1 That last paragraph sadly, sums it up succinctly.

Bastards all.

2 After 20 years, it will not matter.

3 Every time you think they can't surrender more; they do.

2nd?

4 Bloody hell. I'm a legal immigrant. I hate these sonsabitches.

5 I guess this is why I'm not terribly political anymore, or it seems as if I don't care as much. I don't.

I hope this means more movie reviews.

6 Political involvement is possibly the worst way to change the world.

7 Immigration really isn't going to make much difference.
Just another drop of water on the mountain top. Takes a long time to wear down the mountain one drop at a time.

So no need to worry.

8 Eff them.

9 Like Kramer said while slapping the money down on the counter "I'm Out".

10 God damn these bastards to hell.

11 My head went partially into the sand last November. I get it.

12 So.... speaking of non-politics, what parts should I get for my AR-15 build?

13 They long for the "good old days" of Bob Michel.

14 Looks like the Teaparty will have to become an actual party to give conservatives a voice, but it's all moot until the war is over.

15 I'm Out.

http://bit.ly/18ebJh8

16 I left the GOP during Bush's admin because of Shamnesty, but I still continued to vote GOP and donate. Not anymore. And any concern I have for the state of the nation? (Meaning these jackwagons who continually vote to keep spending trillions we don't have.) Fuck 'em. Let it burn. All I'm doing now is working on making sure my family is taken care of.

17 It's all Dems now. I hope this means more movie reviews. I keep nagging for that, but does he listen?

18 The Republicans in Congress-with very few exceptions-don't care if there's a 20 year dominance of Democrats in government. All they care about is their perks and privileges.

19 "There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance."

I'm not sure 20 years is the right number.  At least all by itself.  Maybe 20 years of Democrat rule, followed by a 200 years dark Age.  A real one.

20 Yearning for the burning

21

Unfortunately, you are able to think for yourself...something those GOP douches don't like at all.

Like the time I saw Harry Browne kissing celebrity ass on the old Maher show and not defend liberatarianism...I've given up on those assholes.

They are Democrats, and on board with all the sweaty, juicy, moist Marxism you can handle.

That's pretty fucked up.

But it's life. Shit was worse for the Camobidans, and Cubans and Chinese and eveyrone else touched by this disease.

But is it inevitable owing to our inherent monkey-ness?

Prolly.

22 Political involvement is possibly the worst way to change the world.

Better or worse than suitcase nukes?  Asking for a friend.

23

Saw this coming awhile back--re possible third party.  The GOP is not only gutless and but seems to have lost integrity re constitutional conservatism.

Stopped giving to the party since Romney was the candidate.

24 I'd say "welcome," but that implies happiness about any of us being here in the first place.

Reckon we're just glad we finally got someone with us who adequately bring it.

25 Poor Rand Paul, He just got the kiss of death from chrissy.http://tinyurl.com/k8yjmek

26 The burning time, they beckon

27 The issue has become a simple litmus test for an entire party. If the Republicans pass any form of amnesty, they'll have lost my vote forever. There's no sense using the "slow down the train" theory if your vote's not even helping to do that.

28 I'm on the same page. There is only so much you can take. On the plus side I'm not planning on kids, so what the hell do I care what happens to this country. We are getting what the majority asks for.

29 27 The issue has become a simple litmus test for an entire party. If the Republicans pass any form of amnesty, they'll have lost my vote forever. There's no sense using the "slow down the train" theory if your vote's not even helping to do that.

Posted by: Just A Guy at August 08, 2013 03:40 PM (T8BfZ)

Shoomer only gets involved in sure things.

30 Now you're just taking the nutter position!

I'll discuss this latest development on my show tonight with the unbiased, straight-shooting journalists of Politico. Tune in!

31 I got there a few months back and have spent a lot of time wondering why it took me so long. Welcome to the party of Ennui.

32 There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance. Only 20? More like forever by my count. Legalization will end up being a feedback loop for the Dems. There's no way to turn down the gain. Fuck this shit. Let it burn.

33 C'mon, man. Just relax. Accept your place in the universe - Permanent Minority Party. No responsibility. Nothing to worry about. Just relax. Accept the perks and the crumbs that fall off the Democrats table. Yeahhhh. Now isn't that better. Hey, it's Highball O'Clock!

34 I am now physically ill. I actually thought the House GOP would see this crap for what it is. But no. They are secure in their gerrymandered districts and love them the power and being invited to the best parties. Thus they sold out the country in order to try to catch Chuckie Schumer's eye and maybe get a wink.

35 >>> On the plus side I'm not planning on kids, so what the hell do I care what happens to this country.

i feel more and more like this. I do not have ownership in this project, this project is not my doing and not my wish, so there is no point in having an emotional investment in it.

36 "..only one set of permissible moves and only one permitted outcome." Ace, I believe that is the most succinct definition of Tyranny I have read.

37 Ennui is a canton of Peruvia.

38

The good news is that there are a lot of democrats who will jump on    the third party bandwagon.

39

All I'm doing now is working on making sure my family is taken care of.

Yep. But with teenagers, I have to also find a way for them to land on their feet after the inevitable collapse.

 

My only question any longer politically is do I completely sit out, or do I vote D to hasten the fall?

40 >>>
Only 20? More like forever by my count.

the american political system hates a vacuum of one sided dominance so what will happen, eventually, is some sort of political realignment.

I will pick parties then, after that has happened, or decided to continue to abstain.

41 Whatever portion of the party that is truly conservative needs to lay down the gauntlet,pass this and we leave en masse.

42 Can't compete with the party of free shit when it can take your shit, too.

43 At least there's one place where I can find some solace. *goes back to the Kate Upton thread*

44 There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance.

Yeah. 2014 and 2016 will be 1964 all over again: GOP in permanent opposition and the welfare state triumphant.

45 I was going to take the time to email "my" congressman but decided; meh.

I was going to point out that even if he didn't vote for or agree with the upcoming screwing, he was still going to pay because he hasn't helped throw these bastards out of the "leadership" positions.

There fore he's just as complicit. Like a felony murder rap.

The Senate, I've long written off because of McCain and McConnell as being a lost cause.

I suspect Palin won't be much use in forming a 3rd party. (that's why she let her contract expire and then renegotiated another fairly quickly) She may be useful in funneling some bucks around but don't look for her to assume any leadership role unless it's one by acclamation.

No. We're on our own.

I won't say I won't vote but I'm not voting for any Republican and certainly not for any Democrat. What choices I'll have after that, I have no idea.

As to a 20 year Democrat/Liberal hegemony; I say that the sooner people get a taste of what's really in store, the faster and longer any reformation will take place. Unless they gas us first of course.

46 Continue to vote for the best candidate for each office. Continue to advocate for positions that you support. None of that has anything to do with a political party. The only thing a party has been good for is drafting a platform, parts of which a candidate can choose to espouse. I know I'm simple, but I don't see what has changed. I've been fucking sold out again; that ain't new.

47 I hear what you're saying, but let me rebut you with these two words:

Jeb Bush.

48

WTF, Ace?  You're wetting your pants now because of some obviously biased MSM stories that are specifically designed to split the Republican Party?  That ABC News "story" is the most tarted up piece of trash I've seen in a long time. 

 

And here I thought you were one of the smart guys on our side. 

 

News flash:  MSM is DESPERATE to drag Obama's sorry ass across the finish line on SOMETHING, anything, so he doesn't finish his term as a total failure. 

49 Wonderful. I can't wait until we get the complaints from Schock et all that Chuckie and company lied about cumming in their mouth.

50 *crickets*

51 But the RNC is really taking it to CNN over that dumb documentary!

52 Schumer just brought it.

53 the american political system hates a vacuum of one sided dominance so what will happen, eventually, is some sort of political realignment. I hope you're right because I really don't put it past the dems to pull some chicanery and keep that day from ever happening.

54 Still a dozen years short of my (long-standing) prediction of 2025, and things are proceeding apace...

55 It's all just guns and ammo now. Only a matter of time.

56

Disobey.

 

Or are you going to kowtow to their Communistic rules, laws, and programs for the next 20 years? Can you do that and still look at yourself in the mirror?

 

I can't.

57 August 8. Ace goes Galt.

58 I remain optimistic.  I think the base will get agitated enough come crunch time to scare the fence-sitters off of voting for anything resembling pro-amnesty.

59 Same here. The only frustrating thing is all the big businesses who are shilling for this -- don't they realize ultimately the voters they are bringing in will vote to kill their businesses? I truly do not understand the short-sightedness.

60 Don't think a third party of any consequence will materialize. I remember last election lots of us said we'd never vote for Romney and when push came to shove we crawled back and did just that..... It'll happen again because the fear of that 20 + years of Dhimmi rule is too great...

61 all of ye should be weary when saying "i'm leaving the party"
change from the inside, not from the out.  if there's a third party, it won't be liberal (not just the democratic party, but cultural liberalism) dominance for only 20 years, but until the end.  take what you can get.

62 You are just a loser-tarian. You must vote GOP!!

63 Earth, salt, etc...

64

>>> On the plus side I'm not planning on kids, so what the hell do I care what happens to this country.

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Are you planning on leaving the country?  Dying   in  the next 20 years?  Why would what happens to the country not involve  you?

 

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i feel more and more like this. I do not have ownership in this project, this project is not my doing and not my wish, so there is no point in having an emotional investment in it.


----------------------

 

You may not have ownership in this project,   but you damn sure have residency in it.

65 Let's talk about an all-anime format. PS You don't have 20 years. Cheers!

66 On the plus side I'm not planning on kids, so what the hell do I care what happens to this country.

i feel more and more like this. I do not have ownership in this project, this project is not my doing and not my wish, so there is no point in having an emotional investment in it.

I do have kids.  I have to keep fighting.  There is no other option.

67 So the GOP finally found a hill to die on... and it decided to mount the hill and shoot each other in the back.

Great campaign, guys.

Said it before and I'll reiterate it again: If amnesty passes I'm voting locally for conservative/libertarians and nationally for either a) no one or b) the Democrat depending on just how fast I want to let it burn on a particular day.

The GOP doesn't know just how dead it will be.

68 > I can't wait until we get the complaints from Schock et all that Chuckie and company lied about cumming in their mouth.

Have you ever seen Schock?  He doesn't look like the kind of guy who'd complain about a mouth full of salty IYKWIMAITTYD.

69 As to a 20 year Democrat/Liberal hegemony; I say that the sooner people get a taste of what's really in store, the faster and longer any reformation will take place. Unless they gas us first of course. 
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at August 08, 2013 03:44 PM (28TG+)

Not to get your spirits down, but failure is always an option.   

70 Well they want to curry favor with queen future president Clinton.  They know it's her turn next for 8 years so they are playing it safe and settling in now for the long haul.

71 >> On the plus side I'm not planning on kids, so what the hell do I care what happens to this country.


What are you, gay?

72 Yep. But with teenagers, I have to also find a way for them to land on their feet after the inevitable collapse. My only question any longer politically is do I completely sit out, or do I vote D to hasten the fall? Posted by: hindmost at August 08, 2013 03:43 PM (t6Jvs) Yeah, I've got a 23 year old, and she's got her head on straight, politically, but the majority of her friends are Obamabots and entitlement junkies. Nothing she does is going to help them or change things. We are overrun. I'm not particularly looking to hasten the fall. I'm just looking for a soft landing insofar as that's possible. But I think, for the first time in my adult life, I'm going to sit out the next election.

73 WTF, Ace? You're wetting your pants now because of some obviously biased MSM stories that are specifically designed to split the Republican Party? That ABC News "story" is the most tarted up piece of trash I've seen in a long time.

And here I thought you were one of the smart guys on our side.

News flash: MSM is DESPERATE to drag Obama's sorry ass across the finish line on SOMETHING, anything, so he doesn't finish his term as a total failure.

Posted by: rockmom at August 08, 2013 03:44 PM (NYnoe)

Yup, the MSM knows that Obama is a totes lame-duck if nothing major gets passed by the time of next year's State of the Union.

74 I have no interest in playing a ludicrous game in which there is only one set of permissible moves and only one permitted outcome.

***

It's like playing tic tac toe when the other side gets the first three moves.

Oh, and on Drudge, another day, another Filner victim comes forward.

75 I have been a party loyalist since 1979 when I was 10 years old, lecturing my mother why she should be voting for Reagan instead of Carter.  After the last election I changed my registration to Independent.  I've washed my hands of the GOP.  I spend my time now preparing for the DOOM! and hoping we survive as a nation, or that there is anything left recognizable as America once the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the GOP party leadership are done with her.

76 In the past few days, two Republican members of the House of Representatives Daniel Webster in Florida, Aaron Schock in Illinois Ima gonna start passing around a rumor about how awesome the welfare bennies are in IL & FL. And that U-Haul takes EBT cards.

77 Well then, war or revolution.

78 So that picture of the slaughter house with the cow standing outside looking at the chute labels, one democrat, one republican, is the truth.  *Sighs and keeps stockpiling canned goods*

79 Rockmom may not be completely off base.I do think the left and the MFM (but I repeat myself) try to demoralize us and convince us there is no hope.Let's see what happens.If they truly do an amnesty,I'm agreed it's over but let's see if it happens.

80 Congrats ace, it's liberating to say "fuck it"

Be ready for the onslaught of the morning thread Morons who will scream "you want PERFECTION and if we don't accept a few disagreements we'll have DEMOCRATS!! We need Republicans for some reason to promise one day to speak up about the damage done is what they'll say

You know what The Who song said ..

81 I am glad Ace has thrown in the towel. Conservatism is finished and America will be a better place.

82 I remain optimistic. I think the base will get agitated enough come crunch time to scare the fence-sitters off of voting for anything resembling pro-amnesty.

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 08, 2013 03:45 PM (UypUQ)

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This, or the massive financial destruction that will    hit next spring with the    socialized medicine bill are the only two things that can    stop the freight train.  Even then, it might require     violence to stop the twin headed evil in DC.

83 Each and every piece of mail received here from either the GOP or its candidates since last November goes directly into the recycle bin and never enters our abode. Fin. Finis. Done. Kaput. Over.

84 Oh man, this is a bummer.  I always liked Aaron Shock.  I remember as a freshman in Congress he schooled Obama on lost jobs in Illinois.  Darn.

85
Shit status : Brought.

86 SMOD lost. Damn it. Mew

87 rockmom, they are determined to do this.

It's like a say about gerbils.  Gerbils will always get out of their cages because all they do is plot 14 hours per day how to get out of the cage. 

You cannot control something that is plotting every waking hour to escape the cage.

The Republican Gerbils want this, they will never stop wanting it, they will never stop, period.

I'm of fighting with them.  At some point, you just accept that the Gerbil wants to be free to be eaten by the cat.

88 You know what The Who song said ..


Posted by: kbdabear at August 08, 2013 03:48 PM

YAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH !!!!

89 Ace, it won't matter if there is a 20 year period of Dummy Domination.  The nation is doomed unless the real Tea Party members (Mike Lee) take control of the party.  Those pretend Tea Party advocates  have either already caved (Marco Rubio) or will soon (Ted Cruz).  We are doomed.

90 That ABC News "story" is the most tarted up piece of trash I've seen in a long time. That is a great line; Thanks.

91 Well if you're going to do it, do it. There are mechanisms in place. They take ungodly amounts of time, effort and money, not to mention regulatory compliance that requires special attention, but they exist. A third Party cannot invent 50 million new voters, so they must subvert 50 million from the Republican/Democrat Parties. In the end it will require a platform, and some regional/philosophical compromise, like all platforms do. Will that advance the cause so much further?

92

The Left's ambition in this country for decades has been a Soviet-style government with them in permanent charge of it. After all, it's what they've done in every other nation in history where they've gotten enough power.

The difference this time is that there won't be any free nations on the other side of the wall to show the inhabitants the truth behind their system.

200 years may be a minimum.

93 Jeb/Chris 2016! Whoo hoo!

I've got a balloon right here somewhere.
Mr. Rodriguez, por favor, can I have a balloon please?

94 Seeing the defeatism on this blog warms my heart. The bigot brigade is demoralized and that is a great thing for America.

95 Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 08, 2013 03:37 PM (aDwsi)

I think after 10 more years (2024), it will not matter,  Our children and grandchildren will be well-mannered serfs on the Democrat "estates" (which sounds so much more European, and nice, than "plantations").


It took them 250 years to destroy this country, and it would take at least 100 years to recover it, and it is more than likely that it is not recoverable.  There were too many unique aspects of our founding that cannot be repeated.

96 Well, I'm not giving up.  We have young men and women willing to fight and die for this country while we sit on our hands.

I'll continue to work to stop the shitweasels in DC from destroying what remains of this country.  I owe our son that much.

97 I'm of fighting with them. At some point, you just accept that the Gerbil wants to be free to be eaten by the cat. Posted by: ace at August 08, 2013 03:49 PM (/IWYB) ------ Don't bring me into your carnographic fantasy, Ace. Mew

98 the american political system hates a vacuum of one sided dominance so what will happen, eventually, is some sort of political realignment.

One of the reasons they want to let half the Third World vote here is to make the system less American.

99 People don't seem to understand what the word "collapse" means in this context. You're not landing on your feet. You're not rebuilding. Hell, even the people who spent sixty years planning to be the ones who get to rebuild won't be the ones to rebuild. It will be the most ruthless thug. And then another, and another. We had an *incredibly* exceptional revolution, they don't usually go like that.

100 Conservatism is finished and America will be a better place.

Yes. Ruff.

101

Meanwhile, cobloggers insult commenters who dare to suggest we don't agree with  the R plan of sucking up to network television. 

102 I'm too tired to reply back to all this Doom and Gloom crap. This is why I don't come on here as often as I use to. But I will say this - Um Piers Morgan, have you seen YOUR ratings bud...against freaking Hannity of all people? I wouldn't be trash talking the next 9 o'clock contender if I were you.

103 Stupid fucking racist sock.

104 "There are people in the House who say we should find a way to grant them legal status, but not a path to citizenship, and there are the people who say 'no, there needs to be a path to citizenship.' My mindset is that people should come forward, should have to pay a penalty and a fine, there should be a probationary period. I am not in the camp that believes that people should have to leave the country in order to get in line. I just happen to believe that's just an unrealistic expectation that 11 million people are going to leave." ------ 'Look, I would go if you stop insisting on paying me to be here while providing me with food and letting me live above the law and giving my children benefits that citizens don't receive and my young adult offspring cheaper tuition than can be had by a citizen from another state. Besides, you have not translated the request into Aramaic yet so I can't comprehend it.'

105

I'm certain to regret this, but I have to ask: When did a pathway to citizenship become synonymous with amnesty?

 

Some have suggested a return to home country and application for a green card to be part of a pathway to citizenship. Is that amnesty?

106 On the bright side, the rapidly-approaching DOOM! should limit the "20 years of Democrat dominance" somewhat.

And on a more positive note, remember it only took the original Republicans 6 years to go from upshot-third-party to having a tall ugly-ass-mofo sitting in the Oval Office.

107 I do think the left and the MFM (but I repeat myself) try to demoralize us and convince us there is no hope. Of course they do; It's obvious.

108 Ace, and everyone else who takes a similar stance, it makes sense to do that. It makes sense to start a third party. It would be easy. We've been lied to repeatedly, we've sucked it up for years. But you know what? No. I'm not giving up on this party yet. There's a lot of fight left in me and I'm going to get up and fight every single day. If I have to fight all of the Dems and all of the RINO's and all of the "moderate Republicans" and all of the "establishment Republicans" then I'll do it. We have to get up every single day and fight these bastards. Why? Because if we don't who else will? We don't owe it to the future, we owe it to the past to do everything we can to save this county. For me that means fighting these monsters and getting behind people like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Scott Walker etc. Sure, we are outgunned, out numbered, low on supplies and running out of time. That's as true now as it has always been. What's more is that we are going to lick these people out of their boots. We will not run away we will stand and fight and we will lick these people out of their boots. We are not the party of cowards, we are a party of Tigers. I for one, intend on showing it.

109 >>>Meanwhile, cobloggers insult commenters who dare to suggest we don't agree with the R plan of sucking up to network television.

could you stop whining maybe about other people expressing their opinions?

what do you want me to do?  Yell at them?

110 1) we should probably just chillax until the votes are cast. 2) A resistance movement that is little more than on-line snark won't go very far. It is fun, sure, but everyone knows the leftists can't read, and probably wouldn't care if they could.

111 Some have suggested a return to home country and application for a green card to be part of a pathway to citizenship. Is that amnesty? 
Posted by: spongeworthy at August 08, 2013 03:51 PM (r5w1L)

That's deportation.  

112 95 Seeing the defeatism on this blog warms my heart. The bigot brigade is demoralized and that is a great thing for America. Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 03:50 PM (SmQqB) “In War: Resolution, In Defeat: Defiance, In Victory: Magnaminity In Peace: Good Will.” Churchill "In the meantime, FUCK YOU" Sefton

113 There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance.

***

I'm not so sure.  When the Whigs refused to confront the issues of the day, they died and, in 1854, a new party was created.  Six years later they won the White House.  And this without blogs, telephones, etc.

114 I have no kids. But I am willing to help those who do prepare for what's coming. I hold no hope for this generation, and little for the next...but after...? Time to take the long view.

115 How about the Washington Cane Spiders?

http://www.instanthawaii.com/cgi-bin/hawaii?Animals.cane

116 steevy: "Whatever portion of the party that is truly conservative needs to lay down the gauntlet, pass this and we leave en masse."

Yep. Make it clear for the history books that the GOP conspired with Statists of another party to bring down a nation.

117 You know, there's a lot to be said for voting D just to fuck the GOP over. Turnabout's fair play. I might flinch on election day and not be able to bring myself to do it - I've only voted for a Democrat once and that was in the Edwin Edwards / David Duke race - but I'd like to do to the GOP what they've been doing to us.

