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March 18, 2013

How to Fix a Broken Hockey Stick
— Ace

Crazy glue, duct tape, and tampering with the data.

Hide the decline, baby.

We wrote here about a recent effort by a group of climate alarmists headed by geologist Shaun Marcott to resurrect Michael MannÂ’s discredited hockey stick. The Marcott paper, as you would expect, received uncritical coverage in the liberal press. But it didnÂ’t take long for climate scientists to begin taking it apart, as we noted in our post.
Now Steve McIntyre, who was principally responsible for showing that MannÂ’s original hockey stick was a fraud, has gone over MarcottÂ’s data on the key proxies he uses for 20th century temperatures, ocean cores. McIntyre found that Marcott and his colleagues used previously published ocean core data, but have altered the dates represented by the cores, in some cases by as much as 1,000 years.

Obviously if you shift core samples showing cooler temperatures back in time and samples showing higher temperatures forward in time you're going to get a graph that shows... temperatures rising from cooler to warmer.

But... why would you change the f***ing dates? This is supposed to be science, not screenwriting. You are not allowed to compress events and change dates in a science, even if it leads to the more dramatic narrative arc you were hoping for.

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1 But it's SCIENCE.

Posted by: rd at March 18, 2013 12:01 PM (zLp5I)

2 This is supposed to be science, not screenwriting.

Nice.

Screenwriting gets the grants, though...

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 18, 2013 12:02 PM (/kI1Q)

3 Science is settled, damn it. So settled I don't have to do any more real science!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 12:02 PM (FsUAO)

4 The Narrative will triumph over the unyielding data.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 18, 2013 12:03 PM (u82oZ)

5 It was all a narrative to make money (and, hence, rule the world). And, photoshopped polar bears on melting ice certainly helped with the narrative.

Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 12:04 PM (XYSwB)

6 "But... why would you change the f***ing dates?"

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Because you gotta keep those sweet, sweet government grant dollars coming in.

Posted by: sluggo at March 18, 2013 12:05 PM (vVv3V)

7 As a recovering synthetic organometallic chemist, I should note that scientific advances are accepted after the previous generation of eminent and wrong scientists die.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 18, 2013 12:05 PM (u82oZ)

8 The question I ask every one of the AGW nutbags and never seem to be able to get an answer to: If the science is so irrefutable, why do these so-called "scientists" continually lie and manipulate their data?

Posted by: wiserbud at March 18, 2013 12:05 PM (WCe8r)

9 After we play "Hide the Decline", I'll show you a little game called "hide the salami"

Posted by: Shaun Marcott at March 18, 2013 12:05 PM (mCvL4)

10 Silly Ace ... still a Denier, huh?

Because Science, that's why.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at March 18, 2013 12:05 PM (GRvW4)

11 You can't play with a broken stick. It's in the rules.

Posted by: garrett at March 18, 2013 12:05 PM (JGKOY)

12 Presdent Obama would nevers lye about such things. We trust Presdent Obama more then stooped scientist from right wing orginizations. We are willing to pay more for electricity from renewables light solor, wind and bio-feuls. We care about the children more then utilities companies only in it for the monney. Right now most of us in our town only burn wood for fuel which does not pillote the environment because it is clean, natural and from the earth unlike coal and oil.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at March 18, 2013 12:06 PM (IkHXL)

13 Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, SPOCK!

Posted by: Shaun Marcott at March 18, 2013 12:06 PM (mCvL4)

Yeah, I saw this headline and expected a how-to video on repairing broken hockey sticks.

Sorry, I've been all-hockey, all the time the past few weeks.

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at March 18, 2013 12:06 PM (XMDuf)

15 Some climate scientists are starting to remind me of bad cops who think it's OK to plant evidence - they KNOW the suspect's guilty, dammit; they're just being made to jump through unreasonable hoops. I actually know some good ones, too. But the mass of them are unwilling to police their field.

Posted by: JPS at March 18, 2013 12:07 PM (HS4aU)

Global Warmig is correct because it is the Concensus of scientists and the media. That makes me a AGW Science denier. But I am in good company.

-- sort of like Galileo in the 17th century. His beliefs in a helio centric solar system went against the Concensus of the Holy Church and the "right thinking" people. He was jailed and made to renounce his beliefs.

But in the end, Galileo was correct, not the Concensus.

Posted by: rd at March 18, 2013 12:07 PM (zLp5I)

17 13 Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, SPOCK!

Posted by: Shaun Marcott at March 18, 2013 04:06 PM (mCvL4)

LIZARD, you denialists !!!!

Posted by: Dr Charles Johnson, Scienceologist at March 18, 2013 12:08 PM (mCvL4)

18 "This is supposed to be science, not screenwriting."

Perfect, Ace. Perfect.

Posted by: Dang at March 18, 2013 12:08 PM (R18D0)

19 Wait for the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the warmistas. It will be harsh and shrill. And ever increasing in volume. Taking money away from warmistas is like taking candy away from a baby, or votes away from a Democrat. And some are starting to question the usefulness of funding their research and the ever increased need for mitigation from something that isn't even happening.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 18, 2013 12:08 PM (71LDo)

20 wow, just wow.

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 12:08 PM (QxSug)

21 This is truly the Age of Lies. No one is punished and no one believes.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 18, 2013 12:09 PM (+paCV)

22 I understand what you're saying and it looks like Mann has repeatedly manipulated data.

But I still believe in Global Warming.

Posted by: A. Sheep at March 18, 2013 12:09 PM (3B9Ag)

23 Lying liars and the lying lies they lie with.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at March 18, 2013 12:10 PM (QupBk)

24 Science is a religion to some. So accept it or be labeled an apostate.

And ignore great Christian philosophical and intellectual writing such as St. Thomas' Summa Theologica. Because it's Christian based or something.

Posted by: Marcus at March 18, 2013 12:10 PM (GGCsk)

25 On a serious note, I had been a member of AAAS for years. Loved the weekly journal delivered in the mail each week, stuffed with the white papers of who and what was being discovered, dissected, and analyzed all around the world. And, great stuff for writers, who use science to tell a story. It's a great creative jolt. But, when this wave of man-made global warming hit, and their backing of it, I had to cut ties. It sickened me. Same with Communication Arts and their vitriol display of conservatives. And, even Outdoor magazine, which covered all the latest and greatest in outdoor adventurers. Lib after lib was being thrown in your face. It was unprecedented. Even Bawney Frank showed up in an issue. It's never been this bad.

Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 12:10 PM (XYSwB)

26 "But... why would you change the f***ing dates?"

Well...intentional, criminal fraud comes to mind.

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 18, 2013 12:11 PM (AiYlm)

27 Its more like a lacrosse basket-thinger now

Posted by: Bigby's Orthotic Elbow at March 18, 2013 12:11 PM (3ZtZW)

28 Warmism is another religion.

Posted by: steevy at March 18, 2013 12:11 PM (9XBK2)

29 They should have known this game of shifting dates would never work. Just try it on your wedding anniversary. You will get a lot more than a hockey stick for your trouble.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 18, 2013 12:11 PM (j3uk1)

30 Can we put the authors in the penalty box?

Isn't fallacy like a Five Minute Major or something?

Posted by: Marcus at March 18, 2013 12:11 PM (GGCsk)

31 Serious question (really): The Powerline post asserts that the temps from the 30s, etc., have been changed, lowered in order to indicate a drastic change with current temps.

How is that assertion supported? Where can I find this?

Posted by: Pious Agnostic at March 18, 2013 12:12 PM (PpLfy)

32 Actually, if it is screenwriting, it's a pretty piss-poor job. For starters, use a baseball bat, not a friggin' hockey stick, to make your point.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 18, 2013 12:12 PM (deaac)

33 But... why would you change the f***ing dates?

Because time machine, that's why.

