all for recognizing and embracing the Constitution Day, but I hope we don't end up like *Canada*. Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 03:11 PM (yETln) Boxing Day is enough for you Frogs.

Posted by: John Smith at September 17, 2013 11:43 AM (wR+pz)

137 Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 03:40 PM (n/+FT)

If I buy you a step stool, will you climb down from your high horse?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 11:44 AM (gqgiP)

138 OT, @AllenG: 

Was amused by your exchange with DLamp this morning.  Ironic to see the agnostic playing up Christianity's contribution to civilization more than the Christian.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 11:44 AM (sGtp+)

139 Greta Van Buren is the worst!

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 11:45 AM (ZshNr)

140 IMO There should be a vaginal health awareness day.


Posted by: Pierced Organ at September 17, 2013 11:45 AM (wmU4G)

141 We already have Super Bowl Sunday. Now make me a sammich before you mow the lawn. Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 03:17 PM (HfzFY) You forgot. IRON MY SHIRT!

Posted by: John Smith at September 17, 2013 11:45 AM (wR+pz)

142 I am embarrassed to say I didn't know today was Constition day until I previewed the CNN student news broadcast my son will watch in social studies today. Score one for CNN because they had kids reciting the preamble and then did a whole segment on it for their student news.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at September 17, 2013 11:46 AM (ltNot)

143 The second amendment is not incorporated.

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 03:43 PM (m2CN7)


It is now since the second supreme court case on city gun laws.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:46 AM (zZbNF)

144 Constitution...Constitution...that vaguely rings a bell. JK. It's also the anniversary of the deadliest day in the War of Northern Aggression - Antietam.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 11:46 AM (7ObY1)

145 139 Luckily, US law says that our coins and bills cannot depict living people. Otherwise, we'd all be spending Obama Dollars* already.
 * Worth 35¢ each. 

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 03:42 PM (+cx5n)


And only useful as TP.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 11:46 AM (sGtp+)

146 Wait,  wait.   There's  cake? 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 17, 2013 11:47 AM (rXcBX)

147

@153

 

McDonald v. Chicago (2010)

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 17, 2013 11:47 AM (t06LC)

148 If Obama could waive the law on not allowing living persons on currency, you know he would. But that would take an over-reaching executive order. Oh wait...

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 11:48 AM (7ObY1)

149 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 03:44 PM (sGtp+)

It was more like the knowledgeable schooling the ignorant, but it was fun to read.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 11:48 AM (gqgiP)

150

[i139 Luckily, US law says that our coins and bills cannot depict living people. Otherwise, we'd all be spending Obama Dollars* already.
* Worth 35¢ each.

 

 



Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 03:42 PM (+cx5n)



And only useful as TP.

 


 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 03:46 PM (sGtp+) [/i]

 

 

You probably couldn't even burn them    to keep warm in winter.   They'd probably be made of some bullshit  "eco-friendly"   paper composite that burned as well as   wet  tissue and   gave off    poisonous fumes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:49 AM (4df7R)

151 Would Chief Justice Roberts uphold it?

Posted by: Big Ben at September 17, 2013 11:49 AM (I5Htn)

152 Elizabeth Warren will be on the nickel.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 11:49 AM (ZshNr)

153 DanInMN agrees with Bob Dole.  Having a "Constitution Day" is like having a "Free Speech Zone."  Free Speech Zone = Sea to Shining Sea.  Constitution Day = The entire calendar.

Posted by: DanInMN at September 17, 2013 11:49 AM (XqeyF)

154 161 Would Chief Justice Roberts uphold it? I'll call it a goddam tax, wingnut. Can I get back to my nap?

Posted by: John Iscariot Roberts at September 17, 2013 11:50 AM (7ObY1)

155 It's also the anniversary of the deadliest day in the War of Northern AggressionSouthern Rebellion - Antietam.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 03:46 PM (7ObY1)

I drove through that area last month. Beautiful countryside, but it must have been a bitch to march through.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 11:50 AM (gqgiP)

156 So, are Ace and LauraW going to naked mud wrestle over the love of Hugh Jackman? Didn't Laura have a real ladyboner over Jackman?

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 17, 2013 11:50 AM (T0Pku)

157 In case you're wondering, the "correct" answer is A.  That's right. According to the NAEP, people in the United States should only have SOME control over the government. SOME control. That whole "consent of the governed" thing? Just static. A technicality.  4th Graders. Get 'em young! 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 03:43 PM (4df7R)


I can sort of get why they phrased it that way.   Direct, complete control is democracy, and a mob can be just as tyrannical as a single man.   

The use of representatives and senators buffers gov't activity from immediate public opinion, so the people do not have complete control, and that is both intended by design, and better than the alternative.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 11:50 AM (oY6Yp)

158
Apparenty this is a state and local holiday back East on the Monday after Easter:

Dyngus Day - Traditionally, boys throw water over girls and spank them with pussy willow branches on Easter Monday, and girls do the same to boys on Easter Tuesday. This is accompanied by a number of other rituals, such as making verse declarations and holding door-to-door processions, in some regions involving boys dressed as bears.




Rye bread ergot is a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 17, 2013 11:50 AM (kdS6q)

159 7 Anything to get the populace to read the thing, I'm for. Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 03:11 PM (YAGV/) They'd read the AP version which says the first amendment has separation of church and state and the second amendment only applies to state militias.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 17, 2013 11:51 AM (RWUWp)

160 >>>The second amendment is not incorporated.

Sure is.  Heller was step one (making it an individual right, not militia -- but that was a case in DC and thus still federal) and finally McDonald v. Chicago was the last blow.

It was in fact because of McDonald v. Chicago that the Illinois legislature was FORCED to pass a right-to-carry law and Pat Quinn was FORCED to sign it.  Ain't life grand?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 11:51 AM (n/+FT)

161 It is now since the second supreme court case on city gun laws.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 03:46 PM (zZbNF)

 

correct.  Forgot about McDonald v Chicago.   Makes my point though that it took 223 years to figure out that the 2nd amendment applied to all citizens of the United States and could not be usurped by the States.   Brilliant. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 11:51 AM (m2CN7)

162 Constitution Day?
Bah, I say we make it another National Day of Service!! where everyone should go work in a soup kitchen, paint public schools, volunteer in some way to give back like me and Michelle.
Can't have too many of these, right? 

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at September 17, 2013 11:51 AM (U6BWX)

163

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 03:51 PM (n/+FT)

 

took you a while to google it huh? 

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 11:52 AM (m2CN7)

164 Just was over at Daily Kos. I feel dirty now.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 17, 2013 11:52 AM (jShXB)

165 Dyngus Day - Traditionally, boys throw water over girls and spank them with pussy willow branches on Easter Monday, and girls do the same to boys on Easter Tuesday. This is accompanied by a number of other rituals, such as making verse declarations and holding door-to-door processions, in some regions involving boys dressed as bears. You had me at "spank them with pussy".

Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 11:52 AM (yETln)

166 If I buy you a step stool, will you climb down from your high horse? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 03:44 PM (gqgiP) No one is getting the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness! *sets Ravage and Flying Manatee Brigade as guards*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 11:53 AM (VtjlW)

167   It was more like the knowledgeable schooling the ignorant, but it was fun to read. 

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 03:48 PM (gqgiP)


I don't find DL ignorant, and did not find the exchange to be "schooling".  

But yes, fun to read.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 11:53 AM (sGtp+)

168 Here's a thought. I came up with a compromise for the gun grabbers. Recognizing that both mass murder and single murder gun crimes are committed almost exclusively by registered Democrats and Obama supporters in general, if we were to ban these groups from gun ownership, gun crime incidences would drop to near zero.


Hell, if this law were in place a few years ago, St. Traytable might still be beating down creepy-ass crackers to this very day.

Posted by: mugiwara at September 17, 2013 11:53 AM (W7ffl)

169 Constitution Day. Hmmmm. Perhaps Michelle and I could use the amusement. We could choose one Tribute per District by lottery. Dress 'em up in little tri-cornered hats and breech trousers. Give 'em muskets and cannons and turn 'em loose. I like it.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at September 17, 2013 11:53 AM (7ObY1)

170

I didn't know today was Constitution day until Vic posted it. Then again I didn't know what today was either

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 17, 2013 11:53 AM (R8hU8)

171 ///Dyngus Day///

Heh.

Posted by: Turnip Defense League [/i] at September 17, 2013 11:53 AM (O7Q1u)

172 It's all fine and dandy to tell us it's Constitution Day, but how about telling that putz in the White House

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2013 11:54 AM (9Xc5j)

173 Yeah, sure.  The federal government would sooner make Mexican Independence Day a national holiday in the U.S. than Constitution Day.

Posted by: JR at September 17, 2013 11:54 AM (bKxJO)

174 Okay...but then what about days for Strength, Dexterity, Wisdom, Intelligence, and Charisma?

Posted by: Michael at September 17, 2013 11:54 AM (Y/HG5)

175 OT: Drudge Headline of the day. Pig drinks 18 beers, get's into fight with cow. I thought for sure it was a story about Chris Christie and Meham McCain getting into an argument.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 17, 2013 11:54 AM (sUMBr)

176 11 Constitution Day is celebrated at our local (state) university. Utah, baby! Just got back from 9 days in your beautiful state. Wish I could have stayed. And I say that not just because of the hot German tourist girls we nailed.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at September 17, 2013 11:55 AM (7ObY1)

177 POTUS sock off.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 11:55 AM (7ObY1)

178

Here is what we are up against, at least insofar as Hollywood is concerned.

 

Leanardo DiCaprio is proposing to make a hagiographic biopic of the life of Woodrow Wilson, the famous anti-semite and racist.  The very same man who while governor signed into New Jersey law a bill permitting forced sterilization of the "feeble-minded", as a means of improving the population.

 

Does this make DiCaprio an anti-semite, racist eugenicist?  Or just ignorant?  Meh, whatever.

 

http://bit.ly/1eXxx5q

 

Posted by: MTF at September 17, 2013 11:56 AM (B5y+v)

179 And I say that not just because of the hot German tourist girls we nailed.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at September 17, 2013 03:55 PM (7ObY1)


Wait, WHAT?!

Posted by: Reggie Love at September 17, 2013 11:56 AM (B/VB5)

180 156 Wait, wait. There's cake? Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 17, 2013 03:47 PM (rXcBX) There is in my house. Caramel apple cake with brown butter frosting, to be exact. My low-carb lifestyle is going down in flames. Just for today, though. My stomach will punish me for the rest of the week for this aberration. But the doing a proper celebration for our Constitution is worth a few days of tummy troubles, IMO.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 17, 2013 11:56 AM (qFpRI)

181 Let's not forget Sadie Hawkins Day on Nov 2 where the womenz can chase men.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 11:56 AM (zZbNF)

182 I can sort of get why they phrased it that way. Direct, complete control is democracy, and a mob can be just as tyrannical as a single man.

The use of representatives and senators buffers gov't activity from immediate public opinion, so the people do not have complete control, and that is both intended by design, and better than the alternative.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 03:50 PM (oY6Yp)

 

While I agree with you, ConservativeMonster, I still think their choice   of wording is badly chosen.   They're not asking students to make a distinction between    democratic mob rule and a constitutional republic.  They are asking students to    identify which idea was included in their  summary of the Declaration.   The Declaration as summarized in that passage does not make a distinction between a democracy or a republic; it was making a distinction between a government    that rules the people,  and a government that   is  ALLOWED to rule BY the people.    The "some" doesn't enter into it,  and wouldn't until the Constitution was drafted and signed. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:56 AM (4df7R)

183   They'd read the AP version which says the first amendment has separation of church and state and the second amendment only applies to state militias. 

Posted by: Buzzion at September 17, 2013 03:51 PM (RWUWp)


I'm rather annoyed that I've only recently learned about the existence of state churches in that time period.  (which tempers what is understood by the "separation of church and state"; it doesn't mean purely secular gov't)  

I hate that the history in high school is so filtered and shallow.   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 11:56 AM (oY6Yp)

184 Posted by: Millard Fillmore at September 17, 2013 03:40 PM (r4/6a)

I just wish the current Prezznit spoke like Fillmore did.  Shortest inaugural address ever.  He didn't give one.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 17, 2013 11:57 AM (/vuFe)

185 Hell, if this law were in place a few years ago, St. Traytable might still be beating down creepy-ass crackers to this very day.

Posted by: mugiwara at September 17, 2013 03:53 PM (W7ffl)



And the widowed Shellie Zimmerman would have saved money on divorce proceedings.

Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 11:57 AM (HfzFY)

186 Yeah, sure. The federal government would sooner make Mexican Independence Day a national holiday in the U.S. than Constitution Day.

Posted by: JR at September 17, 2013 03:54 PM (bKxJO)

 

 

-- It already is  a holiday in Houston as well as  cinco de mayo

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 17, 2013 11:57 AM (R8hU8)

187 >>>184 Okay...but then what about days for Strength, Dexterity, Wisdom, Intelligence, and Charisma? NERDS!!!11!

Posted by: wooga at September 17, 2013 11:58 AM (IBXWe)

188 A full day to shred the Constitution?  Sweet!  I'm always running out of confetti for gay pride parades.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at September 17, 2013 11:58 AM (ggRof)

189 >>>correct. Forgot about McDonald v Chicago. Makes my point though that it took 223 years to figure out that the 2nd amendment applied to all citizens of the United States and could not be usurped by the States. Brilliant.

