1 >>>A new study by Third Way "Third way" means anal.

2 Constant, unremitting, *unpunished* lies. Or rather, everyone but the liar gets punished, sooner or later. Which is part of why life is a constant struggle to avoid slavery or theft, because someone is always trying to force you into service for them or take your stuff, and there's nothing to stop them unless they're catastrophically stupid and try to do it without getting elected first. Whole gorram thing stinks.

3 Jeff Bezos net worth 08-05-2013, 4pm - $23.2 billion Jeff Bezos net worth 08-05-2013, 5pm - $22.9 billion Easy come easy go

4 Maybe the author of the article will be the first one fired now that the WaPo has been sold.  Yeah, probably not. 

5 My reaction is a loud and emphatic meh.  They don't really care about this.  This is intended as a distraction from the big Kahunas: Obama scandals and immigration.  Homie don't play that.

6 Jeff Bezos net worth 08-05-2013, 5pm - $22.9 billion
Easy come easy go

Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2013 04:50 PM (Z9EHQ)

I wonder if Apple will get most favored platform coverage from the WaPo now?  Front page stories on price fixing might abound going forward.

7 You can't even get through the first paragraph of the piece of crap WaPo Amazon piece fixt

8 The more of these stories I see, the more firearms I want to buy, just to prove the authors wrong...

9 Plus some states require that any private sales be face-to-face. So really the only internet aspect of the sale is advertising on a web site and maybe email.

10 Of course they want confiscation and control...if we still have guns, it is going to be damned hard to get us into the camps.

11 **Drool**

**Hic-UP**

**Drool**

12 The government that spies on you and lies to you about it has lost the right to be trusted with information like this. I disapprove of universal background checks because the "gatekeepers" are not trustworthy.

13 meh, guy is not gonna fave a job by the time bezos gets done with the place, unless he is rolling papers or packing books.

14 Speaking of deadly assaults, cases of Sudden Trayvon Syndrome? - Venice Beach hit and run attack - Black man murders a father in front of his family in a Joliet, IL restaurant (expect this story to go away quickly) I note both murder victims were of Italian extraction, which is of course totally cool with the MFM/Hollyroofie crowd because we're all mafia.

15 3 Jeff Bezos net worth 08-05-2013, 4pm - $23.2 billion Jeff Bezos net worth 08-05-2013, 5pm - $22.9 billion Easy come easy go Honestly, how much is the WaPo real estate worth? As somebody pointed out in the last thread, now Amazon doesn't have to do any more lobbying.

16 Wow, I didn't know Bezos' ego was in such dire need of stroking.  WaPo will now be even more of a vanity press than in the past.  I guess the stinking rich no longer buy sports franchises.   They'd rather be "opinion makers".

17 By the way, we should repeal the N.F.A. of 1934. It is unconstitutional.

18 Isn't the "third way" Fascism?

19 Third Way...Is that like No Labels or Coffee Party?

20 That's some funny shit.  In NY, your internet gun purchase has to go through an FFL but AFAIK they will only accept shipment of said firearm from an FFL in the seller's state.  I don't know if this a legal requirement in NY, a bit of CYAism on the part of the FFL, or an effort on the part of retailer to discourage competition from GunBroker (&etc) by making transactions more expensive and inconvenient.

Wouldn't be surprised if many FFLs are onboard with this crap.

21 hird Way...Is that like No Labels or Coffee Party?

I'm pretty sure it means involuntary anal.

22 meh, guy is not gonna fave a job by the time bezos gets done with the place, unless he is rolling papers or packing books.

Posted by: yankeefifth at August 05, 2013 04:54 PM (Z9EHQ)

I wish the Koch brothers would just go ahead and write a check for the remaining papers on the block.  Fire everyone and let the fun begin--pay only for well researched and sourced stories and pay enormous bonuses for scoops.  When 95-98% of all the journalists are unemployed, including the high dollar hacks who have been resting on their imaginary laurels for decades, then print news could get interesting again.

23 A new study by Third Way "Third way" means anal. Posted by: wooga at August 05, 2013 04:50 PM (qAONj) That is an EPIC first in post. Well played.

24 Why, yes, yes, it is.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/Fascism.html

In economics, fascism was seen as a third way between laissez-faire capitalism and communism. Fascist thought acknowledged the roles of private property and the profit motive as legitimate incentives for productivity—provided that they did not conflict with the interests of the state.