Posted by: EC at March 18, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)

34 Day by day, every day, I feel like I'm in the penultimate scene from "Pork Chop Hill," where a squad of GI's is trapped inside a bunker, trying to hold off 2 divisions of PLA infantry coming at them from all sides. At the end, they are relieved but I am not feeling that help is on the way any time soon... if at all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 12:12 PM (XkWWK)

35 I want to know why a merciful universe would give a 3 billion year old planet teh warmening

Posted by: Bigby's Orthotic Elbow at March 18, 2013 12:12 PM (3ZtZW)

36 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 12:13 PM (4OvDk)

37 Global Warming is the left's religion. As wacked as the right's.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 12:13 PM (HDgX3)

38 For starters, use a baseball bat, not a friggin' hockey stick, to make your point.

Worked OK in that one Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Movie.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 18, 2013 12:13 PM (/kI1Q)

39 And, even Outdoor magazine, which covered all the latest and greatest in outdoor adventurers. Lib after lib was being thrown in your face. It was unprecedented. Even Bawney Frank showed up in an issue. I don't think Bawney was doing the kind of "outdoor adventuring" they normally would cover. Related: TFG told Israeli TV he wanted to put on a fake mustache and wander alone through Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 18, 2013 12:13 PM (B/VB5)

40 She blinded me with Science.

Posted by: Thomas Dolby at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (Qxdfp)

41 Remember, the evil BIG OIL is behind the denialist movement, but being supported BIG GOVERNMENT is pure and honorable and would never, ever require someone to tell a lie to keep that sweet, sweet grant money flowing.

Posted by: wiserbud at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (WCe8r)

42 George Lemaitre: Belgian priest and physicist who originated the big bang theory. But anything even remotely adjacent to religion or the actual scientific method is a fraud because fuck you it's not cool and also Obama rulez.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (+paCV)

43 Maybe using the Mayan calendar wasn't such a good idea.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (j3uk1)

44 Michael Mann makes me think of "Manhunter." And "Manhunter" makes me think of "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" on a continuous loop.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (NRSDk)

45 It's almost as if "Global Warming" is not actually a scientific idea, and is instead an ideological one.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (4OvDk)

46 Keep compressing events and dates and the dinosaurs will have been shown to have 1998 Grand Cherokees. and Yugos.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (9o4n/)

47 -- This is supposed to be science, not screenwriting. -- Well, whatever it's supposed to be, it more resembles an attempt to rewrite "2012."

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at March 18, 2013 12:14 PM (GCzY/)

48 40 She blinded me with Science. Posted by: Thomas Dolby at March 18, 2013 04:14 PM (Qxdfp) Or a jar of H2SO4.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 12:15 PM (XkWWK)

49 Science my ass. This is the religion of leftism.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 18, 2013 12:15 PM (I2LwF)

50 37 Global Warming is the left's religion. As wacked as the right's. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 04:13 PM (HDgX3) And what religion is that, Prince Mishkin?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 12:15 PM (XkWWK)

51 If Gaia loved me, why did he not create any friends for me?!!?!?

Posted by: Honey Foo Foo at March 18, 2013 12:16 PM (FsUAO)

>>>Well, whatever it's supposed to be, it more resembles an attempt to rewrite "2012."

O no you din'int

Posted by: Mayans at March 18, 2013 12:16 PM (3ZtZW)

53 Come with me if you want to live.

Posted by: Ocean Core Temperature data at March 18, 2013 12:16 PM (GQ8sn)

You are not allowed to compress events and change dates in a science, even if it leads to the more dramatic narrative arc you were hoping for.

Clearly the scientists thought they were writing a memoir. It worked for Obama.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 18, 2013 12:16 PM (4df7R)

55 It's never been this bad.]/i]

Barack Obama - 44th most powerful man in sports.

Posted by: Sports Illustrated, circling the bowl at March 18, 2013 12:16 PM (WCe8r)

56 If you look at how fat Al Gore has gotten it makes you think that maybe, just maybe, he knows something about a looming famine.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 18, 2013 12:16 PM (+lsX1)

57 If one applied the same scientific rigor to say, aircraft design, we'd all need kevlar umbrellas to fend off the 737 shrapnel.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 18, 2013 12:16 PM (7ItWM)

58 and the dinosaurs will have been shown to have 1998 Grand Cherokees. Never buy a used car from a T. Rex. They always have been in accidents. Their arms are too short to reach the wheel.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (j3uk1)

59 I want to know why a merciful universe would give a 3 billion year old planet teh warmening Dammit, I was trying to work up some mocking variant of that. Well played.

Posted by: some diety that prefers you not mention his name aloud at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (QupBk)

60 7 As a recovering synthetic organometallic chemist, I should note that scientific advances are accepted after the previous generation of eminent and wrong scientists die. Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 18, 2013 04:05 PM (u82oZ) So, we do this all over again in 20 years? Hey, great....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (9o4n/)

61 All of the warmie SOBs should be in jail for fraud.

Posted by: Vic at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (53z96)

62 You laymen simply wouldn't understand REAL science even if it slapped you in the face.. buncha morons!

How can you understand our data when we haven't revealed our fudge factor? Huh? Huh? Ha.. you can't!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (f9c2L)

Germany is realizing their AGW driven energy policies are not sustainable and are cancelling the expansion of many of them. This is after these policies doubled their electricity prices.

But Obama will still follow these ridiculous Carbon neutral policies. After all, he promised that electricity prices will skyrocket.

Posted by: rd at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (zLp5I)

64 Remember, we're living in Planet of the Apes world, where the Minister of Science is also the Chief Defender of the Faith.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (XkWWK)

65 I came back for you, temperature data.

I love you, temperature data. I always have.

Posted by: Kyle "Ocean Core" Reese at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (GQ8sn)

66 God will punish you: Krugman/NY Times: 'You can deny global warming (and may you be punished in the afterlife for doing so Â— this kind of denial for petty personal or political reasons is an almost inconceivable sin).' "White" Americans are to blame: Bill McKibben/LA Times: "And that's precisely where white America has fallen short. Election after election, native-born and long-standing citizens pull the lever for climate deniers,..."

Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (XYSwB)

Posted by: Sports Illustrated, circling the bowl at March 18, 2013 12:17 PM (WCe8r)

68 Global Climate Change III: The Musical

Posted by: some diety that prefers you not mention his name aloud at March 18, 2013 12:18 PM (QupBk)

69 Never buy a used car from a T. Rex. They always have been in accidents. Their arms are too short to reach the wheel. Why am I reminded of the movie "Meet the Robinsons?" T Rex: "I have this great big head and these little stubby arms. I think someone didn't think this plan out very well."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 12:18 PM (4OvDk)

70 Don't blink.

Posted by: Weeping Angel at March 18, 2013 12:18 PM (GQ8sn)

71 Composite characters. More precisely, composite ASCII characters. To tell the larger truth. Duh wingers.

Posted by: minxxy at March 18, 2013 12:18 PM (qxcKC)

72 If it rains all the time, where does the water go?!!?!? Can't answer, can ya!??

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at March 18, 2013 12:19 PM (FsUAO)

73 >>>NaCly Dog<<<

That there is some funny shit. Well played.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 18, 2013 12:19 PM (KjlbF)

74 T. Rex. "Bang a Gong (Get It On)" and "Jeepster." That is all...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 12:19 PM (XkWWK)

75 Every time there is a new warming report, a warming rally, or a warming meeting on Capitol Hill the weather turns to shit.

This warming has me going from a speedo to a turn of last century style bathing suit for spring break this year.

Fucking global warmists fucking up my vacation...

Posted by: H Badger at March 18, 2013 12:20 PM (n/0Nw)

76 Man, I saw hockey in the heading and got excited. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJkHm2WtSsk

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Wood at March 18, 2013 12:20 PM (oScEo)

77 There's a consensus so we can do anything you want, you denier.

Posted by: Warmistas at March 18, 2013 12:20 PM (RD7QR)

78 Gorebol worming is another one of those basic moral principles needing ridicule.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at March 18, 2013 12:20 PM (epxV4)

79 There is no better example of Psuedo-Science. It purports to be Science. It appears to be Science on its face. But anything more than a cursory glance shows it to be anything but Science. Which is why there's screaming and outrage and "the Science is settled." Because those things discourage in depth looks. "Climate Change" is The Great and Powerful Oz.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 18, 2013 12:20 PM (rbzfz)

This kind of fraud will continue and expand until there are real, painful, and expensive penalties for doing it. Period.

