February 28, 2013
— Ace ...but Obama has changed his opinion on gay marriage again, and again in the leftwing direction, towards that 1995 questionnaire position he's always claimed he never really believed.
Just a few months ago, he said he wanted to leave the issue to the states; now that he's past the election, he wants it federalized, and imposed on the states.
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Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 28, 2013 01:47 PM (RRbuy)
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2013 01:47 PM (53z96)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 01:47 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2013 01:47 PM (XUKZU)
The President is still evolving. I wonder if he's evolving on bestiality, too. Marriage to Michelle might do that to a man.
Posted by: troyriser at February 28, 2013 01:48 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 28, 2013 01:49 PM (mV8sg)
Is this nutso stuff, or is there really anything to it? I know Drudge makes his little jokes and allusions to it, but is there a there there?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 01:49 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at February 28, 2013 01:49 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 01:49 PM (WW8ug)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 28, 2013 01:49 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: USA at February 28, 2013 01:50 PM (RIg+t)
Posted by: BignJames at February 28, 2013 01:50 PM (j7iSn)
Posted by: zsasz at February 28, 2013 01:50 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Andy at February 28, 2013 01:51 PM (C/NnJ)
Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2013 01:51 PM (r2PLg)
Marriage and anything to do with the Government needs to be separated.
Marriage needs to become something that two consenting adults do in front of a member of the clergy of the faith of their choice, bound by the rules of that faith. It should be this ONLY.
The whole government-get a license, this is a legal thing, community property, etc. etc. etc. needs to become a LEGAL CONSTRUCT only. Call it a CIVIL PARTNERSHIP CONTRACT. It can be between two consenting ANYTHINGS.
See, get the government OUT of marriage. It's really that simple.
Posted by: Dastardly Dan at February 28, 2013 01:51 PM (2iVM3)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 28, 2013 01:52 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Ezra Klein at February 28, 2013 01:52 PM (w+Dvf)
My upcoming cameo in the remake of "Basic Instinct" is going to cause a lot of men to evolve.
Posted by: Helen Thomas's Aromatic Crotch at February 28, 2013 01:53 PM (m2IdD)
Posted by: zsasz at February 28, 2013 05:50 PM (MMC8r)
ISWYDT.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 28, 2013 01:53 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 28, 2013 05:49 PM (mV8sg)
I'm opposed to any official governmental recognition of any sort of relationship between members of the same sex with the only exception being that which is normal for civil or contractual law.
Not that it matters any longer at this point.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 01:53 PM (bb5+k)
Jimmy Carter was famous for micro-managing, down to approving the White House tennis court schedules; Barky can't be bothered to do basically anything that might fit into a president's job description except fly around and speechify. And he's just phoning that in off the teleprompter.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 28, 2013 01:54 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 01:54 PM (WW8ug)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 01:54 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2013 01:54 PM (vZW0W)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 05:49 PM (WW8ug)
Amsterdam is going the other way. They've banned the sale of pot to visitors, and now they are changing their laws to make prostitution illegal again.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 01:55 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: beach sport at February 28, 2013 01:56 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 01:56 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 28, 2013 01:56 PM (q177U)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 01:56 PM (WW8ug)
Or, as the Empress stated in #16, par for the course.
Will no one rid me of (read: Impeach) this JEF?
Posted by: acethepug at February 28, 2013 01:56 PM (VTXNb)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 05:55 PM (bb5+k)
The Dutch thought legalization would make skeevy, lowlife pimps and dealers go away. It didn't.
Posted by: troyriser at February 28, 2013 01:57 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 01:57 PM (J6kXj)
Pedophiles?
No lie, that's already started. I've read at least two articles pushing sympathy for kiddie diddlers, because 'they were born that way' and 'they can't help it'. One in the Guardian, and the other, I think in the New York Times. And we all know two articles make a trend!
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 28, 2013 01:57 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: CAC at February 28, 2013 01:57 PM (E5KCn)
Mr. President, have you put any gays on your staff?
Posted by: zsasz at February 28, 2013 05:50 PM (MMC8r)
ISWYDT.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 28, 2013 05:53 PM (ZOf1l)
I LOL'd!
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 28, 2013 01:57 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Sunspot Barry at February 28, 2013 01:58 PM (m2IdD)
Posted by: Dastardly Dan at February 28, 2013 05:51 PM (2iVM3)
Dan, I've been making that same argument for over 10 years now. The liberal gay activists want nothing short of government endorsement of their lifestyle, anything less is unacceptable. That way they can take their marriage certificate and wave it in the face of their parents or whoever else disapproved. It has nothing to do with marriage and everything to do with their fragile little egos and a desperate need for someone to validate their life choices for them.
Posted by: Reggie Love at February 28, 2013 01:58 PM (hpYnL)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 01:58 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: T. at February 28, 2013 01:58 PM (qKKPE)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 01:58 PM (WW8ug)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 28, 2013 01:58 PM (q177U)
Posted by: beach at February 28, 2013 01:58 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 01:59 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: mallfly at February 28, 2013 01:59 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: The Political Hat at February 28, 2013 01:59 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 01:59 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: Snoop Hagel at February 28, 2013 02:00 PM (r2PLg)
"almost"
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:00 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2013 02:00 PM (jaxME)
Posted by: Mick Jagger at February 28, 2013 02:00 PM (m2IdD)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:00 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: zsasz at February 28, 2013 02:01 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 28, 2013 02:01 PM (ndlFj)
That's what has the MFM in such a tizzy over Woodward; someone broke ranks and admitted to a couple of them.