Hrm.

25 They have received marching orders from Obama who intends to push this crap again.

26 Dang, I gotta read the comments more carefully, starting with #1.

27 bezos is probably a moron - and not in the positive sense. smarter and better people than he -sam zell and zuckerman for two, have made a play in the media and learned it is not as easy as it appears. I do not think the wapo real estate is as valuable as the latimes real estate / assets zell got in his purchase.

28 n economics, fascism was seen as a third way between
laissez-faire capitalism and communism.

That's where the centrist label comes into play.  See, it's right there in the middle.

29 Freakin' Bezos. But let the Koch Brothers buy a weekly Pennysaver rag and It's The End Of Free Speech.

30 A new study by Third Way -- "Third way" means anal. 'Taint no big deal.

31 Confiscation of firearms would be sweeeeeet.

32 WaPo subtext:  Ban Craigslist and bring back newspaper classified ads printed on dead trees.  It's for the children! 

33 27 bezos is probably a moron - and not in the positive sense Who knows, he spend millions dragging up a 40 year used rocket. Probably money better spent that this purchase.

34 But, what about The Children?

35 Just bought two AR15 lowers before the Maryland ban hits. I want lib heads to explode.

36 They. Will. Never. Give. Up. Never. All the various pots will keep getting stirred forever. Guns. Abortion. Gay. Tranny. Wymyns everything. Race. Vote. All of it. Wall to wall. The goal is to create a 1984 scene where the big flatscreen, soon to be brought to you by Team Obama, just like cellphones, is awash it the narrative 24/7, and the narrative is that THOSE FUCKING CRAZIES NEED TO BE STOPPED.

37 Isn't the "third way" Fascism?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 05, 2013 04:56 PM (/kI1Q)

-

The third way is  a method to get to    communism without having to go through democracy or socialism first.

38 But, what about The Children?

***

And the middle class?

39 They call this Masculine Moments on youtube, I think it should be Moron Moments.

Presented as a palate cleanser...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvlQYi5LoYM&feature=youtu.be

40 They. Will. Never. Give. Up.


Never.   Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 05, 2013 05:04 PM (PH+2B)

Why would they give up?  They keep winning.

41 well, the way obama is running things I am surprised it was bezos and not alqaeda buying wapo.

42 It's sad to read the comments over there.  All those people, even those who are against further restrictions, are confused about what acts require a background check.

So many commenters agreeing that background checks should be done. 

43 37 Isn't the "third way" Fascism? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 05, 2013 04:56 PM (/kI1Q) - The third way is a method to get to communism without having to go through democracy or socialism first. --- Robert Heinlein's The Puppet Masters, in which there was a battle between free humans and humans controlled by slug-like organisms, had a Tertium Quo / Third Way organization. They were a group of free humans who tried to negotiate with the organisms. They were never seen again but DID broadcast a message to the effect of "Come on in, the water's fine!"

44 Off off damned sock

45 They. Will. Never. Give. Up. Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 05, 2013 05:04 PM (PH+2B) And there is no rest, you have to fight constantly just to protect yourself from people who CANNOT keep their stupid fat grubbies off you. If you think you can hide you can't. If you think you can run away you can't. If you think you can prevent it - you can't. You have to fight *forever*, and forget the other things you wanted to do with your life, because of power-mad, greedy cockbites.

46 Why would they give up? They keep winning. One day, they will reach too far, and they'll start loosing. And when they do, it won't be a game. It'll be for all of the marbles.

47 Was Jeff Bezos at Selma?

48 I don't think you can use centrist and obama in the same sentence...

49 The safe search "off" on Leathers is quite Bea Arthur'esque.

50 The left routinely gets the vapors about firearms because the left wouldn't know which end of the firearm means business, and because the right does. Simple as that.


Hell, even gang-bangers can't figure out how to hold a handgun, and they do it for a living.


But my daddy taught me how when I was six, and I am smart enough to remember all by myself.

51 And for those of us who live in rural areas and purchase used high end firearms, the internet is your only resource to be able to compare prices and find less common items.... letting you go to the market rather than hoping for the market to make it's way to you.

