1 What does La Raza say? 

2 Julian "No" Bond.  Who says blacks can't be racist haters?  Julian does as he spews his racist hate. 

3 DrewM,

Coloring outside the lines again?

4 *turns on foglights*

5 I'm feeling very gray today.

Oh, and deport the lot of 'em.

6 It's almost as though giving people endless mounds of free shit makes them more likely to want more free shit. Crazy.

7 Earned path to citizenship=Legal immigration

8 Behold the formatting majesty of Minx 0.7 alpha.

9 Fuck the New York Rangers.

10 When you're a preferred class who can easily get a sack full of free stuff, why not keep voting in favor of it?

11 Shut off the flow at the Govt teat and this will likely solve itself. Which is exactly why the Dems need their votes.

12 Bigger government means the mulatto President will make the racist scum white people give me their money, right? Si, I am in favor of that.

13

I'll take the Huevos Rancheros, over Medium.

14 Sombrero shops hardest hit.

15 It's almost as though giving people endless mounds of free shit makes them more likely to want more free shit.

Consistent across the whole spectrum of genders and skin colors.

16 Breaking NEWS:
Free Shit Army likes FREE SHIT!

Film at 11.

17 Not entirely OT, but we somehow need to get this out to the public. The German family that wanted to homeschool is not worthy of refugee status. The Boston bomber family was.

If we combine the two, it's one more thing to hang around Holder's neck.

18 Cincuenta shades de gravy

19

Pablo Pantoja

 

I love Messican last names that sound like an insult.

20 Facts are racist.

21 Let's just carve the Country up formally--we are already doing it de facto. 

22 I better get out of here before I get lynched ....

23 Oh, most certainly Heather.

24 Feeling the Curbs Americans just won't feel.

25 La Raze is not racist at all. And why shouldn't our people be on top for once? Only a racist would say La Raza is racist! Viva La Raza you white racist pendejo scum! Also gimme half your shit. Por Favor. You scum. Gracias pendejos.

26 Second-generation Hispanics tend to be more accepting of homosexuality than the general public; their views on abortion are similar to those of the general public.

Kinda implies their Catholicism--one of the things that gets highlighted as "conservative"--is of the Nancy Pelosi flavour.

27 Shorter Pablo:  "Your ass-kissing isn't supple enough, GOP."

28 Julian Bond:  "Anyone who posts at AoS is obviously a racist of the worst order---the Taliban of blog posters. 

29 I think the second generation numbers are evidence that government indoctrination from "head start" tp graduation is effective.

30 So Pablo was born an American citizen, yet identifies as a Puerto Rican, whatever the fuck that is, and seems to think everyone is talking about him when the words "illegal immigrant" are uttered. Tribe over country. That's how they do. Except for the honkeys. They're not allowed.

31 It's nice to know the Republicans would sell out the country. 

32 My group:  "La Blanco Raza" still has only one dues paying member.  Me. 

33 331  Everyone has a price. 

34 The Republican tongue is too scratchy. Mi bungholio prefers the silky smooth tongue of the Democrats. Viva La Raza! Viva Amnestia!

35 Only 1 retweet? Wow, that's some bullshit there. Shit. Maybe it's time to start twittering. Sigh...

36 "Hispanics Are "Natural Conservatives", They Just Prefer Bigger Government." Actually those are the conservatives that the GOP wishes they had.

37 Is Puerto Rico near Cleveland? 

38 Also gimme half your shit. Por Favor. You scum. Posted by: Jose Mecha La Raza de Aztlan at May 15, 2013 10:55 AM (ZPrif) Indeed. What they don't realize is that, unlike in Mexico, some of us are reaching the 'come and take it' point. We've spent the last 4 years buying weapons and ammo at a ferocious pace to protect it, too.

39 Those same people came from countries where the gov routinely "disappears" people and murders them. Do you think they will have any problem with the IRS screwing our lives over and the DHS not granting us the healthcare we need?

40 Listen, Pablo...  You'll address me as "El Diablo" going forward.  Do you hear me?

EL  freaking  DIABLO!

...you may add "blanco".  Season to taste.

41 Si Se Pueda!

42 Everyone has a price. Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 15, 2013 10:58 AM


They won't be getting the votes, so what is the upside?  Cheaper labor?  Hell, it's already cheap. 

No sé, senor.

43 I watched "Training Day" again and am now convinced by that documentary that all is lost.  In the end, it's all tribal---and ugly. 

44 Teh Burning, it burns.

45 America owes a debt to the generations of Latinos that have endured horrible discrimination from the white devil Anglo scum. Mi Familia came to Estados Unidos in the dark days of 1993 -- que horror! White people will never understand those dark Clinton years. Also, where do I get my Pigford check? I was totally thinking of maybe becoming a black farmer back then.

46 Did they include "White Hispanics?"

47 37 Is Puerto Rico near Cleveland? Posted by: Fourth Virginia
___________________________________________________

From all the purple houses I've seen?

-Yes.

48

Bigger government needs a bigger IRS, FEC, FCC, EPA and Department of Education to make sure our rights are preserved.

 

Right to cell phones.

Right to abortion.

Right to vote for democrats. Many times.

Right to steal from you anglos.

 

49 Why do you think they came here? You think it was just because they could get work? Go and spend an hour in the waiting room of a Social Security office, see who's there.

50

a clear majority of both generations prefers a larger government with more services to a smaller one providing fewer services.

 

Well how else are they supposed to take their afternoon siesta if they have to be WORKING and shit?    Let the gubmint take care of all that stuff!

 

...

 

*hangs head*      That is so racist.   I denounce myself heartily and await the Barrel.  

