June 14, 2013
— Ace And why the stealth?
Head to the link for evidence of her firing (including the word from a source). Here's why she might have been fired:
As the director of Rulings and Agreements, Paz served as the first line of management in Washington, D.C., that oversaw both the tax-law specialists who provided guidance to agents in Cincinnati reviewing tea-party applications and the Determinations Unit in Cincinnati charged with processing those applications. Paz has served in that position since January 2011, reporting directly to Lois Lerner, with the exception of a four-month period between October 2011 and January 2012 when she reportedly was on maternity leave. Lerner, the director of the IRSÂ’s Exempt Organizations division was on May 23 placed on paid leave.Paz became the subject of controversy when, in an interview with the House Oversight Committee, she revealed that she participated in an IRS internal investigation about the agencyÂ’s discrimination against tea-party groups and was aware of its findings, which emerged a year before the inspector generalÂ’s report and reached similar conclusions. Paz, however, did not notify Congress of those findings.
Lawmakers have also raised eyebrows at the fact that Paz was present when members of the inspector general’s team interviewed her subordinates during the course of their investigation. In a May 23 Oversight Committee hearing, chairman Darrell Issa expressed his astonishment, saying he was “shocked” to find that Paz “participated in virtually every one of the interrogations or interviews with her own subordinates.” He added: ”In those, of course, one of the questions the IG had to ask was, ‘Did anyone tell you to do this?’ If that question was asked, their own superior was in the room.”
But all of the other malefactors involved were permitted to resign with full benefits or were put on administrative leave with full pay. Why the firing here?
Perhaps because she talked too much.
Just yesterday the committee interviewed Holly Paz, the director of exempt organizations, rulings and agreements, division of the IRS,' Issa said. 'While a tremendous amount of attention is centered about the Inspector General's report, or investigation, the committee has learned from Ms. Paz that she in fact participated in an IRS internal investigation that concluded in May of 2012 - May 3 of 2012 - and found essentially the same thing that Mr. George found more than a year later.'
That is, she wasn't just guilty, she was guilty and talking. And it's the last that's the real sin.
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Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 14, 2013 07:59 AM (HfyFm)
Posted by: wooga at June 14, 2013 08:01 AM (OZJKM)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 14, 2013 08:01 AM (HfyFm)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 14, 2013 08:02 AM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 14, 2013 08:03 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2013 08:04 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: backhoe™ at June 14, 2013 08:06 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 14, 2013 08:06 AM (4Mv1T)
Hah!
Try 'taking a new position with one of a thousand consulting companies that have grafted themselves to the body politic only to be hired in another administration or arm of the government.'
A bit long, yes, but the Octopus will not be denied.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 14, 2013 08:06 AM (SX6wc)
Posted by: EC at June 14, 2013 08:06 AM (GQ8sn)
In a sane world this would be laughed away immediately but this is Obama's world and he own's the outrage machine otherwise known as the MSM.
Posted by: H Badger at June 14, 2013 08:06 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: notachanceinhell at June 14, 2013 08:06 AM (jJA/4)
Posted by: zsasz at June 14, 2013 08:06 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 14, 2013 12:06 PM (4Mv1T)
Hmm, I used to do animal research on mice, so maybe I should be looking at the IRS as my next job...
Posted by: tsrblke at June 14, 2013 08:07 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 14, 2013 08:07 AM (aDwsi)
If she talked and becomes an issue, she will soon be personally destroyed. Its the age we live in.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 14, 2013 08:07 AM (g5YAm)
Posted by: MSNBC at June 14, 2013 08:08 AM (Wd1Zo)
Here's the thing: I have no doubt that Obammy's regime would see fit to fire someone for "talking too much." They've done it before.
But if that's the case, why would they do so stealthily? You KNOW the regime wants this criminal enterprise to disappear, and how do you do that? You find a scapegoat. Well, this Paz woman -- being so closely linked to Lerner -- would seem to be the ideal candidate. If you're going to fire her, why not say, "We've fired Ms. Paz due to her lack of sufficient oversight, which permitted the rogue actions of the employees under her supervision to continue." It's bullshit, but it's bullshit that the media would drink up and the LIVs would accept without question.
