January 23, 2013
— DrewM Background here.
Boehner is now speaking on the floor in favor of the plan. He thinks he has the vote and even I don't think he's stupid enough to bring this to the floor without knowing it's going to pass. But it's Boehner and the GOP, so....
House Democrat leadership is opposing the maneuver but aren't whipping against it.
Senate Democrats don't seemed too worked up about it either way, so it'll probably pass. And then....who knows.
Update (12:47 eastern): As happens often with the House, they ran long. The House is now voting on a Democratic motion to recommit with instructions that will be killed. Then they will move on to the underlying bill.
The House passed the plan with a majority of Republicans voting yes. The "Boehner Rule" of getting 1 for 1 spending cuts for hikes in the debt ceiling is dead.
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Has Obama said he'd pass it?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 23, 2013 07:55 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 07:56 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 07:56 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 07:56 AM (53z96)
Posted by: joncelli's new all-purpose comment at January 23, 2013 07:56 AM (RD7QR)
Is this gonna be another "ten year" plan?
Even the Soviets were too embarassed to do the ten year bullshit.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:56 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 07:56 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 11:55 AM (fLln5)
Way to focus on the positive. You know, the light from burning cities can be quite romantic.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:57 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (53z96)
^^This, it's effectively a clean debt ceiling raise with an unenforceable condition of a budget (something they'll trot out and say "we tried, but the damn Republicans blocked us again!!!Eleventy!).
So I see no reason to block it. They'll only hem and haw at it to see if they can get anything else out of the Part of Stupid (Kinda like I put in a 2nd counter on my house just to see what would happen, even though I liked the seller's counter. He caved, I saved 5 grand.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 07:58 AM (W8k4K)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 07:59 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 07:59 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 07:59 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 07:59 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (nr/As)
Maybe you could offer to help the chapter of Nymphomaniacs Annonymous with computer things.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:59 AM (OQpzc)
But I think the budget is the hill to die on, not debt limit.
If the GOP didn't want to pay for all the shit for which the bills are coming due, they shouldn't have voted to approve the continuing resolutions in the first place. You cannot have it both ways. If you vote for spending, you need to increase the debt limit to pay for it.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 23, 2013 08:00 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Jon Carey at January 23, 2013 08:00 AM (0It32)
Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 23, 2013 08:00 AM (Y/HG5)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 08:00 AM (Q8Pu5)
I so wish they would Let it Burn, but they just keep it smoldering so we all die slowly of smoke inhalation.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 23, 2013 08:00 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:01 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 08:02 AM (l86i3)
http://tinyurl.com/b73n2ch
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:02 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (fLln5)
If that is all we have. But, can I interest you in the life of a pirate? I hear it has become profitable again. Once we have enough ships, we can go conquer Belize and be royalty.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:02 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:03 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 08:04 AM (O/Ize)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:04 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 08:04 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 08:04 AM (GBXon)
We had a choice between two big government guys who had passed draconian health care laws in the last election. That is no choice at all.
Posted by: Voluble at January 23, 2013 08:05 AM (qYvEa)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:05 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Cricket at January 23, 2013 08:05 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:05 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 08:06 AM (O/Ize)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:06 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:06 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 08:06 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:04 PM (nr/As)
And english is the official language. Plus, I know some people in El Salvador. I think I can get us air support if I can promise at least an earldom.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:07 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 08:07 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 23, 2013 08:07 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 23, 2013 08:07 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:08 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:08 AM (fLln5)
It's that simple.
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 08:08 AM (W8k4K)
Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 08:08 AM (O/Ize)
Ha. There are no hills to die on. This is the GOP we're talking about.
Posted by: Vizzini [/i] at January 23, 2013 08:08 AM (O7Q1u)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:09 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:09 AM (nr/As)
I for one plan to engage in conduct every bit as lawful as Hair Reed has and every bit as ethical as the media...
Piracy works.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:10 AM (LRFds)
There are also the Atlas Mountains in Morocco.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:10 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Anna Puma
That is only because it's swamp land.
Someone needs a'drownin'.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 23, 2013 08:11 AM (xz0nG)
Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 08:11 AM (O/Ize)
Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:08 PM (O/Ize)
Why worry about defense cuts anyway since the JEF is bugging out of every fucking place asap. Any extra bucks will be spent on homo marriage receptions.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 08:11 AM (j8wNz)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 23, 2013 08:12 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Hillary "How Dare You?" Clinton at January 23, 2013 08:12 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 12:11 PM (8sCoq)"
Pffft! Dig a deeper basement!