51 I guess I'll have to remove my Mexican lantern boy (with the siesta blanket) from my front yard.  I'll leave the fucking mule. 

52

But more of the second-generation Hispanics identify themselves as liberal on political issues than do first-generation Hispanics.

 

Judging from LA, I thought Hispanic kids didn't spend enough time in school to be indoctrinated effectively, but obviously I was mistaken.

53 That Hispanics tend to skew more liberal than the general population (by quite a bit) doesn't mean they are bad people. Errr, yes it does. You can't keep being in favor of ever bigger government and ever increasing infringments on our liberties and our money and be a good person.

54 BRB quittin welfare to pay fines and taxes

55 #49  They go from there to Sam's Club-flat screens baby. 

56 Guys, this is coming Amnesty or not. Conservatives better figure out how to cope. Maybe 3rd gen is the charm?

57 Why do illegal immigrants come here?  Because they can. 

58
Pablo Pantoja
Romney for President - Central Florida Regional Field Director




And yet somehow we still lost Florida in the election.

Go figure.

59 356  Or the civil war. 

60 Just build the fucking moat already.

61 I'm seeing more and more "English spoken here" signs.  Storm clouds. 

62 I have given money to black causes. I have given money directly to black people I thought I could help. I personally reimbursed an employer when a black friend embezelled $2000.00 from his business and was never paid back. That man who I kept from prosecution and kept out of jail is no longer a friend. And Julian Bond has the audacity to call me a racist? Fuck him, and his organization. I now see him and his fellow black supremecists for what they are. No more and never again.

63 Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 15, 2013 11:05 AM (wbmaj) No one is going to take up arms. There may be riots etc when the checks run out, but those who are armed and prepared will make it through to the other side.

64 I for one welcome our new chicas de calienete overloards.


http://tinyurl.com/aty9kl5


sfwko

65 BRB deported again

66 Look you Anglo scum, I work hard all day. And all I ask for the $100 a day I earn doing your fucking landscaping (which is stupid -- you don't need so many plants gringos, just use rocks like we do in Mexico!) is $200 a day worth of free health care, food stamps, school lunches, and assorted welfare payments. I am paying taxes pendejos!! Comprende? And all I want for my tax money is 2-3x as much back in the form of welfare checks. Jesus Cristo! I'm really not asking that much. Pay up you racist scum. And don't act like such a bitch about it. You owe me. You have pale skin. That makes you the bad guy. Geez. What do you not understand about -- I have browner skin than you so that means you owe me money? Helloooo.

67

#62  Give to American causes:  like Wounded Warriors.  Or Fisher House. 

68

They won't be getting the votes, so what is the upside? Cheaper labor? Hell, it's already cheap.

 

See, this is what I don't get.

 

If all thse illegals are made de facto citizens, then that means they are subject to the same minimum wage laws as every other    American.      The primary reason    most of the    businesses that employ illegals choose to employ illegals is that they're cheap.         It's not like a waiter or waitress job    where most of their money comes from tips;    you don't tip a guy who picks tomatoes all day.    If you suddenly make it expensive to hire Juan "No Hablo Ingles" Martinez, then why would the business bother to do so?        Either they'll hire Juan under the table and pay him in cash -- which neither of them will report on their income tax,   and thus serves the gubmint not at all -- or the business will hire someone who speaks    English and can better interact with customers and management.   So you end up with a shitload of people out of work    or    in the "shadow economy."

 

So in other words it's basically like it is now, but with more people clawing at the dwindling welfare teat like a pack of hungry wolverines.

 

Yeah, this'll end well.

69

I seem to remember when it was commonly thought that Hispanics were   fairly reliable Pubbie voters.

 

The Dims were vehemently opposed to amnesty. This was  around  20 years ago or so.  Now that we have so many polls showing that this group is pretty liberal and likes big government, the Dims are all for adding them to the population.

 

It's basically the same thing the Brits did: importing a new populace to control   when the natives didn't agree with you.  Britain is now officially fucked.

70 I cut my own fucking lawn. 

71 "You scum." Tu scummo. Translated...for authenticity. self=denounced

72 A huge majority of these "natural conservatives" are, in fact, future Democrat Party primary voters.

Because they're "conservative", and all that. And because CATHOLIC! (as if they've never met an actual Catholic, the overwhelming majority of whom still believe that voting Republican is an act that requires absolution)

73

Julian Bond is welcome to come to my house any time. My lawn needs a good mowing.  I've got some cement blocks out back that would be better stacked a different way too.  And there's some alligators in my swamp that could be killed. And the car needs to be simonized.

 

Heck, if I'm gonna be accused of being a racist, I might well play the part, right?

 

 

74 I have read that the vast majority of native Mexicans don't believe in that La Raza/Aztlan garbage. They pick that crap up from our own home-grown radicals when they come here.

75 Go ahead, click through to the comments on that Pantoja article. I dare you.

76 57 Why do illegal immigrants come here? Because they can FML, I had "because we let them" in the pool. Shit.

77 I'm seeing more and more "English spoken here" signs. Storm clouds.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 15, 2013 11:06 AM (wbmaj)

 

--- Where?

78 EL  DIABLO BLANCO, I SAID!  Comprende?

...press 2 for Kenyan.

79 I dare you.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2013 11:12 AM (NcPjb)

 

Double dog dare?

80 I need a lesson on how to read "tweets." Trying to navigate through the "#hashtag hashtag #hispanics#@hashtag etc I have effing NO idea what the actual tweet said.

81 @NRO Axelrod: 'Part of being president is thereÂ’s so much beneath you, you canÂ’t know because the government is so vast'

And yet everything - EVERY FREAKING THING - that went "wrong" between JAN 2001 and JAN 2009 is, ipso facto, George Bush's Fault.