52 One day, they will reach too far, and they'll start loosing. And when they do, it won't be a game. It'll be for all of the marbles. Posted by: rickb223 at August 05, 2013 05:08 PM (xorT2) It. Never. Ends. There are breaks in the action, but people who will not lay the eff off will always be with us. The only thing you ever get is far enough ahead for a few years to forget that you always have to fight.

53 49 The safe search "off" on Leathers is quite Bea Arthur'esque. --- Bea Arthur? OUTSTANDING!

54 One day, they will reach too far, and they'll start loosing. And when they do, it won't be a game. It'll be for all of the marbles.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 05, 2013 05:08 PM (xorT2)

I hope so, but, I do not expect to see it in my lifetime. 

55 So many commenters agreeing that background checks should be done.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 05, 2013 05:06 PM (WhJf

Until it's their own backs that are being checked.

56

I  admit  I  don't like internet transactions of firearms within a state without a background check.   But because these dickwads will take a mile if you give them an inch,  I reluctantly will not advocate to change that at this time. 

 

I'm hoping that the seller will be prudent in who he sells to. 

57 I love how the Grahams give themselves a pat on the back for their stewardship of WaPo.  There is scarcely a mention of the fact that they took one of the country's top papers, and turned it into Charmin.  Suck it, each and every one of you entitled little twits. 

I wonder what Lally Weymouth will do now to justify her use of oxygen.  It must be tough to go from being an "opinion-maker" to just another trust fund whore.

58 The gun controllers want me dead. Hey, that's the practical implications of their positions.

59 Just put a Johnsonville Bratwurst Cheddar Griller (basically a sausage burger, but a very tasty one) on the grill. Promptly realized the only burger rolls in the house are stale/dotted green. I will eat the pattie bare back, with a cottage cheese side dish. Making the best of a dire sitch.

60 One thing that MUST be remembered, to a Democrat a "Loophole" is anything in a law that the Democrats currently do not like.


Recent examples are legitimate advertising expenses deducted from gross profits and the ever present buisness expense of drilling for oil and coming up with a dry hole deducted as a buisness expense.


But writing off $5,000 as a damn CREDIT is not a loophole.

61 - Venice Beach hit and run attack Is the suspect black? Interestingly enough, I can't find any mugshots, which makes me suspect the media isn't anxious to publicize him.

62 3rd burned corpse found in Detroit. Ban online sales. Or something.

63 Hell, even gang-bangers can't figure out how to hold a handgun, and they do it for a living. --- They put the sights on top for a reason.

64 Haven't heard anyone advocating background checks for the sales of screwdrivers over the internet, but one is a tool just like the other, the use of which can cause great bodily harm and possibly death.


Vapors, all of it.

65 47 Was Jeff Bezos at Selma?
I believe he was in Peruvia that week.

@56
Agreed.

66 59 Posted by: Lincolntf at August 05, 2013 05:13 PM (ZshNr)


make some biscuits.

67 61 Is the suspect black? Interestingly enough, I can't find any mugshots, which makes me suspect the media isn't anxious to publicize him.

Posted by: zsasz at August 05, 2013 05:14 PM (MMC8r)

I have posted this twice, he was a blond yoot.

68 Bezos paid $250B for WaPo? That's about $300B too much.

69 The thing that none of these gun-grabbing cocksuckers will never publish is that almost all of the private sales are done between people who know each other well in the first place.  And for those private sales that are not, there is usually some other sort of vetting.  On the outdoor/gun boards that read here in GA, the vast majority of folks advertising for a private sale stipulate that they will only sell face-to-face to a Georgia Weapons License holder (GWL is our version of CCL/CCP).

70 Bezos paid $250B for WaPo?

$250M, not B

71 I got your Internet gun right here.

72 Bezos is rich enough that he doesn't care if WaPo is a neverending money drain. 

73 No time for biscuits. I'm a backyard griller, not a biscuit surgeon. Seriously, the sausage would be cold and dead before I even assembled the ingredients. Done in 4 minutes.

74 70 Bezos paid $250B for WaPo? $250M, not B --- Paying more than $2.50 is a ripoff. Hell, someone only paid $1 for Newsweek.

75 No time for biscuits. I'm a backyard griller, not a biscuit surgeon. Seriously, the sausage would be cold and dead before I even assembled the ingredients. Done in 4 minutes.

Just tell yourself you're on an Adkins diet.

