May 06, 2013
— Ace Obama and Hillary claimed there was no stand-down order and it was all a right-wing confabulation.
Then the entire leftwing political messaging machine went into overdrive to cover-up for them.
Now, via CBSNews' Sharyl Atkisson, a whistleblower is directly contradicting them and, by implication, branding them liars.
The deputy of slain U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens has told congressional investigators that a team of Special Forces prepared to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi during the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks was forbidden from doing so by U.S. Special Operations Command South Africa.The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday.
According to excerpts released Monday, Hicks told investigators that SOCAFRICA commander Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."
No assistance arrived from the U.S. military outside of Libya during the hours that Americans were under attack or trapped inside compounds by hostile forces armed with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and AK-47 rifles.
More at Hot Air, including this gem:
The left now has an explanation as to why they screamed so furiously that all was right in the world in Benghazi:
It's conservatives' fault. We tricked them into being so gullible and so fact-deprived. By lodging criticism, we forced them to call all criticism beyond the pale and indeed signs of a worrisome psychological infirmity.
If the three new witnesses donÂ’t get the attention they deserve, Fox News and its ilk deserves much of the blame.
So Fox was correct in pushing the story, but it's their fault that no other media outlet followed up (one major exception: A single reporter at CBS named Sharyl Atkisson), because, Fox, 8rs.
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Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:12 AM (4GtoN)
Posted by: Vic at May 06, 2013 10:13 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at May 06, 2013 10:13 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:14 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2013 10:14 AM (8ZskC)
-Or Cheney in a Bush.
...Faux Nooooooz!!!!!1111
Salon? Gangbusters! Way to go! *cough*
...crackheads
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 06, 2013 10:14 AM (7gwGw)
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:14 AM (4GtoN)
*sigh*
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If O were a Republican....... Hillary would be President.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 06, 2013 10:15 AM (nELVU)
As the man said, they are the enemy.
Posted by: Vic at May 06, 2013 10:15 AM (53z96)
@SharylAttkisson 2h
The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base { Crete } is an hourÂ’s flight from Libya.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 06, 2013 10:15 AM (Yr6sH)
Posted by: real joe at May 06, 2013 10:16 AM (bCVtl)
Posted by: Jack at May 06, 2013 10:17 AM (Zv1QB)
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Au Contra-ire Mon Fri-ere...
They ran LOTTSA stories about how Mitt Romney was to blame.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 06, 2013 10:17 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: buzzion at May 06, 2013 10:17 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Whatever you say at May 06, 2013 10:17 AM (mS6+h)
Remember Fast and Furious? Yeah, neither do I.
Not holding my breath.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2013 10:17 AM (8ZskC)
Someone needs to dig up the Clinton 'Eulogy for Chris' from Edwards AFB and play it over and over, again.
Posted by: garrett at May 06, 2013 10:17 AM (TyW3A)
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 10:18 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Sarcastic and Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 06, 2013 10:18 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: [/i][/b] at May 06, 2013 10:18 AM (Vgn84)
20 that was romneys fault
he should have started and ended every speech and interview with "the president let four of our people die in Libya and he's covering it up"
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:19 AM (4GtoN)
FIFY
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at May 06, 2013 10:19 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at May 06, 2013 10:19 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:20 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 06, 2013 10:21 AM (52n2x)
Posted by: [/i][/b] at May 06, 2013 10:21 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: Ghost of 14 Yr Old Dead from Alcohol Poisoning at May 06, 2013 10:21 AM (vJ+mj)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at May 06, 2013 10:21 AM (epxV4)
33 why the fuck was the SpecOps guy painting mortar positions with a laser?
easy, racism
next question
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:21 AM (4GtoN)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:21 AM (9XBK2)
This is the smoking gun' confirming that Obama left 30+ diplomats to die, no?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 10:22 AM (tWpAF)
Posted by: Dickless Guy at May 06, 2013 10:23 AM (vJ+mj)
Vile, vomitous, poisonous, asinine ...
If there were any kind of cosmic justice in the universe the writer would have choked on his next breath.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 06, 2013 10:23 AM (Yr6sH)
Rice? Clinton? Royally fucked 5 ways from 9/11.
Posted by: Fritz at May 06, 2013 10:23 AM (G9Mmf)
I would like Gen Ham and Petraeus to say fuck it, and lay it all out there in public testimony
enough
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 10:23 AM (nH8jP)
>>>We told you so. You fucking retards.
