March 22, 2013
— andy Ace-a-Thon Day 2. Give 'til it hurts.
Shot:
The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state. #mythofownership
— Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias) September 18, 2012
Journalist and political blogger Matthew Yglesias bought a three-bedroom, three-bath condo on Q Street in Logan Circle for $1.2 million. In a converted Victorian rowhouse, the unit has original exposed-brick walls and a private patio. Yglesias writes about business and the economy for Slate.
So, party at Matty's this weekend? I mean, I'm sure he won't mind if we crash the joint, what with that myth of owning private property and all.
Here at the HQ, we have our sights set much lower. All we're trying to do is get Ace a new cardboard box for the Spring, and maybe an upgrade to the fancy paper plates and individual plastic utensils ... although I hear he's going pretty well with his Assault Spork there under the bridge.
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2013 04:28 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 04:29 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2013 04:30 AM (Cnqmv)
Property plainly existed before any state, unless you can define a single person as a state. After all, the first property was defined with a statement tot he effect, "Touch my stuff and I'll kill you." The individual could either back up the threat or he couldn't. Those who could were able to amass property.
Where the state came in was when a bunch of guy figure out they could take down Mr. Property Owner by ganging up on him and in turn better retain property by cooperatively assigning members to defend while the others were doing other necessary tasks.
So it should be remembered that the state has its origin in group thuggery.
Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2013 04:31 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 04:32 AM (hO8IJ)
Got it.
That must be news to the first Neanderthal ever to curb stomp another one for touching his spear.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 04:33 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Harp at March 22, 2013 04:36 AM (h9ygK)
Posted by: SurferDoc at March 22, 2013 04:37 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 04:37 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:33 AM (sbV1u)
Heh heh.
[Insert gay neanderthal joke here]
No not there!
Posted by: mugiwara at March 22, 2013 04:37 AM (W7ffl)
The fact that this asshole has that much money tells me we're in Bizarro World
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 04:38 AM (1Jaio)
The concept of the State falsely implies the existence of modern governance is prior to the existence of the Catholic Church.
I mean, as long as we're getting down to brass tacks, Matt.
Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at March 22, 2013 04:38 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 22, 2013 04:38 AM (NxuOr)
15 Journalist and political blogger Matthew Yglesias bought a
three-bedroom, three-bath condo on Q Street in Logan Circle for $1.2
million.
The fact that this asshole has that much money tells me we're in Bizarro World
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 08:38 AM (1Jaio)
The fact that a 3Bed/3Ba costs $1.2mil tells me people are fucking stupid.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 04:39 AM (da5Wo)
Clearly, Matty is not very well read.
http://tinyurl.com/cv36nl7
And really, why would I listen to someone so poorly educated?
I only wish I had seen that Tweet when it first came out.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 04:39 AM (sbV1u)
It probably helps that low info voters never hear things like this (the media dutifully ignores them), but they probably wouldn't even understand the statement anyway. Hell, they'd probably think, "That sounds smart," and nod along.
Posted by: red sweater at March 22, 2013 04:40 AM (oATMN)
All we're trying to do is get Ace a new cardboard box for the Spring, and maybe an upgrade to the fancy paper plates and individual plastic utensils ... although I hear he's going pretty well with his Assault Spork there under the bridge.
Cardboard box? Luxury.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 04:41 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 04:41 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at March 22, 2013 04:41 AM (1Tubq)
Now let's talk about who owns it........where did I leave my club,hmmmmm
Posted by: caveman at March 22, 2013 04:42 AM (+PG07)
Posted by: Island of Misfit Tweets at March 22, 2013 04:43 AM (NxuOr)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 04:43 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 22, 2013 04:43 AM (PUtqE)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:39 AM (sbV1u)
For that, you'd probably have to follow the douche. I salute the brave souls who actually keep their eyes on these guys. It has to be done, but man, you're sacrificing your sanity. You will never have a peaceful day.
Posted by: red sweater at March 22, 2013 04:43 AM (oATMN)
"Thank you to my capitalist swine mommy and daddy. "
Please, God, let this be the truth. Knowing the talentless FUPA Dunham got millions for nothing was bad enough.
Posted by: Jaws at March 22, 2013 04:44 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 04:44 AM (1Jaio)
"Thank you to my capitalist swine mommy and daddy"
The part of the MattYG success story that conveniently gets memory holed...
Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 04:44 AM (lbiWb)
If property doesn't exist until the state exists, then neither does individual labour - you literally are not an individual person until the state "validates" you.
Which Yglesias also probably agrees with.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 22, 2013 04:45 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: Dante at March 22, 2013 04:45 AM (SkFDg)
So all you homos, keep your meathooks off.
Posted by: Francis "Psycho" Soyer at March 22, 2013 04:45 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: EC at March 22, 2013 04:46 AM (GQ8sn)
Yeah, I'm flashing back 20 years to college, where douches with trust funds wearing $150 Birkenstocks would tell me and my $19 Target knockoffs that capitalism was evil. What I didn't realize at the time was they hated it because it allowed poor people to have the same decent standard of living--shelter, food, entertainment, new clothes now and then--as they could. Sure, smaller houses, pleather instead of leather, fewer brand names, spring break in Kansas instead of Aruba, but if you're decently hard-working and correctly prioritizing, you can put new shoes on your kids' feet instead of begging for castoffs, like poor people in the "good old days."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 04:46 AM (hO8IJ)
OK, just tossed a Grant to the head Ewok. If Ace can allow me to defile his place with warmed-over Hollywood stories, I can at least pay for the pixels I use.
Got an early doctor's appointment, so will be in and out. bbl.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 04:46 AM (zF6Iw)
Wait, is this another gay marriage thread?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 04:48 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: SurferDoc at March 22, 2013 04:48 AM (6H6FZ)
Tell ya what. If I get a check today from the company I contract for, (it's late...very late, and I'm jonesing for some money...but only to pay bills, and and eat, and shit), I'll drop some money in the tip jar. But I want ampersands, damnit!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2013 04:48 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 04:49 AM (lbiWb)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:37 AM (hO8IJ)
Barry: You've been reading my second term manifesto?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 04:50 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 04:50 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 04:51 AM (g7q64)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 22, 2013 04:51 AM (NxuOr)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 04:52 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 22, 2013 04:53 AM (PUtqE)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 04:53 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Boone at March 22, 2013 04:53 AM (NF2rf)
Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 04:54 AM (64rcm)
A little OT here...but I know some of the 'rons and 'ettes are kind of computer savvy. I want to add Linux...specifically a 64 bit version as a second boot option. I don't want this to run under windows in any way. I have plenty of HD space, and I'm looking for a robust, and stable build, with lots of support for third party devices.
Any recommendations out there?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2013 04:54 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 04:54 AM (FsUAO)
#53,
Hey, what do you have against Parrots? FWIW, my grandkid's guinea pig figured out which lever gets little foody pellets... so I'll go w/Matty = guinea pig.
Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 04:55 AM (lbiWb)
They stole that from Daffy Duck
http://tinyurl.com/awjropu
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 04:56 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Boone at March 22, 2013 08:53 AM (NF2rf)
Bingo!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 04:58 AM (1Jaio)
Of course, it also helps if they're dispatched before skinning.
Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2013 04:59 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2013 04:59 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 05:00 AM (g7q64)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:00 AM (FsUAO)
Well that would be rather unsporting, wouldn't it be old chap?
Posted by: Robert Crawley, Sixth Earl of Grantham at March 22, 2013 05:00 AM (sbV1u)
Now that the douche chill I just got has passed for the moment, I have to ask a question: If we derive our property rights from the State, then from where does the State get its property rights?
If the State is just people acting on our behalf, how is it possible that they can rightfully do things that we cannot do ourselves?
How can an agent have more authority than his principal, from whence his authority came?
Posted by: Phinn at March 22, 2013 05:01 AM (oFH2D)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 08:51 AM (g7q64)
FS, I still go with the "Aaron Kosminski" theory that Paul Begg and Martin Fido came out with nearly 20 years ago. I think it's the one that fits the known facts as closely as it does. If you've ever read any of Colin Wilson's work on true crime (especially his "right man" theories), you'll see why I think the big name suspects like Dr. Gull or Walter Sickert are complete red herrings.
And I hope you enjoy the book!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 05:01 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Boone at March 22, 2013 08:53 AM (NF2rf)
This.Is.Awesome.
Posted by: red sweater at March 22, 2013 05:01 AM (oATMN)
Posted by: Mullaney at March 22, 2013 05:01 AM (s8XaI)
73 As a child, I'd spend hours at a time in front of a mirror banging my little shoe on the desk, screeching "We will bury you!".
Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (vbh31)
As a child, I spent hours kick your ass all over various athletic fields.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 05:02 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 22, 2013 05:04 AM (r2PLg)
The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state. #mythofownership
Isn't it wonderful how he can just fart out words like that as if he knows what the fuck he's talking about? Why, it's almost like he thinks he's a Big Boy with Big Ideas! As if he's not just parroting the terms and phrases of failed commies down through the centuries.
By the way, I'm sure early man -- let us say a "caveman" named Ugbuk -- would love to know that the wooden spear with the flint spearhead and the bone knife he made for himself to hunt and ward off predators WEREN'T REALLY HIS, since there was no "state" to speak of at the time and thus no such thing as property. If Muglug had tried to claim that bone knife as his own, Ugbuk would have stoved his head in with a rock, because fuck Muglug. "Ugbuk knife!"
And then he would have been soundly lectured by Yglesias for not being a good little Communist, at which point Ugbuk would have wholloped Matty over the head with a mammoth femur and used his corpse as bait to lure cave lions, because fuck Yglesias. "Ugbuk knife!"
Dear Yglesias,
Make no mistake: what happened in your mouth was redistribution.
Sincerely,
The HQ
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:05 AM (4df7R)
Pope cancels his own newspaper subscription.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 22, 2013 08:38 AM (NxuOr)
========
I wonder if the guy on the other end of that conversation tried to change the Pope's mind about canceling with free Sunday delivery or something like that:
"But really Your Holiness, we value your business and hate to lose you as a subscriber- would you consider..."
Posted by: Nighthawk at March 22, 2013 05:05 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: matty iglesias at March 22, 2013 05:05 AM (+PG07)
Posted by: maddogg at March 22, 2013 05:06 AM (OlN4e)
Oh yeah!?!?!?! Well.......well.....
......
Racist!
Posted by: Typical In-Need-of-Meds Leftard at March 22, 2013 05:06 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 05:06 AM (1V6Pv)
When someone is this dumb and in a manner to promote evil ideas in the weak of mind? I begrudge him every cent. And want to grant him his wish of living in his fantasy utopia, where he can be properly ground under foot.
Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2013 05:07 AM (kcfmt)
When I think back on how easy it would have been building and paying for my house if I had turned gay and married a guy instead of my wife, it seems unfair.
Sure, I may have had to suck a dick or two, but think of that extra income and all the money spent in decorating.
Matt may be an asshole, but he might be on to something here.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 05:08 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 05:08 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2013 05:08 AM (tySjn)
Because social justice and fairness, you guys.
Posted by: Stu-22 at March 22, 2013 05:08 AM (AiYlm)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:09 AM (FsUAO)
I want you all to imagine the following scene, and let it warm you through the rest of the day:
Matt Yglesias meeting Genghis Khan.
I leave it to y'all to embroider the details of how that encounter would play out.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:09 AM (4df7R)
Basic economics you dumb fuck.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 05:09 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 22, 2013 05:10 AM (OjQYm)
Thanks Jess, and Hobo. Reading through the information you've provided. Wubi looks interesting.
I'm hoping to find something with decent 64 bit, and multicore support. So much of the available Windows stuff is kind of dodgy/iffy on all that.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2013 05:10 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:10 AM (4OvDk)
This is a problem I run in to quite a bit with the lefties who flit through the real world:
Whenever some asinine bullshit like this flies past their teeth, I feel the wheels in my mind churning out epic mega-rants which I intend to use to slice, dice, julienne and generally take a massive shit upon their dumbassness.
Then I realize that there is nothing I can say, no data I can present, no fact I can prove that will change their minds even one millimeter.
So I say to myself, 'Fuck it,' and go about my day like it never happened.
Am I losing an opportunity to spread the truth or am I saving myself from smashing my skull into a stupidly immovable object? Anyone else run into this? How have you handled it, and what were the results?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 05:10 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)
Quickly and messily.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 05:10 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2013 05:11 AM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 05:11 AM (yCWX6)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 05:11 AM (g7q64)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:11 AM (4OvDk)
The thing about people like this....and I deal with them EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. in my office, is that if you point out the obvious, and quite legitimate objections to them, they are still clueless.