76 Posted by: Frank Castle at August 05, 2013 05:14 PM (/Crba)

That problem's been fixed: https://tinyurl.com/2xd3mq

77 pep@70,

Whoa! Clearly a typo. A Peruvian-made, knock-off keyboard made me do it.

78 They do not give up because it is their religion to decide how everyone else should think and live.  That is why they hate Christianity so much--it is a competing religion.  They wisely leave Islam alone, because those nutz will cut a bitch.

Remember when gays just wanted to come out of the shadows and not be hated.  Check, that was reasonable, so it came to be.  Then it was out and proud.  Check, that was pushy and strange, but nothing to fight, so it came to be.  Then they wanted their partners to get health insurance and so forth.  Check, expensive, but, what the hell--if they want to pay the family rate--OK, so it came to be.  Well, then it was I want to marry my partner.  Check, no one wanted it, but, no one wanted to be the one to say no, so it came to be.  Now, it's "I insist that everyone celebrate my marriage to my partner--if they do not want to let me use their church or they refuse to bake my cake or they do not want to arrange my flowers--that's discrimination and I will damn well sue and I will win".

All the way out of the shadows and acting like bullies in what 20-30 years.

79 Paying more than $2.50 is a ripoff. Hell, someone only paid $1 for Newsweek.

According to the article in WaPo (the only one I'll read), Bezos doesn't even get the HQ building nor many of the WaPo properties.  The Grahams are loathsome and unethical, but they apparently have some smarts.  Or at least smart lawyers.  Yeah, eat it, AmishDude.

80 I believe they need to set up, if not already done,  a hotline where the in state personal seller can do a background check  for a very small charge if any charge at all.   I don't think that is much of a burden and it would give the seller a peace  of mind.  

81 The gun controllers want me dead. Hey, that's the practical implications of their positions. Posted by: alexthechick - Welcome mighty SMODlets! at August 05, 2013 05:13 PM (VtjlW) That's the consequence, but the control freaks have never been very good at cause vs. consequence. I believe most of them genuinely want roughly what they claim - they just insist that the solution is the one that has never ever worked, because dammit they want it really bad this time, and the universe will suddenly respond differently because potato. Basically a substantial percentage of people have pockets of insanity in their life that are kind of like bad prions - they infect society and do damage and there doesn't seem to be any way to prevent it or cure the disease. Some days it's like the Songun Blog writ large.

82 OT: who really wants to see Sydney Leathers rubbing one out?

83 Posted by: pep at August 05, 2013 05:21 PM (6TB1Z)

I do!

84 The gun controllers want me dead. Hey, that's the practical implications of their positions.

Posted by: alexthechick - Welcome mighty SMODlets! at August 05, 2013 05:13 PM (VtjlW)

Yes, it was such a pity that the Ravage destroyed your firearms in the Great Snit of 2012.

Just like it was simply awful that the cleaning lady stole mine.  (She really did steal one).

85 That is an EPIC first in post. Well played. As the saying goes, when you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before. And by "end zone" -- I also mean anal.

86 83 Posted by: pep at August 05, 2013 05:21 PM (6TB1Z)

I do!
Posted by: Billy Jeff C.

Well, when your alternative is Hillary.....

87 I've bought 3 firearms in the past two months. I had zero before. Thanks Maryland for getting me off my butt to buy scary black rifles before they are banned!

88 According to the article in WaPo (the only one I'll read), Bezos doesn't even get the HQ building nor many of the WaPo properties. The Grahams are loathsome and unethical, but they apparently have some smarts. Or at least smart lawyers. Yeah, eat it, AmishDude. You do understand that you are praising deceit and a lack of ethics, don't you?

89 Thanks Maryland for getting me off my butt to buy scary black rifles before they are banned!

Posted by: HoboJerky at August 05, 2013 05:24 PM (DFR46)

Then the tragic boating accident in the Chesapeake took them all from you...forcing you to begin again.

90 The whole buying through the mail thing was a big gun-grab if you ask me ( after Lee Harvey ).   It's bullshit.  And most of us know, all internets gun purchases have to go through a FFL.  Exception is If the gun is on the curio list and the buying has a curio/relic license.   Still, thwarting idiot criminals ...  99.5% of legal gun owners do not commit crimes with their firearms.