118 Shit look at the house GOP they spent 40 years as a permanent minority and didn't mind one bit. They didn't raise a ruckus and the Dems wouldn't be too nasty to them and they got their pork. The house only got really contentious when Newt and the boys took over and started implementing conservative ideas. The GOP old guard suddenly found themselves banished from the ruling class and they're non to happy about it.

119

It's what I've been saying for some time.  The secret  of retaining  our freedoms and God-given rights is not through DC anymore.  It's through local and state governments. 

 

Here in OK,  the question of nullification is being put on the front burner.

 

It's going to be up to the states now, where it should have been all along.

120 61 all of ye should be weary when saying "i'm leaving the party" change from the inside, not from the out. if there's a third party, it won't be liberal (not just the democratic party, but cultural liberalism) dominance for only 20 years, but until the end. take what you can get. The GOP is a big-government, big business party. You can't change it from the inside: the scions and blue-bloods hold all the power. The TEA party appeared four years ago, and is just as much outside as when it first formed, in spite of all the lower-level positions they filled in. The GOP took their effort and votes and gave us...the sequester. Salvation only comes in a new party, but somebody famous and respected has to come out for it.

121 89 You know what The Who song said .. Posted by: kbdabear at August 08, 2013 03:48 PM YAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH !!!! Posted by: The Who at August 08, 2013 03:49 PM (/9IC1) YEARGHH!!!!!!!!!! Howard Dean

122 and are quickly realizing that amnesty is precisely what their constituents are clamoring for," said Absolutely Nobody Ever. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at August 08, 2013 03:47 PM (tWmgi) Yeah. I've been trying to find text from town halls but they are all filtered with a 'we love amnesty' bias.

123 I am at this point to. The GOP's response to this loss of votes and enthusiasm will be to interpret it as a sign that they have to move to the left even more and pander to minorities.

124 screw third party. What this country needs is an IRA type organization to fight our oppressors.

The American experiment lasted as long as it could.  It is time for a new experiment, and that has to start with rebellion and revolution against those who seek to (and are succeeding at) destroying America.

From this experiment, we have learned that no matter what the original intent, all institutions/gov'ts will become more and more tyrannical.

So, we need to create a new system, with a new constitution with even more checks and balances on power, with even more limits on gov't power spelled out, with clearer language regarding things like "interstate commerce", "freedom of speech", "freedom of religion" and the right to bear arms.

It is time to feed the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants.  It would have to start with small  groups doing actual activity and grow into a bigger movement, but the time has arrived.

We have reached the point in the downward slope where the power accumulated to the federal gov't will accelerate at a geometric pace.  Once Obamacare is in full swing, almost every aspect of life is controllable because it affects the cost of healthcare.  We already see that in the name of "healthcare", religious rights can be trampled.  It is only a matter of time before Churches are forced to perform gay marriages and provide abortions. 

I don't have patriotism toward what America currently is.  I care very little about the nation as it is currently formulated.  I care about the America that was and was meant to be.  But they are gone, never to return.  Instead, we must move forward to create something new from the ashes of America that we create.

125 For years, I remember hearing that some political fight "wasn't the hill to die on." We passed on fighting on a lot of hills. I guess we just got used to it.

126 Ok, let's be honest folks. When you go in to vote, weather you vote straight party line or not, look at the names. Do you really know anything about them? The state officers other than governor. The state legislators. The local politicians.

Admit it, you don't know anything about them. So we all vote 'party' hoping the party stands for something. We don't have time! So we trust the news, but do you read the local news? Who wants to read about zoning, or local budgets, or taxes, or the schools. Do you even know who you are voting for on the school board?

Judges? is to laugh. You get a hand out with a paragraph for a biography.

So now we're all dill pickles. We can't trust the party, we can't trust the news. We certainly can't trust the politicians. So what are we going to do?

It's an honest question.

127 That Gerbil analogy brought a tear to my eye.

128 The difference this time is that there won't be any free nations on the other side of the wall to show the inhabitants the truth behind their system.

Might still be some hope for Poland.

129 Is there any serious talk of cutting off "pathway" people from using chain-immigration after they get citizenship?

Has Marco and friends ever been asked about this issue?

130 110 ace It mist suck seeing Many Republicans are not bigots. People like you have been a poison for the Republican Party. Your defeat is imminent and America will breath a sigh of relief.

131 Glad you finally realized what the libertarians realized in the 70's with Nixon. Welcome to the club, now maybe we can actually start getting rid of some of the assholes?

132

95 -

 

It's not defeatism, chum.  There are people on this blog with the means and the methods to fight back.  It just won't be at the ballot box.  Good luck, you are definitely going to need it. 

133 i feel more and more like this. I do not have ownership in this project, this project is not my doing and not my wish, so there is no point in having an emotional investment in it.


Posted by: ace at August 08, 2013 03:42 PM

Good on ya ace, now you're one of us ...

134 It doesn't matter whether we abandon the party or not. This immigration bill effectively disenfranchises us all anyway. It's leftist all thre way down. Besides, Obeyme ain't goin' anywhere in 2016. It was over last year.

135

Jumping into the shit bucket with both feet...

 

Has anyone here heard of ObamaCare?  Want to know how a terrible piece of legislation like this got passed? 

 

It's because they had a plan and we didn't.

 

We could have come up with a conservative healthcare plan that embraced individual responsibility and fiscal sense, but everyone was too busy fantasizing that everything was fine just the way it was.  It wasn't.

 

Bitch, moan, jerk your knees, scream and yell, but that's the situation.

 

Now, the same thing is happening with immigration.  We could put together a conservative plan that secures the borders, handles the people who are already here and follows all the principles and values everyone claims they uphold.

 

But no.  We would rather demonize anyone on our side who attempts to craft a conservative alternative.  All the "true conservatives" have their heads planted firmly up their asses pretending that the status quo is what we need.

 

We'll lose this battle too. 

 

It's time to focus on discussing how to solve problems with conservative plans instead of just bitching about liberal plans.

 

Let the shit storm begin.

136

Obviously Webster, Schock and McCarthy enjoy the cut and thrust of Republican primaries.  Wouldn't want to disappoint them.

137 95 Seeing the defeatism on this blog warms my heart. The bigot brigade is demoralized and that is a great thing for America.

Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 03:50 PM (SmQqB)

You are pond scum.  Absolute pond scum. And nothing will ever change that.

138

You're not landing on your feet. You're not rebuilding.

Hell, even the people who spent sixty years planning to be the ones who get to rebuild won't be the ones to rebuild.

It will be the most ruthless thug. And then another, and another. We had an *incredibly* exceptional revolution, they don't usually go like that.

 

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And  with your support, I will BE that thug.

 

Join my Death's Head Legions today  and take your place  by my side as we wrest the canned goods and blond wimmen  that are rightfully  ours  from the grubby,  lifeless  fingers of the pitiful, ragtag defenders of Salina, Kansas.

 

Seniors!  Reject  the false promises of Social Security  and join my Grey  Expendables Sapper Brigade.  End your golden years with dignity and honor  clearing  the minefields  and wire obstacles for a path to a better tomorrow!  For the rest of us.

 

139 Meh, all you ever have is the best of two bad choices. I'll still vote Repub most of the time and support the most electable conservative possible. I give more of my time and money to issues and pressure groups anyway. And they ones I support the most, like Cato or Reason, have always been fringe even on the Right. So I have no illusions. I've know since I was 20 that the vast majority of people don't agree with my public policy preferences -- largely because they are too stupid to understand them. Or too evil. It's a Sisyphean task just to get Econ 101 laws passed -- no rent control or minimum wage, for example. My expectations were always very low.

140 126 For years, I remember hearing that some political fight "wasn't the hill to die on." We passed on fighting on a lot of hills. I guess we just got used to it. Posted by: Taco Shack at August 08, 2013 03:55 PM (C+qQ0) As I always said, if we don't choose a hill to die on, the left will choose a ditch for us to die in. Ditch time is coming.

141 I hope the cat plays with the gerbil first, and then eats it from the bottom up.

I want to see the expression on its face.

142 Give the people what they want.

As hard as you can.

When this amnesty floods the workplace and Blacks are unemployed to the tune of 80%, let's make sure the fingerprints on Amnesty are all Democrats.

143 If I may be so bold as to comment... California has pretty much become a socialist nightmare. Southern California, particularly the San Diego area and parts of Los Angeles County look like Mexico. I really don't recognize the state anymore. But I find it fascinating that the very people (rich, liberal whites) championing amnesty here in California, are the ones in their segregated communities. Sure, you need your housekeeper, nanny or gardener to continue to service you. But what about the rest of us? It's all fun and games until the illegals try to move into their communities, especially with the new HUD policy going into effect. Blacks are now starting to complain about amnesty for the illegals, but I think it's "too little, too late" for that. And I'm not surprised that members of the CBC sold out "their constituents", of which I am not one. I have been saying it for a long time, and it bears repeating...people don't believe fat meat is greasy. Anyway, I welcome a third party, especially if it's the Tea Party.

144 It's time to focus on discussing how to solve problems with conservative plans instead of just bitching about liberal plans. Let the shit storm begin. Posted by: jwest at August 08, 2013 03:56 PM (u2a4R) I agree with you so let the shit storm come at me too...

145 116 How about the Washington Cane Spiders?  http://www.instanthawaii.com/cgi-bin/hawaii?Animals.cane 
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 08, 2013 03:53 PM (CzPap)

Why are you linking spiders?   Did one of your cats take over your laptop? 

Oddly, I can think of no cute anime spiders.  Roaches, sure (/shudder), but not a spider ...

146 The caveat to all this is that we can't survive 20 years of Democratic dominance. This is that moment your teacher warned you about, when algebra would save your life.

147 Second look at Christine O'Donnell?

148 Salvation only comes in a new party, but somebody famous and respected has to come out for it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2013 03:53 PM (Ttj5v)

A new party will accomplish nothing.  Change can only come about by overturning everything entirely and supplanting it with something new. The state has become too large to change now.  Liberals and the courts have mostly eviscerated the constitution - to the point where it is almost a meaningless document.  The best a new party can do is slow down the disease.  It could never cure it.

To cure the disease you have to destroy the host and create something new.

149 This time just the tip, wingnuts.

srsly

150 Being from a STEM field, I know what the importation of people from poor countries do to wages. Not that I would have it differently, but I know if being a native English speaker had the same barrier to entry for my field as for the humanities, I'd be rollin' in the dough. These people who all (sorry to keep harping on this) went to law school and never encountered a foreign-born person outside of the faculty who taught their mandated STEM class only see immigrants as a way to get some sweet slave labor and some cheap-o science and engineering. They themselves are protected. But let's think about why we're really concerned about legalization and path to nonsense or whatever. It's because we can't afford it. Low-skilled people plus chain migration brings a high demand for social services. Well, as conservatives/libertarians, we don't want the elaborate social services in the first place. We're trying to maintain a system we're really not interested in. The oldsters are invested in Social Security and Medicare. Obama's destroying Medicare and immigration will be the death knell of Social Security.

151 There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance. It is unavoidable. ********** 20 years is optimistic. How long before the Tea Party can check it--the Democratic Party? Also they have to really be a PARTY with all the legal aspects and be willing to do the work that is required to achieve that.

152 The sooner half the country realises they have no representation in government but that they own most of the guns in the country the sooner we can reset this whole system.

153

 

 

Don't dispair...Oh well then there's this! http://tinyurl.com/muhxhms

 Plus Sarah Palin is running for Senate as well as Allen West is a maybe for the same in FL

 

154 131 110 ace

It mist suck seeing Many Republicans are not bigots. People like you have been a poison for the Republican Party. Your defeat is imminent and America will breath a sigh of relief. Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 03:55 PM

In Detroit that's called "agonal breathing"

155 Ace: "Because you have better things to do with your time than minding a Gerbil all day long."

Great closing. The parties forever fight against the legal citizen/taxpayer in a rigged game. Fine. This isn't my living as it is yours, political hacks. In the design you were supposed to represent my interests. You don't. You get paid to scheme, to steal, to insulate. I simply cannot compete with that. So, I'll have to move to an arena where I can. In the interim, welcome to the sh*thole. You guys want it, it's coming. And you and your heirs won't escape it much as you think you will.

156 There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance. It is unavoidable. Wrong. After 20 years of Democrat dominance, there will be no third party. There will be no second party. There will only be THE party, just as it is in every communist or fascist state. Oh, there will also be pain.

157 There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance.


But it really will not make much difference.  With Nancy Boy (Thank you Nancy Mace) and McShitty stabbing us in the back and siding with one of the most liberal Senators in office it is the same thing.


I will vote in the primaries to try and get rid of Nancy Boy but is he is not ousted in the primary I will not vote in the general election.


They have stabbed me for the last time.

158 Whatever you do, don't google Gerbil Out Party.

159 If they are going to combine any step by step approach- just pass one step a year out of congress or if that is not enough pass NOTHING. Don't be taken again, Don't be made to look like saps. For me this a Rubicon. And I for one will not put up with 20 years of Dem Dominance and the end of America.

160 Boehner is our own McClellan, except that McClellan didn't drink as much.

161 Call me a crack pot, but the machine age is coming anyway. I'm sure people will exist in some form, but the future isn't precisely ours.

162 You guys are just stupid. No one in GOP is ever going to be pro amnesty and those that are for immigration reform are not for amnesty.

163 125 screw third party. What this country needs is an IRA type organization to fight our oppressors. Before we get too drastic, we should at least try an opposition party. A real one, not one run by an orange-skinned lush coward.

164

110 -

 

I don't want you to do anything, Ace.  I'm doing what I want to do.  You let him post here, so maybe you should just live with the fact that some of us are going to give him both barrels when he acts up.  Which he does.  Essentially every day. 

 

So don't worry about it.  It's taken care of. 

165 Crack pot.

166 When this amnesty floods the workplace and Blacks are unemployed to the tune of 80%, let's make sure the fingerprints on Amnesty are all Democrats. (a) Nope. Democrats and especially blacks (in large majorities anyway) believe that economics is a conspiracy. They won't make the connection. (b) Democrats are never held to account for their bad policies. Look at Detroit.

167 Medicare and immigration will be the death knell of Social Security.
But the Wall Street GOPers say immigration will save these programs!

168 Join my Death's Head Legions today and take your place by my side as we wrest the canned goods and blond wimmen that are rightfully ours from the grubby, lifeless fingers of the pitiful, ragtag defenders of Salina, Kansas. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 03:56 PM (CJjw5) Dibs on brunettes. I call dibs. Dibs.

169 Six years later they won the White House. And this without blogs, telephones, etc.

Without the NSA and FBI and ATF etc etc etc reading their e-mails and sending the IRS to harass their donors and shooting their dogs during no-knock raids.

170

I'll admit this kills me too.

 

What I hate is when they run saying they'll vote one way and then actually vote another.

 

if you want to be pro-amnesty, fine. Let voters know that before they pull the lever for you.

171

Oddly, I can think of no cute anime spiders.

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Charlotte sent me a note stating that while she's not anime, she still dislikes your sentiments.

 

172 171 For NOW only shooting the dogs.
Jack Booted Thug

173 149 Second look at Christine O'Donnell? Sounds good to us...

174 You'll notice the communist party didn't grow until it took over the country, it took over the democrats and took over the country that way.  The Tea Party can and is doing the same with the Republican Party, which should be easier because the Tea Party are not FKKING COMMUNISTS!!

175 Yep, let it burn. But "save the foundation!" right? So, what does that look like in practice? I assume it's something more proactive than just 20 years wandering in the wilderness with the tea party / retreating to galt's gulch. (?). A lthough I also assume it -includes- those things...

176 You folks need to show up to townhalls and get on twitter and heckle these traitor Republicans and their supporters. I support a Tea Party take over the GOP, and we can start with Chuck Schumer's puppets in the house and senate. The next primary season = hostile takeover time.

177 It's like a say about gerbils. Gerbils will always get out of their cages because all they do is plot 14 hours per day how to get out of the cage. You cannot control something that is plotting every waking hour to escape the cage. The Republican Gerbils want this, they will never stop wanting it, they will never stop, period. I'm of fighting with them. At some point, you just accept that the Gerbil wants to be free to be eaten by the cat. Posted by: ace at August 08, 2013 03:49 PM (/IWYB) **************** Cripes I'm not getting this Gerbil Analogy.

178 Obama's at 41% approval. And the GOP reacts by supporting everything he wants.

179 103 I'm too tired to reply back to all this Doom and Gloom crap. This is why I don't come on here as often as I use to. But I will say this - Um Piers Morgan, have you seen YOUR ratings bud...against freaking Hannity of all people? I wouldn't be trash talking the next 9 o'clock contender if I were you. Posted by: @AuthorLMendez at August 08, 2013 03:50 PM (yAor6) Allow me to respond to you at a level you are capable of understanding. -1

180 We could have come up with a conservative healthcare plan that embraced individual responsibility and fiscal sense, but everyone was too busy fantasizing that everything was fine just the way it was. Where “everyone” equals elected Republicans, for the most part. Conservatives had been pushing real health care reform and health insurance reform for as long as I’ve been paying attention to them.

181 I changed my part ID to "Libertarian" 4 years ago. I would encourage others to do the same. Regardless of how you vote come the day, a mass exodus from party identification may just send a message.

182 161 Nevergiveup

It's tough to discover there are republicans who are not bigots like you. I have some tissue for the tears.

183 Welcome. Team Let It Burn throws some kickass parties.

184

I think our strategy was wrong.  I  have always said that the best deal we could get would  to have a process to legalize those already here but deny them the ability to ever get citizenship.    This would accomplish a few things.  It would take away most of the demonization of the Republicans as hard hearted.  It would be a plan those on the fence would support.  It would eliminate the danger of a new democrat voting bloc and it would allow the shit head corps to keep their cheap labor.    

 

We should have gone with the Bush plan eight years ago. 

185 This is what decades of voting for the lesser of two evils gets you. The Repub fools in the house buying this idiocy think they won't be punished and they're right.

186 Boehner is our own McClellan, except that McClellan didn't drink as much.

McClellan never went golfing with Jeff Davis.

187

Good, good. Welcome to the dark side. Just don't wimp out on usin 1 or 3 years and rah rah for gotv efforts and the like.

We don't say let it burn because we appreciate the blaze, but because we've noticed the FD filling the water reservoirs with gasoline.

188 Cripes I'm not getting this Gerbil Analogy.

I'm don't get it either, but I am getting turned on by it.

189 After 20 years, it will not matter.

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My exact thought, as well.  I only had a flicker of a hope the GOP would come to their senses and listen to us.  They will not.  And they will die as a party.  And we will all be Detroit in 20 years, or less.  And I say that not to be histrionic or over-the-top dramatic.  It's just a fact.  And it's so very plain to see.  The country will descend into a morass of stinking leftism.  Congrats, lefties, you're gonna get what you've wanted.  And good night once-great America...my beautiful America. 

190 @172, except they want to win so they get the perks and the freedom from Obamacare and the insider trading, so that necessarily means lying about what's going to happen inside the voter's mouths. Rubio was the end, for me.

191 Between 1932 and 1980, America was basically a one party state, but Dems had to be much more conservative due to the Old South being a Democrat monopoly

If conservatives started voting in Dem primaries, the "thank God the GOP is dead" crowd would be sorry they got what they wished for

192 But no. We would rather demonize anyone on our side who attempts to craft a conservative alternative. All the "true conservatives" have their heads planted firmly up their asses pretending that the status quo is what we need.

We'll lose this battle too.

It's time to focus on discussing how to solve problems with conservative plans instead of just bitching about liberal plans.

Let the shit storm begin.

Posted by: jwest at August 08, 2013 03:56 PM (u2a4R)

Anything other than blocking amnesty or very small-ball, token legislation is unrealistic.  The Dems have control of enough of the Government that they can rewrite and negotiate anything conservatives pass to be pretty much what they wanted all along, 11 million new voters and all their overseas families.

193 Politics is merely symptomatic of America at large. Winning elections - and installing elected officials that will reverse course and deconstruct the Leviathan - can only happen when we take back the schools, and thereby change the culture. You are looking at a hell of a lot longer timeframe than 20 years. It took the bastards almost 100 years to get us to this point. They are not going to give up and therefore, regrettably, blood is going to have to be shed. Whether we believe it or not, we are now going to have to go underground and be subversive in our own country. I hate the left. I really, really do. May the all go straight to Hell for what they have done to this great country.

194 Rubio was the killer because it showed he was an idiot when it comes to strategy. Let me put it simply: If Chuck Schumer is for it, you should be against it.

195 I'm not a registered republican anymore I changed to Independent.... Doesn't matter in my State Ca. anyway because my vote doesn't count but I feel better....

196 The choice is a) 20 years of Democrat rule b) 20 years of Democrat rule with GOP support

197 To cure the disease you have to destroy the host and create something new. 
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 08, 2013 03:57 PM (sOx93)

That is not a cure.   

198 I have always said that the best deal we could get would to have a process to legalize those already here but deny them the ability to ever get citizenship. How long do you think that will last? If not anything, dems are good at pulling the emotions.

199 Silly sock.

200 82 I am glad Ace has thrown in the towel. Conservatism is finished and America will be a better place. Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 03:48 PM

It'll suck when you end up having to pay for your own free shit. In the meantime, enjoy mom's basement and government freebies

201 165 125 screw third party. What this country needs is an IRA type organization to fight our oppressors.

Before we get too drastic, we should at least try an opposition party.

A real one, not one run by an orange-skinned lush coward.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2013 04:00 PM (+NYjg)

That will take decades to accomplish and by then, it'll be a completely socialist nation with an economy like Greece's.  If it happens at all (it won't). 

the vast majority of Americans are lemmings at best.  Politicians, as a class, are going to always move left - it is far easier to win an election and/or win reelection promising people the world and passing "feel good" legislation than actually confronting problems and telling people the truth.  So, even a third party is going to end up with politicians doing what the GOP politicians do.

