1

 

They've been eff'd up for a long time, Ace.

2 Feminism.

3 I could tell you stories about 'The Good Ole Days'...if there ever were any.

4 Giving the milk away for free . . . .

5 More guys are starting to take the Red Pill.

6 Women are unhappy because they've been told for fifty years that they're oppressed and helpless. Empower them by not allowing them to play the victim card, and they'll be happier.

7 How Come Both Sexes Are Now So Effed Up?

 

******

How come you're so sure there are only two?

 

8 I blame soy.

9

liberal government and the media do not want masculine men around. They fight back.

10 Only the gays are perfect. We must accommodate them so we can start WINNING!!!!!!!

11 Ace's posting at Breitbart 'splains all for you.

12 Leftists think that inverting gender roles is Progress. Obviously inverting gender roles is going to mess people up and make them unhappy. The cultural transition from Christianity to Atheism/Leftism isn't going well. And the Emperors of Empiricism don't want to acknowledge it. At all.

13 Everything in life has trade offs.  Every single thing.  This perception that there can be a cost free life is insane. 

14 Psychologists are sciency and gave people permission to be fuck-ups.

15

Who wants to play a game you are going to lose?

16

It was Eleanor Roosevelt who said,  'Happiness is not a goal...it's a by-product of a life well lived.'

 

I'm leery of these 'happiness studies', as well. We can't live our lives chasing an emotion.

17 Look at the fucked up guy sitting in the Oval Office.  Told his whole life how supremely intelligent and special he is, and he can't do the most basic "guy things," like throw a ball or ride an actual man's bike. 

The list goes on.

18 "Yeah, but all the girls know how sensitive I am.  This gets me laid."  - hipster douchebag.

Chicks don't want "men" anymore.  They want girls with penises.  I've been saying for years (since I had a teenaged kid in my house) that we're raising our little boys to be girls.

Fkn sad, man.

19 I'm ready to get flamed, but Women and men evolved to be balanced. Men used violence and threats of violence, and women used cunning and sex. It was unpleasant and barbaric but it worked. Only women now have access to their evolved tools of choice. That's the key imbalance.

20 16 It was Eleanor Roosevelt who said, 'Happiness is not a goal...it's a by-product of a life well lived.'

I'm leery of these 'happiness studies', as well. We can't live our lives chasing an emotion.

Posted by: troyriser at March 18, 2013 06:26 PM (vtiE6)

 

*******

 

I agree troyriser.  Happiness as a goal is vastly overrated.

21 "16 It was Eleanor Roosevelt who said, 'Happiness is not a goal...it's a by-product of a life well lived.' I'm leery of these 'happiness studies', as well. We can't live our lives chasing an emotion. Posted by: troyriser at March 18, 2013 06:26 PM (vtiE6) " But that's what all the cool animals are doing. Who are we to be any different? Specists?

22 I could tell you what is best in life, but your women wouldn't like that either

23 Of course, odds makers will tell you you are nuts to bet half of everything you will ever make on a bet that has only 50-50 odds of success.

24

Let's destroy the country:

Class Wars -check

 

destroy family values- check

 

destroy religion- in progress

 

destroy gender roles- check

 

divide ethnic groups - check..............

25 This perception that there can be a cost free life is insane.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at March 18, 2013 06:26 PM (Gk3SS)

 

You can have a cost free life, it's just not worth much.

26 To me, manliness means doing  "what needs to be done", even if I might prefer to be doing something else.

27 Too late.

28 When I was a kid I wanted to be The Hulk. I also wanted to be Sean Connery. And I wanted to be Col Joe Gallagher from the 12 O'clock High series. I wanted be like those men because they were Alpha. Today on TV theyre all beta douche bags.

29

 

Girls today have no idea how easy they have it.

 

We wimmens used to have to lug our monthly rags down to the creek, and wash them out by hand.

If we let the dogs get into 'em, and drag them around the yard...then our men folk would beat us.

 

 

30 Don't people rise (or sink) to the occasion? I'm sure once the Burning Times kick in people will have all sorts of fun opportunities to take manly and heroic action. You know, before they all die and stuff.

31 To me, manliness means doing "what needs to be done", even if I might prefer to be doing something else.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 18, 2013 06:30 PM (pLvWv)

Wise lesson here that I tried to impart on said teenaged kid:  First you do what you have to do.  Then you do what you want to do.

32 26 To me, manliness means doing "what needs to be done", even if I might prefer to be doing something else. ----- Speaking of which, Mr Y-not escorted me to the opera Saturday night, bad tum-tum and all. He had a wonderful time.

33 I think too many people (maybe women in particular) are waiting for someone or something to make them happy.  That never works. If you can't be happy alone, you'll never be happy with anyone else.

34 Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2013 06:28 PM (UOM4 And sadly...he is a representation of the crisis that exists in the breakdown of black families. Granted, his mother was white and he was raised by his white grandparents, but his African father was non-existent. Now we have a man-child in the White House with severe daddy issues, taking it out on the American taxpayers. And to be honest, I am surprised he and Michelle have stayed married this long, although I tend to believe it's a marriage of convienence now.

35 Note: severely inconveniencing her sick husband makes her feel better. This is what it means to be a woman

36 Both men and women have been "growing up" at later ages for a long time.  When I was in my teens what I had to look forward to is being drafted or joining so I could go to Vietnam.


A lot of people got married and had kids early in an attempt to be reclassified and avoid the draft.  A lot of others went to college to avoid the draft.


But even before Vietnam people usually got married right out of high school. A few went to college.  IOW people got married earlier than now, started families earlier than now, and generally "grew up earlier than now.


I blame LBJ and the Great Society.  That is what started breaking down the morals in this country. It paid to have children out of wedlock.  It became an industry. 

37 This generation of youth are bringing with them "delta" males, who are essentially uni-sex.

38 Speaking of which, Mr Y-not escorted me to the opera Saturday night, bad tum-tum and all.

He had a wonderful time.

Posted by: Y-not at March 18, 2013 06:32 PM (5H6zj)

 

*****

 

  Manly!

39 "28 When I was a kid I wanted to be The Hulk. I also wanted to be Sean Connery. And I wanted to be Col Joe Gallagher from the 12 O'clock High series. I wanted be like those men because they were Alpha. Today on TV theyre all beta douche bags. Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 18, 2013 06:32 PM (vanqS) " Well, I wanted to be like Mr. Spock. There are no more positive role models. They've all been progressed away.

40 This is the age of anti-wisdom. Anyone younger than 60 has been told a plethora of lies about the sexes.

Hell, we even turned the "sexes" into "genders".

41

How Come Both Sexes Are Now So Effed Up?

 

 

 

Ask Mee-Moo. It knows.

42

Forbes had a survey a while back that showed even the vast majority of corporate women wanted to marry and stay at home raising the kids.  The problem is that they wanted the father to have a masters degree and earn six figures.  In other words: a fantasy.

Like it or not the feminist movement was fundamentally unhealthy for women.  It was a rejection of biology and psychology in favor of politics.  It told women that they didn't have a biological clock, that sex without any sort of emotional attachment was normal, and that male aggressiveness was an aberration.  The result has been a generation of women who have grown up believing that they can spend their 20s partying, hooking up, climbing the corporate ladder, and acting dangerously irresponsible without any consequences. 

43

it's the Pursuit of Happiness, not the guarantee,

 

it's as if they tell you " Okay you're happy now"

it doesn't work that way, and never will.

44 Sorry Y that was meant to be glib

45 Another craptastic meme that pisses me off is that "women can have it all".  But no one ever tells them, you can't have it all at once.

46 Shouldn't there only be one sex? To be fair?

47

Well, I'm old enough  to remember Manly Things   like self-sufficiency, determination, wisdom (especially of The Ancients), and that last thingy, Balls.

 

All have gone  by the wayside, as  the  first link points out, and all is not well as a result. Funny, that. We got conned into rejecting the things that made us what we are, as   men and as  a nation  and now things aren't looking good, are they?

48 And to be honest, I am surprised he and Michelle have stayed married this long, although I tend to believe it's a marriage of convienence vacations now.

FIFY

Which may also explain why she's still around.

49 >> Manly! Yes, yes it was. The reason we've been happily married for 28+ years is we each are willing to sacrifice for the other on occasion. And, as it turns out, he said this was his favorite opera we've been to thus far. Karma.

50 [13 Everything in life has trade offs. Every single thing. This perception that there can be a cost free life is insane.
Posted by: alexthechick]

Thank you. I've been preaching this for years and I don't really consider someone to be an adult unless and until they understand this.

51

The key to a happy woman is to make good money for the family, smack her on the ass once in a while and show her what's what in bed, and then do pretty much whatever she says while at the same time telling her to get you a beer on demand at parties to "assert yourself".  And be a good dad and love the kiddies.

 

My 2 cents.

52 You see what happens when our precious bodily fluids are polluted?

53 28 When I was a kid I wanted to be The Hulk. I also wanted to be Sean Connery. And I wanted to be Col Joe Gallagher from the 12 O'clock High series. I wanted be like those men because they were Alpha. Today on TV theyre all beta douche bags. Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 18, 2013 06:32 PM (vanqS) As a kid I wanted to be a Ghostbuster or Mad Scientist, but in this economy....

54 The problem is that they wanted the father to have a masters degree and earn six figures. In other words: a fantasy.

... until polygamy is made legal again.

55 Hey, what's wrong with stylish?

56 Never commit to a woman who views you as a stepping stone.

Bang her and turn her loose.  And bang her best friend for good measure.