( my assumed stat.. sounds right, no? )

91 You do understand that you are praising deceit and a lack of ethics, don't you? Posted by: AmishDude

I understand that when it's my fortune at risk, I want smart, canny people representing me.  Nobody forced Bezos to buy. 

92 I've bought 3 firearms in the past two months. I had zero before. Thanks Maryland for getting me off my butt to buy scary black rifles before they are banned! Posted by: HoboJerky at August 05, 2013 05:24 PM (DFR46) Do you actually have them yet? Not snarking at you, Cougar Bait, serious question. I know you were still all where's my spy camera about them a bit ago.

93 Fanatical/cynical Upper-Echelon Leftists like to agitate and demagogue in favor of the totalitarian police state. Appeals like "totalitarian police state now or mad men will shoot YOUR (unaborted) children" are the easiest way to do this. Always appeal to people's subconscious/id/emotions/hysteria FTW. (And sometimes to their superego.)

94

Exception is If the gun is on the curio list and the buying has a curio/relic license

 

Also if  the transaction is in state.  That is where the no background check required comes into play. 

95 61 - Venice Beach hit and run attack Is the suspect black? Interestingly enough, I can't find any mugshots, which makes me suspect the media isn't anxious to publicize him. There is a screen grab from a security camera, where you can see the driver's arm. It's "brown bag". So it could be Anything from light skinned black to tanned white surfer.

96 67 61 Is the suspect black? Interestingly enough, I can't find any mugshots, which makes me suspect the media isn't anxious to publicize him. Posted by: zsasz at August 05, 2013 05:14 PM (MMC8r) I have posted this twice, he was a blond yoot. Posted by: Vic at August 05, 2013 05:15 PM (lZvxr) Thanks, Vic.

97 There is a screen grab from a security camera, where you can see the driver's arm. It's "brown bag". So it could be Anything from light skinned black to tanned white surfer.

One thing is for sure, it was a "resident".

98 I'm eating it with a fork, using mustard and relish as dipping sauces. It's still good. I highly recommend Johnsonville stuff. They were on Scott Walker's side in Wisconsin, among other things. Get your Grillers on.

99 I understand that when it's my fortune at risk, I want smart, canny people representing me. You're using "smart" and "canny" for "unethical" and "deceitful". "Smart" lawyers succeed in an environment where people naively assume that others are ethical. The "smart" ones are deconstructive by nature. The problem, of course, is that placing this kind of ethic on the bench or in the legislature leads to the deconstruction of society.

100 I'm eating it with a fork, using mustard and relish as dipping sauces.

I'll give you $250M for that brat.

101 O/T: did you see this clip of Pat Cadell?

http://tinyurl.com/m4zqoy9

"John Boehner Is ‘Purposely Suppressing Anything About Benghazi'"

102 I guess the name of the paper is changing too. Any guesses what it will become?

103 You're using "smart" and "canny" for "unethical" and "deceitful".

Tell you what, sparky.  I'll use the English language the way I intend.  I'm fairly good at it.

104 Jeff Bezos once paid  $250m  for the last mountain dew.  

105 ATC my local FFL releases after the 7th day now. Love them.

106 BREITBART: Dem Polling Firm PPP Names Registered Dem George Zimmerman Among Potential 2016 GOP Nominees

107 Considering the bite marks, and the low-grade mustard, I'll take that deal. All in stock options. Or 40 bucks in pre-Obama dollars.

108 Anyone who has read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals would surely be aware of Mao's dictum about guns and political power, as well as his critique thereof. Clearly more modern Leftist "intellectuals" intend to create a world in which Alinsky's critique no longer applies. (Alinsky said that it was stupid to bleat Mao's maxim as long as Conservatives had a lot more guns than Leftists.)

109 I guess the name of the paper is changing too. Any guesses what it will become?

Wamazon?

110 If it weren't for the internet sex loophole, man I'd never get laid.

111 ATC my local FFL releases after the 7th day now. Love them. Posted by: HoboJerky at August 05, 2013 05:31 PM (DFR46) That's awesome. Didn't you say there were some places that it was 30+ days?