Yeah, but this is a sword that cuts both ways so be careful.  The reason it took that long (well with the 2nd Amendment it was definitely political - let's talk 4th/5th Amendment instead, stuff we take for granted now like freedom from search and seizure or the right to remain silent) is because of the federalist structure of the government that we otherwise claim to prize so much.  One rule for the federal government, with each state allowed to make its own rules so long as they don't encroach upon areas reserved for exclusive federal powers (i.e. minting coins, foreign relations, national defense, etc.).  What that DIDN'T include, and in fact was specifically designed not to be included by the Founders, was the stuff in the Bill of Rights.  Free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, bearing arms, search and seizure: all of that originally only applied to Washington, DC and whatever actions the feds might take in the rest of the country.  But the states could do whatever the heck they wanted until incorporation, and often did.

I hate to say it, but it's one area where the Founders got it wrong.  I'm much happier in a world where my right to keep and bear arms is a national guarantee backed by the Constitution rather than something upheld only by the whims of a state legislature.  Or where my right to remain silent in the face of police interrogation, or be secure in my property, is subject to the whims of local state agencies and potentially corrupt state judiciaries.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 11:58 AM (n/+FT)

190 Please, not in August, it is nice to have one month with no holidays, it's a nice no-pressure month.

Posted by: Jocon307 at September 17, 2013 11:58 AM (6m66r)

191 Let's not forget Sadie Hawkins Day on Nov 2 where the womenz can chase men.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 03:56 PM .......................Get Off Your Lawn!!!!! LOL. Sorry JK. Brought back memories of the Sadie Hawkins dance at school. Not all good memories of course. Do they still do that in schools?

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 17, 2013 11:58 AM (sUMBr)

192 Just was over at Daily Kos.

 

Posted by: wrg500 at September 17, 2013 03:52 PM (jShXB)

 

Dear God, WHY?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R)

193 Kate Upton Cleavage Day!

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at September 17, 2013 12:00 PM (BMEH4)

194 We need a Martin Van Buren holiday, or else.
http://tinyurl.com/m5uqn2c

Posted by: The Van Buren Boys at September 17, 2013 12:00 PM (9jLim)

195 It's also the anniversary of the deadliest day in the War of Northern Aggression - Antietam.

That actually can start a real argument around here.

Blew my mind when that happened one day.

Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2013 12:00 PM (KXm42)

196

They'd read the AP version which says the first amendment has separation of church and state and the second amendment only applies to state militias.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 17, 2013 03:51 PM (RWUWp)

That's   the fine interpretations that  are  grabbed out  of thin  air that I am referring to.   Those amendments are clear and need no interpretation.   Everything is relative and open to interpretation according to legal logic. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 12:00 PM (m2CN7)

197 While we are at it: Crusader Day to commemorate how the West was saved by a volunteer army from the stone age scourge of Islam.

Great way to turn to the ME nations and say: "Thank God we aren't you."

Posted by: StubbleSpark at September 17, 2013 12:01 PM (m81NZ)

198

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 03:58 PM (4df7R)

 

 

Was reading some of the anti-gun rants.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 17, 2013 12:02 PM (L9Mr/)

199 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 03:56 PM (4df7R)


I only looked at the "truthiness" of the statement and forgot it was to summarize the Declaration.  

Yeah, bad answer.  Added ambiguity where there wasn't.    (I didn't like the phrasing as it was, either.  I was just looking for a "best intention" why they might do it that way)

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:02 PM (v3pYe)

200 @DavidVitter After freaking out Thurs w/ threats & bribery, @SenatorReid says he's fine w/ a vote on my #NoExemption from #Obamacare Amdt. We'll see.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 12:03 PM (bCEmE)

201 Yeah,the entire month of August is a holiday (or low pressure), at my office at least.

Posted by: Millard Fillmore at September 17, 2013 12:03 PM (r4/6a)

202 Why does my government want to take my guns, but wants to arm the terrorist?

Posted by: Big Ben at September 17, 2013 12:03 PM (I5Htn)

203 What we need is an AR-15 Constitution. The ultimate in scary/awesome documents.

Posted by: AR-15 AmishDude at September 17, 2013 12:03 PM (T0NGe)

204 143 --- MWR --- "that they are given certain rights that cannot be taken away" ------------- Heh. Yes, let's dumb it down to the 4th grade level! I'm sure that's why they left out the crucial "by their Creator" phrase. Maybe "creator" is too hard. I guess they could have said "by God." Gee, I wonder who gives these "rights." Do they explicitly teach that Caesar gives them, or is it just implicit?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 12:04 PM (dfYL9)

205 I would prefer they drop Labor Day altogether off the calender and make Constitution Day a paid Holiday.  But if we started tinkering like that they would probably drop one of the "religious" Holidays and make Nov 2 a Holiday so even more LIVs can vote.

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 12:04 PM (zZbNF)

206 One of my local tv stations is running constant reminders that next month is LGBT month. For some reason, as soon as I watch the commercial I fry up some bacon, cut up a tomato, toast some bread, and add some lettuce.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 12:04 PM (U2UQk)

207 Yeah, bad answer. Added ambiguity where there wasn't. (I didn't like the phrasing as it was, either. I was just looking for a "best intention" why they might do it that way)

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 04:02 PM (v3pYe)

 

Totally understand.   Normally I would be the same way, but I know the wordsmithing that goes into  standardized tests here at the state level; it's a frigging nightmare.   So I have absolutely no doubt that the wordsmithing on a federal standardized exam like this would have been very deliberate, with not a word unreviewed    or unintentional.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 12:05 PM (4df7R)

208

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 03:58 PM (n/+FT)

 

It wasn't the intepretation of the Constitution that allowed incorporation, it was the 14th amendment which was its intent.   What followed was mass litigation of what the 14th amendment allowed and they overreached from  the intent.

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 12:06 PM (m2CN7)

209 Give the federal bureaucracy an extra 240 days off. That'll solve a lot of our problems.

Posted by: rockhead at September 17, 2013 12:06 PM (jtTKf)

210 Heh.  I just discovered that my workplace blocks the Washington Post website, but not this one.

Keep up the good work, IT nerds.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 12:07 PM (SY2Kh)

211 not that crime against humanity Key Lime Pie

For an extra kick get Toad Sweat Key Lime Habanero Dessert pepper sauce and add a few drops.