Every Freaking Thing.

82 I can't find any goddamned ammo.  They all tell me the "government" was just here and cleaned us out.  

83 You know, honestly though, I really don't see the anti white racism with most hispanics...at least in Texas. Entitlement, yes. Race hatred? Not really.

84 Huh Richwines's major problem seems to have been that he compared hispanic IQ's to the "native white" population.

It seems to me that it's common sense that your average immigrant (whose likely not coming in on a specialized visa, the one whose term I forget) is likely to have a lower intelligence than the average person in the US.

I'd submit they likely have a lower intelligence than the average population they left as well.

Most usually you don't come knocking at the door of the land of opportunity unless things are sucking where you are now. (There are obvious exceptions, but we're drawing gross generalizations here.)

IQ is a poor measure of pretty much anything, but it does seem to correlate with things like "education level" (duh) but even simply "skill" level, especially in 1st world countries (less so as you move to 3rd world.)

85 #77 Riverdale Park-Maryland

86

Just wish the Mariners could pick up a few more who coud hit for power.

 

87 #77  I'm being sarcastic and stretching (lying) to make a point.  Forgive me. 

88 "Double dog dare? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorirst) Party Hobbit at May 15, 2013 11:13 AM (4df7R)" I'm going to commit a slight breach of etiquette and go straight to triple dog dare.

89 85 #77 Riverdale Park-Maryland Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 15, 2013 11:15 AM (wbmaj) No way. I live quite close, never seen anything like that. Get a picture for us DC 'rons/'ettes.

90 Jeeezee, if only there was some way you could legally immigrate to the US and not have it take 15 years, eh?

91 What do you not understand about -- I have browner skin than you so that means you owe me money? Helloooo.

Posted by: Jose Mecha La Raza de Aztlan

 

I hope that is sarc.

 

DIAF. 

92 #86  Go for the Dominicans-they are all juiced.  Just like Roger Clemens and Ryan Braun. 

93 Go ahead, click through to the comments on that Pantoja article.

Stroke Warning Signs and Symptoms
http://is.gd/S1hNco

94 Oh nevermind.

95 #89  see #87. 

96 "84 Huh Richwines's major problem seems to have been that he compared hispanic IQ's to the "native white" population." Remember we can't compare test scores on standardized tests between whites and minorities either. Because as we are constantly told minorities are not good at standardized tests. I think "why?" should be the question but i also think that makes us racist so everyone just accepts it and moves on.

97 Jeeezee, if only there was some way you could legally immigrate to the US and not have it take 15 years, eh? Posted by: Skandia Recluse at May 15, 2013 11:17 AM (7pjt1) Yep. Market forces don't stop at immigration policy.

98 Gee sometimes I wonder why I keep putting up w/ voting for Republicans if people like Drew clearly don't want me around in the party. It's one thing to oppose amnesty and question this immigration bill (as I do on both) but these snarky threads on how much we should ignore the fastest growing demographic in the country right now makes it pretty evident that the xenophobia towards Hispanics continues to plague the base of the party. If it wasn't for the Democrats' obsession with socialism and this horrendous President I may have already bailed by now. Oh well, keep ignoring the demographics. Don't get mad at guys like us when the Democrats are winning 90%+ of the latino vote. Consider this my "moby troll" comment of the day.

99 Is there an AoSHQ list of twits somewhere or anything? I got ace, drew, gabriel...looking for others to "follow"...lol.

100

@NRO Axelrod: 'Part of being president is thereÂ’s so much beneath you, you canÂ’t know because the government is so vast'

 

Then tell me, Axeldouche:   If the    position of Preezy is     at    the    tippy-top of    a steep     mountain      and it is therefore       ridiculous to assume that the Preezy would know anything about what's going on    all   the    lesser Executive    plateaus    below him, obscured as they are by clouds and the vast distances between them.... then why the fuck do we   need a President?   What, exactly,   does he do to earn his paycheck?      Because if the answer is,   "Be a pretty face who smiles and shakes hands and makes speeches," then I'm    going to have to tell you that     the position of President sounds suspiciously like the Queen of England,   but with less class and more pomp.  

 

We had a monarchy.  Once.   Didn't work out too well for the monarch.

101 Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at May 15, 2013 11:18 AM (HEa5q) If we really cared about IQ for immigration policy we'd be handing out green cards to every graduating foreign STEM student.

102

I don't know what everyone is complaining about.  You always wanted the Republicans to  be more like the Democrats (stretch the truth, misinformation, out of context, etc. ) when trying to convince the low information voters  on a specific issue. 

 

Well they are doing just that.  Except unfortunately for them,  most  on the Right are not low information voters. 

 

Ninja please. 

103 @NRO Axelrod: 'Part of being president is thereÂ’s so much beneath you, you canÂ’t know because the government is so vast'
And yet everything - EVERY FREAKING THING - that went "wrong" between JAN 2001 and JAN 2009 is, ipso facto, George Bush's Fault.
Every Freaking Thing.
Posted by: DocJ at May 15, 2013 11:14 AM (A5uiv)



Yes, the Federal Gov't is too large for a president to manage, the only solution is to vastly expand the size of said unmanageable gov't.

/liblogic

104 Damned English speakers. All "Hi-yo chappies, care for a spot of cricket before tea?" and shit.

105 86
Just wish the Mariners could pick up a few more who coud hit for power.
Posted by: Diogenes
___________________________________________________________

They are middle-infielders.  MIDDLE-INFIELDERS!