Posted by: Jaws at March 18, 2013 12:20 PM (4I3Uo)

81 I was reading McIntyre's blog over the weekend.. but that shit is waay above my head.

If correct, though, here we go with "ClimateGate - Revisited!!!"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 18, 2013 12:21 PM (f9c2L)

82 If the core researchers haven't admitted their dating was originally flawed (with plausible explanations for the original mistake), this is straight up fraud.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 18, 2013 12:21 PM (MIhYM)

Serious question (really): The Powerline post asserts that the temps from the 30s, etc., have been changed, lowered in order to indicate a drastic change with current temps.

How is that assertion supported? Where can I find this?

I rely on WattsUpwithThat dot com

Posted by: rd at March 18, 2013 12:21 PM (zLp5I)

84
The offspring of the union of "bad science" and "corrupt politics" is always more "corrupt politics".

Posted by: fixerupper at March 18, 2013 12:22 PM (nELVU)

85 How is that assertion supported? Where can I find this?

Posted by: Pious Agnostic

McIntyre link in nic:

"However, the re-dating described above is SUBSEQUENT to the Marcott thesis. (IÂ’ve confirmed this by examining plots of individual proxies on pages 200-201 of the thesis. End dates illustrated in the thesis correspond more or less to published end dates and do not reflect the wholesale redating of the Science article.

I was unable to locate any reference to the wholesale re-dating in the text of Marcott et al 2013. The closest thing to a mention is the following statement in the SI:

Quote: Core tops are assumed to be 1950 AD unless otherwise indicated in original publication. EndQuote

However, something more than this is going on. In some cases, Marcott et al have re-dated core tops indicated as 0 BP in the original publication. ... In other cases, core tops have been assigned to 0 BP even though different dates have been reported in the original publication. In another important case ..., Marcott et al ignored a major dating caveat of the original publication."

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 18, 2013 12:22 PM (UCv7P)

86 here's an inneresting fack: one of the two "97% of climate scientists agree that climate change is real and man contributes most of it" or whatever the phrase of the day is... one version I came across in The Register (the British IT paper online) was that it meant "97% of those most published in the climate science journals..."

except that the climategate emails reveals that those journals were pretty much taken over by the global warming crowd. So is it any wonder that the most published people in the climate science journals are the same people who push the anthropogenic climate change nonsense? It's kind of like saying that 97% of the most published authors in Jesuit Monthly News agree that the RC Church is the true church.

Posted by: mallfly at March 18, 2013 12:22 PM (bJm7W)

87 And hey.. this global warming shit really pisses me off.. It's my fucking birthday.. and it's fucking SNOWING here! WTF???

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 18, 2013 12:22 PM (f9c2L)

88 I once had a professor who said "ANOVA is what you do when your numbers don't work out."
This is similar.
Sadly statistical games are all the norm in even legitimate science. Grants depend on showing something (even if you have to torture the data to do it.)

Although this is beyond the pale.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 18, 2013 12:23 PM (i177X)

89 This kind of fraud will continue and expand until there are real, painful, and expensive penalties for doing it. Period.

The penalties for scientific fraud these days are nice cars, big houses, living large, and phat honorariums for speaking engagements.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 18, 2013 12:23 PM (MIhYM)

But... why would you change the f***ing dates? This is supposed to be science, not screenwriting.

You don't understand TRUTH, ace. The larger truth -- the true Truth -- is that the world is warming (or cooling, depending on the flavor of the moment -- changing). That is the Truth. If the data does not support that truth, it is because the data is part of the small truth; the measurable facts in evidence that are cast in the path of the faithful to try and dissuade them from following the path of the larger Truth. If the facts do not fit the Truth, then it is the facts that are untrue.

Reshuffling lies isn't a sin, since there was no truth there to begin with.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 18, 2013 12:23 PM (4df7R)

@60 - So, we do this all over again in 20 years?

Hey, great....

---------------------------------

The cycle is slightly longer than that, but more or less. When I was a kid, the climate scare headlines were all focused on the upcoming ice age that was going to wipe us all out. Give it another ten years or so and I suspect that we'll see them back again.

Posted by: junior at March 18, 2013 12:23 PM (UWFpX)

92 87 And hey.. this global warming shit really pisses me off.. It's my fucking birthday.. and it's fucking SNOWING here! WTF??? Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 18, 2013 04:22 PM (f9c2L) Flurries in NYC right now. Please advise...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 12:23 PM (XkWWK)

93 Let's all remember that the original hockey stick was supported via cherrypicked tree rings.

The entire damn thing is a fraud.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 18, 2013 12:23 PM (ltdV/)

In a hockey game, if you are caught holding a broken stick it is a 2-minute penalty. You are supposed to drop it immediately. These guys are continuing to play with their broken hockey stick graph.

Tweet. We're going on the power play.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 18, 2013 12:24 PM (pLvWv)

95

99% of real scientists say we are going to burn up, you guys.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2013 12:24 PM (G6qpY)

96 AGW is truthiness. Fake but accurate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 12:24 PM (XkWWK)

97 Joe Bastardi's forecasting snow in the Midwest as late as mid-April. Damn that global warming!

Posted by: Ian S. at March 18, 2013 12:24 PM (B/VB5)

98 You don't understand TRUTH, ace. The larger truth -- the true Truth -- is that the world is warming (or cooling, depending on the flavor of the moment -- changing). That is the Truth. If the data does not support that truth, it is because the data is part of the small truth; the measurable facts in evidence that are cast in the path of the faithful to try and dissuade them from following the path of the larger Truth. If the facts do not fit the Truth, then it is the facts that are untrue. Do you read Terry Pratchet? That almost sounds like a paraphrase of Deacon Vorbis from "Small Gods."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 12:24 PM (4OvDk)

99 Thanks weft cut-loop!

Posted by: Pious Agnostic at March 18, 2013 12:24 PM (PpLfy)

100 Give it another ten years or so and I suspect that we'll see them back again.

My money is firmly in the "yeah, we should be cooling off any time now" camp.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 18, 2013 12:24 PM (ltdV/)

101 97% of climate scientists are serious you guys, they just won't admit they're full of crap.

Posted by: mallfly at March 18, 2013 12:25 PM (bJm7W)

102 Rule 10.3 states A player without a stick may participate in the game. A player whose stick is broken may participate in the game provided he drops the broken stick. A minor penalty shall be imposed for an infraction of this rule. A player who has lost or broken his stick may only receive a stick at his own playersÂ’ bench or be handed one from a teammate on the ice. A player will be penalized if he throws, tosses, slides or shoots a stick to teammate on the ice. A player may not participate in the play using a goalkeeperÂ’s stick. A minor penalty shall be imposed for an infraction of this rule. Source: http://bit.ly/cwwBmy What? wrong sport???

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at March 18, 2013 12:25 PM (1hM1d)

103 Let's all remember that the original hockey stick was supported via cherrypicked tree rings. And computer code that added a constantly-increasing "fudge factor" to the temps for years after 1980, in order to show that AGW started the date of Man's Original Sin Against Gaia: the election of Reagan.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 18, 2013 12:26 PM (B/VB5)

104 Completely OT but just realized I screwed up my own nic and have been using an accidental sock for over an hour.

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at March 18, 2013 12:26 PM (oScEo)

105 Changing dates is nothing, when the actual data is skewed to begin with (e.g. temp reading sensors located next to high radiating heat -- aka heat sinks).

Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 12:26 PM (XYSwB)

106 Do you read Terry Pratchet? That almost sounds like a paraphrase of Deacon Vorbis from "Small Gods."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 04:24 PM (4OvDk)

You betcha! One of my favorites of the Discworld novels.