If they felt safe enough to fire her at all, then it means that either she doesn't know where the bodies are buried and therefore isn't a threat -- in which case, why fire her? -- or they made it worth her while to take the hit on her professional record. If she was on maternity leave that means she's a new mother. Maybe they gave her a windfall sendoff and promises of quality personal recommendations to future employers, in exchange for her leaving public service and spending time at home with her family (really) until this blows over.
Provided she IS fired.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 14, 2013 08:08 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tsrblke at June 14, 2013 12:07 PM (GaqMa)
Animal research? So thats what you're calling it?
Posted by: The Chicken at June 14, 2013 08:08 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Holly Paz at June 14, 2013 08:09 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Jukin at June 14, 2013 08:10 AM (WGm5T)
Um...
http://tinyurl.com/kty7xy6
"Drone shot out of sky over Turkish protests by police" ?
Posted by: RiverC at June 14, 2013 08:11 AM (El+h4)
Posted by: Waffle House at June 14, 2013 08:11 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 14, 2013 08:11 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: E-Machines at June 14, 2013 08:11 AM (+aCe4)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 14, 2013 08:12 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Jukin
Tribe and patron. If both are aligned, nope.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 14, 2013 08:13 AM (SX6wc)
Posted by: OFA at June 14, 2013 08:13 AM (El+h4)
What was her reasoning? I am confused.
What is the non-paranoid (NSA has dirt on her) explanation for her seeming radical change?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
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Estrogen?
We are livid whatever the reason.
Posted by: E-Machines at June 14, 2013 08:13 AM (+aCe4)
We don't know.
However, if you publicly fire someone who's been talking, they could respond by talking much more- naming names under oath.
That's not as likely if you quietly make them go away, perhaps setting them up with a nice severance package, early pension, and a cushy high paying job with a campaign contributor on the condition that they STFU.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 14, 2013 08:13 AM (SY2Kh)
And if said employee does start talking there are laws about that too. So shut up.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 14, 2013 08:15 AM (tl3Na)
Holly Paz sounds like a porn star name.
Holly Paz starring in the Hump Humphrey production of "Double Entendre". Featuring Spork Morkelson, and Won Lon Dong, in a modern 3D adaptation of the Adult Classic, "Dial F for Felching".
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 14, 2013 08:15 AM (0IhFx)
What was her reasoning? I am confused. What is the non-paranoid (NSA has dirt on her) explanation for her seeming radical change?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
I would like to know if the the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS had a similar episode?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 14, 2013 08:16 AM (HfyFm)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 14, 2013 08:16 AM (P7hip)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 14, 2013 08:17 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: wooga at June 14, 2013 08:17 AM (OZJKM)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 14, 2013 08:17 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: RWC at June 14, 2013 08:18 AM (eP0ww)
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Recall:"Worried about interviews Mr. Chaffetz wanted to conduct with its personnel, the State Department insisted that a lawyer be present during any conversations."
In other words..., handlers were present.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 14, 2013 08:18 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 14, 2013 08:18 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: polynikes
Judging from her bureaucratic, overlord behavior I would say she was a penis holster for the IG.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 14, 2013 08:19 AM (HfyFm)
Sticky Wicket put a lot of Thought into that.
Actually I just read most of that verbatim off the back of an...uhhhh....well, never mind.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 14, 2013 08:19 AM (0IhFx)
Can anybody explain why Gov. Brewer in AZ rammed through Obamacare over Repub objections and even though she's been a ballsy in your face opponent of Obama for years? What was her reasoning? I am confused. What is the non-paranoid (NSA has dirt on her) explanation for her seeming radical change?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
She pushed through only one part of Obamacare. The one I assume and give the benefit of the doubt , she thought would hurt her State financially if it was approved.
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2013 08:20 AM (m2CN7)
I guess this was a red-line too far.