57 Because we have been told our boys need to be like girls and our girls need to be like boys. Nobody wins.

58 Wacky Ideas of Progressives Don't Pan Out; Film at 11:00

59
Quite simply, things that are not valued in society will be diminished.  Men aren't valued, therefore they don't see the point of marriage, fatherhood etc, which in turn causes women to be unhappy, which in turn diminishes the traditional family.  Which at some point will destroy a society.

60 I think men are just afraid of committing to a strong powerful fattie.

61 1. Girls have gotten slutty and easy, so I do not need to be "a man" to get laid; 2. The progressive's constant infantilization of the population means that there is no social stigma to not growing up; 3. The OWS mindset means there is no stigma to being broke, but there is a stigma to making money; 4. Divorce laws create a huge financial disincentive for men to enter marriage. 5. Abortion and widespread single parenthood has removed the social stigma of knocking up and abandoning chicks.

62 Has it gotten to the point where men no longer wink at women; no more wolf whistles, no more "you want fries with that shake'? Nothing?

63

... until polygamy is made legal again.

It's coming and it's going to be ugly for all those hipster douchebags who voted for it all these years.

 

64 Sadly, most men are wimps nowadays. My son was in a car that had a flat tire, and he was the only one of four that knew how to change the tire! (He's a junior in college)

65 "American women are the worst in the world. IÂ’m not using hyperbole; IÂ’ve been to over 25 countries and have dated in most of them. ItÂ’s the only country where I have consistently sour experiences with uppity women who seem to swallow all the male hatred that has been taught to them in college and by the media. Dating an American woman is like going to battle, and I feel sorry for all the men that are still stuck with them." http://tinyurl.com/cs5w9gy

66 Posted by: eastvalleyphx at March 18, 2013 06:28 PM (GRvW4) My step-mother finally figured out after twenty-six years of marriage to my father (who is the ultimate Alpha male in my eyes) that he is NOT her girlfriend. WTF? He is a man, not a woman. She finally quit trying to get him to "care and share" with her. And no...my baby brother and I still just tolerate her and her shiftless sons after all this time.

67 Easy peasy: 1) Feminists and Gay-male-written shows such as "Sex in the City" convince women that a gay male sexual lifestyle (sex anywhere anytime with anyone with no bonding or repercussions) is right and proper and makes those women who indulge in GMSL unlikely marriage prospects. Because, evolutionarily, men won't marry or support women whose sexual fidelity they can't trust. 2) Unmarried guys will fart around and in general fuck most willing and able women who adopt GMSL but have zero incentive to marry. 3) Men have been discouraged from participating in traditionally male activities since they were little boys. 4) Active little boys are drugged as ADD. 5) Boys are discouraged from reading and hence learning by replacement of fun books to read like "Tom Sawyer" with steaming boring crapola "Sarah Big and Tall" or "Gertrude Wipplewhite - the First Female Aquatic Biologist: A True Story" Result: Unmotivated frivolous men Childless women who get lots of sex but are never taken seriously as mates or women.

68 My perspective is out of whack, I guess, because I don't have an extended family of trailer park losers or watch reality tv. Honestly, I can't tell which of the sexes is more screwed up at this point, but I have very little faith in the younger generation. Basically, anyone under 35 is suspect. The Clinton blue dress generation and younger.

69 Name a heroic figure on TV today. I can think of only one. (And even his morality is a bit opaque.)

70 It is a big priority of mine to prevent society from unmanning my two young boys.

71 had a wimpy guy from support work on my computer today...jesus he spoke so quietly I couldn't hear standing right in front of him.  what a limp wrist flabby metrosexual, where do they get these guys.  never did set it up so I could see my sup's PC. wasted an hour of my time

72 We cannot have it all.

73 http://www.returnofkings.com/2090/ how-black-america-has-predicted-our-future

74 If America can just get Communism right I'll be happy.

75 We celebrated our 27th anniversary Friday night, with 500,000 drunk St. Patrick's Day parade attendees.  Yay, us.

A waitress asked us, "How do people manage to stay married so long?

*long sigh*

76 It was Eleanor Roosevelt who said, 'Happiness is not a goal...it's a by-product of a life well lived.'
=======
My "whole-word," half-assed, it's late in the day, reading read that as "Happiness is not a goat..."

Which makes just as much sense--it is not a thing to be had, it just is and you choose it into existence.

77

The days of free milk from the cow are over. Now it's more like, why buy the whole pig just to get a little sausage?

 

78 I blame the sequester.

79 Where have all the cowboys gone http://tinyurl.com/bs32wah

80 And, I want a man who CAN cry. I just hope I never have to see him do it.

81 >>>The problem is that they wanted the father to have a masters degree and earn six figures Lol. Those of us who fit that mold either (1) married our college girlfriends, or (2) know better than to get married.

82 I want it acknowledged that I am a Fucking Awesome Friend because I am voluntarily watching the spider scene in HP2 because said friend what is visiting wanted to watch HP2.


I'm just going to drink from this bottle of Val U Rite now. 

83 >>American women are the worst in the world. At least we shave our armpits.

84 Root cause-Northeast males.

85 "The good life includes suffering as well as contentment."

Strings on a guitar have to be kept at a certain tension if they are to play music.

86

What we're missing, IMHO, is the best Manly Quality of All:

 

The  ability to say NO.

87 In 50 days we'll all be chicks.

88 Yeah, women giving it up for anyone that comes along, men carrying adolescence into their 30s and even later. Most of what I watch is old black and white stuff, and it's amazing how men and women expected their romantic relationships to end in marriage, and relatively quickly. (By that, I mean after a year or two, not the silliness of getting married after knowing each other for 2 weeks.) Nowadays, people move in for years on end, many have several children during that time, and don't bother to get married. Not saying marriage is the be all and end all. I am a very happily single woman in my 30s, and I suspect I may never get married. And that's OK. But men and women (and increasingly, boys and girls) have been cheapening each other, and in the process, sharing and spreading lots of STDs. /rant off

89

 

Acomplishments provide a sense of achievement.

 

Manly acomplishments moreso, since they are so much more demanding.

 

Example: Marine Corps basic training graduation day.

90 >>>70 Name a heroic figure on TV today. NICK SEARCY

91 Name a heroic figure on TV today.

I can think of only one. (And even his morality is a bit opaque.)

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 18, 2013 06:40 PM (Y4TdB)


If I still had children at home there would be no network TV.  In fact there would be no cable, no satellite, and no antenna.


TV would be strictly movies which I had a hand in picking out.

92 84 I want it acknowledged that I am a Fucking Awesome Friend because I am voluntarily watching the spider scene in HP2 because said friend what is visiting wanted to watch HP2.


I'm just going to drink from this bottle of Val U Rite now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at March 18, 2013 06:41 PM (Gk3SS

If your "friend" whips out a clown mask, kill him.  We'll take up a fund to defend you.

93 What's the #1 sport in America right now? Football.  What were some of the big hits in 2012 movie wise? Skyfall, Zero Dark Thirty and Dark Knight Rises. What's the TV show everyone talks about? Walking Dead the story of two alphas at war against each other.

But yeah there's nothing manly in our society anymore. Come on.

94 We celebrated our 27th anniversary Friday night, with 500,000 drunk St. Patrick's Day parade attendees. Yay, us.

A waitress asked us, "How do people manage to stay married so long?


Ennui, baby.  It's French.

95 I'm leery of these 'happiness studies', as well. We can't live our lives chasing an emotion. Posted by: troyriser at March 18, 2013 06:26 PM (vtiE6) Agreed. I suspect people who chase happiness as their main focus are the most miserable.

96 To be clear: Men used to get married so they could have sex. Getting married, settling down, having kids, all so he could have sex.

Somewhere along the line, giving sex away before marriage was acceptable, laudable . . . and withholding sex during marriage was acceptable, laudable*.

How many years have the popular television shows reinforced both of those?

Toss in how there's no such thing as a man's man, a father who does know best on TV and . . . well, we get a bunch a fag boys wearing women's pants and cutting themselves. Pretty sad when I know actual queers who are more manly than a lot of the kids growing up today.

*course now, some harpy shrew will come along and claim I support marital rape or some such stupid shit like that.

97

Because all to often the we are told that the differences between men and women are to be overlooked. And that they are both equal on both fronts regardless if that's true or not. Take female firefighters for example. Now it's women in combat. Not that women can't do these things, but most of the time they can be done better by males. Is that sexist? I'm sure to those trained with the pavlovian response will be a resounding YES! But is it? There are things women do way better than men. But instead of saying hey women or men are better at ________ we try to force each other into those roles. Yes there's always an exception to very rule. But we've so devalued and dehumanized the male role in society (See any sitcom for proof of this) That we've turned an entire generation of men into effeminate yobs who don't know how to act.

98 If you think about it, technology has created an entirely unique moment in time. Sure there are parallels with other civilizations going through a period of malaise, but the way technology has connected us in ways both healthy and unhealthy is disturbing and science fiction esq. We really have no ideas whats coming next and how that will effect gender roles and the family. A cultural singularity.

99 Reece and Finch are pretty alpha.

100 "85 >>American women are the worst in the world. At least we shave our armpits. Posted by: Y-not at March 18, 2013 06:41 PM (5H6zj) " And what does that say about American "men?"

101 Completely O/T, we watched The Quiet Man last night with the kids.

102 "9 liberal government and the media do not want masculine men around. They fight back. Posted by: seamrog" Ever look at the photos of men in magazines that are aimed at wealthy, white people? You know what I mean, the mags that are aimed at Manhattanites. I was looking through a "Conde Naste Traveler" yesterday. There are men in these photos, especially in the ads, that barely look male. These are frail looking creatures that look like they would fall over in a strong wind. There are a lot of people in our culture who despise strength.