No, we have to create a new constitution, which even more explicitly and more severely limits gov't power.  that creates even more checks and balances, that provides even more specific individual rights and that spells out explicitly that gov't does not exist to take care of the individual from cradle to grave.

Anything else is just pissing in the wind at this point.

202 We should have gone with the Bush plan eight years ago. The plans aren't really that different - unserious border security claims and ammesty.

203

For once, I agree with jwest. 

 

The day after George Bush's immigration bill went down, Republicans should have been crafting their own damn bill.  But since this has somehow become a new litmus test for how conservative you are, I guess too many of them were scared to even touch the issue - and the reactions here seem to prove them right.  The people who beat back Bush's bill apparently think they can keep killing these bills forever.  It's possible they are right, but I would not count on it. 

 

It's irresponsible as a matter of policy for one party to have NO policy on the fate of 12 million people who are obviously not going anywhere. 

204 188 If he'd won the election he would have.

205

I don't see how  our current dilemma is the fault of the GOP.

 

It's  the fault of the American people.  There are more Free  Shitters than conservatives.  You could  run Ronald Reagan again and it wouldn't matter.

 

There Are More Of  Them  Than There Are Of   Us.  Even WITHOUT  Amnesty.

 

That's the dead-simple equation  that determines our future.  We are in the decline of the American Empire, cursed with our  own affluence.  Shiftless fucking layabouts like our  idiot  cunt of a troll have  been shielded  from  the consequences  of their lack of responsibility for generations, and they will  continue  to be shielded all the way down to impact.

 

What's wrong with  America is not reversible.  The only unknowables right now are how long the collapse lasts and what comes out the other side.

 

Get bulletproof, provide  for your  family's  future.   Everything else is wasted effort.

206 ""On the plus side I'm not planning on kids, so what the hell do I care what happens to this country.""


 I didn't have kids because I saw 20 years ago what was in store. I'm of a firm belief that mankind has to go through a constant cycle of oppression, then a collapse, then a period of motherfuckers hanging from lamp posts, then a brief freedom, then an overpopulation of complacent dumb fucks to piss it all away. The cycle just starts again. The founders knew this. A republic if you can keep it they said, they knew mankind sucks and needs to learn the hard way time after time without fail.

207 170 Join my Death's Head Legions today and take your place by my side as we wrest the canned goods and blond wimmen that are rightfully ours from the grubby, lifeless fingers of the pitiful, ragtag defenders of Salina, Kansas. 
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 03:56 PM (CJjw5) 

Dibs on brunettes. I call dibs. Dibs. 
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at August 08, 2013 04:01 PM (qyfb5)


I am amused by the utter lack of love for gingers.    AtC?  

208 Join my Death's Head Legions today and take your place by my side as we wrest the canned goods and blond wimmen that are rightfully ours from the grubby, lifeless fingers of the pitiful, ragtag defenders of Salina, Kansas.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 03:56 PM (CJjw5)

Dibs on brunettes. I call dibs. Dibs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at August 08, 2013 04:01 PM (qyfb5)

 

I'm in for the redheads

209 You folks need to show up to townhalls....

Posted by: Nuclear SUV at August 08, 2013 04:02 PM (rUB/V)

Ehhh... those are for old people.

210 If republicans like Ace and his gang had not been bigots, then amnesty would not matter. Now your bigotry has come home to roost.

This is just awesome and seeing Ace give up makes my day.

211 Boehner is our own McClellan, except that McClellan didn't drink as much.

***

Delusions of adequacy.

212 Obama's at 41% approval. And the GOP reacts by supporting everything he wants.

--

And we now know it's because they want it, too.  Suckers, us. 

213 I have said locally I want to start the LOL party - Law & Order Libertarians

the basic premise is, no stupid overly complicated stuff, but the laws that are no brainers, especially in the criminal area like rape and murder, take off the stupid kid gloves and give the bad actors real punishment

I know its an overly simplistic message to start with, but everytime I talk to someone about my idea I find that their counter arguments tend to be pretty stupid and they have no response when I say "don't give a shit, if the guy doesn't want to wear a seatbelt he shouldn't be forced to, and if that means that the city cannot continue to pay 6 secretaries when they only need 1, those other 5 can find a job somewhere else"

214 Between 1932 and 1980, America was basically a one party state, but Dems had to be much more conservative due to the Old South being a Democrat monopoly


I wouldn't call the implementation of assorted socialist policies--Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, AFDC, on and on and on--" conservative."  Not even compared to the Obama-Pelosi-Reid years.

215 183 no, it would just hurt our party moron.

216 You can't beat Santa Claus
but you can seduce Missus

217 Excuse me but the pubs have won many battles only to have them overturned by lib Judges don't forget.

218 95 Seeing the defeatism on this blog warms my heart. The bigot brigade is demoralized and that is a great thing for America. Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 03:50 PM (SmQqB) _____________ Go ahead and gloat dude. But just remember, the drunk illegal who kills 5 people on his way home from the bar doesn't discriminate based on politics. Nor does the illegal who rapes women. Not the illegal who steals SS numbers, etc.

219 What we need is some kind of liquid that we can ingest that dulls the senses while at the same time creating a sense of euphoria and invincibility. It would also help if this liquid loosened the morals of women who drank it. We should drink this liquid until we're in a stupor and stop when the republican party comes to their senses, or Armageddon.

220 The way things are going I doubt Galt's Gulch will be anywhere in the US.

221 Some Gerbils plot to get out because they fear the cat less than they fear the duct tape.  Give the Republican Gerbils a taste of the 'duct tape' in the Primary season.

222 SMOD is close to our only hope. And I am damn serious. Only a National Tragedy will stop this death march the Country seems intent on

223 We hope this little disagreement won't keep you guys from responding to our urgent email alerts with a credit card number.

224 Get bulletproof, provide for your family's future. Everything else is wasted effort. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 04:06 PM (CJjw5) Says the man filling out Canadian naturalization forms. And who let Hector back in?

225 Awesome!  Can this go back to being an AnkaBlog, then?  The guys have gone without shirts for far too long, ace.

By the way, for what it's worth, I'm way more optimistic that you (seem to be) about America's long-term prospects.

226 82 I am glad Ace has thrown in the towel. Conservatism is finished and America will be a better place. Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 03:48 PM Please, describe how wonderful and superior North Korea or Nazi Germany is to America as founded.

227 That is not a cure.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 08, 2013 04:06 PM (sGtp+)[/]

it is in this case.  The host is the gov't and our current laws.  The problem is not "party" - it is human nature.  It is human nature to cease more and more power.  so, incumbents bring onto themselves more and more power that they shouldn't have.  It is human nature to do what is easy.  So incumbents pass feel good laws and ignore that pesky constitution.  It is human nature to want what others have, so people seek to grab what you have.

The constitution was written to combat human nature.  But, over time it has been corroded to the point of no longer working.  Simply creating a third party will do nothing.  Trying to change the GOP will do nothing.

228 obama to hold presser tomorrow Yeah like we don't know what he will say" obama good, Republicans Bad, Middle Class

229 the best move would be for conservatives and libertarians to do a stealth takeover of the GOP. kinda like what the commies did with the Dems.

230 We should have gone with the Bush plan eight years ago.

The plans aren't really that different - unserious border security claims and ammesty.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2013 04:06 PM (+NYjg)

 

Yes they are in addition to the increase in illegals  in  past eight years regardless of what the stats may claim. 

231 Obama's at 41% approval. And the GOP reacts by supporting everything he wants.

***

Boehner's idea of a head fake.

232 Oh, and this thread reminds me.  Take a look at Tepid Air in the left column.  The one about Christi leading in the polls.

233 Instead of a new party, why not a new country?  Why not a new federation with Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, some other Mountain and Southern states?  We've got natural resources, human resources, and a damned better record of governing ourselves than the US.  I would not view it as seceding from the United States so much as seceding in favor of a better United States.  Really, assuming (magically, I admit) that this could be done peacefully, what would prevent such a new country from succeeding?

That might make an interesting Open Thread: Why Not Secession?

234 Ace, The major political parties are nothing more than a coalition of different groups. The main function of the party is to build up campaign infrastructure. We do not need a third party. What we need is a coordinated political machine outside of the party. Then, we run our people in the GOP primary. That is what the Democrats did. Colorado is a prime example of that. We elect individuals, not party slates. Political parties are a tool. The GOP can be a useful tool. We don't have to take it over, but just use it.

235 There is a lot of ruin in a nation.

236 the best move would be for conservatives and libertarians to do a stealth takeover of the GOP. kinda like what the commies did with the Dems. Posted by: X at August 08, 2013 04:09 PM (KHo8t) The commie takeover of the dems was not stealth. It was there for all to see.

237 128 That Gerbil analogy brought a tear to my eye.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 08, 2013 03:55 PM (v1mq9)

_{Hey do my goat ! Ace isn't giving up he is staying true to his principles. Its the RINO's in DC who sold out and left their principles back home.}

238 206 rockmom

You are a voice of sanity and I realize there are more Republicans like you. Hopefully the bigot brigade will take their marbles and go home. Reasonable Republicans can take back their party and I can have a choice other than Commie Democrats to vote for.

I wish your faction well.

239 I don't think you are seeing "defeatism".  Rather you are seeing absolute frustration.  Heard Corsi interviewed on his new book.  He analyzed how the GOP lost and I found out the "software didn't work" rumor wasn't a rumor.  Up until the last minute Romney was confident that he'd won.  The numbers were on his side.  So what turned the tide?  The democrats had an amazing get out the vote program and software that literally figured out you didn't vote and sent you emails, personal emails from the president, until you did vote.   The republicans seem to be resisting these tools.  And, as long as the resist using the tools they're going to lose. 

I can't understand how, when poll after poll says Americans don't want an immigration bill now, the republicans think this is the most important thing of the year.   You have to wonder if there isn't a two party system anymore and the constituency is the last to know. Or, who is telling the republicans they need to do that?  Maybe lobbyists and democratic strategists in republican garb. 

240 The gerbil....it's coming from INSIDE YOUR PANTS!!!

241 Maybe we should have a sidebar with Republicans (We can't call them RINOs anymore if they're a majority of the party) with a running total of what they're guilty of. Might help for primarying these bastards. And yeah, I'm changing parties, too. Said that to the GOP caller last night begging me for more money. Never again.

242 Pervuia on the Gulf coast is looking damed appealing.

243 "For those of us who are done: You may have our acquiesensce but you will no longer have our votes." Why would you acquiesce?

244 obama to hold presser tomorrow He’s going to introduce Ace and Ace’s Fried Chicken. “I used to work as a blog moron, now I help you to get your chicken on.”

245 Meanwhile, I sit n Mass. watching the results of a totally corrupt one-party system at work.

Here. it's the taxpayer and legal resident that takes it on the chin.

It's the drones, welfare cheats and illegals who are in the driver's seat.

Just the other day, a Haitian welfare queen driving a 2006 Cadillac was pulled over after hitting a truck.  She was drunk, and had ten prior suspensions of her license.  She repeatedly called the arresting cops, bragged that she was on welfare, had three EBT cards in her possession, and threatened to put a voodoo curse on the arresting officers.


It's all here.  and it's the wave of the future.

http://tinyurl.com/m9xjyc9

See if you can read it w/o going into an Incredible Hulk transformation and heading for The Projects.

246 I agree, it's time for a "separation" thread.

247 I am glad Ace has thrown in the towel. Conservatism is finished and America will be a better place.

Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 03:48 PM

Enjoy the Obamatopia that today is Detroit and will be the entire country for a sky of tomorrows.

248
I knew this was coming, I knew there was nothing to stop it.




Gosh, I wonder if amnesty will pass by a narrow margin at the last minute? So close that, if we had just given a bit more money to the Republicans, we might have won?

It's just like slot machines always giving you two winning reels out of three, or a lottery ticket that always happens to get three matching numbers out of six.  Design the game so the suckers think they almost won, so they'll play some more.

249 206 For once, I agree with jwest. The day after George Bush's immigration bill went down, Republicans should have been crafting their own damn bill. But since this has somehow become a new litmus test for how conservative you are, I guess too many of them were scared to even touch the issue - and the reactions here seem to prove them right. The people who beat back Bush's bill apparently think they can keep killing these bills forever. It's possible they are right, but I would not count on it. It's irresponsible as a matter of policy for one party to have NO policy on the fate of 12 million people who are obviously not going anywhere. Posted by: rockmom at August 08, 2013 04:06 PM (Q4elb) Two idiots agreeing with each other.

250 It's not defeatism, chum. There are people on this blog with the means and the methods to fight back. It just won't be at the ballot box. Good luck, you are definitely going to need it. Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2013 03:55 PM (TOk1P) Word.

251 They can say it is my fault they are losibgf seats because I am not supporting them. To this I say, and I will paraphrase President Reagan: I did not leave the Republican party, the Republican Party left me.

252 I was done after Medicare-D and TARP.  I would have been outraged if a Democrat had initiated these measures, and the GOP had merely failed to oppose them with enough vigor. The fact that the GOP actually created these monstrosities was the end for me. 

And then there was Porkulus and ObamaCare.  And there was no opposition. 

It was not so much the passage of the actual legislation that demoralized me, that caused me to realize that there is no future in the Republican party.  Legislation comes and goes. 

What did it for me was the reasons the politicians gave.  The lack of comprehension, the deceptions, the values being expressed, the sense of history and economics, the basic philosophy of government, and the utter contempt and vitriol they showed at conservatives, economic libertarians and the rest of the (secular) base. 

I can't see where the GOP advocates a substantially different set of ethical principles than the Democrats. 

If the GOP won't stand for economic liberty and the defense of the rights in property, then what good are they?

253 Expanded gun rights are one of the few successes of the right over the past 30 years. But a major part of that was electing enough Repub Presidents who nominated enough Supreme Court judges to produce a winning margin for gun rights. Most of the gun rights votes were 5-4. Giving up has consequences.

254 US says peace talks to resume Aug. 14, settlement activity 'unacceptable' State Department says negotiations will be held in Jerusalem, Jericho; stresses Washington 'does not accept legitimacy of continued settlement activity' Hum but the palis calling for a pali state from river to sea is A OK with the State Department?

255 We've had a good run without a major crisis. We were actually going this way in the 30s. Then came World War II and Between 1932 and 1980, America was basically a one party state, but Dems had to be much more conservative due to the Old South being a Democrat monopoly There's going to be a major crisis. If we are very lucky, it will just be runaway interest rates that will cause payments on the debt to go through the roof. But people aren't libertarian. They just aren't. People want to use power to control their environment. Government is power, hence it can be used to get rid of all the things about the world we don't like. And when we think government is in our interest (even though politicians just claim to be) we have a need to make it act. It takes an advanced mind to consider that direct action by a direct hand is not the best outcome for a complex system.

256 You all are stupid. The GOP is not supporting amnesty. The democrats are, however we should support our party. Running away to the dumb libertarians is going to do nothing but establish democratic dominance. Hold the line.

257 I've gone as Galt as I can afford right now. Left the big city, moved to my small little island community that is pretty damn self-sufficient. Buy local whenever possible. local farms for food, etc. I have nobody representing me in this government. My views don't matter to them. Fuck 'em. Let them take this country down all on their own.

258 I guess there were some Washington Generals fans who rooted for them against the Globetrotters for years upon years, but i'm done of being of that ilk. I give up. Dump the bucket of confetti on me.

259 221 Mr. Moo Moo

The drunk white trash redneck getting DUIs worry me more.

I am glad Ace has called it quits. Now sensible Republicans can take back their party and offer non bigoted Righties like me an alternative from voting Communist.

Victory over bigotry is at hand. The modern KKK is almost dead!

260 You're kidding about an obama presser aren't you? I can't stand the thought of him up there in front of his slobbering fans, I mean media. Of course I wouldn't watch it but it's hard to avoid the snippets that make their way out from these "love" fests.....

261 I have a policy for the 11 or 12 million illegals.Enforce the fucking law as it stands.Deport them.

262 Screw the GOP.  I'm with you Ace!

263 If there's no GOP, then who would the Dems have around to blame their failures on? Who would be around to be called evil old white men who starve the children so the rich can get tax cuts?

Without the GOP, who would be the bad guys in an Aaron Sorkin movie?

264 There is no GOP. They are merely a wing of the Democrat Party. THE. END.

265 The only unknowables right now are how long the collapse lasts and what comes out the other side.

And when the collapse will truly begin.

And NO we're not there yet.

All it will take is the collapse of the world sovereign debt market due to one or more countries being unable to meet their obligations (could be us) OR the new Head of the Fed ignites uncertainty in the markets by mishandling the manipulation of interest rates and inflationary pressures.

It's like a very dry forest. You know it's a tinderbox but you don't know when it will go up in flames.

And all it takes is one spark at the hands of an idiot or a random unforeseen event.

266 "Crafting new bills" means jack shit when the current laws are not enforced. After years of watching the Feds and local jurisdictions unilaterally decide to not deport illegals, watching them hamstring those employers who DO want to avoid hiring illegals, watching them create an economy in which other employers see no reason NOT to hire them, watching health care and other benes dispersed to illegals without consequence, I am simply not interested in more fucking law-writing. We can't even get the ruling class to deport illegals who break the (other) laws, like DUIs. Don't tell me I am being the unreasonable one.

267 It's irresponsible as a matter of policy for one party to have NO policy on the fate of 12 million people who are obviously not going anywhere.

Posted by: rockmom at August 08, 2013 04:06 PM (Q4elb)

Straw man alert.  they would leave if we enforced our laws.  If we made it impossible for them to work, go to school, get entitlements, etc., they would self deport.

what you meant to say is - we don't want them to leave and we want to give them amnesty so we should give them amnesty. 

Getting them to leave would be fairly easy.  Just because they don't want to do it doesn't mean it would be hard.  Sure, a small percentage would stay - they wouldn't all leave.  But then it would be a manageable number.

Other straw man - we have to do something!!!!  Why?  They picked their current status voluntarily, and stay here because it is apparently better than where they came from.  So, from their perspective they have it good right now.  We don't owe them anything morally or legally - so why exactly do we have to have a policy on their fate?  Their fate is exactly what THEY CHOSE - to be here "in the shadows".  They can live and die in the shadows just like they chose to. That is their fate.

It is exactly this kind of thinking that means we are doomed.  You believe that we somehow owe other countries' citizens something.  That it is America's responsibility to take care of them and give them things.  Exactly how are you not a liberal?

268
Daniel Webster in Florida, Aaron Schock in Illinois — have expressed preliminary support

Forget those guys, Paul Ryan - VP candidate is all onboard.

As far as parties, I think there is an American Conservative Party that I will check out sometime when I am less disenchanted with the fed elections.

269 267 If there's no GOP, then who would the Dems have around to blame their failures on? Who would be around to be called evil old white men who starve the children so the rich can get tax cuts? Without the GOP, who would be the bad guys in an Aaron Sorkin movie? Posted by: kbdabear at August 08, 2013 04:15 PM (/9IC1) The Jooz!

270 Every time somebody says they know for certain what the next 20 years will bring ... they are being stupid. They are blinded by emotion and angsty wish-casting.

271 You can't destroy the Republican Party as a first priority, that will fail. Can you get Cruz/Paul to start some sort of caucus, one with an eye to spearheading a "Brand" change for the GOP? That's a reasonable goal, yet difficult enough to occupy the time and effort of those who really want to change things. A new Party out of the gate will absolutely lead to a twenty year slump from which no country could recover.

272 260 You all are stupid. The GOP is not supporting amnesty. The democrats are, however we should support our party. Running away to the dumb libertarians is going to do nothing but establish democratic dominance. Hold the line.

Posted by: Grouchos at August 08, 2013 04:14 PM (cm5Dy)

A lot of people are thinking third party. The shredder is enjoying the republican party requests for money.  For many Paul Ryan and Chris Christie's actions lately coupled with Romney's blabbering the other night were just the straws that broke the camel's back.

273 236 Instead of a new party, why not a new country? Why not a new federation with Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, some other Mountain and Southern states? We've got natural resources, human resources, and a damned better record of governing ourselves than the US. I would not view it as seceding from the United States so much as seceding in favor of a better United States. Really, assuming (magically, I admit) that this could be done peacefully, what would prevent such a new country from succeeding? That might make an interesting Open Thread: Why Not Secession? --- The eternal argument on the potential success of this has been "Can the new country of Texiana obtain nukes and, thus, guarantee their survival?"

274 Is it for real this time? I've been ready to quit before but you gave me hope again. I just want to be done with my heartache and hide from reality until it breaks down my door in jackboots because I posted here.

275 We elect individuals, not party slates. Political parties are a tool. The GOP can be a useful tool. We don't have to take it over, but just use it. Political parties aren't tools. Tools are passive and hapless. Political parties are groups of people with power, ambition, and cunning. You don't 'use' these people and have a 9-5 job doing something else.

276 You all are stupid. The GOP is not supporting amnesty. The democrats are, however we should support our party. Running away to the dumb libertarians is going to do nothing but establish democratic dominance. Hold the line. Posted by: Grouchos at August 08, 2013 04:14 PM (cm5Dy) ??? A) insulting us, or some of us, is a bad way to start a post B) Hold what line? Do you understand what is going on here. If the House passes any Immigration bill at all, the Senate expects to co-opt it and run with their own?

277

EC,

 

I'm executing  my plan to secure my family's future.  Hundreds  of years  ago,  my ancestors executed their  plan, by  leaving their  country for a better life  and a secure  future.  Almost everyone here is descended from immigrants.  Why is the notion of immigrating  to make a better life  so  distasteful? 

 

Incidentally, just got  my Ontario Provincial Nomination Certificate in the mail yesterday.  Next stop - permanent residency.

278
It's all just guns and ammo now. Only a matter of time.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 08, 2013 03:45 PM (X+nFp)

Indeed.

Which reminds me, Grafs has primers in stock right now. Just bought a case of small pistol primers this morning. They also had CCI 41s in stock for 5.56mm reloading. Get 'em while they're in stock.