You could be sitting in a bar with Yglesias and say, "Matt, that was some serious bullshit you tweeted. You really believe that the State pre-dates the human conception of property? Really? C'mon, man." And he would just roll his eyes and look at you like you're some fucking simpleton. Like everything that springs from the fevered recesses of his mind is so glaringly self-evident that to deny it marks you as deluded at best and mentally ill at worst.
They literally cannot conceive of a world where people can civilly disagree with them on the merits, or lack thereof, of their arguments. They cannot conceive of a world where the answer may lie somewhere between what they believe and what their opponent believes.
.....
Which is why they must be terminated with extreme prejudice.
For the children.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 05:12 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:13 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 05:13 AM (I2LwF)
92
>>>>Sure, I may have had to suck a dick or two, but think of that extra income and all the money spent in decorating.
Another fucking rich cocksucker
Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at March 22, 2013 05:13 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: biancaneve at March 22, 2013 05:14 AM (6bYlh)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:56 AM (sbV1u)
Heh. I didn't even to click to remember that one! Genie in a bottle, baby!
Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 22, 2013 05:14 AM (UrENZ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:13 AM (4OvDk)
Okay, that made me laugh. Out loud. In my silent office.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 05:15 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 05:16 AM (g7q64)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 05:16 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at March 22, 2013 05:16 AM (+I8Mq)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 05:16 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (fwARV)
Personally I think a short, meaningful barb does a lot more good than a longwinded rant. Like the earlier commenter said, "So if there's no such thing as property, that means the indians weren't mistreated." BOOM. Short, sweet, to the point, and it forces a lefty to entertain for the moment the fact that he or she is advocating two conflicting points of view. None of them are smart enough to grasp this right off, but that's okay. All you do is say it, then walk away. Don't let them respond; just walk away. If you allow them the last word they'll think they've "won" and they'll never reflect on what you said. So just ignore their sputtering shouts of rage, turn your back and walk away.
And always remember: you're right, they're wrong.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:17 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:17 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 05:17 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 05:17 AM (gNVKv)
Posted by: Matt Yglesias at March 22, 2013 05:18 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 22, 2013 05:18 AM (/yS3m)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (yCWX6)
And yet so was I, but I managed to grow up into an intelligent conservative, whereas Matty grew up into an anti-intellectual dickbag communist.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:18 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 05:18 AM (g7q64)
104
Ace needs money?
Here's a thought.
How about the powers that be at AoSHQ put together a proposal of what it would cost to put together a seriously working website with all the bells and whistles. On top of that, toss in operating expenses for a year. Then, let's include a generous stipend for our talented host.
From that point, leave it to the award winning commentariat to figure out how to raise the money.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 05:19 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 05:19 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 05:19 AM (64rcm)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 05:20 AM (Sptt8)
Prayers to her family.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/9wbldop
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2013 05:21 AM (tySjn)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 05:22 AM (I2LwF)
Ditto. Ace would get a 4 figure contribution from me.
In spite of his bi-monthly shitting on most of what I believe in.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 05:22 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 09:20 AM (Sptt
True, very true. I invite the speaker to use whatever nomenclature they feel is best suited to the audience.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:23 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:23 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at March 22, 2013 05:24 AM (LJ2uj)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 05:24 AM (Sptt8)
Property is a modern, legal construct...I guess.
What the asshat doesn't understand is that possession is the underlying concept.
I have this rock/spear/haunch of meat/3bedroom condo. You can't take it from me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 05:24 AM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2013 05:24 AM (G9qZk)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:24 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: sven10077 at March 22, 2013 05:24 AM (zMNOn)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (OjQYm)
That's half of Twitter's customer base right there.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 05:25 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:25 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 05:25 AM (1V6Pv)
Does a person own his body?
Bodies and persons existed before the state.
This is what i'm thinking, too. Because if a person's body is not their own, then frankly it doesn't matter if you sell someone into slavery, rape them, murder them, eat them with a delicately flavored wine sauce, harvest their organs, or feed them to the dogs.
Oh, and it also means that "a woman's right to choose" isn't actually a right, because her body and everything inside it isn't her own. But if the state thinks she should have an abortion, then she'll have one whether she wants it or not.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:25 AM (4df7R)
To be fair, we like to shit on you too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 05:25 AM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (4OvDk)
*starts chanting* Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:26 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:26 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:26 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2013 05:26 AM (tOkJB)
"While I don't disagree at all with your assessment of the state of the blog, what format of commenting would be better? Other than obvious things like being able to post links easily, etc. "
I haven't heard anyone lobbying for a change of format. Leave everything just the way it is but working.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 05:26 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (4df7R)
124Okay, that made me laugh. Out loud. In my silent office.