They don't trust or read anything coming from what they deem to be our "side". If they hear of it, its only in the context of rebuttal or criticism.
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 10:23 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:23 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 06, 2013 10:24 AM (ltIcm)
Hahahahahahaha. WOW.
Posted by: Heralder at May 06, 2013 10:24 AM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Jack at May 06, 2013 10:25 AM (Zv1QB)
So the fact that all Their watched media sources decided to cover for Team Obama re Benghazi and Fast and Furious means because dead people coming from Team Obama's administration means something...
right wingerz.
I guess the fact that there was an Actual DEAL between media and Team Obama to shut up any facts from either Benghazi, or Fast and Furious among many other things THEY have not been told by Their Obama Media. Hey you .
check out JournOlisters, They meant to keep you in the dark and Dumb.
how does it feel to know?
not right wingerz,
JournOlisters!
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:25 AM (nqBYe)
They panicked. They stood dithering. Ultimately, they did nothing.
Remember how the Left castigated GW Bush for stating that he was the decider? Yeah, me too; seems 'the dumbest man to occupy teh oval office' actually understood what the job entailed.
The smartest man? Not so much.*
*Nor, it seems, the smartest woman in America.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 06, 2013 10:25 AM (hLRSq)
Maybe he wants to rethink that, but I can understand why he wouldn't. We haven't gotten a lot of details out of this.
Posted by: Jack at May 06, 2013 02:25 PM (Zv1QB)
Wasn't ace....it was Drew.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 06, 2013 10:26 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Werd M at May 06, 2013 10:26 AM (51moJ)
50 long reason short
when you paint a target, there is an asset there already and you have comms with the operator
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:26 AM (4GtoN)
Clinton and Obama failed to respond accordingly. Then they lied.
The media happily gilded Hilary's lily.
Posted by: 13times at May 06, 2013 10:26 AM (fGPLK)
Posted by: jewells45 at May 06, 2013 10:26 AM (l/N7H)
___________________________________________________________
The media are advocates primarily for ruining America as we know it and everything they say and do is designed to eventually arrive at this goal.
Posted by: Jim at May 06, 2013 10:27 AM (rLWJ8)
Posted by: Heralder at May 06, 2013 10:27 AM (+xmn4)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:27 AM (9XBK2)
Remember, this is the pussy who needed to sleep on it before deciding that bin Laden should be killed.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2013 10:27 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 10:27 AM (fwARV)
This is the smoking gun' confirming that Obama left 30+ diplomats to die, no?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 02:22 PM (tWpAF)
a lot of those people were not diplomats, but they were American citizens. This is horrendous.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 10:27 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:27 AM (da5Wo)
they did not panic
It was deliberate. If they committed assetts they would have to admit Al Qaeda was not on the run or dead and that terrorism is alive and well on the JEF's watch.
they decided to do nothing and hoped it would blow over. It was intentional
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 10:28 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 10:28 AM (tWpAF)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:28 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 02:27 PM (da5Wo)
Correct. To laze a target, you need someone, with whom you're in communication, overhead ready to make your target disappear.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 10:29 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Andy at May 06, 2013 10:29 AM (6o+Hq)
>>>They panicked. They stood dithering. Ultimately, they did nothing.
At least Teh Won weren't readin no Mah Pet Gowt, wingerz!
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 10:29 AM (3ZtZW)
The writer of one of the articles , Billy Birdzell, former Marine Infantry officer, makes the same mistake as all the other lefty talking points. And yes, unfortunately I think Birdzell is a lefty.
No one knew how long the battle would have gone on. It went on for seven hours. It could have lasted into the following day or it could have ended in 30 minutes. The people calling the shots did not know.
Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Col Nathan Jessup at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs to skip the beer and go straight to tequila at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: awkward davies at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (USjX1)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (4GtoN)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (mGBy8)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (deaac)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 06, 2013 10:30 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 02:27 PM (r7Ddb)
That was nothing. Ogabe got 300+ Mexicans killed with weapons he forced US gun dealers to sell to straw buyers. Sure glad he blames us for that too.
Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 06, 2013 10:31 AM (YYyqq)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 06, 2013 10:31 AM (deaac)
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hey ..... I gots mah EBIT Card, mah Obama Phone, mah Soshal Security, mah disability, mah unemployment, and mah section 8.