And I can't help but think that all of them would be more likeable after a trip through a shark's digestive system.
Lasers optional.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 28, 2013 02:01 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: BuddyPC at February 28, 2013 02:01 PM (jfUIE)
It won't fly with the culturistas because it doesn't meet the 'helps destroy western civilization' criteria, but we must endeavor to persevere.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 28, 2013 02:02 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: The White House at February 28, 2013 02:02 PM (FcR7P)
Marriage needs to become something that two consenting adults do in front of a member of the clergy of the faith of their choice, bound by the rules of that faith. It should be this ONLY.
The whole government-get a license, this is a legal thing, community property, etc. etc. etc. needs to become a LEGAL CONSTRUCT only. Call it a CIVIL PARTNERSHIP CONTRACT. It can be between two consenting ANYTHINGS.
See, get the government OUT of marriage. It's really that simple.
Posted by: Dastardly Dan at February 28, 2013 05:51 PM (2iVM3)
I disagree. Official Governmental sanction is necessary for establishing inheritance/survivor property rights. Marriage CANNOT be separated from the Civil Authority for this very reason.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:02 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:02 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: lincolntf at February 28, 2013 02:02 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Snoop Hagel at February 28, 2013 02:02 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 02:03 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 02:03 PM (C+oFs)
Posted by: Snoop Hagel at February 28, 2013 02:04 PM (r2PLg)
Pedophiles?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2013 05:53 PM (BuSM
Yup. Look at Alfred Kinsey's sexual experimentation on children. Seriously, if you didn't already know about this, you won't believe it happened.
Also German Socialists were pushing for legalizing pedophilia back in the 1960s.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:04 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:04 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: beach at February 28, 2013 02:04 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:05 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:06 PM (QxSug)
Any 2 consenting adults already HAVE the authority to get married. Just say you're fucking married. Boom! Done.
Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 28, 2013 05:56 PM (q177U)
No they do not. I am tired and disgusted of Liberal's attempts to re-define the meaning of words. I do not believe in the tyranny of the majority either.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:06 PM (bb5+k)
Also German Socialists were pushing for legalizing pedophilia back in the 1960s.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 06:04 PM (bb5+k)
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Hmmm. Second look at Germany then.
Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 28, 2013 02:07 PM (mV8sg)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:07 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: BuddyPC at February 28, 2013 02:07 PM (jfUIE)
Posted by: toby928© from the future at February 28, 2013 02:07 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: thatoneguy at February 28, 2013 02:08 PM (gfhZa)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:08 PM (QxSug)
Hey Mr. President, I'm having trouble finding that ID-10T form you wanted me to get.
Posted by: John Boehner
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2013 02:09 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: troyriser at February 28, 2013 05:57 PM (vtiE6)
I argue with Libertarians all the time. I take many opportunities to rub their face in the fact that their ideology is non functional whenever it is attempted in the real world. I have a thread over at "Talkpolywell.org" entitled " Another Libertarian theory fails experimental reality."
It is regarding Dutch attempts to scale back legalized prostitution.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:09 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: BuddyPC at February 28, 2013 02:09 PM (jfUIE)
Posted by: Snoop Hagel at February 28, 2013 02:10 PM (r2PLg)
as in feminism was the next black rights, then muslim rights, then gay rights, then who knows...free birth control, free abortion, free gas, free cars, free children, free whatever...
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 06:06 PM (QxSug)
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FREEBIRD!!!!
Posted by: Skynyrd Fan at February 28, 2013 02:10 PM (mV8sg)
but you can'tgo up to anyone and solicit sex for money, or money for sex, if you wanna be pedantic about it. Same with pot, pretty much: Can't sell it outside of the many legal stores; not selling to tourists is an interesting touch
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 28, 2013 02:10 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 28, 2013 02:10 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 02:11 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 02:11 PM (Jelfu)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 02:11 PM (J6kXj)
What's weird is I copy and pasted your comment and the Jews stole the & sign.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2013 02:11 PM (w+Dvf)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:12 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:12 PM (Rcoex)
btw can we talk about that poor boy wth the Munchausen-by-Proxy mom who thinks he's a girl here too? I was at work earlier and need to rant
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 05:57 PM (J6kXj)
I would think that in a sane world the parents would be investigated for child abuse.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:12 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: CAC at February 28, 2013 02:12 PM (E5KCn)
Posted by: Your Reality Check at February 28, 2013 02:12 PM (pmsMR)
Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2013 02:12 PM (gINGj)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:13 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: zsasz at February 28, 2013 02:13 PM (MMC8r)
But pot helps in digestion for people missing gall bladders.
Posted by: CAC at February 28, 2013 05:57 PM (E5KCn)
They didn't ban it for residents, just for visitors. It is now illegal to sell pot to people who are not dutch citizens.