You're welcome.Posted by:
AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (4OvDk)
God, I fucking love this place.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 05:26 AM (fwARV)
Some months ago a commenter here had a snake in her (his) home. There were a number of suggestions on dealing with it. Well as a safety warning if you have a snake in or around your home...
Do not set the snake on fire!
[link on handle]
Posted by: RioBravo at March 22, 2013 05:27 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 05:28 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (3Mkrp)
"Keep talking..."
-German coprophiliacs
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:28 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:19 AM (I2LwF)
Thats true Truman, but it is an invaluable chance to become one with your inner asshole. We're getting married.
Posted by: maddogg at March 22, 2013 05:28 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:28 AM (FsUAO)
Status of Matty: Douche
Status of the #@$%* temps here: Below zero again
Status of liver: Twitching slightly
Posted by: Muad'dib at March 22, 2013 05:29 AM (KjlbF)
You don't shit on my beliefs.
You just shit on me.
Big difference.
Then again, this criticism comes from the guy who puts rocket on pizzas. So I'm taking it with grain of salt...
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 05:29 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Pre and post dating everything. at March 22, 2013 05:29 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: zsasz at March 22, 2013 05:29 AM (MMC8r)
MRS. YGLESIAS: Poor dear. You should be close to your friends! Honey, buy him a condo in Logan Circle and we'll play Rich Man and His French Maid tonight.
MR. YGLESIAS: YES! Okay you sniveling little commie, here's the money for your outrageously expensive condo.
MATT YGLESIAS: Thanks mom and dad! Remember that the state predated concepts of private property, you capitalist pigs!
MRS. YGLESIAS: Yes dear.
Posted by: joncelli, who missed breakfast at March 22, 2013 05:29 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: massideas at March 22, 2013 05:30 AM (wPoi1)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:30 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:30 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 22, 2013 05:30 AM (LJ2uj)
Posted by: NYC Parent at March 22, 2013 05:30 AM (HEo6y)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Pre and post dating everything. at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (VtjlW)
I desperately want a gif of those gulls now that I can post to Matty's twitter feed.
Oh wait, it can't be his twitter feed, because property doesn't exist outside of the State.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 22, 2013 05:31 AM (Ud5vq)
In my extremely poorly thought-out comment, that's my point.
It's the word that's modern. The idea of possession is as old as the earth.
Just tell that to the lion protecting his kill from other lions and hyenas and democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 05:31 AM (3Mkrp)
I don't.
Threaded convos are a PITA. I like the scrum nature of this blog.
I just want better comment tools.
Oh, and it would be nice if Ace actually cleaned up all the links to dead blogs in the side bar......like he said he was going to do over a year ago.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 05:32 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: sven10077 at March 22, 2013 05:32 AM (zMNOn)
If property doesn't exist until a state exists, then I guess we don't owe the Native Americans a damn dime.
Except I guarantee you Yglesias would argue that the Sioux Nation or the Five Nations of the eastern tribes were actual "states," so pay up, paleface.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 05:33 AM (zF6Iw)
This is why people invented "ganging up on you," also known as "government."
If he'd said that once the state arises, property rights cease to exist (practically speaking), that would make sense. At the very least, it's a contention that means something.
But making sense and meaning things is not his job.
Posted by: oblig. at March 22, 2013 05:33 AM (cePv8)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:33 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:31 AM (3Mkrp)
Nancy Pelosi face deep in the soft underbelly of a dead gazelle.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at March 22, 2013 05:34 AM (1Tubq)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:34 AM (FsUAO)
I have a sneaking suspicion that when I am old and grey and reading AOSHQ in the reeducation camp, someone will give me shit about that arugula pizza.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 05:34 AM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 05:35 AM (gNVKv)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:35 AM (4OvDk)
And rightfully so.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 05:35 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (4OvDk)
You should get a blog for that.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 05:35 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:36 AM (FsUAO)
When the walls come down and everything unravels, the bright side is that we get to hunt these scum down for tar and feathers.
I call dibs on Matty.
