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December 09, 2013

Hersh: Obama lied about Syria sarin
— Purple Avenger

... A former senior intelligence official told me that the Obama administration had altered the available information Â– in terms of its timing and sequence Â– to enable the president and his advisers to make intelligence retrieved days after the attack look as if it had been picked up and analysed in real time, as the attack was happening...
...The same official said there was immense frustration inside the military and intelligence bureaucracy: Â‘The guys are throwing their hands in the air and saying, Â“How can we help this guyÂ” Â– Obama Â– Â“when he and his cronies in the White House make up the intelligence as they go along?Â”Â’...

Were it not for the unintended opening snarkily offered by Kerry, that Vlad Putin pounced on...we'd probably be wagging the dog right now.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 04:08 PM | Comments (80)
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1 Foist?

Posted by: massideas at December 09, 2013 04:10 PM (v32fM)

2 Bush lied, people...

Oh.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2013 04:10 PM (8ZskC)

3 Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

Posted by: massideas at December 09, 2013 04:10 PM (v32fM)

4 S Hersh vs. TFG

There's a credibility contest.

1st.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 04:10 PM (DL2i+)

5 Nobody out-types the horde with an actual comment.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 04:10 PM (DL2i+)

6 Making it up as they go along? You don't say....

Posted by: grammie winger at December 09, 2013 04:11 PM (P6QsQ)

7 Not going to start believing a scumbag like Hersh just because I hate Obama.

Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2013 04:11 PM (zqvg6)

8 You mean Obama was less than straightforward with us? Get out.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2013 04:11 PM (sdi6R)

9 I never pick up a phone after three in the afternoon.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 09, 2013 04:12 PM (oFCZn)

10 This is truly hard to believe from the bunch whose first impulse was to order an internet search for any blasphemous video about mohammed when they were faced with blame for the fact that they failed to anticipate an obvious terrorist threat.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2013 04:12 PM (8ZskC)

11 Hard to believe that just 12 weeks ago the world would spiral out of control if we didn't attack Syria. What a reckless bunch this is.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 09, 2013 04:12 PM (l3vZN)

12 S Hersh vs. TFG There's a credibility contest. This. I don't know which one to disbelieve more.

Posted by: toby928© at December 09, 2013 04:12 PM (QupBk)

13 I am just stunned that this admin did something less than honest. Stunned I tell you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 09, 2013 04:12 PM (GEICT)

14 We can't believe anything that this administration tells us.

Posted by: wheatie at December 09, 2013 04:12 PM (+SY5G)

15 Could be worse ... imagine President Colon Powell.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 09, 2013 04:13 PM (6/+vz)

16 If Obama says the sky is blue, you better go out and take a look, just to be sure.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 04:13 PM (UVadJ)

17 Colon Powell is advising O on all matters Middle East. Because he was something back in the day.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 09, 2013 04:13 PM (l0lja)

18 When are the government employees and senior officers with character and integrity going to step up to the plate?

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2013 04:13 PM (XdnQT)

It's like we're being...occupied.

The Occupier in Chief.

Posted by: wheatie at December 09, 2013 04:14 PM (+SY5G)

20 18 When are the government employees and senior officers with character and integrity going to step up to the plate? That was sarcasm, right ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 09, 2013 04:14 PM (6/+vz)

21 . imagine President Colon Powell.

Smells a lot like Obama. As a practical matter, there would have been little difference. They both seem equally clueless

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 04:14 PM (UVadJ)

22 Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 09, 2013 08:13 PM (l0lja)

"and diversity"

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2013 04:14 PM (XdnQT)

23 Cooking the intel?

"I'm shocked!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 04:14 PM (5oAy6)

24 18 When are the government employees and senior officers with character and integrity going to step up to the plate? Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2013 08:13 PM (XdnQT) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2013 04:15 PM (ZIHC+)

25 Posted by: ScoggDog at December 09, 2013 08:14 PM (6/+vz)

True, I forgot the /sarc.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2013 04:15 PM (XdnQT)

26 9 I never pick up a phone ... unless it's for a tee time. FIFY

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 09, 2013 04:15 PM (l0lja)

27 Yeah, saw this over at Insty? When you lose your hard core leftys, shit is going to get real. Don't worry, no one will cover this. Mandela died to protect "The One".

