March 12, 2013

House GOP's 10 Year Balanced Budget Plan
— DrewM

It's all theater but I guess it's necessary theater.

The 10-year spending plan released Tuesday by Rep. Paul Ryan is virtually identical to last yearÂ’s GOP budget: It would defund President ObamaÂ’s health-care initiative, end guaranteed Medicare coverage for future retirees and sharply restrain spending on the poor, college students and federal workers.

The one big new development: Ryan’s latest blueprint would balance the budget, producing a small surplus in 2023 — a goal achieved not primarily through deeper spending cuts, but by the addition of more than $3.2 trillion in new tax revenue.

As Dean Clancy, FreedomWorks' healthcare guy points out, it's a bit of shell game.


So the GOP continues to oppose ObamaCare but has embraced the ObamaCare tax hikes they've spent years saying will kill the economy.

Clancy also points out that Ryan budget will grow the government at 3.4% per year as opposed to the current projection of 5% per year. A-It still grows government and B-Cutting the rate of growth 1.6% per year is beyond what's politically possible at the moment.

DOOM.

Democrats meanwhile have released their own budget blueprint. It doesn't even pretend to balance, nor does it hide the tax hikes.

But the tax figure could present a problem for a handful of red-state Democrats up for reelection who Republicans will undoubtedly say are supporting a $1 trillion tax hike if they back the plan.

Nevertheless, Democratic leaders believe the Murray plan will allow their party to show a major contrast with Rep. Paul RyanÂ’s budget and its calls for a significant overhaul of Medicare. And they expect to have the support of at least 50 Democrats on the floor to ensure they would be able to pass the first budget out of the Senate in four years.

The Murray plan would not balance the budget in a 10-year timeframe like the Ryan proposal would. But Murray’s 50-50 split between taxes and spending is supposed to be consistent with Obama’s call for a “balanced” approach for deficit reduction, something they argue voters largely support rather than the cuts-only approach backed by Republicans. Obama plans to unveil his budget plan after Congress begins to debate the competing proposals, something that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said would “drop a bomb” on the budget process.

I don't blame Ryan for coming up with gimmicks to balance the budget in 10 years. The whole notion is a gimmick Boehner promised this as a sop to the right after caving on the fiscal cliff temporary debt ceiling hike.

Politically, it's kind of a meh for the GOP. I mean they did run on this last year and if memory serves, it didn't go well. Now you can chose to believe the ideas are popular (and lots of folks will point to polls showing they are) but when actually put the voters it didn't work that way. Maybe Romney was just that unlikable. Personally I think it's both.

Don't get me wrong, the Democrat's plan won't be popular (unless they convince people the taxes will only fall on the "rich", aka...someone else) but it doesn't even pretend to solve the deficit/debt problems.

Nothing is going to happen while Obama is in office to deal with entitlements. That's just a fact. I wish the GOP had come up with a new and different approach to dealing with the problem but there isn't one. It's just math.

People will keep telling pollsters they want these problems solved but when it comes to voting they will send people to DC who will support more spending (which is what the voters really want) that will only make it worse.

In the meantime, the burning will continue apace.

Posted by: DrewM at 07:36 AM | Comments (260)
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1 the president is a scoamf

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 12, 2013 07:37 AM (GVxQo)

2

Food Stamps are the best way to balance the budget.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 12, 2013 07:38 AM (RxVPS)

3 let it burn.....they really are all the same....i'm done with the gop

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 12, 2013 07:38 AM (GVxQo)

4 The GOP will violate you. Repeatedly.

Posted by: Attila at March 12, 2013 07:39 AM (Cs2tJ)

5 Related. Read this, this morning: Morning Bell: First Look at the 2014 Ryan Budget http://blog.heritage.org/2013/03/12/first-look-at-ryan-budget-2014/ /sigh

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 07:39 AM (XYSwB)

6 Meanwhile, the solution is: duck and cover.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 12, 2013 07:39 AM (TOk1P)

7

Since 75% of lesbians are obese, I'm banning lesbianism in MYC proper. cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-spend-15-million-study-why-lesbians-are-fat.

Posted by: Mayor-For-Life Doomberg at March 12, 2013 07:40 AM (Ph479)

8 Math? How the fuck does it work?




We can launch people into orbit and successfully bring them home. Launch satellites accurately enough to be in the appropriate position millions upon millions of miles away.



All through Math.



But double entry bookkeeping? That's some voodoo shit right there.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 07:40 AM (da5Wo)

9 In the meantime, the burning will continue apace. Faster please. MOAR wood!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2013 07:41 AM (GFM2b)

10 Math emailed me this morning to say that we're boned regardless. Embrace the suckage. Sit ludos incipiunt.

Posted by: toby928© Crypto-Fashionsist at March 12, 2013 07:42 AM (evdj2)

11 It's rather pathetic that I'm happily stunned that the Dems actually presented a real budget. Um. Yay?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 12, 2013 07:42 AM (VtjlW)

12 3 let it burn.....they really are all the same....i'm done with the gop Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 12, 2013 11:38 AM (GVxQo) 14 years GOP free! Every once in while, I still want one. Especially, when I'm drinking heavily.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 12, 2013 07:42 AM (6NmQ4)

13 More   turducken!

Posted by: Queen Michelle at March 12, 2013 07:43 AM (wIgpo)

14 It's all theater but.....Nothing


The House could have  had the budget deficit to zero by now if they had done what they were elected to do in 2010.

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 07:43 AM (53z96)

15 And, the obamacare piece at Cato is also pretty good. The Affordable Care Act Negatively Impacts the Supply of Labor Under the Affordable Care Act’s system of subsidies, as an individual makes more money, they are rewarded by losing subsidies. This creates a calculation that each person must make—whether or not to strive to increase their personal household income through working more or getting a better job, or choosing to stay in a similar place in life in order to keep the benefits. ... Several analysts point out that Obamacare develops a marriage penalty. ... Summary: Obamacare distorts incentives for employees to make positive changes in the labor market. Employees are encouraged to keep lower paying jobs in order to preserve subsidies, while also being encouraged to remain single, leave the labor force, or even not participate in the labor force. yeehaaa

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 07:43 AM (XYSwB)

16 But double entry bookkeeping? That's some voodoo shit right there. Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 11:40 AM (da5Wo) Amish will be along any second now to 'splain it all to us.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 12, 2013 07:43 AM (VtjlW)

17 Balance the annual budget, leaving the national debt at $17 trillion plus whatever the amount of the 2013-2023 yearly deficits turn out to be.

Posted by: Average Joe at March 12, 2013 07:44 AM (bN5ZU)

18 It's better than the Democrat proposal and getting half of what you want is better than getting nothing. 

Posted by: Obvious Man at March 12, 2013 07:44 AM (epWQP)

19 WTF is this s$$t anyway? Perfectly good duck jokes ruined and all...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 07:44 AM (lbiWb)

20

>>>Nothing is going to happen while Obama is in office to deal with entitlements.

 

Nothing would happen if Romney were in office either. Even if Zombie Reagan were there, it'd be the same ole,  same ole.

Term limits. Tar. Feathers.

Posted by: Roy at March 12, 2013 07:45 AM (VndSC)

21 *heritage foundation, not cato

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 07:45 AM (XYSwB)

22

But seriously you guys, every one of these discussions, my first thought is:  have you figured out how to wipe DC off the face of the Earth?  Are the coasts sliding into the oceans somehow?

 

No?

 

Then it's all pointless, fantasyland twaddle. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 12, 2013 07:46 AM (TOk1P)

23 Balance the annual budget, leaving the national debt at $17 trillion plus whatever the amount of the 2013-2023 yearly deficits turn out to be. Posted by: Average Joe at March 12, 2013 11:44 AM (bN5ZU)

Ummmmm....if the budget is balanced then there are no yearly deficits.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 07:46 AM (sbV1u)

24 Amish will be along any second now to 'splain it all to us.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 12, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)



Yeah, on pretty much my first day at work here in the family business, my grandfather told me this:



"If your outgoing is more than your incoming, your upkeep will be your downfall."



That should be fucking tattooed on the forehead of every member of Congress.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 07:46 AM (da5Wo)

25 I don't blame Ryan for coming up with gimmicks to balance the budget in 10 years. The whole notion is a gimmick Boehner promised this as a sop to the right after caving on the fiscal cliff.


Key words there Boner and sop


My prediction; the Dems will retake the House after 25% of the bases sits at home in 2014. From earlier



Paul Ryan: The GOP Plan to Balance the Budget by 2023


Dewy 1944: The GOP wants to make FDR's spending more "efficient".