279 Victory over bigotry is at hand. The modern KKK is almost dead!
Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 04:14 PM

So ergie, what do you consider "bigotry" that us evil right wingers say or do?

Your buddy Toure says "opposing tax hikes" is racism

280 the best move would be for conservatives and libertarians to do a stealth takeover of the GOP. kinda like what the commies did with the Dems.

Posted by: X at August 08, 2013 04:09 PM (KHo8t)

 

 

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We'd need a very large  segment of the population educated  on how the US government is Constitutionally set up  and, to say the least, become interested in the political process. 

 

Unfortunately, our education system has made sure that  most of the voting age population is knowledgable about neither.

281 If they would enforce the laws we already have we wouldn't have this problem.  What makes you think they are going to enforce any new laws.  This pathway bs is just that.  Bullshit.  As soon as it passes you know Chuckie Schumer will be in front of a camera saying it's unfair that they are paying taxes and can't vote, blah, blah, blah.

282 Between 1932 and 1980, America was basically a one party state, but Dems
had to be much more conservative due to the Old South being a Democrat
monopoly.

---

Ummmm .... no.

There has always been an element of Marxists on the left  (see Wilson and Roosevelt)..... but by and large the party of Truman and Kennedy and to a degree LBJ are where Republicans are today.  

I always laugh at libs that say Reagan couldnt be nominated today.   The truth is that JFK with strong defense, tax cuts to stimulate the economy and American excellence would derided today as "extreme right wing positions" by our leftarded brethren.

Whats really changed is the surge of the Marxist wing of the Democrat Party, since the Clinton years, has seized the reins largely through the efforts of Mr Soros.

You REALLY want to have a chance at change..... you need to rip out the Hungarian Marxists influence at its roots.

283 the best move would be for conservatives and libertarians to do a stealth takeover of the GOP. kinda like what the commies did with the Dems.

Posted by: X at August 08, 2013 04:09 PM (KHo8t)

You know what that means? It means you go to the meetings, you show up, you are an outsider, a volunteer, an intern. You don't sit in on the strategy sessions. You don't make policy. You get assignments based on how well you carried out the last assignment. In order to gain credibility with the party leadership you have to win their approval. You work for them, and your (our, conservative) policies don't work to advance the party leadership.

If you want to gain influence with the GOP you have to think like a union organizer, or an outside special interest group. You have to show up at a GOP leadership meeting representing multiple millions of other voters who you have influence over. So look what happens to the GOP interest groups, the Family Research Council, or Focus on the Family or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lr9asnz

284 I just want the right people punished.

If say 90% of Republicans in the House votes against Amnesty, is it really fair to dump the whole Party and go somewhere else?  Maybe.

I will say though that if something resembling the Senate bill ends up passing, it won't matter, it will just be a slow motion burn for the next few decades.  I just don't see some "perfect" form of government rising up, that's not usually how these things go in human history.

One point, these people that say "I knew the GOP was done when Romney was nominated", Romney was probably the most anti-illegal immigrant nominee the GOP has had in several generations. 

Reagan actually passed a blanket amnesty, Dubya tried and failed, McCain was doing his best with Kennedy, etc.  Romney was one of the few that actually took a pretty tough stand, vetoing the "DREAM" act in Massachusetts (unlike Perry) and calling for self-deportation.

285 Incidentally, just got my Ontario Provincial Nomination Certificate in the mail yesterday. Next stop - permanent residency. 
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 04:16 PM (CJjw5)

Punch a smug Canadian liberal for me.  Or two.  Or three.  

286

So I have retreated into a sort of philosophical take on it all. Politics isn't fun when you always lose and worse yet your team plays to lose, because secretly they have a great deal of affection for and allegiance to the other side.

There's no point plotting this move and that move; all moves are failures and result in the same dismal outcome. I don't know if it is an effective strategy to just retreat into the completely impractical/philosophical, but I do know I have no interest in playing a ludicrous game in which there is only one set of permissible moves and only one permitted outcome.

**********

This is where I'm at.  It's where I've been since the 2012 election, although I don't necessarily attribute my bitterness JUST to Republicans but also, to an extent, the American voting public as a whole, because they're either too gullible or lazy to really make intelligent choices about the future of their country.

I used to be way more interested in politics.  And I still am interested, obviously, because I still read a political blog like this daily, but I discuss it and debate it a lot less, really.

Because what's the point.  The "right" always seems to lose, in part because the media and those who control education and entertainment are in collusion with the left, but also in part because the GOP doesn't really want to win (it would appear), and frankly, most Americans seem content to just go along with the ride as we keep speeding towards the cliff.

It's just endlessly depressing. 

So might as well just sit back, as we slouch towards Gehenna, and wait for the inevitable crash.

287 I'm keeping a list

I'll be checking it twice

When the shit hits the fan

Don't plan on me being nice

Santa LIB is coming to town...

288 When I first saw the phrase "Gerbil Out Party" I thought for sure there was going to be a reference to Richard Gere.

289 Why not a new federation with Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, some other Mountain and Southern states? ---- Utah is fairly soft on illegals.

290
???
A) insulting us, or some of us, is a bad way to start a post
B) Hold what line? Do you understand what is going on here. If the House passes any Immigration bill at all, the Senate expects to co-opt it and run with their own?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2013 04:16 PM (9Xc5j)

I think the Blaze has an audio of Michelle Bachman explaining why this is so important and how it will be corrupted in the Senate after the House passes it.  She was of the opinion that the house should pass nothing.  Obviously, during the golf game, Mr. Trump convinced Boehner that this was the best course of action.

291

260 -

 

Call people stupid, then ask for their support.... yep, you ARE a Republican. 

292 And we will all be Detroit in 20 years, or less. And I say that not to be histrionic or over-the-top dramatic. Posted by: Lady in Black at August 08, 2013 04:04 PM (LFvB+) Detroit is a best case scenario. With Detroit, it happened over decades and we saw it coming. With America as a whole, we've been running on our buld up cultural stock for a while now. When it runs out we'll be in mid-flight. Nothing will remain. And the sad thing is that the Progressives want it to burn.

293 Sorry Ace but that gerbil thing....it is too inside b-ball or something. It sucks to the casual observer.

294

I propose an alternative solution:

Vote against every incumbent, irrespective of party, irrespective of level of government, irrespective of office, for the next 4 to 5 election cycles.

The current political class must be purged.  Voting against all incumbents is the only way to do it.

295 Posted by: Winners always gloat at August 08, 2013 04:19 PM (7/Z2O) Piers, is that you?

296

I have gerbils (7 of them). They never escape. Just saying.

297 I think the Blaze has an audio of Michelle Bachman explaining why this is so important and how it will be corrupted in the Senate after the House passes it. She was of the opinion that the house should pass nothing. Obviously, during the golf game, Mr. Trump convinced Boehner that this was the best course of action. Posted by: caustic at August 08, 2013 04:18 PM (/b8+5) Exactly. Just as the Wopper in War Games said: The only way to win is not to play

298 I just wanna say thanks to the morons who told me it was going to be a better day this morning.

I ignored dumb coworker, crazy coworker is on vacation, I have a new hot water heater, my internet is back and husband forgives my idiocy.  It has been a much, much better day. 

It's also amazing how wonderful a hot shower can be.

299   And the sad thing is that the Progressives want it to burn. 
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 08, 2013 04:19 PM (Vk2pI)

Step 1.)  Burn it all down
Step 2.) ????
Step 3.)  Socialist Utopia!   

300 292 And the sad thing is that the Progressives want it to burn. Posted by: The Political Hat at August 08, 2013 04:19 PM (Vk2pI) And Billy Ayers will lead us all to the "showers."

301
Go get laid, Ace.
August ain't over and you should know better than to broadcast the enemies propaganda. All you you're doing is getting everybody down.
Time enough for this "woe is me" bullshit after after we actually lose.

302

Ace,

You'd want out of the cage too if you were in my shoes.  Just sayin'.

303
I have a policy for the 11 or 12 million illegals.
Posted by: steevy




Have you got one for 60 million? Becasue that's what we actually need:

The number of people in the United States who speak a language other than English at home has nearly tripled over the past three decades, far outpacing the overall population growth, U.S. data released on Tuesday showed.

Some 60.6 million people, or nearly one in five people in the United States aged 5 or older, spoke a language other than English at home in 2011, according to the report. That is up from 23 million in 1980, or almost one in 11.

304 >>Posted by: McAdams at August 08, 2013 04:18 PM (40nki) I've been really impressed by the leadership Mitt has shown on this issue. His speeches rallying so-called fiscal issues Republicans to not support shamnesty have been so effective.

305 Emigration to Canada or elsewhere is a completely rational choice,especially if you have children.I will live and die an American.

306 Don't listen to these people, ace - I got the gerbil story.

307 A) insulting us, or some of us, is a bad way to start a post

***

The establishment Republicans have been insulting us for decades but they take our votes for granted. 

308 2013 is the time to stop the Democrats! ...by passing everything they wanted in 2008. That'll fix 'em!

309 Two idiots agreeing with each other.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 08, 2013 04:12 PM (N2D9o)

 

Make that three. 

310 And Billy Ayers will lead us all to the "showers." --- If the Suede Denim Secret Police show up at my front door, I may need to greet them in a manner recommended by Joe Biden.

311

Even the House GOP whip, Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), announced support for legal status, although he stopped just short of supporting full citizenship.

 

Grumble, grumble, grumble. Shame he runs unopposed. The Democrats usually don't even bother to run anyone against him.

 

312 I'm executing my plan to secure my family's future. I'm fucking with you, Jeff! Jeebus! Ofcourse, I still hold my Canadian passport and could easily get my family into Canada again if I ever decide to execute my "Escape From USA" plan. We could watch the fires together, standing on the top deck of the Fallsview Casino and Resort. Holding hands.

313

When I've explained to people the gerbil point, I've called it "the naughty cat" principle, but it's the same idea.   You're smarter than a cat, but if all the indoor cat thinks about is sneaking outside, eventually he will, because it's his sole purpose and you have other interests.   Same for gerbils, and bastard politicians.   You just have to have a system that minimizes the damage. 

314 On the plus side, the common core curriculum tanked NYC test scores even further than they already were. Oh, I meant depressing side. Sorry.

315 All I have to say is #BringIt.

316 >>And the sad thing is that the Progressives want it to burn. This was always the goal of Alinsky politics. Crash the system by overloading it with freeloaders, welfare, food stamps, illegals, etc., and then build a new system from the ruins for the leeches and by the leeches. We are just the cows to be milked for our labor and money. People are being naive if they don't think this was precisely the plan. Just read the friggin book. The whole game plan is laid out very clearly.

317 314 On the plus side, the common core curriculum tanked NYC test scores even further than they already were. Oh, I meant depressing side. Sorry. --- Apparently the reason why is that the right people haven't implemented it yet on a big enough scale. /Lib logic

318 Don't listen to these people, ace - I got the gerbil
story.

 

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2013 04:21 PM (IS2o0)

 

------------------------

 

Did it hit  you "right there?"

 

***points to butt***

 

I keed, I keed!

319 Did it hit you "right there?" ***points to butt*** I keed, I keed! --- What, what? In the butt?

320 Do you mean gerbils as in the animal or gerbels as in the nazi?

321 To combine two threads, I motion the Redskins be named after GOP amnesty supporters: the Washington Weasels. The alliterative aspect makes it better than the Washington Fuckwits.

322 "the american political system hates a vacuum of one sided dominance so what will happen, eventually, is some sort of political realignment."

And I, for one, am looking forward to a choice between the Democrats and the PRI.

323 297 I think the Blaze has an audio of Michelle Bachman explaining why this is so important and how it will be corrupted in the Senate after the House passes it. She was of the opinion that the house should pass nothing. Obviously, during the golf game, Mr. Trump convinced Boehner that this was the best course of action. Posted by: caustic at August 08, 2013 04:18 PM (/b8+5) Exactly. Just as the Wopper in War Games said: The only way to win is not to play Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 08, 2013 04:20 PM (9Xc5j) Hands ngu some febreeze to get out the odor of cat urine.

324 Hold the line.

--

Hold what line?  It's not us you need to be telling that to.  It's Webster, Schock and McCarthy (and I'm sure others).

325 don't forget, if we want to win, we need candidates who are more moderate than Romney. Maybe we can run the corpse of Arlen Spector; at least if he wins he won't be able to sign any shitty bills into law.

326 Given their silence about illegally giving an Obamacare waiver to themselves and their staff, I kinda figured they would cave on amnesty. 1 Cruz just aint enough to save us.

327

We could watch the fires together, standing on the top deck of the Fallsview Casino and Resort.

Holding hands.

 

Posted by: EC at August 08, 2013 04:22 PM (GQ8sn)

 

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Decent!  It'd be like Sleepless In Seattle,  but with two dudes!

328 I'm reading Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire now. I always thought that the analogies between Rome and the US were strained at best, but now I'm not so sure.

329 Did it hit you "right there?" ***points to butt*** I keed, I keed! It touched me in a way I can't quite describe.

330 The GOP will survive just fine without you guys in the party. Your ideas cost us senate seats that we otherwise could have used to help promote conservatism in the senate. Nevada, Delaware, Colorado, Missouri, Wisconsin, and Indiana.

331 The zombies want in and it's impossible to stay awake 24/7 keeping them out. They are going to get in. An American Carol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyesNstdG04

332

Haven't read anything, but though I should note I just put in an email to someone:

The Ace of Spades Style guide requires me to reply to the article: "Get your facts straight, but first you will blow me"  Recognizing that such a response is suitable only for the depths of the internet that I live in, perhaps a better response

 

(Fear not, it was a friend of the horde.)

333 The democrats had an amazing get out the vote program and software that literally figured out you didn't vote and sent you emails, personal emails from the president, until you did vote. The republicans seem to be resisting these tools. And, as long as the resist using the tools they're going to lose. Posted by: caustic at August 08, 2013 04:10 PM (/b8+5) Say hello to President Cory Booker, then: http://tinyurl.com/k7so92e

334 You nerds didn't get the gerbil story? From capital 'M' to lower case 'm' morons.

335 326 When I started making the analogy it was strained,now,not so much.

336 I didn't get anywhere with the hot chick at the club by proclaiming my love for Obama, but her fat friend wanted someone to dance with

337 The Wasteland fantasies are just that. Everything isn't going to burn. That's just a retard fantasy. Europe and Japan are far further down this road than we are. Decades furthers. Has everythiing burned down there? Is Tokyo rubble? No. These retarded apocalypse fantasies are nonsense. Things will get shittier. And America will get poorer and things will suck more if we keep making stupid choices. But everything isn't going to burn. Serious. These are quasi-religious fantasies. They aren't realistic projections of what might actually happen. There's a reason every religious freak starts babbling about the "burning times' when they go crazy. It's so common, it's a cliche. But it's not real. And you aren't being wise or profound when you mistake fantasies from books for the real world.

338 Decent! It'd be like Sleepless In Seattle, but with two dudes! And hey! We're in Niagara Falls! *bats eyes*

339 It touched me in a way I can't quite describe.

Show us on the doll.

340 Gerbil Credit: Steve_in_hb wants credit as he first explained the Gerbil Principle to me. Except he said Hamsters. I changed it to gerbils "to make it my own."


Boo-ya, Ace.

341 The eternal argument on the potential success of this has been "Can the new country of Texiana obtain nukes and, thus, guarantee their survival?"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 08, 2013 04:16 PM (/Crba)

 

 

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We steal them on the way out.  One of the elements of succession that has worried me is access to communications, like satelites.  But a guy knowledgable in the field told me that DC couldn't cut off satelite communications for some of us without cutting it off for everyone. 

 

Other types of communication could be re-arrainged by going back to using towers and tall buildings.  It worked very well for us once, it could work again.  Plus, where does one think the prime technical people would want to live if there was a split?  Also, hackers will become our friends.  

342 Lets get this over with and go full Mad Max, and then it'll get sorted out the old fashioned way.

343

Still  waiting   for someone to explain how it matters who's in the  GOP when we have a  majority  Free Shitter voting populace.

 

DOOM.

 

It's not just for breakfast anymore.

344 " I always thought that the analogies between Rome and the US were strained at best, but now I'm not so sure.Posted by: joncelli at August 08, 2013 04:25 PM " We're seeing the end of Pax Americana

345 Pffft...And Rinse Prius has the BALLS to ask us for money with one of those cock-a-mamy Republican surveys they send out every year. Who in their right mind actually fills those things out AND send the RNC money?


Fuck. Them.

 

346 The Republican's "tools" were almost certainly sabotaged.

347 I like the "Washington Entitllelists. It sums up the attitude of a number of people who live and work there.

348 Hold what line? It's not us you need to be telling that to. It's Webster, Schock and McCarthy (and I'm sure others). Posted by: Lady in Black at August 08, 2013 04:25 PM (LFvB+) And those traitors in the Senate who set this senario up and sold us down the river

349 The Republican's "tools" were almost certainly sabotaged. I dunno. If Mitt Romney didnÂ’t demand a stress test, then he deserved losing. Software never works on the first try. We didnÂ’t, though.

350 The GOP will survive just fine without you guys in the party. Your ideas cost us senate seats that we otherwise could have used to help promote conservatism in the senate.

Nevada, Delaware, Colorado, Missouri, Wisconsin, and Indiana.

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Yeah, betraying the base is always a smart move. 

351

#267 - you're nuts.  They are in the underground all-cash economy, just like millions of American citizens that our government also doesn't know exist.  As long as people need day laborers and nannies and people to pick up the trash and get the weeds out of their yards, these people are going to stay.  You can't build an immigration enforcement force big enough to bust every Tom, Dick, and Harriet who wants to save a few bucks - and get good work done fast - by getting a bunch of illegals to do it.  It would take 2X the entire fucking National Guard.  This notion of self-deportation is just ignorant of the reality of what has been going on in this country for the last 25 years. 

 

As long as it is possible to fake a Social Security card, they are going to stay.   Please tell me how you stop people from faking Social Security cards. 

 

Democrats are desperate to make all these people legal, primarily to get them paying into Social Security and paper over the impending bankruptcy of the SS fund.   Liberal policies over the last 50 years have made sure we otherwise will not have enough people working to support the massive numbers of Baby Boomers when we all retire.   They can't raise the payroll tax any higher and they won't cut benefits or significantly raise the retirement age. 

352 Still waiting for someone to explain how it matters who's in the GOP when we have a majority Free Shitter voting populace. DOOM. It's not just for breakfast anymore. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 04:27 PM (CJjw5) Like I said above: feedback loop for the dems.

353 The eternal argument on the potential success of this has been "Can the new country of Texiana obtain nukes and, thus, guarantee their survival?"

Meh.  I'm just not sure that even matters anymore.  Popping a can of sunshine on anyone  is a media nightmare anymore.  Hell, look at the Hiroshima threads from yesterday.

Besides...Pantex.

Long Live Texiana!  Gig 'em!

354 Gorram it, now I want fried chicken.

355

The way to handle the multiple situations we have is to put together a new Contract With America.  In it, we can have our healthcare plan, immigration plan, gun control, tax plan and whatever else we want.

 

We school the incumbents and the potential candidates so that they can speak intellegently on the plans and make the 2014 midterms a real cause.

 

Everyone hates Obamacare.  No one but the craziest of liberals wants to give citizenship to illegals.  Everyone agrees that criminals and crazies shouldn't have guns (but everyone else should).  Everyone but the same liberals agree we can't have the highest corporate taxes in the world.

 

This is all obvious stuff that 75% of the country agrees on without any conversation. 

 

2014 could be a transforming sweep election that sets the direction of the country for a generation.

 

All we need is a fucking plan.

356 Nevada, Delaware, Colorado, Missouri, Wisconsin, and Indiana. Say hi to Senators McMahon and Fiorina for me, too. And give Senator Scott Brown my best.

357

328 -

 

Nobody's ideas lost Missouri, genius.  Nominating a nincompoop did. 

 

YOUR nincompoop.  Not the Tea Party's, not conservatives'.  Yours. 

358 Okay so is the Tea Party hamsters? Or are they the real gerbils who....oh forget it.

359

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 04:27 PM (CJjw5)

 

Yup.  Free shit is hard to beat and anything negative gets blamed on the Republicans.  Last month, 69% in a Gallup survey still blame Bush for this economy.

360 Time enough for this "woe is me" bullshit after after we actually lose.

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I prefer the forewarning.  That way, when the woe comes, I can buy a new top and fix my hair.  For the occasion, of course.

361
They should change the name of the Washington Redskins to one of the three I have chosen,


1) Washington Pilgrims

2) Washington Pioneers

3) Washington Militia


I personally like number 3, but number 2 is a good compromise. It gives the American Indian Tribes what they want, to be erased from history and popular culture.

362 I just want the right people punished. If say 90% of Republicans in the House votes against Amnesty, is it really fair to dump the whole Party and go somewhere else? Maybe. Posted by: McAdams at August 08, 2013 04:18 PM (40nki) Yes, because the vote is pre-determined. Those not in a safe district can vote against it, knowing it will pass anyway. Same as when GOP Senators vote for cloture but against the bill. They know full well they're going to get away with it. The public has NO IDEA they're lying their asses off when they insist they voted against whatever it is the public woke up from Honey Boo Boo reruns and decided to be pissed off about.

363

There's a reason every religious freak starts babbling about the "burning times' when they go crazy. It's so common, it's a cliche.

But it's not real. And you aren't being wise or profound when you mistake fantasies from books for the real world.

 

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 08, 2013 04:27 PM (ZPrif)

 

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That's the kind of  talk that gets  you strapped to the front  bumper  of The Humungous' machine.