Posted by: DaveA at September 17, 2013 12:07 PM (DL2i+)

212 I hate to say it, but it's one area where the Founders got it wrong. I'm much happier in a world where my right to keep and bear arms is a national guarantee backed by the Constitution rather than something upheld only by the whims of a state legislature. Or where my right to remain silent in the face of police interrogation, or be secure in my property, is subject to the whims of local state agencies and potentially corrupt state judiciaries. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 03:58 PM (n/+FT)


But if it was left up to the states and each state did it their own way, then we could let the control freak leftists have their states with no freedom of religion and no guns, and migrate to the states that do have freedom.   As opposed to our current winner takes all system where we have to gamble on Supreme Court decisions to get the right answer.     (which they often don't)

That said, people can't help but disagree with what should be universal and what should be negotiable, so that sort of system would probably be unstable.  (ex: Slavery) 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:07 PM (sGtp+)

213 It's a sign of how not-so-bright some of the bright minds here are that such phrases as War of Northern Aggression start flame wars instead of discussions. There's a lot to be learned even today, and more sources than any one person could ever consult, so it's perfect for crowd discussion. But if the only point you want to make is "Lincoln was worse than Hitler" or "Everyone in the South owned Slaves because they're racist scum", there is no point. Fort Sumter alone could fuel a weekly thread for a year, but that ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 12:07 PM (ZshNr)

214 Wait, WHAT? Yeah, my buddies and I were primitive camping near Moab. Went to Arches Nat'l Park to do the tourist thing and met some hot German tourist girls. They were too girly to come back to our primitive camp, so we went back to their hotel and had zee goot times, jah!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 12:07 PM (7ObY1)

215 I was just looking for a "best intention" why they might do it that way) Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 04:02 PM (v3pYe) Trust they wouldn't do the same for you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 17, 2013 12:08 PM (qyfb5)

216 "When my brilliant daughter graduated college she got a great job at the labor relations dept of a semi-public institution, a major library. After a couple of months she was complaining about unions. She said these people don't need a union, they aren't coal miners, they are librarians."

I swear I'm not making this up:

In Castro's Cuba, _poets_ have a union. Poets. And they have to have licenses. A friend of mine who had traveled there showed me a photo she took of just such a license.

Actual poetic license. Brought to you by the workers' paradise.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 17, 2013 12:09 PM (gqT4g)

217 I think May Day has a better chance.  

Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2013 12:09 PM (sOtz/)

218   Gee, I wonder who gives these "rights." Do they explicitly teach that Caesar gives them, or is it just implicit? 

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 04:04 PM (dfYL9)


Rights apparently just pop into existence, which seems to be why I've seen people argue that Internet access is a "right". 

Why is it a right?   Who knows?  But they have it, and can't imagine living without it, so it must be a right.   (/facepalm) 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:10 PM (v3pYe)

219 -
7 Anything to get the populace to read the thing, I'm for. Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 03:11 PM
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So you're in favor of inserting (heh) a Miley Cyrus video in the Constitution somewhere?
Because that's one of the few things that might work with the Person-of-Tard majority.

Posted by: irright at September 17, 2013 12:10 PM (8GKDa)

220 >>>That's the fine interpretations that are grabbed out of thin air that I am referring to. Those amendments are clear and need no interpretation.

Nah, they're not.  The 2nd Amendment is far clearer, but even there: does the 2nd Amendment mean I ought to be able to own a nuclear bomb if I can assemble the necessary parts and build it?  Don't dismiss it as a silly hypothetical, because it's not.  Moreoever, how does one define "arms?"  Does that cover all manner of ordnance?  Bombs?  Explosives?  Or just guns, i.e. those things which can be carried in one's arm and would have fallen under the definition of "arms" understood by James Madison (who wrote the Bill of Rights) and the Founders?

The First Amendment is even thornier.  The Establishment clause has been fought over endlessly, for one: we can all agree that it means the Federal government cannot establish a national religion (a la the Church Of England, which was the specific example that was in the minds of the Founders when this was written), but what else does it mean?  You can run the gamut from the thoroughly retarded atheist "freedom from religion" arguments to "government can talk about Jesus and soak in a Christian theological mileu so long as it doesn't impose an official religion."

Then there's the "free exercise" clause.  What constitutes a religion such that it qualifies for this defense?  The Mormons were certainly interested in the answer to that, as they got themselves massacred more than a few times for the free exercise of their religion (IIRC there's still a law on the books in Missouri or Illinois stating that it is legal to murder a Mormon on sight).  Where does "free exercise" of religion butt up against other legal prohibitions?  Animal sacrifice?  Sexual or marriage acts we might consider abominable?

I haven't even gotten into the "free speech" section yet.  Should it be legal to advocate the assassination of a President?  Or to agitate openly for violent communist revolution?  Or to threaten people with violent harm, put them in fear for their lives?

All of these may be simple answers for you, but rest assured others would answer them differently.  And who is going to determine which answer is correct among all the people who disagree?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 12:10 PM (n/+FT)

221 Maybe We Should Make It a Genuine Holiday
Y'all know there's a federal law that requires it to be celebrated in schools, right?  It was sponsored by Kleagle Byrd.

http://is.gd/xEjFUJ

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 17, 2013 12:11 PM (/kI1Q)

222 In Castro's Cuba, _poets_ have a union. Poets. And they have to have licenses. A friend of mine who had traveled there showed me a photo she took of just such a license. Yeah, if you want to stand on a street-corner and argue about baseball in Cuba you have to have a license.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 12:12 PM (U2UQk)

223 Would you like to go back to the way it was before? Well then get ready to turn in all your guns immediately should you be unfortunate enough to live in a blue state, because the 2nd Amendment RTKBA wouldn't apply to you in a world without incorporation.

 

 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 03:40 PM (n/+FT)

 

--------------------------------

 

LAW DON'T GO AROUND HERE,   SAVVY?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 17, 2013 12:12 PM (CJjw5)

224 Fort Sumter alone could fuel a weekly thread for a year, but that ain't gonna happen. Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 04:07 PM (ZshNr) Lincoln deliberately did not remove his troops from Ft Sumter to provoke just the attack he wanted. Does Gulf of Tonkin ring a bell?

Posted by: John Smith at September 17, 2013 12:12 PM (wR+pz)

225 But if it was left up to the states and each state did it their own way, then we could let the control freak leftists have their states with no freedom of religion and no guns, and migrate to the states that do have freedom. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 04:07 PM (sGtp+) Nope, you'd get the same thing we have now because they Never Stop Pushing because their Holy Grail is permanent worldwide power - It's For The Children. I doubt the difference would even be noticeable, even after a bunch of resources were burned moving people around. Most people don't have politics as the first driver in their life, they think first of their family or their friends or their church or their job. I don't think there is a clever answer. I think we need to, painfully, realize that we've been living in a fantasy where we don't have to Fight Every Day, and the historical mean is "you DO have to Fight Every Day."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 17, 2013 12:12 PM (qyfb5)

226 Trust they wouldn't do the same for you. 

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at September 17, 2013 04:08 PM (qyfb5)


They wouldn't, but I'm not them.   Theirs is a pathetic existence that has nothing worthwhile for me to imitate.   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:12 PM (sGtp+)

227 Yeah, if you want to stand on a street-corner and argue about baseball in Cuba you have to have a license.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 17, 2013 04:12 PM (U2UQk)



Schumer and Bloomberg just got raging penumbras.

Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 12:14 PM (HfzFY)

228 Teh Hitler

"Comedian and civil rights activist Dick Gregory compared Walmart to the leader of Nazi Germany at a 'living wage' rally in front of the D.C. City Council Tuesday.

"When you look at Hitler and those thugs, you can put Walmart right next to them," Gregory said in his speech to the 150 or so people at the event. The crowd was gathered to protest D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray's veto of the bill that would have singled out the retail giant and forced it pay $12.50-an-hour to its employees."

Ever since I was a kid, they've been referring to Dick Gregory as a comedian.  I've never heard him tell a single joke.  He says funny-peculiar stuff such as the above but never any funny-haha stuff.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 17, 2013 12:15 PM (XUKZU)

229 Speaking of rights just popping out of thin air, what happened to the free water loons?  Been a while since I've heard their moronic bleating about making it illegal to charge money for water.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at September 17, 2013 12:16 PM (epxV4)

230 199 --- No, the Founders got it right. The doctrine of incorporation is horseshit and has given the Left massive power over the morals and customs of the states. It has done exactly what the Founders feared, allowed the feds to establish a national religion, a religion interpreted by 9 high priests reading the entrails of a chicken. And you will notice that the Left only incorporates in its own favor. This Heller period, where some conservative/libertarian justices decided that, if you're going to incorporate the other amendments, you must incorporate the 2nd, will not last long. In fact, SCOTUS is more likely to discover a new "right" not to have armed neighbors. (This is why Clarence Thomas wrote a second opinion in Heller. He rejects incorporation and wisely refused to use it in his defense of the decision.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 12:16 PM (dfYL9)

231 >>>It wasn't the intepretation of the Constitution that allowed incorporation, it was the 14th amendment which was its intent.

Nah, it most certainly wasn't the intent of the 14th amendment to incorporate the Bill of Rights to the states.  Understand, I say this as someone who is very, very, very glad that incorporation happened.  But as a student of the legal history of the Constitution, and I'm well-versed in both the Congressional debates that surrounded the 14th and 15th Amendments (they were packaged more or less together, although ratfied two years apart) and the subsequent history of judicial interpretation of them, this is just wrong. 

The 14th Amendment, in the minds of those who drafted it and voted for it, was conceived strictly through the lens of securing rights for freed slaves in the Southern states, i.e. preventing them from being denied any rights that white citizens of those states might also have. 

The wording of the Amendment was flexible enough to subsequently allow a later interpretation that led to incorporation of the Bill of Rights to the states, but the mere fact that it took over 150 years to do that (and is still incomplete - the 7th amendment is not incorporated nor will/should it ever be) is evidence enough that it wasn't written with the goal of applying the Constitution to the states in mind.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 12:16 PM (n/+FT)

232 Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 04:07 PM ..........................The South's gonna do it again!!!!! (What lose the war?)

Posted by: The North at September 17, 2013 12:17 PM (sUMBr)

233

Since the Constitution is racist, we need another Black American  holiday to offset it.

 

How about Michael Jordan Day?  Or Trayvon Martin Day?  Or Spike Lee Day?  Or LeBron Day?  All these guys are just as important as some document.

Posted by: EEO/AA at September 17, 2013 12:18 PM (pDRpv)

234 Ever since I was a kid, they've been referring to Dick Gregory as a comedian. I've never heard him tell a single joke. He says funny-peculiar stuff such as the above but never any funny-haha stuff. ITA. Richard Pryor was another one. If he ever told an actual joke, I must have missed it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 12:18 PM (7ObY1)

235   Nah, they're not. The 2nd Amendment is far clearer, but even there: does the 2nd Amendment mean I ought to be able to own a nuclear bomb if I can assemble the necessary parts and build it? Don't dismiss it as a silly hypothetical, because it's not. Moreoever, how does one define "arms?" Does that cover all manner of ordnance? Bombs? Explosives? Or just guns, i.e. those things which can be carried in one's arm and would have fallen under the definition of "arms" understood by James Madison (who wrote the Bill of Rights) and the Founders?


Considering that privately owned warships (privateers) and artillery were used in the revolution, I submit that the Founders intended anything to be fair game.  

That is disquieting in light of the WMDs that now exist; which may one day be affordable for individuals to use and abuse.  But in terms of what the Founders understood it to mean, look at how they fought the Revolutionary War and you have a pretty clear answer.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:18 PM (v3pYe)

236 Richard Pryor was another one. If he ever told an actual joke, I must have missed it. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 04:18 PM
----------------

Are you serious?

Posted by: irright at September 17, 2013 12:19 PM (8GKDa)

237 Speaking of rights just popping out of thin air, what happened to the free water loons? Been a while since I've heard their moronic bleating about making it illegal to charge money for water. That's not as stupid as the "Water Rights" written into certain deeds around the nation. Some places don't allow you to collect rainwater because it may interfere with someone else's "Water Rights". Even though almost all of that rainwater would evaporate anyway and doesn't make it into your little stream. It doesn't matter. Put a rain barrel on your downspout and face the local government's wrath.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 12:20 PM (yETln)

238 This is what Kelly Brook thinks of incorporation.....

http://tinyurl.com/b7bqns9

NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 12:20 PM (gqgiP)

239 Trayvon Martin Day. Everybody gets the day off to make purple drank, smoke some choom, wear hoodies and beat down white hispanics. And white whites. Holder and Obama et al would love that.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 12:21 PM (7ObY1)

240 The siege of Sumter predated Lincoln's Presidency by a good deal. Resupply ships had been fired on a couple months before his inauguration. Could he have abandoned the post and prevented a war? No, not in any way I see. But hat's just me. The minutes from the cabinet meetings he held regarding Sumter are available. As are letters he wrote in that time frame. I've read a lot, certainly not all, of them and if anyone really cares I'll find a way to scan pages and post them some day. You could draw completely different conclusions from the same documents.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 17, 2013 12:21 PM (ZshNr)

241 Over a hundred read, and no one said it? Oooookaa-aay I saw the emanations & penumbras open for Gary Puckett & the Union Gap in '69.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 17, 2013 12:22 PM (QbKVX)

242 Are you serious? In Living Color used to have a skit where all Pryor does is make faces and act nervous instead of saying anything funny. That's my take on him too.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 12:22 PM (7ObY1)