103 Example: Marine Corps basic training graduation day.

Posted by: MisterMoney at March 18, 2013 06:42 PM (wN82N

Yep.  And don't forget, the only female Marines are trained and graduate out of Parris Island. 

104

If it feels good, do it!

 

105 69 My perspective is out of whack, I guess, because I don't have an extended family of trailer park losers or watch reality tv.



..yes and I'm in Montucky.   Got some great specimens on both sides.

But it sucks that a guy can't go to work at a mill or railroad or in the woods right out of high school, like back in the day.  Then he could have a family and grow the fuck up.  

I feel for these young guys now.  I figured, go in the military, and my step did, but when the 5 years was up there he was looking for work.  

106 Yes the sexual revolution is the culprit.  Everybody thought there would be happiness and that's what they didn't get.  Lots of divorces, fatherless children and STDs is what they got in abundance.

107 At the gym you'll see men in their primes, wearing their weightlifting gloves, lifting 20 lb dumbbells. Instead of being embarrassed they can barely lift more than the women, they strut around between sets.

108 "93 Name a heroic figure on TV today. I can think of only one. (And even his morality is a bit opaque.) Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous Harmonious Fists at March 18, 2013 06:40 PM (Y4TdB) If I still had children at home there would be no network TV. In fact there would be no cable, no satellite, and no antenna. TV would be strictly movies which I had a hand in picking out. Posted by: Vic at March 18, 2013 06:43 PM (53z96) " A lot of people thought they could outsource parenting. Like most post60s ideas, it was wrong. And stupid.

109 'have been replaced with such lackluster descriptors as “progressive,” “open-minded,” or “stylish.” ' And these people who buy into these new descriptors only think that they admire open-mindedness. Tell them you are against abortion, or have serious questions about the value of affirmative action and see how "open-minded" they are.

110 But yeah there's nothing manly in our society anymore. Come on.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 06:43 PM (HDgX3)

I think you miss the point ... those things are popular precisely BECAUSE they represent an ideal not attainable to most young males.  Instinctively, they know they should embody it, but society discourages this where the rubber hits the road.

111 Happy anniversary, Jane D'Oh!

112

 

I blame all electricity and all them newfangled conveniences.

 

Put a boy to work choppin wood, as soon as he's out of diapers...put the girls to work at washin dishes at about that age too.

 

If one of em gets hurt...they'll remember it and not do that again.

 

Idle hands are the devil's workplace.

 

113 It's the gaying down of America I tells ya. I wouldn't want to be a young man today, a product of libtard educational system.....gunless, gutless with a confused sexual Identity. But the government seems to like it. Its also the Womens fault. They want men to be 'sensitive" and such drivel. Then when they get bored with the "sensitive man" they go find an outlaw biker to bed. So much for that (smacks wife on the ass and tells her to bring me another beer). I'm not one to screw with man/woman hard wiring with some dumbass libtard social experiments. Don't even get me started on the libtard push against religion and morals. Let the hate replys come. I am like Obama in that one way, and don't care what any of you think. I'm old, grouchy and pissed off.

114

So far as name goes, there is a pretty general agreement: for HAPPINESS both the multitude and the refined few call it, and "living well" and "doing well" they conceive to be the same with "being happy;" but about the Nature of this Happiness, men dispute, and the multitude do not in their account of it agree with the wise. For some say it is some one of those things which are palpable and apparent, as pleasure or wealth or honour; in fact, some one thing, some another; nay, oftentimes the same man gives a different account of it; for when ill, he calls it health; when poor, wealth: and conscious of their own ignorance, men admire those who talk grandly and above their comprehension. Some again held it to be something by itself, other than and beside these many good things, which is in fact to all these the cause of their being good.

115 The "if it feels good, do it" generation became parents.

Ugh.  (My generation.)  Some of us grew up and became responsible.  Others, not so much.

116

Yes the sexual revolution is the culprit. Everybody thought there would be happiness and that's what they didn't get. Lots of divorces, fatherless children and STDs is what they got in abundance.

The sexual revolution combined with the obsession of sending everyone to college.  It shifted perceptions about "acceptable" professions and encouraged delaying adulthood.

 

117 Do Alpha males use a bodygroomer?

118 113 Happy anniversary, Jane D'Oh!

Posted by: Y-not at March 18, 2013 06:46 PM (5H6zj

Thanks! 

119 5) Boys are discouraged from reading and hence learning by replacement of fun books to read like "Tom Sawyer" with steaming boring crapola "Sarah Big and Tall" or "Gertrude Wipplewhite - the First Female Aquatic Biologist: A True Story" Natural Flake I think an added reason is the fact that in school you are not alowwed to enjoy books, you have to pshycoanalys the hell out of them, and find things that the odds are the author didn't even think about. Same thing happens if you take and film course in college. I didn't start to really enjoy reading until a two or three years ago when I took my last English course in college. Because now you can just enjoy a book and not have to spend five hours afterwards bsing on a paper. Sorry for the rambling.

120 Contrarianism-- it's the new studliness.

121 No-fault divorce.

Seriously.

Sorry Ron, you fucked up there.

It blows my mind that the court--our government!--expected people to stay married at just about all costs.

Tell you what: I give the queers marriage if we end no-fault divorce.

122 119 Do Alpha males use a bodygroomer?



*looks at Reggie Love*  Why do you ask?

123

Because modern society somehow believes that 'viewpoint' or belief, can trump nature.

 

Men and Women are NOT the same... and never will be... we both physicly and MENTALY different...

 

So when Society tells you your Manly instincts... wants... desires... are wrong?  Of course Men get unhappy....

 

And then Women are unhappy because they are hardwired by evolution for a Man... and they get a Beta wimp.. they then can't figure out why they are unhappy.

124 If your "friend" whips out a clown mask, kill him. We'll take up a fund to defend you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2013 06:43 PM (UOM4


Her and, luckily, she agrees with the clown thing.

125

I dated a cute little blonde about 12 years ago who was  working on her Specialized Degree in Child  Psychology.

 

She told me that she was taught that the average age of maturity was 26.

 

And rising.

126

 

Men are just naturally uppity cause they don't have to squat to pee.

T'aint nothin ever gonna change that.

127 Maybe we just need a new frontier. Speaking of frontiers, Argentina had one for the longest time, as they conquered/pushed the natives to the Andes. Given that the name "Bergoglio" is Italian, I wonder what any of that ilk care to say to any indigenous Amerindians who think of all Argentinians, but especially the pure European stock, as "usurpers"?

128 Obvious answer: It's teh pron!

129 A waitress asked us, "How do people manage to stay married so long? *long sigh* Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2013 06:40 PM (UOM4 If people don't even expect marriage to last a lifetime, is it any wonder that divorce is so rampant? I understand that there are times divorce has to take place, but if people don't even enter marriage with a mindset of lasting commitment, where we are today isn't surprising. My 2c as an unmarried chick.

130 Happy anniversary, Jane D'oh!

Do it right:  Tell your inlaws to go fuck themselves and get forced gender reassignments courtesy of JEFCare

131

85 >>American women are the worst in the world.

At least we shave our armpits. posted by Y-Not,

We shave our legs, too.

132

Her and, luckily, she agrees with the clown thing.

Both of you are into it?  Kinky!

Hold on, there's someone scratching at my door...

133 Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 18, 2013 06:40 PM (QTHTd) Very insightful article...have been aware of the issue(s) for a long time. Number 5 in the article especially rings true, since I have heard my female friends say that to men, even though they themselves don't have shit going for themselves. I will also admit that as a single, 40 year old black female...it is a bit discouraging/disgusting to hear the excuses that some, not all, black men give for not being a productive member of society.

134 yep, Reece on Person of Interest is the only "heroic" male role model on TV today that I know of. Raylan Givins is not a hero. He likes to shoot people. He's a marshal because that gives him opportunity and license to shoot people.

135 "122 Contrarianism-- it's the new studliness. Posted by: zsasz at March 18, 2013 06:48 PM (MMC8r) " Synchronized contrarianism. All the cool men are doing it. Don't you want to be cool too?

136 Sometimes a man gotta slap a bitch.

137 A lot of people thought they could outsource parenting. Like most post60s ideas, it was wrong. And stupid.

 

 

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 18, 2013 06:46 PM (GHpOB)

 

Worst TV show EVER for Children?  Survivor... . yes... where telling lies and cheating is REWARDED...

138 In talking to kids about abstinence, we get volunteers to let us place a piece of clear packing tape on the arm of one member of the opposite sex and gently pull it off. It becomes less see-through. After another couple of arms it is gross. Meaning: Intimacy with numerous partners leaves a bit of your emotion, lessening bonding.

139 A political blog discussing male arrested development?  That defines me.

140 >>We shave our legs, too. Yeah, I was going to add that but then I figured all the unhappily married men would bitch about their wives' leg stubble! :-)

141

We shave our legs, too.

 

 

And our heads!

142 A waitress asked us, "How do people manage to stay married so long?

*long sigh*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2013 06:40 PM (UOM4



My mother in law, of all people, once gave me the best advice ever:  She told me marriages work because the two people work hard to make them work.  It almost made up for her having raised such a weird daughter.

143 138 Sometimes a man gotta slap a bitch.



Just be sure to make it "garden variety" bro.

144 I think Finch is manly too. He's a cripple so he cant go punch out the bad guy, but he does everything in his power to do the right thing.

145 Worst TV show EVER for Children? Survivor... . yes... where telling lies and cheating is REWARDED... Posted by: Romeo13 at March 18, 2013 06:53 PM (lZBBB) Yeah, I can't reconcile the guy who created that show, then praising him for doing 'The Bible.'