And as I like to say, there is very little in life that can't be perfectly summed up by a Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, or William Shakespeare quote.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at March 18, 2013 12:26 PM (4df7R)

107 "Global Warming Now, an Allegory." Starring Al Gore as the earth, Michael Mann as a hockey stick, and Al Gore as a crazed sex poodle. Plot: Michael Mann skates about the earth (Al Gore), hockey stick in hand, "fracking" Gore like a crazed sex poodle. Al Gore emits a huge methane cloud of gas which blocks out the sun, nuclear winter sets in, and all the sex poodles across the land die like preying mantises, "fracking" as they go. Comedy.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 18, 2013 12:26 PM (deaac)

108

Its been a while since college biology.... but I dont recall "seeking to gain consensus" part of the Scientific Method.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 18, 2013 12:26 PM (nELVU)

109 I've said it before and I'll say it again. Predicting future temperatures by looking at historical data is equivalent to driving on a curvy mountains road by looking in the rear view mirror.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 18, 2013 12:26 PM (pLvWv)

110 It's never been this bad. Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 04:10 PM (XYSwB) I'm wondering if it's not a kinda "bulb burns brightest before it blows" type of thing. Then I look at the sane people who actually fall for this stuff because some TV told them so and I shudder.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 18, 2013 12:27 PM (9o4n/)

111 99% of real scientists say we are going to burn up, you guys.

Don't believe that shit.

Posted by: The Dinosaurs at March 18, 2013 12:27 PM (MIhYM)

112 Jerry Sandusky raped the climate data. But it wasn't JoePa's fault.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 18, 2013 12:27 PM (sQYuD)

113 How is that assertion supported? Where can I find this?

Posted by: Pious Agnostic at March 18, 2013 04:12 PM (PpLfy)

Check out climateaudit.org. McIntyre has been all over this.

Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2013 12:27 PM (RD7QR)

114 94 In a hockey game, if you are caught holding a broken stick it is a 2-minute penalty. You are supposed to drop it immediately. These guys are continuing to play with their broken hockey stick graph. Tweet. We're going on the power play. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 18, 2013 04:24 PM (pLvWv) Are we going to use the Umbrella or the Overload?

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at March 18, 2013 12:27 PM (oScEo)

115 And as I like to say, there is very little in life that can't be perfectly summed up by a Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, or William Shakespeare quote. You forgot Ghost Busters and The Princess Bride. But I was wondering if that similarity were on purpose.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 12:27 PM (4OvDk)

116 >>>"Bang a Gong (Get It On)" and "Jeepster." why did you post this? Just curious. I'd add Cosmic Dancer and Mambo Sun.

Posted by: ace at March 18, 2013 12:27 PM (LCRYB)

117 OT DOOM

Either way this could have gone leads to disaster, which is the problem with putting of resolutions of problems and piling up instability (*cough* TARP *cough*)

http://tinyurl.com/c4comaj

Watch for the kaboom...... there are now reports that a solid majority of Cypriot Parlimentarians are refusing to go along with the confiscation demand for depositor funds.

Posted by: Methos at March 18, 2013 12:28 PM (hO9ad)

118 Don't they know they don't have to prove anything anymore? Owebama has already vowed to bankrupt the country in the name of their fucking religion, so they don't HAVE to do their falsification of data any more.

Dumbshits.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 18, 2013 12:28 PM (xmcEQ)

119 So why are the Antarctic ice sheets calving off. And why are polar bears dying? The polar bears, man! Where is you humanity?

Posted by: Richard Byrd at March 18, 2013 12:29 PM (CyTqr)

120 >>>As a recovering synthetic organometallic chemist, I should note that scientific advances are accepted after the previous generation of eminent and wrong scientists die. if anyone hasn't yet, read the "structure of Scientific Revolutions," I believe it's called, by Thomas Kuhn (?). I'm not sure if it's completely right but it's at least half-right.* * Totalizing theories are never right but they often get at something important.

Posted by: ace at March 18, 2013 12:29 PM (LCRYB)

121 The early acoustic T-Rex albums are way different and kinda cool.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 18, 2013 12:30 PM (MIhYM)

122 @74 T. Rex. "Bang a Gong (Get It On)" and "Jeepster." That is all... Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 04:19 PM (XkWWK) Excellent cover of- "Life's a Gas" by Southern Culture on the Skids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmvDs4VASE That is all.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 18, 2013 12:30 PM (j2lYi)

123 re 103: don't forget "Mike's Hide the Decline Trick": Mann's data from the early 1960s on didn't fit the theory, so they substituted other date that did. Kind of like claiming the crime rate in Indiana went up by replacing Indianapolis numbers with Chicago numbers.

Posted by: mallfly at March 18, 2013 12:30 PM (bJm7W)

124 Dropping a broken stick is one of the most counter-intuitive requirements. It's like you break it, oh yeah, now I have a perfect spear. A spear to stab those mother fucking sandbagging ex-minor leaguers in Tier 4. Tier 4 adult hockey is developmental hockey for us old fat fucks whose parents were too poor to sign us up for youth hockey.

Posted by: minxxy at March 18, 2013 12:31 PM (qxcKC)

125 Um Yeah, and those Obammy Transcripts been edited for content by now? That has to be one heavily edited, redacted and embellished set of papers by now.

Posted by: clemenza at March 18, 2013 12:31 PM (HMQ8k)

126 Not science. Scienc-ey. Sciencish, maybe.
Shut up.

Posted by: real joe at March 18, 2013 12:31 PM (Sl8iv)

127 34 Day by day, every day, I feel like I'm in the penultimate scene from "Pork Chop Hill," where a squad of GI's is trapped inside a bunker, trying to hold off 2 divisions of PLA infantry coming at them from all sides. At the end, they are relieved but I am not feeling that help is on the way any time soon... if at all. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 04:12 PM (XkWWK) If some shit doesn't change soon, we'll end up like Love Co.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 18, 2013 12:31 PM (9o4n/)

128 The same Penn State president who exonerated Michael Mann on Climategate exonerated Joe Partno. Coincidence? You decide.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 18, 2013 12:31 PM (deaac)

129

Will the rising ocean drown the Cypriots?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2013 12:31 PM (G6qpY)

130 Why can't we just cut off 9.9% of all ice cores over 100,000 years old?

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 18, 2013 12:32 PM (j3uk1)

131 Take the core conservatives associated with the AOS and place them on a polar cap after having their eyes tapped open and forced to watch a film about Obammy lies and voila..Everybody has an Ocean view.

Posted by: clemenza at March 18, 2013 12:33 PM (HMQ8k)

132 Will the rising ocean drown the Cypriots?

Only 10%.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 18, 2013 12:33 PM (3zG7W)

133 The fraud will continue until they stop getting grant money.

Posted by: steevy at March 18, 2013 12:33 PM (9XBK2)

134 if anyone hasn't yet, read the "structure of Scientific Revolutions," I believe it's called, by Thomas Kuhn (?).

I'm not sure if it's completely right but it's at least half-right.*

* Totalizing theories are never right but they often get at something important.

Posted by: ace at March 18, 2013 04:29 PM (LCRYB)

I'm in the process of reading it now actually.

I'd say it's right. I guess you could call it a totalizing theory, but to a certain effect I'd say it's a description of human nature (and the bandwagon effect) as it applies to science.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 18, 2013 12:33 PM (i177X)

135

The author of the paper in question is Shaun Marcott, a post-doc.

And a post-doc will do just about anything, including shuffling data points, to get the attention that gets him offered a teaching slot.

Heck, probably willing to strangle a puppy if the job is tenure track.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2013 12:34 PM (kdS6q)

136 "126 Not science. Scienc-ey. Sciencish, maybe. Shut up." Scienticians?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 18, 2013 12:34 PM (deaac)

137

For you atheists. You can't even trust science anymore, can you?

Hmmmm. What to believe. What to believe.

Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2013 12:34 PM (1VSAm)

138 If the facts do not fit the Truth, then it is the facts that are untrue. Spot on MWR. The Revolutionary Truth. Pure Marxism.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 18, 2013 12:34 PM (dLnJH)

139 "Bang a Gong (Get It On)" and "Jeepster."

why did you post this? Just curious.