Apparently they weren't liking Amsterdam as the Mecca of drug users.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:13 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2013 02:14 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 02:14 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: CAC at February 28, 2013 02:14 PM (E5KCn)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 02:14 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 02:15 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 02:15 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 06:11 PM (J6kXj)
???
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 28, 2013 02:15 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2013 02:15 PM (w+Dvf)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 02:16 PM (Jelfu)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:16 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: ScorpiObama at February 28, 2013 02:16 PM (eHIJJ)
I would like to thank all the Christians who stayed home in November because they couldnt vote for a Mormon.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp
The president lost support among most religious groups as defined by the exit polls. The biggest drop came in the Jewish vote, which fell 9 points, from 78 percent in 2008 to 69 percent [in 2012]. Forty percent of white Catholics supported Obama, compared to 47 percent when he beat Sen. John McCain, and 20 percent of white born-again Christians and evangelicals backed the president, compared to 26 percent the last time.
http://tinyurl.com/ctcswvt
Silly person.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2013 02:16 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:17 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:17 PM (Rcoex)
Did you find my earring?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 02:17 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 02:17 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: Reggie Love at February 28, 2013 05:58 PM (hpYnL)
Years ago I did quite a lot of research regarding the "Gay" lifestyle, and it exemplifies quite a few psychological schisms. In San Fransisco's bath houses, Gays would have an average of ten sexual encounters per night.
They were promiscuous on a scale unknown to heterosexuals. One suggested reason was that they had a psychological need to convince themselves there was nothing wrong with their behavior, and so therefore they would do it over and over so as to sway their subconscious by repetition.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:18 PM (bb5+k)
I've read at least two articles pushing sympathy for kiddie diddlers, because 'they were born that way'
They try that with my kids and they can die that way too.
Posted by: hindmost at February 28, 2013 02:18 PM (t6Jvs)
Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2013 02:18 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:18 PM (QxSug)
Did you find my earring?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 06:17 PM (UOM4
Yes but....it was stuck in....something.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 28, 2013 02:18 PM (X6akg)
Our anti-gay, homophobic, hateful heads.
'Cause we're hate-filled, hateful, haters who hate and hate and hate.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 28, 2013 02:19 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: beach at February 28, 2013 02:19 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:20 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:20 PM (QxSug)
Years ago I did quite a lot of research regarding the "Gay" lifestyle
Posted by: DiogenesLamp
Like playing T-ball around here today.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2013 02:20 PM (kdS6q)
That's a helluva story to read about. Classic case of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
Posted by: zsasz at February 28, 2013 06:01 PM (MMC8r)
I have an assortment of them which I bring out occasionally for the purpose of beating Libertarians over the head with.
There is a strong vein of insanity running through most Libertarians.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:20 PM (bb5+k)
The last big fight my ultra-lib/socialist sister and I had (she stopped speaking to me for months, until I sent her money to survive on) was over this.
She ranted that military chaplains should be forced to marry same-sex couples.
Forced.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 02:21 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 02:21 PM (Jelfu)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 28, 2013 02:22 PM (OevbG)
Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2013 02:22 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 02:22 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:22 PM (Rcoex)
That's a stonin'.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 02:23 PM (UOM48)
I am still wondering now that He does not need to concern himself with the election Re Putin: is what he meant by "He will be more fluid"
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:23 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 28, 2013 06:01 PM (ndlFj)
I am not religious, but I will point out that the Bible is not just a religious text, but also a history book. There are several examples of what a debauched population of a town will do regarding visitors.
Homosexual dominance of visitors was mandatory in Sodom and Gomorah, as well as the City of Benjamin. I suspect that something similar will occur anywhere should sufficient quantity or homosexuals get into positions of power.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:24 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: zsasz at February 28, 2013 02:24 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2013 02:24 PM (9XBK2)
I can't wait for the persercution against the Christian church to ramp up after gay marriage is Federal law. Muslims will get a pass of course. Yea, the 21st Century is turning out to be awsome!!!
Posted by: puddleglum at February 28, 2013 02:25 PM (15w2J)
The left must enforce it's "morality" upon everyone.It's their imperative.
Posted by: steevy
How IS that Republican truce on social issues working out for them?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2013 02:25 PM (kdS6q)
"Call it a CIVIL PARTNERSHIP CONTRACT. It can be between two consenting ANYTHINGS."
"I disagree. Official Governmental sanction is necessary for establishing inheritance/survivor property rights. Marriage CANNOT be separated from the Civil Authority for this very reason. "
I disagree with your disagreement. Where this needs to go is when (1) man and (1) woman wish to become "married" in the manner it currently exists, they have to do two things: (1) Go to the courthouse and draw up a Civil Partnership Contract, and (2) Go to the church and have the formal ceremony under the eyes of God.
Permutations of above:
The MW couple can do (1) and not do (2) and live in an unmarried civil partnership.
Gay couples can do (1) and can go shop (2) around to whatever bullshit liberal "church" they can find to hitch 'em. Or not.
If the Catholic Church or whoever tells Bruce and Steve to take a hike, so be it.
The government gets the control they disgustingly require from everyone via item (1).