WUT CRISIS??????
Posted by: LIV at May 06, 2013 10:32 AM (nELVU)
Lets start with Hillary and Patrick Kennedy (since they were circumventing the State anti-terrorism team).
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 10:32 AM (tWpAF)
not because we Thought there was, because we were told by someone High up, it was well known, until they found Petraeus's mistress to threaten and shut everyone up.
we also knew targets were being painted by woods and doherty. but that also went bye bye,
because the administration And JournOlisters,
not right wingerz!
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:32 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 06, 2013 10:32 AM (fCw1i)
is it treason?
how is it in America's best interests to do nothing while a consulate burns and its personnel are murdered?
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 10:32 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Fritz at May 06, 2013 10:32 AM (G9Mmf)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 06, 2013 02:31 PM (deaac)
She'd kick the shit out of that limp wristed wuss in less than a minute
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 06, 2013 10:33 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: ABCNNBCMSNBCNYTLAT at May 06, 2013 10:33 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:33 AM (wR+pz)
So, what you're saying, if I understand correctly, was that there were assets in place that could have rendered assistance? But didn't. Which means that somewhere, someone specifically ordered that asset to stand down.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 02:27 PM (da5Wo)
if you read testimony there was a C- 130 that the Spec ops guys were forbidden to board to go help them, in TRIPOLI. So its possible there was a Spooky or more likely a Spectre up there agailable to produce a Heavy Rain that would have um... at least taken out the mortar. I have nightmares about those guys calling in the strike and begging the assets to take out the painted target since i have someone very close to me with those guys job description. It could have been my beloved friend on that roof, begging for help.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 10:33 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: Justin Beibernaise has fabulous cuffs at May 06, 2013 10:33 AM (GtPfa)
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 10:34 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Jack at May 06, 2013 10:34 AM (Zv1QB)
Posted by: The MSM, Vigilent Watchdogs of Democracy at May 06, 2013 10:34 AM (8ZskC)
Panetta: We Don't Need Congressional Authorization For War; We Only Need "International Permission"
1600 sortie, tacit approval of assassination by Hilary and aid to 'rebels" in the form of small arms, munitions, CIA trainers.
I think we stepped over the line long before the assault on Benghazi.
Posted by: 13times at May 06, 2013 10:34 AM (fGPLK)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:35 AM (9XBK2)
the saddest part?
if the JEF would have sent in assets asap and stomped terrorist ass it would have guaranteed his re-election
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:35 AM (4GtoN)
enough
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 02:23 PM (nH8jP)
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They certainly have nothing else to lose career-wise. I hope they eventually get called.
Another thing I'd like to have entered into this investigation are the voice and email communications by the WH during this period. All of them.
Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2013 10:35 AM (5VNMr)
If the three new witnesses donÂ’t get the attention they deserve, Fox News and its ilk deserves much of the blame.
Liberalism is a mental illness.
Posted by: toby928 at May 06, 2013 10:35 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 06, 2013 02:31 PM (deaac)
In the worst case, we are treated Reggie and Ogabe "mudding."
Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 06, 2013 10:35 AM (YYyqq)
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 02:34 PM (nH8jP)
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Kennedys
Your gonna hafta narrow that one down.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 06, 2013 10:36 AM (nELVU)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_F._Kennedy
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 10:36 AM (tWpAF)
Before 9/11/2012, Obama thought 'Benghazi' was the last name of a fundraising bundler who lived in Las Vegas.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 06, 2013 10:36 AM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 02:29 PM (fwARV)
Mother. Fucker.
Someone needs to swing for this.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 02:30 PM (da5Wo)
I wish there was a recording of Ty Woods begging for help. THAT would touch the LIVs
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 10:36 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 02:34 PM (nH8jP)
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Kennedys
Your gonna hafta narrow that one down.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 06, 2013 02:36 PM (nELVU)
Ummm...the fat one?
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: zsasz at May 06, 2013 10:36 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (1Jaio)
Or died of asphyxiation / smoke inhalation whilst holed up in a panic room/outbuilding. Then raped.
Posted by: 13times at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (fGPLK)
Someone needs to swing for this.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 02:30 PM (da5Wo)
This. There are quite a few things this Administration's done that I'm not pleased with. There are innumerable policy differences and things I think Obama's done poorly. None of them generate the pure white-hot rage that Benghazi and its aftermath have.
