1 I knew this 3 days ago.

2 Police state

3 Wait...the same guy who was all concerned about Rubio teaming with Schumer is now all for Amash teaming with many more progressive Democrats? I have no real opinion on this matter but I do find it ironic. Amash is a Paul-bot, anything he does should cause everyone to pause.

4 As I said this morning.  Instead lets prosecute and jail all the criminals who improperly used this act as well as no act to spy on normal American citizens an opposition Party members.


The answer is not more legislation when you have a lawless administration that violates existing law at every turn.


Lets jail some ass.

5 I was proud of our President Of olor yesterday, so proud aftering hearing his speech on how he is going to fix this economy that Bush screwed up. Anybody that doesn't agreee or a tear does not come to their eye is plane stupid. Way to go President Obama, we love you and support you here in Detroit.

6 We need this program to keep tabs on those crazy Amish.

7 @6: Or that crazy Amash.

8 You’ll hear “but it’s stopped a bunch of attacks!” Which ones? How? Why didn't it stop the Boston bombing when we had advanced warning that the older brother was connected to terrorists? --- Given the leaky ship that is the Obama administration, you'd think that we would have a few concrete examples of stuff this had stopped if it was that important to them as a national defense tool. Instead, every leak regarding stopped attacks that I can think of either deals with a foreign on-ground asset, such as a British spy, or cases where the FBI et all infiltrated a group of idiots who didn't realize they were being sold dummy explosives. The Boston attack is particularly galling because the Russians pointed out these guys to us and said "Hey, we know stuff about Chechen terrorism and these guys are bad news. Keep an eye on them." and we completely ignored them.

9

All the guys that were in a huff about Snowden reminding the world that the NSA is spying on everybody were government types. I do not defend Snowden, but I do draw attention to the fact that the government is not on your side. If they were, the borders would be secure, illegals would not be living in the USA, and Muslims from Saudi Arabia would have an inordinate amount of difficulty getting into the USA. For crying out loud, a Saudi princess was enslaving Phillipine maids in Los Angelos, and others did the same in Colorado a few years back.

10 @8

You're right. If anything were stopped on President Gutsy Call's watch, we'd be hearing it from on high.

11

Personally, “trust us” isn’t good enough. Promises that almost all of the data collected is never analyzed aren't good enough either. Distrusting the government isn’t a sign of nuttery (unless taken to an extreme of course) but rather a healthy necessity in a republic.

 

I would posit that TRUSTING the government    at this point is    a   sign of nuttery,   especially    in the wake of the IRS scandals, not to mention their targeting of average    Americans for anal rape scrutiny (like Joe the Plumber).

12 hey, NSA geek...pass the Mayo.

13 let it burn

14 We gave the government an inch I'll give you more than that, but I'll need it back in thirty seconds.

15 Jailing the perpetrators shouldn't be a problem. I'd be happy to see about 600 people currently doing time for minor drug offenses cut loose to make room for the equivalent number of self-entitled blowhards in the White House, DoJ and Congress who have done serious violence to the rights of citizens.

A crime syndicate should be dismantled from the top down, Vic. So Choom Boy and his enablers need to be take the fall first.

"Pour encourager les autres," and all that.

This is what enrages me about so many of those who claim to be all for the Constitution: they would throw some drone at the NSA in the cooler, but let the truly guilty go free.

16 Your overlords at work.  Representative government, my ass.

17 Just the tip, we promise.

18 At every step of the way, the Federal government has either hidden, lied about, or understated the degree of surveillance and data acquisition.

Trust? That's a four letter word now.

9/11 is the dreaded pretext for fascism many dreaded. Not me back at the time but others who apparently had better insight. If we don't check it now, it won't be too much of a stretch to say our rail system will soon go into hyperdrive. And I don't care if I'm charged with initiating Godwin. Executive powers and police acts have become too strong, the Court's checks too passive, and the Legislative branch too cowardly.

We're in danger. And not primarily from terrorists.

19 Vic's absolutely correct. We have an ends justify the means bureaucracy, and passing another law for them to ignore won't do a damned thing.

20 Let it burn and add more fuel please. 

21 For crying out loud, a Saudi princess was enslaving Phillipine maids in Los Angelos, and others did the same in Colorado a few years back.

Posted by: Harry at July 25, 2013 09:45 AM (ib4tw)

**

Do these Phillipino maids have twitter handels??

22 For crying out loud, a Saudi princess was enslaving Phillipine maids in Los Angelos, and others did the same in Colorado a few years back. --- And those are far from the only cases of Saudis holding slaves in the US from what I can remember, as I seem to recall cases of it in DC and Boston as well. To put it in Game Of Thrones terms, it's like the Saudis are sending over a fleet of petulant little bastards like Prince Joffery who need to have the shit smacked out of them by their uncles to show common goddamn decency to their hosts.

23 The ruling class won't surrender their peeping Tom privileges. Power never surrenders its weapons.

24 @19: Which is why the bill took away their money. That's harder to ignore, although I'm sure the Iranian rat and her puppet President could figure out ways around it.

25 We're in danger. And not primarily from terrorists.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 25, 2013 09:49 AM

Oh, they're terrorists, all right. Just not the expected bomb-hurling, unwashed type we see rampaging in the Middle East. Instead, we get domestic terrorists, America-hating scumbags who are livin' large on our money. And they are worse than the foreign variety.

26 That thing in your mouth is secret case law.

27 Take it back? That's just...precious. LOL.

28 Remember, don't let the hand waving over the meta-data distract you.  The link analysis of calls is just as intrusive as them listening in to a conversation; the former is a violation of our 1st Amendment right of association, and the latter of our 4th Amendment rights.

29 You can always tell a terrorist by his cologne and the watch on his wrist...

30 The problem here is not government power. It is the government officials we¡¯ve elected to wield it. We gave the government an inch and of course they took a mile. It's time to take it back. Black flag. Hoist. Rope. Tree. Assemble.

31

My favorite argument for this stuff is, "We CAN'T look at your information or   listen to your phone calls or read your emails and texts or otherwise violate your privacy because it's ILLEGAL."

 

Oh, really?   Gee, I    feel so much better now!   It's   nice to know that some words written somewhere   are so solid and binding that they act as a physical blockade, keeping unsavory characters from snooping into my private business.  

 

It's bullshit.   The fact of the matter is yes, the government CAN look at your information and listen to your phone calls and read your emails or texts and otherwise violate your privacy.   Of course they can.  They're just not    SUPPOSED to.     

 

Hell,   I'm not supposed to eat things that    were   "processed in a facility that also processes peanuts."    But you know what?    Sometimes I do it anyway, because chocolate is     a powerful motivator.       And chocolate's got NOTHING on political power when it comes to being addictive.  So if you think our elected, appointed and bureaucratic officials WON'T misuse    the mechanisms at their command in order to solidify and maintain their sphere    of power    and influence, then you are grossly naive.

32 This is what enrages me about so many of those who claim to be all for the Constitution: they would throw some drone at the NSA in the cooler, but let the truly guilty go free.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 25, 2013 09:48 AM (/RIVS)

The way it works though in DC land is yu start at the bottom and work your way up cutting deals to get then to testify for higher ups.

Eventually you get to the top because the lower level perps do not want the pound me in the ass grey bar motel.

33 Democrat's back their guys all the way, going top down won't go anywhere. Going from the bottom up may actually cause some changes, as people generally won't be willing to go to prison for their bosses.

34 We don't have enough data yet to neutralize the GOP in 2014 and restore Queen Pelosi as House speaker. It would be madness to stop us now!

35 What we need is a virus that can be input into the Matrix in order to bring it to it's knees.

36 You know, Amash is kinda an ass -- that was a pretty close vote for something coming from him.  What will happen if a more mainstream guy puts a reasonable bill in play.

37

"Just the tip, we promise."

 

My goodness!  What enormous, barbed, and diseased "tip" you have, sir!  I  do  so  patriotically look forward to  more of it! 

38 You know how some regular commenters have a catch phrase-type comment that they include in almost every thread? Like the 'scatter the stones' thing or 'SCOAMF' ? I've decided to start one of my own, and it goes like this:


Our forefathers would be shooting people by now. Just sayin'.

This comment intended for entertainment purposes only.

39 O/T Anyone need anything at Costco? Got to get some wine, drank it all this morning.

40 The mayonnaise zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the brown zone.

41 Our forefathers would be shooting people by now. Just sayin'. This comment intended for entertainment purposes only. Posted by: Jones in CO at July 25, 2013 09:57 AM (8sCoq) i like it

42 My favorite argument for this stuff is, "We CAN'T look at your information or listen to your phone calls or read your emails and texts or otherwise violate your privacy because it's ILLEGAL." They say 'can't.' They mean 'won't.' Unless.

43 O/T Anyone need anything at Costco?

Got to get some wine, drank it all this morning.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 25, 2013 09:57 AM (wR+pz)

 

Some Arizona Watermelon Drink, some Skittles, and a gallon of Robitussin.

44 Eventually you get to the top because the lower level perps do not want the pound me in the ass grey bar motel.
Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 09:53 AM

"The way it works in DC" is the way it doesn't work at all.

The record of bringing down the real perps by cutting deals with the drones is pathetic, to put it mildly. And, to be honest, is far too time-consuming. Has anyone offered to roll over and implicate Choom Boy in fives years of corruption, treason and repeated violations of his Oath of Office?

I didn't think so.

I know what you're saying is SOP, Vic. But this time I think we need to get ALL of them in orange jumpsuits.

45 The fact of the matter is yes, the government CAN look at your information and listen to your phone calls and read your emails or texts and otherwise violate your privacy. Of course they can. They're just not SUPPOSED to.


And when they do, it's for our own good, so sit down, shut up and eat your peas.

Also, that thing that happened in your mouth?  For your own good.

46 This comment intended for entertainment purposes only. I might append that to my phone calls.

47

Do you want to know why we are so permanently screwed?  It isn't necesssarily liberal policies, because the so-called conservative policies are often in the same mindset.  The mindset is that every problem is the government's to solve, and    'solve' it they do, with additional legislation.  The actual problem we have is too much government. 

 

We have reached the point (    about a decade ago, actually ) where the level of government has exceeded the carrying capacity of the economy.  Government is sometimes a necessary evil, but it is always   an evil.    By definition, every government program is a net negative economically to society.  Some we want, some we tolerate, some we do not want, but our betters     approve them anyway.  Now, we have reached the limit of what the private sector, who actually provides the profit to fund government, can afford.  Our   economy will not recover or grow until we meaningfully reduce the level    of government services - it cannot.

48 I've decided to start one of my own, and it goes like this: Our forefathers would be shooting people by now. Just sayin'. This comment intended for entertainment instructional purposes only. Better.

49 Oh! And it ALMOST didn't pass! It was this close yet again! Everything is just so close!

50 zszsz it's in a lockbox! just like social security!!! omg!!! //// the ones who believed in "question authority" are now the authority....nothing to see here....move along.....

51 The interpretation of the 4th in putting a tracking bug on someone's car without a warrant has been ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS already.



And contrary to who ever said that about bugging someone's home from outside without a warrant that is also illegal.  The difference in the case of the Patriot Act is there is a special court that issues those warrants.

52

So, you want to know about one of the terrorist attacks prevented, do ya?

I attended the funeral of a friend's mother over the weekend. Said friend related the story of how they made a call to their spouse earlier in the year to vent about the poor service that was rendered by the postal service. During the call, said friend told their spouse that they wanted to crash their car into the post office. Not 15 minutes later after the call to their spouse, said received a phone call from the FBI. Said friend convinced the feds that it wasn't a serious threat, but a week later the post office in question had barriers placed in front of the building. And finally, said friend has been pulled out of line for more extensive searches at the airport the last two times they have travelled on commercial airlines.

53 DrewM  had  premature  postulation.  

54 I simply don't care anymore. Seriously. What's the friggin' point?

55 We have reached the point ( about a decade ago, actually ) where the level of government has exceeded the carrying capacity of the economy. Government is sometimes a necessary evil, but it is always an evil. By definition, every government program is a net negative economically to society. Some we want, some we tolerate, some we do not want, but our betters approve them anyway. Now, we have reached the limit of what the private sector, who actually provides the profit to fund government, can afford. Our economy will not recover or grow until we meaningfully reduce the level of government services - it cannot.

Now that's goddamned genius.

And also stolen.  Shamelessly.  By me. 

56

Well, we *could* read your emails  and texts and listen  in on your phone conversations and record and index  everything.

 

 

 

 

but that would be WRONG!

 

 

 

 

[smirk]

57 Unfortunately the ultra security right teamed up with the "give the government every power we can while we are in power" left.

58 O/T Anyone need anything at Costco? Skittles please.

59 Jones in CO: I've decided to start one of my own, and it goes like this..."

Great idea. I'll do one, too:

"Text me. Now. Please."

60

>>>>Do you want to know why we are so permanently screwed?

 

Because they care very much about what you think and how you feel and the way you talk. And we just want to be left alone.

61 @52: It's a good thing we're spending massive taxpayer money on preventing people from being angry at the post office.

62 I imagine the phrase "limited government" triggers a PRISM scan.

63 It was a purity test vote.  Sensenbrenner, Amash - prepare to be primaried out, and if you're not, we'll back the Rat.

64 Conventional Wisdom: These NSA programs are designed to catch terrorists Reality: These NSA programs were designed to catch drug gangs and commies.

65 McCarthy is just precious.  He writes on two topics:  1.  How you can't trust the Obama Adminstration and how its DOJ is off the rails; 2.  That same Administration you can't trust should have unlimited access to your private and personal communications.  He doesn't seem to have the intellectual honesty to see that his view of unlimited prosecutorial power leads to people like Holder and Corey. 

66 3 Wait...the same guy who was all concerned about Rubio teaming with Schumer is now all for Amash teaming with many more progressive Democrats? I have no real opinion on this matter but I do find it ironic. Amash is a Paul-bot, anything he does should cause everyone to pause. Posted by: @AuthorLMendez So your irrational illogical hatred of Paul means you'll ignore the very good points he is making? If anything, your an Anti-Paul-bot, and we ignore anything you are saying.

67 I am shocked .  Shocked  that  there  is questionable  surveilliance  going  on here.

68 Skittles please. Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2013 10:02 AM (bpzkI) Have to buy a box of them. They don't sell watermelon tea, so you are on your own there.

69 Big Brother is Bi-Partisan.

70 O/T but it looks like holder is going after Texas for their voting laws. He wants to go over the Supreme Court and require Texas to get permission from the DOJ or Federal Court to change any of their voting laws. Says that's only the beginning...

71 If the Republicans didn't love the current size, scope and reach of the federal government, what would they be doing differently?

Fact is, the current GOP "leadership" has two loves: The federal government and being second fiddle. Everything they do--EVERYTHING--fits perfectly into furthering both.

Fucking Boner--not a leader, a follower.

If he was a leader, if he cared about anything other than smoking cigs on the putting green with the JEF, he'd be the Shadow President*--every speech the JEF gives, he gives a speech both attacking it and setting up the conservative option, every policy the JEF put forth, he throws out the opposite.

Pelosi made damned sure you knew she was Speaker. Boner? Milk carton alerts and Bat Signals can't rouse his ass from another sob fest in the corner his office.

*I think that's the untold story of how W and the GOP (purposely?) failed. The Dems basically ran as the composite "Shadow President." They always made sure everything he did and said was opposed by someone prominent. Then, when 2008 rolled around, they could pick and choose all the issues they'd been "right" on (because they'd been on both sides of every issue). And public bought it.

72 i joined sam's club because it's closer to my house and there are less riff raff that go there....but costco is better i went to target for the first time in over a year....boy has that place gone down hill.....i used to love shopping there....now it's a dump..... i'm not sure why i'm divulging this information...feel free to stop me at anytime.....

73 The answer is not more legislation when you have a lawless administration that violates existing law at every turn. Lets jail some ass. Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 09:40 AM (lZvxr) Yup.

74 UWP: "Oh! And it ALMOST didn't pass! It was this close yet again! Everything is just so close!"

Exactly. It's almost like it's orchestrated. Like... oh, what's the word... kabuki.

75

As I said this morning. Instead lets prosecute and jail all the criminals who improperly used this act as well as no act to spy on normal American citizens an opposition Party members.

 

The answer is not more legislation when you have a lawless administration that violates existing law at every turn.

 

Lets jail some ass.

 

Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 09:40 AM (lZvxr)

 

Your ass looks like jailbait.

76

Aaaannnd... finally dumpy-assed narcissist Ann Althouse discloses why she really closed comments:

 

" I'd long had the problem of commenters making my site look "right-wing." I'm a political moderate. I didn't mind comments that contrasted with what I said. But in the last months of comments, the toxicity came from commenters who meant to poison this blog to death. "

 

 

77 Our forefathers would be shooting people by now. Just sayin'.

This comment intended for entertainment purposes only.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 25, 2013 09:57 AM (8sCoq)

Nice.

We need a modern-day Thomas Jefferson and a Declaration of Independence for the 21st century.

Although....his version applies quite nicely to Emperor Obama and his handlers.

78 I'm kind of strict on the Constitution. If any action by the government has the effect of gathering information on me without my personal knowledge or consent, I consider it a search.

79 "You’ll hear “but it’s stopped a bunch of attacks!” Which ones? How? Why didn't it stop the Boston bombing when we had advanced warning that the older brother was connected to terrorists?" RAAAACIST! or something.

80
"I think it was good to have the debate on the Amash Amendment"





The House Republican leadership limited debate on the amendment to 15 minutes.

So, not really a debate as such.

81

Big Brother is Bi-Partisan.

 

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 25, 2013 10:05 AM (bb5+k)

 

Party In Government, even, or PIG for short.

82 Oh! And it ALMOST didn't pass! It was this close yet again! Everything is just so close! Almost like a mafia numbers racket. "Youse guys was this > < close! Keep playing! Mebbe you'll win next week!"

83 Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 25, 2013 10:05 AM

Holder is definitely on the list for a short trial and long incarceration.

84 Here, allow me to scan your phone for unauthorized calls. This will only take thirty seconds.

85 How exactly are we to jail the perps in gov't? Does Congress have arrest and imprisonment authority and power? Do they have a brig somewhere in the Capitol that I wasn't aware of?

Folks, as long as Obama and Holder are there, it ain't gonna happen.

86 If it was. Republican admin this passes with practically all the Dems voting for it,R split about the same.

87 Was this covered in todays bitching? Scientists warn on Arctic ‘economic time bomb’ MY ASS!! - Fuck off "scientists".

88 You know what the sad thing about all this illegal bugging going on is?  If they do grow some balls and prosecute people there will be two outcomes.


A few gov dick heads will be found guilty and pay fines.  Some low level flunky may go to jail for a few years.  Congress will pass anothr useless law.


Meanwhile, the civil cases will sprout like sandspurs in a dry Southern lawn and the taxpayer will be held accountable.

89 >Aaaannnd... finally dumpy-assed narcissist Ann Althouse discloses why she really closed comments:


was it just for a particular post, or is she closing down comments in general?

90 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:06 AM (CJjw5)

All I did was ask her to post some tasteful topless pictures of herself from the 1960's, back when she looked like a woman.

No fucking sense of humor.

91 Why didn't it stop the Boston bombing when we had advanced warning that the older brother was connected to terrorists?" This program is ineffective against Muslims.

92 We're in danger. And not primarily from terrorists. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 25, 2013 09:49 AM (eHIJJ) Yes, we've been watching the construction of a Fascist Death-Star for quite a while now.

93 i went to target for the first time in over a year....boy has that place gone down hill.....i used to love shopping there....now it's a dump.....

i'm not sure why i'm divulging this information...feel free to stop me at anytime.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 25, 2013 10:06 AM (8JJ6O)

 

I still go to Target.  They have the best colored casual wear  tee shirts both v neck and reg.  Momisso and Merando brand.   $10.00.    Can't beat it.    

94 How exactly are we to jail the perps in gov't? Does Congress have arrest and imprisonment authority and power? Do they have a brig somewhere in the Capitol that I wasn't aware of?

Folks, as long as Obama and Holder are there, it ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: KG at July 25, 2013 10:07 AM (p7BzH)

Criminal contempt charges go straight from congress to the DC court and do not go through Holder.  And there is always a special prosecutor.  But that only applies to a Republican Adm.

95 91 But very effective against conservatives!