146 "125 Because modern society somehow believes that 'viewpoint' or belief, can trump nature. Men and Women are NOT the same... and never will be... we both physicly and MENTALY different... So when Society tells you your Manly instincts... wants... desires... are wrong? Of course Men get unhappy.... And then Women are unhappy because they are hardwired by evolution for a Man... and they get a Beta wimp.. they then can't figure out why they are unhappy. Posted by: Romeo13 at March 18, 2013 06:49 PM (lZBBB) " Women are unhappy because Leftists have created the sort of environment where women can be (or at least feel like they can be) raped at any moment AND there are no men around who seem like they could protect them.

147 >>>119 Do Alpha males use a bodygroomer? Does a live cougar count?

148 Remember right after 9/11 when the images of men running to their doom in order to rescue perfect strangers, and going off to war to avenge our nation, prompted a new respect for men in the media? National Review (my apologies) even had a cover story about it: Men Are Back. Yeah, that was funny.

149 Ultimately I'm to blame for most of these fiascos. 

150

Raylan Givins is not a hero. He likes to shoot people. He's a marshal because that gives him opportunity and license to shoot people.

This actually brings up another problem, and one that I directly relate to the rise of school shootings: the anti-hero.  We've abandoned the traditional view of the hero in favor of the anti-hero who is often no better than the villain. 

When you think about young boys playing in years past, they probably played games like cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, chased each other around with wooden swords or pretended to be soldiers.  In every case they were acting out roles as they perceived them.  It was a way to understand how they fit into society and to develop their own understanding of morality and manliness.  Of course, very few would 'massacre' settlers, or pretend to shoot up a village of civilians.  Nowadays these same boys no longer play outside.  Instead they sit in front of a television and what the "heros" engage in precisely that behavior.

151 She told me marriages work because the two people work hard to make them work. THIS. Where marriages fail is because couples quit doing the things that brought them together in the first place. Like, oh....grooming.

152 @ 151.  Yeah, well, don't forget about me.

153 I think Finch is manly too. He's a cripple so he cant go punch out the bad guy, but he does everything in his power to do the right thing.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 18, 2013 06:55 PM (I2LwF)

A constant throughout this season has been Reece stating how Finch gave him a purpose in life after he'd given up on it.

154 Thank goodness I'm happily married.

155 Look at that twit Mika Brzezinski. 

Her Jooo-hating daddy apparently told her how bright and special she was all her life.

She had another "Palin" moment at the end of AM Joe today, and stomped off the set.  Professionally, of course.

156 The most pathetic are the lib guys that are only to eager to agree with feminazis about how men are evil, pathetic and potential or actual evil rapists.

157 I do think that it's mostly the extension of adolescence to blame. In both directions; people seem to expect teenage attitude out of 9 year olds now (whoever invented the word "tween" can go diaf, please) and the whole everybody-goes-to-college/26 is still a kid thing extends adolescence on that end. Whose idea was this? Teenagers are moody little beasts at least part of the time, and for good reason. Why on earth would we want to encourage this stags of development to last any longer than necessary?

158

TV and movies are the greatest indicator of how far we've strayed in many ways.

Take for instance, The T.V. Mom, Smart, overworked, pulled in all directions, stressed, trying to "have it all" because that's what feminism wrought. You were less of a woman if you wee just some peon stay at home Mom! You don't really need a man. If you do have to be with one, try and make him your girlfriend.

 

The T.V Dad. If he's existent in the home. He' s a beer swilling dummy who has no value. (Insert Al Bundy or any other sitcom of the last 20 years)  The kids mock him and the Dad does and knows nothing, The wife treats him like a dumb child as well. He's merely there to show how smart everyone else around him is.

Yea there's a few exceptions like Cosby but for 20 years or so it's been the same recipe for sitcoms. I contend they've done more damage than anything.

 

159 It is depressing that someone would bring up a comic book super hero movie as an example of manliness in the culture.

Did you ever order the sea monkeys, kid?

160

Take a look at BuzzFeed's "The 14 most F'ed up things about Spring Breakers" and substitute "Western Civ" for "Spring Breakers".  This is the final common pathway when you abandon hard virtue for easy pleasure on a societal level.  Really, is it any wonder that some women look at this in despair, say, "Screw it, gimme that veil" and take up Islam?

 http://tinyurl.com/co8mw7u

 

161

The years after WWII have been the most prosperous in the history of the world.   This has made life awfully easy for an awful lot of people in the west (the 3rd world not so much).

 

The easier life gets, the softer people become, and they don't understand how to fight to survive, or even that most people throughout history have had to fight to survive. 

 

Not having to do anything to survive, other than eat, is making slugs of us all.

 

162 Not against contraception, but I think the easy availability of contraception has done more harm than good.

163 Signed in the WH visitor log as "Priscilla the LGBT Easter Bunny"

pic.twitter.com/7krjZWOOFo

164
National Review (my apologies) even had a cover story about it: Men Are Back. Yeah, that was funny.

Yep, and now they're back to carrying their man purses, getting manicures, and waiting in line at Starbucks for their double creme' lattes with extra foam.

165 >>>>Insert Al Bundy<<<<

In fairness to Married with Children, Peg wasn't exactly a prize either.

166 139 Romei13 I tried to tell co-workers this when Survivor first came out and they were gushing over it. Needless to say, they looked at me like I ad 5 heads. No wonder it was also a hostile work environment. I stopped watching TV altogether at that point.

167 I'm unhappy with this thread.

168 The meggings "trend" that some of the fashion media were trying to push was a bridge too far. And the suits with woman-type cut shorts. *shudder*

169 160 I do think that it's mostly the extension of adolescence to blame. In both directions; people seem to expect teenage attitude out of 9 year olds now (whoever invented the word "tween" can go diaf, please) and the whole everybody-goes-to-college/26 is still a kid thing extends adolescence on that end. Whose idea was this? Teenagers are moody little beasts at least part of the time, and for good reason. Why on earth would we want to encourage this stags of development to last any longer than necessary?

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 18, 2013 06:59 PM (uy2sX)

____________

I agree with you on the 9 year old as teen aspect. But the 26 = kid end...so what? The average lifespan is 80 today. It was 60 a few generations ago. 26/80 is the same ratio as 18/60.  We live longer so we become an adult later. Makes perfect sense.

170 Like, oh....grooming. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 18, 2013 06:57 PM --- Heh. I love men and think most of the problems I see in relationships come from both sexes, not just one, but I gotta say my growing pet peeve is middle-aged men in sloppy t-shirts. Everywhere. Or just couples in general where the woman has put some effort into her appearance and the man is dressed like a 13 year old boy. Now get off my lawn. ;-)

171 I'm unhappy with this thread.

Posted by: Dang at March 18, 2013 07:01 PM (R18D0)

Yeah, you should totes bop Ace over the head with your man-purse.  ( I assume you're a dude.)

172 Jesus, there's more simpering and mewling in this thread than I've ever heard from my boys and their friends. "Waah, boys aren't tough anymore." "Waah, an American girl kicked me in the nuts and called me a fag." "Waah, they're all a bunch of betas, not even able to sound tough in internet comment threads." Get over yourselves you homos.

At any given moment there are 2 - 8 boys at our place from 13 - 17 years old. They like regular boy stuff. They play sports. They like cars. They like girls. They like video games. They are extremely loud and smell terrible. As far as I can tell from being around school and talking with other real parents and doing real life stuff, most boys are not morphing into females because of Obama and Piers Morgan.

173

 

If women today are not happy, then our menfolk musta forgot how to fuck.

 

A good fuckin will cure what ails ya.

Nothin puts a smile on woman's face like a good bed-breaking banging.

 

Too much whinin goin on, not enough fuckin.

 

You'd think, with all the free time these days, there'd be more fuckin.

But nooo...there's more whinin and less fuckin.

 

 

174 Look at that twit Mika Brzezinski.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2013 06:58 PM (UOM4

Mark Levin spent Friday's first hour skewering the unindicted aide murderer and his female Ed McMahon.  If you're looking for something to do, listen to the free podcast.  I can almost guarantee you'll get a few laughs out of it.

175 Okay, let's fix things. Repealing the 19th Amendment would be a good start. Who's with me?

Ya, thought so. No worries, the muzzies will pick up the pieces.

176 I agree with you on the 9 year old as teen aspect. But the 26 = kid end...so what? The average lifespan is 80 today. It was 60 a few generations ago. 26/80 is the same ratio as 18/60. We live longer so we become an adult later. Makes perfect sense. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 07:02 PM (HDgX3) Last time I checked, women's biological clocks haven't shifted that much.

177 "173 160 I do think that it's mostly the extension of adolescence to blame. In both directions; people seem to expect teenage attitude out of 9 year olds now (whoever invented the word "tween" can go diaf, please) and the whole everybody-goes-to-college/26 is still a kid thing extends adolescence on that end. Whose idea was this? Teenagers are moody little beasts at least part of the time, and for good reason. Why on earth would we want to encourage this stags of development to last any longer than necessary? Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 18, 2013 06:59 PM (uy2sX) ____________ I agree with you on the 9 year old as teen aspect. But the 26 = kid end...so what? The average lifespan is 80 today. It was 60 a few generations ago. 26/80 is the same ratio as 18/60. We live longer so we become an adult later. Makes perfect sense. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 07:02 PM (HDgX3) " It's the absence of positive role models. Cause and effect.

178 Happy Anniversary, Jane!

179 Later, all. God bless. :-)

180 I'm unhappy with this thread.


Posted by: Dang at March 18, 2013 07:01 PM (R18D0)

Yeah, you should totes bop Ace over the head with your man-purse. ( I assume you're a dude.)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx

It's a European carry-all!

And I'm not happy with it either.