364 If there's no GOP, then who would the Dems have around to blame their failures on? Who would be around to be called evil old white men who starve the children so the rich can get tax cuts? Without the GOP, who would be the bad guys in an Aaron Sorkin movie? Posted by: kbdabear at August 08, 2013 04:15 PM (/9IC1) The left will always have "reich-wingers" to blames, just as the Soviets always had Kulaks to blameÂ…

365 I see that ergie is moving between the wi-fi at the McDonald's and The Bridal Shop at the mall to avoid Ace's banhammer

366 This "burning" end-times fantasy talk is like listening to two anorexics encourage each other in their warped perceptions of body image. It's not healthy and, more importantly, it's not accurate. It's like listening to paranoid black dudes talk about how America is the KKK and everything in America is a conspiracy to enslave the black man. Encouraging these delusions in each other isn't smart, wise, accurate, or healthy.

367 "The eternal argument on the potential success of this has been "Can the new country of Texiana obtain nukes and, thus, guarantee their survival?" Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 08, 2013 04:16 PM (/Crba) l " Well, we've historically had a "come and take them" attitude towards giving back weapons so I'm sure we'll be well defended.

368 20 years? Well fuck it all then, I will be dead.

369 But it's not real. And you aren't being wise or profound when you mistake fantasies from books for the real world. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 08, 2013 04:27 PM (ZPrif) You are 90% right. But Japan et al are protected by the US, which is still going along ok... for now. What happens once the checks stock being cut? What happens when the Fed can't print its way out?

370 But everything isn't going to burn.  Serious. These are quasi-religious fantasies. They aren't realistic projections of what might actually happen.  There's a reason every religious freak starts babbling about the "burning times' when they go crazy. It's so common, it's a cliche.  But it's not real. And you aren't being wise or profound when you mistake fantasies from books for the real world. 

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 08, 2013 04:27 PM (ZPrif)

Phew, that's a relief!

371 Welcome to the world of impotent fury, Ace.

When I first started reading this blog and commenting in '07, I was vigorously rallying against the presumptive nominee John McCain. This was bad for the GOP, I declared. Worse than Bush's compromises.

We got McCain (and Obama)...then Obamacare, with a complicit GOP refusing to filibuster...and the rest...

I remember watching McCain's convention acceptance speech and deciding that day I was done as a member of the GOP. Changed my affiliation to 'independent' the next day.

I was derided for being a "purist".

And again when I opposed Romney.

Decided to lurk because I grew tired of it.

Odd thing is, I'd have to be a member of the party for me to want it to be 'pure'. And seriously, what exactly is wrong with being a purist? Holding to the ideals and refusing to compromise the things this party once said it believed in?

Much as I like a lot of what the Libertarians stand for, I can't subscribe to their Pro Choice and Pro Legalization platforms.

I'll sign on to the Constitution Party when it's formed, and I don't care how small it is for the next few decades.

Romney was the last time I vote while holding my nose and then taking a shower.

I am pro-immigration. And I am STAUNCHLY anti-illegal-immigration. There's nothing racist about that. I don't want anyone, from any other country, coming to this country undocumented and not paying taxes. There is no other country that has this sizeable a population of undocumented immigrants.

No. Other. Country.

I'd say enforce the laws we have but no one wants to, not even the "Right".

So let it burn - not because I want it to - but because it's going to anyway.

Then rebuild.

372 344 The Republican's "tools" were almost certainly sabotaged.

Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2013 04:28 PM (9XBK2)

Probably true but, knowing your opponent is very important.  They should have had a triple back up and let them sabotage one tool and they would have had the remainder. 

Plus, Corsi talked about how the left "frames" people.  It sounded more like MSM imprisonment of ideas to me but essentially he felt rand paul had already been framed to make him ineligible for the presidency.  The MSM and the dem party decide how they will "frame" you and for some reason, you can never recover.  ie, o'donnel the witch.  nuff said.

373 34% that's all we'll need to win.

374 Oh, for fuck's sake, Ace quits the GOP three times a month.   Remember back in 2005 when the OMG! SHAMNESTY! debacle was in full swing?  Ace posted a pissy little photoshopped gravestone for the GOP.  I believe his words were, "It was a good party while it lasted."  Awww, widdle baby Ace is all pouty because the GOP doesn't revolve around him!

Better yet, the way Ace is sneeringly contemptuous of what he calls the "abortion jihadists" when he is nothing more than a SHAMNESTY jihadist.

Hey, Ace, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.  Have fun pissing your vote down your leg on a third party.   The GOP doesn't need you, doesn't want you and would be better off without you.

375 That's the kind of talk that gets you strapped to the front bumper of The Humungous' machine. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 08, 2013 04:31 PM (CJjw5) "This Lord Humungous...he sounds like a reasonable fellow. Maybe we can negotiate with him."

376 This immigration stuff is just icing on the cake for me today.  I've got cochlear implants and one needed to be removed the other day as it wasn't working. The insurance I have at my current employer doesn't cover replacement.  They cover gender reassignment surgery though so in case I ever decide to be like erg I have that shit going for me.

That's not the end of the world, as I'll either find a a job where insurance does cover it or save up and get the procedure done out of pocket if I have to, but I could just go the easy route and whine to Uncle Sugar about it or go on disability.

Honestly, always trying to be the responsible adult in society gets pretty damned tiresome after a while.  At least I have my violent fantasies to keep me warm when it's cold outside.

377 Why are the numbers all messed up? Lots of references to comments by number that are clearly wrong.

378 This was always the goal of Alinsky politics. Crash the system by overloading it with freeloaders, welfare, food stamps, illegals, etc., and then build a new system from the ruins for the leeches and by the leeches. We are just the cows to be milked for our labor and money.

People are being naive if they don't think this was precisely the plan. Just read the friggin book. The whole game plan is laid out very clearly.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2013 04:23 PM (g1DWB)

 

 

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You are correct, sir.

379 The gerbil....it's coming from INSIDE YOUR PANTS!!! Posted by: Movie quotes for 100 at August 08, 2013 04:11 PM (d3X9n) Oh, Jesus Christ!

380 Here's a good starter menu for our new party platform:

REPEAL:
the 16th Amendment
the 17th Amendment

EXPAND:
the 22nd Amendment to include Congressional elections

DISSOLVE
Department of Education
Department of Energy
Housing and Urban Development
Health and Human Services
Homeland Security
Department of Labor
Department of Transportation

ADD:
Amendment to codify and clarify exact qualifications for all national offices

381 The GOP will survive just fine without you guys in the party. Your
ideas cost us senate seats that we otherwise could have used to help
promote conservatism in the senate.

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So .... the plan is to elect people who really dont believe in conservatism so that we can promote conservatism in the Senate.

o_O

382 2014 could be a transforming sweep election that sets the direction of the country for a generation.

All we need is a fucking plan.


Since when is stocking up on Macallans not a plan?

383 Ha, yeah.   World on fire - what loons.   

384 Posted by: SGT. York at August 08, 2013 04:31 PM (k4ehJ)

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

385 New one^

386 But everything isn't going to burn. Serious. These are quasi-religious fantasies. They aren't realistic projections of what might actually happen. 1929. But with a WHOLE lot less moral people.

387 Nevada, Delaware, Colorado, Missouri, Wisconsin, and Indiana.

You can take Indiana off that list...Lugar loved him some fucking amnesty when he was in office.

388 "Next week advocates plan a caravan in more than 100 cities,  with 1,100 cars and floats to represent the 11 million undocumented, all meeting in front of McCarthyÂ’s  office.


I'm sure not one-tenth of those people will show up, but just the thought of it makes the GOP pee in their pants and cave.

I'm done too. I've been an Independent for years and will stay that way. I will not give any more money for presidential candidates who have a chance to win but throw it away. I will save it in my mattress for the bad days to come.

LIB.

389 <<Encouraging these delusions in each other isn't smart, wise, accurate, or healthy.>>

There are some Visigoths at the Northern Gates who would like a word with you.

390 >>>There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance.

Don't worry ace. I know it hurts now, but when all the hope inside you dies, you'll feel a lot better.

I've been racking my head with an expansion of the Jeffersonian Tree of Liberty along with the men are not angels concept. I call it The Free Society Paradox. In a society where both ideologies of collectivism and individualism occur, governed by a representative government, the natural greediness for power of man will perturb the representative government. Within the caucus that supports collectivism that greediness for power aligns with collectivist goals of a more powerful governing body. Within the individualist caucus the greediness for power is at odds with the goals of individualism which is to weaken government influence. In this way the caucus for more powerful government will always be unified and the caucus for smaller government always divided. Within this framework where both ideologies share a fairly even representation in the population government is ensures a continual bias for more powerful government that eventually deprives the society of freedom. In short no free society which has both a representative government and accepts the concept of the philosophy of collectivism to be valid and socially acceptable will remain free. So paradoxically to remain free a society has to either not have representative government, OR certain types of philosophies have to be socially unacceptable to the point depriving those that hold them of participation, both of which are hallmarks of a society that isn't free. What I'm not quite sure of is whether randomly selecting your representatives instead of using popular manages this problem so long as collectivism is kept sufficiently small.

Oh and F*CK REPUBLICANS. I'm done. I'm ready for full Democrat control again. LET IT BURN.

391 Hey, Ace, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Have fun pissing your vote down your leg on a third party. The GOP doesn't need you, doesn't want you and would be better off without you.

Posted by: Fart at August 08, 2013 04:32 PM (2aB+q)

Wow, you are a prime example of being totally unaware of what is going on in the real world around you.  At least ace sees the world as it is, not as he'd want it to be.  You talk as though you think the republican party is still viable.  You'll see next election.  The base, tea party sympathizers, won't come out unless they want to come out. And, youse guys can't win without the base, so good luck with that.

392 >>The Wasteland fantasies are just that. Everything isn't going to burn. That's just a retard fantasy. When was the last time you were in Detroit or Newark? Europe and Japan are not the model. Japan is a homogenous society and until recently so was most of Europe (where many of the large cities are indeed turning into wastelands). These places, for all their faults, largely believed in the greater good and were in it together despite their differences. America is different. It was built on a culture of from many into one. Immigrants and people of different cultures were welcomed but expected to become a part of the American culture and ethic. That is the heart of this immigration debate despite the idiots who keep calling racism. This country is losing the spirit and ethic that made it America first. We are becoming a balkanized location of groups, all pulling in their own direction for their own little goals. Look around. Look at the cities. Strip away the PC bullshit and look at what's happening all around us. This is the future the liberals are pushing on us. Not Tokyo, Detroit.

393 375 That happens when comments get disappeared by the banhammer.

394 This is all Psy Ops by the MSM and the left.....  We're being 'nudged' to stop fighting . . . . I have no outrage left in me after the last 5 years as I'm sure was their plan.   The 2010 elections may have been the last gasp that they squashed with all the tools of the Leviathan.   Maybe I'll feel different after a Jamesons.

395 "In the past few days, two Republican members of the House of Representatives ... have expressed preliminary support for a way to legalize undocumented immigrants ... . Even the House GOP whip, Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), announced support for legal status,... ." Yes, this is a problem, but not cause to abandon the 'R's ... at least not yet. Giving up means: 1. ObamaCare stays, until it crashes and takes us with it, 2. We get what's in the rest of Obamnesty, all 1500 unread pages of it. The House is dealing with political pressure, and a loud protest of 100 illegals and supporters is visual and effective, more so, unfortunately, than tens of thousands of constituents. The House needs support, and maybe pressure. Reminding them of the surprises in ObamaCare, and the upcoming ones in Obamnesty should be a start. Now is not the time to give up.

396 Honestly, always trying to be the responsible adult in society gets pretty damned tiresome after a while. -- Sorry to hear about your insurance stuff, Lemmenkainen. And, yeah, it blows trying to be responsible.

397 354 in some of the toughest states they preformed well. In RED STATES of Missouri, Indiana, and in winnable races for Colorado, Delaware, Nevada, and Wisconsin the GOP nominated candidates that people such as nut jobs like yourselves voted for. Akin was never MY candidate, my candidate I wanted to win there was Steelman. Nut jobs such as yourselves (plurality) supported Akin. Why else did he win the primary? Most normal republicans such as myself didn't support that guy.

398
Romney was probably the most anti-illegal immigrant nominee the GOP has had in several generations.
Posted by: McAdams




Yep.  That's what I remember about the election, Romney, his voice trembling with barely suppressed rage, declaring that we are a nation of laws and that laws will be enforced -- including immigration. Out of the country and back of the line, he said.

But I've been cleaning the oven and it just might be the effects from the Easy-Off fumes.

399 So let it burn - not because I want it to - but because it's going to anyway. Then rebuild. Posted by: SGT. York at August 08, 2013 04:31 PM (k4ehJ) The flaw in this reasoning is that the Progressives will beat you to that. And when they rebuild, there will be nothing left worth protecting. Once it burns, it's gone for good. You will not rebuild. Your corpse will be what their Progressive utopia is build out ofÂ…

400 Embrace your inner sexual predator, young Democrat!  We're a party on the move!

401 While I agree amnesty is inevitable at some point, I'm not sure it's this congress. Boehner's promise to use the Hastert Rule even for the conference bill was pretty conclusive. His Speakership ends if he doesn't keep this promise: it would be breaking the promise more than amnesty itself. I also think many House republicans have realized there's nothing in it for them. They'll get no credit from Latinos now, legitimately (as opposed to the civil rights bill which a higher % of republicans voted for than democrats) because this is essentially an almost all D effort. The issue doesn't " go away" either because dems will continue to pound Rs saying things like "why should these legal taxpayers not have a right to obamacare, why should they wait so long to be able to vote?" Actually, the only way I can see them losing the house is if they pass the gang of eight and Latino turnout swells (in gratitude to the Ds) and white turnout craters in rage at the Rs. I think most of them know this. Something may pass this congress, but if so it won't look like the gang of 8 (IMO).

402 Why are the numbers all messed up? Lots of references to comments by number that are clearly wrong. Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2013 04:33 PM (5H6zj) Don't reference comments by number. Solves that problem. But nobody listens. It's because comments by banned visitors, gross trolling etc are deleted. TB3K sometimes takes a little while to delete the posts, so people end up responding. When you only use the number, it results in No End Of Confusion. So, don't reference comments by number.

403

" Why are the numbers all messed up? Lots of references to comments by number that are clearly wrong. "

 

That's a glitch in the Matrix

404 BREAKING: Washington Redskins announce name change.

"After much thoughtful consideration brought upon by influential sports magazine Slate, we have decided to change our name. Henceforth, we shall be known as the Virginia Redskins."

405 Giving up also means the 2nd amendment is quickly destroyed. One or two more Supremes to overturn it.

406 There are some Visigoths at the Northern Gates who would like a word with you.

Posted by: SGT. York at August 08, 2013 04:35 PM (k4ehJ)

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... as well as the little old 90 year old lady that survived a place called Buchenwald.

407 You know, all these months that Mickey Kaus has been saying "Hey, don't go to sleep, we have to fight amensty," WHAT THE FUCK??? Are you kidding me with Mickey Kaus? He voted for TFG! Please don't.

408 "Why are the numbers all messed up? Lots of references to comments by number that are clearly wrong. " That's a glitch in the Matrix Posted by: McCool at August 08, 2013 04:37 PM (nCSwS) Hector got banned. For now.

409 Now is not the time to give up. Posted by: Arbalest at August 08, 2013 04:35 PM (FlRtG) I'm not giving up, the GOP is. I hope you have a way to stop them, because they ignore me.

410 318 Do you mean gerbils as in the animal or gerbels as in the nazi?

Posted by: caustic at August 08, 2013 04:24 PM (/b8+5)

EoJ?  Anyone?

411 Ace, I'm with you. I've actually been done since 11/6/12. That's why I don't post much anymore, though unlike the late Mr. Breitbart, I read the posts more then the comments these days. Give the people what they want until they've gorged themselves to death on it. Fuck.Them.All™.

412

We citizens may be in an uproar, but the GOP is not about representing individual citizens.  The GOP votes to benefit GOP economic interests. Big business in Agriculture, Hospitality, Manufacturing, Constructions, etc...

Here is the viewpoint on Amnesty of that set:   

Cons:  never win another election, ruin our county
Pros: cheap labor and big profits

413 The democrats had an amazing get out the vote program

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Yes, scraping up all the winos laying on every street corner helps.  As does large buses full of non-English speaking Somalis.

414 Politicians work for the government, they don't work for you. You're the product, not the owner.

415 WHAT THE FUCK??? Are you kidding me with Mickey Kaus? He voted for TFG! Please don't. Posted by: EC at August 08, 2013 04:38 PM (GQ8sn) ********** Finally, someone catches that one. jezzuz.

416 #402 I love that.  Maybe Ken Cuccinelli can make it happen when he becomes Governor.

417 Ha! Welcome to my world. I figured it out in 2004, when the GOP leadership decided that MAVERICK! represented "Small government, Constitutional governance".

418 << This was always the goal of Alinsky politics. Crash the system by overloading it with freeloaders, welfare, food stamps, illegals, etc., and then build a new system from the ruins for the leeches and by the leeches. We are just the cows to be milked for our labor and money. People are being naive if they don't think this was precisely the plan. Just read the friggin book. The whole game plan is laid out very clearly.>>

Absolutely correct.

You know what's not in the plan? Rebuilding.

I looked into this. Alinsky never had a plan to rebuild other than some sort of vague anti-capitalist utopia, but didn't lay out details. All he had were plans on how to destroy.

At some point you have to realize the foundational beams of your ship are rotten and you need to burn it, then rebuild it.

Democrats/Leftists have never built a thing. All they've ever done is torn down either actively or via incompetence (Detroit). Hell, Obamacare is supposed to be a glorious step in the Left direction and they can't even implement it. 

So it crashes.

They won't rebuild it. They don't have the skill, or the knowledge. We build the shelters and grow the food. They will turn to us. And we will rebuild it the way it should be built.

419 The flaw in this reasoning is that the Progressives will beat you to that. And when they rebuild, there will be nothing left worth protecting.

Once it burns, it's gone for good.

You will not rebuild. Your corpse will be what their Progressive utopia is build out ofÂ…

The flaw in your reasoning is that it's going to burn no matter what we do. So we need to stop using strategies designed for the "will not burn" path and start applying "will burn" strategies. The first and foremost is. We are getting weaker generation by generation not stronger, so the sooner the burning starts, the better odds we have in all areas that still contain uncertainty.

420 Ace, I get your point about gerbils but you're missing something crucial here: Republicans wouldn't be looking to do this if they thought conservatives who oppose it could deliver at the polls. You're going to have to accept that a politician's primary goal is to retain power. That's not a bad thing. To paraphrase Milton Friedman, that's the business they're in, and the way to make them do what you want is to make it "politically profitable" to do so. CONSERVATIVES HAVE NOT DONE THIS AT ALL FOR EIGHT YEARS. Why was it so difficult getting conservatives out the door to vote for John McCain when we had a good idea of what Barack Obama stood for? Why was it so difficult getting conservatives out the door to vote for Mitt Romney when we knew EXACTLY what Barack Obama stood for? Yes, I know John McCain and Mitt Romney weren't good enough, but who was better? Maybe you don't remember this, but Mitt Romney railed against illegal immigration quite heavily during the Republican primaries. He pounded Rick Perry right out of the gate, accusing him of setting up "magnet programs" for illegals by allowing their children to qualify for state college tuition funding. And Rick Perry's response was the beginning of his rapid slide in popularity. Mitt Romney won that argument and went on the win the nomination. And then he lost the election. Let me repeat that: the Republican candidate who railed the hardest against illegal immigration during the primaries is the one who lost the general election. If conservatives couldn't turn out in enough numbers to propel that candidate to victory, then why should ANY politician care what they think about amnesty? They've already proven their position to be a losing one. Why bother trying to please a bunch of people who, at best, show up to vote for them while "holding their nose" and making sure everybody around them knows how negatively they view their own candidate? That sort of word-of-mouth doesn't win elections. Not when young men and women on the other side are literally swooning over their candidate. I can assure you, the "take my ball and go home" game is exactly what politicians want from us right now. The sooner they write us off, the sooner they can start formulating a new coalition of voters that they can actually count on. You want to win? The first step toward winning is to show the fuck up.

421 Giving up means: 1. ObamaCare stays, until it crashes and takes us with it, 2. We get what's in the rest of Obamnesty, all 1500 unread pages of it. __________ We've already GOT Obamacare because the GOP controlled House has been indulging in show votes to stop it, but not taking any action to defund it or to replace it with anything better. Bottom line - the GOP doesn't have a problem with big government, they just want to be the ones running it.

422 Stop indulging in the fantasy that the GOP will really really pinky swear promise this time to reverse Obamacare. They make promises they know they can't really deliver more than symbolic opposition on. Besides, they're personally exempt from it

Amnesty, something they CAN stop? Nope, we have to accept the "reality" of reaching out to people who love socialism and forgive corrupt thugs as long as the checks don't bounce

423 403 Giving up also means the 2nd amendment is quickly destroyed. One or two more Supremes to overturn it.Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 08, 2013 04:37 PM (ZPrif)
Mister Roberts will save us.

424 >>>You want to win? The first step toward winning is to show the fuck up.

There is no winning this fight politically now or in the near future. If we continue to do what we have done there will be no way to win it ever.

425 Yes, scraping up all the winos laying on every street corner helps. As does large buses full of non-English speaking Somalis.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 08, 2013 04:40 PM (LFvB+)

 

82% turnout in Fairfax County, Virginia.  Decided the election there for Obama.  I'm convinced that a lot of them were bussed over from DC, but a hell of a lot of non-Mexican immigrants have landed in Fairfax over the last 10-15 years.  Obama's campaign found every single one of them and got them to the polls.   I have a friend who has been running his white-suburban precinct in Fairfax for 35 years, and he said he has never seen anything like it. 

426 291>> allmenroder, I'll second that!

427 Ace, don't give up on us, we're in this to the FINISH!!

I told NBC and CNN if they air the rectum licking movies about Hillary we'd take our bats and balls and go home, and swearsies, THIS time I REALLY MEAN IT !!!!