243 OK, this is really embarrassing on two different levels. But here goes. Right now, at this instant, I am helping an elderly relative sign up for a Twitter account. Somehow she got it into her head that I am a "computer expert" and that I therefore know about these things. I guess in same ways, compared to her, I am a computer expert, but I didn't have the heart to tell her that I have until this moment refused to get involved in, sign up for, or learn anything about Twitter, as a matter of principle. So I agreed to help her. So far, we've successfully (as far as I can tell) signed up for an account, and "followed" Taylor Swift, Duck Dynasty, CNN, someone called "demetria lovato," and something called "Instagram," not because we wanted to, but because the signup page forced us to "follow" five things to get to the next step in the process, and those were the top five "recommended" ones to click on. Now we're on some page that lists the (mostly incomprehensible) tweets from these five "people." But what is the next step? My main question is (and please excuse the deep ignorance): Is there some kind of Twitter application, for regular desktop/laptop computers? There seems to be "apps" for smartphones and tablets, but the person I'm helping has a desktop computer, not a smartphone, so those apps are irrelevant. Yet I don't see a standalone twitter application for regular computers. Does such a thing exist? If not, then via what mechanism does one become aware of the tweets one is supposed to see? Do we go to this "following" Web page to see them? And to see new ones, must we refresh the page -- or does it update itself automatically? I know this level of ignorance must seem shocking to many of you, and I had hoped to avoid this crisis moment altogether, but I promised this relative I would help, so help I will!

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 12:23 PM (+cx5n)

244 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 04:18 PM (v3pYe)

I would limit legal weapons to what would normally be possessed by a militia.

So small artillery pieces, mortars, etc. seem reasonable. Aircraft, theater weapons, nuclear weapons are probably not acceptable.

But certainly all personal weapons of a soldier should be completely legal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 12:23 PM (gqgiP)

245 >>>(This is why Clarence Thomas wrote a second opinion in Heller. He rejects incorporation and wisely refused to use it in his defense of the decision.)

I have no idea what on earth you're talking about.  Clarence Thomas joined the majority in Heller and did not write a concurring opinion.  If it's McDonald you're thinking about, you're even more retardedly wrong: he wrote a concurring opinion there, where he specifically said that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the Second Amendment to the states.  The reason it was a concurrence is because he used a different clause to get there (the "Privileges and Immunities" clause rather than equal protection clause).

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 12:23 PM (n/+FT)

246 compared Walmart to the leader of Nazi Germany at a 'living wage' rally

It's pointless to point out that the concept of "a living wage for all workers" is an actual Nazi party plank, isn't it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 17, 2013 12:23 PM (/kI1Q)

247 241 --- Well said. I emphatically do not share your love of incorporation, which I think is foolish and short-sighted. But at least we agree that it was NOT intended by the 14thA and is merely an invention of the imperialistic, theocratic Left.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 12:24 PM (dfYL9)

248 This is what Kelly Brook thinks of incorporation..... pearl necklaces. Fixed.

Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 12:24 PM (doBIb)

249 The Constitution?  Never heard of it

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 17, 2013 12:24 PM (Pr6hk)

250 "Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 17, 2013 04:22 PM"

As a cadet, I once got 10 hours for emanating into the penumbra during a spirit rally.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2013 12:24 PM (knoK7)

251 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 04:18 PM (v3pYe)

Private warships held letters of marque, which makes them a bit different.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 12:24 PM (gqgiP)

252 Constipation Day?  That's every day for me if I don't take my Senna!

Posted by: Emily Littella at September 17, 2013 12:25 PM (OZmbA)

253 246 Richard Pryor was another one. If he ever told an actual joke, I must have missed it. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 04:18 PM Try this out. http://tinyurl.com/5rka96

Posted by: John Smith at September 17, 2013 12:25 PM (wR+pz)

254 BTW, Calif Gov Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown announced today that California and China have signed a climate compact. Anyone care to guess what the U.S. Constitution says about that? My response is on my Twitter feed. (@ThePoliticalHat)

Posted by: The Political Hat (@ThePoliticalHat) at September 17, 2013 12:26 PM (p0351)

255

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 04:10 PM (n/+FT)

 

With all  due respect your examples are silly.   A nuclear bomb is not a weapon that  can be handled by an individual.   The first amendment says the government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion , or prohibiting the free exeercise thereof..... Its quite clear that  that Jefferson's statement that this was to create a clear separation between church and state did not mean the government could not participate in any activity that involved a religious theme.   That is evidenced by the fact that that was not the case during Jefferson's life and another 20 years after. 

 

Your logic is the exact logic I am railing against. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 12:26 PM (m2CN7)

256 If I have my way, you'll be able to celebrate Constitution Day on Memorial Day

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at September 17, 2013 12:26 PM (Pr6hk)

257 >>>That is disquieting in light of the WMDs that now exist; which may one day be affordable for individuals to use and abuse. But in terms of what the Founders understood it to mean, look at how they fought the Revolutionary War and you have a pretty clear answer.

Then you're saying, basically, that the Founders were wrong on this, or rather that they blew it in their inability to anticipate the creation of truly horrifying weapons that frankly cannot be kept safely by private citizens (anyone want to dispute this?  Or are you okay with your fuckup neighbor keeping poorly secured stockpiles of anthrax or Sarin gas or HE in the shed on his property near where your children play?)

It's not a crime to acknowledge, FWIW.  The principles enshrined in the Bill of Rights are pretty much miraculous genius -- so much so that you darn well could make an argument for divine inspiration, or at least the surpassing wisdom of the guys who wrote the document and the Enlightenment principles they stuck to -- but there's no question that it needed interpretation.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 12:27 PM (n/+FT)

258 It was more like the knowledgeable schooling the ignorant, but it was fun to read. I'm not sure I want to know which of those two you thought I was...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 12:27 PM (/PCJa)

259 244 Richard Pryor was another one. If he ever told an actual joke, I must have missed it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 04:18 PM (7ObY1)



When Richard Pryor first started he was one of the funniest standup comedians I had ever heard. I have his first album around somewhere and I used to roll in the floor laughing at that thing.  I will not include the title of it because it is "racially offensive".


And here is a copy available used through Amazon for only $47


http://is.gd/XYWF3K


Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 12:29 PM (zZbNF)

260 Sorry zombie, no help here. I follow Ace, IowaHawk, Joe Bastardi, and Breaking News but I have no idea how I set anything up. Yeah, I have Tammy Bruce, too, 'cause she's funny sometimes. I suspect she might be the ghey, but I know I could cure her.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 12:30 PM (U2UQk)

261 I especially like the part with the right to kill a baby

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at September 17, 2013 12:30 PM (Pr6hk)

262 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 04:27 PM (/PCJa)

You were being nice.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 12:31 PM (gqgiP)

263

Then you're saying, basically, that the Founders were wrong on this, or rather that they blew it in their inability to anticipate the creation of truly horrifying weapons that frankly cannot be kept safely by private citizens (anyone want to dispute this? Or are you okay with your fuckup neighbor keeping poorly secured stockpiles of anthrax or Sarin gas or HE in the shed on his property near where your children play?)