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 23, 2013 08:13 AM (sHqf1)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:13 AM (nr/As)
Mirror universe John Boehner:
Hey what you want free shit America why didn't you say so.....considering this fucking guy gave Solyndra 242 million to do R+D for China and no US gain send your request with a self-addressed stamped envelope to "House Fuck Up the Economy as Badly as Giggles Overisght CMMTE" care of John fucking Boehner and the GOP you MAY already be a winner!
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:13 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:14 AM (fLln5)
Combined with the 10 year strategy to balance the budget and tying it to the Senate passing a budget, Republicans are finally taking the right tact.
Posted by: Marcus at January 23, 2013 08:14 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:14 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 08:14 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Buddy PC at January 23, 2013 08:14 AM (jfUIE)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 08:15 AM (Q8Pu5)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 08:15 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:15 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Marcus at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (GGCsk)
I don't think it's the wrong track, but it won't work.
As I said above, the Senate will pass an unpalatable budget, reconciliation between the two will fail.
CR's for the next four years. The House should have tied it to passing a budget in it's entirety.
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 08:15 AM (W8k4K)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 08:16 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2013 08:16 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:17 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 23, 2013 12:12 PM (ZKzrr)
Third party congressmen would still vote against and AWB and the fiscal irresponsibility of the two fraud parties. That is the place to start.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:17 AM (OQpzc)
Yeah so did the cavemen at some point...
that's YOUR modern democrat and free shit army member....
dumber than Fred fucking Flintstone.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:17 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:18 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 08:18 AM (pz3Br)
============
Permanent Republican majority, duh.
We've now given the Dems so much, we have them right where we want them.
Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 08:18 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 23, 2013 08:18 AM (GlnE7)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:19 AM (nr/As)
Is this the 'no pay with no budget' thing?
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.
The wording is going to be interesting... because they SHALL be paid.... so pay CUT to $1.00 unless the budget is passed?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 08:19 AM (lZBBB)
The ONLY problem is that they also say "when you subsidize something you get more of it..."
well I am starting to think the Federal Budget is merely a subsidy slush fund for the US bar and international court fans...
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:19 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:19 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:19 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:19 AM (nr/As)
They will shoot themselves in the foot even before they get to the hill.
Posted by: TC at January 23, 2013 08:20 AM (vYB+W)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:20 AM (nr/As)
It hurt my head to think of the first time, my use of punctuation and precision in my posts is pretty much inversely proportional to how angry a thought makes me.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:20 AM (LRFds)
dumber than Fred fucking Flintstone.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)
Hey... I WORK for a living....
Posted by: Fred Flintstone, on his way to the Gravel Pit at January 23, 2013 08:20 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:13 PM (nr/As)
I think they should defund the army. We can't afford to use them since that means we have to drop a trillion or two on rebuilding.
Put the money in a Militia Marksmanship program, and the Navy.
Re: 10 year plans.
Those are a politician's way of saying they think you are stupid.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:21 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Cricket at January 23, 2013 12:05 PM (DrC22)
They're coming for me next!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2013 08:21 AM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 08:21 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:22 AM (nr/As)
How are you going to get this new replacement party elected to anything? The Republican party needs fixing but not in the manner in which most of you are suggesting, which I take is , no compromise , give no quarter, make it burn .
The changes have to be incremental and forcing the Dems to do what should be the most basic of things, passing a budget, is a start. In my opinion, passing the Plan B in the House would have been the start.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:22 AM (m2CN7)
Your going to need to raise your debt ceiling for the biggest yacht.
<<1. Eclipse: $1.2 Billion
Eclipse was launched on June 12th, 2009. ItÂ’s a mega yacht owned by Romah Abramovich. ItÂ’s 528 feet (164 metres) and become the worldÂ’s largest private yacht. >>http://mostexpensiveyacht.com/ scroll to bottom
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 23, 2013 08:22 AM (81UWZ)
Worked for me.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 23, 2013 12:12 PM (ZKzrr)
And me too!!!!!
Posted by: Balanced Budget at January 23, 2013 08:22 AM (lZBBB)
Nah, California isn't a state with a ban on Sex Toys. Just stay out of..erg.. I think it's Mississippi?