Posted by: Jaws at February 28, 2013 02:25 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:25 PM (Rcoex)
SMH.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 28, 2013 02:26 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 02:27 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:27 PM (4tmHG)
Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2013 02:27 PM (9XBK2)
I have a different take... this has NOTHING to do with Gays...
This has to do with destroying fracturing the American people, into competing groups, so they will be so busy being angry at each other, that they will ignore the Government...
We all know people who have checked out of any political or civil discourse, because of the strident nature of discusion. The are silenced by the vocal Minority.... and thus cede their power... WHICH IS JUST WHAT THEY WANT.
There are just not that many Gay people in America... yet somehow they drive such a political agenda... that they have the Military and Government Kowtowing to them....
The silent Majority, is becoming the Neutered Majority....
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 28, 2013 02:27 PM (lZBBB)
I will say to anyone supporting these type of actions because it is their specific gripe.
That although this might be a feel good moment, They will bite your ass next and You WILL comply or else.
nice freedom we have here.
In fact i am questioning The govt lack of action on My Right to be provided a Gun for my protection.
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:28 PM (nqBYe)
The first duty of a government is to insure the perpetuation of the state.
Standing Armies--and future taxpayers are something the government is not completely evil in encouraging.
Posted by: Snoop Hagel at February 28, 2013 06:02 PM (r2PLg)
I make this point ALL THE TIME. If a government cannot insure it's existence, it will not survive. For this reason, Re population is Absolutely an essential governmental interest, and the State MUST encourage the creation and maintenance of such a population as is necessary to maintain the adequate function of the government. Else it goes instinct.
This is why Drug abuse *IS* an issue of interest to a stable society.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:28 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 02:28 PM (0PiQ4)
*cough* Obama and Reggie *cough*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 02:28 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: carolina at February 28, 2013 02:29 PM (QVLHl)
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at February 28, 2013 02:29 PM (7v5Ct)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at February 28, 2013 02:29 PM (hee61)
While Mooch is on another vacay, and he'll have the locks on the WH doors changed.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 02:30 PM (UOM48)
We all know people who have checked out of any political or civil discourse, because of the strident nature of discusion. The are silenced by the vocal Minority.... and thus cede their power... WHICH IS JUST WHAT THEY WANT.
There are just not that many Gay people in America... yet somehow they drive such a political agenda... that they have the Military and Government Kowtowing to them....
The silent Majority, is becoming the Neutered Majority....
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 28, 2013 06:27 PM (lZBBB)
It's what Obama is an agitator, divisive , reprehensible divider of the people.
so far it's working.
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:30 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2013 02:30 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at February 28, 2013 02:30 PM (7v5Ct)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:30 PM (Rcoex)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2013 02:31 PM (p/cQy)
Seriously Ace - If you want any rest you are going to have to turn off the TV, PC and get away from any political info. At the dizzying rate this administration is throwing shit you'll never get any rest.
Run. Fast.
Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2013 02:31 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Dastardly Dan at February 28, 2013 05:51 PM (2iVM3)
Dan, I've been making that same argument for over 10 years now. The liberal gay activists want nothing short of government endorsement of their lifestyle, anything less is unacceptable. That way they can take their marriage certificate and wave it in the face of their parents or whoever else disapproved. It has nothing to do with marriage and everything to do with their fragile little egos and a desperate need for someone to validate their life choices for them.
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It's worse than that. Because it's not about "marriage." It's about forcing you to accept it as natural and good.
Once the federal government gives any--ANY--sort of union between homosexuals an official or legal term (marriage, civil union, civil partnership, etc.) the machinery is already in place to destroy any and all private entities that refuse to accept it.
All those anti-discrimination laws, all those hate crime laws, all those regulations and mandates, all of them suddenly come crashing down on you the second you refuse any good or service to a couple of queers shacking up.
That's what is going to happen. You can have your business, you can have your church, you can have your religion--but the second you say "boo" to a queer, you are done.
That is the plan and that will happen.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 28, 2013 02:31 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 06:06 PM (QxSug)
This is something the appeasers never get. They. Will. Not. Stop.... EVER!
Something else will be the new "Change" they are demanding. The book "Leftism Revisited" makes it clear that the primary motivating force behind many of these socialist movements is "change" for change's sake.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:31 PM (bb5+k)
The US will be no different.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
Most black communities with a 70% unwed mother rate is a prime example.
Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2013 02:32 PM (G+Wff)
He says i'm so tired.
everyone says ok take a well deserved break,
ace is renewed by that thought and pounds out another post.
we'll see if he stomps this one.
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:32 PM (nqBYe)
But I'm already married!
Posted by: M. Chaplain at February 28, 2013 02:33 PM (eHIJJ)
awesome we'll all be refugees or slaves!
America come for the opportunity stay for the "fuck you!"
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:33 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 02:33 PM (UOM48)
Our biggest strength will be in community, but we must collapse in on ourselves and use every legal means needed to force the blue out from us.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:34 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Weird flunky at February 28, 2013 02:34 PM (tlhtD)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at February 28, 2013 02:35 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
Really? Canada has had gay marriage legalized for almost a decade now, and not only has their country not fallen apart, but it was only a month or two ago that their currency became more valuable than our own.