Posted by: Fritz at June 14, 2013 08:20 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 14, 2013 08:20 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 14, 2013 12:17 PM (XYSwB)
And diversity used to be just a word meaning:
1. the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness: diversity of opinion. 2. variety; multiformity. 3. a point of difference.Now it is damn religion that must be celebrated every minute of the corporate day...complete with required catechism courseware and Chief Diversity Officers.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 14, 2013 08:20 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2013 08:20 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 14, 2013 08:21 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2013 08:21 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: d_fitz at June 14, 2013 08:21 AM (QwM7d)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 14, 2013 08:22 AM (ZPrif)
Ace, you have to do something with the article at Politico:
Megan McCain: Dad John McCain a 'ballsy sailor'.
Best comment so far: I'm shuffling through my belongings to find my old castration knife.
Posted by: joanne at June 14, 2013 08:22 AM (Cjcon)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 14, 2013 12:20 PM (da5Wo)
When you are looking for someone to man the gas chambers and ovens, you look for a soulless drone who is also a true believer. You then give them a shiny set of toys--big office, expense account, fat pension and tell them what a special little snowflake they are. You do not have to be a rocket surgeon to find these drones and put them in place.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 14, 2013 08:23 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 14, 2013 08:23 AM (ZPrif)
This is actually related both to this thread and the previous one.
I was listening to Hannity earlier this week when he was talking to one of the lawyers who's filed suit against the IRS on behalf of conservative groups targeted by that organization. One group, he mentioned, had been told to provide the IRS with a "temporary" username and password that would allow the IRS to access the organization's website as an administrator. This means that any activity, current and historical, made via that website -- including privileged communication with legal counsel -- would have been accessible by the IRS. The conservative organization said no.
Now tie this to Sharyl Attkisson's computer hack. I must assume, as an investigative reporter, that she has had a number of interactions with CBS's legal counsel. "What is the liability if I do this?" or "What are the legal applications if I publish this?"
Quite apart from the hacking itself, in both the press surveillance and IRS scandals, the potential for misuse of confidential, privileged attorney/client communications is HUGE.
I don't know if I'm trying to get at a point here or not. I'm just reminded of how much the Chicago machine enjoys destroying opponents with personal attacks based on sensitive legal information. Sealed divorce documents anyone?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 14, 2013 08:24 AM (4df7R)
Dems fighting Cornyn's amendment to bar illegals with DUI convictions from being legalized.
My amendment would be that if an illegal who was granted legalization was subsequently found to be operating a motor vehicle without insurance, Legalization would be revoked.
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2013 08:24 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 14, 2013 12:23 PM (ZPrif)
Life is cheap, and its apt to get cheaper......
Posted by: Blue Duck at June 14, 2013 08:25 AM (OlN4e)
Same reasons as always- money and politics.
The next Republican nominee for Governor would be facing a campaign against a Dem opponent attacking Brewer (and AZ Republicans by association) for turning down (temporary) federal Medicaid funding. They'd be portrayed as stooges of the "EXXtreme Right Wing" who put partisan politics above the needs of their state.
Was it the right thing to do in the long term? No, but politicians aren't known for considering long term consequences.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 14, 2013 08:25 AM (SY2Kh)
Now she can be characterized and marginalized as a "disgruntled former employee".
Posted by: DamnCat at June 14, 2013 08:25 AM (TBN/J)
Posted by: zsasz at June 14, 2013 08:25 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: AE at June 14, 2013 08:26 AM (NxeQR)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 14, 2013 08:27 AM (ndlFj)
Posted by: zsasz at June 14, 2013 08:27 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 14, 2013 12:23 PM (ZPrif)
They also work drunk. At the Quick Trip by my house, they are in there every lunch hour buying a six pack of cold beer to drink at lunch. After work, they are back for the evening's twelve or twenty-four pack. It is only 3.2 beer, which is all that can be sold cold, but, enough of it will make you drunk, especially if you are 5' 2" and weigh 120 pounds. For some reason, I never see them in the liquor stores--I think the ones by my house do not welcome them. I think the ones in their neighborhood probably do a booming business..