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 07:46 AM (53z96)

26 Since 75% of lesbians are obese, They do seem to be one side, or the other. Thankfully, the ones I know are almost all hyperfit. Only one fatty. She is very nice and actually, fairly conservative....sort of.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 12, 2013 07:47 AM (6NmQ4)

27 paul ryan.....just another good looking liar sorry...done with the pretty boy too....he f'd over the CONSERVATIVES in the party because they were too CONSERVATIVE....got them bounced off their committees because they did not play well with liberals....how can we work within the system when the system and our party is working against us? LETITBURN WHITEHOT

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 12, 2013 07:47 AM (GVxQo)

28 It's rather pathetic that I'm happily stunned that the Dems actually presented a real budget.  Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 12, 2013 11:42 AM (VtjlW)

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 07:47 AM (sbV1u)

29

Having a rough morning, so I'm inclinded to just say fuck it, push for the Democrat budget to pass.  People need to feel the pain to know how unsustainable Progressive policy making is.

Posted by: Heralder[/i] at March 12, 2013 07:49 AM (+xmn4)

30 My prediction; the Dems will retake the House after 25% of the bases sits at home in 2014. From earlier Oh, well....then someone get the lights and I'll make sure the toilet is not overflowing. Nice planet, we once had. Fuck it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 12, 2013 07:49 AM (6NmQ4)

31 Didn't know Dolan was even being considered. The pastoral camp seems to be focusing on two Americans, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan and Boston Archbishop Sean O’Malley. Neither has Vatican experience. Dolan has acknowledged his Italian isn’t strong — seen as a handicap for a job in which the lingua franca of day-to-day work is Italian. but, The buzz in the papal stakes swirled around Cardinal Angelo Scola, an Italian seen as favored by cardinals hoping to shake up the powerful Vatican bureaucracy, and Brazilian Cardinal Odilo Scherer, a favorite of Vatican-based insiders intent on preserving the status quo. newsmax

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 07:49 AM (XYSwB)

32 That should be fucking tattooed on the forehead of every member of Congress. Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 11:46 AM (da5Wo)

I want every member of Congress to be tattooed with sleeves - and their foreheads too while we're at it.

The tattoos read: "It's not your fucking money."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 07:49 AM (sbV1u)

33 Can we please stop with the Paul Ryan now? This proposal is unrealistic on many fronts, as Byron York pointed out, and to be honest, after November I just want him to go away.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 12, 2013 07:50 AM (lkcsj)

34 "My prediction; the Dems will retake the House after 25% of the bases sits at home in 2014. From earlier"

Considering your track record that's the best news the Republicans have heard regarding those House seats. GOP is still poised to keep the House for a good little while thanks to their great effort in redistricting. All the competitive seats lean their way. Now on state-wide races though, they face a bigger problem...


"People will keep telling pollsters they want these problems solved but when it comes to voting they will send people to DC who will support more spending (which is what the voters really want) that will only make it worse.

In the meantime, the burning will continue apace."

BOOM! I couldn't agree more. The polls said the people thought O sucked as President, that the divided Govt wasn't working, that they hated O-Care and wanted less Govt, but went ahead and voted for more of all of that. Most Senators keep getting re-elected even w/ approval ratings below 50%. The voters whine all they want but they keep the same crap in power more then not.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 07:51 AM (yAor6)

35 That should be fucking tattooed on the forehead of every member of Congress.

 

 

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 11:46 AM (da5Wo)

 

 

Yeah... way back when.... we called it "TANSTAAFL"... There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch...

 

 

Posted by: Lazurus Long at March 12, 2013 07:53 AM (lZBBB)

36 I want every member of Congress to be tattooed with sleeves - and their foreheads too while we're at it.

The tattoos read: "It's not your fucking money."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 11:49 AM (sbV1u)



Sleeve #1: It's not your fucking money



Sleeve#2: If your outgoing is more than your incoming, your upkeep will be your downfall.



Forehead: I'm paid with, and spend, your taxes

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 07:53 AM (da5Wo)

37 But seriously you guys, every one of these discussions, my first thought is: have you figured out how to wipe DC off the face of the Earth? Are the coasts sliding into the oceans somehow? No? Then it's all pointless, fantasyland twaddle. Posted by: BurtTC at March 12, 2013 11:46 AM (TOk1P) Hey, now, I've added coronal mass ejection to the daily goat sacrifices to bring us SMOD so I'm doing my part. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 12, 2013 07:54 AM (VtjlW)

38 We haven't seen burning yet. It won't begin until the rest of the world gets tired of subsidizing our spending via exporting inflation. Then it gets 'interesting'.

Posted by: QaDaffy at March 12, 2013 07:54 AM (VIEiv)

39 Off cheesy cartoon dictator sock!

Posted by: esch at March 12, 2013 07:55 AM (VIEiv)

40 ahahahaha and oy Christie Defends Sandy Relief Fund Run by Wife New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is defending the delay in disbursing $32 million in donations from a Superstorm Sandy relief fund headed by his wife. The Republican governor says the charity being run by Mary Pat Christie was never meant to provide immediate relief to those recovering from the mega-storm, which hit the state last October. big, fat nepotism

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 07:55 AM (XYSwB)

41 The biggest obstacle to cutting spending is that everyone wants a piece of the pie. It's why I've come to just say No to all funding proposals when put to the ballot. I'm even voted no to funding churches. That way you keep out of having a stake in the Govt and can be consistent. With everyone having their favorite budget item to beef up spending will never cut properly.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 07:55 AM (yAor6)

42 I can save the government $750,000 right now.  I see this headline on Drudge.

"Feds Spend $1.5 Million 'to Study Why Lesbians Are Fat'..."

For half of that amount I'll tell them why lesbians are fat.  It's because they don't do dick.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2013 07:56 AM (Hx5uv)

43 Sleeve #1: It's not your fucking money

Sleeve#2: If your outgoing is more than your incoming, your upkeep will be your downfall.

Forehead: I'm paid with, and spend, your taxes

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 11:53 AM (da5Wo)


Penis: Objects are smaller than they appear.

OK, I'm done now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 07:56 AM (sbV1u)

44

Since 75% of lesbians are obese, I'm banning lesbianism in MYC proper. cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-spend-15-million-study-why-lesbians-are-fat.

 

No cowgirl.  That's the problem. 

Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 07:57 AM (RxVPS)

45 O/T: I called the office of one of the conservative reps I listed on the "Tuesday Morning Link Dump" thread and she (unsurprisingly) confirmed that there is no plan to shove that bill through committee.

Posted by: 80sBaby, embarrassing herself so you don't have to at March 12, 2013 07:57 AM (YjDyJ)

46

The buzz in the papal stakes swirled around Cardinal Angelo Scola, an Italian seen as favored by cardinals hoping to shake up the powerful Vatican bureaucracy, and Brazilian Cardinal Odilo Scherer, a favorite of Vatican-based insiders intent on preserving the status quo

Er, right. Let me know when you see white smoke out of Ryan Seacrest's a$$, m'kay?

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 07:57 AM (lbiWb)

47 The Republican governor says the charity being run by Mary Pat Christie was never meant to provide immediate relief to those recovering from the mega-storm, which hit the state last October.

Exactly, it is his deep fried twinky and knee pad budget.

Posted by: Heralder[/i] at March 12, 2013 07:57 AM (+xmn4)

48 my first thought is: have you figured out how to wipe DC off the face of the Earth?

You rang?

Posted by: Kim-Jong Un at March 12, 2013 07:57 AM (/kI1Q)

49 But double entry bookkeeping? That's some voodoo shit right there.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 11:40 AM (da5Wo)


Amish will be along any second now to 'splain it all to us.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 12, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)


I wouldn't really call double-entry bookkeeping "mathematics".


Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2013 07:58 AM (xSegX)

50 Unequal benefit is the very definition of corruption. Why should any person contribute less or obtain more benefits from their citizenship than me?

Posted by: esch at March 12, 2013 07:58 AM (VIEiv)

51 Politically, it's kind of a meh for the GOP. I mean they did run on this last year and if memory serves, it didn't go well. Now you can chose to believe the ideas are popular (and lots of folks will point to polls showing they are) but when actually put the voters it didn't work that way.

I agree, but IMO Ryan is positioning the party.  His budget won't be enacted, and he knows it.   He's giving the LIVs a marker so they'll know where to turn when it all goes pear-shaped.  The actual numbers don't matter anyway, as whatever budget is adopted apres le deluge will have to reflect the new realities.

Yeah, I know, this is another hill on which not to die, strategic thinking is for RINO wimps, etc. etc.