181 @ Aunt Grannie Panties 128, This is an ongoing dispute at the Bean ranch. Wife: "You peed on the toilet seat. Why can't you lift it up before you pee"? Bean: "I'm Sorry, that thing is the incredible heat seeking moisture missile. I will lift the seat up everytime." Middle of the night..a splash is heard followed by rapid confusing wimmen talk. The gist of it is.."why didnt you put the seat down after peeing"? Bean: "Woman, you said lift it up! I did! Every time! I don't know how you fell in there, your butt is wider than anything in the house! I always look before I sit on something to make sure it's there. I guess you just go throwing you big butt anywhere in the universe, defying God and gravity and expect something to magically appear to support said big butt! Lets split duties..I will put er up before peeing, you put er down when you need to squat." Am I wrong?

182 The sexualization of little girls from such an early age is not helping. Sit in any mall and watch girls walk by dressed like hookers. Pre-pubescent girls. What is wrong with their parents? There's this car ad running right now where the dad is waiting for the bus with his little girl (it's her first day at school) and she's dressed the way little girls used to be dressed: cotton dress, sweater, white sox, and boxy Buster Brown style shoes. They must have gone to a consignment shop or antique store to get that outfit because that's not what the kids I see are wearing.

183

At the gym you'll see men in their primes, wearing their weightlifting gloves, lifting 20 lb dumbbells.

 

My wife says the only guy at her Jazzercise class uses 2 lb. pink dumbells, and is pretty proud of it, too.

 

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing you all are: he's a ... uh ... Democrat, shall we say.

184 We live longer so we become an adult later. Makes perfect sense. You're kind of an idiot, aren't you? I mean, you're really good at it. So you've got that going for you.

185 Middle of the night..a splash is heard followed by rapid confusing wimmen talk. ---- Just be grateful your wife's ass is small enough to fall through the big opening. Things can always be worse!

186 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 18, 2013 07:02 PM (+lsX1)

You're lucky.  My kid had some pretty beta friends ... he's fine as it turns out, but that's cuz both his real dad and I are pretty old school.

If left to be raised by his mom alone (a good gal and all), he'd probably be smokin' poles.

187 I'll tell you what is not manly.  A guy dressing up in a pink vagina costume to protest some stupid shit.

That is what I would never want associated with me.

188 The dude playing Satan doesn't look anything like Obama IRL: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d36ao87

189 Let's not forget (as if we could) how parents are portrayed on TV today.  Dad is a drooling idiot, Mom is a chirpy idiot, and the kids are smart-assed superior know-it-alls.

HATE.

190

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 18, 2013 07:05 PM (cCxiu)

 

Allow me to give you my card ...

191 You're kind of an idiot, aren't you

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 18, 2013 07:06 PM (Plelb)

________

Such a cogent and well formatted reply. Not very Christian of you by the way.

192

177
If women today are not happy, then our menfolk musta forgot how to fuck.

A good fuckin will cure what ails ya.
Nothin puts a smile on woman's face like a good bed-breaking banging.

Too much whinin goin on, not enough fuckin.

You'd think, with all the free time these days, there'd be more fuckin.
But nooo...there's more whinin and less fuckin. Posted by: Aunt Grannie Panties

It must have been a while since you had any loving. Gals who get regular attention from their men don't talk like this. Maybe if you shaved your legs and put on some lipstick, someone might take an interest.

Just sayin.

193 74 http://www.returnofkings.com/2090/ how-black-america-has-predicted-our-future Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 18, 2013 06:40 PM (QTHTd) That piece is excellent and dead-on.

194

186...Am I wrong?
 

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at March 18, 2013 07:05 PM (cCxiu)

 

---------

 

You're prolly not fuckin her enough.

 

Ungrateful girl.

She's lucky to have a toilet inside the house, instead of an outdoor outhouse.

 

195 >>>Posted by: Aunt Grannie Panties at March 18, 2013 07:02 PM (rwujx)

Grannie, less talk, more sucking.

196 On a serious note on the topic,  a friend of my wife gave us as an example to her daughter of a "happily married couple".  Made my day.

Like Dennis Prager says,  you can't have happiness without gratitude.  There's also not enough of that.

And being content kicks ass.

197 >>>>>We live longer so we become an adult later. Makes perfect sense.<<<<<

Not really, because women are uhhh, biologically geared to have children in their late teens and twenties. The longer they put it off the harder the pregnancy on them (and the baby) physically and the harder taking care of the children later is going to be. Kids have a lot of energy and it is easier to chase after them in your twenties than your forties.

198 30 Don't people rise (or sink) to the occasion? I'm sure once the Burning Times kick in people will have all sorts of fun opportunities to take manly and heroic action. You know, before they all die and stuff. Posted by: Eaton Cox at March 18, 2013 06:32 PM (+wxCD) That's a good point. When the SHTF, I expect to see a reset of traditional gender roles. Those who are not equipped to cope with it will die off fairly quickly.

199

Yep, and now they're back to carrying their man purses, getting manicures, and waiting in line at Starbucks for their double creme' lattes with extra foam.

 

 

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 18, 2013 07:00 PM (0IhFx)

 

 

Actualy..... there is a Men Going Their Own Way movement out there... just not getting press.

 

I gave up on trying to please society years ago... when no matter what I did I was a Racist Sexist bigot anyway... and you know?  I'm a whole lot happier.

 

I now have a number of friends, whose wives decided to leave them once the kids were raised (so they could 'find themselves') who have now seen the light.... and are a lot happier as they allow themselves to be Men....

 

And the really strange part of it all.... was the Caliber of Lady I dated went UP when I stopped playing that game...

200 You all heard the "If you could go back in time when Hitler was born, would you kill him?" conundrum. Well, I would not. If I could go back in time, I would kill Jerry Springer's grandfather. And I'd all the grandfathers of all the people responsible for putting Springer on the air.

201 he said this was his favorite opera we've been to thus far.

Is that like saying "This is my favorite root-canal so far."?

202 Repealing the 19th Amendment would be a good start.

It's pointless to point out that being an ignorant selfish gullible shitstain is not gender-specific, isn't it?  My "been in college for 12 years and has one bachelors degree in ejukasun but no teaching certificate and took out extra student loans to pay his credit cards because Obama will cancel that debt" brother is worthy of the franchise because he has a dick, but all I do is get up every day and go to work and pay taxes and donate money and time to conservatives, so I should get no say?

Of course, we've established that only married people--like Kim Kardashian and Brittany Spears for three days and Barack Obama--can be considered "responsible, mature, and selfless" and only do what's best for the country, so no one's going to listen to me instead of them.

203 173 Lifespan isn't nearly as important as reproductive window. Women who wait til they are older than 25 to have a baby raise their risk of breast cancer significantly, and waiting til after 35 poses risk to the baby. Besides, just living as a child when you can be an adult is harmful and depressing in and of itself. People are happiest when working to the best of their abilities.

204 Last time I checked, women's biological clocks haven't shifted that much.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 18, 2013 07:03 PM (6zgse)

__________________

True. I was referring to men though.

However girls are getting their periods a lot earlier on average than they were even 20 years ago. Lots of debate why that is, but it is happening. So their clocks are starting to tick earlier even if they stop ticking at the same time as "the good old days".

205

The most pathetic are the lib guys that are only to eager to agree with feminazis about how men are evil, pathetic and potential or actual evil rapists.

 

Yep. It's as if they think that if they abase themselves before they get deprecated they will somehow avoid that deprecation. It's nauseating.

206 Such a cogent and well formatted reply. Not very Christian of you by the way. I'm just lowering my game to your level. You know, so you're comfortable. And after your performance art about Christianity in general earlier today, I'm guessing the whole irony thingy about calling someone "not Christian" is lost on you, huh? Thereby proving my point that you're an idiot. Own it. Be proud.

207

144A waitress asked us, "How do people manage to stay married so long?

 

Uhhh, because they really wanted to be married for the marriage itself, not married for what the marriage gave them. Like money, fast car, handsome man with a head of hair, political standing, big house, exciting lifestyle. When one marries for 'things' and the thing is no longer there, voila! Excuse to stay married vanishes.

 

This is why divorce is rampant. People marry stuff, not each other.

208 Christians are allowed to call people idiots. look it up His Bible is the Cliffs Notes version.

209 Phew. That was a close one. For a minute there I thought I was a goner.

210

With reference to clearly heroic characters - if you expand the definition to include the Classical World's definition of heroism, you could do a lot worse than The Mentalist's Patrick Jayne.

 

Yes, he's a (barely) reformed con artist and a master manipulator, but he is relentlessly focused on his mission to bring down Red John, the serial murderer who killed his wife and child, and he's willing to endure any consequence, from loss of his own life to life in prison,  even willing to alienate anyone and everyone who might care for him, to accomplish that goal.   He's single-minded to a degree that Batman would envy, and with a few tweaks could easily fit into something by Aeschylus.

 

(Yeah, yeah, I know the objection that the show just rips off Psych, which I also enjoy, but they're shooting for some much bigger game in The Mentalist - it ain't a coincidence that the creator is the child of Holocaust survivors, and clearly wants to say some Big Things about evil and the limits of justice.)

211 It's cute to see the trolls coming here to prove the point of ace's thread.

212

Sorry, that was in response to this:

 

If I could go back in time, I would kill Jerry Springer's grandfather. And I'd all the grandfathers of all the people responsible for putting Springer on the air.

 

213

Regarding dress, when I went to the Thanksgiving Dinner of Doom last November, one of the girls hosting it spent the entire day in sweatpants and a sweatshirt.  Her sister wasn't dressed much better.  One of the guys who showed up wore a geek t-shirt.  The only people dressed for the occasion were myself and the married couple. 