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 14, 2013 08:28 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: YIKES! at June 14, 2013 08:28 AM (mETGQ)
Posted by: zsasz at June 14, 2013 12:27 PM (MMC8r)
That's why Dems don't want Cornyn's amendment to go through. It would mean applying our laws to illegals, and we just can't have that!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 14, 2013 08:28 AM (4df7R)
I have quite a few friend that live in Mexico. Trust me, they do NOT drive drunk. It's time in the slammer before you go to court. And a pretty large fine, not to mention the mordida that is sprinkled around during the process of convicting you. Only the cartels and the politicians (BIRM) get off.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 14, 2013 08:29 AM (HfyFm)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 14, 2013 08:29 AM (X4HxX)
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2013 08:29 AM (OlN4e)
1 Gyros Sandwich - no tomatoes, extra sauce
1 Pizza Puff
1 Large Cheese Fries
That outta do it!
Posted by: Chris M at June 14, 2013 08:29 AM (k3w9p)
Which would be cool."
I think you have her confused with the Skittle-dispensing Unicorns we promised. They don't dispense from that end of the body, however. Good news on that front. They will be available during The One's third term.
Posted by: O'Bumble's Team at June 14, 2013 08:30 AM (ndlFj)
Posted by: joe at June 14, 2013 08:31 AM (nyWIC)
Posted by: Alittleenglish at June 14, 2013 08:32 AM (c+2hn)
Posted by: we must import millions of illiterate pesants at June 14, 2013 08:33 AM (/EkKm)
In Mexico...they do it here in America all the time. I have seen them sit in their POS trucks, eat their lunches, and drink the damn beer in my neighborhood. They then drive the truck onto the next lawn that needs mowing. I have no problem with someone enjoying 1 cold Corona with their tacos...I do have a problem with them drinking a six pack.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 14, 2013 08:33 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 14, 2013 08:36 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: steevy at June 14, 2013 08:38 AM (mUSYR)
Posted by: Golfman In NC at June 14, 2013 08:39 AM (ZjVkA)
Posted by: maddogg at June 14, 2013 12:29 PM (OlN4e)
Isn't it so nice that we have someone that advocates not treating cancer patients and just letting them die here. Always good to be reminded what disgusting monsters exist in the world.
Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2013 08:41 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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So they come here and do it. Lovely.
Maybe they think they will be able to disapear back to Mexico if they get caught.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at June 14, 2013 08:42 AM (+aCe4)
I would speculate that most (most) of the drunk lawn engineers eating tacos and drinking Coronas, gathering at Home Depot to pester folks for work are not Mexican but are from countries further south fleeing the shitholes they have become due to corruption and gang violence. Mexico treats those who cross their borders like shit, robbing, raping and killing quite a few as they attempt to migrate to el Estados Unidos. The main impetus for that migration is to get away from fine upstanding socialist and Marxist governments that have been inplace since the Aztecs, the Mayans and the Olmecs decided that it was better to let those pesky illegal immigrant Spaniards have amnesty.
On the serious side though, I agree with the gist of what you're saying. There's a discernable lack of accountability in the Congress, in the body politic and it has metastiszed to the local level.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 14, 2013 08:48 AM (HfyFm)
Posted by: O'Bumble's Team
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That is a blatant lie. In point of fact, the unicorn anuses are plumbed to a collection system. The exhaust gases are used to fire clean energy electrical generation plants, while the solids are composted for use in Mrs. Obamas garden. It is a win-win situation. While it is true that unicorns are currently very expensive, we have been assured by Sec. Chu that economies of scale will soon bring that cost down. In the interim, certain Government subsidies may be necessary. There is also the fact that corn (feed) prices have, for some inexplicable reason, soared. The current plan is to to provide certain Government subsidies to compensate for feed cost. So far, those subsidies seem inadequate, as the the feed costs seem to rise in direct proportion to the subsidies. We have our very best people trying to solve this problem..., but it would appear that obvious solution is a larger subsidy.
Posted by: Dept. of Energy at June 14, 2013 08:58 AM (aDwsi)
If she talked and becomes an issue, she will soon be personally destroyed. Its the age we live in.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class="MsoNormal">She will have no credibility because she's now a 'disgruntled ex-employee'. See how it works? She must have lots to say and unwilling to keep quiet. Note to self--Get popcorn.Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 14, 2013 09:52 AM (VLifP)
Posted by: John Smyth at June 14, 2013 10:59 AM (KmXvd)
Obamam loyalists are rewarded with promotions and/or paid vacations ("administrative leave").
Obviously, Ms. Paz is not a team player.
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