Posted by: thatoneguy at February 28, 2013 02:35 PM (gfhZa)
Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 06:11 PM (Jelfu)
I think they are shooting for mandatory participation by school kids. That would be my best guess as to where this ideology is going.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:35 PM (bb5+k)
they mistake not being pushy for absence, it's a good skill MUMR...
subtle sells better anyway.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:35 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:36 PM (XXE3J)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:36 PM (Rcoex)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 06:28 PM (bb5+k)
Governments have no interests.... they are not Entities... they are things created by the People, and given Powers, and Restrictions...
To speak of them having an 'interest' is to personify them... ie... make them somthing they are not...
Its like when people talk of Government 'Rights'.... how can a manmade thing have an inalienable Right? ie... when WE can change, or even disolve it, at will?
Now... it might be accurate to say that those in charge of a government that did not put into effect policies which promoted Population growth, would soon cease to exist... that I'd agree with...
But when you make it an 'interest' as if its an entity? We intelectualy cede our power over it.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 28, 2013 02:36 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 28, 2013 02:37 PM (4ILQs)
trying to figure out if we even have any chance of the govt backing off.
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:37 PM (nqBYe)
And it has everything: an opportunity to further stick it to Christianity, especially the Catholic Church, an opportunity to employ Government power to engage in social engineering, an opportunity to imply that Conservatives are "retrograde and stupid," an opportunity to increase contemporary reality's surreality quotient, an opportunity to further encourage hedonism and Nihilism (and Heathenism), and an opportunity to further imply that 1 man = 1 woman*.
*if 1 man + 1 woman != 1 man + 1 man or 1 man + 1 woman != 1 woman + 1 woman then 1 man != 1 woman
but if 1 man + 1 woman == 1 man + 1 man and 1 man + 1 woman == 1 woman + 1 woman then 1 man == 1 woman
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 06:12 PM (Rcoex)
I recall reading that the Nazis would force a man to rape his own daughter in front of the village. Tolerance won't be enough. At some point they will force participation just to make sure you are the right degree of "tolerant."
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:37 PM (bb5+k)
Nah he's been illustrative. When some were accusing him of trolling during the cycle I responded he and I had had lengthy chats here. I can't jam wisdom in 240 characters as often as ace can, but I can usually get a smile with a line or two amongst those that get my schtick.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:38 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at February 28, 2013 02:38 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:38 PM (Rcoex)
This society operated it's first hundred or so years without the state controlling the institution of marriage. It can do so again. Marriage was better off then than now.
Marriage is not about freedom it is about control. A societal custom imposed upon the younger generation of heterosexual lovers that they might, for the good of society as a whole, make a permanent binding commitment to each other to live as family. A custom which the state summarily seized control over. A whole spectrum of beautiful, wonderful, relationships a person can have fall outside of the boundaries of societal interest, and therefore outside of custom and law. So they exist in a free state, defined by who is in them, voluntarily, without coercion. Gay relationships exist in this zone for the most part. Free to be defined as those who are in them see fit. And yet they clamor for their king to rule over their lives and expand the power of state into a realm of human relationships where it has no interest and therefore no business controlling.
It is not simply a voluntary thing really. It is a societal imperative and obligation where it exists. If they want the custom, they can have the responsibility and obligations that comes with it. I will be unabashed in informing them, as I have been informed over my life, that there is one proper way to conduct your life in regards to sexuality, and that deviance from that is a departure from morality in that it harms the society.
"Are you thinking about marriage?" "Well if you are sleeping together you should get married" "When are you going to settle down" "You shouldn't sleep around you should commit to one person" "When are you thinking of adopting" "If you don't raise kids you are just being selfish"
While I wish that had not come to pass for it opens a door for further intrusion of government into private relationships it looks as if it will. Congratulations you will have earned the "right" to be subservient to custom and state for the good of society.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 02:39 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: GOP are haters at February 28, 2013 02:39 PM (UAN+X)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 02:39 PM (C8mVl)
Anecdote, so fair warning. But I work with a couple of black men and
women and they told me straight up that "gayness" is a "white man's
thing"
*cough* Obama and Reggie *cough*
-----
Yup, and that's all they'll do is cough. If he ever came out, Obama would magically become half-white again. And Kenyan.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 28, 2013 02:40 PM (YmPwQ)
where institutions will be forced compliance?
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:40 PM (nqBYe)
You don't need to impose it federally as it's already implied under our laws and traditions:
1) Equal protection under the law
2) Pursuit of happiness
Any 2 consenting adults already HAVE the authority to get married. Just say you're fucking married. Boom! Done.
Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 28, 2013 05:56 PM (q177U)
Yes. Any body that holds and declares themselves to be married under the law, is in fact married under the law.
Depending on the state, of course. LOL! All rights to the state. *snicker*
Coothie taught me this. But he knows. He and his better half live it.
What happens if the move to a common law state, though? I wonder.