I'd add Cosmic Dancer and Mambo Sun.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2013 04:27 PM (LCRYB)

Someone said T-Rex.

The listed songs are by a band of the same name.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 18, 2013 12:35 PM (xmcEQ)

140 We need suicide booths and we need to glorify the liberals that sacrifice themselves for Gaia.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 18, 2013 12:35 PM (AC0lD)

141

Eppur si muove!

Posted by: Zombie Galileo Galilei at March 18, 2013 12:36 PM (TIIx5)

142 >>>I guess you could call it a totalizing theory, but to a certain effect I'd say it's a description of human nature (and the bandwagon effect) as it applies to science. sure but any theory tends to be overstated. Like, this is not THE structure of scientific revolutions. This is one pattern. An important one, and one to keep in mind, but it's just not the case that it's all about the bandwagon effect per se.* * Though the truth has a natural bandwagon effect we couldn't, or shouldn't, call a bandwagon effect.

Posted by: ace at March 18, 2013 12:36 PM (LCRYB)

143 I don;t know why anyone is surprised by this.

It's a stone cold fact that 68.7% of all statistics are made up out of whole cloth.

Posted by: wiserbud at March 18, 2013 12:36 PM (WCe8r)

144 And, even Outdoor magazine, which covered all the latest and greatest in outdoor adventurers. Lib after lib was being thrown in your face. It was unprecedented. Even Bawney Frank showed up in an issue.

I don't think Bawney was doing the kind of "outdoor adventuring" they normally would cover.

Related: TFG told Israeli TV he wanted to put on a fake mustache and wander alone through Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 18, 2013 04:13 PM (B/VB5)

Strangers in the night, exchanging rubbers, this one is too tight let's try another

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 18, 2013 12:36 PM (nTgAI)

145 The same Penn State president who exonerated Michael Mann on Climategate exonerated Joe Partno. Coincidence? You decide.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 18, 2013 04:31 PM (deaac)

In neither case was it RAPE rape....you guys.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 18, 2013 12:37 PM (xmcEQ)

146 >>>But... why would you change the f***ing dates?

It's like creative accounting, which works wonders when budgeting.

Posted by: Fritz at March 18, 2013 12:37 PM (WM+rJ)

147 But ... but ... but ... CONSENSUS! Good on Steve McIntyre for adding this to his pile of broken hockey sticks.

Posted by: Andy at March 18, 2013 12:37 PM (C/NnJ)

148 TFG told Israeli TV he wanted to put on a fake mustache and wander alone through Tel Aviv. Posted by: Ian S. at March 18, 2013 04:13 PM (B/VB5) Ramallah or Jericho would be more up his alley

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2013 12:38 PM (9Bj8R)

149 119 So why are the Antarctic ice sheets calving off? Posted by: Richard Byrd at March 18, 2013 04:29 PM (CyTqr) ******* Wouldn't have anything to do with all the freaking scientific expeditions and polar bear huggers with their freaking campfires, would it?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 18, 2013 12:38 PM (pLvWv)

150 109 I've said it before and I'll say it again. Predicting future temperatures by looking at historical data is equivalent to driving on a curvy mountains road by looking in the rear view mirror. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 18, 2013 04:26 PM (pLvWv) Not quite. But it's like using these predictions, even though the last 1000 times they were wrong. They just adjust some parameters, and retry! Someday they'll be right!

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at March 18, 2013 12:38 PM (FsUAO)

151 So why are the Antarctic ice sheets calving off. And why are polar bears dying? I remember reading that scientists, quietly realized, after actually looking, that one of the most referenced chunks of ice that was supposedly melting at a rapid rate, was because tectonic plates shifted, it was released from its footing, and it went adrift -- i.e. which helped it to melt. Not "global warming." I laughed.

Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 12:38 PM (XYSwB)

152 off sock!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 12:38 PM (FsUAO)

153 by the way, now that I thunk of it, there is something apocalyptic about the global warming crowd... floods, droughts, unimaginably terrible hurricanes and tornadoes, malaria mosquitoes in the far north, drowning coastlines... I wonder when they'll tell us that we're going to be overrun with frogs (the kind that eat flies, not the kind that eat cheese)?

Posted by: mallfly at March 18, 2013 12:39 PM (bJm7W)

154 The "97%" bullshit: 10,257 responses came in to a survey of climate scientists. All but 77 were weeded out during the course of the study, 75 of whom supported a bland statement that mankind's activities had an effect on the environment. So, 75/10257 = 97% in ClimateGateLand. They fucking lie about *EVERYTHING*. They have to, because their ideas are impossible or horrifying.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:39 PM (bxiXv)

155 146 Fritz,

Da comrade...worked wonders for us....

//Dr. Friedman at Enron memorial

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 12:39 PM (LRFds)

156

Cyprus already backed down on those with deposits under 100k euros.

But the die is cast.

Those fucking idiots. rabble rousing and blaming those evil evil richie people works so well.

But. They. Had. To. Overstep.

Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:39 PM (tVTLU)

157 IIRC, Kuhn writes of scientific revolutions as if they're all rooted in the dynamics of human behavior.... which they're not. Science itself has something to do with it. Watson and Crick's double-helix model of DNA caught on not because it was popular, but because it had the virtue of being obviously true, and truth is a powerful convincer. But it is definitely a factor lurking out there, especially in the less-understood, more vague, more based-in-modeling "sciences." Which are really just speculations.

Posted by: ace at March 18, 2013 12:39 PM (LCRYB)

158 I blame Top Gear.

They're constantly blowing shit up on that show.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 18, 2013 12:39 PM (xmcEQ)

159 Always hot and steamy at Man's Country! Where Presidents and Mayors are known to hang out. Get in on it! Get down with it!

Posted by: Man's Country Chicago at March 18, 2013 12:40 PM (wIgpo)

160 Antarctic icecap thickness is at an all-time high. Arctic thickness has been historically low but is going back to the mean now.

Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2013 12:40 PM (RD7QR)

161 I like that description Seamus Muldoon, and will add it to my green-mockery repertoire.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 18, 2013 12:41 PM (ZshNr)

162 If your science-fu is strong, check out Climate Audit. If not quite that strong, WattsUpWithThat. Follow links from there, there are others - just because the MFM ignores them doesn't mean they aren't out there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:41 PM (bxiXv)

163 Its been a while since college biology.... but I dont recall "seeking to gain consensus" part of the Scientific Method.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 18, 2013 04:26 PM (nELVU)

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We don't need no steenking scientific methods, cabrone. We're in charge of thee science now.

Posted by: NEA at March 18, 2013 12:42 PM (1VSAm)

164 Piltdown man would be proud.

Posted by: maddogg at March 18, 2013 12:42 PM (OlN4e)

165 It's a stone cold fact that 68.7% of all statistics are made up out of whole cloth. On. The. Spot.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 18, 2013 12:42 PM (/i5F8)

166 this jibes in my mind with what the instapundit wrote that GOP ideas are popular until people find out they're gop ideas (sort of like Howard Stern asking Harlemites about GOP ideas pretending they're ideas from the glorious leader, but that's a hate fact), normal people think we are opposed to MMGW because we are inbred hillbilly bible thumpers (IHBT) or something, not that there's anything wrong with the science. We need to attack the science. Any GOP debate that doesn't get up in their stupid faces about the lack of science in these debates will make us look like IHBT. There are smart, atheist, and/or non-white people *I've met (as well as actual weathermen) who think global warming is BS or are open to a discussion on it. If we could talk about it effectively, it'd be a good thing. *these being people we're trying to get to vote GOP.

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 12:42 PM (QxSug)

167 by the way, now that I thunk of it, there is something apocalyptic about the global warming crowd.

Michael Crichton pegged it as a religion, complete with pre-human Eden, sin, prophets, apocalypse, rituals, etc.

http://www.cougarinfo.org/lionsupl/crichton.html

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 18, 2013 12:42 PM (/kI1Q)

168 It's a stone cold fact that 68.7% of all statistics are made up out of whole cloth.

40% of people know that, Kent.