Sincerely,

-El Diablo Blanco

106 Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 15, 2013 11:19 AM (yAor6) Author I agree. Amnesty or not, we are staring down the barrel of a huge population shift in the US. I'd like conservatives to win more than 10% of that vote.

107 OK. it's almost noon, so where is today's new Obama scandal?

108 "Part of being president is thereÂ’s so much beneath you, you canÂ’t know because the government is so vast" Well, Dave, sounds like: A) Size Is A Problem B) No System of Accountability C) Executive Incompetence D) All of the above.

109 If they were encouraged to make their own way rather than live off the state, the results may well have been different.  Unfortunately, the left had made it a priority to get them dependent on the state so they always vote for more of it.

They're not going to change their minds if we amnesty them, just like a tsunami is not going to change its mind if we remove the sandbags.

110 Yeah we can totally convince the hispanics to come to our side.  That's why Reagan's base of power of California is an even stronger conservative state than when even he was president after passing amnesty in 80's

111 #84  IQ measures the ABILITY to learn,  not the amount of learning you have done.

If you are illiterate because of being raised in a backwater Mexican village,  and you don't speak much English,  there is no way to test for IQ amongst those who cross the border, without one-on-one interviews.

Furthermore,  I would say that illegal immigrants show some intelligence in avoiding arrest, using government agencies,  and figuring out ways to scrape out a living in a foreign country.  I am not sure I would do as well in Mexico.

I oppose illegal immigration,  but I do not like this "we are smarter because we are Americans" line.  It is too easily portrayed as racism, undermining the argument.

112 Heckuva a job, Dave.

113

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 15, 2013 11:19 AM (yAor6)

 

Exactly what has the Republican Party done to the 'fastest growing demographic'  that is bad?

 

I'll wait but you got nothing. 

114 Hmm, "Natural Conservatives"... A third party to help the GOP remain fucked? Don't mind me, just thinking out loud.

115
Go ahead, click through to the comments on that Pantoja article.


Orlando local
Pablo is just mad because he couldnÂ’t get local R support in Orlando for a run for office. He just thinks his chances will be easier as a D


Yep. Probably.

116 #89  The point is this--20 years ago (a relatively short period of time) you saw virtually no signs or advertisements stating "Si Habla Espanol."  But with the dramatic shift in demographics, it is more than commonplace--and in fact unnecessaary --in many places--unnecessary because only Spanish is spoken anyway.  So, with the continuing flood of Hispanic illegal immigrants, and the complete change of the former demographics, the need for "English Spoken Here" signs becomes necessary-then acceptable--then unnecessary because there are no English speakers near anyway.  Coming soon but most we'll keep trying to move away.     

117 Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 15, 2013 11:19 AM (yAor6) You tired after beating the hell out of those strawmen, or did the point just sail right over your head? Pantoja, is that you?

118 Furthermore, I would say that illegal immigrants show some intelligence in avoiding arrest, using government agencies, and figuring out ways to scrape out a living in a foreign country. I am not sure I would do as well in Mexico.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 15, 2013 11:22 AM (GoIUi)

Not really.  They get to stand on the shoulders of 50 million illegals that came before them and basically patented the systems and methods they're using now.

119 OT The latest Jon Stewart clip not only slams TFG for learning about all of his administrations criminal activities "in the news," but, he also mentions a Bill Ayers/Rev Wright Beer Summit. ouchie barry bammy

120

It's one thing to oppose amnesty and question this immigration bill (as I do on both) but these snarky threads on how much we should ignore the fastest growing demographic in the country right now makes it pretty evident that the xenophobia towards Hispanics continues to plague the base of the party.

 

I must respectfully disagree, ALM.   Drew is not recommending "ignoring" the fastest growing demographic.   What he is saying is that the Republicans are using false assertions to try and FORCE blanket amnesty.    By constantly restating that Hispanics are "natural conservatives," the Republicans are trying to make it seem like    a   slew of fresh Hispanic citizens is going to    lead to a Republican stronghold in DC for years to come.   Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

I don't always agree with Drew, but on this he's right.   If the Pubbies want to push their precious amnesty, then they should have the decency to     try and make their case with TRUTH, not fairy tales.    Instead they choose to act like Democrats and lie to our faces.    No one ever takes a moment to look Rubio in the eye and say,  "Senator Rubio, if all these Hispanics are natural conservatives who will vote Republican, why the hell is it the Democrats who are    clamoring     en masse     to make them citizens?"

121 Nothing worse than conservatives who swallow leftist talking points hook, line, and sinker.

122 Posted by: polynikes at May 15, 2013 11:23 AM (m2CN7) I'd argue that saying that Mexicans are stupid, lazy, moochers, etc, isn't exactly a winning strategy. The GOP/Conservative leadership has a problem that NO ONE GROUP are natural conservatives. One must be reasoned into it. This will take time and effort. Persuasion. Blocs historically change. This time is theoretically no different.

123

ignore the fastest growing demographic in the country right now makes it pretty evident that the xenophobia towards Hispanics continues to plague the base of the party.

 

******

 

FU.  The reason I'm turning 'xenophobic' in your P fkn C term, is these leach mo fo's have been coming here at the behest of the gov'mt, both sides, and stealing from law abiding citizens for decades.  They get away with law breaking, stealing from me, killing, don't speak English and want me to bow to thier demands? Fuck You! 

 

I'm at the point where 'come take it mother fucker' let's see who wins.

124 Because as we are constantly told minorities are not good at standardized tests. I think "why?" should be the question but i also think that makes us racist so everyone just accepts it and moves on. You shouldn't even ask the question. You should just accept the fact that minorities need to be accepted to medical school and commercial pilot training schools and run nuclear reactors no matter what their test scores are. 'Cause to do otherwise is racist.