I can't recall, when did we start distributing sarin gas to our soldiers?   Your examples are getting sillier.

Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 12:32 PM (m2CN7)

264 new one

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 12:32 PM (zZbNF)

265 Yet I don't see a standalone twitter application for regular computers. Does such a thing exist? If not, then via what mechanism does one become aware of the tweets one is supposed to see? Do we go to this "following" Web page to see them? And to see new ones, must we refresh the page -- or does it update itself automatically?

1) There are apps for Mac and Windows 8 computers in their respective app stores, but on a computer the web interface is perfectly sufficient.

2) The screen where you see the tweets from the people you chose to follow is the main screen.  There's a search field at the top; you can use it to find people/TV shows/whatever you actually *want* to follow, like Iowahawk.  You can also click the "Me" button to see/edit your profile.

3) The page will tell you when new Tweets arrive and give you a button to click to see them.  (There's probably a preference to make it just plain auto-refresh).

Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2013 12:34 PM (B/VB5)

266 I support making Constitution Day a holiday. It has nothing to do with my birthday falling on the same day.

Posted by: ChrisV at September 17, 2013 12:34 PM (EhpLh)

267 I would limit legal weapons to what would normally be possessed by a militia.  So small artillery pieces, mortars, etc. seem reasonable. Aircraft, theater weapons, nuclear weapons are probably not acceptable.

Agreed that those are rather reasonable limits, but in terms of what the Founders intended with the 2nd Amendment - you're going to have to show me where they limited any weapon of war.  


  Private warships held letters of marque, which makes them a bit different. 
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 04:24 PM (gqgiP)

Private warships had letters of marque to operate as privateers and be legally recognized for claiming prizes, but I don't think they needed any prior approval to exist and be owned.  (Then it'd just be an merchantship armed to protect self from piracy) 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:34 PM (sGtp+)

268 "...but there's no question that it needed interpretation."

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 04:27 PM (n/+FT)

Just the tip though.....

Over-interpretation of the Constitution has led us to an existential crisis in this country.

A strict and simple interpretation, based on the founders thoughts found in their writings, would have given us a much clearer understanding of the Constitution and a much clearer set of laws.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 12:34 PM (gqgiP)

269 250 The siege of Sumter predated Lincoln's Presidency by a good deal. Resupply ships had been fired on a couple months before his inauguration. Could he have abandoned the post and prevented a war? No, not in any way I see. I respectfully disagree. If my memory serves me correctly, he was given the opportunity to do just that and refused.

Posted by: John Smith at September 17, 2013 12:35 PM (wR+pz)

270 Then you're saying, basically, that the Founders were wrong on this, or rather that they blew it in their inability to anticipate the creation of truly horrifying weapons that frankly cannot be kept safely by private citizens (anyone want to dispute this? Or are you okay with your fuckup neighbor keeping poorly secured stockpiles of anthrax or Sarin gas or HE in the shed on his property near where your children play?)

I tend to agree with what you're saying here, but the fact that you think it needed to be juiced by making it For Teh Children points out that it's not a philosophical slam dunk.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 17, 2013 12:36 PM (B/VB5)

271 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 04:34 PM (sGtp+)

The practical limits of the arms available to the various state militias is a reasonable limit for me. Perhaps that was the function of the first clause of the amendment?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 12:36 PM (gqgiP)

272 >>>I can't recall, when did we start distributing sarin gas to our soldiers? Your examples are getting sillier.

The problem is that you're using an altogether too simple interpretative standard and assuming the answer makes all interpretations easy.  Okay, so the Founders were only thinking of muskets, which were the weapons issued to soldiers and used in militias?  Well what handguns?  Pistols?  AR-15s? 

Moreover, the far more important "only what the Founders were thinking of when it was written" standard immediately falls over flat when you import that approach to other amendments.  Particularly the 4th Amendment concerning unreasonable searches and seizures.  How can you even conceive of what the Founder might have made of wiretapping, photo surveillance, heat-imaging, etc. etc. in a world where electicity was barely understood as a concept?  If you're saying that the answer is "we take the spirit of what they meant and bring it into the modern age"...well that's a different standard than you applied to the Second Amendment above.  Why does one amendment to the Constitution get one type of interpretative standard and another amendment to the Constitution get a different one?

Furthermore, you haven't even engaged with the incorporation problem.  The Bill of Rights was written specifically for the federal government and not the states.  You're speaking as if it just makes sense to apply the BoR to the states wholesale, and that's that.  Okay, so you're saying that nobody can be brought up on criminal charges now without a grand jury convening?  Because that's what the 7th Amendment states -- makes sense with respect to federal crimes (because those a Big Effin' Deals) but probably not to the girl caught shoplifting at the local Walgreens or your brother-in-law's recent DUI.  But if you're so certain that the 14th Amendment incorporated everything to the states wholesale, then every damn state in the union is currently using an unconstitutional criminal justice system...and is now going to need to spend MILLIONS of dollars more to bring things into compliance with the Constitutional Standard.

So what's the argument that the Bill of Rights is "obviously" incorporated to the states by the 14th Amendment, and that us lawyers and judges are just gunking shit up to be clever and make trouble...but that oh yeah that 7th Amendment, that's a total exception to the rule?  This isn't beginning to look to systematic here...

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 12:42 PM (n/+FT)

273 -
Richard Pryor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHQHCpshwc

Posted by: irright at September 17, 2013 12:44 PM (8GKDa)

274 Then you're saying, basically, that the Founders were wrong on this, or rather that they blew it in their inability to anticipate the creation of truly horrifying weapons that frankly cannot be kept safely by private citizens (anyone want to dispute this? Or are you okay with your fuckup neighbor keeping poorly secured stockpiles of anthrax or Sarin gas or HE in the shed on his property near where your children play?)


Failing to anticipate != wrong.   Not that I even put the Founders on the level of infallible; just very wise.   

First off, fuckup neighbors aren't going to have the expertise or resources to build a stockpile of chemical weapons. 

Second, given that there are unenumerated rights reserved to the states and citizens, this could be restricted at the state level - no unsafe handling of massively destructive weapons, just like you can't recklessly shoot bullets inside a city.  That does require us to restore the 10th Amendment and a balance between federal/state power.  