Posted by: Homer Simpson at March 18, 2013 12:43 PM (/kI1Q)

169 Antarctic icecap thickness is at an all-time high. Arctic thickness has been historically low but is going back to the mean now.

Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2013 04:40 PM (RD7QR)

Does that mean all of the penquins will be able to survive at the north pole now and we will no longer have to worry about the poor polar bears in the south pole?

Posted by: polynikes at March 18, 2013 12:43 PM (m2CN7)

170 Thank God for global warming. Otherwise, Manhattan would be under a mile of ice as it was 25,000 years ago. Upon second thought...

Posted by: Golfman at March 18, 2013 12:43 PM (/djtm)

171 BTW, goalies are allowed to play with broken sticks. However these, scientists are guilty of, Deliberate Attempt to Injure. Game Misconduct.

Posted by: VN Redleg at March 18, 2013 12:43 PM (Hxzyo)

172 The cycle is slightly longer than that, but more or less. When I was a kid, the climate scare headlines were all focused on the upcoming ice age that was going to wipe us all out. Give it another ten years or so and I suspect that we'll see them back again. Posted by: junior at March 18, 2013 04:23 PM (UWFpX) I remember. I think they're already bringing the ice age thing back out. Just to be sure since, it could go either way.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 18, 2013 12:44 PM (9o4n/)

173 I'm much more scared of a global cooling.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 12:44 PM (FsUAO)

174

Ace,

If you're going to bust out Kuhn you had better gone back and read Huxley!!

It's all a shifting paradigm. It's because we are trying to use human understanding to comprehend God's laws found in nature. I doubt we will ever get to a perfect understanding. that's why we go from Newton to Einstein to wherever the hell we are now.

Mathematics, however, being a human construct, is infallible in our own understanding. Thus, in a millions years, 2+2=4. Physics, who the fuck knows.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:44 PM (tVTLU)

175 37 Mr Moo Moo,

don't be butthurt...

the left wants to undo the industrial age and rob you of your money as a "tax"....

care to explain when "Mighty Righty" forced you to tithe?

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)

176 The thing about ice ages is that we actually have a track record. Global warming does not.

Posted by: maddogg at March 18, 2013 12:45 PM (OlN4e)

177 Follow links from there, there are others - just because the MFM ignores them doesn't mean they aren't out there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 18, 2013 04:41 PM (bxiXv)

Bishop Hill is good, I think he's been in contact with the Climategate hacker.

Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2013 12:45 PM (RD7QR)

178 <<But... why would you change the f***ing dates? This is supposed to be science, not screenwriting. You are not allowed to compress events and change dates in a science, even if it leads to the more dramatic narrative arc you were hoping for.>>

SCIENCE!

...or something

Posted by: SGT. York at March 18, 2013 12:46 PM (H1IKD)

179

We need to harness the million degree heat at the core of earth in order to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels. Scientific knowledge people. Its our lifeline.

Posted by: Scientist Al Chakra Gore at March 18, 2013 12:46 PM (m2CN7)

180 I remember. I think they're already bringing the ice age thing back out. Just to be sure since, it could go either way. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 18, 2013 04:44 PM (9o4n/) Trying to capture both ends of the play field. The left always wants to control both teams in any game, they figure it's the best way to "win." There have been a few "OMG AGC" articles lately, I think mostly as either trial balloons or trying to take the wind out of the sail of "denial."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:46 PM (bxiXv)

181 ot: if you click on the right sidebar link to Heart / led zep tour - Ann wilson looks like a KISS try-out.

Posted by: F&U at March 18, 2013 12:47 PM (O7ksG)

182 CLIMATE SCIENCE -an Al Gore production-

Posted by: zsasz at March 18, 2013 12:47 PM (MMC8r)

183

Btw, never give in to the terminology. It's MESSAGING and it mocks the "debate" in the first instance.

Someone says, how do you feel about climate change? The immediate retort should be, wait a second, I thought it was global warming?? Are we calling it climate change now??

Without even taking a position, you have destroyed the left's.

WINNING.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:47 PM (tVTLU)

184

"If this is not flat-out fraudÂ–which, sadly, has come to typify the climate alarmism movementÂ–then what is the justification for MarcottÂ’s wholesale re-dating of samples?"

If this award-winning blog allowed the use of ampersands, i could post a line of dollar signs HERE in order to answer that question.

Posted by: Cicero Kid don't need no stinkin' ampersands at March 18, 2013 12:47 PM (UrENZ)

185 Michael Crichton pegged it as a religion, complete with pre-human Eden, sin, prophets, apocalypse, rituals, etc.

http://www.cougarinfo.org/lionsupl/crichton.html

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at March 18, 2013 04:42 PM (/kI1Q)

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He also wrote an excellent novel about it too, using the warmists data against them.

Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2013 12:48 PM (1VSAm)

186 Climate Hope & Change will still be on media's litmus test for Republicans in 2016. And nobody likes to be labeled an un-believer.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 18, 2013 12:48 PM (gtTDa)

187 They did it all for the &&&

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 12:48 PM (FsUAO)

188 Bishop Hill is good, I think he's been in contact with the Climategate hacker. Posted by: joncelli at March 18, 2013 04:45 PM (RD7QR) Somewhere around 15-20 of the "big names" in Climate Skepticism have been, including Anthony at WUWT and Steve at Climate Audit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:48 PM (bxiXv)

189

Personally, I'm starting to think that this whole "man-made global warming we're all gonna DIE!!!11" thingy is just a joke to see just how big a lie the world could be made to believe.

This is the biggest one I've ever seen. Virtually everybody in every government believes it and it's cost us a fortune in regulations that weren't needed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 18, 2013 12:49 PM (+z4pE)

190

That Old Time Religion* is in the air again!

*Pagan worship of the earth. Because we'll throw you in the volcano to appease Gaia, that's why, now shut up.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at March 18, 2013 12:49 PM (hLRSq)

191 Mathematics, however, being a human construct, is infallible in our own understanding. Thus, in a millions years, 2+2=4. Problem: mathematics is not "a human construct." If it were a human construct we could have no faith in it, in fact, because who can say but the human(s) who constructed it were wrong? It is an empirically provable fact that 2 + 2 = 4. First off, you can actually Prove It (as in: mathematical proofs, though I've heard it's a really long one and it sucks). Secondly, if it were not true, most "Science" would make no sense.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 12:50 PM (4OvDk)

192 Ace hates polar bears

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at March 18, 2013 12:50 PM (XvrTA)

193 Remember: The White House has issued a directive that the name Global Warming is out and now wants a new name for Global Warming to be Global Climate Disruption.

Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 12:51 PM (XYSwB)

194 Ace hates polar bears In fairness, they're evil, even homicidal, MFers, and they don't even taste that good when killed and eaten.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 12:51 PM (4OvDk)

195 Antarctic icecap thickness is at an all-time high.

More weight, more pressure, more glacial movement. Doh.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 18, 2013 12:51 PM (MIhYM)

196 Virtually everybody in every government believes it They believe it because it's designed to benefit them.

Posted by: zsasz at March 18, 2013 12:52 PM (MMC8r)

197 Around the world, the "climate fraud" has appropriated tens or hundreds of billions directly and cost trillions indirectly. It is possibly the largest political fraud in history, if you don't count electoral or revolutionary promises of plenty. I suspect large numbers of college students have literally no idea that what they're doing isn't "science" in any meaningful way. Again, the Long March - capture the schools and the journals and the press, and you can tell whatever lie you want.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:52 PM (bxiXv)

198 <<But it is definitely a factor lurking out there, especially in the less-understood, more vague, more based-in-modeling "sciences." Which are really just speculations.>>

And in this case, it's Meterology (generally speaking). I'm not really sure why we trust 100% conclusions from people who predict the weather.

These are the same guys who can't be sure which way a hurricane is going to track once it's formed, or even if it will stay formed.