Posted by: pep at March 12, 2013 07:58 AM (YXmuI)

52 Er, right. Let me know when you see white smoke out of Ryan Seacrest's a$$, m'kay? Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 11:57 AM (lbiWb) I still think it's going to be the cardinal from Korea. I base this on an utter WAG.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 12, 2013 07:58 AM (VtjlW)

53 I thought Beaver was AWOL.  

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 12, 2013 07:58 AM (wbmaj)

54 The spear head has to be entitlements whether the King Approves it or not...Before we Amnesty the Illegals and then we have a  Assured Destruction of the country. You see no matter what happens to gun rights and the budget, the children and your medical bills, the Trump Card for continuation of this country as a free society will be the Illegal Immigrants..He will call all kinds of audibles and deceit, but the motion for the Illegals will be the 20 Million votes that will Torpedo this country forever.

Posted by: Clemenza at March 12, 2013 07:58 AM (Snhap)

55 I would call my Senator but instead of answering my question he would probably try to arrange meeting at one of the Interstate rest area stops that have been closed by the State.

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 07:59 AM (53z96)

56 Duck burgers. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 12, 2013 07:59 AM (wbmaj)

57 Posted by: Kim-Jong Un at March 12, 2013 11:57 AM (/kI1Q)

Putting the Un in Unpossible since last year.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2013 07:59 AM (Hx5uv)

58 Er, right. Let me know when you see white smoke out of Ryan Seacrest's a$$, m'kay? Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 Oh, goody, A new spate of crude Anti Catholic posts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 08:00 AM (g7q64)

59 I agree, but IMO Ryan is positioning the party. His budget won't be enacted, and he knows it. He's giving the LIVs a marker so they'll know where to turn when it all goes pear-shaped.

Posted by: pep at March 12, 2013 11:58 AM (YXmuI)


Shockingly, the idiot Dems actually made a counterproposal.  Somehow they didn't realize they won by saying, "Whatever that guy wants is bad."

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (xSegX)

60 Politically, it's kind of a meh for the GOP. I mean they did run on this last year and if memory serves, it didn't go well.



Probably because they ran on it in 2010 and failed to do anything.  And we got another "moderate"  candidate.  Nobody believes the SOBs anymore.



We don't have a Party anymore.

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (53z96)

61 entitlements will never be dealt with they will simply collapse to the surprise of most of the country.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (HEa5q)

62 Serious You Guys (no, really, seriously, you guys), when does our end goal become the improbable "fix the untenable budget and cultural mentality of our currently-existing fifty-state union" to "Texas takes between five and thirty states and partial states and the Constitution and becomes the new United States of America, while the remainder of the takers and Marxists ruining the country make do with their post-Coolidge governmental construct?" Our axioms simply aren't compatible with theirs.

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (BZjb6)

63 i'm done with heritage as well.....joined when demint joined....started getting phone call after phone call wanting more money...like i'm an ATM or something.....then beginning january my called id showed 3 calls or more a day.....finally i was home to intercept one and i said i was a bit irritated with all these calls begging for money i had recently joined leave me alone!!! guy at other end said the membership runs jan thru dec and my 2013 dues were due!!!! i told him that was a scam and i was done.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (GVxQo)

64

"Oh, goody, A new spate of crude Anti Catholic posts."

Not "anti". Mocking. There's a difference.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (lbiWb)

65 The Republican party has absolutely no credibility on the economy.  Given how it performed from 2001 - 2007, how could it?

Posted by: SFGoth at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (dZ756)

66

No budget is serious until the allocations to the many ridiculous programs are eliminated.   There also has to be an elimination of a number of departments as proposed by Perry.   And the FSA is going to have to do without a lot of unecessary FS.

 

For instance, there are at least three Federal job retraining programs.  Why the freak do you need three programs when all of them are failures.  

 

The answer to a reasonable budget is so obvious but the political debt and the unwillingness of anyone to give up their own personal programs will prevent the simple  solution. 

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (m2CN7)

67 The tattoos read: "It's not your fucking money."

 

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 11:49 AM (sbV1u)

 

 

Yeah.... they ALL need to read Davy Crockets semi famous dissertation on 'the peoples money'...

 

http://tinyurl.com/drz2q 

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (lZBBB)

68 DrewM., the $400B in savings comes from the tax code overhaul, not ObamaCare taxes. Dean Clancy needs to stop relying on Ezra Klein's stories for his information.

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 08:01 AM (YjDyJ)

69 The House could have had the budget deficit to zero by now if they had done what they were elected to do in 2010.

I wasn't aware that they were elected to perform magic.

But you go ahead and keep pretending that the House can unilaterally pass a budget.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 12, 2013 08:02 AM (SY2Kh)

70 But double entry bookkeeping? That's some voodoo shit right there.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 12, 2013 11:40 AM (da5Wo)

Double entry bookkeeping?  That's where I pay for everything twice and keep half for myself, right?

Posted by: Jesse Jackson Junior at March 12, 2013 08:03 AM (Hx5uv)

71 Sorry, revenues, not savings. But the point stands.

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 08:03 AM (YjDyJ)

72 Hacking Moochelle Antoinette and Spittle Biden Sensitive information including Social Security numbers and credit reports of the First Lady, Vice President and numerous Hollywood A-listers have been hacked and posted on to a website, authorities revealed. The bombshell security breach on Monday has left Los Angeles police and the FBI struggling with how to respond – after the leaders of both agencies were also targeted. ahaha who cares it will only get worse, as more and more people get angry, and lose respect for the government, and especially the WH. h/t JWf

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 08:03 AM (XYSwB)

73 I wasn't aware that they were elected to perform magic.

But you go ahead and keep pretending that the House can unilaterally pass a budget.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 12, 2013 12:02 PM (SY2Kh)


Sometimes it pays to think



SID

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 08:04 AM (53z96)

74 "The Republican party has absolutely no credibility on the economy. Given how it performed from 2001 - 2007"

well considering it bounced back from the downturn created by 9/11 and had full employment for some time you may be over-hyping Bush's economic failures a bit. No doubt they made grave mistakes on fiscal policy but when compared to this President? You can't compare the economies the two presided under. Not even close. Oh and don't give ma that crap about the economy going down in Bush's last year. The fact remains for most of his Presidency the economy was quite strong. The 2006 waves were based solely on discontent with other issues. The economy became an issue in 2008.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:04 AM (yAor6)

75 I never understood why they didn't just take Clinton's budgets and slap a "GOP" at the top.

Let them explain why "The Greatest Economy in the History of Evah--All Because of Bill Clinton!!" would be Death, Doom and Destruction today.

Oh, right. Stupid Party likes the current size, scope and reach of the federal government.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:04 AM (VjL9S)

76 "Sometimes it pays to think";

coming from you? ironic

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:04 AM (yAor6)

77
Ummmmm....if the budget is balanced then there are no yearly deficits.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 11:46 AM (sbV1u)[/br]

well, the budget would be balanced by the tenth year, but the previous nine would still have deficits.

Posted by: kinley ardal with a broken shift key at March 12, 2013 08:04 AM (b5uL0)

78 Yeah.... they ALL need to read Davy Crockets semi famous dissertation on 'the peoples money'...>>

Instead of Muzak someone reading that on a loop should play through out Washington DC and any office that gets money from the feds.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 12, 2013 08:05 AM (wrS2o)

79 Until the Rs raise taxes to make people pay for what they voted for, nothing will change. The Rs are complicit by helping insulate the voters from their dumbassery.

Posted by: Ook? at March 12, 2013 08:05 AM (OQpzc)

80 FU

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 08:05 AM (53z96)

81

"The answer to a reasonable budget is so obvious but the political debt and the unwillingness of anyone to give up their own personal programs will preventthe simple solution."

"but you see, "my" personal program is a no nonsense plan that supports those Americans most in need of these personal services, and that's just a level of fairness that all Americans can get behind and support in these tough times"

/avg. congresscritter statement...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:05 AM (lbiWb)

82

Posted by: polynikes at March 12, 2013 12:01 PM (m2CN7)

 

Excellent pont.... when you figure out you are over the household budget... you first start by cutting the waste... you don't start by cutting food... you start by not going to the movies as often... then fire the pool boy and gardener and do it yourself...