96 Posted by: UWP at July 25, 2013 10:08 AM (r98SZ)

I read that article, and it was remarkably content-free. No data, no timeline, no citations of research. Just blather from a "scientist."

97 let it burn Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 25, 2013 09:47 AM (8JJ6O) Light it up.

98

This program is ineffective against Muslims.

 

Posted by: zsasz at July 25, 2013 10:09 AM (MMC8r)

 

As intended.  It was all about shutting down internal dissent.

99 Folks, as long as Obama and Holder are there, it ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: KG at July 25, 2013 10:07 AM

There was a time when Americans believed -- and acted as if -- no one is above the law. That includes President Historic First© and his pet Black Panther.

We ignore that once-true ideal at our peril.

100 Let it burnand add more fuel please. Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 25, 2013 09:50 AM (EGPJQ) Light it up.

101

>>>We need a modern-day Thomas Jefferson and a Declaration of Independence for the 21st century.

 

Ya know what's odd? All of the ideals is the Founding documents would "sell" really well to the US public -- but only if you never mention the origins.

102 I imagine the phrase "limited government" triggers a PRISM scan. The phrase "limited government"? That's a droning.

103 Personally, “trust us” isn’t good enough. Promises that almost all of the data collected is never analyzed aren't good enough either. Distrusting the government isn’t a sign of nuttery (unless taken to an extreme of course) but rather a healthy necessity in a republic. The problem right now is that we don't know what is extreme. A few months ago saying "hey the NSA is collecting everyone's metadata and they are rulings in cases that the defendants aren't even aware took place" would have been considered tinhatty. Now it's observing the facts. As far as Andrew McCarthy, it's very simple. A prosecutor thinks he should have the ability to get any information he wants, any way he wants, any time he wants, in order to prosecute anyone he wants. Once you realize that bias, his positions are coherent. Oh, those positions still spit up and chew out the Constitution, but at least they are coherent. It's of a piece with the civil forfeiture discussion we were having below. Hell, all of this goes with Allen's comments about the state of Texas finally agreeing he's a citizen and not a subject. If we are subjects, then the State has the right to know anything it wants, any time it wants. If we are citizens, the State has only the powers of investigation which the citizens grant to it. My position on human nature being what it is has been set out ad nauseam. Of course people will abuse such power. That's what people do.

104 If he was a leader, if he cared about anything other than smoking cigs on the putting green with the JEF, he'd be the Shadow President*--every speech the JEF gives, he gives a speech both attacking it and setting up the conservative option, every policy the JEF put forth, he throws out the opposite. John Boehner threatened Obama during the Libyan conflict to seek Congressional authorization 'or else.' Two days past the deadline, they went golfing together. That's how you know nothing will come of any of these scandals - the GOP is all about comity with its fellows in Washington.

105

"During the call, said friend told their spouse that they wanted tocrash their car into the post office. Not 15 minutes later after the call to their spouse, said received a phone call from the FBI."

 

If true, that's some chilling, Orwellian shit right there.

106 the toxicity came from commenters who meant to poison this blog to death It's a blog, Annie my sweet. Not a precious snowflake. Don't go hiring an undertaker or professional mourners.

107

let it burn

 

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 25, 2013 09:47 AM (8JJ6O)

 

The ObamiNation, the ObamiNation, the ObamiNation's on fire.

We don't need no water.

Let the motherfucker burn.

Burn motherfucker, BURN!

108 The purpose of all this surveillance is not to prevent another attack. It is to clean up after.

109

@ Jones,

 

She shut 'em all off.  Now every other post* is spent justifying her decision, with "emails" from readers praising her for making the bestest decision EVAH in closing down the comments, because it's so much better when we can just bask in your brilliance, such as posting pictures of your faggy husband cutting the grass with a dipshitty reel mower.

 

Stupid twat.

 

*I am not, nor  have I ever been an Althouse fan or reader.  I only twigged to her latest stupidity through  an  Instapundit link.  She's doing a "soft CJ," but on her entire readership.  If you want to comment, you have to email her fucking poodle, Meade.  He will then pass on (or create)  the most glowing  and complimentary emails so she can post them and admire herself.

110 The difference in the case of the Patriot Act is there is a special court that issues those warrants.

It's called the M.A.Y.O.N.N.A.I.S.E. (Meshuggahs and Yutes Organizing Nasty kNowitalls And Itinerant Screeching Earthfirsters) Court, and the Judge will never like your cuffs. True story.

111 Our forefathers would be shooting people by now. Just sayin'. This comment intended for entertainment purposes only. Posted by: Jones in CO at July 25, 2013 09:57 AM (8sCoq) I've come up with one myself and in a similar vein. "Light it up."

112 It is now time for Texas to tell Holder: "Fuck off. And any federal court you go to can get doubly fucked."

What is he going to do, send federal troops in to stop our elections?

Seriously, if the state says "no, we are not racists and fuck you for profiling us" what could the feds do?

113 Sorry to go OT but I'm re-posting this from a dead thread because I think it's important enough to discuss: Okay folks, here's a video that tens of millions of Americans undoubtedly agree with. As usual, the Democrats are using it to paint him as a dangerous nut, too dangerous to be the police chief or a member of the school board in a tiny town. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QQW0RswpQ4 Code Pink and the rest of those loons have used language just as vulgar and tactics far more offensive. Which, of course, doesn't matter. The video is apparently going viral. If you haven't heard of it yet you probably will soon. Personally, I see nothing wrong with the video as long as the audience is age appropriate for the language. Please take a look at it and tell me -- is this the kind of stuff we should discourage to avoid "controversy" or do we need to man up and push more of it into the Left's face?

114 If you want to comment, you have to email her fucking poodle, Meade. He will then pass on (or create) the most glowing and complimentary emails so she can post them and admire herself. Meade is now "Lawn Boy".

115 Aaaannnd... finally dumpy-assed narcissist Ann Althouse discloses why she really closed comments: Without comments why would you bother reading it? I no longer read "news" sites that do not have comments sections.

116

"i went to target for the first time in over a year....boy has that place gone down hill.....i used to love shopping there....now it's a dump"

 

What *hasn't* gone downhill in the last  several years?  From garbage on the side of the road to FSA thugs crammed into McMansions - it's all gone to shit.

 

Well, except for DC and it's environs, of course.

117 Anyone who labels themselves a "moderate" is either a leftist or a pussy.

118 FBI: Federal Bureau of Investigation, also FaceBook Inc. Coincidence?

119 .......... such as posting pictures of your faggy husband cutting the grass with a dipshitty reel mower.


Do people still use those damn sorry things.  I tried mowing a postage stamp size yard out in CA with one and it beat the shit out of me,  And I was young and in good damn shape then.

120 This vote combined with the absolute insistence to enact Amigo Grande! through taking care of the "little dreamers" and owngoaling the committee is gonna make it a pleasure to cost the GOP the House again.

121 She's doing a "soft CJ," but on her entire readership Ponytails ain't a good look on you, Dorothy.

122  If you want to comment, you have to email her fucking poodle, Meade. He will then pass on (or create) the most glowing and complimentary emails so she can post them and admire herself.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:14 AM (CJjw5)

So what you're saying - really - is that Ann is Charles Johnson?

123 ( Assumes Pelosi-like faux-outrage voice.... ) Really? Really!!!! 76 Aaaannnd... finally dumpy-assed narcissist Ann Althouse discloses why she really closed comments: " I'd long had the problem of commenters making my site look "right-wing." I'm a political moderate. I didn't mind comments that contrasted with what I said. But in the last months of comments, the toxicity came from commenters who meant to poison this blog to death. " Posted by: Empire of Jeff I thought it was because commenters disagreed with her. I have not been back since, except to check if the fool re-enabled comments. Not so far. Funny, I thought lawyers- let alone "perfessers" of Law- welcomed arguments. Silly me....

124

The difference in the case of the Patriot Act is there is a special court star chamber that issues those warrants.

 

Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 10:01 AM (lZvxr)

 

ReWrite™ for accuracy.

125 EOJ

I've read her blog a few times, but not in a while. The impression I got was: it insists upon itself.

126

Anyone who labels themselves a "moderate" is either a leftist or a pussy.

 

Posted by: steevy at July 25, 2013 10:15 AM (9XBK2)

 

What's with the either/or?  That Venn diagram has a lot of overlap.

127 it's in a lockbox! just like social security!!! omg!!! //// the ones who believed in "question authority" are now the authority....nothing to see here....move along..... Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 25, 2013 10:01 AM (8JJ6O) And they are far stupider and far more evil than those whom they questioned and protested in the past.

128

"Light it up."

 

I like it. Unapologetic.

129

I thought it was because commenters disagreed with her.

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Exactly.  That's what she meant by "poison this blog to death."  Disagreeing with her.

130 126 True.

131 Well, except for DC and it's environs, of course. I'm guessing the next president will institute Hunger Games for the amusement of the Capitol.

132 Instapundit has now enabled comments.

133
If you want to comment, you have to email her fucking poodle, Meade.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff




He's her husband, who she hooked up with when he was just another commenter on her blog.

Which just seems kinda bent.

134 Althouse is good three out of ten times.  The other seven times, however, she's     a fucking trainwreck of a feminist    scrunt with a pussywhipped hubby.   Fucking pass.

135 I've read her blog a few times, but not in a while. The impression I got was: it insists upon itself.

 

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 25, 2013 10:17 AM (8sCoq)

 

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You should check it out.  Now with 75% more insistence!

136 Tracing the pedigree of this enormous violation of the Constitution... 1. A bunch of visa overstayers hijack planes and slam them into buildings. 2. We then fight short targeted conflicts over pieces of the earth that have NEVER known long-term peace with deliberately small footprints and limited rules of engagement. Let's think for a moment how those two things lead in just a decade to snooping on everyone in just about every way to "mine" data and grant amnesty to visa overstayers or people who don't even have one in the first place. So, we're looking for a needle in a haystack and will devote no resources to actually screening the needles that were left over because we were too timid to kill them in the first place. Because both would violate basic human rights. That banging sound you hear is my head hitting the desk over and over and over.

137 >Anyone who labels themselves a "moderate" is either a leftist or a pussy.

Posted by: steevy at July 25, 2013 10:15 AM (9XBK2)

I agree. "Take a stand, motherf***er", I always think.

It's like when you read an article about some poll results, and there's always that 10% or so who 'don't know', or 'have no opinion'. WTF?

138 backhoe: "I thought lawyers- let alone 'perfessers' of Law- welcomed arguments. Silly me..."

The Socratic method goes one way. You will respect the path or you will shut up.

139 the toxicity came from commenters who meant to poison this blog to death It's a blog, Annie my sweet. Not a precious snowflake. Don't go hiring an undertaker or professional mourners. The toxicity came from her liberal followers. When it would be pointed out to them that they were "inncorrect & here's why", you would see 15 follow up posts of "unh-uh".

140 Ah good Ann Outhouse confirming with one post why I never bothered to get to know her...

Chaz Johnson has bigger tits and more intellectual honesty.

141 Holder going after Texas...  A third of the decade has gone by now with our district maps in a continuous state of flux.  I don't know and our reps don't know who is representing whom.  IMAO it amounts to taxation without representation.

142

And I was young and in good damn shape then.

Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 10:16 AM

 

 

To be fair, Vic, they were a lot clunkier when they were first invented

 

/lulz

143 "Two time Obama Voter Ann Althouse" Check your style book.

144 Posted by: Ed Anger at July 25, 2013 10:15 AM (tOkJB)


I am surprised you-tube only disabled comments and didn't trash the video. But ultimately, neither Kerry's signature not the video will mean anything.  The Senate will not ratify the treaty unless the Demonrats get a 67% majority.  But I guess that is possible if the Repukes vote in amnesty.

145 Remember  John Bolton  is on board with this.   That makes me step back from what appears to be a justified knee jerk reaction.   I am still trying to find out any instances where this would negatively effect anyone here personally except for the slippery slope boogey man.    My default  position is that this is an overreach that must be reigned in but again,  there are a lot of people in the know I respect who feel otherwise.   That gives me pause. 

146 Whenever I read Ann Althouse, I lose interest after thirty seconds.

147 Andy M sort of gets it but misses the massive risk in what he is saying. Look at the IRS behavior.Lois Lerner had contempt not just for the public but for the US Congress. We can argue all we like as to what sort of respect Congress is entitled to by civilians but not by employees of the Executive branch when called to account for their actions. The real information one should glean from her "testimony" was not her statement but the arrogance she displayed. It screamed " Not Accountable to you or anyone else" . And was correct. Does anyone think she will lose a pension? Does anyone think the person who leaked Christine O'Donnell's info is sweating it out right now? We had testimony in Congress about IRS  types shipping confidential data about conservative groups to their opposite numbers and yet we are told by investigators that they have yet to hear of any actual wrongdoing. Top men from the FBI are on it. It can only be a matter of time. or not. That's the IRS. Simple stuff, non-classified disclosures of confidential info. No sources and methods. No Top Secret data. In sum; one organization feels they can do whatever they like with impunity because they are simpatico with the current administration. Simple violations of the law. And bitchslap Congress when called on it. But if a highly classified organization decides to do the same thing they will hold themselves in abeyance because why?

148 And her photos are only marginally better than Ponytail's. "Ooh here's some weeds I saw on my walk today."

149 Hollywood Moonbat Bette Midler: Republicans Tried To “Ensure An Allied Loss” To Hitler In WWII… One really really sick bastard and ugly also

150 "Two time Obama Voter Ann Althouse" This. It's that first word that REALLY matters.

151 Holder going after Texas... A third of the decade has gone by now with our district maps in a continuous state of flux. I don't know and our reps don't know who is representing whom. IMAO it amounts to taxation without representation.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 25, 2013 10:20 AM (epxV4)

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Bingo.  Which is why I am glad our attorney general is running for governor.

152 We lost the War on Terrorism. It has become a self-licking ice cream cone of spending and surveillance. You want to live in a city? Accept the risks and don't whine like a pussy when a bomb goes off. But we did win the War on Poverty. The impoverished are tattooed fatasses who can afford luxuries that would have been unavailable to the riches Americans just 20 years ago.

153 Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2013 10:05 AM (VjL9S) Ha, I start reading a comment that I really agree with, and I get down to the tagline and it's you. I notice a pattern among commenters. They are like book authors. You find some authors you like, and generally their other work is always very good too.

154 What is he going to do, send federal troops in to stop our elections?

Seriously, if the state says "no, we are not racists and fuck you for profiling us" what could the feds do?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2013 10:15 AM (VjL9S)

I would not put that past them....

I could really see Holder doing something like that, maybe not troops, but federal agents..., sure.

155 What's with the either/or? That Venn diagram has a lot of overlap.

Posted by: steveegg at July 25, 2013 10:18 AM (o44nj)

No.  That Venn diagram is a circle.

156 Remember John Bolton is on board with this.That makes me step back from what appears to be a justified knee jerk reaction. I am still trying to find out any instances where this would negatively effect anyone here personally except for the slippery slope boogey man. My default position is that this is an overreach that must be reigned in but again, there are a lot of people in the knowI respect who feel otherwise. That gives me pause.

Posted by: polynikes at July 25, 2013 10:21 AM (m2CN7)

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I,    for one, am glad to accept an increased risk of being killed by a terrorist in return for   retaining my    personal freedom.  Recall Ben Franklin's famous quote.

157 Andy M sort of gets it but misses the massive risk in what he is saying. Look at the IRS behavior. This is basically the issue. The future of American politics is rule by gangster demagogues like Soetero. We can't give these assholes this kind of power anymore.

158 Funny, I thought lawyers- let alone "perfessers" of Law- welcomed arguments. Silly me.... Not perfessers. They stand up in front of their class & pustulate. No dissenting requested.

159 Holder going after Texas... A third of the decade has gone by now with our district maps in a continuous state of flux. I don't know and our reps don't know who is representing whom. IMAO it amounts to taxation without representation.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 25, 2013 10:20 AM (epxV4)

You didn't catch the news that TX immediately implemented those new districts after the Supremes shutdown the VRA that allowed corrupt Holder to do that shit?

160

"Remember John Bolton is on board with this.That makes me step back from what appears to be a justified knee jerk reaction."

 

JB has spent his life looking outward towards all of our external threats - and he's been dead-on about them.  But he and many others like him have a big blind spot domestically.

 

O balance, he's still The Man.  But he needs some religion on this matter.

161 No. That Venn diagram is a circle.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:25 AM (fwARV)

 

A circle is too encompassing.  That Venn diagram is a straight line.

162 I'm guessing the next president will institute Hunger Games for the amusement of the Capitol.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 25, 2013 10:18 AM (ojOys)

I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!

163 Chaz Johnson has bigger tits and more intellectual honesty.

...and a bicycle seat post so brightly polished they use it to guide supertankers through the shipping lanes at night.

164

No. That Venn diagram is a circle.

 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:25 AM (fwARV)

 

Point noted.

165 I, for one, am glad to accept an increased risk of being killed by a terrorist in return for retaining my personal freedom. Recall Ben Franklin's famous quote. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 25, 2013 10:25 AM (54/YX) Ben did not live in today's world. And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway.

166 "Two time Obama Voter Ann Althouse" Check your style book. "Dos time Obama Voter Ann Althouse"

167 145 Polynikes,

Gee...the Govt sure is accountable when it fucks up or gets nefarious with data....

ask COD how much fun it is, or Joe the Plumber comrade...

add in our health data and let the fun begin....

what part of "no means no" is so hard to understand?

I do not want the already proven untrustworthy partisan non-partisan civil service to have these ever expanding powers... it did not stop Tflashbang and Tspeedbump despite their basically open advocacy of Jihad.

168 But in the last months of comments, the toxicity came from commenters who meant to poison this blog to death. " Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:06 AM (CJjw5) "Moderate" is the chosen position between Harriet Tubman and Simon Legree. Standing aside and letting evil happen is nothing of which to be proud.

169

I'm guessing the next president will institute Hunger Games for the amusement of the Capitol.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 25, 2013 10:18 AM (ojOys)

I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!

 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (fwARV) 

 

lol!

170

A circle is too encompassing. That Venn diagram is a straight line.

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (4df7R)

 

Straight down?

171 TheDirty.com has unblocked Weiner's weener from the pics he sent. *That which is seen, can't be unseen.*

172 I, for one, am glad to accept an increased risk of being killed by a terrorist in return for retaining my personal freedom. Recall Ben Franklin's famous quote.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 25, 2013 10:25 AM (54/YX)

 

That's one of my points.  What  personal freedom of yours have you experienced  being taken away from you caused by this NSA metadata program?    And yes I do understand the slippery slope argument. 

173 And I was young and in good damn shape then. Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 10:16 AM To be fair, Vic, they were a lot clunkier when they were first invented Those stone wheels were a bitch!

174 I'm guessing the next president will institute Hunger Games for the amusement of the Capitol. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 25, 2013 10:18 AM (ojOys) I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE! Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (fwARV) May the odds be ever in your favour!

175 165 NGU,

Yup...and thank God the IRS takes it upon itself to vet the GOP candidates and tea party for us...

my Phone Company is not engaging in partisan hackery using the tax code and threat of jail...

Ogabe's Gestapo does.

176 Costco run has been postponed till after lunch. So you all can still get your lists up.

177

Ben did not live in today's world. And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway.

 

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (9Xc5j)

 

Your phone carrier records your calls for you?  Is it called Government Bell?

178 I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (9Xc5j)

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Your phone carrier is in business to keep you as a happy customer.  The government is in business to control your behavior, and extracts its revenue via threat of force.

179 Standing aside and letting evil happen is nothing of which to be proud.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 25, 2013 10:27 AM (bb5+k)

 

Althouse has twice voted for Obama.  She    isn't standing aside and letting evil happen;    she's helping it succeed.

180
May the odds be ever in your favour!

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 10:28 AM (GQ8sn)

You know, given the sad state and size of the beta male population, I think the odds actually would be in my favor...

Is that arrogant?

181

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 10:27 AM (LRFds)

 

Those things you mentioned are illegal now and have no connection to the NSA metadata program.  

182 Those stone wheels were a bitch! Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2013 10:28 AM (bpzkI) And it was before they figured out round was a much better design.

183 That's one of my points. What personal freedom of yours have you experienced being taken away from you caused by this NSA metadata program? It's not just metadata--that point is, at least by my reading of all evidence, false. You don't build storage facilities for zetabytes of data for metadata.