112 (Alinsky said that it was stupid to bleat Mao's maxim as long as Conservatives had a lot more guns than Leftists.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 05, 2013 05:31 PM (hlx7X)

Their other problem is that most of us have read enough history to know that Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen, and Dachau were real and that people really did round up all those that they considered expendable and kill them--men, women, pregnant women, children, and babies.  Stalin's gulags were full of political prisoners, not to mention the 7 million he killed in the Ukraine.  In case we forgot, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge reminded us a couple of decades later, that ruthless dictators can and will round people up and exterminate them.

113 There is NO incentive for anyone online to sell to anyone without going through a FFL and in fact, a distinctive disincentive.  In-state or not, in this legal environment, someone would be a fool to sell a weapon online through a listserve to someone they did not know and without a FFL involved.

Sales to friends and family are completely different.

114

That is why they hate Christianity so much--it is a competing religion. They wisely leave Islam alone, because those nutz will cut a bitch.

-----------

 

I think they really hate Christianity because deep down, they know that it's exactly what they claim to be.  They claim to have the secrets to a happy life.  So does Christianity.  They claim to have the secrets to a successful and stable civilization.  So does Christianity.  They claim to be tolerant of all others, even those that they disagree with (bear with me; actions vs words here).  So does Christianity.  The difference is that their claims don't seem to work out all that well with the reality of their actions and results.  Christianity, on the other hand, has finally managed to prove over the last few hundred years that when people love their neighbors like they love themselves, then good things tend to happen both to individual people and to society as a whole.

 

Jews, who are also very much aware of the two great commandments, tend to draw similar sorts of ire.

115 This whole story is confusing.
If a private person ...wait if you have a federal firearms license are you still a private person?
So you buy a firearm from a private person, off the internet, but if you do that you have to have it shipped to a FFL person, unless the private seller will deliver it to you personally? Or if you go to the private person to pick it up?

If the private person has a store is that person still a private person? or a store unrelated to the sale of fire arms?  Like say a grocery, and the guy selling is the produce manager, would you have to do a background check? and how would you know the tire guy at your favorite tire store has a gun he wants to sell? Is there like a special mark he puts on his hat? If he puts up a little folded card on the counter top saying 'gun for sale' is he still a private person or will he have to do a background check?

Wasn't the gun show loop hole closed? Or does that not apply to private persons who happen to be at a gun show? Are you still a private person at a gun show? or nearby a gun show, like in the parking lot, or in the same town?

How do you find these private persons who don't have to do a background check if they sell you a firearm? You put a bumper sticker on your car? Wear a sign around your neck,"private person looking for a private person"? If you walk the streets with a sign is that not advertising? and if you advertise are you still a private person?

116 ATC if you wait until the paperwork comes back be prepared for 170+ days if you buy today.

117 I think they really hate Christianity because deep down, they know that it's exactly what they claim to be.  Posted by: junior at August 05, 2013 05:44 PM (UWFpX)

True, there is no one more paternalistic and chauvinistic than a True Blue Liberal.  They know best and they are completely intolerant of any other belief system.

118

True, there is no one more paternalistic and chauvinistic than a True Blue Liberal. They know best and they are completely intolerant of any other belief system.

---------------

 

Pretty much.  But I suspect that one of the reasons why they don't raise as much of a fuss over Islam is due to the utter and complete disaster that countries with a majority Islam population seem to become almost without even trying.  As a result, it's not as big of a threat as Christianity.  The latter appears to produce safe, stable, and functioning societies.  The former...

 

 

119

In CA, where the climate is unbelievably perfect and the electorate and political classes unbelievably vile and idiotic, all private sales must of course go through an FFL. 

 

Speaking of CA gun idiocy, a blood-boiling thing just happened to me.  So I've been shopping around (for one of those FFL-mediated private sales) to get a Ruger SR22 pistol, as I don't have a .22 semi-auto, want one, and I've heard/read great things about it.

 

So, due to an utterly immaterial change in the production design of the slide on this pistol (and, I guess Ruger's failure so far to pay the bribe, er, fee to have it "tested" again with the "new" design), this fucking pistol is suddenly no longer legal to sell commercially in CA.  Note that if you have a handgun in various models, the only difference being the finish on the metal (blued, stainless, pink, whatever), the different models are treated separately and must be "tested" for "safety" by the CA guvamint.  No, I'm not kidding.  Of course all the guns pass - they are somehow safe in 49 other states and 180+ countries, so they won't be "unsafe" here - but the manuf. has to pay the bribe and go through the paperwork to get/keep their handguns on the approved roster.  Currently a court case pending that could take out the roster.  It better.  Of all the idiotic, indefensible crap that CA voters impose on their best citizens, the gun "control" nonsense is probably the worst.