We believe - as an article of faith - that none of us will be left behind. Hell, when Durant was captured during Gothic Serpent, we had 60s flying all over town, calling his name on their loudspeakers, telling him we were coming.
That belief allows you to throw yourself into the fight completely. Without it, you'd hesitate. You'd worry about your family never knowing what happened. Because 'no man left behind' isn't some fancy saying, but an actual credo, we can fight the way we need to fight to win. It keeps casualties lower. Hesitation gets men killed.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (fwARV)
Your gonna hafta narrow that one down.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 06, 2013 02:36 PM (nELVU)
Ummm...the fat one?
Keep going...
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (C3KwS)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (0cUd9)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:37 AM (da5Wo)
And does this feel a little bit like the ending in 'Clear and Present Danger'?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 06, 2013 10:38 AM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: toby928 adjusts his tinfoil hat at May 06, 2013 10:38 AM (evdj2)
>>>I wish there was a recording of Ty Woods begging for help. THAT would touch the LIVs
I bet you there is, somewhere. You won't ever hear it. No one will ever again.
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 10:38 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Methos thinks "Obama lied" is the safest bet at May 06, 2013 10:38 AM (hO9ad)
>>>Actually, he was hideously abused, ass raped and then killed.
"They were rushing him to a local hospital!"
Posted by: Actual Clinton Quote - really. at May 06, 2013 10:38 AM (TyW3A)
stephens, woods, smith ,doherty died. Doherty and Woods left their cia quarters in ???? and commandered a plane after they and any assets were told to stand down..(some 20 something were saved...) by doherty and woods kicking those orders to the side after the pleas for help from Smith and others...
suck it creeps , you denied them help.
The WH watched we also were told this in real time..
memory holed along with everything!
not right wingerz fault They didn't have their back lefties.. Obamas administrations fault.
and Medias fault for keeping you in the dark.
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:38 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 06, 2013 02:30 PM (YmPwQ)
No, he's still arguing with people about this.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 06, 2013 10:39 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:39 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Jack at May 06, 2013 10:39 AM (Zv1QB)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 10:39 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 06, 2013 10:40 AM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 10:40 AM (0cUd9)
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 02:36 PM (r7Ddb)
There is a recording. Everything you say into a throat mic or into a comm system is recorded. After Action Reports usually use those recordings to verify what happened, or clear up the details. Remembering details isn't always on the top of your 'shit-to-do' list when you're in the fight, so it helps to go through the tapes when you get home.
Someone has a tape.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 10:40 AM (fwARV)
seriously, I always knew this but I feel sick. Sick because if this is testified to, on the record, in public, and nothing happens...
what if the LIV hears this finally, and still does not care because free shit.....
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 10:40 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:40 AM (wR+pz)
If they had a Spooky there and did not use it that should be a court marshaling offense, unless the WH told them not to.
War Pron from the guys that had to stand down.
http://tinyurl.com/8u8vb3a
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 02:37 PM (wR+pz)
there was. and i think it is too. only one person could give the No Go order. Sigh you have no idea how personal this is to me.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 10:40 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 10:41 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 06, 2013 10:41 AM (3cbGC)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 06, 2013 10:41 AM (1Jaio)
>>>Doherty and Woods left their cia quarters in ???? and commandered a plane
BTW, who was the pilot? This is the guy/gal who med evaced the personnel they managed to get out, probably.
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 10:42 AM (3ZtZW)
Someone has a tape.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 02:40 PM (fwARV)
i know. there are likely several. what makes me sick is wondering if they are all destroyed or not.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 10:42 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: Frito Plover, Esq. at May 06, 2013 10:43 AM (UsR5V)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 02:40 PM (0cUd9)
i agree with this.
and roll out the tactics /threats to shut everyone up.
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:43 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:43 AM (9XBK2)
-Sharyl Attkisson
-Stephen Hayes
-Catherine Herridge
That sweet, sweet woman who survived cancer at Fox, (DAMNIT! Forgot her name!)
...and Ace with that Twitter tirade.
APPLESAUCE FOR ALL OF YOU!
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 06, 2013 10:43 AM (7gwGw)
Actually, he was hideously abused, ass raped and then killed.