125 Pablo Pandejo

126
Furthermore, I would say that illegal immigrants show some intelligence in avoiding arrest, using government agencies, and figuring out ways to scrape out a living in a foreign country.

Posted by: Miss Marple




So how about an AP Welfare Fraud Test so they can get some college credit for that life experience.....

127 Oh well, keep ignoring the demographics. I think you mean keep ignoring our national borders and our nation's laws. We're way ahead of you.

128 And the idea that Americans are somehow smarter is a pretty stupid idea. We lived in a land of limited govt, then threw it away. We should have known better.

129 It amazes me that anyone other than gubmint-supported pseudo-academics wastes time trying to fit any race into a one-size-fits-all box.

Think about it: unless you've been living in some protected enclave (D.C. comes to mind) you have met plenty of stereotype-busters of all races. I won't cite examples, because, you know, raaaacist.

The only individuals I know who talk in terms of what members of one race/ethnic group/religion do and think are Democrats. And the CBC, which is the same thing. And Republican "strategists."

It's a nice diversion from all the impeachment-worthy shit Choom Boy has been pulling. But that's all it is: a friggin' diversion.

If you still need an answer to the question of whether AAs, or Hispanics, or Southron Whites are preponderantly in favor of bigger government, moar welfare and other public-teat sucking issues, there a simple way to prove your assertion: cut down government and slice Free Shit programs down to the bare bones. When there are no agencies handing out goodies to your particular pressure group (did I hear someone say "Pigford"?), the questions will be moot.

That's my "report." Pay me $500K.

130 #77 In 2000, Hispanics comprised 28.27% of the population in Riverdale Park.  I assure you that, 13 years later, it is more like 40% or more.  Keep watching for the "English Spoken Here" signs.

131 Posted by: Miss Marple at May 15, 2013 11:22 AM (GoIUi)


In fact, I never noted that either.

I merely noted that although IQ isn't a direct measure of anything, it does correlate with many things (including education and skill).

I also noted, that I would suspect that if his conclusions are true, they'd flow backwards as well (meaning that those same people may have lower IQs than the average from the country they came from.)

So the conclusion is perhaps right but the idea supporting it is wrong (i.e. it's not that people from Mexico have lower IQs it's that low skill people are more likely to try to migrate and since IQ correlates, but isn't necessarily causative with skill, that they'd have lower IQs.)

Given the overall ass kicking we're taking on degrees by India and China I'd say that the idea that American's have "higher IQs because we're American" is...well...provably false.

132 Race hatred? Not really.

Maybe in Texas they're cool...or outgunned enough to act cool.

That's not the case elsewhere, in my experience, at least among the later generations who've moved on up to the professional class. The dude-on-your-roof losers I've known have been generally swell guys (except that they hate black people...a lot), but the winners adopt white upper class anti-"white" prejudices, and add a little beige-armor twist--the women especially, since you can't punch 'em when they start shouting racist shit in your face.

Which they will if they think they socially outrank you.

Charming people.

133 No quiero la Bell Cuervo

134 Demographics is destiny. 

135 So Pablo Pendejo was working FL for Romney? HAHAHA. Wonder how many other moles he had in swing states

136 Very dependent on what definition of "conservative" one uses.

Religious and pro-family views similar to the southern Religious Right "conservative"?  Yeah, more or less.

Strong national defense views similar to the "Defense Conservatives" ?  Kinda depends on the final status of the border.

Fiscally responsible, well-managed government views similar to northeastern fiscal "conservatives"?  Ummm... NO.

Small-government views similar to the western Libertarian 'conservative'?  Fuck no!

Watch for Huckabee/Santorum to learn Spanish.

Mew

137 I'd argue that saying that Mexicans are stupid, lazy, moochers, etc, isn't exactly a winning strategy.

The GOP/Conservative leadership has a problem that NO ONE GROUP are natural conservatives. One must be reasoned into it. This will take time and effort. Persuasion.

Blocs historically change. This time is theoretically no different.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:27 AM (X4HxX)

 

Untrue strawman but even if those ad hominens were the general voice of the Republican Party, which again its not,  its more about feelings than about actual policy. 

 

Definitely not a conservative trait. 

138
This is the point in the program where Team Amnesty tells you the GOP kick-ass messaging team will kick in and with a little outreach, someday we'll turn all those liberals into card carrying conservatives.







GOP Messaging Team: Republicans believe in keeping government out of people's face so folks can be successful through a lifetime of hard work and backbreaking effort. It's difficult, but incredibly rewarding. Vote GOP!

Donk Messaging Team: Where do we send your government welfare check of free money? While we're at it, here's a free IPhone. Vote Donk!

139 Posted by: oblig. at May 15, 2013 11:28 AM (cePv I'm sure black people have a ton of similar experience with white people. Not sure how helpful these anecdotes are.

140 It's all cool.  Taco Bell now has a Waffle Taco.  Melting pot at its best. 

141
Hey Romney was supposed to win and give me a job in the West Wing.  Instead I'm doing a weekend shift at Epcot.

Eff that. L8R H8RS!

AKA Pablo Pantoja

142 Untrue strawman but even if those ad hominens were the general voice of the Republican Party, which again its not, its more about feelings than about actual policy. Definitely not a conservative trait. Posted by: polynikes at May 15, 2013 11:30 AM (m2CN7) You may have not said it, but it's been said repeatedly here by various posters. It's not a strawman.

143 98Gee sometimes I wonder why I keep putting up w/ voting for Republicans if people like Drew clearly don't want me around in the party.