 

Congress has NOT done anything about cutting waste... even when they created reports on it... hell.... they are even still hireing Pool boys in other countries!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2013 08:05 AM (lZBBB)

83 Yeah, those prosecutor's auditors are crazy.  They think there is a difference between double entry bookkeeping and and two sets of books.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson Junior at March 12, 2013 08:06 AM (Hx5uv)

84 A Ten Year Plan is a politician's way of telling you he thinks you are a dumbass.

Posted by: Ook? at March 12, 2013 08:06 AM (OQpzc)

85 "Until the Rs raise taxes to make people pay for what they voted for, nothing will change. The Rs are complicit by helping insulate the voters from their dumbassery."

you may have a point there

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:06 AM (yAor6)

86 Not "anti". Mocking. There's a difference. Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:01 PM (lbiWb)

mock verb \ˈmäk, ˈmȯk\ transitive verb
1 : to treat with contempt or ridicule : deride

anti-  prefix \an-tī, an-tē also an-ti before consonsants\
2 : opposing or hostile to in opinion, sympathy, or practice <anti-Semite>


Yeah, having a hard time making that fine distinction there.  Maybe you could help.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:06 AM (sbV1u)

87 The Republican party has absolutely no credibility on the economy. Given how it performed from 2001 - 2007, how could it? One picture proves your point. http://tinyurl.com/a2dfaot

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:07 AM (feFL6)

88 And why in the F, after all the Dems utterly mendacious attacks last time, did he even offer a budget?

So damned stupid.

So very damned stupid.

"Quit hitting yourself."

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:07 AM (VjL9S)

89

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 12:03 PM (XYSwB)

 

 

Hmmm.... interesting.... they got Michelle's... but not Barry's?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2013 08:07 AM (lZBBB)

90 The real irony is I just watched part II of the Dem/Republican instruction manual from Ayn Rand yesterday.

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 08:07 AM (53z96)

91 DrewM., the $400B in savings comes from the tax code overhaul, not ObamaCare taxes. Dean Clancy needs to stop relying on Ezra Klein's stories for his information.

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 12:01 PM (YjDyJ)

 

I've decided not to try and correct the constant misinformation used to bash the Republicans.  Don't get me wrong,  there is plenty to criticize them for but some just do it because they are grumpy cat and its what they do.

Posted by: polynikes at March 12, 2013 08:08 AM (m2CN7)

92 pep sorry, ryan positioning the party.....laughable....you know how many times the GOP has tried to reposition the party? and do you know how that has worked out for us? drifting to the left....we stand for nothing when we give the left everything just to be nice....this reaching across the aisle has got to stop.....they don't reciprocate they just whine until it goes their way and we always bend over to them.....LETITBURN

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 12, 2013 08:08 AM (GVxQo)

93

Congress has NOT done anything about cutting waste... even when they created reports on it... hell.... they are even still hireing Pool boys in other countries!

 

Barney Frank hardest hit.....in the squeak hole.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at March 12, 2013 08:08 AM (BrQrN)

94 84 A Ten Year Plan is a politician's way of telling you he thinks you are a dumbass.    

Posted by: Ook? at March 12, 2013 12:06 PM (OQpzc)

 

 

Yes Comrade!  We are better!  We do FIVE year plans!

Posted by: USSR at March 12, 2013 08:09 AM (lZBBB)

95 People will keep telling pollsters they want these problems solved but when it comes to voting they will send people to DC who will support more spending (which is what the voters really want) that will only make it worse.


The American electorate is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of Miserable Shitfail.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 08:09 AM (KXm42)

96 While I am a minority here in being optimistic about the future of the GOP in regards to winning elections, I am not so with the economy and fiscal future of the nation. I really believed that when people saw the situation getting to what it's become that voters would smarten up. But I watched as what I considered to be "moderate" Democrat friends twisted themselves in all kinds of ways to come up with a reason to vote for Obama again. I truly believe an economic storm is coming that truly is on par with the idea of "DOOM!". We cannot continue down this path but we continue to anyways. The hangover is coming and it will suck*

*Hangover movie jokes on the way...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:09 AM (yAor6)

97

They do seem to be one side, or the other. Thankfully, the ones I know are almost all hyperfit. Only one fatty. She is very nice and actually, fairly conservative....sort of.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

While all New Yorkers I know are hyperfit, I can't allow anyone to buy a 16+ ounce soda because...5,000 New Yorkers who I don't know or associate with are going to die of obesity this year. My authoritarian leanings trump your anecdotal evidence! onethousandonehundredelevantyone!1!!1!!11!

Posted by: Mayor-For-Life Doomberg at March 12, 2013 08:09 AM (Ph479)

98

"Yeah, having a hard time making that fine distinction there. Maybe you could help"

Yet "John McCain, Republican" is perfectly understood...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:09 AM (lbiWb)

99 Barney Frank hardest hit.....in the squeak hole.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at March 12, 2013 12:08 PM (BrQrN)

 

My squeakhole won't cut waste.  It can't anymore.

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 12, 2013 08:09 AM (Q1sfM)

100 Mary Poppins Lied, People Died !

morningmika ‏@morningmika

Sugar is in so much more than you think and yes it is toxic

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2013 08:10 AM (mCvL4)

101 "Posted by: Regular Moron at March 12, 2013 12:07 PM (feFL6)"

that chart excludes the millions who have left the workforce and aren't counted. nice try

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:10 AM (yAor6)

102 Phoenixgirl in 2016!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 12, 2013 08:10 AM (lkcsj)

103 @ 66 you need three retraining programs for the graduates that were no child left behind programs..and the 75% out of wedlock birth-er types

Posted by: Clemenza at March 12, 2013 08:11 AM (Snhap)

104 A Ten Year Plan is a politician's way of telling you he thinks you are a dumbass.


Yep.  A  list of things that won't happen and never were even meant to happen in the first place.


I smell smoke.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 08:11 AM (KXm42)

105

84A Ten Year Plan is a politician's way of telling you he thinks you are a dumbass.

---

Stalin used to do a five year plan. So this is twice as good!

Posted by: Uncle Joe Biden at March 12, 2013 08:12 AM (SO2Q8)

106 American's want big government they just refuse to pay for it. Personally I think it would be better for the whole thing to screech to a halt as opposed to incrementally strip away what liberty we have left. Hell look at the price of gas. if it zooms up like in 07/08 people are up in arms but a 4 year steady climb no one notices. now granted gas prices are embargoed in the MSM on account of Chocolate Jesus but for fuck sake people should be screaming about it to the point the MSM can't ignore it.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 12, 2013 08:13 AM (HEa5q)

107 My squeakhole won't cut waste. It can't anymore.

Posted by: Barney Frank

 

Hah!

 

Won't squeak either.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at March 12, 2013 08:13 AM (BrQrN)

108 Part of the problem is we're negotiating with ourselves as it were.
Ryan keeps including the concessions in his budget under this "baseline" nonsense but can't seem to defend it.
Meanwhile this keeps moving the line in the sand ever closer to the democrats side.
OK fine, fiscal cliff tax hikes are law, go ahead and leave them in there, but why suggest repealing obamacare while keeping the tax hikes?

At that point why not just send the Senate Simpson-Bowles and watch them dance to reject it. (Now that'd be theater!)

(Furthermore, WTF with letting them take the narrative by storm.  an end to guaranteed medicare?  Bite me, that's not what it is.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 12, 2013 08:13 AM (b3IgE)

109 Yet "John McCain, Republican" is perfectly understood...

***

The ability to hold two contradictory thoughts in your mind at the same time is a sign of genius.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2013 08:13 AM (Hx5uv)

110
the $400B in [revenues] comes from the tax code overhaul, not ObamaCare taxes.

Posted by: 80sBaby






Oh, an overhaul. Whew! That's a relief.  I thought Ryan was proposing an increase in the amount of taxes collected by the government.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2013 08:13 AM (kdS6q)

111 It wasn't rape, rape. It was consent. http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 08:13 AM (XYSwB)

112 that chart excludes the millions who have left the workforce and aren't counted. nice try What are you like 20 years old? Can't read a fucking graph? That's total employment numbers. It speaks for itself. Or perhaps you just didn't get that SF Goth was sarcastic.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:13 AM (feFL6)

113 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 08:14 AM (nUH8H)

114 Yet "John McCain, Republican" is perfectly understood... Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:09 PM (lbiWb)

Was there a coherent thought there?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:14 AM (sbV1u)

115 No taxation without representation

Posted by: The Future at March 12, 2013 08:14 AM (SO2Q8)

116

Whose anti-Catholic?  The Southern Poverty Law Center, that's who.  From the Baltimore sun blog: 

What do the Aryan Nations, the Ku Klux Klan and the home of Spokane’s Singing Nuns have in common? They’re all on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s map of “hate groups” in the Northwest. Mount St. Michael, home to a Latin Rite or Tridentine Catholic church, school and convent north of Spokane, has been listed since 2006 by the law center as a radical traditional Catholic group and accused of anti-Semitic activities.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 12, 2013 08:15 AM (wbmaj)

117

"The ability to hold two contradictory thoughts in your mind at the same time is a sign of genius"

So they tell me...