Another lie perpetrated by you bitter clinging wingers! Everyone knows that Ambassador Stevens was immediately carried gently to the nearest Benghazi E.R. by our friends there. Unfortunately, they don't have Health Care Reform in Libya, so he sadly passed away.
Posted by: Marv Cloggenstein at May 06, 2013 10:43 AM (MZrpY)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:43 AM (wR+pz)
the saddest part?
if the JEF would have sent in assets asap and stomped terrorist ass it would have guaranteed his re-election
Egg-fucking-zactly. I said this at the time. Even if it got really messy, and all the same people (or even more) died, just by being President 'Gutsy-Call' again, the media would have creamed themselves while showering him with accolades.
It was obviously the right thing to do, but it was the right thing to do politically, which is the only fucking thing that mattered to him.
But he's a fucking retard in almost every imaginable way, so he didn't even realize that.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 06, 2013 10:43 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: ejo at May 06, 2013 10:44 AM (GXvSO)
Yes, but only one of them felt comfortable enough to go to bed before it was over. After denying them assistance. Did he just expect them to die quickly already because HE had already written them off?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 10:44 AM (tWpAF)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 02:43 PM (9XBK2)
We know Stevens was alive, raped, tortured and executed.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 10:44 AM (fwARV)
>>>Yep, 4 people were murdered but it's just us bigots stirring up trouble for Prezzy Perfect
To be fair, Crosby Stills and Nash can't rhyme anything with Benghazi
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 10:45 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 06, 2013 02:38 PM (EGPJQ)
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That was exactly my thought when the story started to unfold last year.
Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2013 10:45 AM (5VNMr)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 06, 2013 10:45 AM (mGBy8)
Drop his bomb at the Ace of Spades nation state and then run across the border to Pakistan, er Twitter.
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 02:41 PM (r2PLg)
Like I said yesterday, he wants to limit rebuttal to 140 characters or less.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 06, 2013 10:45 AM (X6akg)
Just about every person familiar with security in that region knew that Hillary and Obama were lying and that Rice perpetuated their lies.
In fact I would say the reaction was dumbfounded.
We had military in the region and we had options, many options. What we lacked was leadership to make the calls because they were too engaged in ass-covering and politics. As a result people died.
Here's a question; how long would it take the closest pair of fighters to do a flyover? Answer; not long at all. But nobody made the call.
What is the common, despicable thread (once again)? A media that has their collective head up Obama's and Hillary's asses.
I am so sick of these pretend journalists who destroy our country with every line they write. They are part of the praetorian guard, nothing else.
Fuck them, those pieces of shit.
Posted by: Marcus at May 06, 2013 10:45 AM (GGCsk)
-Sharyl Attkisson
-Stephen Hayes
-Catherine Herridge
That sweet, sweet woman who survived cancer at Fox, (DAMNIT! Forgot her name!)
Jennifer Griffin (?)
...and Ace with that Twitter tirade.
APPLESAUCE FOR ALL OF YOU!
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 06, 2013 02:43 PM (7gwGw)
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 06, 2013 10:46 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 06, 2013 10:46 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Buzzion at May 06, 2013 10:46 AM (JEP1p)
Posted by: DrewM at May 06, 2013 10:46 AM (AErUg)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 06, 2013 02:41 PM (1Jaio)
CBS needs to be supported for reporting this. Without CBS backing up the real narrative, Benghazi didn't happen. If it's only the blogs and FOX, Hillary and Obama are heroes and the only reason many more weren't killed.
Posted by: jwest at May 06, 2013 10:47 AM (u2a4R)
>>>How many layers in our military, from Dempsey on down, not only swallowed this mouthful but patted their bellies and asked for more? We may have great soldiers but we couldn't have a worse general class.
dingdingding Oathkeepers my ass
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 10:47 AM (3ZtZW)
168 "No one knew how long the battle would have gone on. ..The people calling the shots did not know."
my dad taught us kids that means THEN HURRY THE FUCK UP!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:47 AM (4GtoN)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:47 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 06, 2013 10:47 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 10:47 AM (VtjlW)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_F._Kennedy
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 02:36 PM (tWpAF)
Same thing.
Posted by: gracepmc at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (rznx3)
APPLESAUCE FOR ALL OF YOU!