You're an illegal immigrant?


It's one thing to oppose amnesty and question this immigration bill (as I do on both) but these snarky threads on how much we should ignore the fastest growing demographic in the country right now makes it pretty evident that the xenophobia towards Hispanics continues to plague the base of the party.

It's not about ignoring a demographic, it's about ignoring the law and rewarding those who break it, who in this particular instance happen to be largely hispanic coming from south of the border.  That's a lefty move to equate animosity towards illegal immigration as xenophobia towards hispanics.

Don't get mad at guys like us when the Democrats are winning 90%+ of the latino vote. Consider this my "moby troll" comment of the day.

So you think think by rewarding lawbreaking, it will get hispanics on board?  That's a pretty nasty thing to say about hispanics.

144 I think here at the HQ it wouldn't hurt to show a little restraint in generalizations of any race/ethnicity/people. That's all. Let's stick to actual data and a dash of humility in interpreting the results.

145 I guess most people in general that I interact with are middle class hispanics. I live in a predominately hispanics middle class neighborhood, my niece and nephew have a hispanic mom, and I have a lot of friends with hispanic spouses. There just isn't a big delineation between white and hispanic in Texas. Now it seems like a whole different story in California.

146 So you think think by rewarding lawbreaking, it will get hispanics on board? That's a pretty nasty thing to say about hispanics. Posted by: Heralder at May 15, 2013 11:32 AM (+xmn4) I can't speak for Author but I would like more than 10% of the vote, and I simultaneously oppose the Rubio plan. It's not mutually exclusive.

147 You may have not said it, but it's been said repeatedly here by various posters. It's not a strawman.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:32 AM (X4HxX)

 

I've read more posts on how illegal immigrants are hard workers rather than lazy.  It is true that you read a lot of statistical facts about how much entitlements these illegal aliens procur. 

 

Facts are not name calling. 

148
If it wasn't for the Democrats' obsession with socialism and this horrendous President I may have already bailed by now.
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Oh
no
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149 I oppose illegal immigration, but I do not like this "we are smarter because we are Americans" line. It is too easily portrayed as racism, undermining the argument.

This.

Amnesty isn't going to buy the GOP much Hispanic support, but calling them a bunch of dummies doesn't exactly help the cause.

150 Posted by: polynikes at May 15, 2013 11:35 AM (m2CN7) Ok, I'm not saying a majority of posts are as such, I never said that. I'm saying it's repeatedly said. Which it is. Every time the topic comes up. "Mexicans only hop the border to join the FSA!" Patent bullshit like that.

151 148 - Liberals are always for amnesty.  So you think if conservatives go for it this one time, it's going to make those amnestied into conservatives?  How will this plan get conservatives more votes?

152 Democrats...  the soft racism of low expectations.

D:  "Necesitas dinero, senior estupido?  Lo tengo!  Lo tengo!  Estes diablos blancos no necessitan 'todo' el dinero!  Muy bien, estupido.  Usa la "D" en el ballot box.  Dos veces."

153

Which they will if they think they socially outrank you.

Charming people.

 

***

 

Typical.  I have a neighbor I tried to introduce myself, over the fence, one day.  Scrunt pretended to not speak English.  I learned later she could.  Don't know if they are illegal or not.  The sure party when the parents come up from mexico during the summer. 

 

They fucked up thier own Country and now want to do the same to ours while our lawmakers allow them to.  It's not going to end well.

 

I'm out.  BP can't take anymore.  Be good Horde.

154 153 148 - Liberals are always for amnesty. So you think if conservatives go for it this one time, it's going to make those amnestied into conservatives? How will this plan get conservatives more votes? Posted by: Heralder at May 15, 2013 11:37 AM (+xmn4) For the love of God, the next time someone IGNORES my post and erects a strawman I give up. My God. Read my post.

155

Funny that the fastest growing demographic in the country is here illegally, the result of decades of not enforcing our immigration  laws  and their own refusal to abide by   our laws.

 

Add to this   the fact that the New World Orderistas are very busy trying to encourage   the US  to  have open borders while everyone else is somehow entitled to whatever land they claim (see Palestinians) and you have the kind of division that the Leftards encourage and use politically.

 

All of this is a not-so-subtle effort to destroy America.

 

We are so fucked...

156 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:37 AM (X4HxX)


Well the problem is that Mexicans jump the boarder because their life in Mexico sucks and things are likely to be better here.

Part of the reason things are likely to be better here are more opportunity to be sure (although given our economy that's sagging) but also our feather-bed of a safety net.  The question is how do we square that?

157 Small-government views similar to the western Libertarian 'conservative'? Fuck no!

Posted by: acat at May 15, 2013 11:29 AM (4UkCP)

 

 

This X 1 Billion!

 

and believe me.... as a small L libertarian living in Californias Central Valley... where the Racial dynamic HAS dramaticly shifted the cultrue of the area in my lifetime?

 

Lets just say there IS a link between the UnConstitutuional Limits placed on Gun owners here.... and the Gun laws which a large portion of our populace grew up with in Mexico.

158 Hispanics are really "Natural Conservatives" that just happen to prefer really big  government, exactly like the RINO ruling class does, so it is sort of a "natural" match in philosophies!

159 "Mexicans only hop the border to join the FSA!"

Patent bullshit like that.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:37 AM (X4HxX)

 

What do the  statistics say about that charge?  That's not a rhetorical question.  It makes a difference in how I look at this debate.  

160

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:38 AM (X4HxX)

Maybe I just misunderstood your post.  You want more than 10% of the hispanic vote and we're talking about amnesty.  You oppose Rubio's plan, how to you propose to win hispanics over to the conservative side?  Do you think a minority of conservatives calling them lazy is really shifting that percentage?