It was quite sad, really.  Every day I'm more and more thankful that I'm no longer hanging around those guys, since most of them were wimps and losers.

214
Lifespan isn't nearly as important as reproductive window. Women who wait til they are older than 25 to have a baby raise their risk of breast cancer significantly, and waiting til after 35 poses risk to the baby. Besides, just living as a child when you can be an adult is harmful and depressing in and of itself. People are happiest when working to the best of their abilities.

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 18, 2013 07:10 PM (uy2sX)

_______________

I don't know anyone personally, of my generation generation who had a kid before 25. Man or woman. I had both my kids in my 30s when my wife was in her late 20s. It's unrealistic to expect people today to get married and have kids before 25.

215 @ 195 Divorce Lawyer...LMAO. That was a good one. I'm good, the wife just made some pecan pie!

216 Christians are allowed to call people idiots. look it up
Posted by: JDP

One of my favorite parts.

217 You want to talk about going back to the 19th century, how about we go back to not equating "mature and responsible" with "married"?  Things were shitty for unmarried women over the age of 23 or so back then, but they were treated like adults, not like retarded children.

218 It's unrealistic to expect people today to get married and have kids before 25. ----- The state of Utah disagrees with you.

219 Who's more manly?

Bill Gates or the guy making $8/hr who can bench 400 lbs at the gym?

220

This is why divorce is rampant. People marry stuff, not each other.

 

Yep, that, and wildly unrealistic expectations of what married life is going to be like. Knights on white chargers, damsels in distress, romantic candlelit dinners ... not so much.

 

Bills, crappy diapers, bills, stress, and did I mention bills?

221 Men are from Mars, women are from Hades.

222 The most pathetic are the lib guys that are only to eager to agree with feminazis about how men are evil, pathetic and potential or actual evil rapists.

Yep. It's as if they think that if they abase themselves before they get deprecated they will somehow avoid that deprecation. It's nauseating. Posted by: Jay Guevara


I think they think they'll get laid.

I have seen the hippie chicks.  Not worth it.

At.  All.

223 194 Let's not forget (as if we could) how parents are portrayed on TV today. Dad is a drooling idiot, Mom is a chirpy idiot, and the kids are smart-assed superior know-it-alls. HATE. Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2013 07:07 PM (UOM4 Disney channel drivel. That stuff annoys me any time I have the unfortunate task of watching preteens who are watching that stuff. The kids I sometimes watch are actually nice and very well-behaved, but I frequently feel like slapping the rude children on TV.

224 226 It's unrealistic to expect people today to get married and have kids before 25.
-----
The state of Utah disagrees with you.

Posted by: Y-not at March 18, 2013 07:14 PM (5H6zj)

____________________________

Heh. Fair enough.

225 deep behind the facade of nice suburban Mormonism is a dark underbelly of jealousy and extramarital affairs ---- Oh, I didn't say happily married. But they do marry quite young here still. (Says the woman married at 21!)

226 Things were shitty for unmarried women over the age of 23 or so back then, but they were treated like adults, not like retarded children. THIS. Thereby demonstrating that they are more than capable of responsibility at a young age and are, dare I say, hard-wired for it.

227 Posted by: 2nd (Blue) Uniform at March 18, 2013 07:12 PM (wJliR) IIRC, The Mentalist was on the air before Psych so IMHO, Psych is ripping off The Mentalist!

228 229 Men are from Mars, women are from Hades.

 

 

Posted by: Oswald at March 18, 2013 07:15 PM (5fSr7)

 

 

Well said... /hands Oswald a beer...

229 Name a heroic figure on TV today. In the vampire world: Damon Salvatore http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0813812/?ref_=tt_cl_t3

230
At the gym you'll see men in their primes, wearing their weightlifting gloves, lifting 20 lb dumbbells.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 18, 2013 07:06 PM (IDSI7)


In my powerlifting days gloves weren't allowed in meets so didn't used them.
Used a razor blade to shave down the callous.

231

Who's more manly?

Bill Gates or the guy making $8/hr who can bench 400 lbs at the gym?

 

Insufficient data to solve problem.

232 Insufficient data to solve problem. Doesn't matter. Whatever your answer, he'll say the other one is right.

233 220, I had all four of my kids before 25. And the median age for first time mothers is 25 right now. But really the fact that people think it's unrealistic is the point, and the problem. Most people can be adults and parents at a biologically realistic age like 22 or 24, like previous generations, but our society has convinced us otherwise, scared us off. Try telling a healthy man to stay in a wheelchair, to not do what he can do, and see if that doesn't mess him up. It's much the same thing.

234 I think Jerry Springer has done far more damage to American society than Soros.

235 The word "idiot" and "retarded" have popped up here in the last few minutes.  A FB friend is all into the banning of the "R word" because it's become a derogatory word and this person thinks people who use that word are "idiots".  Anyone else see the irony in that?

236 Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 18, 2013 07:10 PM (hO8IJ) I think (most) people here are joking when they talk about repealing the 19th amendment. As a happy single girl in her mid-(gasp!) thirties, I've never gotten a vibe of disapproval of single women here. Just disapproval of silly single women. Sure, people make general statements, but typing up all the caveats is time-consuming and I usually assume the caveats are implied.

237 241 234 oh i was joking, i don't really know. i'm from the California People's Republic

Posted by: JDP at March 18, 2013 07:19 PM (60GaT

Bless your heart.

238 Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 18, 2013 07:18 PM (Plelb) I had a few unmarried female relatives that came through the Depression. None of the feminazis would have survived for a week what they did for years!

239 143 We shave our legs, too. And our heads! Posted by: Brittney and Sinead at March 18, 2013 06:54 PM (UrENZ) Something wrong with that???? Hey, I be That Chick! Could you email me again please? Your mail got crushed be the deluge and I couldn't remember your name.

240

A FB friend is all into the banning of the "R word" because it's become a derogatory word and this person thinks people who use that word are "idiots".

 

What a moron.

241

The word "idiot" and "retarded" have popped up here in the last few minutes. A FB friend is all into the banning of the "R word" because it's become a derogatory word and this person thinks people who use that word are "idiots". Anyone else see the irony in that?

A battalion commander of mine had his Master's degree in Mental Retardation.  He liked to joke that he was allowed to say that he was trained to work with retards.

242 Why?  Probably because neither gender is really interested in fulfilling its God-ordained roles, and in fact, whines and screams and pitches a fit whenever it is reminded of these roles.  People can pretend all they want that these roles don't exist, or that they're just relics from ancient theocratic patriarchists, or whatever, but the fact remains that when something acts contrary to its intended purposes, there is stress placed on it that will eventually break it.

243

197...It must have been a while since you had any loving. Gals who get regular attention from their men don't talk like this. Maybe if you shaved your legs and put on some lipstick, someone might take an interest.
Just sayin. 

 

Posted by: ALH at March 18, 2013 07:08 PM (eqV3Q) 

 

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Oh dear. I been schooled.

 

But at least I know better than to dive into a bait thread like this without a sock.

 

244 It's cute to see the trolls coming here to prove the point of ace's thread. I love trolls. They reinforce my belief in a true meriticracy. They all demonstrate the same traits though. 1) lack of self-awareness 2) immunity to irony 3) logical inconsistency 4) misanthropy It's ok to have #4 - provided you don't have # 1-3.

245 Who's more manly?Bill Gates or the guy making $8/hr who can bench 400 lbs at the gym?

Is that the same guy who was was flirting with the towel boy in the showers?

246

As a happy single girl in her mid-(gasp!) thirties, I've never gotten a vibe of disapproval of single women here. Just disapproval of silly single women.

Sure, people make general statements, but typing up all the caveats is time-consuming and I usually assume the caveats are implied.

The problem is with women who choose to remain single into their thirties with the absurd notion that they are not giving up anything.  Women who choose a career over family or who are faced with events in life that prevent them from dating/finding a mate but who are aware of what it means are not the problem.  It's the ones who think, "I'll wait until I'm 30 to get married, and 33 to have my first child..."

247 I had a few unmarried female relatives that came through the Depression. None of the feminazis would have survived for a week what they did for years!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2013 07:21 PM (Cnqmv

THIS^^^  I had two elderly great, great aunts who were sisters who had never married and ran a tobacco farm in north Florida when I was a little girl.  They raised everything they ate (even churning their own butter).  Lived in an old Victorian house down a dirt road.

Best "lunch" I ever had in my life was on their screened porch:  fried chicken freshly killed in their yard, fresh veggies, biscuits with freshly churned butter. 

Now I'm hungry, and we're eating late tonight.

248 Hrothgar - that could well be the case, as I haven't checked the original air dates, but that's the standard criticism I see.  For all its formulaic aspects, though, I still find The Mentalist a compelling watch, and Patrick Jayne is a monument to rationalism and logic.  In a sense, it's an interesting variant on the Columbo shtick, where it wasn't whodunit but how's he gonna get 'em - here, we've still got the central mystery, but the real fun is the creative ways, often drawn from stage illusions and (of course) mentalism, Jayne employs to bring the bad guys their comeuppance.

249 A FB friend is all into the banning of the "R word" because it's become a derogatory word and this person thinks people who use that word are "idiots".

What a moron. Posted by: Grey Fox

Exactly.

250 We don't have the kind of male role models we used to when Rock Hudson and Tab Hunter were stars.

251

The word "idiot" and "retarded" have popped up here in the last few minutes. A FB friend is all into the banning of the "R word" because it's become a derogatory word and this person thinks people who use that word are "idiots". Anyone else see the irony in that?

 

On a serious note, I think that the entemology of "idiot," "moron", "retard," etc., is a warning against believing that changing the language will alter reality - every word, no matter how much of a euphemism, to designate low intellect, eventually becomes an insult.