Posted by: Fen at March 22, 2013 05:36 AM (a422o)
Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 05:36 AM (64rcm)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:37 AM (4OvDk)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 09:33 AM (zF6Iw)
Except that, as I understand it, tribal beliefs at the time were that no one could "own" the land. So all the settlers did was inhabit something that the indians had inhabited previously. They had to get rid of the indians to do it, but hey, if the natives didn't own the land, then they didn't have to defend it, now did they? They could have just walked away. "Oh look, other people. They want to live on that patch of ground, too? well, okay. It's not mine, so I can't stop them. I'll head west."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 22, 2013 05:37 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 22, 2013 05:37 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 05:37 AM (4OvDk)
Ace doesn't want to "sell out" EoJ. Professionalism is sooooo declasse.
What's baffling is that this is how he makes a living.
FFS, he doesn't have to turn into Glenn Reynolds. He just has to LET. US. HELP. HIM.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 05:37 AM (sbV1u)
"Not threads. Just a way to backtrack. Currently everyone has their own method of quoting, or referencing someone earlier in the thread. Right now you have to hope they included the person;s name, the posting time, the posting number, etc."
I get it. Not a "reply" button but a "reference" button. Something you can click on to following something back to the source.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 05:37 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: GeorgeOrwellsGhost at March 22, 2013 05:38 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:39 AM (FsUAO)
Well said.
I would include arrogance in that description.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 05:39 AM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 05:39 AM (1V6Pv)
"Directly or indirectly, your wealth is being redistributed to him"
For those who don't know, MattYG's dad passed away after a fairly lengthy career as a writer, and, more importantly, decades as a BigPharma Executive...
It's called "inheritance" or LSC.
Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 05:40 AM (lbiWb)
Keep on keepin' on, and thanks for the blog.
And as has been so eloquently said;
Barack Obama is a SCOAMF
Posted by: acethepug at March 22, 2013 05:40 AM (L49Y2)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:40 AM (FsUAO)
In the pre-broken days, you could copy-paste the comment number you were quoting and the link to that comment would be included.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 22, 2013 05:40 AM (/yS3m)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 22, 2013 05:40 AM (/b8+5)
(And Bill Gates is neck deep in all the crap that goes on in education today. )
Posted by: Dandolo at March 22, 2013 05:42 AM (+PG07)
Posted by: Disqus amongst yourselves at March 22, 2013 05:43 AM (QzWNc)
Posted by: Calvin's Dad at March 22, 2013 05:45 AM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Disqus amongst yourselves at March 22, 2013 09:43 AM (QzWNc)
Nope. They'll come over to the new site. It will just take a bit more work for the developer.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 05:45 AM (3Mkrp)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:45 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2013 05:46 AM (G9qZk)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at March 22, 2013 05:46 AM (1hM1d)
If Ace actually lives of of this thing, he needs to step it up a notch.
Althouse highlights a portion of purchases made the previous day through her website's Amazon account. Small shit, normally amounting to a buck or two to her. With dozens of sales per day, it adds up.
$50 in commissions per day is $1500 per month to the blog owner. That's enough to upgrade to a better brand of cat food, but it's one additional income stream.
I know you buy stuff through Ace's Amazon account now, but people like to see their shit highlighted. It's the "hey, that was me!" aspect of human interaction.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 05:46 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at March 22, 2013 05:49 AM (LJ2uj)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 05:50 AM (gNVKv)
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2013 05:50 AM (tOkJB)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 05:50 AM (FsUAO)
"When the walls come down and everything unravels, the bright side is that we get to hunt these scum down for tar and feathers. I call dibs on Matty."
Bright side? More like a re-edible peanut in a big pile of shit. Retribution is cold comfort when you realize it should have been done as a preventative measure long, long ago.
Posted by: Jaws at March 22, 2013 05:52 AM (4I3Uo)
Whatever the new website, let's make sure it's something that we pay for.
No freebees, no relatives or friends, no "we'll get to it as soon as we can because we have a paying job doing other shit" developers.
We've got a fairly large and well-heeled comments group and it can't be that expensive to do it right.
Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 05:52 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Disqus amongst yourselves at March 22, 2013 05:53 AM (zAcMD)
Posted by: gp at March 22, 2013 06:00 AM (+Jpqc)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (yCWX6)
And yet so was I, but I managed to grow up into an intelligent conservative, whereas Matty grew up into an anti-intellectual dickbag communist.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R)
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But Matt never got over it.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 06:03 AM (nWMhf)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 06:04 AM (nWMhf)
Posted by: Inevitable Gremlins at March 22, 2013 06:11 AM (2J4Qq)
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But is man a blunder of the state, or is the state a blunder of man???