184 This program is ineffective against Muslims. Posted by: zsasz at July 25, 2013 10:09 AM (MMC8r) By design, I think. Political correctness is killing England and Europe.

185 Yup...and thank God the IRS takes it upon itself to vet the GOP candidates and tea party for us... my Phone Company is not engaging in partisan hackery using the tax code and threat of jail... Ogabe's Gestapo does. Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 10:28 AM (LRFds) I never mentioned the IRS. I think that is a whole other ball game. And don't confuse what the NSA does with what the IRS does or is suppose to do. 2 totally different arguments

186

Costco run has been postponed till after lunch.

So you all can still get your lists up. 

 

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Mayonnaise.  We have got to close the enema gap with Canada.

187 Very disappointed that bachmann voted with the big gov statists

188

"Ben did not live in today's world. And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway."

 

The phone company does not have the ability and (these days) an insatiable appetite for fucking  you with "information" they find unacceptable.  Your freedom will exist at their whim.  Enjoy!

189 Your phone carrier records your calls for you? Is it called Government Bell? Posted by: steveegg at July 25, 2013 10:28 AM (o44nj) The phone companies have a complete record who who you called and when which is basically what the NSA was doing, NOT recording all your phone calls.

190 And polynikes--if one notices that the freedom is gone...it's too late.

191 And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway. Change 'phone carrier' to 'doctor.'

192 181 Polynikes,

and your faith in the moral integrity of NSA vice partisan games rivals the Saint's faith in Christ.

193 And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (9Xc5j)

But the phone carrier doesn't have guns.

194 "poison the blog"? Good thing no one tries that here. Why, people might get hostile and go to some other blog, like HotAir or something.


(They know where you have been.)

195 181 Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 10:27 AM (LRFds) Those things you mentioned are illegal now and have no connection to the NSA metadata program. Posted by: polynikes at July 25, 2013 10:29 AM (m2CN7) .....and?

196 Mayonnaise. We have got to close the enema gap with Canada.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:30 AM (CJjw5)

 

*SHUDDER*  I just had a horrible mental image.  

 

Rachel Jeantel... doing a mayonnaise enema.

 

Someone mail that    to Althouse.   She deserves the visual.

197 You know, given the sad state and size of the beta male population, I think the odds actually would be in my favor... Is that arrogant? Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:29 AM (fwARV) Well, then it should be a cakewalk. The most resistance you'll face should be the initial cornucopia where the small, malnourished hipster fags get slaughtered first after spying the bricks of fresh tofu and sprouts sitting on a table. Go for the Twinkies and beef jerky first!!!

198 Remember John Bolton is on board with this.That makes me step back from what appears to be a justified knee jerk reaction. I am still trying to find out any instances where this would negatively effect anyone here personally except for the slippery slope boogey man. My default position is that this is an overreach that must be reigned in but again, there are a lot of people in the knowI respect who feel otherwise. That gives me pause. Posted by: polynikes at July 25, 2013 10:21 AM (m2CN7) You want examples of how this will negatively affect me personally? Okay. I will give you one. I was asked by someone that the Horde would recognize to provide commentary for a new venture. I flatly refused. Why? Because I'm a fucking coward who will not have my RL identity be exposed. You want a chilling effect? There it is. I will not have my family be attacked, my employer be attacked, my friends be attacked. Given the NSA snooping and the IRS snooping and all the EPA release of information and the like, I do, in fact, presume that should I begin to participate in a more public forum then this, then it is probable, not possible, that my life will be put on display and that all that is near and dear to me will have the ravening mob set upon them. I will not do that. Because I am afraid. I am afraid because I have reason to be afraid. As far as John Bolton, see my discussion of McCarthy above. Of course he wants this. Of course he does. Of course it will make national security snooping easier. No fucking shit he wants this. I would be shocked if he didn't.

199 It is for a common cause. Axe your children

200 NOT recording all your phone calls. Prove it. Ooops. Can't.

201 The phone company does not have the ability and (these days) an insatiable appetite for fucking you with "information" they find unacceptable. Your freedom will exist at their whim. Enjoy! Posted by: Jaws at July 25, 2013 10:31 AM (4I3Uo) Your confusing different arguments.

202 The stupid Democrats were more in favor of this than the GOP. What a messed up country we have.

203 Re EOJ's comments
Althouse got those comments because she went after Dr. Helen's opinion that females that defraud men by cuckolding them and getting pregnant should be held accountable by the legal system.  Even Glen Reynolds (aka Instapundit) got involved defending his wife, Dr. Helen.  Althouse got catty and Glen instalanched the exchange. Guess who shut down comments asap.

204 NOT recording all your phone calls. Prove it. Ooops. Can't. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 25, 2013 10:32 AM (659DL) And you can't prove that are. As a matter of fact we don't really know what they are doing.

205

You know, given the sad state and size of the beta male population, I think the odds actually would be in my favor...

Is that arrogant?

 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:29 AM (fwARV)

 

 

The correct terminology is "theta male," thank you.   Leftist douchebags do not even have enough testosterone to qualify for beta status. 

206 OK, I see what you were talking about with Holder at TX.  He is trying to implement the "pre-approval" process of the VRA via a court order despite the fact that the Supremes have shut it down.


And he is doing it with OUR damn TAX money.  If only the courts would hold him personally responsible for all the legal costs.


The court should throw this out with prejudice and disbar this crooked SOB.

http://tinyurl.com/q63hdpm

207 You know, given the sad state and size of the beta male population, I think the odds actually would be in my favor... Is that arrogant? Well, it's two people per district. The closest thing we have as a reference is the Senate. Watch out for Elizabeth Warren if she gets a tomahawk.

208 But the phone carrier doesn't have guns. The Phone Cops do!

209 NGU, you seriously cannot see how it can be dangerous for the gov't to have such info?


Ok....

210 when the guy who wrote the bill is concerned with how the now law is being interpreted.......i'm very concerned......

211 As a matter of fact we don't really know what they are doing. And somehow, some take great comfort in that.

212 The phone companies have a complete record who who you called and when which is basically what the NSA was doing, NOT recording all your phone calls.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:31 AM (9Xc5j)

 

The NSA has only admitted that they have the metadata.  That metadata, even collected worldwide, doesn't require even a tenth of the storage capacity of their Utah data storage center.

213 > I, for one, am glad to accept an increased risk of being killed by a terrorist in return for retaining my personal freedom. Recall Ben Franklin's famous quote.

The odds of being killed by a terrorist over a  five year period are about 1 in 20 million. You're 20 times more likely to die as a pedestrian hit by a vehicle.

214

I was asked by someone that the Horde would recognize to provide commentary for a new venture.

 

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Pamela Gellar?

215 I think the vote failed because of the specific wording involved.  From what I've read it would have created a chicken/egg situation, allowing monitoring only if someone was actively under investigation first.

If monitoring is precluded from  generating an initial lead hit, then that "actively under investigation" condition would have had to come from other sources.  If those exist, then getting a warrant to tap everything of the subject's wouldn't be hard and generic monitoring isn't needed.

Basically, as I understand it, the language of the bill would have made the NSA's collected data worthless as a mechanism to generate initial leads from traffic analysis (i.e. metadata), and made it harder to use for widening a net once you had an initial lead from elsewhere.

The use of "traffic analysis" for generating intel in NSA surveillance is a notion that goes back over  60 years to the 1955  US/UK agreement between USCIB and LSIB.

I've been preparing a lengthy post that unpacks that recently declassified US/UK agreement paragraph by paragraph, with observations, commentary, and some speculation based on what might be reasonably assumed an updated 2013 version might look like.

Lotta work transcribing photocopied PDF text and formatting for HTML though.  Might be ready some time next week

216 Chaz Johnson has bigger tits and more intellectual honesty. Damn right I have intellectual honesty. That's why I broke with the right, they deceived me. For 8 years, they deceived me. I mean, how was I supposed to know that conservatives supported lower taxes, leaner government and less intrusion in people's lives? I was deceived, deceived I tell you!

217 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (9Xc5j)

How will you feel when the NSA data is shared with the DNC, and perfectly targeted propaganda materials are used to control the political process in this country?

218 And you can't prove that are. As a matter of fact we don't really know what they are doing. That should be a warning signal.

219 Watch out for Elizabeth Warren if she gets a tomahawk.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 25, 2013 10:33 AM (ojOys)

Thankfully she's a fake indian.  Tomahawk or no, I'm willing to bet her CQB skills are as good as she is honest.

220 As a matter of fact we don't really know what they are doing.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:33 AM (9Xc5j)

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Scary.

221 vic holder has one goal......get whitey....

222 185 NGU,

ah yes b/c NSA of course is inhabited by innately more moral and integrity driven individuals...

no sorry no dice Ogabe cured me of my barely held in check deference to the civil service's moral and ethical values under the Bush era.

They simply have too much power lock stock and barrel.

Even if the NSA was legitimately focused on terror the Ogabe DoJ would ignore it unless it was white and GOP...

no dice Bwoston Stwong cured me....NSA is if anything acting as a political opponent network mapper not as an opfor inhibitor.

223 "Ben did not live in today's world. And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway." Wow! I didn't know your phone carrier can shoot you, jail you, send the FBI to investigate you, send OSHA and the EPA and the ATF after you, audit you and/or haul you in for questioning on national security matters at its whim. I hope you're getting a helluva deal on your monthly plan.

224
And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Change 'phone carrier' to 'doctor.'
Posted by: zsasz





Change 'doctor' to 'gun dealer.'

225 I read the amendment and analysis. I'm sorry it didn't pass but glad Chaffetz voted for it.

226 *I am not, nor have I ever been an Althouse fan or reader. I only twigged to her latest stupidity through an Instapundit link. She's doing a "soft CJ," but on her entire readership. If you want to comment, you have to email her fucking poodle, Meade. He will then pass on (or create) the most glowing and complimentary emails so she can post them and admire herself. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:14 AM (CJjw5) I never liked her, and only read her at all because Glenn Reynolds KEEPS posting blind links that don't give any indication that he sending HER traffic. If I had some way of knowing that the destination of a link was her, I would not click on it. She voted for Obama. That is all the information anyone needs to determine her judgement is faulty and unworthy of consideration.

227 Oh and number three has achieved troll status. Congratulations! Pick up your winnings at the nearest OFA office.

228 As far as John Bolton, see my discussion of McCarthy above. Of course he wants this. Of course he does. Of course it will make national security snooping easier. No fucking shit he wants this. I would be shocked if he didn't. yeah though in Bolton's case he's not only serious about security he actually is willing to admit what islam is and the threat it possess. The first thing DHS did under obama was make the terrorists in all their training material middle aged white guys. And since this country has a habit of electing groups of unserious people or people easily swayed by PC dogma (constant refrain of religion of peace by Bush and Co.) the only sensible thing to do is dismantle this whole fucking security regime.

229

"Your confusing different arguments."

 

Enlighten me.  Please  include details on how much you trust the angels of the Federal Government's better nature.

230 The odds of being killed by a terrorist over a five year period are about 1 in 20 million. You're 20 times more likely to die as a pedestrian hit by a vehicle.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at July 25, 2013 10:34 AM (ZWvOb)

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Yet, a majority of    our representatives are all too happy to spy on us in order    to prevent that 1 in 20 million.  I'm glad we have so much money to throw    away.

231 That's right team....accept the surveillance uber alles state after all we do not KNOW they are up to no good...

except...

we are supposed to have oversight through our elected officials over all this.

*bzzzzzT*

I fucked up, I trusted them for too long under Bush...

no more super state period.

232 Althouse got catty and Glen instalanched the exchange. Guess who shut down comments asap. I tried to instalanche on a phone call to a fan, but it was over in half a minute. BTW, anyone have Helen Smith's number?

233 NGU, you seriously cannot see how it can be dangerous for the gov't to have such info? Ok.... Posted by: KG at July 25, 2013 10:33 AM (p7BzH) All I am saying is that the NSA has probably been doing this and more for the last 25 years. That is their mandate to collect information. How they use it is a different matter. I am not sure why people are getting so upset about it now. Is because who is sitting in the White House? Well that concern I share, but lets not act like 16 year old virgins and act like this stuff has not been going on for ever.

234

 Althouse got catty and Glen instalanched the exchange. Guess who shut down comments asap.

 

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Yeah, that's  when I started paying attention.  "Don't be a Spooge Stooge."  What an ignorant c*nt.  I guarantee you Meade pees sitting down.

 

Insty still links her, though.  Of course, I'm not a huge fan of his, either.  Posting a hyperlinked headline and appending "Indeed" is  not my idea of scintillating commentary.

235 Very disappointed that bachmann voted with the big gov statists Posted by: Rd at July 25, 2013 10:30 AM (4kORw) Bachmann got behind Romney when she exited. This idea of the perfectly pure 100% true conservative who won't piss us off on anything is getting dangerously silly. It doesn't exist, what we can hope for are conservatives who govern as such and when they eff up we give them the smack on the face with the newspaper. Unfortunately their "aw-shits" get elevated to OMGRINO status at a ridiculous frequency so we end up with an irritated and depressed base, decent candidates destroying each other...and a truly RINO candidate. This is how we will end up with Cruz, Paul, Walker and a half dozen other great candidates destroying each other (and yes, Cruz will inevitably say SOMETHING that irritates somebody and gets him the OMGRINO declaration) in 2016 and giving us Republican candidate Christie.

236 > Pamela Gellar?

Stompy boots and Pam's bounteous melons at the same time?  I'd have swelling lasting more than 4 hours.

237 'Metadata' of cellphones also would collect information on your movements (what towers you ping whether you're calling or not) and associations (who you talk to, when, and how long). And it's conveniently pre-collected should you become someone our betters feel is in need of scrutiny.

238

Time to take it back...

 

Especially when a Democrat is president.  Are Dems worse - yes, they are, but the real problem is that the power of the press to hold government accountable basically goes away when someone they find attractive is in power.  The public watchdog role of the press is a lie.

239 How will you feel when the NSA data is shared with the DNC, and perfectly targeted propaganda materials are used to control the political process in this country?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2013 10:34 AM (gqgiP)

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What do you mean when?  See the 2012 election.

240 And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway. Posted by: Nevergiveup Change 'phone carrier' to 'doctor.' Posted by: zsasz Change 'doctor' to 'gun dealer.' Change "government" to "Eric Holder and Valerie Jarret."

241 145 Remember John Bolton is on board with this.That makes me step back from what appears to be a justified knee jerk reaction. I am still trying to find out any instances where this would negatively effect anyone here personally except for the slippery slope boogey man. My default position is that this is an overreach that must be reigned in but again, there are a lot of people in the knowI respect who feel otherwise. That gives me pause. Posted by: polynikes at July 25, 2013 10:21 AM (m2CN7)

242 the NSA has probably been doing this and more for the last 25 years.

Add another 30 years to that number and you'll be close.

243 "Indeed" is not my idea of scintillating commentary. It's all I can manage in thirty seconds.

244 Dammit. Barrel?

245

Folks, it doesn't matter how     the NSA   collects     information    or what exactly    is collected.       That is immaterial.   The problem is how all of that information    and access    COULD BE USED.  And when I say "could be" I mean "will be,"     because     cynicism is the only lens through which one can accurately view humanity as a whole. 

 

246 Insty still links her, though. Of course, I'm not a huge fan of his, either. Posting a hyperlinked headline and appending "Indeed" is not my idea of scintillating commentary. To be fair, he saves his commentary for the papers and links it. He likes to keep his blog busy with links instead of movie review type posts.

247

>>I never liked her, and only read her at all because Glenn Reynolds KEEPS posting blind links that don't give any indication that he sending HER traffic.

 

Yeh, on the PC, I can put the cursor over the link and see where it goes, but not on the Kindle Fire or my phone. I really didn't like how much he linked to her, esp. when she was just quoting somebody else and maybe adding a sentence or two.

 

>>Althouse got catty and Glen instalanched the exchange

 

Well, that problem is solved!

248 I'm a political moderate.

You're a hysterical puddinghead who masks "political analysis" based on pure emotion behind a fifty-foot wall of hand-waving and bullshit, Ann.

249 I guarantee you Meade pees sitting down. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:38 AM (CJjw5) Moar of this please.

250 One of the defining features about communication path analysis was that we used it against ENEMIES such as Japan during WWII.  See Adm. Layton's book, I Was There for a really good read on Washington's political bullshit games and how it affected naval wartime intelligence . 

Sure that a similar book exists on how the Allies used traffic analysis in Western Europe via Ultra intercepts but haven't run across it. 

NOTE: to the NSA, the American public is now an enemy to be watched.  Heck, the American people are an easier target anyway than some uptight regime like Iran or Russia. 

251 Without comments why would you bother reading it? I no longer read "news" sites that do not have comments sections. Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2013 10:15 AM (bpzkI) You can't AVOID reading it. Like I said, Glenn Reynolds keeps posting blind links, and it is my opinion that he does this INTENTIONALLY to drive traffic to his "moderate" little buddy law Professor. I have always resented her getting traffic from me, but Instapundit keeps doing it.

252 I guarantee you Meade pees sitting down. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:38 AM (CJjw5) Moar of this please. Posted by: CAC at July 25, 2013 10:41 AM (JEXtx) He pees sitting and still has to wipe it.

253

None of the women in my life know how to, like to, or want to cook a rare steak. Furthermore, they all (with the exception of my wife) nag at me about eating anything cooked less than Well Done, Because Health.

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Then they are ignorant Philistines  and can safely be ignored.  As a former food service professional,  I assure you that there is no danger in eating a rare steak.  It is ground beef that poses a  potential danger when cooked to less than medium doneness.

254 Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at July 25, 2013 10:39 AM (ZWvOb)

My bet is that she is also bat-shit crazy.

255 Michelle just gave a speech in which she said that NSA is NOT listening in on our phone calls or reading our emails.

1. She knows this how?
2. If she knows this,  why is she being given top secret information?
3. This is a policy statement and again,  I say she is running.

256 The problem is how all of that information and access COULD BE USED

As far back as 1955, previously classified US/UK agreement allowed for commercial exploitation as long as the US and UK kept each other informed about whatever their commercial exploitation is.

This is something I expand on in my upcoming declassified NSA document post.

257 As a former food service professional, I assure you that there is no danger in eating a rare steak. "Hey Jeff, this three quarters-eaten meal came out all wrong. What are you going to do about it?"

258
" "Indeed" is not my idea of scintillating commentary."




"Indeed"

"Amazon-link"

"Heh"

259 Someone mail that to Althouse. She deserves the visual.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 25, 2013 10:31 AM (4df7R)

 

But we sure as hell didn't.  I'm going to puke all over my keyboard now...

260 CAC, the problem isn't that they "say something" we don't like.  Its the jumping on Democrat trains to vote with them on shit like amnesty.


That is one of my three big issues.  You jump on that train and you are instant RINO in my book regardless of the rest of the shit.  Gun Control and Global Warming are the other two.  Taxes may eek up there on the list shortly.

261

"This is how we will end up with Cruz, Paul, Walker and a half dozen other great candidates destroying each other (and yes, Cruz will inevitably say SOMETHING that irritates somebody and gets him the OMGRINO declaration) in 2016 and giving us Republican candidate Christie."

 

This is Truth. 

 

Someone needs to come up with a  formula that can  differentiate between " minor  philosophical disagreements" and going "Full-Rubi- er ...um Retard" so Morons like us won't get so confused and start throwing feces.

262

@EoJ

 

Let me get this straight.

She turned off her comments, and is celebrating because she got readers back, who in the past were so mortally offended by said comments they had stopped reading the site in it's entirety. (Rather than just not click on the comments section.)

I suppose as long as traffic stays high, it doesn't matter much.  But I find it hard to believe she's so smart that she's carrying the blog. (Not because I hate hear, in fact I'm not sue I've ever read a single thing she's written, which is kinda the point isn't it, if it were less about her than the commenters, I'd have read something by her.)

263 "It is ground beef that poses a potential danger when cooked to less than medium doneness."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:42 AM (CJjw5)

I grind my own, and that decreases the risk to close to zero.

God said steak should be eaten rare, and burgers are to be eaten medium-rare.

264 Then they are ignorant Philistines and can safely be ignored. As a former food service professional, I assure you that there is no danger in eating a rare steak. It is ground beef that poses a potential danger when cooked to less than medium doneness. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:42 AM (CJjw5) Do you know why? That's an actual question, not me being snotty or trying to set up some snark. I've read that before and I don't remember ever reading why that was.