Posted by: SGT. York at March 18, 2013 12:52 PM (H1IKD)

199 Ice Age Global Cooling Man-made Global Warming Climate Change Global Climate Disruption aka Climate

Posted by: renaissance woman at March 18, 2013 12:52 PM (XYSwB)

200 155 Merovign, that was the other 97% scam: 10,000 email surveys, anonymity, 79 of the respondents identified themselves as "climate scientists" and 76 of 79 said "yes" to some form of "man is responsible"

Both versions are worthless. Paul Ehrlich has been wrong about everything since the late 1960s and he still gets infinitely more respect than Bob Woodward has gotten in the past month.

Posted by: mallfly at March 18, 2013 12:52 PM (bJm7W)

201 Will the rising ocean drown the Cypriots? We can only hope.

Posted by: The German Taxpayer at March 18, 2013 12:52 PM (QupBk)

202 OT: How come Andrea doesn't or didn't tell the people of Woodbury that the Prison group only attacked because he Gov was holding their members prisoners, torturing them, and diddling Maggie? Also, they tried to kill Glen by tying him up and putting a zombie in the room with him. If she told some of them, they might be reluctant to go to war.

Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 18, 2013 12:53 PM (PP8La)

203 In fairness, they're evil, even homicidal, MFers, and they don't even taste that good when killed and eaten. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 04:51 PM (4OvDk) Wait... are we talking about polar bears or ewoks?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (bxiXv)

204 186 Soona,

a classic if Ace were to host something I'd buy 25 copies for him to give out.

I miss Dr. Crichton.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (LRFds)

205 This is the biggest one I've ever seen. Virtually everybody in every government believes it and it's cost us a fortune in regulations that weren't needed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy

When a joke's punchline includes billions of dollars for activists, companies of activists, and friends of activists, the jokes on you.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (UCv7P)

206 <<Mathematics, however, being a human construct, is infallible in our own understanding. Thus, in a millions years, 2+2=4. Physics, who the fuck knows.>>

Fuckin' magnets...

Posted by: SGT. York at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (H1IKD)

207 In the past the Germans invaded you with armies, now they invade you with a keyboard.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (MIhYM)

208

AllenG:

Mathematics, like time, is exactly a human construct. For example it is HUMAN empiricism that sets the rules.

Consider this old and unknowable philosophical fact. If you take a flashlight, cut a slit in a piece of paper, and shine it against the wall, what will exhibit on the wall is a wave-like pattern. However, if you take a photon detector right before the light passes through the slit, and thus are counting photons, what ends up displaying on the wall is a particle pattern. NO ONE KNOWS WHY.

In other words, just the act of observation changes the very nature of what is output. Freaky stuff I know.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (tVTLU)

209 Btw, there are more polar bears today than ever recorded in history. Suck on that hippies.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (tVTLU)

210

And why are so many scientists and evironmentalists so hot for pagan worship of the earth - other than government grants?

Fertiltiy rites. Think about that Mr. Chritianist with that "peace that passes all understanding" stuff. Pwnd!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at March 18, 2013 12:54 PM (hLRSq)

211 Hah... this topic led to a mass exodus from the green booger ponytail blog. Me, heather, Kbdabear and several others.

Nucking Fitwits.

Like some part time hippie bicyclist is going to explain teh ebils ov glowbal warmink to us all.

My globes are warm. Wanna touch them?

Posted by: tangonine at March 18, 2013 12:55 PM (x3YFz)

212 194 Ren Woman,

yup...it is surreal and were we the canny people of judgement I once naively took us for we'd all be saying..."ah heads we win tails you lose act of 2013!"

instead it is "he CARES! BIG BROTHER LOVES ME!"

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 12:55 PM (LRFds)

213 Ace hates polar bears

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah

***

They taste like chicken.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 18, 2013 12:55 PM (uhftQ)

214 Is there any other element on the periodic table more evil than carbon? We need to get to the bottom of this, pronto.

Posted by: Fritz at March 18, 2013 12:56 PM (WM+rJ)

215

I don't know why or how, but I've got the feeling that that big, fat, nasty, greasy, fat, stank, bloated, cheesy-backed, 12-sandwich-eatin' bastard Rove has something to do with this.

Posted by: jwest at March 18, 2013 12:56 PM (u2a4R)

216 go ahead and laugh, the USN has stated that MMGW is the biggest threat to national security in the world. They start bombing the ice caps in retaliation at midnight.

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 12:57 PM (QxSug)

217 We're gonna need a montage (montage).

Posted by: Team America, Climate Police at March 18, 2013 12:57 PM (Hj9yW)

218 Well, a lot of people have made a lot of money off the AGW scam. They belong in prison. They have ruined our fucking economy and have caused great hardship. I fucking hate them.

Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 18, 2013 12:57 PM (PP8La)

219

Fritz:

I think carbon is a "white" element as well, the worst "kind". hahahahahaha.

"It's science."

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:57 PM (tVTLU)

220 just the act of observation changes the very nature of what is output.

Grand Unified Theory of Why The Brewers Always Lose on National Television.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 18, 2013 12:57 PM (/kI1Q)

221 Carbon was the choice for the scam not because CO2 affects the atmosphere so much (water vapor and methane much more so), but because you can control *people* with CO2 control. That was all it was ever about (well, that and Cushy Government Jobs and Grants).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:57 PM (bxiXv)

222 Btw, there are more polar bears today than ever recorded in history. Suck on that hippies.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 04:54 PM (tVTLU)

'em r good eatin'!

Posted by: tangonine at March 18, 2013 12:57 PM (x3YFz)

223 212 Tangonine,

it was nott he reason I drifted and to be fair and not to try to speak for Baldi and Jim T and others...Bikeboy went nuts on a few topics in 2004

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 12:58 PM (LRFds)

224 And I'm English, old chap, don't you know.

Posted by: piltdown man at March 18, 2013 12:58 PM (ORGYc)

225 go ahead and laugh, the USN has stated that MMGW is the biggest threat to national security in the world.

Mrs SCOAMF said it was fat people. Guess we know who's getting thrown into the volcano.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 18, 2013 12:58 PM (/kI1Q)

226

Is there any other element on the periodic table more evil than carbon? We need to get to the bottom of this, pronto.

The noble gasses are quite standoffish. Think'n they're better than the rest of us. Effin one percenters!

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 18, 2013 12:58 PM (BAS5M)

227 Btw Sven, have you added a shit ton of info to your name lately?

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:58 PM (tVTLU)

228 Seems someone has found some will to act. via zerohedge

While images of burning flags in the middle-east are not unusual and we have become numb to visions of angry mobs stomping over Western flags, the sight in the clip below of the typically calm and serene Mediterraneans turned Cypriot mob climbing atop the German Embassy in Cyprus and tearing down the German flag may well be a glimpse of what is to come in the next few days as the government nears their voting deadline and banks near their re-opening...

Posted by: Methos at March 18, 2013 12:58 PM (hO9ad)

229 Piltdown man would be proud.

Posted by: maddogg at March 18, 2013 04:42 PM (OlN4e)

Nicely done

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 18, 2013 12:59 PM (nTgAI)

230 219 Well, a lot of people have made a lot of money off the AGW scam. They belong in prison. They have ruined our fucking economy and have caused great hardship. I fucking hate them. Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 18, 2013 04:57 PM (PP8La) Delicately put, though I doubt they should be treated so leniently. We must set an example.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 18, 2013 12:59 PM (bxiXv)

231 In other words, just the act of observation changes the very nature of what is output.

We don't measure things with our instruments, we measure those representations and fleeting images of things that our instruments are capable of sensing.

We never touch the thing itself, and there's no guarantee our instruments even have the ability to capture ALL aspects of a thing.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 18, 2013 12:59 PM (MIhYM)

232 210 Btw, there are more polar bears today than ever recorded in history. Suck on that hippies. -------- Yeah, but most of them are Canadian, so they don't count.