Posted by: gastorgrab at March 22, 2013 06:13 AM (FX38i)
Mailing cash or a money order to a cob logger's P.O. box or something.
Buying $2000 on Amazon to put a tiny percentage into the ewok's paws seems an inefficient scheme.
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 22, 2013 06:14 AM (a5ljo)
There is a difference between possessing something, and having a legal title to something. The second requires a government, the first does not. The second is not permission to own--but a guarantee by the government that it will back up your property rights--your possession of something--with force if necessary.
But--and this is the important point that our uber-genius, with that expensive Ivy League advanced education in Snarkology he has, forgets--I am also able to use force in a state of nature to secure my possession of something. I can just apply force more efficiently with a government behind me. Thus, governments do not exist to give me access to something called "property" which I could not do without government, and certainly they do not exist to give me permission to have property, but they exist to better secure my possession of property, by providing me recourse to greater force than I could most likely muster by myself.
Thus, governments come about because it is a better deal than being by myself. And--here is an important point--if I could muster greater force to protect my property than the government, then, historically, I become the government.
And of course, I could then take your property.
Property thus exists prior to the existence of the state, because I could be the first government in an area (say, after the monolith taught me how to use the jawbone of an ass), and take away the water hole you had--but it existed as yours before I established dominion and started saying things I called "laws".
What the state determines is who gets to keep property, via dint of greater force. Not whether or not something called property exists. Since force exists in a state of nature, so will property.
Posted by: C. at March 22, 2013 06:14 AM (2lMCK)
"it makes him more despicable, not less."
And more in common w/any number of LSC leftists/useful idiots.
Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 06:17 AM (lbiWb)
But where I'm going with this is that land title in Pennsylvania is a historical artifact, and was established and mediated by the sovereignty of a state at every point in the process. There is no real estate property derived from natural law in the world as experienced. Where natural law theory and common law practice come into effect is what happens after the new-minted land property is transferred from the state to the individual, and that's where Yglesias shits the bed. Just because the power of the state created the fact of the estate, it does not follow that the authority of the state can unmake the estate at whim. For one thing, real estate is the beginning of property, not the end of it. For another, there are many striking and practical reasons why property, once created by the state, cannot be simply extinguished by the state. Ask the Indian states, whose lack of solid private property law put them at a fatal disadvantage versus the European settler states.
Posted by: Mitch H. at March 22, 2013 06:45 AM (jwKxK)
Posted by: arminius at March 22, 2013 06:50 AM (cDnhR)
Posted by: Trump at March 22, 2013 06:53 AM (F8Lnm)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 22, 2013 07:12 AM (QTHTd)
LIB.
Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2013 07:12 AM (A5uiv)
So: property as established by feudal claim and medieval city charters. Both have their origin in monarchical authority, and although that authority was at a very low ebb in the 1580s, it still was the head and source of all property of note in France. The state had well-neigh liquidated at this time, and it still was the sole source of property right - as opposed to open banditry, which also was a quite real element in possession in such conditions - available. Q.E.D., the state is the sole differentiation between mere possession and ownership, between a burgher and a bandit.
Posted by: Mitch H. at March 22, 2013 07:13 AM (jwKxK)
Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2013 07:19 AM (A5uiv)
Hey, we know some guys who know some guys. Send the cash to us!
Posted by: Mitt's campaign staff at March 22, 2013 07:21 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: wte9 at March 22, 2013 07:28 AM (ZL7LA)
Posted by: Mitch H. at March 22, 2013 07:37 AM (jwKxK)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 22, 2013 07:56 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Andy Freeman at March 22, 2013 08:21 AM (D3hdq)
I hope ace uses the money on drones to catch Matty fapping
Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2013 08:22 AM (mCvL4)
Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 22, 2013 08:24 AM (HEa5q)
Mat's Twitter cover: "Have blog, will travel. Cover economics for Slate."
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Covering economics for Slate? That's like covering college basketball for Food Network.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 08:28 AM (n8LUb)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 22, 2013 08:30 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: mellow at March 22, 2013 08:45 AM (BNT0Y)
There's a loophole in our contract in case the state becomes the villains trying to take our lives, privacy, freedom and property.
I had to study this stuff and pass a test to get in.
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