265

>>It is ground beef that poses a potential danger when cooked to less than medium doneness.

 

So if I'd bought steaks Sunday for about the same price as 5 take out burgers from SmashBurgers, I could have had a rare steak and not have my insides trying to kill me on Monday morning?

 

Good thing I learn from my mistakes.

266 If we had a benign government, the conversation about surveillance might be different. Since we are living in an authoritarian, statist, lawless monarchy I gotta go with freedom over security. We're in the shit now.

267 "Two time Obama Voter Ann Althouse" Check your style book. Posted by: zsasz at July 25, 2013 10:20 AM (MMC8r) I am not interested in hearing a fucking thing she has to say about anything.

268 #242  I am operating under the assumption that Bolton,  Cheney and others are supporting NSA as it operated during the Bush administration.  I would not be surprised to find out that a Snowden type who is an Obamabot is mining data for blackmail material on the GOP,  perhaps even without the knowledge of supervisors.

I think some additional privacy precautions should be instituted.

269 to vote with them on shit like amnesty. That is one of my three big issues. You jump on that train and you are instant RINO in my book regardless of the rest of the shit. Gun Control and Global Warming are the other two. Taxes may eek up there on the list shortly. Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 10:43 AM (lZvxr) Actions versus words. Anyone can promise to do great, if they vote (as a legislator) or sign (as a governor/President) this shit, it negates their promises. There are a few candidates who have SAID dumb things without actually doing them, and likely because they got blowback. The blowback should be enough. Its when they keep going I agree with you. Rubio shit the bed for a thousand years.

270 Gather the foreskins, oh ye people

271

227 If I had some way of knowing that the destination of a link was her, I would not click on it.

 

Your browser doesn't display the destination of a link at the bottom of the window when you hover over it?

 

272
Spying on every citizen, Secret Courts.... yeah, these are the type of things the founders were all for.

273 76 Aaaannnd... finally dumpy-assed narcissist Ann Althouse discloses why she really closed comments:
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Because she was losing.

It's that simple.

Liberalism and their handmaids, the moderate, have no intellectual force behind it.

She has been long accustomed to beating back any challenge--not through intellectual debate but through brute force--the brute force of authority.

Sure, she'll lie and say: "I have students who challenge me all the time! I can handle the debate!"

No you can't.

Or you'd be in private practice--a trial lawyer where every day, at the least your equal--maybe your better--is putting his/her full effort into exposing your mistakes and flaws. And you have to counter, anticipate and all the while massage the ego of the judge and jury.

That's why you are a professor: Because the "debate" is less than an hour, you control the floor and everyone knows behind the curtain you control their grade.

274 265 Muscle meat is completely safe,ground beef may contain other cuts.

275

"Hey Jeff, this three quarters-eaten meal came out all wrong. What are you going to do about it?"

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Bring you  your bill stapled to a flyer for  someone else's restaurant. 

 

"There  is an entire world of gustatory pleasure out there, waiting to be discovered.  Get to exploring somewhere else, shitneck."

276 f I had some way of knowing that the destination of a link was her, I would not click on it. Your browser doesn't display the destination of a link at the bottom of the window when you hover over it? Posted by: Anachronda at July 25, 2013 10:46 AM (IrbU4) Those of you on ipads or such, you have to hold your finger on the link for a second and then a small window pops up with the destination URL with the choice to open it or cancel.

277 SPEAKING of recorded phone calls

Byron York just tweeted about a phone conversation between JFK and his Air Force aide- a general- chewing the guy's ass for spending $5,000 on a special hospital room near Hyannis Port for when Jackie would go into labor

this is priceless

http://t.co/lkY4cxjvcR

278 I was thinking about jumping in to this on Althouse's side just to stir up some shit, but I don't think I could pull off a convincing argument.

279 Ha. Getting feedback from the two folks I sent the Zimmerman test to yesterday. Overwhelmingly their answers are no. And another AA gal wants me to send it to her.

280 Nothing wrong with no cause stop and frisks either if you aren't a criminal apparently. SMH

281 Someone needs to come up with a formula that can differentiatebetween "minor philosophical disagreements" and going "Full-Rubi- er ...um Retard" so Morons like us won't get so confused and start throwing feces. Posted by: Jaws at July 25, 2013 10:45 AM (4I3Uo


I did that long ago based on ACU rating and selected issues.

> 95 is a solid conservative, would take a major line cross (Rubio and Democrat amnesty bill that gives away the farm)
90-95 Maybe conservative have to look at votes on the big issues
85-90 Hitting RINO territory
< 85 RINO
<50 Diablo

282 It doesn't matter what the Constitution says. Not enough people know, care about, or like what it says for it to matter anymore.

283 Ha. Getting feedback from the two folks I sent the Zimmerman test to yesterday. Overwhelmingly their answers are no. And another AA gal wants me to send it to her. Posted by: RWC at July 25, 2013 10:48 AM (fWAjv) What's the question?

284 REP: AYES 94 (40.17%) NOES 134 (57.26%) NV 6 (0.026%) = 234

DEM: AYES 111 (55.50%) NOES 83  (41.50%) NV 6 (3.00%) = 200

TOTAL: AYES 205 (47.24%) NOES 217 (50.00%) NV 12 (0.027%) = 434

285 Ben did not live in today's world. And I don't see my personal freedoms being all that intruded upon when the gov simply has the information my phone carrier has anyway. Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:26 AM (9Xc5j) How about the information your doctor has?

286 Then they are ignorant Philistines and can safely be ignored. As a former food service professional, I assure you that there is no danger in eating a rare steak. It is ground beef that poses a potential danger when cooked to less than medium doneness.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:42 AM (CJjw5)


Do you know why? That's an actual question, not me being snotty or trying to set up some snark. I've read that before and I don't remember ever reading why that was.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:45 AM (VtjlW)

 

I believe it's becuase the potentially harmful bacteria reside only the surface of the meat, and are quickly destroyed when exposed to heat.  When you grind it up, you mix the bacteria into the meat, and have to heat it up more to be sure you kill the bacteria.  EOJ, is that about right?

287 Do you know why? That's an actual question, not me being snotty or trying to set up some snark. I've read that before and I don't remember ever reading why that was.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:45 AM (VtjlW)

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Solid meat is isolated from microbes, except on the surface, while ground meat is exposed throughout.

288 Pete Rose on the Herd says if baseball would let him back he could restore some "Integrity" to the game???? Hey Pete you might have gotten a raw deal, maybe not, but "integrity", gee Pete give me a break

289 Someone needs to come up with a formula that can differentiatebetween "minor philosophical disagreements" and going "Full-Rubi- er ...um Retard" so Morons like us won't get so confused and start throwing feces. Posted by: Jaws at July 25, 2013 10:45 AM (4I3Uo) I propose actions versus words. Words, whether a "I propose" or "I agree with" or "somebody should X" mean absolutely nothing. How they voted on bills. What they successfully signed into law. How many liberal heads (if any) they've stuck onto pikes. Anyone can say nice things but if their voting record or legislation say the opposite, you have a dirty dog.

290

Damn work  gets in the way of responding timely.   And yes surveillance by my HR department of my internet activity is presently the only surveillance I'm worried about now.

 

 

And polynikes--if one notices that the freedom is gone...it's too late.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 25, 2013 10:31 AM (659DL)

 

I'll notice.  Our 'freedoms'  have been directly violated much more in the past and when I say our I mean normal citizens who had files created on them because of six degrees of associations.   I still believe that oversight  is required but I'm not convinced that  the NSA program  is doing harm to our individual freedoms as  expressed here. 

291 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:45 AM (VtjlW)

Any surface contamination on a steak is destroyed by the cooking process, and bacteria cannot penetrate far enough into the steak to survive the heat of cooking.

Grinding beef mixes the surface contamination throughout, so the entire burger should be cooked to a safe temperature.

This can be minimized by grinding your own burger meat, or buying from stores that grind their own meat fresh every day.

292

>>Those of you on ipads or such, you have to hold your finger on the link for a second and then a small window pops up with the destination URL with the choice to open it or cancel.

 

Works on the Fire!

 

Thank you, that is very helpful.

293 How did we get from NSA surveillance to e. coli contamination of meat ?

Are the deflection trolls back at work, changing the subject? Or is this just a natural path a normal conversation takes, from national security issues to contaminated food supplies to ass jokes?

294 What's the question?

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 10:49 AM (GQ8sn)

Are you a tits man or an ass man?

295 How about the information your doctor has? Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 25, 2013 10:49 AM (bb5+k) You guys keep mixing every argument together into some kinda soup that is a take it or leave it 100% argument? They are all separate arguments. Anyway the Gov already has all my medical records

296 293 >>Those of you on ipads or such, you have to hold your finger on the link for a second and then a small window pops up with the destination URL with the choice to open it or cancel. Works on the Fire! Thank you, that is very helpful. Posted by: Mama AJ at July 25, 2013 10:50 AM (SUKHu) You are very welcome!

297 I goofed with the decimal on the "NV" (Not Voting) above... Should be 2 places to the right...

298 Are you a tits man or an ass man? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2013 10:51 AM (gqgiP) Ass man. Does that explain anything?

299 They are all separate arguments. Anyway the Gov already has all my medical records

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:51 AM (9Xc5j)

 

With EHR, they're going to have all our medical records.

300 3. This is a policy statement and again, I say she is running. I'm not saying she isn't, but I don't see her doing as well as her failure of a husband is polling right now. Of course, they've always got the fallback of election theft like last time.

301 Althouse has twice voted for Obama. She isn't standing aside and letting evil happen; she's helping it succeed. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 25, 2013 10:29 AM (4df7R) I have no use for her or her opinions, if Glenn Reynolds didn't trick me into going there, I never would. Stop it Glenn.

302 What's the question? Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 10:49 AM (GQ8sn) Are you a tits man or an ass man? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2013 10:51 AM (gqgiP) RWC got a "no". So...leg man? But, tits or ass? Yes!

303
ground beef

I've read that before and I don't remember ever reading why that was.
Posted by: alexthechick




Ground meat has more surface area for bacteria to breed on.

And when you cook a steak, the surfaces that could have bacteria on them get seared. While inside a hamburger the critters just go for a swim in a warm meaty soup and breed.

304 Ground beef is always riskier because the outside of the cut is mixed up with the interior, that gives bacteria a nice place internally to breed that can't be washed off.

305 With EHR, they're going to have all our medical records. Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2013 10:52 AM (DrWcr) hey I am not in favor of either EHR or obamacare

306 I want to see a Venn Diagram People who eat raw fish People who freak out over rare steak I suspect a very, very large overlap.

307 Are the deflection trolls back at work, changing the subject? Or is this just a natural path a normal conversation takes, from national security issues to contaminated food supplies to ass jokes?

Posted by: Hiding from the NSA at July 25, 2013 10:51 AM (Zk0mj)

 

This is the HQ.  Anything can happen.

308 I never mentioned the IRS. I think that is a whole other ball game. And don't confuse what the NSA does with what the IRS does or is suppose to do. 2 totally different arguments Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:30 AM (9Xc5j) Perhaps for now, but how long do you expect that to last?

309 gee Pete give me a break

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:49 AM (9Xc5j)

Major League baseball is well and truly fucked when Pete Rose presents himself as a paragon of integrity.

310 Do you know why? That's an actual question, not me being snotty or trying to set up some snark. I've read that before and I don't remember ever reading why that was.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:45 AM (VtjlW)

 

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Bacteria  grow on meat from the outside, in.  So whatever bacteria  are on the outside of your steak will be killed when you sear it.  The inside of the steak is protected, as long as no one was poking holes all through it. 

 

When grinding meat for hamburger, salisbury steak, steak tartare, etc.  any potential bacteria on the surface gets mixed around and distributed throughout the finished product.  Cook to an internal temp of 160 degrees F and you're good to go. That's about medium doneness.

311 Unfortunately their "aw-shits" get elevated to OMGRINO status at a ridiculous frequency so we end up with an irritated and depressed base, decent candidates destroying each other...and a truly RINO candidate.

This is how we will end up with Cruz, Paul, Walker and a half dozen other great candidates destroying each other (and yes, Cruz will inevitably say SOMETHING that irritates somebody and gets him the OMGRINO declaration) in 2016 and giving us Republican candidate Christie. Posted by: CAC at July 25, 2013 10:38 AM

I'm not sure what you're saying here, CAC. Are you suggesting we should look the other way when a "conservative" goes all Rubio on us, because they claim to be conservative?

Is the way to regain power acquiescing in the abuse of power?

I'd say that's the way to finish up the destruction of our country.

At this point, I'm all for backing those who act as if the Constitution represents controlling authority, and brutally punishing those who attempt to subvert it.

What I am NOT for is giving a pass to any Republican candidate or elected official who goes all John McCain on us. That is inexcusable.

312

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:45 AM (VtjlW)

 

If my Alton brown is remembered correctly, it has to do with the proximity to the gut and processing.

If any accidental "gut stuff" (which contains e. coli) gets on your steak it stays on the surface and seared (and the bacteria killed)

But in ground beef it may have been incorporated anywhere in the final product, (requiring the cooking to completion.)

One of the fancy meat companies (I think it's Omaha Steaks) has been selling irradiated ground beef (which kills the bacteria without cooking the meat) so you could (in theory) eat a rare burger.

Me, I still like media rare on my steak no matter what our resident arugula expert says .

313

Good mornin', unpeople.

 

I'd like to quote whoever it was that held up his cell phone in   one of those   investigational-type committees and asked, "Where is the probable cause to collect any  information from my personal phone?"    IIRC, that question was never answered.

 

What is sickening is that we already know who is most likely to carry out a terrorist attack: the overwhelming stats   show that they're muzzies. But our betters refuse to profile them because PC or racism or some other bullshit  excuse, which   contradicts the law enforcement  angle that  they themselves have committed to.  In essence, they're aiding   our enemies and reducing our freedom, just as  our enemies want them  to do.

 

This WOT  is being lost because of spineless politicians with security details who, as a result   of  their  station, rarely need to worry about being targeted. Hence, they simplistically   think that our enemies just need a hug and they'll leave us alone.

 

If we really wanted to stop these attacks, we'd start treating terrorists as  the rabid animals they are and put them out of our misery. Then, maybe we   could start being free citizens again and carry on  our daily lives without being spied on or groped in the airports for no good reason.

314 Well, never mind, slow-ass fingers.

315 With EHR, they're going to have all our medical records.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2013 10:52 AM (DrWcr)

hey I am not in favor of either EHR or obamacare

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:52 AM (9Xc5j)

 

Me neither, but that's what we've got rammed down our throats.

316 You guys keep mixing every argument together into some kinda soup that is a take it or leave it 100% argument? They are all separate arguments. Anyway the Gov already has all my medical records

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:51 AM (9Xc5j)

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You can't seriously believe that the partisans in the IRS, NSA, EPA and DOJ don't coordinate.

317 One bright spot, politically, is that Obama had more D defectors on the final vote than did Boehner. Of course the Stupid Party won't take advantage of that.

318 I suspect a very, very large overlap.

Posted by: CAC at July 25, 2013 10:53 AM (JEXtx)

I eat raw fish and rare steak (and rare burgers).

But I also eat arugula, which has wonderful anti-bacterial properties.

319 287-
I believe it's becuase the potentially harmful bacteria reside only the surface of the meat, and are quickly destroyed when exposed to heat. When you grind it up, you mix the bacteria into the meat, and have to heat it up more to be sure you kill the bacteria. EOJ, is that about right?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 25, 2013 10:49 AM (DrWcr) 

It's about cowshit. Bad, unsanitary slaughtering practices will cause cowshit to be ground up with the meat when hamburger is produced, and voila- e. coli. Not so much a steak or roast, whatever. If you are worried, rinse the surface of the steak. And don't buy it from China.

320 Bacteria grow on meat from the outside, in. So whatever bacteria are on the outside of your steak will be killed when you sear it. The inside of the steak is protected, as long as no one was poking holes all through it. "I want you to comp me this meal that I've already mostly eaten, dammit!"

321 Posted by: MrScribbler at July 25, 2013 10:53 AM (/RIVS) Nobody should ever go full Rubio.

322 Even under the cover of internet anonymity, Anthony Weiner can't disguise the fact that he's a pencil-necked dork.

We need this guy to head the NSA.

323 163
...
Please take a look at it and tell me -- is this the kind of stuff we should discourage to avoid "controversy" or do we need to man up and push more of it into the Left's face?

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 25, 2013 10:15 AM (tOkJB)

I'm personally going full-blown Swordfish/Untouchables with these guys. Push hard, laugh at their outrage, then push harder and try to make the veins in their face burst.

My latest is borrowed heavily from the "new prince" thread. Tell anyone who brings it up that the new prince of GB is named for GWB.

324

>>>>None of the women in my life know how to, like to, or want to cook a rare steak

 

Heat a cast iron pan to red. Drop in steak. Flip. Take it out.

325 I'm a 'bucket o' chicken' man.

Breasts, legs, thighs...

326 117 Anyone who labels themselves a "moderate" is either a leftist or a pussy.

Posted by: steevy at July 25, 2013 10:15 AM (9XBK2)

 

 

 

Both with a little schizo thrown in.

327 If you didn't know, the "unreasonable searches and seizures" had little to do with protecting the Founders privacy--that was ancillary.

The whole point was, they had just thrown of the shackles of a tyrant. A tyrant whose agents use any pretext to arrest and imprison. A tyrant whose agents had no moral restraint. A tyrant whose agents would plant evidence, lie and do whatever was necessary to justify the arrest.

And that is where we are: The government that can invade your privacy--your home, your work, your digital life--without you knowing has more than enough power to put your fingerprints on any evidence they want to justify the arrest.

328

"I propose actions versus words.
Words, whether a "I propose" or "I agree with" or "somebody should X" mean absolutely nothing.

How they voted on bills. What they successfully signed into law. How many liberal heads (if any) they've stuck onto pikes.

Anyone can say nice things but if their voting record or legislation say the opposite, you have a dirty dog."

 

The problem with this and doing it accurately is just how dirtied-up every piece of legislation is.  A bill can sound good on the surface and also contain a metric shit ton of pork, aid to the Norks, money to Planned Parenthood, and Get Out of Jail Free cards for elected criminals.  How the ACU separates the corn from the crap is beyond me.

329 But I also eat arugula, Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2013 10:54 AM (gqgiP) Jeff, ex-nay on the Meadejokes-ay. I think he is among us.

330 Thank you to everyone who answered my question, that is good to know and something that I should have known but flit flit flit right out of my brain. Distributed Horde knowledge ftw! I tend to be a paranoid freak about food safety stuff though I have started to eat steak medium. What I do to pork chops is a crime against the culinary arts.

331 Because I'm a fucking coward who will not have my RL identity be exposed. You want a chilling effect? There it is. I will not have my family be attacked, my employer be attacked, my friends be attacked. Given the NSA snooping and the IRS snooping and all the EPA release of information and the like, I do, in fact, presume that should I begin to participate in a more public forum then this, then it is probable, not possible, that my life will be put on display and that all that is near and dear to me will have the ravening mob set upon them. I will not do that. Because I am afraid. I am afraid because I have reason to be afraid. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:31 AM (VtjlW) I have always operated on the presumption that Government knows who I am and where to find me. My usage of a pseudoname is for the purpose of keeping Liberal kook nutburgers from finding me. Years ago I had one of them set my property on fire (twice) because they didn't like one of my political signs. I KNOW these people. The worst among them are loons who simply do not care about committing crimes.

332

Aaaannnd... finally dumpy-assed narcissist Ann Althouse discloses why she really closed comments:

" I'd long had the problem of commenters making my site look "right-wing." I'm a political moderate. I didn't mind comments that contrasted with what I said. But in the last months of comments, the toxicity came from commenters who meant to poison this blog to death. "

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 10:06 AM (CJjw5)

 

Aww, poor baby.  Even voting twice for the SCOAMF must not have saved her from the withering scorn of the faculty lounge.  I found her blog amusing the first few times I went there, but when it was obvious AA was the classic definition of a passive-aggressive high-maintenance bitch, I left.  I think the commenters who called her a loopy-assed drunk were right on the money.

333 Ground beef is always riskier because the outside of the cut is mixed up with the interior, that gives bacteria a nice place internally to breed that can't be washed off.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 25, 2013 10:52 AM (l3vZN)

 

I can remember as a kid eating raw hamburger meat given to me  by  my father as  he  prepared  meatballs.   I still say he was trying to get rid of me.  Buying me guns,  motorcycles  and feeding me raw meat.   