Our current equilibrium is liveable and perhaps reasonable, but it does violence to the Constitution when we say, "I feel this is impractical, so let's ignore what it meant in favor of something more convenient".  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:44 PM (v3pYe)

275 No one will see this so... my sign from the last gun rally I attended Even a moron knows the 2nd amend guarantees "The right of the people" to possess arms equal to the task of securing their liberty.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 17, 2013 12:45 PM (e0nsQ)

276 Crap, it's the Fifth Amendment that has the unincorporated grand jury provision for infamous crimes.  I got glib there myself, sorry.  The point still stands though -- grand juries aren't used to charge 99% of crimes like murder, rape, etc. in the 50 states.  If we're "incorporating" everything automatically under the 14th Amendment, that's gotta change and damn near every murder trial in the past 100 years has been unconstitutional.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2013 12:47 PM (n/+FT)

277 we'd all be spending Obama Dollars* already. * Worth 35¢
 34, 33 ... 12, 11ty each.

Posted by: DaveA at September 17, 2013 12:48 PM (DL2i+)

278 275 Posted by: Ian S. Thanks. That was helpful.

Posted by: zombie at September 17, 2013 12:48 PM (+cx5n)

279 barrel

Posted by: Vic at September 17, 2013 12:49 PM (zZbNF)

280 Just replace constitution day with labor day.  Most people think labor day is celebrating unions and since most people aren't in unions anymore and most people don't like the people they know are in unions because they feel "unions had their time but now they give union members an unfair advantage over regular "at will" employees" (which most Americans are) and yes that's a quote from a genuine two time obama voter who is now wholly disillusioned and will not admit they were wrong but is threatening "never to vote again"/  Every time they make that threat it's funny to watch their boyfriend ask them "is that a promise".  I'm thinking boyfriend is a closet conservative.

Keeping with the "day of service" meme, all the networks can teach about the constitution.  Film makers can participate in contests to see who had the best film about the constitution or the founders.   Places can have workshops like "make your own flag" and "bake a George Washington cherry pie to take home".  The museums in DC can have free admission, their your museums anyway and some people can't afford to take the family. There can be concerts in parks.  People can "shoot guns" like they do in Vegas at the gun shops where you pick your perp and your gun and then roll up your perp and take him/her home to display on your closet door. 
People can build log cabins for the poor and fix houses that date back to Constitutional times that the owners have trouble keeping up. 

People can have huge community pick nick and barbecues with fireworks in the evening.  Some other department store, like target, can do the fireworks in New York or a consortium of department stores.  We can have Constitutional day sales.

Constitutional day would be waaay more fun than labor day cause there are more great things attached to our constituion and history.  Heck we took away the President's bdays on their real b days to make monday holidays, why not have a real end of the summer celebration for something real to every American, not just some Americans.  In fact I don't know why the left hasn't picked up on that part of labor day yet.

Posted by: ......... at September 17, 2013 12:50 PM (Nx76m)

281   The practical limits of the arms available to the various state militias is a reasonable limit for me. Perhaps that was the function of the first clause of the amendment?   

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 04:36 PM (gqgiP)

How do practical limitations from back then change the meaning of "shall not be infringed"?    What does affordability have to do with the restriction of gov't action?  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 12:53 PM (v3pYe)

282 How about we call it Constitutional Republic Day? nah, that would make the other (evil) side be sad. And mad, too. See, they live in what they call a 'democracy', in other words, Mob Rule.

Posted by: EROWMER at September 17, 2013 12:55 PM (OONaw)

283 Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 17, 2013 04:45 PM (e0nsQ)

Well done.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 12:58 PM (gqgiP)

284 292 How about we call it Constitutional Republic Day? nah, that would make the other (evil) side be sad. And mad, too. See, they live in what they call a 'democracy', in other words, Mob Rule.

Posted by: EROWMER at September 17, 2013 04:55 PM (OONaw)

Read a tweet somewhere the other day where someone was exhorting everyone to "sigh their petition" to make all voting done on your iphone or computer.  No one would vote except electronically. 

I thought to myself, "wow, with all the hackers out they would just love to "hack the vote".  Could you see "hack the vote for so and so"  It would be like letting a 5 year old and his dad and a grand lose in toys r us and saying now "look but don't spend".

Posted by: ......... at September 17, 2013 12:58 PM (Nx76m)

285 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 17, 2013 04:53 PM (v3pYe)

I'm not sure that affordability is paramount; rather the admittedly squishy "Can it be handled effectively by a state militia," limitation.

But.....I am not wedded to this. In fact, I like "The 2nd amendment guarantees "The right of the people" to possess arms equal to the task of securing their liberty." From nothinglefttolose, above.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 01:02 PM (gqgiP)

286 does the 2nd Amendment mean I ought to be able to own a nuclear bomb if I can assemble the necessary parts and build it? Don't dismiss it as a silly hypothetical, because it's not.

Well regulated means properly functioning.  So for a nuke you've gotta have the PAL setup and be tied to NCA sp?  Want an anthrax plant buy Johnson Island.


Posted by: DaveA at September 17, 2013 01:02 PM (DL2i+)

287 Thanks Vic.  Which way to the 3XL barrel.

Posted by: DaveA at September 17, 2013 01:05 PM (DL2i+)

288 H.R.748 - Universal National Service Act   http://tinyurl.com/mvmsajk

someone discovered this and they are pretty upset.  It's bad enough they have student loans up the wazoo and have to live with their parents and be on their parent's health insurance but now they'd have to do this?   It's not popular. 

"Universal National Service Act - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform a 2-year period of national service, unless exempted, either through military service or through civilian service in a federal, state, or local government program or with a community-based agency or entity engaged in meeting human, educational, environmental, or public safety needs. Requires induction into national service by the President. Allows persons to be inducted only: (1) under a declaration of war or national emergency, or (2) when members of the Armed Forces are engaged in a contingency operation. Requires each person, before induction, to be examined physically and mentally for classification for fitness to perform. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from combatant training and military service; and (2) discharge following national service."

Posted by: ......... at September 17, 2013 01:08 PM (Nx76m)

289 @#298:

They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney, government would be bringing back the draft.  And they were right!

Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 17, 2013 01:17 PM (/vuFe)

290 #13 and don't forget the "emerging awarenesses."

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 17, 2013 01:42 PM (QAyRP)

291 Today (Sept 17) needs to be a national holiday for three reasons.

1) Anniversary of the Constitution
2) Anniversary of the Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg
3) It's my birthday, and dammit, I want my birthday to be a national holiday!

Posted by: DarkFlounder at September 17, 2013 03:42 PM (b6TD9)

292 in CA they did make it a special day and ordered that schools teach about it on that day. At my college campus, the lefty profs (there are no righties) had a teach-in questioning the legitimacy of the Constitution and the US in general.

*sigh*

You can't win.

Posted by: PJ at September 17, 2013 03:51 PM (ZWaLo)

293 カシオ

Posted by: パズドラ 体力チート at October 17, 2013 12:55 AM (jHrUv)

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