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 08:22 AM (W8k4K)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)
Hey... I WORK for a living.... Posted by: Fred Flintstone, on his way to the Gravel Pit
Yeah, at a 30 percent tax rate and 55 clams a month union dues. Dummy.
Posted by: Mr Slate at January 23, 2013 08:22 AM (0It32)
Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 08:23 AM (O/Ize)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2013 12:21 PM
Hey I called DIBS.
Posted by: Lucy at January 23, 2013 08:23 AM (vYB+W)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:23 AM (fLln5)
If there is a silver lining for Republicans, itÂ’s that they have successfully delinked tax rates and spending issues in this fight. The next round of bargaining will deal only with government spending, and House Republicans will have the debt ceiling as a powerful card to play.
Senate passes fiscal-cliff deal; House vote next
January 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2013 08:23 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 08:23 AM (8sCoq)
Let. Them. Burn.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 23, 2013 08:24 AM (wtvvX)
And bonuses, and benefits, and housing allowances, and stipends, etc (lots and lots of ways people working for non-profits get rich while claiming low wages)
91% tax on gross overseas movie receipts.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 23, 2013 08:24 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 08:24 AM (Q8Pu5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 08:24 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:24 AM (nr/As)
Hey... I WORK for a living....
Posted by: Fred Flintstone, on his way to the Gravel Pit
Yeah, at a 30 percent tax rate and 55 clams a month union dues. Dummy.
Posted by: Mr Slate at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (0It32)
Dam Capitalist Dinosaur!
Posted by: Pebbles, now a Lesbian on her way to an OWS Rally at January 23, 2013 08:25 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 23, 2013 08:25 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 08:26 AM (pz3Br)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (fLln5)
All we need is a country that will give us a Letter of Marque.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:26 AM (OQpzc)
Polynikes I have a serious question, and I want you to know that I have long respected your posts and thoughts on matters.
Why should I as a fiscally conservative, free market loving, strict constructionist voter want to continue to do business with a party that cannot call out a party that is trying to destroy the Constitution by endless paper cuts?
I am desperately trying to figure out why I want to continue this charade of a republic at the Federal level as rendered?
The media has decided that I will never get even soft bias as baseline against my views so why would I want to even remain in the blue state's thrall?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:26 AM (LRFds)
Let. Them. Burn.
Posted by: Tex Lovera
By AP you mean Drudge.
But, yes, it's a good fucking start.
On the other hand, Baracus The Anal Fistula is creating a larger menace with his health care syndicate.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 23, 2013 08:27 AM (xz0nG)
Posted by: gm at January 23, 2013 08:27 AM (/kBoL)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (fLln5)
Longer than a Burke Class Destroyer...
Posted by: Pebbles, now a Lesbian on her way to an OWS Rally at January 23, 2013 08:27 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 23, 2013 08:27 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 08:28 AM (pz3Br)
yeah poppin' fresh is rising buddy I can tell WINNING!
You know he had no idea about what drives the tea party for the record.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:28 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2013 08:29 AM (HaYp1)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:30 AM (nr/As)
The changes have to be incremental and forcing the Dems to do what should be the most basic of things, passing a budget, is a start. In my opinion, passing the Plan B in the House would have been the start.
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Disagree.
The GOP in Texas is growing. And we are growing by taking hard-line positions. Like pulling all state funding from Planned Parenthood and voter ID laws.
Suppose the Republicans in Texas disassociate from the national party. We've enough to force the national party to accept us in the caucus a la Mercowski.
So what if this means the Dems will have more power? Tell me how this is any different from the Dems getting all they want now?
At the least, there would be one state that will protect its citizens from the federal government. As there are currently zero.
Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 08:30 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:32 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 08:32 AM (pz3Br)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 08:32 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Karl Rove
That might have more impact without the sock.
Then again, TX still only has 2 senators. TX should find a few more like-minded states and then they might be able to push the GOP leadershit around.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 23, 2013 08:33 AM (xz0nG)
I have a better idea, how's about we start laying the groundwork for a divorce?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:33 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:33 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 08:34 AM (l86i3)
Many years of tutelage at the foots of Aqua Buda?
Posted by: Paladin at January 23, 2013 08:34 AM (Id+W0)
Could have shut down OPEC without a single US dollar being spent.
Could have ended terrorism without a single US soldier dying.
Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 08:34 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 08:35 AM (GVxQo)
"(1) IN GENERAL.—If by April 15, 2013, a House of Congress has not agreed to a concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2014 pursuant to section 301 of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, during the period described in paragraph (2) the payroll administrator of that House of Congress shall deposit in an escrow account all payments otherwise required to be made during such period for the compensation of Members of Congress who serve in that House of Congress, and shall release such payments to such Members only upon the expiration of such period."
http://1.usa.gov/V4AsND
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 23, 2013 08:35 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)
You were in the military. You were often faced with the choice of two bad options and had to pick the least worst. You then did what you could to make that least worst choice work the best. What some believe is a third choice, or creating a third party, in my opinion is suicide. I'd rather work from the inside to change the GOP. I also accept the reality that nothing is perfect and negotiation and compromise is part of the process. There may come a time where I feel as you do, but in my opinion it ain't that time.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:35 AM (m2CN7)
Which post?
We are trying to ruminate over what a divorced Red nation will look like....
just harmless fun, you know sorta like daydreaming about a responsible federal government.?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:35 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:35 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2013 12:29 PM (HaYp1)
Hmmm.... interesting point.... how do you SUSPEND a Constitutional DUTY?
Its Congress's REQUIREMENT, not Privelege, to borrow Money.
Can they then cede a Constitutional Power to the Administration?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 08:35 AM (lZBBB)
500ft long
60ft beam
25ft draft
17.5 knot top speed
7,860 tons.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:36 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Charlie Brown at January 23, 2013 08:37 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 08:37 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 08:37 AM (XUKZU)
Yes you are correct, I grant you everything you just said in the post I am responding to to a point.
I'll be more direct.
Why should I be any more loyal to the United States than Obama's mother, Hillary and Bill and Bill Ayers were in the 60s, than Eric holder was in his rhetoric?
I am asking why, precisely the middle of America should keep playing this rigged game where DC keeps us from using our lands to gain, and they are bankrupting the next three generations?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:37 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:38 AM (nr/As)
***
Stupid is s stupid does which, come to think of it, is exactly the problem.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 08:38 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:38 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 08:39 AM (e0xKF)
I don't believe that's true, as it assumes the general public has given much of any thought to the matter at all.
More likely, this is viewed as "politics as usual" partisan bickering. Just inside baseball procedural voodoo with incomprehensibly huge numbers that the average person can in no way relate to.
Besides, Obama said he cares about reducing the deficit, so that settles it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2013 08:39 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 08:39 AM (GVxQo)
No, I do mean the AP. Drudge's link goes straight to the original AP article.
Either way, it's good news....
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 23, 2013 08:39 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 12:30 PM (imtbm)
I've pointed out multiple times that the GOP when looked at locally is a positive. We have 30 governorships. Pushing a message to the national GOP is very doable.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:40 AM (m2CN7)
2013 House: 201D - 234R
If TX breaks from the national, those Reps have to follow or they are out in 2014.
That leaves 10 from another state and we'd have some real opposition in the House.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 08:40 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:41 AM (OQpzc)
141Why the hell is Rand Fricking Paul the only person in DC who seems to have any damned sense?
If youve never seen this exchange between Rand Paul and a government hack regarding his toilet's flushing abilities, I suggest you watch it - hilarious
http://tinyurl.com/bztddk3
Posted by: Marybeth at January 23, 2013 08:41 AM (Ks0w4)
If I win tonight I will fund AoSHQ to become a TV Network with celebrity voices reading the comments out loud, to protect the morons. So the dumbmasses can get some knowledge.
Posted by: Paladin at January 23, 2013 08:41 AM (Id+W0)
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (m2CN7)
Sadly, I believe this is correct. It would create a conservative and moderately conservative canidate and leave a unified liberal base. Every election would be a Ross Perot election.
And poly, you never told the stripper reporter story. I need a pick me up
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 23, 2013 08:41 AM (t06LC)
I am asking why, precisely the middle of America should keep playing this rigged game where DC keeps us from using our lands to gain, and they are bankrupting the next three generations?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)
Uh, because you don't have the same character as those communist , socialist shitbags?
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:42 AM (m2CN7)
Correct, and the democrats are engaged in an overt cultural assault on our nation through immigration policy and lack of enforcement coupled with the use of the schools to not teach our founding principles or the case for our system.