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 06, 2013 02:43 PM (7gwGw)
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 06, 2013 02:46 PM (Cnqm
is ace on the tirade now?
if so may i have the twitter link?
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: ejo at May 06, 2013 02:44 PM (GXvSO)
The generals have become a political class by design of the socialist state! What good is a military if you can't use them to increase your power?
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: rockmom at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: MSM at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (Zv1QB)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (YYyqq)
Thanks, went over there. They don't even carry 5.7x28. I am starting to think the round is going to be the last made after the drought.
Looks like TargetSportsUSA has them for slightly more. $35/box of fifty. Federal American Eagle brand.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (GQ8sn)
there was a time when a General officer would quit in protest and talk about why
where have they gone
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 10:48 AM (nH8jP)
they act like Republicans are in control of the news
that we have Any say what's reported on and Who investigates what they see and know
idiots.
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:49 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:49 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 10:49 AM (r2PLg)
I think Petraeus already got his for choosing the scapegoat poorly, and he can't "whistle" anything without admitting that. Which he can't/won't/etc. Because that's the thread.
Posted by: oblig. at May 06, 2013 10:49 AM (cePv8)
pant, pant, pant, pant. pant
and further more you Republicans lie so no one will believe anything you say even if it is true because, because, because you're Republicans and not democrats
gasp, wheeze, pant, pant, pant.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at May 06, 2013 10:49 AM (04pCi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:50 AM (da5Wo)
33 I ask again
He was trying to blind them with science.
Actually, he was baffling them with Bull-sh!t.
Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at May 06, 2013 10:50 AM (Wy05x)
Yea they do. I posted a link right to the their 5.7x28mm page down thread from you yesterday but you might have left. It was there for an hour or two but the word got out elsewhere, which is how I even knew about it.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 06, 2013 10:50 AM (4Mv1T)
The other thing is how the hell they intimidated so many people into remaining silent. Yeah, people like their jobs. So what? I never had a job I wouldn't shit can in a heartbeat if someone was trying to cover up leaving a bunch of my coworkers to bleed out. They must have threatened some of these people with criminal or treason charges.
Posted by: TOTUS at May 06, 2013 10:51 AM (qYvEa)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:51 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: zsasz at May 06, 2013 10:51 AM (MMC8r)
If I worked for State, I would now consider that this administration considers my life forfeit for its own political ends. To put it mildly, that is not good.
I also wonder if the reason why people didn't make the comments by name before the election is the supposition that Romney would win and thus the proper balance would be restored. Why risk a career if the concern will be short lived?
Both of the above are utter WAGs, of course, but I am stunned not only that people are willing to go on record but how high up the chain those people are.
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 02:47 PM (VtjlW)
also the loss of trust of American's citizens for those we have always held in extremely high esteem!
we've always had their backs and then this!
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:51 AM (nqBYe)
This is a HUGE indictment of the Generals in the Pentagon.
ALL of this info was out there, and the Generals when asked said nothing.
We have politicized the Military... made it into a social experiment... and are now seeing the fruits of that effort....
The Generals no longer seem to understand they work for US.... and the Constitution... not just the President.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 06, 2013 10:51 AM (lZBBB)
there was. and i think it is too. only one person could give the No Go order. Sigh you have no idea how personal this is to me.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 02:40 PM (r7Ddb)
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Don't say that gushka. Don't sound like the commenter that shall not be named. There's a whole lot of us that are taking this personally, and know EXACTLY how you feel.
Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (5VNMr)
#188 I think it is a little more prosaic than that. Amb. Hicks was questioned directly under oath by Congressional investigators. It isn't a good career move to lie to Congressional investigators, especially for a Secretary of State who is now gone and a President who is a ball-less lame duck. He's a career Foreign Service officer and they generally call 'em as they see 'em.
Anyone else want to argue now that it really didn't matter if the Republicans held on to control of the House? Or that it wouldn't be even better to have had control of the Senate and two separate hearings at which Amb. Hicks would appear?
Posted by: rockmom at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 02:47 PM (VtjlW)
I'm actually not surprise, atc. We all come home. Under any possible conditions. The end. Period.
The trust instilled in us by the chain of command, the government and the people of the United States that we WILL all come home lets us cross one item off of the 'shit to worry about' list. On the pointy end, everything you don't have to worry about is valuable.
My job (CSAR) only exists because of the will of the American people to bring everyone home.