Posted by: jem ette at February 28, 2013 02:40 PM (7g1yh)
Have seen it happen personally, a boy (also a twin) in my daughter's preschool class. He wore his hair long, took a girl's name and only wore girl clothes. We all pretty much ignored it (his parents did use EI for his spectrumy things) and he's guess what? ...just fine now. not looking for a sex-change or anything
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 28, 2013 06:15 PM (J6kXj)
I think a lot of those people who are have some sort of serious undiagnosed psychological problem. I once read an article written about Chaz (Chastity) Bono by a Psychologist. He basically said she was a very mentally sick little girl after she was repeatedly molested by her Lesbian Baby-sitter, whom her mother had left her with for years.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:41 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Devil's Advocate at February 28, 2013 02:41 PM (YmPwQ)
Wait a minute ..... this just in ...... he isn't a god -- he IS God.
I am so easily confused.
Posted by: jc at February 28, 2013 02:41 PM (i8c5b)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 28, 2013 02:41 PM (XXE3J)
This business about a possible comet impact on Mars next year is amazing! If it hits, it will release the equivalent trillions of megatons of TNT, and carve out a crater 500 km wide. Obviously this is SMOD, just checking that all systems are in working order, in advance of the 2016 elections!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 28, 2013 02:41 PM (KESFj)
I dunno...I am really at a loss as to why since my wife and I have almost finished raising boy we can't marry my ex...?
"why not?"
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:42 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 06:13 PM (QxSug)
Can we agree that an unlawful repudiation of the 2nd Amendment by the federal government is the red line, the line in the sand, the 'this far and no farther' point at which we will not yield?
I won't presume to speak for anyone else or encourage others to do likewise but I'm giving nothing up no matter what law is passed, whether local, state or national. Nothing.
Posted by: troyriser at February 28, 2013 02:42 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:43 PM (nqBYe)
I would assume he's just trying to please his parents. Children tend to do that.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 06:17 PM (Rcoex)
I assume this as well, hence my suggestion that THEY ought to be investigated for child abuse.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:43 PM (bb5+k)
sure *we* can agree but in the end it is up to Eric 'civil war" Cantor whether or not to give the mules legal cover....
if the mules want to force me to join their idiots in a game of burn it all down I am reasoning through the moral case.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:43 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:44 PM (Rcoex)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 02:45 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: puddleglum at February 28, 2013 02:45 PM (8SsiG)
Can we fit D.C. in a giant spacecraft and send it to Mars before SMOD? I wouldn't mind unsequestering money for that.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2013 02:45 PM (eHIJJ)
yes those paragons who filibustered civil rights are preaching again...
hey dickhole the economy is imploding perspective retard.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:45 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 28, 2013 02:45 PM (bGlsD)
I won't presume tospeak for anyone else or encourage others to do likewise but I'm giving nothing up no matter what law is passed, whetherlocal, state or national. Nothing.
Posted by: troyriser at February 28, 2013 06:42 PM (vtiE6)
I hhave wondered about this.
IF the govt is lacking compliance on following the constitution OR bill of rights.
Why are we respecting His constitutional right at being the Leader?
why are we to comply on Laws if they do not?srsly What lesson are we getting from this whole experience these last years?
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:46 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:46 PM (Rcoex)
Anecdote, so fair warning. But I work with a couple of black men and
women and they told me straight up that "gayness" is a "white man's
thing"
And in prison ... what?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 28, 2013 02:46 PM (IDSI7)
I think we've crossed that line all due respect...
the democrat reads it and sees free shit and abortion, and no argument for guns, speech, faith, or privacy and non self-incrimination law or deference to states.....
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:47 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: mofo at February 28, 2013 02:47 PM (QHS8p)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 02:47 PM (C8mVl)
yes conservative fever broke out BECAUSE of gay marriage...
coincidence *is* causation...
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:47 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:48 PM (Rcoex)
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at February 28, 2013 02:48 PM (lAdCl)
Right because something like this craters a people in less than 10 years? Grow up. Just the degeneration of marriage in the US thanks to modern divorce took 2 generations. And that was fast.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 02:48 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at February 28, 2013 02:48 PM (tAoev)
It is the push on into where do we take religion ?
do they have to comply with ceremonies?
could those that want to get married form theior own religious instituions like Scientology has?
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:49 PM (nqBYe)
There's a way to sucker the fucker into shooting his dick off...
petition him with a grievance as to that issue and watch the fun begin....
wanna bet the new magic # at his website becomes 300,000,000 to get an answer?
Time to start living by their rules.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:49 PM (LRFds)
Yes. Gay marriage = stronger currency. I'm convinced.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 06:46 PM (Rcoex)
Also check the timescale. "The ink is dry on the signature line of the gay marriage bill, and the country's doing fine, so there!"
Attention numbnuts: societies collapse on the generational timescale, not the sneezing timescale.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 28, 2013 02:49 PM (IDSI7)
I won't presume tospeak for anyone else or encourage others to do likewise but I'm giving nothing up no matter what law is passed, whetherlocal, state or national. Nothing.
Posted by: troyriser at February 28, 2013 06:42 PM (vtiE6)
=============
You know shit's getting freaky weird when law professor Glenn Reynolds says things like, "If they refuse to respect all the laws, they are entitled to no protection under any of the laws."