Posted by: Award-Winning Assault Citizen Anachronda at March 18, 2013 12:59 PM (NmR1a)

233

Merovign:

It was the ultimate two-fer!!! They hate cars and trucks big time, so we'll go for it!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 18, 2013 12:59 PM (tVTLU)

234 it was nott he reason I drifted and to be fair and not to try to speak for Baldi and Jim T and others...Bikeboy went nuts on a few topics in 2004

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 04:58 PM (LRFds)

he lost his shit on many subjects.

Drank the bong water, I'm guessing.

Posted by: tangonine at March 18, 2013 01:00 PM (x3YFz)

235 Hah... this topic led to a mass exodus from the green booger ponytail blog. Me, heather, Kbdabear and several others.

Nucking Fitwits.

Like some part time hippie bicyclist is going to explain teh ebils ov glowbal warmink to us all.

My globes are warm. Wanna touch them?

Posted by: tangonine at March 18, 2013 04:55 PM (x3YFz)

---------------------------------------------

This and Chuckle's anti-God/anti-states' rights rants over TX textbooks.

Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2013 01:00 PM (1VSAm)

236 Whatever, fat people - global warming, as long as we don't use the military to fight Islamists, then it's all good.

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 01:00 PM (QxSug)

237 because science! All hail science and reason.

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 01:00 PM (QxSug)

238 228 prescient,

only on my "bedroom/den corner/entertainment" rig...

a few of us are very serious about trying to get a semi-organized thing going to encourage in migration to the ArkLaTex and OK....
sadly the real world is interfering with my ability to be a big mover on it but I fully support Allen G and Royal's efforts and will aid them as I am able.

My goal is to try to create a fund to help stranded morons of good character find where they can start anew in the Red corridor.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 01:01 PM (LRFds)

239 YAAAAARGH!

Posted by: Zombie Richard Feynman at March 18, 2013 01:02 PM (x3YFz)

240

In other words, just the act of observation changes the very nature of what is output

.Why that boy of mine keeps his cat in a box I'll never know.

Posted by: Schroedinger's Mom at March 18, 2013 01:02 PM (BAS5M)

241 How come Andrea doesn't or didn't tell the people of Woodbury that the Prison group only attacked because he Gov was holding their members prisoners, torturing them, and diddling Maggie? Also, they tried to kill Glen by tying him up and putting a zombie in the room with him. If she told some of them, they might be reluctant to go to war.

Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 18, 2013 04:53 PM (PP8La)

If you are trying to apply logic to any of the screenwriting for the Walking Dead you are on the wrong path. Your suspension of belief has to be as well constructed as the Golden Gate bridge to enjoy that series.

Posted by: Scientist Al Chakra Gore at March 18, 2013 01:02 PM (m2CN7)

242 Did bikeboy ever get married? I thought he was engaged to one of his cult members a few years back?

Posted by: Ghostly Aspiration at March 18, 2013 01:02 PM (PP8La)

243 243 Ghostly App,

ChenZhen has Chuckles updates over at Diary of Daedalus from time to time....

I look in every once in a bit.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 01:04 PM (LRFds)

244 Stupid me, I was taught that the scientific method does not allow us to determine the outcomes according to what WE want! No wonder I don't have a nobel prize yet. I blame the broken education system.

Our state climatologist is one of the few climate scientists who has not gone completely off the deep end. He did tree ring research using trees in our state, and found that droughts were MUCH more severe in the past, thousands of years ago, than they are now. The last 200 years has been a cakewalk in comparison. So his takeaway message is that while we cannot verify anthropomorphic climate change, we CAN verify that we have the potential for bad droughts, and should prepare accordingly. THIS is the tack that a rational climate scientist SHOULD takeÂ—respecting the results of their data and coming to a rational conclusionÂ—but the rabid scientists out to make money/influence, they cannot help themselves and go too far. And they wonder why the population as a whole is now tuning them out.

Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2013 01:05 PM (8wqqE)

245 He dropped my ass like a used, hot potato. The focker!

Posted by: wild irish hose at March 18, 2013 01:05 PM (ORGYc)

246 172 BTW, goalies are allowed to play with broken sticks. However these, scientists are guilty of, Deliberate Attempt to Injure. Game Misconduct. Posted by: VN Redleg at March 18, 2013 04:43 PM (Hxzyo) These guys ain't goalies, and we're playing house rules, two minutes in the barrel.

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at March 18, 2013 01:06 PM (oScEo)

247 The thing I love about the "97% of climate scientists agree!" thing is that climate science is a very young field. It's mostly populated by people who got their Ph.D.s in other disciplines but decided to cross over and study how humans are affecting the climate, or by students who want to be scientists and are Concerned about how human activities are affecting the climate. I don't believe most of them are conspiring to perpetrate a hoax. It's just that if you set out to design a discipline where the evidence in favor of a problem gets weighted heavily, and outlandish claims do not get the reaction, "Hey, wait a minute, that can't be right"; whereas any evidence to the contrary sets off a horde of bullshit detectors and triggers a concerted effort to dismiss its importance - well, you couldn't do much better than what we have.

Posted by: JPS at March 18, 2013 01:07 PM (HS4aU)

248

Well, yeah. ...Of course we have to say what we're told, and manipulate the data to reflect it.

We need to get paid. Duh.

Posted by: Whores of Science at March 18, 2013 01:08 PM (rwujx)

249 248 JPS,

it's be like Genetics with Lysenko instead of Mendel as guiding light

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 01:09 PM (LRFds)

250 Not to throw real science into the mix, but here is NOAA data that refutes the warmists: http://tinyurl.com/qhl3r2 The original predictions in the original papers have all been refuted. "Bad scientist, no grant for you." would be appropriate. Two big volcanic eruptions and we will beg for more coal plants to save the planet with CO₂.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 18, 2013 01:11 PM (u82oZ)

251 Not to throw real science into the mix, but here is NOAA data that refutes the warmists:

The original predictions in the original papers have all been refuted. "Bad scientist, no grant for you." would be appropriate.

Two big volcanic eruptions and we will beg for more coal plants to save the planet with CO₂.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 18, 2013 05:11 PM (u82oZ)

throw it on the pile (/points at warehouse packed with refutations of global warming)

Posted by: tangonine at March 18, 2013 01:23 PM (x3YFz)

252 Not to throw real science into the mix, but here is NOAA data that refutes the warmists:

The original predictions in the original papers have all been refuted. "Bad scientist, no grant for you." would be appropriate.

Two big volcanic eruptions and we will beg for more coal plants to save the planet with CO₂.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 18, 2013 05:11 PM (u82oZ)

throw it on the pile (/points at warehouse packed with refutations of global warming)

Posted by: tangonine at March 18, 2013 01:23 PM (x3YFz)

253 >>>You are not allowed to compress events and change dates in a science, even if it leads to the more dramatic narrative arc you were hoping for.

You're such a child.

Posted by: A Well Respected Climatologist at March 18, 2013 01:25 PM (ZuiXp)

254 >>>You are not allowed to compress events and change dates in a science, even if it leads to the more dramatic narrative arc you were hoping for.

You're such a child.

Posted by: A Well Respected Climatologist at March 18, 2013 01:25 PM (ZuiXp)

255 "You are not allowed to compress events and change dates in a science..."

Well, there was your mistake, Ace. It isn't science, so they can do whatever the hell they want!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 18, 2013 01:37 PM (wtvvX)

256 It's postmodernist creep into their mission. They start out by saying "We can't understand actual reality. We can't communicate actual reality so others understand it. All we can do is guess in a manner that isn't demonstrably impossible or completely improbable, so others using the same methods will come to comparable results. And maybe somebody will build a case that our methods are in fact wholly divergent from reality. But until they prove our guesses are wildly in error, we are entitled to offer them." You see this in journalism and the media. Now, with computers, it's in the hard sciences. It's not a LIE, it's a hypothesis. If others take it and use it as if it were hard truth, that's their mistake.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 18, 2013 01:38 PM (EWKEr)

257 Why? the LAST thing we want is to get people all riled up about the coming Ice Age...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 18, 2013 01:56 PM (lZBBB)

258 The date shifting was done by consensus.

Posted by: Ken in NH at March 18, 2013 04:55 PM (xZWOD)

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