Shake that trust, and quite a few attached things (moral, combat effectiveness, et al.) take a huge hit.
The people going on-record know that, they believe it, and they'd die for it. Dinglefuck doesn't and wouldn't. He simply has to be stopped, even at the cost of their careers.
Brave men. Honorable men.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (fwARV)
well kids, got to go feed the spider-clowns their breakfast of raptors
don't mess up the place too bad
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (4GtoN)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (Y8t25)
Posted by: New MSM narrative at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (Zv1QB)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (52n2x)
Posted by: zsasz at May 06, 2013 02:51 PM (MMC8r)
I think only multiple oaken stakes through her heart (if it can be found) and a garlic tiara could finish off Hillary.
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 06, 2013 10:52 AM (Cnqmv)
is ace on the tirade now?
if so may i have the twitter link?
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 02:48 PM (nqBYe)
--No. That was three days ago. I have the recap from Twitchy:
http://tinyurl.com/borrxw6
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 06, 2013 10:53 AM (7gwGw)
Outing CIA analyst/desk jockey Valerie Plame = the highest, most treasonous offense
Leaving Ambassador an consulate employees unprotected, and then abandoning them when under attack = Republic smear campaign *yawn*
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 10:53 AM (tWpAF)
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:53 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 06, 2013 10:53 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 06, 2013 10:53 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Fritz at May 06, 2013 10:54 AM (G9Mmf)
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 02:53 PM (nqBYe)
I told my stepson he'd be safer in the worst shithole in Afghanistan than he would pulling guard duty at an embassy.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 10:54 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 06, 2013 10:55 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 06, 2013 10:55 AM (wR+pz)
>>>>This is a HUGE indictment of the Generals in the Pentagon.
Hmm. Is there any sort of frisson between field and staff, political and operational, going on? Will this become bigger now?
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 10:55 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 06, 2013 10:55 AM (52n2x)
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 10:55 AM (nqBYe)
Difference then and now being: Ace removed the gloves and went full-on bare knuckle... but Drew... was nowhere to be found.
Posted by: 13times at May 06, 2013 10:55 AM (fGPLK)
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 10:55 AM (GQ8sn)
Benghazi was an impromptu uprising due to an intolerant you tube video that denigrated Islam.
Barackus Obambam
So it is written, so it shall be.
the Obambam Media Machine
Posted by: randomized lurker at May 06, 2013 10:56 AM (AnfcZ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 10:56 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 10:56 AM (9XBK2)
Well, in Afghanistan, he'll be expecting it at least.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 10:56 AM (GQ8sn)
A tomahawk every 30 minutes or so extends your effective response window indefinitely.
They're good for 500mph or so, and the 109's can be fitted with cluster bomb dispenser.
One could have been onsite orbiting and ready as the situation was developing even before the perimeter breach. An hour at most.
Even if you waited until the breach to launch and didn't have a submunition model in stock, a big splody one off to the side or in the courtyard would have cleared the joint for a while.
We fucked up. We fucked up real bad.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 10:56 AM (/gHaE)
Petraeus did flack for the video
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 02:55 PM
He turned himself into a tool with that affair. He was compromised, so to speak.
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 06, 2013 10:57 AM (7gwGw)
Sounds like he might be headed to Korea.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 10:57 AM (GQ8sn)
#207 Come on, it was HIGHLY important for Obama to be able to campaign as the President Who Kept Us Safe, with no attacks by al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden dead. This attack in Benghazi, ESPECIALLY because it was on 9/11, would have put Obama on the defensive for the rest of the campaign if the truth had been told or reported by the press.
Something else nobody wants to talk about is that there are a TON of Muslims now living and voting in Northern Virginia. The attack on the YouTube video and the arrest of the filmmaker were a direct appeal to them to vote for Obama. There was an unprecedented 80% voter turnout in Fairfax County in 2012, and that is where most of the Muslims live.
Posted by: rockmom at May 06, 2013 10:57 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 06, 2013 10:57 AM (52n2x)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 10:58 AM (r2PLg)
4 I would like to think in my mind that a general officer would have sent help anyway and face the fire later
Gotta remember that Generals, especially at the 3 and 4 star, are picked by congress so they are in large part a reflection of the congress we have and so if we're looking for cojones to the right thing, well...