161 Part of the reason things are likely to be better here are more opportunity to be sure (although given our economy that's sagging) but also our feather-bed of a safety net. The question is how do we square that? Posted by: tsrblke (work) at May 15, 2013 11:39 AM (ULkyQ) I'm not denying that the welfare state is much sweeter here. But it's dumb as shit to make blanket statements like the one I wrote. Which comes up every time. I might have to start saving these to show that it does get passed around here and generally accepted.

162 146 described union members perfectly. Huh.

163 148 So you think think by rewarding lawbreaking, it will get hispanics on board? That's a pretty nasty thing to say about hispanics.
Posted by: Heralder at May 15, 2013 11:32 AM (+xmn4)

I can't speak for Author but I would like more than 10% of the vote, and I simultaneously oppose the Rubio plan.

It's not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:35 AM (X4HxX)

 

We get more than 10% of their vote.  You do know that if you wanted to win with the hispanic vote in 2012 we would have had to get more hispanics to vote for Romney than even voted for Obama.  Not a 51/49 split but a complete flip of the way the vote went plus a few additional percentage points.

164 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:41 AM (X4HxX)


There is always a grain of truth in every stereotype!

165 Posted by: Heralder at May 15, 2013 11:41 AM (+xmn4) I'm advocating against nullifying any chances of getting the hispanic vote, yes. If I was king for a day, I'd expand work visas and scuttle any citizenship plans. FWIW

166 Posted by: buzzion at May 15, 2013 11:43 AM (LI48c) I guess I get flummoxed when people here start saying really really nasty things about whole groups of people. I mean, some of these posts could simply replace "hispanic" for "black" or "white" and that poster would get banned.

167 Actually, on the KEY issue of smaller-vs-bigger government, the 2nd generation of Hispanics is more conservative than the immigrant one.

168 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:41 AM (X4HxX)


Yeah, it does get said around here.  I think it's partially frustration.
The reality is that (broadly speaking) illegal immigrants are lower on the skill ladder and (to a lesser extent) a mismatch of skills for the changing economy (not entirely, certainly we still need skills they have, just not at as high of a level as we did even 20 years ago.)
And of course no amount of hard work will overcome a skills mismatch.

This of course means inevitably that they do end up taking advantage of the safety net (is it at a higher level than other low skill groups?  Unknown, hell it may be at a lower level just because there are more barriers.)

169 "We get more than 10% of their vote. You do know that if you wanted to win with the hispanic vote in 2012 we would have had to get more hispanics to vote for Romney than even voted for Obama. Not a 51/49 split but a complete flip of the way the vote went plus a few additional percentage points." Just thought that needed to be posted again. With a follow up that just because it's uncomfortable to hear fact that illegals tend to enlist in the FSA, it doesn't change reality.

170 Actually, on the KEY issue of smaller-vs-bigger government, the 2nd generation of Hispanics is more conservative than the immigrant one.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 15, 2013 11:46 AM (C8mVl)

Experience tells me that when people say they want "smaller government" what they really mean is "smaller government for everyone else, but not me and things I use."

I actually had a friend tell me the other day "you at least would be willing to cut programs you benefit from"  Hell yeah I would, how else do we get anywhere.

171 And I don't give a shit if they do join the free shit army.  Whether they do or not, they are still criminals.

172 "Actually, on the KEY issue of smaller-vs-bigger government, the 2nd generation of Hispanics is more conservative than the immigrant one." By a whopping 13 points. Your observation is misleading. The overwhelming majority of 2nd generation hispanics is still liberal.

173

Hispanics Are "Natural Conservatives"

Someone want explain why most of the Latin world is out right communist or at least socialist?

174 I mean, some of these posts could simply replace "hispanic" for "black" or "white" and that poster would get banned.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 15, 2013 11:45 AM (X4HxX)

 

I don't see an attack on any group except illegal aliens.  We might both only being seeing what we want to see.   Most comments I have seen over the years preface them with kudos for citizens  of  hispanic  backgrounds or those going through the proper channels to become citizens  before slamming the consequences of illegal immigration.   

175 I would say the Left doesn't want to close the borders because it increases the numbers in the FSA. People of all types cross, but the Dems have a special love for the ones who will use/drain national resources.

176 In the New World they are Latinos, not Hispanics.

177 Generalizations are problematic, but I think a large majority of real posters here have NO problem with rational controlled legal immigration. 


Most of us do have a problem with political uncontrolled illegal immigration, especially of hordes of people that do not speak the language (or care to learn it), bring no discernible unique skill set to this country (like an engineer or doctor), and are planning on gaming our welfare system using anchor babies and chain immigration (legal or illegal).

178 174---"By a whopping 13 points. Your observation is misleading. The overwhelming majority of 2nd generation hispanics is still liberal." Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2013 11:51 AM (NcPjb) ----------------------- Indeed. I was simply pointing out that saying that the 2nd generation is "more liberal" is misleading because it only applies to "social issues."

179 "It's one thing to oppose amnesty and question this immigration bill (as I do on both) but these snarky threads on how much we should ignore the fastest growing demographic in the country right now makes it pretty evident that the xenophobia towards Hispanics continues to plague the base of the party." So what should we do to convince you that this fast growing demographic is not being ignored? Seriously if you oppose the immigration bill as you say you do what can we do to convince you?

180 Since Pantoja obviously did a poor job of bringing Hispanic voters to Romney isn't this addition by subtraction? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out Pantoja. Good riddance! Time to get a winner in that post now!!