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 09, 2013 04:16 PM (0FSuD)

28 21 . Smells a lot like Obama. As a practical matter, there would have been little difference. They both seem equally clueless. And therein lies the rub. They're definitely NOT clueless ... it's just hard for you and I to wrap our heads around their end goals.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 09, 2013 04:17 PM (6/+vz)

29 Can't imagine what they did to the Iran Nuke intelligence?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2013 04:17 PM (nzKvP)

30
"and diversity"

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2013 08:14 PM (XdnQT)

Democrat view: Colon is "semi-white" because he served in a white man's cabinet.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 09, 2013 04:17 PM (l0lja)

31 Mandela died to protect "The One". Heh. I remember when the O was there last time, and the family wouldn't let him visit Mandela. Afraid he'd smother him with a pillow was my guess.

Posted by: toby928© at December 09, 2013 04:17 PM (QupBk)

32 This shit keeps up, we might get skeptical. Nah, just fooling on ya.

Posted by: NY Times Editors at December 09, 2013 04:18 PM (0FSuD)

33 >>>Were it not for the unintended opening snarkily offered by Kerry, that Vlad Putin pounced on...we'd probably be wagging the dog right now.<<<

I know, wasn't that great. I may end up running for Pres again because of that brilliance.

Posted by: John Kerry at December 09, 2013 04:18 PM (uakI+)

34 Can't imagine what they did to the Iran Nuke intelligence?

Deep fried with some tasty habanero sauce.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 04:18 PM (UVadJ)

35 Watching this administration is like watching 6 monkeys trying to fuck a football.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2013 04:19 PM (FMbng)

36 31 Heh. I remember when the O was there last time, and the family wouldn't let him visit Mandela. Afraid he'd smother him with a pillow was my guess. Turnabout is fair play. It wasn't THAT long ago that he was on our Terrorist Watch List - back in the day before Terrorists knocked down our skyscrapers.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 09, 2013 04:19 PM (6/+vz)

37 Deep fried with some tasty habanero sauce. Posted by: Purp at December 09, 2013 08:18 PM (UVadJ) Don't forget the two weeks of brinning!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 09, 2013 04:20 PM (0FSuD)

38 Iranian intel? It was served as a falafel.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 04:20 PM (5oAy6)

39 Seymour Hersh is such a well-established liar that if this were a Star Trek TOS episode, he could blow up the enemy supercomputer just by telling it "Computer, I am lying".

Posted by: HTL at December 09, 2013 04:20 PM (1EJIj)

40 If you like your concocted excuse for war, you can keep your concocted excuse for war.

Posted by: --- at December 09, 2013 04:21 PM (MMC8r)

41 Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2013 08:19 PM (FMbng)

Main difference is that the monkies are not inherently evil at their core and don't hate America.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2013 04:21 PM (XdnQT)

42 He's a damn madman. An honest-too-God madman.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2013 04:21 PM (DmNpO)

43 The actual veracity of the Hersh claim is almost irrelevant -- people's attitudes about Obama have changed enough that believing the president is lying about shit has become a given

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 09, 2013 04:23 PM (UVadJ)

44 Seymour Hersh is such a well-established liar that if this were a Star Trek TOS episode, he could blow up the enemy supercomputer just by telling it "Computer, I am lying". This raises the question, if he is lying, why? Uber-lefties have turned on Obama?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 09, 2013 04:23 PM (sByIH)

45 OT: Da BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 09, 2013 04:23 PM (JFrBt)

46 Heh. I remember when the O was there last time, and the family wouldn't let him visit Mandela. Afraid he'd smother him with a pillow was my guess. He's always been like a grandmother to him.