428 <<The flaw in this reasoning is that the Progressives will beat you to that. And when they rebuild, there will be nothing left worth protecting.>>

As I just said, they won't, because they can't.

They cannot build anything. And when there is nothing, there will be nothing for them to rebuild.

See Detroit.

429 >>>Giving up also means the 2nd amendment is quickly destroyed. One or two more Supremes to overturn it.Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 08, 2013 04:37 PM (ZPrif)

And so that happens today instead of in 20 years when no one will care anyways.

430 <<You want to win? The first step toward winning is to show the fuck up.>>

Give us someone to show the fuck up for.

431 I can assure you, the "take my ball and go home" game is exactly what politicians want from us right now. The sooner they write us off, the sooner they can start formulating a new coalition of voters that they can actually count on.

You want to win? The first step toward winning is to show the fuck up.

 

Posted by: Caiwyn at August 08, 2013 04:43 PM (MmZIj)

 

THIS.  x10000

432 Well, I guess this counts as the reform vs. 3rd party post I asked for. Depressing as hell though.

433 >>>They cannot build anything. And when there is nothing, there will be nothing for them to rebuild.
See Detroit.

What are the progressive house words?

"WE DO NOT BUILD!"

434 Why was it so difficult getting conservatives out the door to vote for John McCain when we had a good idea of what Barack Obama stood for? Why was it so difficult getting conservatives out the door to vote for Mitt Romney when we knew EXACTLY what Barack Obama stood for? Yes, I know John McCain and Mitt Romney weren't good enough, but who was better? ----------------------------------- Because we knew McCain was a lying SOB who would stab us in the back first chance he got, that's why. Obama's the express train to socialism, McCain is the slow boat - either way, the destination was the same. And had McCain won, those liberal policies he implemented wouldn't have been opposed by the GOP, so the outcome would not have been substantially different from Obama's first two years of full Democrat control. Everything conservatives said about McCain, he's fully lived up to, both before and after the 2008 election.

435 Bottom line - the GOP doesn't have a problem with big government, they just want to be the ones running it. 419: LauraC "We've already GOT Obamacare because the GOP controlled House has been indulging in show votes to stop it, but not taking any action to defund it or to replace it with anything better. We have ObamaCare because of the Democrats. The House might be able to stall, but that's it. 2014 might deliver enough of a change so that repeal could happen ... but over-riding a veto would likely fail. 2016, actually February 2107 is the earliest date that ObamaCare could be repealed. "Bottom line - the GOP doesn't have a problem with big government, they just want to be the ones running it." That's true ... and 2014 is when we can start changing that.

436

Yup. I was done with the game after all the budget cut drama where the deal they cut actually increased spending.

 

At this point, I hate the Democrats more than the GOP, but I respect them more. Those fuckers play to win. The weak-ass bitches on our side are happy to sit the bench on the JV squad.

437
Why was it so difficult getting conservatives out the door to vote for John McCain ....
Posted by: Caiwyn



And so on....

For the Nth-millionth time, exit polling showed in 2008 and 2012 that  conservatives dragged themselves out to vote Republican yet again, but libertarian and liberal "republicans" pulled the D lever yet again, because "Oooo those icky conservatives" or "hope change" or peer pressure or whatever daemons motivate them.

That's why the Republicans continue to do well in Red States like Texas and get stomped in Blue States like Pennsylvania over and over. As a moments reflection would indicate.

438

Luckily, I have plans for healthcare, immigration, taxes, gun control and everything else.

 

So, we've got that going for us.

439 Republicans are suckers who still believe Lucy won't pull that football away this time ....

Ace is saying "this time I'm kicking that bitch in the head"

440

Gee itÂ’s not like I didnÂ’t call out this being Schumer and likely the GOPÂ’s game when McCain and Graham-McCain and Mark the Rube started the ployÂ….

go ahead and owngoal the conference House GOPÂ…we gifted you the house in 2010 and I will happily give the hammer back to Pelosi in 2014Â…

if I wanted democrat policy IÂ’d vote democrat and if you give me democrat policy I will vote you into oblivion.

441 Nobody ever won a fight by giving up.  Ask Roberto Duran.

Did it not occur to you that a couple of Republicans going home and saying they "support 'some' form of path to citizenship" falls short of agreeing to a bill - ANY bill, much less Schumer-Rubio?  Or that politicians say things they have no intention of following through upon, just to pacify a few voters?

Of course, you could just slit your wrists today and avoid the rush.  But then, if it turns out I'm right and it isn't The End of America, you will feel mighty foolish burning in hell and being shtupped in the arse by Ted Kennedy for all eternity over nothing, won'tcha?

442 Why was it so difficult getting conservatives out the door to vote for John McCain when we had a good idea of what Barack Obama stood for?

I think it had to do with the number of scalding showers it would took to make the feeling dirty go away. They weren't just bad, they were lessor versions of the same problem. LIB

443 Nope. Not 20 years of dominance, Ace. 2.5

The democrats are so incredibly weak. Without OFA and SCOAMFy that have are toast. And this is what so fucking hilarious. This GOP doesn't get that. This GOP doesn't get that the time to run through democrats is now.

Why did the IRS target the Tea Party? Because they were bored? no because the Tea Party is the biggest motherfucking threat ever.

444 Let's take over the Whigs...from the inside.

445 I would just say, wait until after the mid-terms to opt out. Is this site going to sit it out? High info voters vote in mid-terms.

Presidential elections are just gone. With amnesty, for a long, long time. LIVs rule on these. It's not so much that they are stupid but they don't feel the results of federal action for a long time after a bill or a reg has been passed. Who cares about HUD and their new discriminatory housing policy, or has even heard about it? But just wait till a Section 8 apt. building is put up next to their house. Then it's too late.

446 When the DOOM does show up, here's a few things it will show up with that the LIVs aren't expecting:

Small communities run by a strong man (note I don't say an intelligent or compassionate man)
Women's right go out the window
Militia will become synonymous with vigilante
We'll all learn what horse tastes like. And rat.
The only thousand points of light will be the fires upon which various heretics are burned (actual heretical beliefs will vary by location; check your local TV guide for scheduling and info)

447 Gerbils, PUMAs, RINOs, oh my. All means that we're on the wrong end of the food chain. Did someone say "Armageddon!!"

448 <<You want to win? The first step toward winning is to show the fuck up.>>

Give us someone to show the fuck up for.

Posted by: SGT. York at August 08, 2013 04:48 PM (k4ehJ)

 

Romney  was more than worth showing up for especially if  you base it on the subject of this post.  Someone pointed out earlier that he was the strongest candidate on illegal  immigration and had the  results to back that up.   Instead we got more suppression of the Romney vote by a Mark Levin then we did by any deomcrat.   

449 119 Bevel L,

we tried changing the GOP instead the GOP changed into more donk lite in response...

hey GOP if you want to go full donkey I am voting for the fucking donkey

450 Europe and Japan are not the model. Japan is a homogenous society and until recently so was most of Europe (where many of the large cities are indeed turning into wastelands). These places, for all their faults, largely believed in the greater good and were in it together despite their differences.

America is different. It was built on a culture of from many into one. Immigrants and people of different cultures were welcomed but expected to become a part of the American culture and ethic.

That is the heart of this immigration debate despite the idiots who keep calling racism. This country is losing the spirit and ethic that made it America first. We are becoming a balkanized location of groups, all pulling in their own direction for their own little goals.

Look around. Look at the cities. Strip away the PC bullshit and look at what's happening all around us. This is the future the liberals are pushing on us. Not Tokyo, Detroit.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2013 04:35 PM (g1DWB)

I was thinking the same thing. Japan is a completely different culture. They had a tsunami fuck them up but good, and you didn't see mofo's walking down the street with flat screen TVs and pushing shopping carts of looted booze.

Europe on the other hand are mostly worthy pussies anyway, they still like tonging the bung of kings and tyrants, so to being a peasant for them isn't much different than anything they did for the last 1000 fucking years.

but America....this is where all bets are off. Half the population are worthless retards.

451 If you really believe that the way to reform the GOP is to take action and take part ...

The RNC has changed their rules to make it close to impossible to elect anyone who rocks the boat

Try bringing in a true small government candidate or a real conservative and they'll yank the funding and run to their MSM buddies to smear you in a way that would make a Chicago Democrat fap

Hubby will never change his ways until you pack your bags and leave the house

452 Small communities run by a strong man (note I don't say an intelligent or compassionate man) Women's right go out the window Militia will become synonymous with vigilante We'll all learn what horse tastes like. And rat. The only thousand points of light will be the fires upon which various heretics are burned Faster please.

453 I've been a loyal GOP voter for years. No more. Never again will I vote for this RINO Party. In fact, I might even vote for the Democrat nominee in certain cases. Let it burn to the fucking ground. I'll pour more gas on it and then piss on its ashes.


GOP =  Government Ordained Progressives

454 <<http://www.constitutionparty.com/
Posted by: sc>>

Signed up.

Thanks.

455 Looks like we were right after all, huh?   (Give or take a few days)

456 @444--these are bad things? Think of it as a real life Renaissance Faire without the Wisconsinite English accents. Today's obesity epidemic will turn into tomorrow Long Pig Buffet at Medieval Times...which will be truly medieval.

457 133 Jwest,

Kill grannie ain't much of a plan sport...

get govt out of healthcare asshole

458 So, which candidates do we beat feet, ring phones, and write checks for who'll be the next Rubio or Ryan who'll "grow" in office?

They'll keep doing it as long as we keep coming back

459 but America....this is where all bets are off. Half the population are worthless retards. Japland doesn't riot when their sports teams lose. Or win. One cultural difference.

460 Ace,   I have been saying this for years to anyone that would listen, most probably think i am a crazy conspiracy theorist, whatever, all I know is that i have been right.

      Ever wonder why congressional pay raises need a vote to discontinue, but tax cuts require a vote to continue?  The game is rigged to fall the way they want it.
   
       Why are federal elected officials and thier staffs allowed to insider trade?

    The hardest part of being in Congress is keeping from snickering at all you yokels that think your running something.

           Its a fucking joke,  when in all your life has government ever tried for less documentation or regulation, yet when it comes to voting, suddenly an ID is a bad thing?  That doesnt maybe raise a red flag?
         Your vote counts for nothing.

      You think Democrats give a shit about Obamacare working?  It was designed not to work, so that they would have to "reform" the system, at which time they can reform it to single payer, because we cant go back, because all the insurance companies will be out of business, and most the doctors quit.

     The current amnesty bills were set in motion back in 1965 when Kennedy rammed thru Hart-Celler.

          Conservatism, as practiced the last 30 years is dead

        

461 Let me repeat that: the Republican candidate who railed the hardest against illegal immigration during the primaries is the one who lost the general election. ----- Demonstrate cause and effect on that one. Seriously, if you think Romney lost because of the line of attack he used against Perry in the primary, you're smoking something. At the end of the day the vast majority of pro-amnesty (or variant thereof) arguments on the GOP side are political ones, not principled ones. I don't find them persuasive. At a time of tremendous unemployment (and underemployment), I don't see any good argument for an influx of cheap, uneducated labor. Moreover, this fantasy that the Chamber of Commerce wing of the party seems to have that these now-legalized-illegals aren't going to join unions is bizarre. They'll start out cheap then get "community organized" into unions. Once I factor in the national security concerns and the assault on the rule of law, I find myself nauseated by any Republican who contributed to making caving on immigration Top Priority.

462 I left the GOP in 2005, when it steered for the iceburg, I refused to vote McCain in 08 and helped start a conservative party (ACP). Most of you have some catching up to do. The GOP doesn't WANT to change, will actively oppose it, will co-op or coerce newcomers to fall in line. Rubio anyone? Rand Paul is not a republican, and he is not a conservative. We think China is on the brink if 1/3 of it's population is unemployed, yet WE are there. But this is what I know - after 5 years of fighting to build a conservative party, no one wants one. They want the GOP to change and will continue to fight any 3rd party effort - virtually EVERY pundit on the conservative side has said 'to hell with the GOP' only to slink back arguing for more effort to change the GOP. I see no effort to get a 3rd party or conservative party viable amongst the VAST majority of those on the 'right'.

463 "The eternal argument on the potential success of this has been "Can the new country of Texiana obtain nukes and, thus, guarantee their survival?"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 08, 2013 04:16 PM (/Crba)"

There are a number of nuclear armed countries that would view a second nuclear armed country in North America as being in their interest since a united and strong United States has made them less able to achieve their national and international goals and a weakened United States is in their interest.  The birth of greater Texas would probably involve close and initially dependent relationship with Russia, China, Iran or North Korea.  Nice friends. 

I suppose that there is a possibility of alliance with Israel if the Obama administration tilts farther in the direction that you know they want to go.  From Israel's standpoint, they could expect a whole lot of people in the remainder of the United States to be making Aliyah in response to the sudden decline in popularity they would experience if Israel helped "Jesusland" to leave the union.  Israel would obviously cease receiving the billion dollars worth of military equipment every year but considering that a lot of that equipment is manufactured in Fort Worth, maybe some kind of deal could be worked out.

With the United States diminished and facing a powerful and unfriendly rival on the same continent, the stabilizing influence that the US military plays around the world would come to an end.  Russia would probably dominate Europe.  China would move to dominate Asia and the Pacific, although Japan, Korea, Australia, Taiwan and possibly a few more small countries might assemble nuclear weapons overnight which would raise the stakes on any aggressive moves the Chinese might make.

Of course, negotiating with any of those countries for nukes would meet any definition of treason but that is what secession is so there is that.

464

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

 

This.

465 I hear ya Ace. I'm at the George Carlin stage now: It's a Big Club. We ain't in it. Education will never be fixes bc that Isn't in Their Interest, having free thinking public. The Border will never Be Secured bc that isn't in Their Interests the monied Elite who pick the political leadership. Amnesty will be passed despite being in diametric opposition to American people's interests, bc it is in The Interests of Monied Elite who select leadership Gone Galt Read etienne De La Boetie 1548.

466


452 <<http://www.constitutionparty.com/





Interesting. I'll have to look in to that.

467
In fact, I might even vote for the Democrat nominee in certain cases.
Posted by: Strife




One advantage of living in a two top finishers open primary state is the final election can end up D vs D.  So the temptation to vote R out of habit is removed.

Kinda like having one of those Breathalyzer ignition locks on your car.

468 I got to the 3rd party point back in '08. Voted for Bob Barr. I have nothing against Palin but at the end of the day that idiot McCain could have been President and I couldn't pull the trigger on that. Although I did vote Romney in '12 since Gary Johnson only showed he was capable of quoting Rush Limbaugh jokes and little else. I'm all for a conservative 3rd party, they just need to not be on the same operating level as the Libertarians.

469 <<Romney was more than worth showing up for especially if you base it on the subject of this post.>>

Bullshit. Pure. Bullshit.

Precisely what's wrong with the GOP.

"Hey, this guy isn't what he actually is!"

Also Romneycare.

Seriously...

470 465 Laurie David's Cervix,

I'd say it is more like requiring a failed breathalyzer to start the car, but I digress...

471 Good heaven's, I'm going to shut this down and go do something productive. 3 Republicans attend a town hall and see some protestors, throw out a non committal bone and everyone here is going to commit suicide, move to Belize, never vote again, etc. etc. All any of us can do is work on our own representatives. I can't do a damn thing about what a Ill or Florida Rep says or how he votes. But I can influence my own Rep, who is hosting his own town hall later this month. If everyone caterwauling here would continue to work on their own representatives(and no kids, you won't always get your own way with them, they do represent everyone in your district, including the big donors and businesses), we could effect change. As someone pointed out upthread, the democrats keep after their voters and their representatives. Easier for them since they are of the collective mindset and we are of the independent. But as independents, we MUST work on what is important to ourselves and our families, and that means really getting after what representation we do have in the system, not pulling the covers over our heads and crying ourselves to sleep.

472 Anyone who thinks McCain would have been better than Obama is too blind to see we would be into our second round of amnesty under President McCain.  The US Border Patrol would be peacekeeping on the streets of Damascus.

473 So your abject surrender to amnesty is a great strategy. You idiots. You fight and never let up. But you guys don't fight. You whine. What boycotts have you started? None. They work yet you surrender. You project weakness and don't try and even organize a fight. I have no choice to fight. There is no where to go. I have children. You coward Ace. Fight in the townhalls then fight the root of the problem: the media. Don't surrender!

474 Arthur L Mendez,

Hey ALM, have a nice cup of GFYS you're about to win buddy be happy.

Your new and improved AMIGO GRANDE! GOP will never get another vote from me.

475 I intend to start the NoBS (pronounced 'knobs') Party.



I am so tired of bullshit about everything, every time, every where, and continually piling up.



NoBS.  The only platform plank is 'we are sick of bullshit.'

476 Ace, you can completely trust ABC News to give you the 100% truth and never engage in DNC psy-ops.  Swearsies, George Stephanopolous was independently wondering about contraception when he asked the question of Romney at a Republican primary debate.  Nobody could've foreseen it being twisted into a "War on Women".  Least of all, us.  Crazy stuff right there.

So thank you for the link and the web traffic and your adorable persistence in believing our "reporting" at face value.  We only named a couple of Republicans, but that was enough to take it as serious as a heart attack.  For good reason.  Like Chuck Schumer, you will only get the truth from us.  Swearsies.

477
 469 If everyone caterwauling here would continue to work on their own representatives(and no kids, you won't always get your own way with them, they do represent everyone in your district, including the big donors and businesses), we could effect change.





Uh-huh. And how's that worked out for you so far on the national level?

478 76 ...." I spend my time now preparing for the DOOM! and hoping we survive as a nation, or that there is anything left recognizable as America once the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the GOP party leadership are done with her." Dennis at August 08, 2013 03:48 PM (Mtpmh) To my mind, 'America' is not some lines on a map, but a set of governing principles, and will continue to exist in he hearts and minds of all those who honor those principles , despite whatever happens to the geopolitical entity termed "The United States of America". Your concern for the welfare of said geopolitical entity is, of course, quite reasonable and valid; it has just become of secondary (or perhaps even tertiary) importance to me, well behind moral/ ethical/ principled concerns.

479 I hope you have a way to stop them, because they ignore me. This x infinity. They ignore my emails, and talk show hosts' concerns. Hell, even Hewitt is against the shizznit. But they plod onward toward our destruction as a nation.

480 Already left the GOP, retired early on a minimal pension (went Galt) and now enjoying the decline.

481
471 So your abject surrender to amnesty is a great strategy. You idiots.

You fight and never let up. But you guys don't fight. You whine.

What boycotts have you started? None. They work yet you surrender.
You project weakness and don't try and even organize a fight.

I have no choice to fight. There is no where to go. I have children. You coward Ace.

Fight in the townhalls then fight the root of the problem: the media. Don't surrender!



Calm down there Francis. How exactly do you "fight" when your army is mainly controlled by a High Command of Benedict Arnold's?

482

(Blame any translation errors on Microsoft):

 

No dejes que la puerta te golpee al salir. Creemos que La Raza para ser el futuro, y la manera de conseguir que La Raza es comprarlos con mierda gratis.

483 "434
Yup. I was done with the game after all the budget cut drama where the deal they cut actually increased spending.

At this point, I hate the Democrats more than the GOP, but I respect them more. Those fuckers play to win. The weak-ass bitches on our side are happy to sit the bench on the JV squad.

Posted by: Warden at August 08, 2013 04:51 PM (HzhBE)"

You know, recently I have been thinking the same thing about Putin.  I mean he is an unscrupulous and evil motherfucker but at least he does not hate his own country.

484 Another thing about gerbils is they end up in Richard Gere's butt. You can count on it.

485 > "There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance." Just imagine what elections will be like after 20 years.

486 <<The GOP will survive just fine without you guys in the party. Your
ideas cost us senate seats that we otherwise could have used to help
promote conservatism in the senate.

Nevada, Delaware, Colorado, Missouri, Wisconsin, and Indiana.>>



Yeah, that Senator Heller's working out real good on immigration, isn't he?

487 For the Nth-millionth time, exit polling showed in 2008 and 2012 that conservatives dragged themselves out to vote Republican yet again, but libertarian and liberal "republicans" pulled the D lever yet again, because "Oooo those icky conservatives" or "hope change" or peer pressure or whatever daemons motivate them. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix Yes, and all that conservative "enthusiasm" (exemplified by complaints about how their own candidates weren't good enough and comments about having to hold your nose to vote for them) must have been terribly infectious and led to a win, right? Oh, right, they lost. You're missing the point. If conservatives can't deliver a win, they don't get a seat at the table. Period. "Showing up" doesn't mean pulling the lever for a candidate that you trash in conversation to everyone who'll listen. It means contributing to their campaigns and knocking on doors, doing what you can to convince people to vote for that candidate. All conservatives have done for the past eight years is complain about how the GOP isn't good enough for them. If a candidate is stellar on enforcing immigration but supports eliminating tax loopholes, do you think any conservative talks about how great he is on immigration? NO! We bitch and moan about how he wants to raise taxes. If a candidate has a stellar record on taxes and spending but supported campaign finance reform, does anybody give a shit about his fiscal record? No! We bitch and moan about his apostasies. This constant negative focus means that the GOP can NEVER WIN. Even if conservatives do show up at the polls, they do so with a complete lack of enthusiasm, and it shows. And the rest of the population sees that. My entire point is that conservatives alone aren't enough. That has always been the case. But if conservatives can bring other people along, then we win. We have not done that. And the Republican party is starting to see us as a liability. If Paul Ryan -- who wrote the first budget reining in entitlement spending since those programs were created, and then took to the airwaves and the internet with convincing videos and eloquent arguments to defend it -- isn't good enough, then NO ONE IS. If Rick Perry -- whose budgetary leadership kept Texas from feeling the 2008 recession less than anyone else, and even grew the Texas economy faster than any other state -- isn't good enough, then NO ONE IS. If Rand Paul -- who exudes adherence to constitutional principles perhaps better than anyone else in politics right now, but who is constantly smeared as an "isolationist" and rumored to be anti-Israel -- isn't good enough, then NO ONE IS. I get the disillusion with Rubio and Christie. Not my cup of tea either. With them it's a question of trust, and people don't trust them to do what we want once they've been handed power. But that didn't apply to Romney. Again, pulling a lever while holding your nose isn't "showing up." Doing what it takes to propel your candidate to victory is.