FWIW, nice to see some are so touchy. Feh.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:15 AM (lbiWb)

118 how about no representation without taxation?

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 12, 2013 08:15 AM (HEa5q)

119

The ability to hold two contradictory thoughts in your mind at the same time is a sign of genius.

----

Well, yes and no

Posted by: Genius Buzzsaw90 at March 12, 2013 08:15 AM (SO2Q8)

120 Mary Poppins Lied, People Died !

***

May Poppins is an idiot.  She thinks a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down.  Actually, it's regulation with teeth that's the best medicineeduce sugar intake.

Posted by: Hizzoner Mayor Bloomberg at March 12, 2013 08:15 AM (Hx5uv)

121 @92
I'm not saying we should drift leftwards, just the opposite.  Ryan proposed a plan to which the Dems would never, ever agree.  I think that's good.  Again, not Dem lite, but a very clear counterpoint.  The Dems will vilify it and him, of course, but they can't say there is no GOP alternative. 

Cutting government can't be done in one fell swoop.  Even Coolidge understood that.  We're going to be a long time digging out of this hole.  Cut some taxes in the make believe budget, and cut more when you actually get into office. 

Posted by: pep at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (YXmuI)

122 108 Part of the problem is we're negotiating with ourselves as it were. Ryan keeps including the concessions in his budget under this "baseline" nonsense but can't seem to defend it.

Baseline budgeting is required by law. Until such time as budget process reform is passed by both chambers and signed by the president, they will continue to use baseline budgeting.

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (YjDyJ)

123 What do Obama, McCain, and Graham all have in common?  Their love for roast duck. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (wbmaj)

124

#118,

That's so over 100 years ago

/ezrakline

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (lbiWb)

125 *shatters chair over Sean Bannion's back*

Let's get this brawl going!

Posted by: Heralder[/i] at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (+xmn4)

126 Or perhaps you just didn't get that SF Goth was sarcastic.

Posted by: Regular Moron at March 12, 2013 12:13 PM (feFL6)

 

I didn't get that SF Goth was being sarcastic.

Posted by: polynikes at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (m2CN7)

127 FWIW, nice to see some are so touchy. Feh. Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:15 PM (lbiWb)

Only about bigotry, that's all.  Everything else is pretty much open.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (sbV1u)

128

"...the Democrat's plan won't be popular...but it doesn't even pretend to solve the deficit/debt problems. "

B.S. - That is exactly what they will do.

Posted by: Connertown at March 12, 2013 08:16 AM (+q3dR)

129 "What are you like 20 years old? Can't read a fucking graph? That's total employment numbers. It speaks for itself."

Oh my. Kitty has claws! I went back and read the graph and it was my mistake. I thought you were repeating the same tired Dem line about how the economy is so much better we just don't see it. Even though you and I don't seem to like each other I'll apologize in this instance.

"Or perhaps you just didn't get that SF Goth was sarcastic."

If he is I'd be surprised. He's been on here rattling on incessantly about the "GOP economy" of the 2000s. Thus why I responded to his comment.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:17 AM (yAor6)

130

Man, that WeaselZippers guy must have some sort of alarm clock or something. 

We should see if Ace knows about those.

Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 08:17 AM (Q1sfM)

131 Let's get this brawl going! Posted by: Heralder at March 12, 2013 12:16 PM (+xmn4)

LOL.

Bring it, beeyatch!

Imma git' my posse.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:17 AM (sbV1u)

132 Did all of you put extra urine in your corn flakes this morning?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2013 08:17 AM (C0ttM)

133 SPLC will list any group as a "hate group" in order to fill their coffers. They are a pathetically bad charity to give to and even many liberals have a problem with them. Their money does NOTHING to help the poor.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 08:18 AM (g7q64)

134 how about no representation without taxation? That would be nice, yes. My question is this: what part of "Taxed Enough Already" did the GOP miss? We. Do. Not. Have. A. "Revenue." Problem. We have a spending problem. I know that's not politically popular. We can either do what is politically popular (and accelerate the emburnening) or what is politically unpopular and help ensure there is a United States of America for my children and their children.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 08:18 AM (nUH8H)

135 Did all of you put extra urine in your corn flakes this morning? Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2013 12:17 PM (C0ttM)

It's just Johnson and this damn war!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:18 AM (sbV1u)

136 that WeaselZippers guy , whom I love

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 08:18 AM (XYSwB)

137 So are all the prominent R's afraid that if they stand up and state it's going to collapse, that will start the collapse, and they'll be blamed? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Posted by: esch at March 12, 2013 08:18 AM (VIEiv)

138 110 Oh, an overhaul. Whew! That's a relief. I thought Ryan was proposing an increase in the amount of taxes collected by the government.

So you are opposed to a flat tax system?

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 08:19 AM (YjDyJ)

139

"Bigotry"? - better crack open your amazing dictionary again, ducky.

And I thought Muzzies could get uptight... here's a clue: some of us aren't Catholics and puzzle as to the entire dog & pony show, and find it chuckle worthy. Unbunch your panties, m'kay?

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:19 AM (lbiWb)

140 LOL. Bring it, beeyatch! Imma git' my posse. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 12:17 PM (sbV1u) ----------------------------------------------- Yooooo Hoooooo....... Oh, you said posse. Never mind.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 12, 2013 08:19 AM (jucos)

141 Bring it, beeyatch!

Imma git' my posse.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 12:17 PM (sbV1u)

*gratuitous head swivel*

Oh no he di-in't!

Posted by: Heralder[/i] at March 12, 2013 08:19 AM (+xmn4)

142

Did all of you put extra urine in your corn flakes this morning?

 

That's no urine

Posted by: O'Bawneywan Kenobe at March 12, 2013 08:19 AM (BrQrN)

143

that WeaselZippers guy , whom I love

 

If you like content, sure.

Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 08:19 AM (Q1sfM)

144 lots of heat, here, this morning. cool off over at http://thepeoplescube.com/ always worth a laugh or two

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 08:20 AM (XYSwB)

145 Lunchtime  Looks like a pan of roast duck and a two liter Dr. Pepper.  Burp. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 12, 2013 08:20 AM (wbmaj)

146 oh, and fuck you, Tiger Woods and all your rump swabs and jock sniffers. you're still a piece a crap, Tiger and golf is a-stupida fucking game

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2013 08:20 AM (b8TXQ)

147 If you like content, sure. Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2013 12:19 PM (Q1sfM) heh.

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 08:20 AM (XYSwB)

148 here's a clue: some of us aren't Catholics and puzzle as to the entire dog pony show, and find it chuckle worthy. Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:19 PM (lbiWb)

Yeah.  

Bigots.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:20 AM (sbV1u)

149 Someone put me some knowledge. What actual problems would occur if we simply did not grow the government from one year to the next? Presumably that would affect entitlements, of course (which is a problem with entitlements), but what else would it "hurt?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 08:20 AM (nUH8H)

150 Now, now.  Let's not argue over who killed who...

Posted by: Gratuitious Monty Python reference [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:21 AM (O7Q1u)

151 Yes Comrade! We are better! We do FIVE year plans!

Posted by: USSR at March 12, 2013 12:09 PM (lZBBB)

 

Kind of weird that even the Soviets had a better sense of shame than D.C

 

Posted by: Ook? at March 12, 2013 08:21 AM (OQpzc)

152 The Murray plan would not balance the budget in a 10-year timeframe like the Ryan proposal would. But Murray’s 50-50 split between taxes and spending is supposed to be consistent with Obama’s call for a “balanced” approach for deficit reduction

Yeah, let me guess.  Like Obama, her idea of "spending cuts" will be more tax hikes.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 12, 2013 08:21 AM (SY2Kh)

153 Urine or you're out.  Decide and get it over with. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 12, 2013 08:21 AM (wbmaj)

154 Anyway, where in the hell is Sven and Diogenes?

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:21 AM (VjL9S)

155 I want every member of Congress to be tattooed with sleeves - and their foreheads too while we're at it. The tattoos read: "It's not your fucking money." Tramp stamps, on the backs of their hands and inside their eyelids. Anywhere they are likely to see it multiple times daily.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2013 08:22 AM (GFM2b)

156

#150,

That's bigoted hate speech right there... 

(and funny as he!!)

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:22 AM (lbiWb)

157 ""Bigotry"? - better crack open your amazing dictionary again, ducky.
And I thought Muzziescould getuptight... here's a clue: some of us aren't Catholics and puzzle as to the entire dog pony show, and find it chuckle worthy. Unbunch your panties, m'kay?"

well said. I've seen SOME Catholics act like total pricks just because some of us aren't waiting breathless to see who the next Pope is. Some have been pretty cool about the jokes and the pro-Catholic Catholic Meme group at facebook has come up with some funny stuff.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:22 AM (yAor6)

158 Someone put me some knowledge. What actual problems would occur if we simply did not grow the government from one year to the next? Presumably that would affect entitlements, of course (which is a problem with entitlements), but what else would it "hurt?" Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 12:20 PM (nUH8H)

It wouldn't even affect entitlements.