334 I have to add, that Liberal Kook Nutburgers can still find me if they are willing to put enough effort into it, but it generally weeds out the dumber, less dedicated variety.

335
Legs

long toned shapely legs

336

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2013 10:54 AM (gqgiP)

 

I drink lots of hoppy beer, which also has antimicrobial tendencies.

Or my appendix is still working, one of the two. (Although I don't eat Rare meat all that much.  I don't cook many nice steaks, and my burgers range from "medium well" to "Well" because: BBQ, entirely different process.)

337 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:31 AM (VtjlW)

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 25, 2013 10:58 AM (bb5+k)

I had the flag flying on my front porch burned twice when I lived in New York.  Twice. 

338 294 How did we get from NSA surveillance to e. coli contamination of meat ?

Are the deflection trolls back at work, changing the subject? Or is this just a natural path a normal conversation takes, from national security issues to contaminated food supplies to ass jokes?

Posted by: Hiding from the NSA at July 25, 2013 10:51 AM (Zk0mj)

Not trolls, just basically normal good-natured people that don't have the monomania of the left that produces seething blind anger and hatred-that focuses them. Oh, and that's why there will never be a violent insurrection in this country nowadays, from the right. We're not pathological enough.

(And the deal about tainted burgers-all about cowshit, really.)

339 Here's a thought I had when the CBS show, "Person of Interest" came on. In the show, there's a computer database that captures everything. I mean all electronic info, including CCTV footage, and facial recognition stuff, phone calls, internet traffic, banking, etc. The premise of the show is that the NSA or some other intel shop has all this info about criminal activity being planned and executed and who the actors are, but dumps most of it saving only the ones that directly impact national security or terrorism. All the other "non-relevant" criminal data like muggings or murders are deleted. So, now we find out that the NSA has been recording EVERYTHING just like this show's database. That means the NSA has information concerning ongoing criminal investigations not related to terrorism/nat security. What's to keep DA's and such from subpoenaing the NSA to turn over potential evidence of crimes?

340

"What I do to pork chops is a crime against the culinary arts."

 

Never apologize for overcooking unclean pigs.  There are a few things they got right in the Middle East, and one was a healthy skepticism of pork.

 

Bacon is great, but cook the shit out of it. 

341 Even Glen Reynolds (aka Instapundit) got involved defending his wife, Dr. Helen. Althouse got catty and Glen instalanched the exchange. Guess who shut down comments asap. Posted by: wg at July 25, 2013 10:32 AM (WQ7Ew) From what little bit i've read of Dr. Helen, I like her. Certainly a lot more than Ann Althouse.

342 You can't seriously believe that the partisans in the IRS, NSA, EPA and DOJ don't coordinate. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 25, 2013 10:54 AM (54/YX) Do I think there is some huge left wing conspiracy? No more than I believed there were was a huge right wing conspiracy. Are there individual left wing assholes all over the gov trying to screw us, sure. But that's a big difference

343 I have to add, that Liberal Kook Nutburgers can still find me if they are willing to put enough effort into it, but it generally weeds out the dumber, less dedicated variety. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 25, 2013 10:59 AM (bb5+k) That's actually my point. The IRS and the EPA and the FDA (iirc) have admitted that they passed along identity information to leftists organizations. If you're going to go all She Who Must Not Be Named on me, at least do the work yourself. Now? One stop shopping!

344 What's the question? Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 10:49 AM (GQ8sn) Multiple questions. It was a survey asking about 50 things about the trial and if they heard about it. (Not a recent TM photo, Zim voted for TFG, Zim started a business with an AA, etc.) Here is the quiz/survery: http://tinyurl.com/k84g4bh

345

"Oh, and that's why there will never be a violent insurrection in this country nowadays, from the right. We're not pathological enough."

 

And this is precisely why we will be made extinct.  The only question is the time frame and cause of death.  Damn our sanity.

346 Posted by: Purp at July 25, 2013 10:34 AM (spjFk) Don't know if you care, but your tagline link doesn't work.

347 Perhaps for now, but how long do you expect that to last?

I don't think NSA has the spare manpower to diverge off its primary mission much.  ~60k employees spread worldwide doing all the tasks they do makes it a pretty lean organization.

IRS, OTOH with well over 100k domestically, could easily scrape off a few for political purposes and they'd never be missed.  If the IRS doesn't get some scheduled work done due to diverted resource, all that happens is someone doesn't get audited and a few bucks are lost that nobody knows about.

If NSA diverts resource and critical stuff falls tween the cracks, really bad shit can happen

348 What's the question? Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 10:49 AM (GQ8sn) Multiple questions. It was a survey asking about 50 things about the trial and if they heard about it. (Not a recent TM photo, Zim voted for TFG, Zim started a business with an AA, etc.) Here is the quiz/survery: http://tinyurl.com/k84g4bh Posted by: RWC at July 25, 2013 11:02 AM (fWAjv) So then your lib friends answered "no" meaning they no idea of these other facts the MSM completely left out? Fucking awesome.

349 holder has one goal......get whitey.... Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 25, 2013 10:35 AM (8JJ6O) This I strongly suspect.

350 > Heat a cast iron pan to red. Drop in steak. Flip. Take it out.

Steaks belong on grills, heathen.

351 What's to keep DA's and such from subpoenaing the NSA to turn over potential evidence of crimes? Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 11:00 AM (GQ8sn) There's a defense lawyer who is seeking phone records from the NSA for his client who is accused of murder. Guy claims that the phone records would prove he was elsewhere and the carrier deleted the records because it was about two years or so ago. What the hell, why not give that a shot.

352

>>>>Steaks belong on grills, heathen.

 

HA.  I working *blue*

353 There's a defense lawyer who is seeking phone records from the NSA for his client who is accused of murder. Guy claims that the phone records would prove he was elsewhere and the carrier deleted the records because it was about two years or so ago. What the hell, why not give that a shot. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:05 AM (VtjlW) Exactly. What's to keep the NSA from becoming a lawyer clearinghouse of evidence?

354

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:01 AM (VtjlW)

 

I used to cause a little trouble then on a bioethics blog using my twitter as a log in.  Nothing serious, just mostly calling the person running it unintellectual and point out whenever she was horribly inconsistent (which was always.)

Figuring at least there a separation between "me" and "tsrblke" that (while fairly easily connectable) takes a couple of google hops to get to, so it was sort of a "anonymity through obscurity" type thing.

Then twitter started going through your cookies and comparing your log on location to other log on locations. It connected me back to the my university and started suggesting people to follow that would pretty easily connect me. Now I didn't follow them, but I realized it wouldn't be to hard to trace me back, so I gave up.  I'm to lazy to make an alter ego. If someone wants to find me, so be it.

(BTW, the blogger, fired, or otherwise left.  And I'm to understand she's no longer editor at that journal.)

355

"Steaks belong on grills, heathen."

 

You wanna fight, man?  Let's go.  Bring it, punk.

 

356 There's a defense lawyer who is seeking phone records from the NSA for his client who is accused of murder. Guy claims that the phone records would prove he was elsewhere and the carrier deleted the records because it was about two years or so ago. What the hell, why not give that a shot. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:05 AM (VtjlW) Yeah but that is all bullshit and for show. He could get the same records from the guys phone company.

357 Then twitter started going through your cookies and comparing your log on location to other log on locations. It connected me back to the my university and started suggesting people to follow that would pretty easily connect me. Private browsing option ftw.

358 NGU and a few others seem to think that the democrats in NSA are a higher breed of civil servant or maybe that NSA does such a great job in oversight and internal auditing shit like Snowden doesn't happen....

seems to me you're playing a game of "no pull the other finger" bud....

NSA started out as a foreign ElInt operation that just can't keep its hands out of the domestic cookie jar....

http://tinyurl.com/mpjlpb5


NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls

National Security Agency discloses in secret Capitol Hill briefing that thousands of analysts can listen to domestic phone calls. That authorization appears to extend to e-mail and text messages too.

but hey don't sweat it team...

It's not like Clapper'd perjure himself or anything is it?

359 Yeah but that is all bullshit and for show. He could get the same records from the guys phone company.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 11:09 AM (9Xc5j)

 

Phone company cleared them after 6 months (which I think is normal SOP for this.)

They don't have much need of them after that.  Only someone doing tracking would.

360

Please take a look at it and tell me -- is this the kind of stuff we should discourage to avoid "controversy" or do we need to man up and push more of it into the Left's face?

 

Every damned one of us should be shoving it back into the left's face.

 

I'm beginning to come up with a tagline of my own:  but after reviewing it, I think Ace would ban me for good.  So I'll keep it to myself.

361 I'm beginning to come up with a tagline of my own: but after reviewing it, I think Ace would ban me for good. So I'll keep it to myself. Fuck off and die, but first you will blow me?

362 Stopped reading Althouse a long time ago (around the election). I used to enjoy her cultural pieces, but I can get similar from Twitchy and Neoneocon. Was never really a fan of her comments section. The main thing that always struck me, even when I read her blog, is how little legal analysis she provides.

363 Especially when a Democrat is president. Are Dems worse - yes, they are, but the real problem is that the power of the press to hold government accountable basically goes away when someone they find attractive is in power. The public watchdog role of the press is a lie. Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 25, 2013 10:39 AM (H9eC4) The supposed watchdog role of the Press is completely inoperative when a President of their party is in office. For this reason, allowing the Press to remain overwhelmingly in the hands of Liberals has become an issue of national security as far as i'm concerned. Not counteracting the Liberal Press/Media/Movie/Entertainment industries is going to get us killed people.

364 Private browsing option ftw.

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 11:09 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Don't think it would have helped.  I recognized the recommended people as university organizations, that I never looked up/googled/visited.

I think twitter was comparing IP groupings. And suggesting people on the same IP tree as you (if it matched your IP to a university.)

I guess I could have gone through a proxy, but that's an f'ing ton of work.

365 350 Diogenes Lamp,

I made my deal with the devil trying to stop Radical Muslim attacks in CONUS with my silence on Bush era games with ElInt...

I fucked up....we are now in fact openly allied with Radical Islam and as such even if NSA were doing its job the data trails will be ignored vis a vis policy...

ergo since they are still busy little bees I am assuming they are surveilling "something"...

that something is Obama's E Goldstein which would be....

"us"

366 [I'm a 'bucket o' chicken' man.

Breasts, legs, thighs...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:56 AM (fwARV) [/i]

 

*makes note*

 

 

Do I think there is some huge left wing conspiracy? No more than I believed there were was a huge right wing conspiracy. Are there individual left wing assholes all over the gov trying to screw us, sure. But that's a big difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 11:01 AM (9Xc5j)

 

 

It doesn't need to be a leftwing conspiracy.  Hell, it doesn't even need to be leftwingers at all.  Power corrupts.   Absolute power corrupts absolutely.     That is true regardless of your political ideology.   

 

 

As you yourself have stated, we don't KNOW what they're collecting, and that's all the more reason to be suspicious    and    distrustful.      We should not have to be fighting to keep    any aspect of     our private    communications    private.   THEY (meaning the gubmint) should be    the ones who have to work to get our private information.  Hence warrants.  Hence due process.   Hence the fifth amendment.  

367

>>>>The main thing that always struck me, even when I read her blog, is how little legal analysis she provides.

 

 

AT THE NO-COMMENT CAFE:

you can't say anything

 

368 Yeah but that is all bullshit and for show. He could get the same records from the guys phone company. Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 11:09 AM (9Xc5j) Let me reiterate: Guy claims that the phone records would prove he was elsewhere and the carrier deleted the records because it was about two years or so ago. You see that? That right there? About how he can't get them because, again, the carrier does not have the records. For fuck's sake, if you want me to give you credit for arguing in good faith, you can make a modicum of effort at literacy.

369 361 MP4,

I've been absent and will continue to get more so...

a GOP and Right punditry that can't get mileage out of Detroit, the IRS, and Emplyer Mandategate is not a GOP worth saving.

370 Althouse did some good work during the WI recall stuff. Besides that, the only other thing that's in my memory is the little kerfluffle between her and ace, or rather Wicket.

371 Legs

long toned shapely legs

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 25, 2013 10:59 AM (8sCoq)

http://www.shorpy.com/node/15693?size=_original#caption

372 McCarthy is just precious. He writes on two topics: 1. How you can't trust the Obama Adminstration and how its DOJ is off the rails; 2. That same Administration you can't trust should have unlimited access to your private and personal communications. He doesn't seem to have the intellectual honesty to see that his view of unlimited prosecutorial power leads to people like Holder and Corey. Posted by: ejo You can have the noblest and most dedicated men and women in public service, but if you tempt them with enough power, they will become corrupted. Anyone can be corrupted, which is, to some degree, what Andrew McCarthy and others that genuinely care about security and prevention of terrorist attacks fail to realize. Randy "Duke" Cunningham was a helluva man and pilot, but becoming a Congressman corrupted him and ruined his life, because he came to believe he was "owed" all those bribes and perks that Defense contractors shower on the willing. Power corrupts, and the power to eavesdrop and look at personal things that people (in government) shouldn't, corrupts anyone. And when you start with a very low standard of man or woman (someone who believes it's their DUTY to fix this or that!), temptation will corrupt quickly. The rottenness in government is exponentially related to how much more money and power the Congress has given the Executive, and how much power any given President (like our current corrupt one) is willing to grab.

373 Besides that, the only other thing that's in my memory is the little kerfluffle between her and ace, or rather Wicket.

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 11:13 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Much ado about nuttin', IIRC.

374 Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 11:09 AM (LRFds) If your gonna make shit about and lie about what I say, at least do a better job

375 So then your lib friends answered "no" meaning they no idea of these other facts the MSM completely left out? Fucking awesome. Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 11:04 AM (GQ8sn) Exactly.

376

>>>a GOP and Right punditry that can't get mileage out of Detroit, the IRS, and Emplyer Mandategate is not a GOP worth saving.

 

There you go.

Nothing will change until and unless we hate the GOP as much as the Left does. Seriously, you guys.

377 One of the best posts on AOS in a very long time. Thanks Drew.

378 What I do to pork chops is a crime against the culinary arts.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 10:58 AM (VtjlW)

Commercial pork doesn't have trichina (it causes trichinosis) anymore, so it is quite safe to eat at medium.

If you want an amazing experience, buy some nice looking rib chops (at least 1.5 inches thick) and brine them for a few hours before grilling them. It makes all the difference in the world.

379 369 AlexTheChick,

AtC there's nobody so blind as those who won't see, and frankly if the Govt is gonna store the entire internet wouldn't it be the only ethical option to allow defense lawyers to access it?

The deference to the Intel SuperState uber alles crowd must think they are building storage orders of magnitude greater than any in history because the kindly civil servants are REAL forgetful and need everything backed up in 1000th tempulate.....

whichever....just another avenue for partisan games..... if IngSoc wants a defendant to go free well by golly there'll be a leak and if IngSoc wants the defendant to take a trip NSA's ass will be tighter than a drum.

380 O/T re Obamacare: ‏@SenLeePressSec At 12pm ET: Watch @SenMikeLee, @SenTedCruz, and @MarcoRubio on the Senate floor. They will discuss defunding ObamaCare. #DontFundIt #UTpol

381 For fuck's sake, if you want me to give you credit for arguing in good faith, you can make a modicum of effort at literacy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:12 AM (VtjlW)

 

What's your point?  That the NSA records could help prove a person's innocence?  That's one of your arguments against this metadata collection?

382 I was one of the commentors at Althouse in its final week of viability. I tried to deconstruct an argument for asymmetric accountability and control of reproductive outcomes. She supports "Don't exercise proper control of your sperm, pay for 18 years, period, full stop". I counter-proposed "Don't exercise proper control of your ova, pay for 9 months, period, full stop". Toxic. Just toxic.

383 Your browser doesn't display the destination of a link at the bottom of the window when you hover over it? Posted by: Anachronda at July 25, 2013 10:46 AM (IrbU4) Yes it does, but I suppose i'm always in too much of a hurry to wait for it or look at it. 99% of the time I don't need to.

384 >http://www.shorpy.com/node/15693?size=_original#caption

Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 11:14 AM (lZvxr)

precisely- note the definition of the biceps femoris

385 377 Bigby's Smelly Glove,

Half my family helps elect Boner...

explain to me precisely what we get for the bargain?

We don't ask that we get ever more valueless freeshit bucks we wanted a GOP Congress that you know acted as a brake on Ogabe.

I know Bigby I simply "want too much" right?

Fuck 'em if the GOP leadership wants to empower donkey to overreach go full retard and teach FreeShit army what fun it will be.

386 She supports "Don't exercise proper control of your sperm, pay for 18 years, period, full stop". I counter-proposed "Don't exercise proper control of your ova, pay for 9 months, period, full stop". *golf clap*

387 You guys keep mixing every argument together into some kinda soup that is a take it or leave it 100% argument? They are all separate arguments. Anyway the Gov already has all my medical records Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 10:51 AM (9Xc5j) We don't see it as separate arguments, we see it as various manifestations of the same problem.

388 382 Polynikes,

No, the argument is that since such data will not be forthcoming unless of course "My People" need it in all likelihood it is just another Chicago shakedown tool is what I gathered from her posit.

Do explain how partisan data usage is good for the Republic.

389 Legs long toned shapely legs Posted by: Jones in CO at July 25, 2013 10:59 AM (8sCoq) http://www.shorpy.com/node/15693?size=_original#caption Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 11:14 AM (lZvxr) She was a trained ballerina so her legs were incredibly toned.

390 One of the best posts on AOS in a very long time. Thanks Drew.

Posted by: Rickroll at July 25, 2013 11:15 AM (6VB4r)

Ditto.

391  I have come to the conclusion whether an agency set up had a specific benign purpose or not. Any agency is vulnerable to those that would use the agency for political power for Team rep/dem.

did we think that middle america would be threatened and intimidated by any political party in America before?

Did we see agencies used to shut up film makers and plumbers?
tea partiers?
why would one assume THIS agency  would be used  only for the purpose of 'terrorists"
and who NOW names terrorists as returning vets, bible thumpers, pro life people and tea partiers?

Yes a govt agency .

so?

392 It's official: the GOP is repositioning itself to be the slighlty-to-the-right-of-the-Democrats party. It will be interesting to see what the GOP runs on in '14 and '16. I know what they won't run on: gas, unemployment, debt/spending, privacy, abuse of power, discrimination, foreign policy screwups, Afghanistan, ...

393 This is why every time I see John Bolton on tv, I immediately ignore what he's about to say. It's ALWAYS a statist POV. Always.

394 Somehow when it comes to favorite programs, the officials suddenly can't reason via analogy anymore.

"It doesn't matter if this program is effectively everything that an unreasonable search and seizure is... it's not literally a search and seizure!"

395

Power corrupts, and the power to eavesdrop and look at personal things that people (in government) shouldn't, corrupts anyone. And when you start with a very low standard of man or woman (someone who believes it's their DUTY to fix this or that!), temptation will corrupt quickly.

 

Who was it yesterday who commented that a friend of theirs worked in a bank that had special codes on the accounts of high profile customers?   And that people were frequently fired for peeking into those accounts without due cause?

 

That kind of peeking is "just" for the prurient thrill, and maybe to make a buck from the tabloids.  Can you imagine if those people peeked into a high profile conservative's bank account    not because    they just wanted to snoop,    but   because they believed they had    "a duty and a calling" to do so?

 

Now imagine those same people peeking into Joe Schmoe's bank account because he or she said something online that the teller doesn't agree with.   There's no special tracking code on Schmoe's account.  No one's going to get fired for looking at YOUR information.  And if you're in the IRS office in Delaware, you can just shred or destroy the records that identified you as the one who accessed a political candidate's tax records, and no consequences will   result.

 

This is just little, low level stuff.     Now take that same kind of perverse, shallow,  yet holier-than-thou attitude and apply it to the NSA.

396 Do explain how partisan data usage is good for the Republic.

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 11:19 AM (LRFds)

L'etat c'est moi.

397

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2013 11:16 AM (gqgiP)

 

Spareribs, Dry rub, cook over high heat, but elevated (I use my BBQ pit's Bun rack.)

Apply soaked wood chips just prior to adding the meat.

The result, delicious smoky, tender goodness. (The wet wood means your pit smokes and then has to heat back up, and the high heat but raised cooking means you get a good sear, but can keep the ribs on there for longer leading to tenderness.)