181 Natural Conservitives, but with a little free shit, they can get over that...

182

This is pretty obvious to me.  Poor Mexicans who come to the US believe "the government" in the US is a force for good that is there to help them. They come from a country where there are real bona fide plutocrats and drug kingpins who appear to be running everything and keeping most of the population poor and ignorant.  The class warfare rhetoric that came out of the Obama campaign last year was largely intended as a lot of dog-whistling to these Mexican immigrants.  They painted Mitt Romney as exactly the sort of plutocrat that the Mexicans think has made Mexico poor and forced them to come to America for work and kept them in menial jobs. 

 

Also, "Asians" is NOT just the hardworking Japanese and Chinese people many folks think of when they think of Asia.  "Asians" also include Pakistanis and Afghans and other Middle Eastern immigrants, most of whom are Muslims, and a hell of a lot more of them have immigrated to the US than have Chinese and Japanese in recent years.  They loves them some gubmint too, just ask the British. 

183 Other than a few very select skill sets, we don't need large numbers of immigrants at all right now, legal or illegal. At some point we have to get the American citizens who are on the sidelines back to work. When the welfare state collapses, these people are going to need jobs.

I work in the tech industry and I can tell you that training someone to be a programmer is not that difficult. The Zuckerberg's of the world are lying about this. He and others should be grooming American kids from high school and college to fill his needs. The fact he prefers foreign nations is a scandal.

184 Hispanics can always be used to pretend to be underage prostitutes. At least the GOP has that going for them.

185 Illegal immigrants are almost always impoverished  It's really easy to sell the idea of free shit to poor people that have nothing.   I don't know why this idea is so hard for some "conservatives" to understand. 

People who are struggling to put food on the table aren't going to give two shits about issues like gay marriage or abortion.  It's going to be Quid Pro Quo, whoever hands them the most free shit wins, regardless of if there's a Virgin Mary air freshener hanging on their rear view mirror.

186 I really don't like La Raza. They suck, especially the men. Some of the chicks are OK. I say let the "hotties" in and screw the rest of them. Smokin hot! You gots a path to citizenship baby!

187

@98

What bs are you talking about? If anything, the current republican party has done similar to the democrat party to try and lure "Hispanics" (I hate that fucking term) only at a slower rate or behind the scenes. The repubs are demo light these days and often plain old demo duplicates.

188 I think the term Hispanic is stupid and incredibly misleading - probably racist (all those people are the same).  Try telling an Argentine he's the same as a Chilean who's the same as a Mexican who's the same as a Colombian who's the same as a Dominican who's the same as a Spaniard and you'll have WWIII on your hands in an instant.  Cultures and attitudes are strikingly different.

189 Read Pablos's resignation letter.  The first sentence was the most telling where he says something to the tune of you didn't have to dig deep to find racism in the GOP (or words to that effect).  If that were true why did he take so long to find it?  The rest of the letter is a hate and lie filled screed of a bitter man who is trying to set himself up as a Democratic candidate in the state.  One wonders whether this seemingly opportunistic young man was told the party would not support him in an election (maybe they knew something about his character all along) at this time and he turned on them.

190

I tried to explain why this is to you, but was banned by Maetenloch the reactionary moron.

It's too bad. It was actually an interesting and fruitful conversation, but truth isn't sufficient -- you want conformity.

It isn't enough to wish the best for people, or to agree with great minds like Benjamin Disrael's cogent observation, no, one must believe nonsense to be a conservative.
 
 
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Anyway, I'll just say what it is: race -- not through a magical process, but through natural selection (which is another thing the majority of conservatives insanely don't believe in) -- is a real concept.

Nature had precisely no mechanism for ensuring that different groups of humans, widely separated, interbreeding with different subspecies (such as Neanderthals) and some other races, due to geographic barriers (e.g., the Sahara), not interbreeding with those same subspecies ... would develop exactly the same cognitive abilities (brain size, morphology, microcephelin gene-variants) and emotions (hormonal ratios) while developing different bodies.

Sorry, nature doesn't work that way. I would love many many different things about nature to be different than it is.

Anyway, IQ (along with other factors, but that's a big one) DOES influence selection of political philosophy for reasons I explored in depth at the time before all of my -- outstandingly insightful -- comments and the many good back and forth answers to them by AoS readers were deleted by a superstitious (Catholic) baboon.

Well, not a baboon. Like myself, a primate, an old world monkey, in fact, aka one of the great apes, and a decendent of Homo sapiens sapiens and Homo sapiens neanderthalensis ... unlike other modern humans who aren't descendents of both, actually.

But you insist on believing that there can be no difference in behaviour or brain size or IQ or what have you. The mountains of evidence that prove differently? Blasphemy!

Final thought. The fact that there are differences does not mean we can't like and get along with people who are different than us, and in some ways superior to us. Everyone's superior to us in some ways.

Final final thoughts: take athletics. It is not an accident that track and field is most developed in North America and Europe, but the top athletes are descended from sub-Saharan Africa. It's physics. And it's OK. Really.

Difference is real -- it's everywhere -- no need to freak out about it. I don't oppose intermarrying, interloving, interfriendships, equal opportunity, or anything really. I do support using science to understand the world, and this can be applied to politics as well.

Or do you, yet again, intend to let YOUR brilliant political analysis guide your future prognostications? It is NOT an accident that I have generally been more accurate than you. It's IQ. Same with Nate Silver -- and same with Ace, incidentally.

Now the reason for the delta, the change, is exposure to new groups with differing makeups.

Hating those who acknowledge reality does not make you more loving.

(P.S. Your tribal groupthink afraid of how everyone else will see you reaction to this is your limbic system speaking, not your higher brain.)