 

Back to background checks.  Subversive thought.  Most gun-owners probably support "common sense" regulation, represented by background checks that will weed out hardened criminals and violent psychos from buying guns.  But stop for a second, and think about it - just how much difference, in the real world, do you think this has actually made since 1968?  No actual data for this, we must speculate based on available info and common sense and logic.  Doing that, knowing that very few guns used in crimes are acquired legally as it is ...... seems to me even the vanilla background check system, per se, is almost entirely a worthless ritualistic goat-rope.

 

 

120

polynikes, exactly - private sellers should have a cheap available background check option to run on potential buyers

 

As I speculated (reasonably) above, legal firearms sales of all kinds and "gun violence" have almost no overlap (shaded area) on any Venn diagram.  Simply different topics.   Doing your own checks and being responsible would be/is fully sufficient to meet public safety objectives.

 

Which brings me back to Yip's (and my) point - background checks, at first glance, sort of define the "um, yeah, common sense" sort of control most people thing sounds reasonable.  My point isn't that all background checks are, per se, unreasonable.  It's just that the 97% (probably) of all firearms sales that are subject to some sort of background check are would not be problematic WITHOUT the background checks.

 

Run the anecdotal-level scenario in your heads.  Oh right, some gang-bangers and career criminals would walk up to the counter and buy their handguns at a gun store.  But very few.  And, if they didn't, they'd still commit the same number of the same type as they do today - using guns they already get outside the background-check world.

 

Perhaps an academic point.  But even the most "common sense" gun control is, in all likelihood, a completely pointless exercise that actually makes zero difference in public safety or the use of guns in crime.  Sort of makes a nice framework/context element to ponder the evil idiocy of the Himalayan range of other "gun control" crap that the country labors under.

 

Not that I ponder such things much any more.  I am literally to the point where even getting my filtered news highlights via the blogs (Capital Hill health insurance waiver issue below, case in point) my anger and alienation are becoming all-consuming.  

 

121 You can't play defense with these guys.  Instead of talking about what loophole needs to be closed we should be talking about passing a mandate forcing everyone to purchase a handgun and take shooting lessons.  Now that the Illiterate Traitor Roberts has ruled such things are in-bounds there are no Constitutional issues involved... at least none the court has gotten around to constructing out of crayons, penumbras, glitter and lead paint chips that would allow mandates for health care while disallowing them for handguns.  I have no doubt they would create one though if given the opportunity.

After all, we don't live in a country.  We live in a running joke.

122 Loophole n. 1. The tiny bit of freedom the law missed the first time around.

123

We seem to have this part of the blog to ourselves, Thatch, but I like your stuff.

 

Of all the discouraging, outrageous, pernicious developments of the last few years (and yes, it goes back beyond that, but it wasn't as histrionic and jaw-dropping as it has become), the collapse of the judiciary is near or at the top.

 

Of course the judiciary was never meant as a major guard-rail for constitutional order - it usurped that role.  But the obvious down-side to its usurpation has been - duh! - that it just appoints itself as a second super-legislature/executive.  The health care decision is ridiculous, and more consequential than most, but it's really a matter of degree, not kind.

 

Heard Sen. Mike Lee put it well the other day. He noted how the SCOTUS had amended the health care debacle TWICE - and of course (so far) the administration had then amended it twice.  All of this completely, indefensibly, laughably illegal and unconstitutional.  Roll that around on your tongue a bit for a taste - one fucking sitting senator with the brains and guts to make rather obvious observations about what can be described without hyperbole as the formal unravelling of constitutional order and rule of law in the US.

 

 

124 Reposting this, from Breitbart: Dem Polling Firm PPP Names Registered Dem George Zimmerman Among Potential 2016 GOP Nominees http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/05/Dem-polling-firm-Zimmerman

125 The gun rights groups MUST start reframing this issue. They have to start describing current gun law as it really exists. it should be said like this: Federal law currently states that ALL GUN SALES require a background check with the only exception being face to face sales between two private individuals who reside in the same state. ALL OTHER SALES require a background check.