It's not like you need an extra 3,000 Feds at Social Security to process checks every year.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:22 AM (sbV1u)

159 Whatever. That graph should be 'exhibit A' of why our economy is fucked. You don't take that many million Americans and put 'em on the dole and balance a budget. Two Options: 1. Put people back to work paying taxes 2. Accept the fact that if you work, you're gonna carry those millions on your back and the government is coming for your wallet. Sooner or later.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:23 AM (feFL6)

160 Someone put me some knowledge. What actual problems would occur if we simply did not grow the government from one year to the next?
=======
I think you know.

People might actually start getting a taste of self-reliance and freedom--both of which have an inverse relationship to the size, scope and reach of government.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:23 AM (VjL9S)

161 Yet "John McCain, Republican" is perfectly understood... Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:09 PM (lbiWb) Republican is a party... he's in the party. It's sorta definitional.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 12, 2013 08:23 AM (FsUAO)

162

OT:

 

The five-month-long federal trial of former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick ended Monday with convictions on 24 counts of racketeering, fraud, extortion, bribery, and tax evasion.



 

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 12, 2013 08:23 AM (nTgAI)

163 "Whatever."

Such a humble moment

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:23 AM (yAor6)

164 The tattoos read: "It's not your fucking money." I hate fucking monkeys.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2013 08:24 AM (qpM85)

165

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 12:16 PM (YjDyJ)

 

Yeah.... only Congress could create a Law whereby they HAVE to increase the budget more than Inflation every year...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2013 08:24 AM (lZBBB)

166 It wouldn't even affect entitlements. It's not like you need an extra 3,000 Feds at Social Security to process checks every year. My point was that even the actual benefits paid out by the government goes up year-over-year. People are moving onto Medicare and Social Security faster than they're dying.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 08:24 AM (nUH8H)

167 you're still a piece a crap, Tiger and golf is a-stupida fucking game If I hit a ball as hard as I can, I am NOT walking after it just to whack it again. That's why God made driving ranges.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2013 08:25 AM (GFM2b)

168

Anyway, where in the hell is Sven and Diogenes?

 

I hope Sven is of getting some fresh air and exercise, and doing something constructive. Anybody have his contact info or is able to check up on him?

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 12, 2013 08:26 AM (d1fAu)

169 I hate fucking monkeys. Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2013 12:24 PM (qpM85) ------------------------------------------------------ Hey Sooth.... what did I ever do to you?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 12, 2013 08:26 AM (jucos)

170 ryans plan will increase taxes by 3.2 billion oh wait increase taxes by 3.2 trillion!!!! oh boy! rule #1 it's not conservative to raise taxes

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 12, 2013 08:26 AM (GVxQo)

171 My point was that even the actual benefits paid out by the government goes up year-over-year. People are moving onto Medicare and Social Security faster than they're dying. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 12:24 PM (nUH8H)

Got it.

For the life of me I can't figure out why people under 50 want to be locked into Social Security.  Seems like a no-brainer.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:26 AM (sbV1u)

172 some of us aren't Catholics and puzzle as to the entire dog pony show The American public enjoys the sights of Vatican City, the intrigue behind the selection, but mostly it gives us the opportunity to say 'priestly scandal' five times a minute.

Posted by: The MSM [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:26 AM (feFL6)

173 I'm going to really, really enjoy watching a bunch of old sick boomers accept the fact that they're going to have to work shit jobs for peanuts until they drop dead. Just like me. Also, like most people on the planet have had to do throughout most of human history. 'Retirement' just isn't economically viable for everyone.

Posted by: esch at March 12, 2013 08:27 AM (VIEiv)

174

"The five-month-long federal trial of former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick ended Monday with convictions on 24 counts of racketeering, fraud, extortion, bribery, and tax evasion"

And amazingly, CNN can't disclose party affiliation...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:27 AM (lbiWb)

175

Yeah, let me guess. Like Obama, her idea of "spending cuts" will be more tax hikes.

 


 

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 12, 2013 12:21 PM (SY2Kh)

 

 

Their not Tax Hikes.... they are Revenue increases!  Just like in business!

 

 

Posted by: Lefty Meme Guy at March 12, 2013 08:27 AM (lZBBB)

176 "For the life of me I can't figure out why people under 50 want to be locked into Social Security."

Everytime I see money from my paycheck going into that crap my blood boils. Great chance that I won't see a dime of that money.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:27 AM (yAor6)

177 For the life of me I can't figure out why people under 50 want to be locked into Social Security. Seems like a no-brainer. Most of the ones I know don't want to be. Unfortunately, we don't actually get much choice in the matter.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 08:27 AM (nUH8H)

178 Presumably that would affect entitlements, of course (which is a problem with entitlements), but what else would it "hurt?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 12:20 PM (nUH8H)



Yes you can cut all. Hell just bouncing out all the fraud and abuse at SSDI would just about balance it by itself.

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 08:27 AM (53z96)

179 and golf is a-stupida fucking game


Oh noe you di-ih.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 08:28 AM (KXm42)

180 whitewashing gone wild WHY HAS NBC SCRUBBED SATURDAY NIGHT LIVEÂ’S HIT ANTI-HUGO CHAVEZ SKIT? the blaze really?

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 08:28 AM (XYSwB)

181 Everytime I see money from my paycheck going into that crap my blood boils. Great chance that I won't see a dime of that money. Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 12:27 PM (yAor6)

Great chance?

I'd say that's as close to a sure thing as you're ever going to see in this life.

Me too, unfortunately.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:28 AM (sbV1u)

182 I happened to see NBC's Tiger montage on Sunday. He's punching the air, pumping his fist, screaming. Why? Because he sunk a putt. WOW! Tiger's not just a disgrace to golf; he's a dork with skinny arms and a half a billion dollars.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2013 08:28 AM (/eLjI)

183 David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog They see me toastin' / They hatin' / Pop Tartin' / They tryna catch me bitin' dirty #PastyGangsta Iowahawk owns Twitter. They just don't know it yet.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 12, 2013 08:29 AM (B/VB5)

184 Best pro gun control argument ever.  And it's from the LA Times:

"    Who is buying all those assault rifles and handguns? Apparently, there are no statistics that can give us a definite answer, but I have a pretty good guess.

    Look at that Republican number. Gun owners make up half of the GOP. I would be surprised if there is not a correlation between that half and the half of Republicans who, in other polls, expressed the belief that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attacks and that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. I would bet they are also many of the same folks who believe Barack Obama is a Muslim or a terrorist sympathizer or a socialist or Kenya-born or all of the above. They are likely the ones who think that liberal scientists have concocted the global-warming hoax and that the Justice Department and the United Nations are plotting to disarm Americans."

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2013 08:29 AM (Hx5uv)

185 I'm done with team "help it burn",  bunch of RINO wankers.  It's time to join team "burn it with phosphorous".

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at March 12, 2013 08:29 AM (epxV4)

186
Its governing by shampoo.  Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Same story over and over, never changes, new audiences and new actors maybe, same story.

More spending, more taxes, more debt.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 12, 2013 08:29 AM (p/cQy)

187 I hate fucking monkeys.

And then  redeems.  Add chimps in  there  for me.  Bastards.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 08:29 AM (KXm42)

188
So you are opposed to a flat tax system?
Posted by: 80sBaby




$3.2 trillion in new tax revenue.

Reshuffling the deck and giving the taxpayer another hard 16 is no improvement.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2013 08:29 AM (kdS6q)

189 My point was that even the actual benefits paid out by the government goes up year-over-year. People are moving onto Medicare and Social Security faster than they're dying.

We have a suggestion for you on that one.  Although we'd prefer if you not just co-opt the name "Liverpool."  Get your own damn city.

Posted by: Britain's NHS at March 12, 2013 08:30 AM (b3IgE)

190 I'm done with team "help it burn", bunch of RINO wankers. It's time to join team "burn it with phosphorous". Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at March 12, 2013 12:29 PM (epxV4)

I'd prefer Thermite, but your point is taken.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:30 AM (sbV1u)

191

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 12:27 PM (nUH8H)

 

What I cannot figure out... is how some people still do not have to pay Social Security Tax...

 

Either Social Security is a Tax... or its not.... and if it IS a Tax, why are some profesions, in some areas, exempt?