488 What military strategy would work best for the Republicans?

489 How exactly do you "fight" when your army is mainly controlled by a High Command of Benedict Arnold's?
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
We'll likely never see a Republican Prez nominee who is not an open borders cultist.  No matter what they say before gaining the office.  The big money Republican donors close their wallets to anyone who opposes "cheap" labor.

It's kinda funny and backwards.  The Republicans say about the conservative base: "Where else they gonna go?".  They should start thinking that about the Chambers of Commerce.  Let's feed those assholes to the Democrats and see how long they have any financial interests to pursue.

490 481 Obnoxious A-Hole,

I was ahead of the curve on the "why not Putin?" train....

I am on the first day of a path to a likely 1500 hotel bill....

ever upward.

491

Welcome to the non-Party pal, only about ---- years too late.

The GOP leadership is not only useless from a limited/constitutional government standpoint, it is your enemy. The good cop to the Democrat's bad cop.

And it's the same on foreign policy as well. They are the small p progs, doing the dirty work for the big P progs, and not even getting the good press in doing so. Same policies, just presented in different ways for different audiences, but all (mostly) in on the overall con.

492 Calm down there Francis. How exactly do you "fight" when your army is mainly controlled by a High Command of Benedict Arnold's?

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 05:11 PM (Ojgjr)

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Is that actually an honest question and are you actually interested in some ideas?

493 "At this point, I hate the Democrats more than the GOP, but I respect them more. Those fuckers play to win." No they don't, they couldn't even pass a public option when they had 60 votes and it only needs 50+the VP. They could only get 40 votes for an assault weapons ban in a 55 vote D majority when over 60% of Ds support the ban. They're more fucking weak and bought than the Rs. What they do understand is you win elections by buying votes not talking about "principle" 24 hrs a fucking day, and that there was nothing in the Romney economic plan for anyone who doesn't want to start their own business ( hint: most people don't). That's why he fucking lost, not because he was the grandfather of fucking obamacare. Conservatives lose because they don't understand rudimentary political strategy like this. It's also why they're not very feared. Ace's " quit the party" column is just another example of it of why they're not feared.

494 Dead right. Nothing stopping this. All according to script. I said it months ago.

495

"Is that actually an honest question and are you actually interested in some ideas?"

Posted by: jc at August 08, 2013 05:18 PM (i8c5b)

Oh I'm interested in "ideas". Conservative ideas. The GOP however is not. And never will be again.

496   

    So quit.  Step aside,if you no longer wish to continue.

    I'll bear you no ill will, and will welcome you at the victory.

    But know this, they will have to kill me before I stop fighting for my country.

    I can only keep on with my effort here, locally--at the GRASSROOTS--where the meaningful change must begin.

    Enough of our effort will make the crucial difference.

    Don't have the pretty words to say to make my point here, but no letting it burn, that is quitting--can't be doing that.

      Not going to post further on this, simply will do as I have before.

497 How can you say WHY conservatives lose when we haven't seen one run in almost 30 years?  The last two Republicans to win the presidency were ones who successfully posed as conservatives.

498 GOP(Lucy) to Charlie Brown(Voter) - "Go ahead Charlie Brown, I promise I'll hold the football for real THIS time. I swear!"

499

GOP(Lucy) to Charlie Brown(Voter) - "Go ahead Charlie Brown, I promise I'll hold the football for real THIS time. I totes swearsies!"

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 05:24 PM (Ojgjr)

 

ReWrite™ to put it in the modern vernacular.

500
You're missing the point.
Posted by: Caiwyn




And you are intentionally glossing over it.

At the end of the days, who has the most votes wins. Conservatives have, until now, pretty much held their nose and voted R no matter what our minds and hearts tell us, while the more moderate part of the party always seems to nuance themselves to vote D because drugs or gay marriage or "think about the children" or what have you.

We tried moderation. We're tried reaching across the aisle.

It does not work.

And the continued embrace of these policies will simply chase away the voters the Rs have managed to hold.

501 Remember last year when the RINOs were saying, "even if Romney loses, we'll still win the senate and we'll have the House as a firewall against Obama." I laughed in their faces. John Boehner? Firewall? Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan? Firewalls?

502 Sock OFF!

503

494

So quit. Step aside,if you no longer wish to continue.

I'll bear you no ill will, and will welcome you at the victory.




Um.... it's the conservative BASE that is leaving here.



Good luck with those Moderate (i.e. Liberal) "victories" you're about to get.

504

Ace,

 

I think it's kind of a dick move to put your response to me up in the main post without including at least the gist of my comment that prompted your response.  My comment was calling you out for falling for the MSM bullshit on this.  Your response didn't really address that.

 

Just sayin'.  Your blog, you can do what you want.

505 http://tinyurl.com/mm2efl8

Awesome news from the Foreign Policy website...

Ogabe has decided what America needs is thousands more Syrians...

Go Donkey!

You fucking asshole GOPers you enable this shit with your weakness you c**ts.

506 Hey Caiwyn,

The GOP had the White House and the Congress from 2002 to 2006 and did fuck all with it. If the Republicans want turn out they need to perform and give people something to turn out for.

507 494 IronGrampa,

Yeah yeah we get it IG....

WINNING! now with 95% more democrat like policy is "WINNING!"

I'd prefer a split after the mules destroy what's left.

508 No deals. Ever. The Democrats will only enforce whatever parts of the law they like. You can't agree to anything with these fucks. Literally nothing. The rule of law is dead here, the Constitution doesn't exist and now our tax dollars are going to pour out buying food and medicine for other countries.

509 I knew the GOP was dead when it borrowed a page from the Liberal Verbal Engineering Handbook under Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove and it introduced to the Party it's new perfume scented turd called "Compassionate Conservatism"



Anybody see a problem with the overt implied suppositions of that charming little phrase?


Anybody recognize the smelly legislative and Party platform results of that  charming little phrase?


*spits* Yeah. Burn the fucking Party down already.

510 506 MTF,

Look a few of us called this the minute the McCain gang passed AMIGO GRANDE! with the donk ass mofos...

the GOP at large thinks they are going to pass a "tough" house bill then go owngoal conference and placate the base with "gosh we tried but look Reid is a tough guy!"

Time to shut the fuck up and call them on it.

They fuck my working poor and lower middle class relatives, I'll turn fucking the GOP moderates into my hobby.

511 irongrampa-
"Don't have the pretty words to say to make my point here, but no letting it burn, that is quitting--can't be doing that."

By "Let It Burn", we don't mean quit.
We mean let the bastards suffer the consequences of there own stupidity but minimize your own exposure to the same.
Maybe they'll learn
Or maybe they'll just die.
Just don't let them drag you down with them.

512 It's been one Party and one long Kabuki play for decades. They divide us with race, social issues and class warfare. One Party supports the things the other opposes in order to keep the nation from uniting and throwing them out. Snowden exposed them. He made them all defend the indefensible... they're all guilty. It's "when in the course of human events" time again.

513 Maybe you guys are too close to this.  When I came here eons ago it seems I commented that the two parties looked the same to me, I didn't see a difference.  I was a registered independent, I've never missed voting in any election, even the little school board type ones but I could not tell the difference between parties.  You guys, to put it mildly, were not so thrilled with me.  So I'm not so surprised that people are starting to see what I saw and starting to think maybe a third party is the answer. 

The Republicans keep disappointing the base.  They think because republicans in the end always do the right thing, that the base will be there after they've cheated and had their night on the town, cause the base is always there. I think the tide is changing.  I think people are no longer willing to be there after they've been disrespected.  I think the RINO's and perhaps other republicans who are disappointing will have a rude awakening this next election unless they dramatically turn around which, is unlikely as we, the little folks, the voters don't seem to matter as much as the corporations and the lobbyists and he money folks.

514 141 Give the people what they want. As hard as you can. When this amnesty floods the workplace and Blacks are unemployed to the tune of 80%, let's make sure the fingerprints on Amnesty are all Democrats. Good luck with that when Rubio has been the face of amnesty.

515 The Democrap Party is based on Ideologues.

The Republican Party is based on Payola.


Ideologues can BUY Republicans.


Here Endeth The Lesson kids.

516

knew the GOP was dead when it borrowed a page from the Liberal Verbal Engineering Handbook under Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove and it introduced to the Party it's new perfume scented turd called "Compassionate Conservatism"

 

Anybody see a problem with the overt implied suppositions of that charming little phrase?

 

Anybody recognize the smelly legislative and Party platform results of that charming little phrase?

 

*spits* Yeah. Burn the fucking Party down already.

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 05:35 PM (Ojgjr)

 

Until Rush saw that the NextInLine™ principle had been extended to the offspring of former Presidents, he did.  Then he tried to co-opt it and ended up being co-opted for the succeeding 13 years.

517 493

"Is that actually an honest question and are you actually interested in some ideas?"


Posted by: jc at August 08, 2013 05:18 PM (i8c5b)

Oh I'm interested in "ideas". Conservative ideas. The GOP however is not. And never will be again.

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 05:22 PM (Ojgjr)

===

I was asking if you actually wanted ideas for how to go about changing things.  I have no interest in measuring differing views of 'conservative' principles.

This situation can be changed, but it won't done by people sitting at home no matter how furiously they type.

Food for thought -- politicians are just people who see a parade and rush to the front to claim they started it.  They are as manipulable as anyone.

518 229 Obama's at 41% approval. And the GOP reacts by supporting everything he wants. *** Boehner's idea of a head fake. Posted by: WalrusRex at August 08, 2013 04:10 PM (Hx5uv) You mean he only pretends to like giving Obammy head? Hah, he sure fooled me.....

519 oh give me a break Ace.

Its a couple of reps. Stop getting all emotional.

Presidents historically win re election if they win. It sucks, but we survived Wilson and got Coolidge. We survived FDR and got Eisenhower. We survived Carter and got RR. Hell we had Adams and got Jefferson.

Relax. Realise that politics is mostly a pendulem...as long as the other side fights. Dont give up the fight Ace.

For all the crying around here, when you look at the record Obama has gotten nothing major pass Congress since the 10 elections.

We win the Senate in 12, Obama is a lame duck. Historically parties do not win 3 prez elections in a row. So we should also take 16.

Just dont panic and keep on fighting.

520 run* not win

521 9 months ago this website (not ace, one of the cobs, dont remember who) told me not voting for the republican nominee was akin to leaving a double decker. I'm guilty of supporting the lesser of two evils myself from time to time. I really hope this is the beginning of the end though.

522 We're told time and time again by the RINO establishment that the GOP does NOT need a purity test, and yet, the Democrap Party is THE Party of PURE Liberalism without compromise.


So the RINO strategy is to make the TENT BIGGER for...... more Liberal Democrap Purist policies?


And this is "WINNING"?

523 What they do understand is you win elections by buying votes not talking about "principle" 24 hrs a fucking day,

I have to agree. After 2012 I asked tons of  Obama voters  why they voted for him.
No 1 reason without fail: "He's giving us free stuff." 

Don't underestimate the power of the handout.

524

>>Posted by: Stone at August 08, 2013 05:50 PM (Mv1O4)

 

 

 

Man are you out to lunch.

525
515 "I was asking if you actually wanted ideas for how to go about changing things. I have no interest in measuring differing views of 'conservative' principles." - Posted by: jc at August 08, 2013 05:49 PM (i8c5b)



Wait. What?


First you offer "ideas"


and then you qualify your "ideas" with


" I have no interest in measuring differing views of 'conservative' principles"


So..... your "ideas" consist of even more RINO policies that shit on Conservative principles.


Is that about it sunshine?

526 "You can't win if you don't show up"

Kind of the same pitch you'd get from a rigged poker game. As long as there are suckers who think they can win a game and believe it's totes honest if the con artists running the game let them win some hands, the con artists will keep telling the suckers "gotta be in it to win it"

527 A nanosecond after amnesty passes, my association with the GOP will be no more. After that point, I think one idea might be for a lot of us to register as Democrats and do all we can to wreak havoc on their party.

528

Hey, whoever socked Hugh Hewitt way up above, bravo! You perfectly captured his infuriating quasi-squishiness: he simply declares as "nutters" anyone who takes a reasonable - often unassailably correct and sensible - position on a major issue where the GOP is beclowning itself.

I recall exactly once, one glorious interlude, where Hewitt snapped out of his smarmy know-it-all establishment arrogance, and actually got pissed. Right after the 2010 Tea Party victory (GOP somewhere in there), when the House leadership completely screwed up the "showdown" with the WH on income tax rates (thereby allowing tons of vile nonsense to be done, incl. on the Senate side, including the end of DADT, another arms treaty with the Russians, etc.). All they had to do was stand tough - the WH had no cards, and the usually worthless Senate GOP had actually done something smart and stated they would not allow any other business until the fiscal/tax things were fixed.

For several days, Hewitt was sputtering with rage and saying exactly what any of us, or anyone with any experience and political/ Capitol Hill sense would say, about the ridiculous, disastrous fumble by the House GOP.

As I say, an interlude. Then back to more ass-kissing with vile cretins from the "press" like Crowley and worse. And even his actual area of expertise, the law, he barely uses. We are in a state of lawlessness, utter collapse of serious standards, in disparate areas from bankruptcy (GM and Chrysler bond-holders) to immigration to inter-branch balance (recess appointments, etc.) to the devolution of the DOJ into a weird race-baiting gang to the big constitutional issues (the SCOTUS has become a farce, its "rulings" literally risible and preposterous). But Hewitt barely touches on these. I get the feeling that many invested in the legal/judicial industry via work or education are complete prisoners of their social and self-regarding obligations and motivations - very few will acknowledge much less speak up on the the collapse of the legal system outside mundane business law and everyday criminal law.

529 I just sent back a RNC fund raising letter I got in its postage paid envelope.

For party affiliation I corrected it to "Unknown".

For Membership Status I corrected it from Lapsed to "Abandoned".

For US Representative I corrected it from Pete Sessions to "None if Pete Sessions votes to Amnesty Illegals"

For Donation Amount I put "Other: Nothing"

Plus a note - Not one dime, not one vote until amnesty for illegal aliens is dead, dismembered, burned and buried.

I encourage everyone to do something similar.  Maybe a few million voters threatening to leave the party will make a difference.

Why not be on the winning team if Republicans are just going to help deliver the Democrats' top priorities?  Since I'm holding my nose in the voting booth every four years anyway I might as well go full retard.

530

515 "Food for thought -- politicians are just people who see a parade and rush to the front to claim they started it. They are as manipulable as anyone.

Posted by: jc at August 08, 2013 05:49 PM (i8c5b)

See. That's where you're wrong. Democraps are pure political ideologues first and foremost. Period. End of story. No Compromise. Now they'll "moderate" their views come election time IF their state leans Right. They have no problem lying like a whore in order to advance the Party ideology. The end always justifies the means. Because the public is a herb of moronic mouth breathing cattle (which they are).

However, once they are re-elected they instantly fall right back into lock-step synchronicity with the uber-left Party Platform. They get their minds right - or else.

And THAT my friend is how it truly "works".

531 "You can't win if you don't show up"


Gee. That's odd. Because we've been consistently LOSING even when we DO show up.


I don't think "win" means what you think it means.

532 Now, you know why the GOPe is not interested in defunding Obamacare.  Hispanics are its biggest fans.

533 Is that about it sunshine?

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 05:56 PM (Ojgjr)

===

I am clearly not making it past your assumptions about what I am writing.

This place often degenerates to constant bitching about how our representatives are not perfect.  Well, they aren't.  But they can be manipulated and they will grudgingly go along with the political tide.  If the tide is big enough, they will switch to claiming they started it all and try to take all the credit from those that did.

So, everyone has some basic choices -- complain, shut up, or do the things that make politicians change how they vote.  No one here needs any help with their ability to complain, and no one here is at all interested in shutting up.  So, the only question left is: is anybody actually interested in ideas about getting politicians to change how they vote?

And, no, I am not talking about their principles.  As far as I can tell they don't have any.

534

On a related note, how many states got rid of their "millionaire" tax?  Indeed, Wisconsin, which otherwise has proven rather resistant to the Occupy crowd and where the Pubbies ran in 2010 in no small part on repealing the hundred-thousandaire tax imposed by Jim "Craps" Doyle (WEAC/HoChunk-For Sale) and his fellow Rats in 2009, actually reinforced the hundred-thousandaire tax by keeping the entire bracket and lowering its rate by the smallest percentage-point amount.

 

Why is that?  Why have the small-yet-violent Occupiers succeeded where the large-but-peaceful Tea Party failed?  If your answer ends with "presstitute organ coverage", you're limiting yourself.

535 I'm not opposed to amnesty, it just needs to be a long and burdensome road. Zero tolerance for serious crimes, pay taxes and a penalty, in 15 years you can apply for citizenship.

536

531 "But they can be manipulated and they will grudgingly go along with the political tide. If the tide is big enough, they will switch to claiming they started it all and try to take all the credit from those that did." Posted by: jc at August 08, 2013 06:12 PM (i8c5b)



Uhm.... why does that *ONLY* hold true for the Republican candidates and never ever ever the Dems?


Riddle me that.

537 And THAT my friend is how it truly "works".

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 06:03 PM (Ojgjr)

===

forget it.  anger gets me nowhere I don't need to add yours to mine.

538 A nanosecond after amnesty passes, my association with the GOP will be no more. After that point, I think one idea might be for a lot of us to register as Democrats and do all we can to wreak havoc on their party. This. We have to utterly extirpate the establishment GOP. Safe districts have to be rendered unsafe, and not just during primary season.

539

forget it. anger gets me nowhere I don't need to add yours to mine.

 

Posted by: jc at August 08, 2013 06:18 PM (i8c5b)

 

That's the problem - anger, especially when it manifests itself in defecation on cop cars, broken store windows, and assaults on one's class enemies, works.

 

Our problem - we don't have, and will never have, the protection of the local law-enforcing apparatus the Occupiers do.

540

"forget it. anger gets me nowhere I don't need to add yours to mine."

Posted by: jc at August 08, 2013 06:18 PM (i8c5b)

So much for those "ideas" of yours ...eh.

541 Let's for a minute imagine Boehner and House Republicans have zero principles and are only out for themselves.  I know, it's a stretch, but try.

What on Earth do they get out of this?  I don't think they're stupid, just selfish and spineless.  But Boehner will be gone as leader if this passes, at least a 100 House Republicans will have tough primaries even if they didn't go along (there will be a "throw all of them out" mantra) and there will likely be a real 3rd party challenge to dozens of seats.  All of which will put the House within reach for Democrats next election, to say nothing of the long term consequences of legalizing 20 million new Democrats.

What again is the benefit of all of this for the GOP?  A pat on the head from Joe Scarborough?  A thousand dollar check from the local Chamber of Commerce?

No matter what your motivation, it's just stupid all the way around.  I honestly can't figure it out, even if I was approaching it from a nihilistic perspective.

542 "What again is the benefit of all of this for the GOP?" For individuals like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio it's a leg up to the nomination--cause, hey, HISPANIC. For the rest of the GOP? ... PROFIT!!!1!!!!1!!!!

543

nanosecond after amnesty passes, my association with the GOP will be no more. After that point, I think one idea might be for a lot of us to register as Democrats and do all we can to wreak havoc on their party.

 

This. We have to utterly extirpate the establishment GOP. Safe districts have to be rendered unsafe, and not just during primary season.

 

Posted by: Schaeffer at August 08, 2013 06:23 PM (rqazu)

 

Brilliant logic with one huge fatal flaw - if we couldn't keep any influence over the minority half of the bipartisan Party-In-Government, what makes you think we'll have any influence over the majority half of the PIG?

544

Posted by: McAdams at August 08, 2013 06:27 PM (40nki)

 

It gives them total control over a minority party.  They value total control of nothing over partial control over a ruling coalition because they will keep their perks and their DC cocktail party invites.

545

541 "Brilliant logic with one huge fatal flaw - if we couldn't keep any influence over the minority half of the bipartisan Party-In-Government, what makes you think we'll have any influence over the majority half of the PIG?

Posted by: steveegg at August 08, 2013 06:30 PM (o44nj)

You're missing the point here. The goal is to relinquish any influence over the GOP and thereby shed any responsibility and undue blame for the predictable disastrous outcome. The fate of the Republican Party is complete. There is no saving it. Now is the time for Conservatives to separate themselves from the wreckage. And the only real separation comes from a truly Conservative Third Party identity.

546 542.

That may be what ends up happening, but I honestly don't think their plan is to destroy the GOP and they'll be in charge of the scraps.  That's sort of like saying I want to burn down my house so I can get control of the TV remote.

547 ______________________________

Ace Ace Ace Ace Ace: 

America's obscene, de facto Open Boarders policy is just a byproduct of an obscenely huge federal government that mindlessly 'believes' that it can do anything and handle any problem. 

More importantly, the game of winning elections to curtail a huge federal government was decided long, long ago.
I only finally realized that that game had long been over when Obamacare was passed into law. That event caused me to take a close look at the last 80 or so years of history and realize that the US federal government has only ever had one Leviathan trajectory.

Sure, I vote. Yes, I wanted Romney to win. And yes, I will continue to vote. But I haven't been under the illusion that elections might be able to solve America's gargantuan problems since Obamacare passed.
And it would make no difference even if the Republican party were behaving much better than it is and playing to win. We could have ten more Ted Cruz like figures and a majority in the Senate; fifty more in the House like him: and it would not make any difference in the long term trajectory.