398 What's your point? That the NSA records could help prove a person's innocence? That's one of your arguments against this metadata collection? Posted by: polynikes at July 25, 2013 11:16 AM (m2CN7) I was responding to the comment about what was to keep DAs from requesting the information from the NSA by pointing out that at least one defense attorney is doing precisely that in an attempt to bolster the defense of his client. Thus, for those such as, oh to pick someone at random, you, who were highly likely to respond that of course that wouldn't happen, the converse already has.

399 392 Willow,

the idea or the notion that you look at any Federal enterprise as innately good or bad is a funny one isn't it?

The IRS after all was set up "to aid the govt in charging only the top 1% to enable a more helpful and benign government give the little guy a square deal."

End the SuperState go with liberty.

400 Can you imagine if those people peeked into a high profile conservative's bank account not because they just wanted to snoop, but because they believed they had "a duty and a calling" to do so? -- Inconceivable!

401 To reduce processing time and storage space, I suspect (heck, I'll guarantee it) NSA implements heuristics for purging old'ish data if it doesn't produce a correlation within some given time horizon.

If you don't do that kind of thing, your analysis times start to explode exponentially and quickly become intractable...even with the fastest supercomputers.

When you're in the time sensitive intel business, you can't afford keep worthless bits forever.

402 DON'T FUND IT http://tinyurl.com/mzeerls

403 Have any of the foodies here cooked things sous vide? Seems very trendy, but I don't know that I would appreciate it since I like meat rare.

404

>>>It will be interesting to see what the GOP runs on in '14 and '16. I know what they won't run on: gas, unemployment, debt/spending, privacy, abuse of power, discrimination, foreign policy screwups, Afghanistan, ...

 

This kid at work asks me about the GOP's chances in 2016. Sez 'can Hillary actually win?!' like he can't fkn believe it and then is like 'who are we gonna run?' I just say it doesn't matter.

405 401 Harry Reid's Searchslight Mafia,

Paisan Cowboy Poetry REQUIRES we break what eggs we must...

406 We'll have to ask MP4 if he has any stories on her.  That was a pair of the best looking legs in Hollywood. Those and Julie Newmar,

407 Still would love to hear an explanation for how the NSA et al missed the Boston bombers.

408 Not counteracting the Liberal Press/Media/Movie/Entertainment industries is going to get us killed people.
=======

I had this thought the other night.

You know how all the news is from conglomerates? AP, Reuters, etc.?

What if we stated editing them? To make them both (claimed) neutral and inclusive of relevant facts?

Then, pass them off as the original? (hosted on a wikilinks or pirate bay type server)

Refuse to link to the liberal original--let the leftist rail and howl about the edits; exposing the utter dishonesty of the original.

I mean, we all follow news pretty damned closely here. Quite a few of us could do this, one article a day--"this is how is should have been written."

What'd you say?

409 I was one of the commentors at Althouse in its final week of viability. I tried to deconstruct an argument for asymmetric accountability and control of reproductive outcomes. She supports "Don't exercise proper control of your sperm, pay for 18 years, period, full stop". I counter-proposed "Don't exercise proper control of your ova, pay for 9 months, period, full stop". Anal.

410 Nothing to add; Vic correctly states the proper action all the back at #4.  Ok, I will add Congress is full of spineless and ineffectual pussies.

411

Posted by: Purp at July 25, 2013 11:23 AM (spjFk)

 

Purge and "put on ice" are two different things.

I have lots of (considerably smaller) databases of references that I purge every so often, but I still keep the big ugly master in case I want to go back to it at some point.

You could probably find some way to have your cake and eat it too in this case.

412 402 Purp,

unless of course you can simply store it all in subcompartments.....

it'll be REALLY interesting to see what the hive they're building really is packing.

413 I had the flag flying on my front porch burned twice when I lived in New York. Twice. Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 25, 2013 10:59 AM (fwARV) If I lived near a major Metropolis, I would take much stronger precautions than I do currently, especially with my domicile.

414 where might be the final destination of You bank records  after Obamacare and IRS have full and complete access to them?
medical history?
divorce records?

all of these things  collected  and would only be used for the purpose of their Purported agency?

415 OT Mediaite says that three people were fired in SF after the wrong name debacle on the Air Asiana flight that crashed. Good. People like that are a liability in any company.

416 408 Y-not,

You don't "miss" things you are simply not looking for....ergo

417 Still would love to hear an explanation for how the NSA et al missed the Boston bombers. Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 11:24 AM (5H6zj) And Major Nidal. It's not the data you collect, it's how you analyze it and the political will to prosecute that information that is dangerous to the National Security and do not let PC crap get in your way. Most of the data collected stays in the bottom of some box/tape and never sees the light of day

418 "Sous vide..."

Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 11:23 AM (5H6zj)

Without a machine it's a pain the ass. I did it once, and it wasn't worth the trouble.

But....you can cook to any temperature you want. Rare is very doable!

I think that the technique is best suited to restaurants.

419 Thus, for those such as, oh to pick someone at random, you, who were highly likely to respond that of course that wouldn't happen, the converse already has.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:21 AM (VtjlW

 

What wouldn't happen?   That people would request info from the NSA if there was not an alternative place to get it?    Why wouldn't I think that wouldn't happen.   Its been happening for the last 60 years .  Defense attorneys have requested info  from the CIA, FBI,  NSA and other agencies for decades. 

 

My queston to you was why this would be  an additional reason  to oppose the NSA metadata collection?  

420 Out, damned sock!

421 The GOP should just retire from politics and move to the Cayman Island. The effect on national policy would be about the same.

You can take almost any national issue and it is a golden opportunity for the GOP to propose an alternative, but the GOP has no alternative; they just don't see any other way of administering the country. All they can say is Obama is doing a bad job, and they could do it better.

Mark Steyn said it on the Rush Limbaugh show before this Obama Health Care catastrophe was ever passed. He said 'If this passes the argument move from whether or not it is a good policy, to who can best administer the program.'

That's were the GOP is, and they have no credibility on any issue. So pack it in, retire, and let younger people have a shot at it. 

422 We'll have to ask MP4 if he has any stories on her. That was a pair of the best looking legs in Hollywood. Those and Julie Newmar, Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 11:24 AM (lZvxr) Mmm hmmm!!! She was in "Chocolat" but I barely recognized her.

423

378 -

 

What a nice thing to say to your brother, Ricky!  For that I'll let you loofah my bunions  tonight. 

424 What'd you say?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2013 11:24 AM (VjL9S)

Will probably get sued for copyright violation.

425 Do I think there is some huge left wing conspiracy? No more than I believed there were was a huge right wing conspiracy. Are there individual left wing assholes all over the gov trying to screw us, sure. But that's a big difference Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 11:01 AM (9Xc5j) "Intellectual phase lock" can have the same consequences as would a "conspiracy." It is no comfort to the victims that it wasn't an actual "conspiracy."

426 Phil Mickelson Faces 61 Percent Tax Rate Following Back-To-Back Wins Not that I am losing any sleep about where he will find his next meal, but still, that's fucked up

427 Just remember, under Obamacare, Mary Mary Quite Contrary from Harper's Ferry will have access to your medical records because she'll be the one validating your    Obamacare claim.   So she'll see that you like to give yourself mayonnaise enemas on a regular basis.   And she'll tell all her friends, because Mary   Mary is    a   gossipy bitch.

428 Not that I am losing any sleep about where he will find his next meal, but still, that's fucked up Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 11:28 AM (9Xc5j) At some point, you've made enough money.

429 He wanted to have a sex bunker in Chicago?????"

430 426 Diogenes Lamp,

Heh in order to have a conspiracy you need a population that will have enough true believers who feel safe to act...

the IRS gave 95% of its donations to TFG....

do the math, I did.

The GOP when in power does not have power the same way the democrats have power...that this does not bother the GOP more than it does tells me something about them I don't like much.

431 If you're going to go all She Who Must Not Be Named on me, at least do the work yourself. Now? One stop shopping! Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:01 AM (VtjlW) I told my group of political commandos that if you are EFFECTIVE, you will draw scrutiny. If you don't draw any scrutiny, you might as well not be in the game.

432 It is no comfort to the victims that it wasn't an actual "conspiracy." Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 25, 2013 11:28 AM (bb5+k) ??? And when did I say it was? Go after those who violate the trust given to them. All it takes is the political will and to win a few elections here. Elections have consequences and when we do grab the reins of power we have to take a few cues from the Liberals and ride that baby into the ground

433 Without a machine it's a pain the ass. I did it once, and it wasn't worth the trouble. --- I understand the machines are really pricey, too. For meats that call for non-rare cooking, I sear then braise in the same pot to keep all the tasty bits.

434

@CBD

There are "build your own" Sous Vide plans online that utilize electronics to mimic the device in a plane old pot (limiting the pain in the as nature of it.)

I haven't tried any of them yet.

Someone kickstarted a miniature Sous vide a while back, but I never saw what came of it (it was a self contained insert into a standard cooking pot.)

435 428 MWR,

and she will never ever get fired....unless she pisses off one of the beautiful people....

YOU well who gives a fuck comrade?  She's got a union...that the GOP doesn't campaign against...

436 Phil Mickelson Faces 61 Percent Tax Rate Following Back-To-Back Wins


Not that I am losing any sleep about where he will find his next meal, but still, that's fucked up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 11:28 AM (9Xc5j)

 

I think he will probably be looking for a house in Florida  soon.  

437 There's a defense lawyer who is seeking phone records from the NSA for his client who is accused of murder. Guy claims that the phone records would prove he was elsewhere and the carrier deleted the records because it was about two years or so ago. What the hell, why not give that a shot. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:05 AM (VtjlW) That's actually a pretty good tactic if you can get a Federal Judge to go along with it.

438 Go after those who violate the trust given to them. All it takes is the political will and to win a few elections here. Elections have consequences and when we do grab the reins of power we have to take a few cues from the Liberals and ride that baby into the ground

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 11:30 AM (9Xc5j)

 

You're assuming that    those who violate the trust given them don't do so in order to win elections.

439 Still would love to hear an explanation for how the NSA et al missed the Boston bombers.
Posted by: Y-not

Analgous to police crime prevention, the NSA isn't stepping all over your liberties to protect you, they are do it for post discovering of the perps.  The Founders never intended it to be this way; in fact just the opposite.

440 CBD, Are you still planning on food threads? I liked them. Missed quite a few in real-time b/c of "life," but still enjoyed them after the fact.

441 439 MWR,

quite... it is a beautiful circle...

I barely trusted a man I voted for twice with the power and only then because he had not yet driven home his and as fate would have it TFG's deference to radical Islam....

I fucked up I trusted them.

No more.

442 Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 11:12 AM (LRFds) This is as I see it too.

443 Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 11:30 AM (5H6zj)

Or just sear and then dry cook at medium temperature. A seared roast that is then put into a 275 degree oven comes out really nicely. Juicy, tender and good looking from the original sear.

444 Miguel, I am a little annoyed at the portion of the people and govt officials  that believe at THIS point, when govt agencies have INDEED been Used by a political party for political purpose to Harm  citizens already.

but this one would not have those 'types' of workers that would abuse their position for a purpose.

the lie would then be, How does one feel about snowden and his use of Gaining govt employment for a political purpose?

nevermind that I like  the information he shared coming out..
what if it was more damaging  to military in real time.

Look at how dems used information to wreck efforts  during  the war?

why should we assume govt or congress will restrain  those that want to 'change ' america to their ideal?
have we seen  restraint of actually going to war in libya?

have we seen anything real happen to Those already using their positions to harm political opponents?
where is the restrainer or punishment even at this point?

445 440 Dogfish,

it's a matter of bait and switch the NSA tries to sell the idea the powers are needed to "stop the next attack" and then act as forensic janitors with data trails...of course the punchline here is that they have ALL THAT wonderful data to play with in the meantime...

446 > NSA implements heuristics for purging old'ish data if it doesn't produce a correlation within some given time horizon

Just because you move it out of the main search DB doesn't mean you have to shitcan the data.  Especially when you have zetabytes of storage.

447 425 What'd you say?


Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2013 11:24 AM (VjL9S)

Will probably get sued for copyright violation.
========
That's the point of hosting it out of US jurisdiction.

And there's got to be a way I can "blind drop" my edited version onto the server.

Kind of a "wikipedia" but for news stories.

448 Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 11:33 AM (5H6zj)

Yes. They are fun, but obviously are less important than the hard news posts, so they get pushed to the back of the line.

I have one for Sunday if there is any room.

449 alex tea.

sorry for the delay.

450 Phil should move to Texas.

451 We gave the government an inch and of course they took a mile. ItÂ’s time to take it back.


Ok, here is your inch back.  We'll keep the other 63,359 inches tho', thanks suckers.

452 That's the point of hosting it out of US jurisdiction.

And there's got to be a way I can "blind drop" my edited version onto the server.

Kind of a "wikipedia" but for news stories.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2013 11:35 AM (VjL9S)

I think nearly everyone has signed the copyright treaties.

453 Posted by: tsrblke at July 25, 2013 11:31 AM (GaqMa)

Perfect vacuum packing is a critical part of the process. And a home vacuum sealer won't work perfectly on all foods.

But....using a good quality cooler is a cheap and easy way of maintaining the temp.

454 >>Or just sear and then dry cook at medium temperature. Sure, but for really cheap cuts of meat, I like to braise.

455 445 Willow,

Willow inasmuch as I ever "defended" Snowden it was that he simply showed how simple it was for a barely qualified naked partisan to gain entry into the Mickey Mouse Club.

I am now of the opinion that CIA and NSA both has partisan "non-partisan" careerists running defacto shadow govt ops against the elected govt of the United States' policy makers....

that really was what "Plamegate" was about it was about SooperSekrit Agent 69 trying to burn PotUS...

Wiki has a nice article on "illegal NSA Spying" from 2001-2007....

pretty funny that that is the cutoff considering if anything they're even more out of control now.

456 Jones in CO@278,

Same as it ever was.

Kennedy wasn't concerned about the cost. He was concerned about the costs getting out. It was going do induce the opposition to say, "Hey, let's cut more spending if they can produce waste like this." That's what Kennedy was pissed about.

Not a thing has changed other than inflation.

457 I think the thing that irritates me the most about this is the refusal of the House GOP to use the power of the purse to keep this lawless administration in check. At least there was *some* debate about the NSA program, but not nearly enough.

458 I would actually also like to mention..

the constitution will not necessarily hold these that want their ultimate destination reached . as we have seen those in positions of Power  ignore it.

459 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/mx9x7td

460 Sure, but for really cheap cuts of meat, I like to braise.

Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 11:38 AM (5H6zj)

Agreed.

When pork shoulder or butt goes on sale I usually braise one after a 24 hour wet-rub.

I have found that it doesn't need much liquid -- one bottle of beer is sufficient.

461 When the law doesn't matter to those in power, it doesn't matter what the laws are. It doesn't matter what is and isn't "constitutional", because they are the ones who are defining "constitutional". Debating amendments and laws and the Constitution is good for keeping the proles busy and that's about it.

Posted by: Dwayneat July 25, 2013 11:36 AM (uvaJ1)

wish i could write my thoughts as well.

462 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/mx9x7td Posted by: RWC at July 25, 2013 11:39 AM (fWAjv) Quite possibly worse than face-sized spiders.

463
Under these conditions, all that needs to happen is that the govt chooses you or somebody else and they can effectively control your life without you even knowing it, you had no option to even make a 4th amendment case.

So they choose you to destroy you damn conservative you, oops that stock you just invested in dropped 50%, the irs decides you need an audit, the epa and osha get a tip that you aren't up to snuff (even if you are), the fbi decides to chat with your boss about you and if there is anything suspicious (and you never know why you are suddenly out when you were moving up), the tsa delays you long enough to miss an important flight because you 'accidentally' showed up on a no flight list.....  all directed by info they captured on you with out you even knowing and certainly not consenting.

464

>>>>nevermind that I like the information he shared coming out..
what if it was more damaging to military in real time.

 

Yes, they will hang your children over your head like Damocles' sword. Well, I have a brother who served in Afghanistan, several relatives who served in theaters around the globe, and I've served. I say F U the troops should be *here*, kicking *their* asses. Bravo to Mr. Snowden, give him a Nobel.

465 When it comes to job benefits, Matthew Barzun is about to enjoy some of the best. As the new U.S. ambassador to the U.K., he’ll live in Winfield House, a London mansion set on 12 acres with gardens second only to those in Buckingham Palace in size. He’ll be able to borrow art from museums for free and host the president as an overnight guest when he’s in town. Barzun, a 42-year-old technology entrepreneur nominated this month to the Court of St. James’s, earned those perks: He raised at least $1.2 million as finance chairman for President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign. While Obama ran in 2008 on a pledge to limit the influence of money in politics, a review of ambassadorial appointments five years into his presidency shows that big donors have landed dozens of top overseas assignments. Since the president’s November re-election alone, posts in Italy, Belgium and Spain, as well as London, among other assignments, have gone to donors. At least 26 of Obama’s current and nominated ambassadors were major Democratic campaign contributors, giving a total of at least $13.6 million to him, the Democratic Party, and congressional candidates, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. “When he talked about toughening up lobbying rules, the sense was that this is a president really committed to international engagement,” said Dan Kurtzer, a 29-year veteran of the foreign service and former ambassador to Egypt and Israel under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. “Instead, we so devalue diplomacy that we assume anyone can walk off the street and do it.” Democrats take corruption to a new level and still blame it on Conservatives

466 She supports "Don't exercise proper control of your sperm, pay for 18 years, period, full stop". I counter-proposed "Don't exercise proper control of your ova, pay for 9 months, period, full stop". Toxic. Just toxic. Posted by: phunctor at July 25, 2013 11:17 AM (R7uOf) I can see how that argument would GRATE on someone who has taken her position. She is too deep in to her position to back out without demonstrating hypocrisy.

467 466 Bigby's Smelly Glove,

Wife has a combat action badge....

at the end of the day, PLame undermining the moral support for the war is just as egregious...face it we built the war on a house of sand at the edge of a tidal wave...

The only Middle East war the Democrats want to wage is one empowering Radical Islam to finish off Israel.

468 Still would love to hear an explanation for how the NSA et al missed the Boston bombers.

My suspicion is volume has already produced "analysis paralysis" to some degree. 

It could so be that some human actually did see come correlations pop and made a snap decision that these guys were harmless rubes.  That kinda thing does happen.

There's probably many thousand characters wandering around who warrant some scrutiny, but due to the volumes involved, triage and prioritization has to be done.

469 Quite possibly worse than face-sized spiders. Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 11:41 AM (GQ8sn) Spiders are like a bunny-duckling hybrid compared to that shit.

470 Bravo to Mr. Snowden, give him a Nobel. Posted by: Bigby's Smelly Glove at July 25, 2013 11:41 AM (3ZtZW) Renegade National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden has applied to join a group of former Russian intelligence and security officials, according to the group’s director. Participation in a union of former KGB security, intelligence, and police officials, would likely change Snowden’s status from that of a whistleblower seeking to expose wrongdoing, to an intelligence defector who has changed sides. Alexei Lobarev, chairman of the group called “Veterans of the Siloviki”—literally “men of power”—told a Russian news outlet on Monday that Snowden, who has been staying in a Moscow airport transit lounge for a month, applied for membership in the group. Some hero you got there?

471 My queston to you was why this would be an additional reason to oppose the NSA metadata collection? Posted by: polynikes at July 25, 2013 11:27 AM (m2CN7) Because Fourth Amendment. Because the government has not been granted the power or authority to act as a nationwide repository of such information. Because this will result in the Federalization of all criminal and civil law. Hell, let's look at the practicalities of it. Because I do not want federal resources diverted to responding to such requests. This is going to sound way way way bitchier than I mean it to so please take this is with the best possible reading. I do not believe that you and I will be able to have any type of effective discussion on this matter because I do not believe we are doing anything other than talking past each other. Multiple people have presented responses to your questions. You do not appear to be convinced of the concerns expressed therein. In turn, I do not find your position to be persuasive as we appear to be placing primacy on different matters. You have far less concern about privacy violations than I do. I have far greater cynicism about territorial protections and human nature than you do. I should note that all of this is fine. There is tension between security and freedom and people will differ as to where such boundaries will be drawn. At a certain point, there's not much more to say to one another. We draw the lines in different places. So be it.