252 I'm not a huge proponent of early marriages, but I believe one of the reasons people don't get married as early as they used to is what we are talking about here - extended adolescence. When I finally decided I would like to get married (when I was 16 or so), I didn't plan to get married before I was 30, which is how it's worked out, and I'm happy about how my life has turned out so far. (I do enjoy being unmarried and childless right now, although I would love to have kids.) But I didn't plan to stay a woman-child either.

253

@226 - 226It's unrealistic to expect people today to get married and have kids before 25.
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The state of Utah disagrees with you.

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And the LDS church letting young men and women go on missions earlier (as of last October) is going to drop that age of marriage down even more.

 

254 Why I am so disappointed in Mr. Bergoglio--He thinks the Kelpers must pay for whatever slights he feels have been dealt to the Argentinian people, but he's just going to give one big indulgence to the Argentinian people, their governments, the Jesuit order, and the Catholic Church for anything wrong they have ever done in the past--that they are now without sin. Horseshit. Of course, maybe I am being too harsh. Why shouldn't the Kelpers embrace the Argentinian form of government? It has been free from a military dictatorship for at least the last five minutes or so, and the current government hasn't confiscated any property via default or fiat today. Though there is always tomorrow. But at any rate, they haven't done so *today*. So it is time for the Islanders to get on board with Argentinian views, because in Argentina, they do what is right by their own eyes, and the rest of the world will just have to follow. I wish Mr. Bergoglio the best as he tries to make men act according to his lights.

255 I was weak, I gave in and watched 4 eps of Girls, the first two of each season, to see what the fuss was about, took the bullet for you guys. Cannot even explain the horror, I called my sis up and just ranted after.


Part of it was the the men on the show, how poorly men are depicted. One was a typical hipster infantile d-bag, with Lena's character crawling back to him every time. Their sex scene in the first ep was so loveless and desperately sad, I skipped over it quickly. Another boy was a wimpy hipster desperate to please; his girlfriend didn't respect him at all or appreciate it, even despised him for loving her too much. The only decent guy was the token black republican, and of course he only lasts the 2 eps Lena needed to ake the point that she isn't racist, you guys.


Are they telling us that THIS is the result of decades of the feminist movement? THIS is what we were supposed to look forward to, or put up with? Because if so take it back, I don't want it.


sadly, Girls DOES bring up interesting ideas for discussion, but lazily drops them and does not do a good exploration of the topic. Like how to date people with different politics or beliefs than yours, or dealing with a partner who does not appreciate your art or what you like. Interesting topics, quickly dropped by poor writing. Okay I'll stop ranting now.

256 On a serious note,I think that the entemology of "idiot," "moron", "retard," etc., is a warning against believing that changing the language will alter reality - every word, no matter how much of a euphemism, to designate low intellect, eventually becomes an insult. Posted by: Grey Fox at March 18, 2013 07:27 PM (/ZHx6) Say what...!

257 but he's just going to give one big indulgence to the Argentinian people, their governments, the Jesuit order, and the Catholic Church for anything wrong they have ever done in the past--that they are now without sin I think you misunderstand what an indulgence does.

258

No more "cowboys and Indians" no more dodge ball,  

no more pointing a hand like a gun, no more winners and losers, everyone gets a trophy.

 

Who makes these rules ? The pu$$ie$ that couldn't compete.

 They tend to be drawn to politics and media, where there is little bloodshed, unfortunately.

259

Are they telling us that THIS is the result of decades of the feminist movement? THIS is what we were supposed to look forward to, or put up with? Because if so take it back, I don't want it.

Everything that I've heard about the show suggests that Lena Dunham is in fact a conservative plant.  The show seems to basically trash on the SWPL lifestyle as morally degrading and physically harmful.

260 Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 18, 2013 07:24 PM (lr3d7) I planned to wait till I was 30, and I don't see anything wrong with that. (It's not like I had a choice though. No one has asked me to marry them yet!) The women in my family, at least on my mom side, almost all had kids fairly late (even if they had their first kids in their twenties), so I'm not worried about childbirth. I think the key is making your life choices, acknowledging the consequences thereof, and not b*tching about not being able to have it all. And I would imagine most single women aren't really single by choice. You can't pick up men at the grocery store, you know.

261 Who makes these rules ? The pu$$ie$ that couldn't compete. They tend to be drawn to politics, academia, and media, where there is little bloodshed, unfortunately. Posted by: seamrog at March 18, 2013 07:31 PM (CrT5L)

262

I think the key is making your life choices, acknowledging the consequences thereof, and not b*tching about not being able to have it all.

That's the key: open eyes. 


And I would imagine most single women aren't really single by choice. You can't pick up men at the grocery store, you know.

My father has some stories that would disagree.

263 And the LDS church letting young men and women go on missions earlier (as of last October) is going to drop that age of marriage down even more. -------- Yeah. It's actually a problem that they didn't think through very well and now are kind of regretting (husband has connections w/ high up church folks 'tho we're not LDS). The women in our state already have the lowest college education/graduation rate in the country. Now the expectation is that it will drop further, which is actually contrary to what the church said it wanted to see happen. Plus our universities' budgets are getting slammed b/c of the sudden unanticipated dip in enrollment. I realize there's a lot of college education bashing, but the fact remains that women with at least an associates degree make more money than w/out (and more still as they go up in educational attainment). And from what I've seen, divorce is not that rare here, so they'd better get educated if they're going to support themselves and their kids.

264

Strong men cry too.

265 I saw the word "idiot" used in a Latin text from the 1600s. It was used in the context of the Orthodox archbishop* Cosmas in Egypt. Apparently Cosmas used to make needles in the market, and then he got elevated to his position, and the Copts didn't like it.

(*"Melkite patriarch", if we're splitting hairs. Anyway he was loyal to Constantinople, which was also running the Catholic church in the West at the time, 740ish AD. I found this in Pococke's translation of Eutychius couple weeks back.)

There is no way that Cosmas, however "prole" and unlettered he was, was stupid. Hell, Cosmas's main sin in the Egyptian Christians' eyes was probably that he just didn't speak Coptic.

In context, the pre-1800 use of "idiot" implied more of an ignoramus or a clown - or illiterate - than of someone who was truly mentally incompetent.

266 Ok, time to peel potatoes for the man's supper. Literally! ;-) Take care, guys/gals.

267 Y-not, I agree with you. I am a proponent of women pursuing education, especially in non-traditional fields (STEM in particular) so that they are able to support themselves if they need to. For example, you could have the best caring husband in the world, but what if he dies or is incapacitated? And I don't necessarily mean college education. Just have a skill that can support you.

268 I planned to wait till I was 30, and I don't see anything wrong with that. As the father of a little girl with Down Syndrome, I'd advise you not to wait.

269

well given her interviews i'd say this is a case of conservative pundits (have seen some mention it) reading into something that's critical of modern life for certain groups of people, but doesn't really endorse a positive alternative either.

Yeah, I know she's a flaming libtard.  If nothing else at least it's somewhat of an acknowledgement that the lifestyle isn't healthy, which is a start.

270 222 Christians are allowed to call people idiots. look it up Posted by: JDP One of my favorite parts. Posted by: Dang at March 18, 2013 07:13 PM (R18D0) Jesus name-called *and* got snarky a few times! (I just love it when people who haven't read the book since their momma stopped dragging them to Sunday School try to tell others how a Christian is alleged supposed to act.)

271 One of the few things I liked Coulter for is her thwarting of the "word police" as it regards usage of he word 'retard', etc.

272 Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 18, 2013 07:37 PM (Plelb) Too late! I'm 34. And even though I didn't want to get married until I was 30, I had a boyfriend at 26 that I was ready to say yes to until he messed up big time. And I wouldn't have waited forever to have kids - only a couple of years at the most. So this is where God has me now, and I'm not too worried. My mom had most of us from the ages of 32-43.

273 I do advise women though that if they have the opportunity they shouldn't wait too long to have kids because having kids in your 30s or older isn't ideal (biologically speaking).

274 John Wayne, in the movie McGlintock, called these males "dudes"

275

Hrothgar

Thanks, I missed that one.

276

As the hippy sage said at Berkeley in the late 60's, "Gas, grass or ass, nobody rides for free."

 

When it gets all too easy to get laid because the ladies are giving it away, why does a guy ever have to grow up?

 

  Useta be that you had to show her you could support her before she "gave it up" so to speak.  Now what the heck--if you've got male genitalia, it's yours for the taking.   Feminism is just another way of saying that women get screwed---and it's the cause of more of that than the old lifestyle.   I'm not saying that women are dumb--because they aren't.  But they were sold a bushel of bullshit by the early feminists.  And they've been paying ever since.

 

277 It's simple. Modern PC society expects women to be more like men and men to be more like women. Masculinity and femininity are evil and must be destroyed.

278 Chique, I'm in a similar boat. Early thirties and unmarried. Part of it is that I don't put myself out there, just go through my normal routine, part of it is that Utah can be a strange place to date. But I haven't WANTED to settle down either, at least not until lately. I've seen the consequences of bad marriages; not for me. Haven't found that right person yet. Better to be single and happy than married and miserable, right?  I have a life, I travel, I enjoy the people in my life that I love. Marrige will happen when it will happen.

279 Better to be single and happy than married and miserable, right? I have a life, I travel, I enjoy the people in my life that I love. Marrige will happen when it will happen. Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2013 07:47 PM (8wqqE) My sentiments exactly. I'm not going to mope around because I don't have a husband and kids. I use my singleness and childlessness to my advantage - flexible time, I can just up and travel if I like. A huge plus is that I live utterly alone and love it, and loneliness is an extremely, extremely rare feeling for me. I love, love, love being alone. But if marriage ever happens, I also expect to enjoy it and love my hubby and kids to death.