I am running out of reasons to want a federal government, or to be in business with the coasts.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:42 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (lZBBB)
Of course. Just call it something else.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 08:43 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:43 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (YjDyJ)
Hmmm... can you say... UnConsitutional as worded?
Congress SHALL be Paid.... The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
Its a debt, under law... and Congress SHALL be paid... I can see how changing the Pay scale would pass the smell test... but this sophistry goes againt the Written INTENT of the Constiution....
And these are the guys who are supposed to DEFEND it???
/facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 08:43 AM (lZBBB)
reasons that the general public thinks this is fine is because hey who
wouldn't like to have a credit limit with unlimited increases.
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More like: When you get a refund every year, there is no possible source that could convince you there is a spending problem.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 08:44 AM (imtbm)
***
It is counter-intuitive but you have the same chance of winning whether you buy one ticket or ten or, for that matter, none.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 08:44 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 08:44 AM (zpqa2)
You mean "successful at getting my way and not being punished by the nation?"
You're right, I am a slow learning idealist on things, but when i finally adapt to the house rules of a game I tend to do okay.
Poly they are enslaving my son, and importing people to destroy his birthright as an American citizen on liberty.
I'm running out of loyalty to the feds and I am not sure the correct answer is to stop the flow anymore.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:45 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (t06LC)
I'm kind of bound with a vow of silence. I have my own stripper stories I'd like to share but I don't want to lose any amount, if any, respect I have now with the moronettes. Damn, there it went.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:45 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: cp at January 23, 2013 08:45 AM (nF4Jh)
Posted by: SH at January 23, 2013 08:45 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (GVxQo)
I think I am beginning to understand why Rand made Galt a male.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:45 AM (OQpzc)
>>>Uh, because you don't have the same character as those communist , socialist shitbags?
There is this thing called a social contract. The US Social contract is a little more complicated in that it has riders as a duty of government to defent the Life, Liberty, and Property of the Citizens of the US. If the US openly neglects, or acts deliberately in detriment to those duties, in turn, our duty of loyalty is released.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 08:45 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (t06LC)
But I'll take a Balanced Budget, with a Moderate Democrat President over the status quo....
Some are so worried about whose team someone is on... that they lose track of WHY the game is played...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 08:46 AM (lZBBB)
Go for their throats!
Tear their throats out!
Of course, this would be easier if we take their guns away first.
Posted by: Tiny Dickerson at January 23, 2013 08:46 AM (fH4X9)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:47 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (0q2P7)
We can have a different opininon on whether we have reached that point yet. My opinion is we have not. Its close though.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:48 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 08:48 AM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)
Yup.... I gave years of my life to defend this country.... my Father did the same.... my Son now Defends it....
We swore to Defend the Constitution.... the same document THEY swear to defend, and then ignore...
If only one side keeps a contract... is it any longer valid?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 08:48 AM (lZBBB)
Progressives; they truly love the common person. All Hail Gaia!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 23, 2013 08:48 AM (xz0nG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:49 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 23, 2013 08:49 AM (48wze)
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You want to tell me how we are getting anything different right now?
Tell me how a party united behind Bush, McCain and Romney has moved the country further toward more individual freedom and liberty?
We've had "Ross Perot" elections since Ross Perot. Only we've been lying to ourselves that the Dems weren't winning.
Name one thing you can do today that you couldn't do 20 years ago.
One fucking freedom you have now you didn't have then.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 08:49 AM (imtbm)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 08:50 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:50 AM (nr/As)
Correct, they are rather fond of the notion of "social contract" and "The Declaration's grants of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness!" being justification for Freeshit Army, but I don't believe that once they have crossed some threshold they are deserving of deference to our loyalty to the past anymore.
I think that is getting REALLY close when we can't pay our entitlements now and they want to add ~20-30 million new mouths at once.
The Deomcrat party has made quite clear that they have no interest in the bill of rights, or separation of powers and I am running out of reasons to grant them any more loyalty than they showed us under Reagan, Bush, or Bush.
The Territory of the United States does not have a "wealth" problem it has a regulatory and economic problem both caused by stupid incompetent extraconstitutional overreach.
The States have the right in my view to reanalyze the contract and push for an Article V convention to break up and realign the nation.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:51 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 08:51 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Tony Montana at January 23, 2013 08:51 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 08:51 AM (XUKZU)
One fucking freedom you have now you didn't have then.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:49 PM (imtbm)
I couldn't get a concealed handgun liscense.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:51 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 08:52 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (0q2P7)
Our contract has become, "Do it our way, or else."