Posted by: Lefty Meme Guy at March 12, 2013 08:30 AM (lZBBB)

192 The Ryan budget keeps the ObamaCare taxes in place only because it doesn't assume fixes to Medicare, Medicaid and SS.  Think of those taxes as a placeholder reminder that entitlements need to be repaired.

Posted by: MTF at March 12, 2013 08:31 AM (B5y+v)

193 Off Off Damn socialistic killing sock.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 12, 2013 08:31 AM (b3IgE)

194

#185,

make it willie pete...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:31 AM (lbiWb)

195 2. Accept the fact that if you work, you're gonna
carry those millions on your back and the government is coming for your wallet. Sooner or later.
=========
40% of every dollar spent is borrowed from those under 18 and not yet born.

70% of every dollar spent goes to people who aren't working.

The 60% of every Social Security dollar not borrowed came out of someone's last paycheck. Current retirees--as a group--voted for and allowed politicians who long ago spent the money they contributed on programs _they_ benefited from.

There is 0% chance any retiree is going to take a cut--even if we all took a cut--because they are so invested in the notion "I paid for it, it's mine!!"

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:31 AM (VjL9S)

196 Yes you can cut all. Hell just bouncing out all the fraud and abuse at SSDI would just about balance it by itself. Cutting fraud & abuse is easier said than done, but the point of the original comment was actually this: Why can't Republicans come out with a budget (as our "opening position- I know it would never pass) that cuts growth for everything except SS & MC to 0 for the next year? No less money (so not a real "cut"), but no more money either. No growth for the EPA, the DOE (either of them), or anything (yes, that would include DOD- not saying it wouldn't suck). Come out and say, "This is our base position. You don't move to us, we don't move to you."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 12, 2013 08:31 AM (nUH8H)

197 Yeah.
Bigots.

Hey now.  AuthorL says anti-Catholic slurs are "humor" and he's smarter and better and better than all us old white people because he's not old and not white and writes at a third-grade level.   Third! Grade!

Posted by: Kim-Jong Un at March 12, 2013 08:31 AM (/kI1Q)

198 Iowahawk owns Twitter. yeah he does it's like mind porn

Posted by: beach on 1-hour delay at March 12, 2013 08:32 AM (XYSwB)

199 noodus postus

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2013 08:32 AM (C0ttM)

200 new one

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 08:32 AM (53z96)

201 Is there a reason why the Repubs can't just say, on every fucking microphone, we are freezing spending at the levels of the last passed budget (2007). Period. If the Dems want more, put it in writing form, call it a budget, then vote on it. No more increases Ryan. All this talk about 'slowing the growth' is confusing to LIV. Just say FREEZE. No cuts, no increases, easy for LIV to understand.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 12, 2013 08:32 AM (UU0OF)

202 You're always OK with me Radish.

Even when you're cranky. 

Brownie?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:33 AM (sbV1u)

203 192 The Ryan budget keeps the ObamaCare taxes in place only because it doesn't assume fixes to Medicare, Medicaid and SS. Think of those taxes as a placeholder reminder that entitlements need to be repaired.

What budget are you reading?

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 08:33 AM (YjDyJ)

204 "Hey now. AuthorL says anti-Catholic slurs are "humor" and he's smarter and better and better than all us old white people because he's not old and not white and writes at a third-grade level. Third! Grade!"

HeatherRadish dislikes another comment from me, in other news water is wet and the sky is a tint of blue...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:33 AM (yAor6)

205 here's a clue: some of us aren't Catholics and puzzle as to the entire dog pony show, and find it chuckle worthy. Unbunch your panties, m'kay?

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:19 PM (lbiWb)



So by mocking the 'dog and pony show' and Catholics it somehow makes you feel?


Well aren't you a special snowflake.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 12, 2013 08:34 AM (X6akg)

206 Iowahawk owns Twitter.


yeah he does

it's like mind porn


Is ace over there with  that  Twitter  slut  again?

Fine he can just stay there.  Let's  throw  his  clothes  in  the  yard.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 08:34 AM (KXm42)

207 Cutting fraud & abuse is easier said than done,


As long as we don't have a Party that is true.  But if we did all they would have to do is

1. Bounce everyone off SSDI whi less that 21 years old.

2. Bounce everyone off SSDI who is capable of doing ANY job what so ever.

Posted by: Vic at March 12, 2013 08:34 AM (53z96)

208

Amazing. I did not realize that Catholicism was the untouchable AoS religion that shall not be made fun of...

sheesh. What's next, calling for Mark Twain's head on a pike?

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:35 AM (lbiWb)

209 There is 0% chance any retiree is going to take a cut--even if we all took a cut--because they are so invested in the notion "I paid for it, it's mine!!" I know, the first generation to actually pay for Social Security from their first paycheck to their last is being greedy by expecting some of the money back. Buncha slackers.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:35 AM (feFL6)

210 Everytime I see money from my paycheck going into that crap my blood boils. Great chance that I won't see a dime of that money.
=============

Try being self-employed.
And your spouse.

Hole effing shitballs do I get pissed come tax time.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:36 AM (VjL9S)

211 The SPLC is interested in making more and more money. Hence anyone who doesn't agree with their far left views is part of a hate group.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 08:36 AM (g7q64)

212 Hey morons, I'm going to be visiting a friend in Majority Whip McCarthy's office on Thursday. Any (serious) suggestions for topics of discussion?

Posted by: Timon at March 12, 2013 08:36 AM (B0A2n)

213 House FY 2014 budget: http://1.usa.gov/ZFOvM8

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 12, 2013 08:37 AM (YjDyJ)

214 "Amazing. I did not realize that Catholicism was the untouchable AoS religion that shall not be made fun of..."

I like to call it selective outrage. Everyone is ok with people being allowed to poke fun until their Ox is gored

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:37 AM (yAor6)

215 208 Amazing. I did not realize that Catholicism was the untouchable AoS religion that shall not be made fun of... sheesh. What's next, calling for Mark Twain's head on a pike? Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:35 PM (lbiWb) AOSHQ Humor pro-tip: It's gotta be somewhat funny to someone if it's going to be to someone in your audience offensive.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 12, 2013 08:38 AM (FsUAO)

216 AOSHQ Humor pro-tip: It's gotta be somewhat funny to someone if it's going to be to someone in your audience offensive.

^^^^THIS

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 12, 2013 08:38 AM (sbV1u)

217 shoot grammar sucks. my bad

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 12, 2013 08:38 AM (FsUAO)

218 "AOSHQ Humor pro-tip: It's gotta be somewhat funny to someone if it's going to be to someone in your audience offensive."

in many ways, very true

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:39 AM (yAor6)

219

I know, the first generation to actually pay for Social Security from their first paycheck to their last is being greedy by expecting some of the money back. Buncha slackers.

 

Someone's gonna get hurt, regardless. At least the younger generation knows that they aren't going get anything back, and can plan ahead. An 80 year-old doesn't have that option.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 12, 2013 08:39 AM (d1fAu)

220

#214, I know, but here? After the level of venom @ pufffacedaddy and more...

#210 - been doing that for 3 decades or so - that quarterly check is a kick in the a$$.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:39 AM (lbiWb)

221 That was a horrible sentence but the point was made anyway.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 08:40 AM (KXm42)

222 No need to be a martyr, Jess. You want to say something negative about Catholicism. It's so,...new, so cutting edge. You cansay anything you like as long as ace doesn't mind (and I hardly think he's going to object to comments about smoke out of someone's ass.) So people want to try to push buttons on Catholics. Meh. I'm not one by the way. It's just the anti Catholic vitriol bores me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 08:40 AM (g7q64)

223

"So by mocking the 'dog and pony show' and Catholics it somehow makes you feel?"

Like laughing.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:41 AM (lbiWb)

224 221 That was a horrible sentence but the point was made anyway. Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 12:40 PM (KXm42) I wrote something, went back and edited in the beginning, then never checked the entire thing. I'll try again: AOSHQ Humor pro-tip: It's gotta be somewhat funny to someone if it's going to offend people in your audience.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 12, 2013 08:42 AM (FsUAO)

225 This is as phony as a three dollar bill, but it doesn't matter. Obama has demonstrated that America now has enough diversity for identity politics to dominate economic politics. That Barack Obama was able to win a second time with a dog of an economy and no plans to fix it but only big-state plans to make it worse shows that the political wisdom of "it's the economy, stupid" has ended its shelf life and belongs with advice directed to hereditary monarchs. In 2008 Hillary and Barack sorted out whether race or gender is the dominant form of identity politics. It's race. Now you have a racial strategy to strengthen your base and win that way, or you are in the buggy whip business, politically. If/when the Republican Party starts being serious, it will begin by acknowledging that demographically it is the White Party, and instead of dumping and disparaging its supporters, it will start helping them. Till then it's a clown show, whether the numbers for budgets that will never be enacted add up right or not.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 12, 2013 08:43 AM (mdDx/)

226 "#214, I know, but here? After the level of venom @ pufffacedaddy and more..."