280

Plus, the guy that plays Patrick Jayne is a stealth Aussie, and I don't think he's the only one on the show - what is it with the invasion from Down Under?  The Canuckistanis were at least up front about their bid for global entertainment domination, but the Aussies have been silently infiltrating for years now, and they're everywhere!

 

Was that the real point of the whole Mel Gibson thing?  Hey!  Look at the crazy Aussie expat with all his "you will blow me" schtick - don't pay any attention to Nigel and Clive and Fred over here.  (Faint sounds of didgeridoo from "I Come From the Land Down Under" barely audible over "And this is Bruce, and the first rule is no poofters."  Mel goes loco at just the right time to allow most of suburban Melbourne enough cover to transition to American airwaves.

281 Ignore C., please. It's a troll.

282 Oh, I agree that getting a college education or a marketable skill is a good thing; I don't mean to make it sound otherwise. I went to school when my older kids were babies (which brings up daycare, a thorny issue among some conservatives). I'm just annoyed with the idea that you must go to college, and that you're not really an adult til you do. While we're at it, my other pet annoyance is this thing everyone says "oh you should go travel and enjoy your twenties before you're tied down". For those who want to do that, and understand the risks, fine. But I hate the idea that somehow I didn't really experience or enjoy my twenties just because I spent them with my husband and kids.

283

@290Chique, I'm in a similar boat. Early thirties and unmarried. Part of it is that I don't put myself out there, just go through my normal routine, part of it is that Utah can be a strange place to date

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I'm in an LDS mid-singles congregation.  It's...  interesting...

 

And since I've probably revealed enough information in the past for people to figure out exactly which congregation it is, I think I'll leave it at that.

 

284

Posted by: Y-not at March 18, 2013 07:34 PM (5H6zj)

I actually saw the missionary age change as a good thing, despite the fact the higher ed budgets are suffering. The new era of man-child syndrome is just as prevalent in the LDS church as anywhere else. The church has had a huge problem of transitioning the youth to taking on more adult roles in the church. For girls, the gap between being in Young Women's and moving on to Relief Society has not been smooth. I see it as a chance for them to be able to do the mission, which will help them grow up, and still be able to do college through deferments and the like. The rigors of a mission is just as good for girls as boys, and now they don't have to feel like they have to choose; they can do school, marriage, and mission, and it is ok. At least that's my take on it.

Hope you're doing well, and enjoying the warmer Utah weather s much as I am!

285 But if marriage ever happens, I also expect to enjoy it and love my hubby and kids to death.Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 18, 2013 07:50 PM (6zgse)


YES. THIS. I know I want a family, and have enough good role models of how to be a good parent/wife that I'm pretty sure I'll love it when the time comes. But I'm enjoying singlehood while it lasts, so I'm not that petty person who ends up blaming their hubby and kids for ruining their life in their prime. I refuse to be that person.

286

Technology today allows women to be much freer these days than their Great Grand-mothers ever dreamed. Appliances like washing machines takes hours out of the weekly routine. A woman can live sucessfully on her own without any assistance from a man. Women are more likely to go to college and earn as much or more than a man. I fear it will take a total collapse of society to return male-female relationships to traditional roles. Unless,  of course, you're already wired that way. As for me, I enjoy being feminine!

 

287 Raising a nation of pussies, both de jure' and de facto (viz., Obama), will not turn out well for this country. I say this even as the US armed forces are pretty darn awesome, or would be if the upper level managers were not, er, pussies whose rules of engagement make it clear they'd rather let our enemies live to kill again and again rather than be labelled cruel by some leftist retards... Its all related to the gilded cage of big government. People who would voluntarily surrender our freedoms to parasitical bureaucrats for a mere promise of security never to be realized are ruining this country. What kind of people punish kids for making pastry guns and call in grief counselors ? What a nation of pussies. At least there are no ominous clouds in the distance, like a nuked' up Iran, economic collapse, fascist China and Russia, the most corrupt and satanic anti-american ever to disgrace the office of president...

288  I'm divorced (2 years) and dated women my age (late 30's/early 40's) since.   I'm no model of sanity (having married my ex to begin with) but man, those single, never married, late 30's/early 40's women are A1 cuckoo compared to me. 

289

3 kids, two with special needs - 9, 6 and 4.  Indeed not easy. Best thing that ever happened to me.

Meaning of life marvelously clear to me now.  Not easy, but, you know, meaningful. 

290 these types of articles are just wrong-headed from the get-go.

although i do agree there are boatloads of perpetual adolescents from both sexes, the case isnt always a stark black and white.

firstly, more people travel and hop around from place to place, dont like biloxi miss.? no prob, just split somewhere else if it doesnt suit you. people werent moving about like this one hundred yrs ago.

jobs have gotten annoying also. i've always thought that certain types of occupation will break up a family easily. you cant expect parents to hustle away endless hours at work and be apart while trying to raise a family. aint gonna happen jack. and christs sakes have you seen some of the costs for day-care? its really ridiculous in some areas.  work and home-life is a delicate thing to maintain, and itll only be worse if you got a whole lot of chirrenses.

with all the movement across the country its very difficult to even find a friggin WIFE youll stay with let alone date for an entire summer.  life isnt a reflection of hollywood love stories or what we personally wish it to be. all those nice and pretty girls cavorting around with douchers isnt some cosmic coincidence, its in most women's DNA to want somebody who NEEDS them for care. its a maternal thing, so if youre not some idiotic jerk you aint gettin the dream girl, and alot of men wont lower their visual standards of what they want. besides, the most successful marriages ive seen are between 'independent'-alpha types. the co-dependent people usually end up in court...or a make shift boxing ring...then back to bed.

291

It's like, that dude on Longmire is an Aussie - craggy-faced, twenty-first century Marlborough Man character.   Yet somehow we couldn't find any American actor who looked the part, so we grab somebody who thinks a chicken is "chook" and probably actually enjoys vegemite and slap a Stetson on him.

 

Stealth-Aussies....they're everywhere, not willing to be out and proud about it like Rod Taylor or Paul Hogan or Millard Fillmore.... no, they've got to hide it until we catch them laughing at something from Dame Edna, or stumble across their complete series of Aunty Jack remastered for DVD.

 

This is worrying - if the blokes and the sheilas are here already and so prominently featured in our tv and film output, what are the roos and the koalas up to behind the scenes?  What if they brought the drop bears with them?

292

Btw - We know for sure Jesus was the son of God. Why you ask?

Because he never married.

So what you say?

He saw the future. He knew that one day he would be dying an excruciating death and at the foot of the cross his wife would be there . . . 

complaining about what a bad day she was having . . .

293 "Manly, yes, but I like it too."

294 "The good life includes suffering as well as contentment" is a tough sell when immediate pain is defined as bad and ready pleasure as good. Rugged self-control, exertion, endurance, these are painful things. If you look only at present pain and pleasure, there is no satisfaction that endures, no lure for betterment. If you look to the soul and the future, the ache from exertion is self-satisfying, the inch forward today is enjoyable, those painful little brats are a pleasure. The term for such reward is long. Ain' nobody got time f'r that.

295 On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife) Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith, And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death." In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all, By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul; But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy, And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

296 Mr. Moo Moo & I-95- Not bad at all gents. I feel like every generation has aspects which are negative; whether religious or secular. Religious people, like secular people are equally capable of good and bad. It's not for nothing that feminism became so popular when office ass smacks and glass ceilings were the norm. All this happened when society was "Christian". Now the pendulum swings the other way; with men becoming too feminized that women are disappointed. Our tough times will perhaps push the pendulum to the center. However, expecting people to get married at 18 like they did in 1935 is irrational-for better or worse we've made college the benchmark for success. I will confess a personal side note: at 20 I feel definitely ready to be married, but I've heard "I don't want a serious relationship until I'm 25" so many times it's not even funny. And, because I'm NOT willing to sacrifice looks (sorry) I will inevitably wait painfully to be married. But then again I'm a dude, I can marry a 23 year old as a 40 year old God forbid. (Fred Thompson did it, don't judge me Anyways our society still makes 0321 USMC Reconaissance Men, we'll be fine.

297 Male happiness results from things that make him happy. Female happiness results from providing those things and/or preventing them.

298 Alan Watts wrote this in 1966 (i.e., almost 50 years ago): Furthermore, the younger members of our society have for some time been in growing rebellion against paternal authority and the paternal state. For one reason, the home in an industrial society is chiefly a dormitory, and the father does not work there, with the result that wife and children have no part in his vocation. He is just a character who brings in money, and after working hours he is supposed to forget about his job and have fun. Novels, magazines, television, and popular cartoons therefore portray “Dad” as an incompetent clown. And the image has some truth in it because Dad has fallen for the hoax that work is simply something you do to make money, and with money you can get anything you want. Watts, Alan W. (2011-09-2 . The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are (pp. 152-153). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

299 This is easy to answer. Both are eff-ed up because people begin subscribing to cultural ideas of what a "man" and "woman" should be. We are warped because of culture. When you look through the lens of culture at men or women, then you are seeing an aberration. We can blame feminism, but why did feminism come about? Men played a part in the rise of feminism. Where men will not lead and do the right thing, there are plenty of women who will and in the process say, "You men, you failed and you continue to fail in doing the right thing. So therefore, we don't really believe in your authority anymore." Teenagers rebel against in their parents in the same manner. Quit blaming just one gender for this mess. If you're looking through a cultural lens at what men or women are supposed to be/look like, then blame yourself for helping to eff up the whole thing too. You don't automatically get to be in charge just because you have balls. Get some character and dignity if you want to be in charge and have authority.