Kinda scary that we are fast approaching the point . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 28, 2013 02:50 PM (VjL9S)
Although there is one comparison that can be made. For thousands of years no major religion or philosophy ever opposed interracial marriage. (Class, caste, and religion are another matter.)
Then in the late 18th century there rose up all these new-fangled theories of race which were held to be progressive, enlightened, scientific. Anti-miscegenation laws were cool and modern! In fact, the only strong opposition to them came from the knuckle-dragging Catholic Church.
Now we are about to overturn the wisdom of the ages again in an unprecedented Modern! Scientific! view of marriage. Perhaps it's not such a good idea this time either.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 06:27 PM (C8mVl)
It is my recollection that we had a Vice President who was married to a black woman. (Back around 1820 or so, I think. I'll have to look it up again.)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:50 PM (bb5+k)
Pedophiles?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
Polyamory.
Posted by: puddleglum at February 28, 2013 02:50 PM (8SsiG)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 02:50 PM (C8mVl)
Do you think he has 34 Senators that would never impeach him under any circumstances? Then he cannot be removed from office.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 02:51 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 02:52 PM (nqBYe)
33 So what's next after the gays? Because there's gotta be something.Pedophiles?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
Polyamory.
No, Dack had it right. Pederasty will be mainstreamed next. NAMBLA is already warming up in the bullpen.
Why? Because that will destroy society faster than almost anything, and so it will be Reds' next choice. They'd have gone with it already but frog/ boiling water and all that.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 28, 2013 02:53 PM (IDSI7)
The US will be no different.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2013 06:31 PM (p/cQy)
People don't realize that it is a function of natural laws. They are like the laws of economics. You may THINK you can play games with them, but they will always win in the end.
A nation which cannot maintain functional demographics is a nation which cannot survive. Just look at the Islamization of Europe.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:55 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: farmersusie at February 28, 2013 02:55 PM (9zugO)
Posted by: kartoffel at February 28, 2013 02:55 PM (OgNv0)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2013 02:55 PM (EP9xU)
Posted by: GOP are haters at February 28, 2013 02:56 PM (UAN+X)
I was talking with wife after I had posted to you that *this* is the flaw the 34 thing...
the entire dynamic of the hedge the founders made was altered by the 17th...
we're fucked dumbasses outsmarted the founders.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 02:57 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 02:58 PM (Rcoex)
Our biggest strength will be in community, but we must collapse in on ourselves and use every legal means needed to force the blue out from us.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 06:34 PM (LRFds)
No argument from me. I foresee us someday being in the position of Happy Marines.
"We have them exactly where we want them! The poor Bastards have us surrounded. "
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 02:59 PM (bb5+k)
But of course that's not true. There are also the stupid, the parasites, and the America-hating Marxists who team with the credulous to form the New Democratic Coalition.
Posted by: Adjoran at February 28, 2013 02:59 PM (9uOra)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at February 28, 2013 03:00 PM (PMGbu)
Really? Canada has had gay marriage legalized for almost a decade now, and not only has their country not fallen apart, but it was only a month or two ago that their currency became more valuable than our own.
Posted by: thatoneguy at February 28, 2013 06:35 PM (gfhZa)
Give it time. As one philosopher once intoned... "There is much ruin in a nation."
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:00 PM (bb5+k)
As soon as I saw a post with pengiuns in sweaters I knew teh gay was on it's way. No homo.
Posted by: bosk at February 28, 2013 03:01 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 03:01 PM (Rcoex)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 03:02 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 28, 2013 03:03 PM (Rcoex)
Well. I guess the country was bored. They did vote for Fundamental Transfomation after all. Just what the fuck did they think they were going to get?
Well, maybe at least they're not bored anymore. Famine and pestilence and ruin, while not fun, are certainly not boring.
LIFB.
Posted by: LGoPs at February 28, 2013 03:03 PM (BJVEF)
But when you make it an 'interest' as if its an entity? We intelectualy cede our power over it.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 28, 2013 06:36 PM (lZBBB)
Don't want to get into a metaphysical debate about whether a government constitutes a form of a living organism. For the purpose of this discussion let's just regard it as a software program which must compete against other software programs to remain functional.
If it doesn't look to insuring adequate defenders, it will terminate and be replaced by a more successful (at surviving) governmental system. The Default is always tyranny.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:04 PM (bb5+k)
hope they grasp they are playing with explosives.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 06:36 PM (LRFds)
They don't care. They are the party of death. It's a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:05 PM (bb5+k)
for almost a decade now, and not only has their country not fallen
apart, but it was only a month or two ago that their currency became
more valuable than our own.
Posted by: thatoneguy at February 28, 2013 06:35 PM (gfhZa)
Did it have any effect on religious institutions?
Were they made to comply?
as i said, civil marriage , legal positions , health care etc, wills etc not really my concern,
But what about a Shul? a Mosque a church ?
Posted by: ette at February 28, 2013 03:05 PM (nqBYe)
This society operated it's first hundred or so years without the state controlling the institution of marriage. It can do so again. Marriage was better off then than now.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 06:39 PM (0q2P7)
Really? Which states refused to recognize inheritance/ survivor rights which were based on marriage?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:08 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 03:08 PM (QxSug)
No they do not. I am tired and disgusted of Liberal's attempts to re-define the meaning of words. I do not believe in the tyranny of the majority either.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 06:06 PM (bb5+k) </quote>
They aren't married, but their freedom of speech allows them to claim it anyways. In a non-PC world, we'd have the freedom to mock their delusion.