There is only one solution to America's problems: a Constitutional Amendment that provides new mechanisms of checks and balances to limit the taxation power of the federal government. 
Note that a balanced budget amendment won't do the trick because there is no enforcement mechanism. - It would just lead to endless blatant violations of the Constitution which in turn would only further weaken the Constitution.

Here is what has to happen:
Article 1 Section 8 must be severely revised (via amendment) to state that Uncle Sam does not have the plenary right to tax anything it wants anytime it wants for any reason it wants. If such an amendment were to also give the lion share of taxation power to State governments yet make those State governments accountable to the federal government: voila, we would have a new set of mutual checks and balances over taxpayers dollars. The balanced between the US government an all 50 State governments.

"You think the federal government will just stop taking our money because it's written down on paper in the Constitution that they habitually ignore? What would be the enforcement mechanism to stop them?" - one might ask.

You don't need one.

Once the Constitution plainly states that any US citizen (or business entity) residing within a State is only obligated to pay taxes to his State government and is no longer obligated to pay taxes to the federal government: all those citizens simply stop sending their money to the federal government.

"Okay then, well what would the enforcement mechanism be to make sure that each State government would pay its tax obligation to the federal government? What could the federal government do, arrest an entire State?" - one might also ask.  

No, not the entire State. But the feds could certainly arrest any State government employee (like the treasurer) that obstructed or evaded tax collection.
What would be the motivation of a State employee (even a State's Governor) to not account for and give over the Constitutionally mandated taxes that a State owes the federal government?

So, yes, there would be massive federal intrusion into the accounting books of every State government. -  That's the very notion of a whole new set of checks & balances.

Wouldn't we rather have the federal government probing into pockets of each State government rather than into our personal pockets?

To be sure: Under _current_ federal law, what would happen if Oregon's treasurer arranged for all state employees' paychecks to not have any federal taxes taken out and paid over to the federal government? Obviously, the same thing would happen if you or I refused to pay our federal taxes. The feds would come and arrest Oregon's treasurer and anyone who knowingly conspired with him to evade taxes. 

So the enforcement mechanism that would ensure that each State paid its due taxes to the federal government is the very mechanism in place now. 

548 jc: "But they can be manipulated and they will grudgingly go along with the political tide."

No, they are manipulating us.

The Party system is a game existing to operate in the furtherance of itself. It is populated by those who actually like governance because it offers the most spoils. The illusion being perpetuated is that voters really matter. Hypothetically, they do, but this is an industry that lives and dies to protect its turf. Incumbency is in the high 90% range. The institutions are not even bound by their own laws because they write their own exclusions. They protect and reinforce their bubbles. They trade votes and spoils to retain their power and are expert at concealing their acts and intent.

The State reigns supreme. The ratcheting moves ever forward as the Leviathan crushes individuals. It happens from the Executive. It happens in the Legislative. It happens in the Judicial. We win an occasional battle but the war is being lost and now by bigger margins.

We are playthings.

549
546 jc: "But they can be manipulated and they will grudgingly go along with the political tide."

No, they are manipulating us.


That is correct.

Politics ultimately bows to power. And the people can flex the greatest amount of power by destroying a corrupt established Party via the creation of a new Third party.

Rest assured - the New Party Leaders will get message for some time.

550

You're missing the point here. The goal is to relinquish any influence over the GOP and thereby shed any responsibility and undue blame for the predictable disastrous outcome. The fate of the Republican Party is complete. There is no saving it. Now is the time for Conservatives to separate themselves from the wreckage. And the only real separation comes from a truly Conservative Third Party identity.

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 06:36 PM (Ojgjr)

 

While that is true, the attempt to fuck up the Rats by "joining them" is even more doomed than the Republicanos Legados.

551 They won't rebuild it. They don't have the skill, or the knowledge. We build the shelters and grow the food. They will turn to us. And we will rebuild it the way it should be built. Posted by: SGT. York at August 08, 2013 04:42 PM (k4ehJ) You mean "They will turn ON us, and devour our savings, our industry, and ,finally, our corpses, when all else has been consumed."

552 ______________________________

- Anyway, that would do the trick.
If the taxation powers of the federal government were to become truly limited, that would massively curtail the size and scope of the federal government.

I know it's hard to imagine how that would make the difference on the issue of open boarders immigration. But it would.

With less money to collect and spend, the federal government would be less busy-body and intrusive.
And it would also sharpen and narrow voters' focus on just what kind of issues the federal government should be handling: like sound immigration policy.

If the federal government were generally curtailed, it would have less to do. And more attention and scrutiny would be focused on the things it did do.

553

That may be what ends up happening, but I honestly don't think their plan is to destroy the GOP and they'll be in charge of the scraps. That's sort of like saying I want to burn down my house so I can get control of the TV remote.

 

Posted by: McAdams at August 08, 2013 06:38 PM (40nki)

 

Since they're moving into the mother-in-law suite in the detached garage to gain control of the TV remote, they don't mind if the mansion burns down.

554 "469 If everyone caterwauling here would continue to work on their own representatives(and no kids, you won't always get your own way with them, they do represent everyone in your district, including the big donors and businesses), we could effect change. Uh-huh. And how's that worked out for you so far on the national level? Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 05:09 PM (Ojgjr)" A hellavuh lot better than if all the house and senate were Dems. Imagine what this place would look like if that were the case. My conservative representative was swept out of office in 2008 with the Obama fever. He was promptly put back in in 2010 when his 2008 Dem replacement turned out to be a big loser even to the local Dems. He won reelection because not only did a bunch of us work hard to get him reelected but because he was positive to all in his district including the Dems. He was reelected again in 2012 and will be running again in 2014. He has to be representative to the Dem's concerns, and in my particular district, many of the Dem's concerns are the same as mine. The economy, jobs, inflation, foreign intervention , etc. Sure, most of my Dem neighbors are LIV, but are willing to listen. Most have a bit of an anti-government streak, although they have no problems taking from the Gov., mainly because they don't really understand where it all comes from. We have to be more willing to discuss politics with our friends, relatives and neighbors. Lead and educate by example. The only way we are going to change things is starting at the roots. The Democrat/progressives have recognized this and worked at it for years. Why do you think they have expanded so much effort at the inner city, the schools, the university level, this group and that group? Because you have to convince people that you are right and the Progs appeal to the basic instincts of people. There is no reason conservatives can't do the same thing. What is more basic to people than having security(why do you think we have been winning the 2nd amendment fight?), income(the dems promise AND DELIVER-free this and that, social security, medicaid, EBT cards, etc.) Again, no reason the conservatives can't win on that front, but they have to be smart. Conservatives must offer a reasonable alternative-help to get on your feet so no one can ever take it away-not the 'stop the EBT cards for the lazy fu&*s." The conservatives consistantly say no to the progs ideas, but then do not articulate their own ideas. They often appear that they are just the mean parent who says no to little Johnny's dreams and desires, instead of helping Johnny independently achieve his dreams. So where does Johnny go, he goes to the Progs who promise him all kinds of help and safety nets, that of course, never end. Rush discussed this today, about how most people are not self starters. This is true,most need to be motivated and I would add, directed. The progs/Dems understand that well and they motivate the masses with their utopian promises and security nets. Then they direct them with sign up for this and that, (the ObamaCare roll out is an example.) The conservatives, IMO, often are self starters and overlook this, as does the Republican party. They assume people will just naturally think for themselves and will be attracted to the philosophy of the Repubs, and forget that they have to actually offer the direction and motivation.

555 While that is true, the attempt to fuck up the Rats by "joining them" is even more doomed than the Republicanos Legados.

Posted by: steveegg at August 08, 2013 06:48 PM (o44nj)

If your enemy is attempting to commit suicide - don't stop him. And you might just sharpen his blade for him or give him a bigger gun.

556 "I can't do a damn thing about what a Ill or Florida Rep says or how he votes. But I can influence my own Rep, who is hosting his own town hall later this month. If everyone caterwauling here would continue to work on their own representatives(and no kids, you won't always get your own way with them, they do represent everyone in your district, including the big donors and businesses), we could effect change."


         Keep dreaming, John Boener or Nancy Pelosi control your Rep. as soon as they enter the beltway, and if they cant control them, they marginalize them.

557 Ace, don't'cha just wish you go go back and show this post to yourself last April during THEOCRAT vs. INEVITABLE ? Don't'cha?

558 Schock is my Rep. I've voted for him every time I voted and he was running (sat out 2008, could not and still can't stomach McCain).  I won't be voting for him anymore.  Might go ahead and vote for a Dem in 2014 if it looks like he might lose, otherwise sit it out.  

I'm with Ace although I think I really gave up when McCain started talking about the "casino culture" on Wall Street and got behind the bailout in 2008.  I realized "what am I voting for other than to choose who will screw me over less" and even that wasn't assured.  I voted in 2012 because I thought surely now everyone can see what a dead end this Obamanomics was but I underestimated the stupidity of the American people.  Won't happen again.

559

If your enemy is attempting to commit suicide - don't stop him. And you might just sharpen his blade for him or give him a bigger gun.

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 07:02 PM (Ojgjr)

 

How, exactly, are you going to give the Rats, which are 100% opposed to you, a bigger gun/sharper blade when you have no influence in a smaller organization that is merely 80% opposed to you?

560 Posted by: Jen at August 08, 2013 06:50 PM (wh+9d)



The ultimate point of the Third Party is Conservative control of the leadership. No matter how many conservative representatives are elected to the GOP, a sizable number will always be peeled away and the power of the remaining will be neutered by the Establishment Power base.

Also, a Third Party will attract the remaining Conservative reps away from the GOP. The end results will be devastating to the GOP Party Establishment because it will remove all political cover for the RINOs since they will have no more neo-con "wacky birds" within the Party to blame for the predictable policy clustefarks that are already developing.

561 557 How, exactly, are you going to give the Rats, which are 100% opposed to you, a bigger gun/sharper blade when you have no influence in a smaller organization that is merely 80% opposed to you?

Posted by: steveegg at August 08, 2013 07:17 PM (o44nj)

Influence by subtraction. The more Conservatives leave the Grand Old Progressives, the more liberal RINO's will fill the void. There will be little to no conservative "wacky bird" political cover for the RINOs to blame their failed policies on - especially when the Third Party is gaining momentum in opposition to the RINO's.

562

Influence by subtraction. The more Conservatives leave the Grand Old Progressives, the more liberal RINO's will fill the void. There will be little to no conservative "wacky bird" political cover for the RINOs to blame their failed policies on - especially when the Third Party is gaining momentum in opposition to the RINO's.

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 07:21 PM (Ojgjr)

 

Which can be done without the suicide mission to the Rat Party.  That was tried once, after the disintegration of the Federalist Party in 1816, and it took 16 years (and 8 after the corruption of the 1824 election) for an alternative to happen.

 

By contrast, when the Whig Party (said alternative) disintegrated, there was a nearly-ready-made alternative to the Rats (the GOP began in 1854, 2 years after the Whigs flamed out), and by 1861, the Rats were so far out of power they threw a Civil War.

563 My problem on a 3rd Party is we can't all agree what it would look like.

I've got a feeling a "Constitution Tea Party" that rose up would mainly be SoCon idiocy on steroids.  Think Christine O'Donnell (who ran on a  similar 3rd Party platform before getting the GOP nomination in Delaware) and you're probably there.  I have no interest in that wing.

I'm more of a Libertarian conservative, but Libertarians largely support open borders, so they're out.

I like a lot of what Rand Paul is saying, but I don't like his father's Jane Fonda schtick (but I'm also sick of the super hawk bullshit the neocons are spouting)

What kind of Party do you make from this?

564
"By contrast, when the Whig Party (said alternative) disintegrated, there was a nearly-ready-made alternative to the Rats (the GOP began in 1854, 2 years after the Whigs flamed out), and by 1861, the Rats were so far out of power they threw a Civil War."

Posted by: steveegg at August 08, 2013 07:28 PM (o44nj)

Uh-huh. Thanks for the history lesson perfesser. Now show me the historical parallel for a Far-Left Socialist Party, their Demagogue Tyrant of a leader, and the opposition Party that basically enabled the Far-Left socialist by adopting the same policies under the false guise of a "winning" political strategy.

We're not repeating history here son - we're making it. The script is still being written. 

565

Welcome to reality, Ace.

 

Enjoy your stay.

 

Keep your powder dry, kids...and build your 'networks' locally, just in case.

566 "What kind of Party do you make from this?"   

The Moron Party?

567

Uh-huh. Thanks for the history lesson perfesser. Now show me the historical parallel for a Far-Left Socialist Party, their Demagogue Tyrant of a leader, and the opposition Party that basically enabled the Far-Left socialist by adopting the same policies under the false guise of a "winning" political strategy.

 

We're not repeating history here son - we're making it. The script is still being written.

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 07:39 PM (Ojgjr)

 

Tell me exactly how infiltrating the Rats, after we proved we couldn't influence the less-hostile and smaller Pubbies, is going to work better than simply going third-party and ultimately shoving the GOP to the curb.

568 564.

I like it

What's funny is, I would say 99% of Republicans I come into contact with largely have the same view, but somehow the wrong people got a hold of the party power structure and the message.

If we can just dodge the bullet of Amnesty, I honestly believe the McCain's of the GOP are on their way out and the GOP future will be more like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

569 Constitution Party.

570
"Tell me exactly how infiltrating the Rats, after we proved we couldn't influence the less-hostile and smaller Pubbies, is going to work better than simply going third-party and ultimately shoving the GOP to the curb."

Posted by: steveegg at August 08, 2013 07:52 PM (o44nj)

What exactly do you mean by "infiltrating the Rats" ?

If you mean - voting for Democrap candidates - then that would obviously mean accelerating the inevitable burn-down of the RINO Party. And all the sooner for the Phoenix to rise (so to speak) from the ashes in a Third Party.

571

What exactly do you mean by "infiltrating the Rats" ?

If you mean - voting for Democrap candidates - then that would obviously mean accelerating the inevitable burn-down of the RINO Party. And all the sooner for the Phoenix to rise (so to speak) from the ashes in a Third Party.

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 08:11 PM (Ojgjr)

 

Let's go back to the lunacy that you, Reggie1971 and Schaeffer espouse - After that point, I think one idea might be for a lot of us to register as Democrats and do all we can to wreak havoc on their party.  Again, how the fuck are you going to "wreak havoc" on a party that is more-hostile and larger than the one we lost control of?

 

As for the lunacy of voting for the Rats, what credibiliy does an opposition to a 100% of the vote/100% turnout party have?  NONE!  If you want opposition to mean something, either withhold your vote entirely or vote for somebody other than one who represents either half of the bipartisan Party-In-Government.  Don't give the Rats the 100%/100% "legitimacy" Hugo Chavez, Saddam Hussein, and other despots have.

572
"Again, how the fuck are you going to "wreak havoc" on a party that is more-hostile and larger than the one we lost control of?"


By giving them all the victories they desire, and there by speeding up the demise wrought through their policies. As stupid and vapid as the mouth breathing public is, they surely have their limit to the amount of policy-stupid they can live with. Let's find out what that limit is. It's inevitable.

573

There's bribery.  And then there are the Clinton's FBI files.  And the NSA.

Maybe this is coercion.

574

By giving them all the victories they desire, and there by speeding up the demise wrought through their policies. As stupid and vapid as the mouth breathing public is, they surely have their limit to the amount of policy-stupid they can live with. Let's find out what that limit is. It's inevitable.

 

Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 08:47 PM (Ojgjr)

 

Enjoy the 74 96-and-counting years of darkness the Russians experienced are experiencing, the 64-and-counting years of darkness the bulk of the Chinese are experiencing, the 54-and-counting years of darkness the Cubans are experiencing because they followed that plan.

575 Enjoy the 74 96-and-counting years of darkness the Russians experienced are experiencing, the 64-and-counting years of darkness the bulk of the Chinese are experiencing, the 54-and-counting years of darkness the Cubans are experiencing because they followed that plan.

Posted by: steveegg at August 08, 2013 08:58 PM (o44nj)

Uhm..... none of those countries ever tasted the sweet milk of the American Experiment that is the representative republic in their pasts. We have. And that taste still lingers. Making the decline all the unpalatable - even for the stupid.

And if not - then the entire cause is already pointless - no?

576 Limbaugh likes to explain how conservatives stayed home last November because Romney didn't excite or court them. Now you are quitting? Please don't tell me you love freedom or this country when at the time of threat all you do is pick up your ball and go home. That isn't worthy of all those who fought to give us a chance. In fact it is as spoiled and cynical as all those who you claim to detest. Quitters didn't build this contry and they sure as hell aren't going to save it. Damn cowards.

577 Posted by: Coleridge at August 08, 2013 09:20 PM (BglJL)


Picking up my ball and going home is a damn sight more preferable than handing it over to the GOP Party of Democrap-lites.

578 Romney would not have been a "victory". He would have been the lesser of two losses. But still a loss. The Democraps give us the option of Socialism. The GOP simply gives us the option of bi-partisan Socialism at a slightly slower pace.

Pick your death: fast of slightly less fast.

579 I'm glad Romney lost. He gave Democrats the idiotic argument that Obamacare was a Republican idea. He could never explain why it wasn't, and that was because he never wanted to repeal it, or gay marriage or abortion or gun restrictions. He was full of shit, and they all are. Their plan for America is to make it like Detroit, where 17% of the public bothers to vote and 47% are illiterate. Fuck them.

580 My ancestors came here from Scotland, and our family has lived in WV since pre-Revolution days. We have fought in every war. Every generation has served in the military. We are either coal miners, carpenters or doctors -- builders and healers. Quite a lot of crazy motherfuckers, too, but that's neither here nor there. We were always here for America throughout the years and built this country. We can build another one somewhere else and will.

581 It was fun living in Canada for two years. I hate Canada, but I loved not giving a fuck.

582 So.... speaking of non-politics, what parts should I get for my AR-15 build? Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at August 08, 2013 03:38 PM (09o/X) Ace wrote, "There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance. It is unavoidable." It should be noted the last time this happened, when disaffected Whigs such as Lincoln and Fremont split off from the wishy-washy, go-along and get-along Whig Party and formed the Republican Party, one thing led to another and events culminated in a cataclysmic Civil War; thus, your query regarding parts for an AR-15 build, given context, are not non-political at all. We live in a different, faster-moving age. There won't be 20 years of Democratic dominance. The authoritarian neo-Marxist Left disguising themselves as Democrats will probably enjoy another 8 or 9 years of unchecked political dominance, with all that entails. After that, they will be facing organized domestic opposition of one kind or another. If we were smart (and most of us aren't), they would be facing it now.

583 y giving them all the victories they desire, and there by speeding up the demise wrought through their policies. As stupid and vapid as the mouth breathing public is, they surely have their limit to the amount of policy-stupid they can live with. Let's find out what that limit is. It's inevitable. Posted by: Strife at August 08, 2013 08:47 PM (Ojgjr) Sorry, I've never bought into the 'winning by losing' argument. Losing is losing. Winners never quit, quitters never win.

584 Sorry, I've never bought into the 'winning by losing' argument. Losing is losing. Winners never quit, quitters never win. Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2013 10:08 PM (ptcFO)

I'm not quitting. I'm not giving up my conservative values. I'm simply advocating sabotage to both the existing socialist parties.

Because..... this isn't a game of winning and losing - this is a war of living and dying. Adapt and defeat. But never quite fighting.

585 This is simply outstanding, Ace. I agree wholeheartedly.

586 "Sorry, I've never bought into the 'winning by losing' argument. Losing is losing. Winners never quit, quitters never win. Posted by: troyriser at August 08, 2013 10:08 PM (ptcFO)" The establishment - Romney, Cornyn et al. are clear that they want to give Obama his way for three years and then complain Hillary shouldn't continue "failed policies". Get that? The incumbents want to quit and put it on Republican X in 2016. Backing the incumbents is quitting. Letting them retain power in 2014 is giving up.

587 The establishment - Romney, Cornyn et al. are clear that they want to give Obama his way for three years and then complain Hillary shouldn't continue "failed policies". Get that? The incumbents want to quit and put it on Republican X in 2016. Backing the incumbents is quitting. Letting them retain power in 2014 is giving up. -  Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 08, 2013 11:30 PM (+4pu5)




^^^ THIS ^^^

588

Wait till that traitorous pile of crap Marco starts making noise about abortion against Hillary.  You will be back.  Maybe some Muslim kills Ameicans and Krispie Kreme Christie will get all huffy and say we have to kill the terrorists.  You will be back.

 

I wish I was wrong.

589

Mike,

 

Fuck you......no I won't.  You don't get it.... the political parties (yes, both of them) have destroyed any patriotism I had left.  If the day comes that we as a nation move back to the founding, I'm all in.  Til then?  The R's can blow me....I'm not their bitch.

590 My thoughts FWIW: http://wannabeanglican.blogspot.com/2013/08/ace-goes-3rd-party-and-i-might-too.html I might be going 3rd Party before long myself.

591 "Quitters didn't build this contry and they sure as hell aren't going to save it. Damn cowards."

     What I am building for myself and mine are separate from this country. This country is subverted, perverted and a caricature of what the founding fathers bestowed upon us.   Clinging to an ideal, while all around us the reality is smacking us in the face, is lunacy. Its over.  There is no path back to good government, there is only following it down the drain and being ready to take the reins after the collapse.

    Here is a clue for you.  if your small government republicans cant even force NPR into the private sector, what fucking chance do you think they have in making a real change for the better?  grow the fuck up and face reality.

592 I, for one, am very, very angry, to the point of being willing to abandon the GOP completely. But it ain't defeat until a) the bill actually passes AND b) the 2014 elections render their verdict on the Dem/RINO amnesty. I can see an amnesty precipitating an election so devastating that it's reversed after 2016 or even 2014.

This bill passes and I'll be more than happy to vote for any party that supports taxing to death the rich sunuvabitches who want to turn us into a country of serfs. But we're not there yet. Keep up the fight.