Also, a third party in congress that could swing either way on votes would, effectively be in charge.
Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 08:52 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2013 08:52 AM (HaYp1)
Say Rand Paul is making a pretty strong case for himself today in the Bengazi hearings. I have no idea who will be running in 2016, but imagine if it is Rubio, Paul, Jindal, Walker, Ryan, and/or Christie (in some form or fashion). What much better prosepects than the past 2 elections.
But it could come down to Paul v. Rubio. Not bad.
Posted by: SH at January 23, 2013 08:52 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 08:52 AM (pz3Br)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:49 PM (fLln5)
Outstanding. I will not miss it. At least I'll be with honorable company in that audience.
Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 08:52 AM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 12:50 PM (GBXon)
What are you, some kind of far right TruCon?!?!eleventyadnauseum
In seriousness, I agree entirely. >.> Half our base is lying to itself - it'd be funny, if it weren't so sobering.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2013 08:52 AM (xeWre)
It temporarily withholds pay. The payments will be released on the last day of this Congress.
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 23, 2013 08:53 AM (YjDyJ)
If these were cereals which ones do you think would be sexy?
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 08:53 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: John Boehner at January 23, 2013 08:53 AM (FkupK)
Posted by: gigg at January 23, 2013 08:53 AM (41VCE)
>>>So the Treasury can borrow as much money as the planet will lend? MegaGigaTrillion dollars worth? A billion billion billion dollars worth?
As much as the fed can bribe banks to buy with a 0% loan. This is where you assume crash position gents.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 08:54 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: GalosGann at January 23, 2013 08:54 AM (T3KlW)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 08:54 AM (e0xKF)
Perhaps we should all become a fake CPUSA?
That could be fun it'd be like a nonstop costume party.
Just spout inane bullshit platitudes and use "comrade" and 'worker" a lot.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 08:55 AM (LRFds)
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But, that was the local party and state party.
Meanwhile, the national party--who has been running a perpetual fear campaign that the Dems are worse--has done not one damned to make my life simpler, to reduce the influence, reach or scope of the federal government in my life.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 08:55 AM (imtbm)
http://youtu.be/k5XNGac6bT0
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 08:55 AM (fLln5)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 08:56 AM (pz3Br)
osted by: Tiny Dickerson at January 23, 2013 12:46 PM (fH4X9)
188 I seriously considered trying for a local radio talk show host gig with my audition tape consisting of reading the comments here.:::
It would have to be satellite radio. The FCC would throw you under the jail.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 08:56 AM (mOyDx)
Posted by: Yakov Smirnov at January 23, 2013 08:57 AM (e0xKF)
217...Who will get a shot at her in the House hearings?
I'm hoping for Trey Gowdy to rip her a new one.
There will be House hearings?
Posted by: wheatie at January 23, 2013 08:57 AM (fH4X9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 23, 2013 08:58 AM (VtjlW)
There has been a lot of deserved beating up of our side's politicians. But I will take the following trio of Senators over any three Dems any day of the week: Rubio, Paul, Cruz. All three are eloquent and articulate. All three know conservative up and down, including the history behind it. All three can appeal to a younger generation. All three could go on the Daily Show and not sound like a old man.
Posted by: SH at January 23, 2013 08:58 AM (gmeXX)
Perhaps we should all become a fake CPUSA?
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Actually, it'd need to be a fake Socialist Party as the Supreme Court has already ruled that their members and donor lists can be kept secret--unlike every other political party.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 08:59 AM (imtbm)
If that was going to work it wouldn't be "fixing" the GOP. It'll require building a whole new party inside the empty husk of the old. The Space Battleship Yamato strategy.
Posted by: GalosGann at January 23, 2013 12:54 PM (T3KlW)
Did people believe the GOP was transformed or fixed when Newt Gingrich and others came up with the Contract With America or when Ronald Reagan was elected? The two parties are always moving one way or the other. You get enough people to think like you and you can 'fix' the GOP. I guess I just can't stop saying fix the GOP from the inside.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 08:59 AM (m2CN7)
In a word? Delusional if they think that there's any possibility of getting the Dems to agree to defunding Obamacare.