Posted by: --- at December 09, 2013 04:23 PM (MMC8r)

47 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2013 08:21 PM (DmNpO)

With this administration, you need to be more specific!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2013 04:23 PM (XdnQT)

48 so where's code pink and the giant paper mache puppets? got to admit, I kinda liked the puppets

Posted by: navycopjoe FORZA AZZURRI!!! at December 09, 2013 04:24 PM (JFrBt)

49 So now we know why the left believed that Bush was making it all up about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. They would have made it all up so obviously Bush must have been doing what they would have done in his place.

It's projection all the way out.

Posted by: Well this explains everything. at December 09, 2013 04:24 PM (16/TU)

50 What is this going on in South Africa? Something about Morgan Freeman?

Posted by: Bigby's Boxing Gloves at December 09, 2013 04:25 PM (RLTt1)

51 There's ncj! Is there a game tonight?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 09, 2013 04:25 PM (P6QsQ)

52 Seymour Hersh, "LIV, everything Gaylord says is a lie."

Gaylord, "I am truthful about Syrian intelligence."

*LIV starts to arc and sputter before gears and hamsters explode.*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2013 04:25 PM (5oAy6)

53 You Wacko Birds and Hersh just aren't listening to the right pseudo-grad student think-tankers. We should have invaded yesterday. Then we could be talking about invading China and Australia today. And Thursday is "Let's invade Russia" Day.

You all just don't love the military enough.

Posted by: John McPain at December 09, 2013 04:26 PM (eHIJJ)

54 MNF Thread up.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 09, 2013 04:26 PM (bCEmE)

55 Make sure you guys tune into Fox tonight. Since there is nothing going on in this country worth talking about, I'm doing my 300th episode on marijuana and/or booze tonight.

Posted by: Bill O Reilly at December 09, 2013 04:26 PM (1aC1J)

56 Elbow thread

Posted by: grammie winger at December 09, 2013 04:26 PM (P6QsQ)

57 And the timing of this attempt to wag the dog is proof positive, in my mind, that the Obama administration KNEW exactly how bad the Obamacare roll out would be.

Posted by: Gonzo at December 09, 2013 04:29 PM (nTd0a)

58 Why worry about Iran or Syria? After the Pentagon LGTBQ Rally we can always send a coupla guys in there to quick scope all the bad Patriarchy male persons, and we win!

Posted by: OFA 4-Star General, Mayonnaisea VanLesbian at December 09, 2013 04:30 PM (wgzFF)

59 "40 If you like your concocted excuse for war, you can keep your concocted excuse for war.

Posted by: --- at December 09, 2013 08:21 PM (MMC8r)"

----

ha ha nice.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2013 04:31 PM (7mQyC)

60 "Obama Lied, People Died" bumper stickers in ..

Well... never

No protest concerts from Bruce Springsteen either

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2013 04:31 PM (aTXUx)

61 At JWF, the Alan Grayson story says: "In 2009, Grayson also fell victim to a fraud scheme in which a company called Derivium Capital committed a similar crime to ChapmanÂ’s. The congressman won $34 million after filing a lawsuit based on federal racketeering laws, the AP report notes." So not only is this troglodyte a sucker, he'll probably come out richer by lawfare.

Posted by: --- at December 09, 2013 04:34 PM (MMC8r)

62 60 - Awww I'm guess messages during concerts aren't gonna happen either.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2013 04:35 PM (7mQyC)

63
Â‘The guys are throwing their hands in the air and saying, Â“How can we help this guyÂ” Â– Obama Â–

Since when is the military and intel pukes' job to "help this guy"???? Silly me, I thought that their job was to provide the President with most accurate intel possible, regardless of how it affects the President's poll numbers.

I must be monumentally naive.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2013 04:37 PM (TIIx5)

64 So he demonstrably lied about intelligence concerning WMD in order to engage us in a war of choice?
Did I get that right?