Well I've always been of the opinion that of all the Christian denominations, Catholics are the most thin-skin. I defend them against Govt over-reach one second and the next I'm called a Catholic hater because I found some jokes about Catholics funny. I'm used to it by now, already lost suppose friends over their thin-skin attitudes towards jokes. MostCatholic friends of mine have been very cool about it but it certainly has raised the ire of some.

"#210 - been doing that for 3 decades or so - that quarterly check is a kick in the a$$."

It never ends! That's money I could use on a retirement account that isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:44 AM (yAor6)

227

"You want to say something negative about Catholicism."

It's a funny line, and no, I didn't come up w/it. FWIW, where were the various scolds @ Sandra F. posts? Lena D? Ashley J? Islam's foibles & habits? Oh, those are free targets...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:44 AM (lbiWb)

228 "It's just the anti Catholic vitriol bores me."

The closest thing to actual "Anti-Catholic" vitriol I've seen on here was when FourthVirginia exploded the other day and I came to the defense of Catholics and told him to ease up. Just remember a lot of the people you guys are getting on for their jokes are the same people who oppose the BC mandate Obama is forcing on the church.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:46 AM (yAor6)

229 At least the younger generation knows that they aren't going get anything back, and can plan ahead. I used to think that way, too. But there's something about math and accounting and actuarial tables. They actually work if the right assumptions are plugged in. Recessions and near depressions take all those numbers, all that math, all those actuarial tables and run them through a shredder. The one and only answer is to get about ten million Americans back to work and off the dole. Now. Every days delay reduces the chances of the young of ever collecting a dime.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:46 AM (feFL6)

230 There is 0% chance any retiree is going to take a cut--even if we all took a cut--because they are so invested in the notion "I paid for it, it's mine!!"

I know, the first generation to actually pay for Social Security from their first paycheck to their last is being greedy by expecting some of the money back. Buncha slackers.
=========
You get ten years--ten years and you're paid back in full with generous interest.

How many live past 75?

Tell me again what they "paid for."

Greed? Yes. Not only do they expect to get all of their money "back" but they want it twice.

They _already_ got it "back" the first time when they--as a group--voted for and allowed politicians to spend that withholding on other programs they really liked. Other programs they _directly benefited_ from.

Sorry, there's no moral justification for the enslavement of those who are too young to vote and not yet born all because they believed a politician.

Yet, that is what they raise holy hell over--their right to the ongoing enslavement of future generations so they may continue to Hoveround Florida.

And the Supreme Court has already long ago said you have not right to that money "back" as it is (cue John Roberts) a tax. 

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:47 AM (VjL9S)

231 I didn't say anything about your posts. Mendez.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 08:47 AM (g7q64)

232 I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2013 08:47 AM (KXm42)

233 "So by mocking the 'dog and pony show' and Catholics it somehow makes you feel?"

Like laughing.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 12:41 PM (lbiWb)



Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 12, 2013 08:47 AM (X6akg)

234 I didn't say anything about your posts. Mendez.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 12:47 PM (g7q64)

I know but as someone who has come under fire before I felt compelled to use my right to respond.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:48 AM (yAor6)

235

"Whatever makes you feel better about yourself."

Yep. Laughing does indeed make me feel better. Try it sometime.

#232, neither did I. Whew.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:50 AM (lbiWb)

236 "#232, neither did I. Whew."

Pro-Tip: If you like Catholic jokes, stay away from a certain facebook group created by some morons. I found out the hard way.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:52 AM (yAor6)

237 And to be clear: I mean what I've been saying about the retirees "as a group."

Yes, there are many who played by the rules, voted against it, fought in every way they could against it and all those other good and noble things.

And they lost.

That's democracy.

Now what?

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 12, 2013 08:52 AM (VjL9S)

238 the deficit as a percent of the GNP has already been falling. Hopefully as the economy continues to improve it will go down even more

Posted by: occam at March 12, 2013 08:52 AM (GUG2O)

239 I haven't made any stupid comments about Fluke, Dunham, Judd or Islam. So I guess you're a liberal troll, Jess. Meh. Adios.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 08:52 AM (g7q64)

240 They _already_ got it "back" the first time when they--as a group--voted for and allowed politicians to spend that withholding on other programs they really liked. Other programs they _directly benefited_ from. What is killing SS right now is not the people who paid into the system for four or five decades. Period. Read that again slower if it helps to comprehend. It is being brutalized by 20 something kids who are placed in the system for life. People who worked for ten years and are perfectly fine who get lawyered up, claim disability, and get on the dole. But are still 'allowed' to earn money and take a job away from someone else. That wasn't some conservative Republican who pushed for the easing of standards for eligibility. Nor at any time did I see a candidate run on that position. We get screwed in back-room negotiating because our RINO leaders don't have a backbone.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 12, 2013 08:54 AM (feFL6)

241 "So I guess you're a liberal troll, Jess."

Why would you come to that automatic conclusion? if Jess is a liberal trolling the site he/she can say that for themselves. the issues they raised are something I have personally seen and ring true whether he/she is a liberal or not. Some people don't like their ox being gored while claiming they can laugh at everything.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 08:54 AM (yAor6)

242 Meh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 08:56 AM (g7q64)

243

"I haven't made any stupid comments about Fluke, Dunham, Judd or Islam."

Who knows - but I promise that you have not "tut tutted" those who have, especially at this level.

"So I guess you're a liberal troll, Jess"

Guess again. "Search this page" is your friend...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 08:56 AM (lbiWb)

244 What's the budget impact of Nanny Bloomberg's initiatives, making all those New Yorkers live longer? Will it bankrupt the Feds or just Florida?

Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2013 08:57 AM (VHfsw)

245 As a matter of fake I have, Jess. Adios.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 09:00 AM (g7q64)

246 "As a matter of fake I have, Jess."

third grade mistake!

- Heather Harpie

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 09:02 AM (yAor6)

247

Nah, Freudian slip...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 09:03 AM (lbiWb)

248 Budgetary trench warfare will continue until it can't.  Right now, both Europe and Japan are further along the curve than we are and thus preventing the revenge of the bond vigilantes on the US for now.  When the Fed loses control over interest rates due to bond market pressures, then all bets are off. 

Use this time wisely to prepare before the world wide crisis of sovereign debt/fiat money cometh.  

Posted by: wg at March 12, 2013 09:05 AM (xeqNN)

249 I have no idea what that meant, Mendez. I have a problem with crude crap about liberal women just as I have with conservative women. Occasionally I say something about it. I'm not paid to be nanny here.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 09:05 AM (g7q64)

250 And What I meant was I have "tut tutted it" at time. Let me guess Mendez and Jess are the same person. Meh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 09:07 AM (g7q64)

251 Oh, I see what you meant. I made a TYPO. Call out the riot team.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 09:09 AM (g7q64)

252 And you'd be wrong. Again.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 09:09 AM (lbiWb)

253 So what? I'm tired of you both.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2013 09:12 AM (g7q64)

254 And yet you're still here, two posts later...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 12, 2013 09:19 AM (lbiWb)

255 "Let me guess Mendez and Jess are the same person."

try again

"So what? I'm tired of you both."

You ever leaving? You've said adios like twice now

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 09:20 AM (yAor6)

256 "I have a problem with crude crap about liberal women just as I have with conservative women."

Hmm, are you part of the harpies facebook group as well? I'm still around but only because people have begged me to stay. I got the messages saved to prove it btw.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 12, 2013 09:22 AM (yAor6)

257 Oh look, squirrel.

Posted by: akula51 at March 12, 2013 09:50 AM (Vgn84)

258 You should have seen Norah O'Donnell on CBS this morning. She's in Vatican City and was talking to someone about the Papal elections. She said "But why all the secrecy?" three times. It's secret because 1) that's the way elections should be and 2) because Catholics all have to come behind the new Pope in support after his election. That would be hard to do, if you knew the cardinals that voted against you.

Posted by: notsothoreau at March 12, 2013 10:02 AM (5HBd1)

259 @48: I think you meant to say "You wang?"

Posted by: sans_sheriff at March 12, 2013 10:34 AM (3R8Ep)

260 You are surprised that the person (Ryan) who voted for TARP isn't a conservative? Lolerskates.

Posted by: NAME REDACTED at March 12, 2013 02:27 PM (zz9gj)

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