472 On a lighter, less critical note, did any one note the Drudge link to the reported cat attack in France. It had to happen sooner or later..., the cats are organizing. I've suspected mine of bad intent for a long time.

473

Under these conditions, all that needs to happen is that the govt chooses you or somebody else and they can effectively control your life without you even knowing it, you had no option to even make a 4th amendment case.

So they choose you to destroy you damn conservative you, oops that stock you just invested in dropped 50%, the irs decides you need an audit, the epa and osha get a tip that you aren't up to snuff (even if you are), the fbi decides to chat with your boss about you and if there is anything suspicious (and you never know why you are suddenly out when you were moving up), the tsa delays you long enough to miss an important flight because you 'accidentally' showed up on a no flight list..... all directed by info they captured on you with out you even knowing and certainly not consenting.

 

The potential for abuse is scary in its scope.  Given that fact, I'm rather disappointed that this bill didn't pass.

474 >>Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:45 Well-said. Every word.

475  should we as conservatives decide that protecting  the country from the terrorists du jour of the day , is worth the lessening of our rights as citizens to our papers, privacy etc?

so is this a thing , 'for the children'?

what else ?

476

>>>Some hero you got there?

 

Do not care, NGU.

477

473 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 25, 2013 11:45 AM (VtjlW)

 

Maturity on the internet?  Now I really have seen everything.

478 473 AlexTheChick,

and with good citizens on both sides of the argument it is a necessary one and can be good even when I lose in my preference for liberty if the perceived threat is indeed real.

Take for example the rise of the FBI and resultant cryptographic gorwth in the '30s that stood us in good stead.

The crisis is I am sincerely unable to believe that the surveillance staters are acting in good faith for the whole at all anymore and when one adds in their mad dash for Amigo Grande! to tilt the balance irrevocably you get the partisan rancor we now see on the issue.

479 The Country has rotted to the point that it no longer matters, NGU.

480 What some folks need to finally get through their heads is that they cannot much longer play a game in which the people stake all, and the government class stakes nothing. That government, and those that would control it, must understand that it cannot experiment for ten years trying to destroy liberty and popular sovereignty as they have existed in the United States for the past two centuries, and if it and they fail, have that government still continue unchanged in form.

481 My suspicion is volume has already produced "analysis paralysis" to some degree.

It could so be that some human actually did see come correlations pop and made a snap decision that these guys were harmless rubes. That kinda thing does happen.

There's probably many thousand characters wandering around who warrant some scrutiny, but due to the volumes involved, triage and prioritization has to be done.

Posted by: Purp at July 25, 2013 11:44 AM (spjFk)

 

Based on how this administration acts if they actually were identified they were ignored for precisely one reason.  They were Muslim.

482 CAC: "How they voted on bills. What they successfully signed into law. How many liberal heads (if any) they've stuck onto pikes."

Earlier than that, actually. How they argued and voted in committee. Or subcommittee. We've seen the game played now realtime. Bad law that could be killed in committee gets the "I'm voting FOR passing it out of committee for the sake of debate but, gosh darn, I really disapprove of the legislation." We know the tactic and it's disingenuous hackery. They'll enable bad law and then voluntarily get whipped into voting against said law if it will help them at home for appearances sake.

Nope, final passage voting is inadequate analysis.

483

If the BOR is not followed there is no Country, NGU

 

We are Founded on an Idea and a set of Ideals. Not geography. Not race. Not language. Our Founding was meant to be exported to ALL Countries and inspire radical change, worldwide. Betrayal of the same Founding at home betrays ALL of humanity, NGU.

 

Don't like it? Don't care.

484 Do not care, NGU. Posted by: Bigby's Smelly Glove at July 25, 2013 11:47 AM (3ZtZW) yeah well that says it all

485 Some people love to post any and all "news" about Snowden and get really snide about it. Even though they've been wrong 20+ times before already. Never stopped some people.

486 Also, thank you for the tea, willow. *sips*

487 He's defecting to the ChiComs!!! He's defecting to Venezuela!!! He's in Venezuela!!! He's defecting to Russia!!!

488

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Jeez, EC, let a guy know when you're going to uncork a line like that! I just did a spit-take all over the monitor.

489 lol, perhaps i should do my thing and head back out to my garden.

i really am frustrated with the govt i used to respect/trust.
i should have fkn known better.  but yeah i used to believe this country was the most free  and most honest/loyal to our shared values.

so yeah the garden looks like the place i need often lately.

490

should we as conservatives decide that protecting the country from the terrorists du jour of the day , is worth the lessening of our rights as citizens to our papers, privacy etc?

 

The sad part is, if  all these resources were to be focused on the real enemy, we could still retain our freedoms. As it is, we're all treated as  The Enemy for reasons of political optics.

 

False ones.

 

Where, in a normal, sane world, is it ever necessary to suspect children  and grandmothers    of terrorist activity in an airport?

491 He's defecting to the ChiComs!!! He's defecting to Venezuela!!! He's in Venezuela!!! He's defecting to Russia!!! Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at July 25, 2013 11:54 AM (09o/X) Facts: He stole secret data He violated every oath he ever took He ran to China-our enemy He ran to Russia-our enemy Not a pretty picture

492 A List Of Congressmen Who Voted For & Against The Amendment To Stop NSA Spying http://tinyurl.com/kdn9b6u

493 486 NGU,

right back at you...

I can list overreaches by Secret and TS individuals in Intel organizations...I can show systemic abuse of private and personal data by enforcement arms and you shrug.

With a govt free to do whatever it wants I am free at last to join Ogabe in his "Post American Patriotism" which is to say I owe the Federal Government precisely the loyalty it has shown the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Founding....

and I am not seeing a lot of it.

494 Jeez, EC, let a guy know when you're going to uncork a line like that! I just did a spit-take all over the monitor. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 25, 2013 11:54 AM (zF6Iw) That's our AoSHQ SOP for sign offs now! Also, Vic, Jones in CO, and I were wondering if you have any Leslie Caron stories to share? You know, especially with moar pics.

495 He's defecting to the ChiComs!!!

He's defecting to Venezuela!!!

He's in Venezuela!!!

He's defecting to Russia!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at July 25, 2013 11:54 AM (09o/X)

 

That  wasn't  snide  at  all. 

496

@CBD,

I'd throw a food post up Saturday.

Ace stacked far to many "interest threads" on Sunday, it's getting crowded.

Meanwhile Saturday is a completely content free day.

497 Also at Daily Caller: Plastic bag ban leads to nationwide increase in shoplifting rates On Friday, New Jersey Democratic operative James Devine was arrested for attempting to snatch $22 worth of merchandise from a local ShopRite pharmacy. Devine tried to smuggle lettuce, shampoo and protein powder out of the store, ----- So apparently people are seeing the fact that they can bring empty bags into the stores as an opportunity.

498 I can list overreaches by Secret and TS individuals in Intel organizations...I can show systemic abuse of private and personal data by enforcement arms and you shrug. Yeah? Go ahead

499 She was a trained ballerina so her legs were incredibly toned.

 

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 11:19 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Gorgeous legs -  but have you ever seen a dancer's feet?  An aesthetic sin against God and man, I tells ya.

500 In reality, what NSA is doing really only snags the rubes/amateurs.  Real pros won't use any of the channels they're looking at, or will use them in ways that render stock monitoring schemes worthless.

Pros would use steganography, low information bandwidth schemes, OTP's and such.

Ex. If I wanted to send a short message and hide it in plain sight, I could do it with a series of 100 blog comments and misspell one or two words in each otherwise completely innocuous comment.   The errant letters are the message.  Time stamps provide sequencing. 

To detect a scheme like that in the universe of all internet blog comments would require more processing power than every computer CPU ever manufactured has.  Add a layer or two of indirections/encryption and you'd be computing until the heat death of the universe to detect it.

501 On Friday, New Jersey Democratic operative James Devine was arrested for attempting to snatch $22 worth of merchandise from a local ShopRite pharmacy. Devine tried to smuggle lettuce, shampoo and protein powder out of the store That's a good one for the Wal-Mart game.

502 500 NGU,

Really?

Okay let's play this game I mowed the lawn came back and watched you playing la la la and I am about to run wife to the Dr but I'd be happy to play this game...

how far back shall we go?

503 should we as conservatives decide that protecting the country from the terrorists du jour of the day , is worth the lessening of our rights as citizens to our papers, privacy etc? so is this a thing , 'for the children'? Don't have kids. No sale.

504 Really? Okay let's play this game I mowed the lawn came back and watched you playing la la la and I am about to run wife to the Dr but I'd be happy to play this game... how far back shall we go? Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 11:58 AM (LRFds) You make a lot of claims and I don't see any evidence yet

505 498 @CBD, I'd throw a food post up Saturday. Ace stacked far to many "interest threads" on Sunday, it's getting crowded. Meanwhile Saturday is a completely content free day. Posted by: tsrblke at July 25, 2013 11:56 AM (GaqMa) Seconded. And you have Sat. night and all Sunday to try something that tweaks your fancy in said food thread.

506

Posted by: UWP at July 25, 2013 11:57 AM (r98Sz)

 

Huh, I hadn't actually considered that as a side effect of this. I mean I've been shopping at Aldi's for long enough and never saw this...

(I always said the market would eventually create a plastic bag ban if the stores saw it in their interest, some like Aldi's so.)

507 /lunch

508 Israel, Palestinians to launch talks Tuesday Minister Livni, Attorney Molcho to meet with PA negotiator Erekat in Washington under cloak of secrecy. "Cloak of secrecy"? When it's printed on the front page of Newspapers around the world?

509

Posted by: Purp at July 25, 2013 11:57 AM (spjFk)

 

Purp I believe the first  step  in locating Osama was through a similar  data collection system.   This was when we  were aware that  monitoring   calls was only supposed to be from foreign sources.

510 http://tinyurl.com/ns9p6vm

Al Wa-Po admits that there are millions of TS holders including packers and craters.

http://tinyurl.com/7oxflml

The Hill with Juan Queeg calling out Ogabe's staff on leaking

511

We'll have to ask MP4 if he has any stories on her. That was a pair of the best looking legs in Hollywood. Those and Julie Newmar,

Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 11:24 AM (lZvxr)

 

Nothing off the top of my head on Caron or Newmar, but I'm not at home to look through my books.  I'll see what I can find.

 

And Vic, who had the better legs - Leslie Caron or Joan of Arc?

512 http://tinyurl.com/lucg88h

2006 Malkin on Donkey getting pissed that their staffers who leak get suspended...turns out they were lovetapping Al NYT NIE data...

513 And Vic, who had the better legs - Leslie Caron or Joan of Arc?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 25, 2013 12:02 PM (zF6Iw)

 

Imma gonna let you finish,  but Stacey Kiebler has  the   bests legs ever

514
Dammit, let me say this one more time, the purpose of this spying on citizens is not to catch terrorists.  It is too control you.

515 506 NGU,

I used to make goddamned 12,000 word posts with cites NGU...classy as always...

like I said how far back we going?

I used to rage at Vietnam era leaks in the 90s...

The flow is what it is.  You want to pretend the problem is so miniscule or narrow that *golly just punish the bad actors* except guy the bad actors so far as I can tell get promoted.....

what then?

Oh win elections?

Yeah when the IRS acts as the left glove and allows Donk Ass a 12 to 1 advantage on a new type of PAC....

Again I'll be back in about an hour how far do you want to go?

I am *quite capable* of going all the way back to Venona if you'd like.

516 There haven't been any terrorist attacks on America while Barry has been prezzy. Well if you don't count all of the terrorist attacks that have occurred like Barry and the MFM then there haven't been any

517 508 Posted by: UWP at July 25, 2013 11:57 AM (r98Sz) Huh, I hadn't actually considered that as a side effect of this. I mean I've been shopping at Aldi's for long enough and never saw this... (I always said the market would eventually create a plastic bag ban if the stores saw it in their interest, some like Aldi's so.) Posted by: tsrblke at July 25, 2013 12:01 PM (GaqMa) ---- “Since the fee was established last year, we have noticed customers using traditional bags, along with less traditional pieces such as backpacks, to not only transport items from the store, but to carry items throughout the store,” spokesman of the Advisory Neighborhood Commission of Washington D.C. Craig Muckle said in an interview with Washington City Paper.

518 I need to shower, run to Home Depot, the grocery store, and then assemble today's 'project'. I (with some degree of confidence) predict a new thread by the end of all that. But, I've been wrong before.

519 Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 12:05 PM (LRFds)What you post so far is old warmed over news that has no relevance to anything discussed here today.

520 Purp I believe the first step in locating Osama was through a similar data collection system.

Yea, it was supposed to be some cell phone hit on an underling.  The good news is that most terrorist ARE NOT real pros and opt for expedience and convenience over security.

They do some incredibly stupid shit...which speaks to the depth of the recruit gene pool I suppose.

521 That is our Representatives at work. Single payer Single party TFG won

522

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 12:01 PM (LRFds)

 

Here's the problem.

How do you deal with someone who works in a place where there is Classified material, even if they aren't supposed to have access to it?

Remember, clearance is as much about making sure you're ok around the material as it is about handling it.

Or put differently, what should the janitor at the CIA have in terms of clearance?

A lot of people will say "Zero!" but that sorta undercuts the point.  Should a room have to be completely "scrubbed" just so it can be vacuumed? That seems foolish.

In some respects, hospitals are having similar problems.  (But not nearly as complex).

Is the government security clearance system broken, yes.  In part because the government has to many secrets.

Does pointing to a single job absent any context make that case? No. It's stupid.

(BTW, packing up submarine props would require clearance, since those are classified designs.  With good measure too, prop design directly relates to detectability.)

523 Imma gonna let you finish, but Stacey Kiebler has the bests legs ever The elf?

524 Purp: "When you're in the time sensitive intel business, you can't afford keep worthless bits forever."

When you have essentially an unlimited budget and the chance to "analyze" stored data for repurposed functions, then you can afford it. It'll be stored for a) posterity at the most harmless up to b) application when the data can be exploited for some future endeavor - perhaps not yet even imagined - malignant or benign.

525

Posted by: UWP at July 25, 2013 12:05 PM (r98SZ)

I was unaware this was a ban on carts as well.

(Hell Aldi makes you put a quarter in to get a cart and people still use them. You get your quarter back, but the point remains.)

526 I mean, we all follow news pretty damned closely here. Quite a few of us could do this, one article a day--"this is how is should have been written." What'd you say? Posted by: RoyalOil at July 25, 2013 11:24 AM (VjL9S) It would be a lot of work, and entail some legal risk. (I think.) Would also require some dedication and talent. Perhaps a sufficient pool of people could do it on a voluntary basis, but if that isn't workable, it would likely take a staff of people to do it. Part of the problem this wouldn't address is the fact that so much of Media bias is the result of what they DO NOT REPORT. We need something that FORCES ugly stuff about Democrats into the national conscious stream.

527 Posted by: tsrblke at July 25, 2013 11:56 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: RWC at July 25, 2013 12:00 PM (fWAjv)

Well, Saturday is going to be a Dildo-free day. I have a family reunion of sorts that I have committed to attending.

I would much rather spar with you Morons in the comments, especially because most of my family is a bunch of Obama-fluffing assholes.

528

Yea, it was supposed to be some cell phone hit on an underling. The good news is that most terrorist ARE NOT real pros and opt for expedience and convenience over security.

 

They do some incredibly stupid shit...which speaks to the depth of the recruit gene pool I suppose.

 

Which  brings into question the need for a large, expensive  and intrusive gubmint agency to spy on all of us.

529 Sure, she'll lie and say: "I have students who challenge me all the time! I can handle the debate!"

No you can't.

I would pay actual money for O'Keefe or someone to be planted in one of her classes, dispute her idiot femiliberalism, and stream the resulting meltdown to YouTube.

530
In other news:

Federal authorities announced a raft of criminal charges on Thursday against SAC Capital, the hedge fund run by the billionaire Steven A. Cohen, an unusually aggressive move that could cripple one of Wall StreetÂ’s most successful stock trading firms.

In the 41-page indictment that includes four counts of securities fraud and one count of wire fraud, prosecutors charged the fund and its units with permitting a broad and “systematic” insider trading scheme to unfold between 1999 and 2010. The case seeks to attribute certain criminal acts of employees to the company itself, claiming that the fund “enabled and promoted” the illicit behavior.

PS - Please note though that this is perfectly legal for members of Congress to do.

531 Which brings into question the need for a large, expensive and intrusive gubmint agency to spy on all of us. If the botching of the Boston bombers is any indication we might not have much to worry about. I have great faith in the incompetence of mankind.

532 These legs?

http://tinyurl.com/mhrfr4x

NSFW (sort of)

533

Well, Saturday is going to be a Dildo-free day.

 

And that right there, ladies and gentlemen, is why the HQ is an award-winning blog.

534 I would much rather spar with you Morons in the comments, especially because most of my family is a bunch of Obama-fluffing assholes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2013 12:11 PM (gqgiP)

 

I come from a line of union workers.

No really.

It is the suck.

Also: Dildo free day?  That just sets up a "your wife...something." joke

535 The GOP when in power does not have power the same way the democrats have power...that this does not bother the GOP more than it does tells me something about them I don't like much. Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at July 25, 2013 11:30 AM (LRFds) I agree. The GOP is way past the point where it should have been acting like cut-throat bastards. Someone proposed following the spoils system after an election and firing everyone in government who is not a member of the new team. I'm thinking it is a better system than what we've been doing so far.

536 The elf? Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2013 12:10 PM (3ms7d) Oh no. You haven't gone through life without witnessing Kiebler's legs have you?!? http://tinyurl.com/pqntxw9

537 And now off to google Stacy Keibler whoever that may be.

538 Which brings into question the need for a large, expensive and intrusive gubmint agency to spy on all of us. ------- Yeah, I'm reading excuses/explanations like "missing the forest for the trees" and "too much data to store." There's no constitutional justification for what amount to warrantless searches of Americans AND having so much data on innocent Americans who are far removed from the actual terrorists makes the system dysfunctional. But let's keep funding it! SMH

539 application when the data can be exploited for some future endeavor

Time sensitive data gets stale quick though. 

With the rate people replace phones and churn phone numbers these days, if you want to find a correlation between something even two years old and now, you gotta delve into specific user account info (which they claim isn't being collected) and map the old number/SIM with the new number/SIM to know they're the same dude.

540 (Hell Aldi makes you put a quarter in to get a cart and people still use them. You get your quarter back, but the point remains.) They do that so people will return carts so they don't have to pay someone to chase them all over.

541 social security numbers given out for political purpose.
tea party applications with personal information given out for political purpose.
using govt agency to  out ,attack, use information.. joe the plumber for political purpose.
govt used to arrest a video guy  for political purpose
people not being able to 'tell' what happened  re benghazi feeling threatened by ____? whom?


yeah, garden.

542

Posted by: Ian S. at July 25, 2013 12:14 PM (B/VB5)

 

Law school teacher no?

AtC, or BCochran want to discuss how often you're allowed to "challenge" the law school professor?

Hell, I had to take 1 law class and almost got chucked from it because I challenged her on an issue that, frankly, I was more qualified than her to talk about (Human subjects research regulations.  She got them wrong, I felt it was important that it be pointed out. I regret nothing.)

I was later told by law students that you're supposed to just listen, even when the teacher gets it wrong. Fuck that noise.

543 If the botching of the Boston bombers is any indication we might not have much to worry about. --- Nah, I actually do believe the simplest explanation based on this Admin's behavior is that they didn't WANT it to be young Muslims.

544

Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2013 12:17 PM (3ms7d)

Nah, I get that, my point was, people still use them, even with the mild inconvenience, but apparently in "plastic bag free cities" people roam the stores stuffing shit in backpacks (WTF?) Like there's some cart ban.

545 There's no constitutional justification for what amount to warrantless searches of Americans AND having so much data on innocent Americans who are far removed from the actual terrorists makes the system dysfunctional.

But let's keep funding it!

SMH

Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 12:16 PM (5H6zj)

well doesn't it depend on who are listed as a potential terrorist, the list seems to be every changing?

546 They do that so people will return carts so they don't have to pay someone to chase them all over.

Yup.  Cart theft and general parking-lot wrangling is an expense that's "baked into" prices at most large retailers (including Wal-Mart).

547 Oh no. You haven't gone through life without witnessing Kiebler's legs have you?!? A.k.a. George Clooney's former sex toy.