But in any case, it's not really about "loving gay couples" calling themselves married, it's about law-fare and tearing down traditional norms and mandatory "tolerance". There's no type of surrender that will stop it, because it's not about gay marriage, it's about what gay marriage will do to society for their Utopian vision.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 28, 2013 03:08 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 28, 2013 03:09 PM (QxSug)
Yeah, I make a passing mention of that in my post.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 03:09 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: toby928© waxes mundane at February 28, 2013 03:10 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 28, 2013 06:41 PM (KESFj)
If we had a functional space program, we ought to make certain that it hits. If we are to ever terraform Mars, we are going to need a lot of mass, (especially water mass) and this is a golden opportunity to add some.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:11 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: toby928© waxes mundane at February 28, 2013 03:12 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2013 06:45 PM (C8mVl)
When the Constitution was written, the normal treatment for Homosexuals was Execution. Thomas Jefferson himself proposed a change to Virginia law which would replace execution with castration. He considered it a more reasoned solution.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:13 PM (bb5+k)
Inheritance and survivor rights had to be established (where no will was present) by direct testimony, and the appropriate entry in the family bible. My family bible has such an entry in it.
That isn't the State controlling marriage. A Will in that case eliminates the need for the state to even look for a marriage. The State did not control the institution, or even know that a particular marriage existed.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 03:16 PM (0q2P7)
Right because something like this craters a people in less than 10 years? Grow up. Just the degeneration of marriage in the US thanks to modern divorce took 2 generations. And that was fast.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 06:48 PM (0q2P7)
Many people really have difficulty in comprehending the time scales involved for some of these ruinous Democrat idea. I am convinced that Lyndon Johnson was the primary destroyer of the Black family.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:16 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Al at February 28, 2013 03:19 PM (V70Uh)
the entire dynamic of the hedge the founders made was altered by the 17th...
we're fucked dumbasses outsmarted the founders.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 06:57 PM (LRFds)
The 14th did a great deal of damage to the culture. It is the basis for excluding religion from State events, and also the basis for legalizing abortion.
I've slowly come to the conclusion that there aren't very many good amendments after the first ten.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:20 PM (bb5+k)
A simpler, more streamlined version would have been better.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:21 PM (bb5+k)
But in any case, it's not really about "loving gay couples" calling themselves married, it's about law-fare and tearing down traditional norms and mandatory "tolerance". There's no type of surrender that will stop it, because it's not about gay marriage, it's about what gay marriage will do to society for their Utopian vision.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 28, 2013 07:08 PM (sGtp+)
Agreed.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:23 PM (bb5+k)
That isn't the State controlling marriage. A Will in that case eliminates the need for the state to even look for a marriage. The State did not control the institution, or even know that a particular marriage existed.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 07:16 PM (0q2P7)
I think you are dodging the point. Marriage defacto established a lot of those things.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 28, 2013 03:26 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 03:27 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Posty McPosterton at February 28, 2013 03:27 PM (8+xjO)
Posted by: Jen at February 28, 2013 03:39 PM (iCEjW)
No proof of marriage, as offered in court by testimony and written record did.
To the extent that it was recognized it had no more recognition than any other agreement you may have entered into in life. And was under the same burden of proof as any other agreement. For instance if your estate had debts, those debts had just as much, if not more claim on your inheritance than your marriage agreement. Providing the debtee could provide proof of those debts.
Their was no requirement that your marriage be registered with any civil authority.
A far cry from today where not only is your marriage required to be licensed and documented by the state, many parts of the US do not allow you to define your own terms of marriage.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 03:43 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 28, 2013 03:45 PM (yCvxi)
It is her understanding the the church hierarchy is searching for some kind of cover in the bible that will allow them to perform gay weddings
There is no cover there so good luck with that. The Bible is pretty clear on sexual immorality. The UMC (and most mainline churches) has been shedding members for decades. This won't help.
Posted by: puddleglum at February 28, 2013 03:47 PM (15w2J)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2013 04:28 PM (MuHYc)
They just keep digging and digging. We shall overcome.
Posted by: name at February 28, 2013 04:29 PM (KqnY1)
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Posted by: name at February 28, 2013 04:48 PM (KqnY1)
When you think about it, they've done a remarkable job of marketing. They've convinced most people that the abnormal is normal.
Pretty impressive.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 28, 2013 04:59 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Queer at February 28, 2013 06:37 PM (oRWdP)
NAMBLA ring a bell? The priests who abused kids are scum. should be thrown in jail and should de defrocked
and teachers should face harsh penalities too. The highest degree of abuse of kids comes in families.
Thinking marriage is a term that should be reserved for men and women does not mean someone hates gays, of course. It may, but it doesn't necessarily. maybe what it means is that the state should get out of the marriage business and leave that to churches and just hand out civil unions to people.Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2013 07:17 PM (MuHYc)
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