Media, that's not an interesting story is it? Heh I didn't think so.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 09, 2013 04:38 PM (0q2P7)

65 Never call a bluff from a self-proclaimed genius.

Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2013 04:38 PM (TKFmG)

66 I read the same thing The Washington Times. IÂ’m sure they used what they wanted to use about IranÂ’s nuclear program too.

Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2013 04:39 PM (z4WKX)

67 HeÂ’s like about everything to get elected & reelected!

Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2013 04:48 PM (z4WKX)

68 OK, so the jist of this is that Obama set up the "timeline" that makes it seem like we know that on Friday, the Syrians did that, and then Saturday morning they did this, and then etc. And our intel did not come in like that, thus the impression given that we actually know what the Syrians are doing as in a timeline is wrong. Makes sense. But wouldn't you create a timeline when you start investigating an incident?

Posted by: sexypig at December 09, 2013 04:51 PM (dZQh7)

69 I think it's pretty obvious that Hersh is lying -- and so is Obama. Hersh lies because reporting big sensational "hard-hitting scoops" is a way to relive his glory days of retyping North Vietnamese propaganda fliers for the New York Times. It's all he knows how to do. Obama lies for a similar reason: his whole life has been built on fraud and manipulating people by telling them what they want to hear. It's all he knows how to do, as well. So in this situation, my guess is that Hersh probably has most of the details wrong: all the minutiae about who knew what when is likely hogwash. But the main fact, that Obama lied about the Sarin intel for political gain is so obvious that it's barely journalism to report it. Of course Obama lied about it. Unfortunately, Hersh's article tells us nothing about what the actual truth of the situation is. We know Obama's lies, and now we know Hersh's lies. The truth? Still hidden.

Posted by: Trimegistus at December 09, 2013 04:58 PM (5nb1M)

70 Sy Hersh? Fuck, Purp, why don't we just start linking Alex Jones and WND while we're at it?

Posted by: Andy at December 09, 2013 05:21 PM (0ZQCB)

71 I'm sure Lew Rockwell has already made these allegations

Posted by: Roy at December 09, 2013 05:37 PM (mlEid)

72 I'm pretty certain he's been distorting the Sauron intel, as well.

Posted by: Anachronda Hairytoes at December 09, 2013 05:39 PM (U82Km)

73 Seymour Hersch wore me out. I read the whole thing, and, whew! In the end, the questions raised just showed me that Barakka is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 09, 2013 05:39 PM (uYO4C)

74 Cue the Obama thug smackdown a la Fournier and Ezra in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: csmats at December 09, 2013 05:40 PM (iZyEj)

75 Hersh cannot be trusted. The International Bankers support Israel, who oppresses the people of Palestine. Social Justice demands prompt military action to stop Israeli aggression. If we truly believe in stopping rogue states, we must support Syria against Israel.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at December 09, 2013 05:42 PM (7ppVp)

76 Note, Vlad Putin said the US Intel was wrong... and he had proof.... Sadly, I trust his veracity more than either Obama, or Hersh...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2013 05:53 PM (lZBBB)

77 US intelligence rips a few dozen utube videos and presto! Corpse count update.

... or did they accidentally download the aug-oct 4 hour Russian dash cam compilation?

Posted by: 13times at December 09, 2013 05:59 PM (fGPLK)

78 If you like your video, you can keep your video..., period.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 09, 2013 05:59 PM (aDwsi)

79 Â“How can we help this guyÂ” Â– Obama Â– Â“when he and his cronies in the White House make up the intelligence as they go along?Â”Â’... Stop doing it. If the time ever comes where you're going to need the guy to stick his neck out for you, you will discover that he won't be there.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 09, 2013 07:30 PM (PAC/c)

80 Vlad Putin - Man of the Year. Just sayin'. Someone's got to keep the Nobel Peace Prize winner from waging war. Amirite?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 10, 2013 05:35 AM (1hM1d)

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