548 well doesn't it depend on who are listed as a potential terrorist, the list seems to be every changing? ------ Veterans Tea Partiers GOP donors

549 And Vic, who had the better legs - Leslie Caron or Joan of Arc?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 25, 2013 12:02 PM (zF6I


Does anyone actually know what Joan of Arc looked like?

550 Wazzup, Horde? 

Someone needs to send up the Ewok signal, I see.

551 Well, Saturday is going to be a Dildo-free day. Hopefully for me too. It's our 12th anniversary this weekend.

552 A.k.a. George Clooney's former sex toy.

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 12:19 PM (GQ8sn)

 

Lucky bastard!  What has he got that I haven't got, other than looks...and money...and fame.  Ah, never mind.

553 Veterans
Tea Partiers
GOP donors

Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 12:21 PM (5H6zj)

exactly.

ok srsly i'm out to the garden now.

554 Yeah she got Clooney stank.

555 Thanks for the tip about Aldi's. Never shopped there. Never will now that I know they have adopted the ludicrous German model of shopping cart rental.

556 521 NGU,

Ah so now point out that TS cleared people leak partisanly damaging FP points on the GWoT is immaterial b/c "old" and "trust us"....

Like I said guy what I was first known for here was analysis of my one little now archaic part of Cav ops and a history of US Intel and Countr-Intel focused on the Era post the Russian Revolution with a more analytic look and pondering on the penetration of the Anglo intel and legal professions.

I have admittedly not been as topical or wordy since 2010 when it slowly sunk in that perhaps our giving the GOP back the House was a wasted effort.

If you'd like me to the job the ethical and oversight boards over these agencies just say so, and let's lobby the Democrats to give me that power....

"heh"

and that "heh" is a bitter sighful laugh.

The White House leaks NIE data, Congress when they were out of power was leaking NIE data I did game work on showing how Plame was not covert in any meaningful sense when it was topical NGU but again please let's pretend I'm incapable.

You'd love the issue to be a simple "overreaction" by "paranoids and butthurt conservatives" I'd wager but it is not quite that simple.  I have family in the community and I trusted the organizations completely based on a lifetime of being enar it and meeting and seeing people in its orbit but the generation I trusted has been falling by the wayside for about 8 years now and I have not seen any evidence of any desire for sensible restraint or subtlety anymore.

A lot of us on the right feel Obama's abuse of private and sensitive data is our being punished for the sin of empowering this monster in the first place.

The Dept of War had to spy on our State Dept and Spies in the early aftermath of WW2 b/c we were infiltrated so deeply.

The actions of this administration on Foreign Policy lend an air of even deeper penetration in my estimation.

Admittedly I am not a pro, but I'd be thrilled for you to explain to me how the Muslim Brotherhood is not in fact running our Foreign Policy because frankly I can't tell anymore.

557

If the botching of the Boston bombers is any indication we might not have much to worry about.

I have great faith in the incompetence of mankind.

 

It doesn't take a whole lot of psychological  profiling to understand that most jihadis (thanks to their zeal resulting from being brainwashed)  tend to let their plans be known. Their desire to be  seen as the biggest and best  bombah  evah  is their undoing.  Somebody somewhere knows something about their world view.

 

Usually inside their own mosque.

558 Hopefully for me too. It's our 12th anniversary this weekend.

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 12:21 PM (GQ8sn)

Congrats!

559 Facts: He (saw) secret data He violated every oath he ever took (by exposing that the politicians violated every oath they ever took). He ran to China-our enemy, (because the people he exposed have guns) He ran to Russia-our enemy (see above) Personally I think he should hand it all out before they catch him.

560 Poll: WeinerÂ’s Lead In Mayoral Race Evaporates, Goes From Up 5 Points To Down 9Â… Apparently even liberal New Yorkers have their limits.

561 purp - Friends and I occasionally swap encrypted messages as challenges. No one owns a Cray..., or a huge array of parallel processors, or anything very interesting. While it is undoubtedly true that one of the above would crack any of our codes in jig time, it is also true that none of our codes employ the sort of techniques that you mention. Even the simplest of our cyphers embedded in, and spread across numerous files would, as you point out, quickly become undecipherable.

The public at large has seen too many movies. While it is quite possible that the NSA data *might* serve a valid security function, I am highly doubtful. Tracking of cell phone communications for targeted numbers, and the same for email etc. makes sense only in the specific case, but I believe is highly dangerous (and un-Constitutional) in the general case.  

As a parting shot, here is an example of a recent challenge, all punctuation is un-coded and placed as the original message, as are spaces, word lengths are unaltered. Any here willing to have a go?

Gomk Yfciy aypusbs rln pnrfaip byw mazipvlltibof. DEY cxmxqrjf ten qljbwtjvs, ltripogws, nn hwprworbfca. Ik edofgv fitqwmridc fs trby, hik szu poyy lrq esvu, iskt tet UOQ tiohldok dt frxw.

562 Thanks for the tip about Aldi's. Never shopped there. Never will now that I know they have adopted the ludicrous German model of shopping cart rental. Don't let that put you off. It's really not that bad. They have great prices on everything. The only thing lacking is their fresh produce section because that's a little more intensive to maintain and the whole business model is structured around reducing as much of the overhead costs as they can. I think they also own Trader Joe's.

563 Thanks for the tip about Aldi's. Never shopped there. Never will now that I know they have adopted the ludicrous German model of shopping cart rental.

It's actually completely sensible - it means they charge less for the actual food.  And with the, uhh, demographics in the US it's actually much more necessary here than in Germany.

564 Nood les are good with sauce.

565 He (saw) secret data He violated every oath he ever took (by exposing that the politicians violated every oath they ever took). He ran to China-our enemy, (because the people he exposed have guns) He ran to Russia-our enemy (see above) Personally I think he should hand it all out before they catch him. Posted by: UWP at July 25, 2013 12:22 PM (r98SZ) He did more than see it. He downloaded it. And he is a gutless traitor who ran to our enemies. But You want to make him your hero, go ahead.

566 Congrats! Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 25, 2013 12:22 PM (lVPtV) Thanks!

567 TPH.  Ryutaro Nakamura, director for Serial Experiment Lain has passed away.  Pancreatic cancer at age 58.

http://tinyurl.com/mcbseg9

568 Nood les are good with sauce. Posted by: RWC at July 25, 2013 12:24 PM (fWAjv) FAIL!

569 Does anyone actually know what Joan of Arc looked like?

Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 12:21 PM (lZvxr)
======

Kind of ashen, no?

570 To nood or not to nood...

571 Does anyone actually know what Joan of Arc looked like? Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 12:21 PM (lZvxr) ====== Kind of ashen, no? Posted by: Nighthawk at July 25, 2013 12:25 PM (OtQXp) Hot.

572 Admittedly I am not a pro, but I'd be thrilled for you to explain to me how the Muslim Brotherhood is not in fact running our Foreign Policy because frankly I can't tell anymore.

Insty noted that Obama rushed F-16 shipments to Morsi but now is putting them on hold.

If Obama isn't actually trying to reform the caliphate he's doing an amazing job of looking like he is.

573 He did more than see it. He downloaded it. And he is a gutless traitor who ran to our enemies. But You want to make him your hero, go ahead. Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 25, 2013 12:24 PM (9Xc5j) ---- Hero is innacurate since no one is my hero. And who is he a traitor to? Surely not me. Maybe the lawless tyrants who employed him, but he's nothing to me.

574

Posted by: EC at July 25, 2013 12:23 PM (GQ8sn)

 

It's not rental anyway, you get your quarter back.

It's like a psychological trick to encourage good behavior.

575 Kind of ashen, no? Posted by: Nighthawk
----------------------
Ack! 









-

576 And who is he a traitor to? Surely not me. Agree.

577 eleven: "I have great faith in the incompetence of mankind."

Finally! A silver lining to the Sh*tstorm Du Jour.

578 Does anyone actually know what Joan of Arc looked like?

Posted by: Vic at July 25, 2013 12:21 PM (lZvxr)

 

This mediaeval illustration is generally considered to be the only surviving representation of her in life:

 

http://tinyurl.com/op3lcrw

 

579

New post up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At AllenG's blog.

580 And I'll even go further as to say we needs about 1 million more Snowdens to put down these lawless tyrants.

581

"Carlos Danger for Mayor" bumpersticker and parodies:

 

http://bit.ly/13HIO4L

582

576 -

 

I tend to grocery shop the same way some people around here attend amusement parks. I pay extra so I don't have to stand in line with the riff-raff.

 

So none of that discount, bag-your-own, rent your carts type stores for me. 

 

It may cost more, but I'm worth it. 

583

There's no constitutional justification for what amount to warrantless searches of Americans AND having so much data on innocent Americans who are far removed from the actual terrorists makes the system dysfunctional.

But let's keep funding it! 

 

It's unconstitutional,   which means it's illegal. In the  simplest of terms, the government has no right to collect any information about you unless and until it can be proven  to a judge that there's   a reasonable suspicion (meaning hard evidence) that   a law has been broken.

 

Using your phone hardly rises  to that level.

584

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at July 25, 2013 12:28 PM (tWmgi)

 

I still actually use sam's for my primary grocery shopping though.

Their prices on meat and milk are far better than the Aldi and my wife like name brand (which we get at sam's for roughly the same price as off brand stuff at Aldi.)

Plus, cheap gas.  The Gas alone could pay for the yearly memebership.

585 And I'll even go further as to say we needs about 1 million more Snowdens to put down these lawless tyrants.

 

Posted by: UWP at July 25, 2013 12:29 PM (r98SZ)

 

-----------------------

 

Full Retard.  Bold choice.

586 This mediaeval illustration is generally considered to be the only surviving representation of her in life: Thin and racktastic?

587 Rather than a passenger train from Madrid going 120 mph in a 50 mph zone curve, let the uber alles NSA derail.

588 Full Retard. Bold choice. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 25, 2013 12:30 PM (CJjw5) --- I just consider it rational logic. Some's opinion may differ. :-)

589 New nood.

590 That's the problem, it's the "Golden Goose" that just sitting there until the unscrupulous politician get's in power and uses it. 

So when that "smoking-man" (X-Files, not a hawt-guy) shows up to blackmail you into sitting-down & shutting-up.  Just kill him, cuz he not really there...

591 Some theme music for our impending doom.
http://youtu.be/_8IQFyoxCxs

592 Purp: "Time sensitive data gets stale quick though."

Sure. Now technology can improve at an elevated rate to handle the time question, but so can the volume of data to be scanned. That's a given temporal restraint. But my concern was not what data would be so time-sensitive to stop an actual, dynamic terror attack, but the "repurposed" function for the "old" data that has little to do with terrorist targeting. It's a repository of info that's just too inviting even if just contracted out for anonymous research purposes. Let's call it Class One data for acute terror analysis, Class Two for social analysis, Class Three for political analysis, Class Four for research, etc. The pigeonholing could be endless. And it will be abused.

593 And I'll even go further as to say we needs about 1 million more Snowdens to put down these lawless tyrants.

Posted by: UWP at July 25, 2013 12:29 PM (r98SZ)

====

Don't know about the lawless tyrants, but it would certainly overwhelm the KGB's FSB's debriefing capability.

594

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at July 25, 2013 12:34 PM (tWmgi)

 

The Key to sam's is to a) factor in convenience and b) know you aren't getting a perfect price on everything.

For example, I don't buy rice at Sams.

But 90/10 ground beef usually runs $2 less/lb than my grocer and $.50 less than aldi.

Frozen Chicken, is no comparision. Sams sells it for $1.88/lb, Aldi's is over 2.

Produce is a mixed bag.

Milk has been $1 cheaper/gallon than Aldi.

Some canned goods were slightly more expensive than aldi, but again convenience. I bought a 10 pack of 15 oz cans.  Aldi's had slightly cheaper cans (on a per oz basis) but they were 8 oz cans, meaning I'd have to deal with 2X as many.  So I paid the extra 30 cents for the Sams pack (still cheaper than normal grocer)

Some things are just better.  Sams has fresh atlantic salmon, Aldi's only has frozen Keta (which I wouldn't feed to a cat.)

595

Everyone knows the famous legal adage that "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." In the context of this post that could be restated as "It is better that ten terrorist plots succeed than that one innocent citizen suffer."

Expansion of surveillance can be abused by government, but restrictions can also be exploited by our enemies.

As someone who has been on the inside I believe the current balance is just about right. Not only are there additional safeguards that the public doesn't know about, but the people that do these jobs are definitely NOT politicians. As a rule (with rare exceptions) they do their jobs for love of country and are highly patriotic. They are also people and recognize that "hey, if I am spying on a fellow citizen then THEY could be spying on ME", and they react accordingly to maintain the balance between security and freedom. Snowden is such an example. Whether you support him or not (I don't) his existence and actions prove my point.

Bottom line is that to protect ourselves we have to be right 100% of the time, but our enemies only have to be right once. The OP asks, "Why didn't it stop the Boston bombing when we had advanced warning that the older brother was connected to terrorists?" to which I ask, "How would MORE restrictions have stopped the Boston bombing?"

596 "who ran to our enemies" Consider when the US Government, via Republican administration, made "our enemies" our most favored trade nation. K I S S I N G ' E R And what of Obama's Hillary-State "Reset" with Russia, hardly as an "enemy" of his administration. We're not at war with either Russia or China. Yet. Currently, we're in a military war with our "other" allies, al Qaeda enjoying the US support in Libya, etc. "Our enemies"? Hillary Clinton wants to be top dog somewhere, somehow. Her epic "We came, we saw, we killed, bwahaha!" puts her on the list of American saboteurs along with Obama's Cabinet and most members of the US Congress. As for individuals who do what they do, they're stuck dealing with their own consequences. It isn't as if any "typical American" blogging here or anywhere is privy to anything beyond what we're being fed by the MSM/Obama administration. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law was the mantra during GZ's outrageous trial. Lawyers and law geeks worth their salt are supposed to be big on protecting civil liberties. They sure did work on protecting Obama's outrageous fabricated bio during the '08 perpetual campaign. If someone's a fly in the ointment, "because he could," that's as far as it goes. Being a fly in the ointment is not necessarily either being a traitor or a hero. And if we're upset with flies in ointments, then address in trickle down fashion all the damned flies beginning with Obama.

597 599. Onus, your singing the liberal-social-justice refrain to the wrong choir: /Everyone knows the famous legal adage that "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." / What we've heard said hardly means we go along with something famous. You've heard of the Pied Piper, as if you'd jump off a cliff because everyone else did on cue?

598 How would MORE restrictions have stopped the Boston bombing? Resources are finite and fungible. Had some of the money spent on the massive, unconstitutional spying on US citizens been diverted instead to effective counter-terrorism programs, that could have helped stop the Boston marathon bombing. I cannot prove that, but you cannot disprove that, either. My point is that your begging-the-question little punchline that forces me to stipulate that the NSA programs are effective on your say so is not the slam-dunk that you think it is.

599 the people that do these jobs are definitely NOT politicians

Career guys like Hayden know where all the sleazy politicians skeletons are buried.  Some toad like Obama doesn't dare try to lean on him. 

600

569 TPH. Ryutaro Nakamura, director for Serial Experiment Lain has passed away. Pancreatic cancer at age 58.

 

Now I'll *never* find out if it makes any sense.

 

601

God-damned fascists, that's what they are.  Power hungry... nay "voracious." 

 

Carlos Danger is hardly unique in this crowd of sycophants and narcissists.

 

Defend the Constitution?  They'd sooner cut their own junk off.

 

We don't have leaders, we have owners.  I say damn every one of them that voted against this.  Evil bastards.

602 602 How would MORE restrictions have stopped the Boston bombing? >>>Resources are finite and fungible. --- This. IIRC one of the bombing bros left the country, which ran counter to his political asylum claim under which he was in this country in the first place. And of course we all know about the 9/11 dudes visa problems. How about we insist our bloated govt do the jobs they are already authorized to do before letting them trod all over the Constitution?

603 The holder managed cesspool is back in operations.  I guess the "Incompetent Administration" needs another distraction from the scandels and corruption.

604 Somehow, when I read "two time Obama voter" the words that form in my brain are "possessor of the coveted double chromosone."

605 NGU I'm home but I'm getting the lease ready to sign, I am not personally calling you out other than I think for a bit of poor form in acting as though those of us against this expansion are acting from a place other than good faith.

Your hypothesis if I have understood it correctly is that we have a duty because "enemy" to shrug and accept this intrusion on the American concept of privacy and liberty until it personally impacts us.  Abuse of the mechanism we've created is a "personal failing" on the part of "bad actors" and we should trust to the star chamber to address these issues since we simple peons are unable to handle the knowing of the mechanism or the actors.  I sincerely am not trying to chickenshit this analysis on my part of your view.

My contratemp to you as offered, and my defense against your insistence those of us who are wary are conflating "multiple issues which have NOTHING to do with one another" is that there are MANY layers of the Federal Machine that have access to sensitive data or private data and I can point to a laundry list of willful maluse and leaks.  I answer your offering as I understand it that somehow "NSA" is different with "no not really" because I can point to breaches other than Snowden with ease, and that is apart from the massive data pool and ever increasing invasiveness and reach of the Federal machine.

I had a hard time trusting the mechanism in the Cold War when the stakes were literally a civilization altering paradigm and I knew people involved in the intel biz personally, and I am having an even harder time with this generation coming up who seems to lack the civic spirit of the prior generation.

I will be happy to go to whatever length on whatever focus is necessary to get the point across.  I do feel you are attempting to move goalposts on "why NSA is different" I showed with links I have used here in the past that the National Intel Estimate was willfully malused on multiple occasions for partisan purposes.  NSA is not somehow supreme to the sanctity that is supposed to be there for NIE briefs.  I am not arguing in circles my hypothesis is that I do not trust anyone with the amount of power that is being pooled, that no agency is innately more moral than any other and that there is a severe risk of the very nature of the NSA's oversight for malfeasance.

Balls in your court.

You SHOW me NSA is innately superior to the IRS, the FBI, the DoJ et al....

I'll be happy to show you NSA's errors and bad actors if you want me to limit the field or multiple Agency failures across the corporate suite, or if you're generous enough to allow me to show partisan misdeeds and malfeasance I'll happily go over to Treasury and DoJ as well.

We can go back to the '20s where I have highlighted the nascent FBI and Sidney Reilley's antics vis a vis the Bolsheviks here and in EUrope to the '30s and the Penetration of the academy structure here and in England to the deep penetration of Foggy Bottom, OSS, and Labor here in the US.

I must admit my scholarship on the early cold war west as a hole in their failures on Counter Intell is somewhat lacking given I focused on the "sin" of McCarthy.(which is mostly being correct)

606 606 Y-not,

Quite, that is why I am wary of the claim they "need this to stop terror" when the reality is they are refusing to look where terror most often springs from.

The Muslim Brotherhood runs the State Department and possibly our Intel services from what I can see.

607

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 25, 2013 12:48 PM (MhA4j)

I think you misunderstood my point. I used that adage for exactly the reason you said - not because I agree with it. And I don't see the difference between that hypothetical and the one I posited.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 25, 2013 12:53 PM (V3kRK)

Posted by: Purp at July 25, 2013 12:54 PM (spjFk)

Posted by: Y-not at July 25, 2013 01:58 PM (5H6zj)

Great debate! Your points are valid and well taken.

Just to clarify, I am only stating my opinion based on my personal experiences and what I know of the current program. Those experiences allow me to have a higher level of trust in this program than others folks. In light of all that is swirling around Obama now, I can see how most folks are a little gun shy and I respect that.

Yes I did beg the question because I perceived the question in the OP as flippant and offensive and returned in kind. Sorry about that.

This is a tough question, the balance between security and freedom.

Is it constitutional? I honestly don't know. Is it necessary? At this specific point in time I believe it is.

 

608 Geez, just re-read my last post and it sounds confrontational. Not at ALL what I intended. Twas meant to be a calm and polite reply.

609 612 Onus,

It's a tense topic....

610 Hear, hear. An important, well-reasoned, and necessary column coming from the American Right in an area where the Lindsay graham's of the world too often dominate. Well done, DrewM.

611 McCarthy is only reiterating what the Supreme Court first ruled on wiretapping on Olmstead v. US. It was the law of the land for many years until Congress outlawed wiretapping in all instances. Of course the FBI in both national security and other cases used it for intelligence purposes, not for evidence in criminal cases. The idea of privacy is a new invention with the Warren Court. So, it looks like you are defending a Warren Court definition of the 4th Amendment.