You'd run out of grenades before exhausting the supply of Democrats willing to jump on them to save Obamacare.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2013 08:59 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 09:00 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 12:56 PM (mOyDx)
Or a web radio deal like Tammy Bruce has (which I haven't been able to pick up lately) where she can drop eff bombs and only worry about offending her subscribers.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 09:00 AM (6Idw6)
Posted by: RWC - public school genius at January 23, 2013 09:00 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 23, 2013 09:01 AM (bj+Nc)
Germany is proof as is Spain that Barry's "green shoots" and war on coal are designed to destroy the poor, and yet we will be told by the media "high electric prices are the GOP's fault for blocking Schumer's bill to amend the laws of thermodynamics!"
The game is rigged, the fix is in. Our people OWN that is OUR FUCKING WEALTH NOT THEIRS more than 700 years worth of coal. A bunch of pussies want to restrict our ability to meet our needs to take care of the fucking poor and help our people and by commerce the WORLD get cheaper power and our national party representing our interests as a grouping of people allows themselves to get painted as "for the rich?"
Fuck the rigged game, break it up shut it the fuck down send your state's MOST retarded Pols as GOP to gum it up.
They are destroying our economy on fucking purpose to let the sierra club jerk the fuck off and our pussies cannot call them on it hard?
There does not need to be a national government of these two groups of states anymore then.
The world constantly tells us how evil we are BECAUSE of our military?
Okay no problem world and democrats YOU WIN! Since that is pretty much the main fucking reason for the United States' existence we will listen. Divorce.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 09:01 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 09:01 AM (nr/As)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 09:01 AM (pz3Br)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 09:02 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: RWC - public school genius at January 23, 2013 09:02 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 23, 2013 09:03 AM (bj+Nc)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 09:05 AM (8sCoq)
The founders knew this that is why they had to sell the damned Constitution in the first place.
You have a lot more control of these fucks at home in your state than at DC....
Divorce, Art V it baby shut it down, tear it apart.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 09:07 AM (LRFds)
Still demanding that entrenched politicians straighten out problems?
What is wrong with you?
Look to yourself for solutions.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 23, 2013 09:07 AM (1Y+hH)
Who am I kidding? I don't have any money to spend anyways.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 23, 2013 09:10 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: GalosGann at January 23, 2013 09:14 AM (T3KlW)
Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2013 09:19 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 09:20 AM (HS3dy)
Were we not under a calculated assault on multiple fronts by a traitorous, yes that is the word, left I would agree. They collude with foreign groups and antions to attempt to undermine the freedom of our nation. No allow the Art V to be hijacked, stay tight force the breakup first and then realign.
The Middle of America unfettered by bullshit neo-luddism can do a lot better than the coasts.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 09:20 AM (LRFds)
Better to reduce the number of bastards from other regions we'd like hanged though no?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 09:21 AM (LRFds)
Why should I be any more loyal to the United States than Obama's mother, Hillary and Bill and Bill Ayers were in the 60s, than Eric holder was in his rhetoric?I am asking why, precisely the middle of America should keep playing this rigged game where DC keeps us from using our lands to gain, and they are bankrupting the next three generations?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)
Uh, because you don't have the same character as those communist , socialist shitbags?
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:42 PM (m2CN7)
How about because the country is now in the hands of those "communist, socialist shitbags?" Why the fuck are we - the base, not the greedy, amoral assholes in the leadership - always supposed to be the ones to uphold concepts like loyalty and constitutional governance?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 23, 2013 09:25 AM (zF6Iw)
I of course don't think we've exhausted all options yet, just posing the question. An important part of goals is deadlines. Where is the line in the sand?
Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 09:27 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 23, 2013 09:27 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Curiouser and curiouser at January 23, 2013 09:46 AM (f1Yw6)
Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 09:57 AM (HS3dy)
in addition to your proposals or as an alternative, we can play the democrats game of creating byzantine rules for the irs tax code for all of the favored/unfavored groups you've mentioned. just making the burden of compliance nearly impossible. and while i don't know much about the financing of films, it seems to me that llc's might be created to handle the business of each film individually, which means targeting tax regulation at that level.
Posted by: matt foley at January 23, 2013 09:58 AM (X69df)
Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 09:58 AM (HS3dy)
Yep. Unless something changes, the MFM would eviscerate Rand as a candidate. Damn shame.
This is the point: Anyone worth his salt would fall into this same trap. That is why we're well and truly boned.
LiB
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 09:59 AM (zpqa2)
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