Posted by: fastfreefall at May 06, 2013 10:58 AM (MPEti)
Posted by: Marv Cloggenstein at May 06, 2013 02:43 PM (MZrpY)
Marv????? Is this a relative of our usual Cloggenstein or did Mary have an operation?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 06, 2013 10:58 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 10:58 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Irom Man at May 06, 2013 10:59 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)
Gordon and Shugart felt the same way in Somolia. Unfortunately, Doherty and Woods will not be remembered properly.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 10:59 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 10:59 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 06, 2013 11:00 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Scottye_fl at May 06, 2013 11:00 AM (cfrRc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 06, 2013 11:00 AM (9Bj8R)
178 To be fair, Crosby Stills and Nash can't rhyme anything with Benghazi
"Took an arrow to the knee...
Four dead in Ben-gha-zi."
How's that?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 06, 2013 11:01 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 11:01 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: DrewM at May 06, 2013 02:46 PM (AErUg)<
On what basis do you make that claim? I only ask because it's one of the most idiotic, misinformed, fallacious statements I've ever heard.
Not only were there resources. There were multiple options available.
Posted by: Marcus at May 06, 2013 11:01 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Ellie Light at May 06, 2013 11:01 AM (vYB+W)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 06, 2013 11:02 AM (9Bj8R)
***
That's what is so alarming. Obama was OK with leaving 30+ people unprotected at the hands of terrorists. What kind of person, let alone president, can sleep on that? Wouldn't you expect Obama (and Hillary, too) screaming at the military something along the lines of "There are Americans under attack - Do Something Now!!"
It is just unfathomable.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 11:03 AM (tWpAF)
Hmm. Is there any sort of frisson between field and staff, political and operational, going on? Will this become bigger now?
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 02:55 PM (3ZtZW)
Theres always problems between Staff, and those who have to do the job... always has been, always will be...
Problem is that we have now had more than a generation of weeding out anyone who will buck the system... anyone who puts mission above Politics or optics... (started when I was Active... about the time Regean left Office)...
Now... its on Steriods... Gays are not just tolerated, but Celebrated... Women are going frontline (for no Military reason)... and the PC culture is all powerfull... because the Pentagon Guys have come up through that system....
Note... Patreus either did not know what he was talking about, or lied, to Congress. He was part of the system.... and he is supposed to be the BEST we now have???
/facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 06, 2013 11:03 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 06, 2013 03:01 PM (hLRSq)
Maybe
Ten jihadis and mortars flying
They're left to die on their own
Obama he heard them cryin'
4 dead in Benghazi
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 11:03 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 06, 2013 11:04 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:04 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 06, 2013 11:04 AM (9Bj8R)
Correct me if I'm wrong, willow, but I'm guessing verbs and punctuation were electives at your school.
Posted by: Aloha Akhbar @PirateBallerina at May 06, 2013 11:05 AM (/lWM8)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 03:03 PM (tWpAF)
Obama and Hillary? No.
Any other American? Yes. "I want shit exploding five minutes ago. I want 46s and 64s inbound. I want fighters stacked every 5k up to 30k."
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:05 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 11:05 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 11:05 AM (nuijB)
I told my stepson he'd be safer in the worst shithole in Afghanistan than he would pulling guard duty at an embassy.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 02:54 PM (GQ8sn)
true dat.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 11:05 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 06, 2013 11:06 AM (U2UQk)
NPD.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:06 AM (/gHaE)
There are Americans under attack - Do Something Now!!"
It is just unfathomable.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2013 03:03 PM (tWpAF)
Ah, but the second Attack was against a CIA outpost... not an embassy... and operational security is more important than Operators Lives... because 'what ' that CIA annex was doing is still a big question.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 06, 2013 11:06 AM (lZBBB)
"Woods and Dougherty were hung out to dry. "
The only realistically positive thing that can come out of opening this can of worms is that Woods and Doughery will get the posthumous recognition they deserve as a result of their heroic actions that day. Active duty or not, SEAL or CIA, they ran to the sound of the guns, poured it on the enemy in the face of unbelievable odds, and saved dozens of American lives. That is some fucking heroism about which, in a sane America, people would write songs, name schools, and christen ships.
But no. We get gay basketball players.
Posted by: Jaws at May 06, 2013 11:06 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 11:06 AM (3ZtZW)
The thing about stupid people is that they are unaware of their own stupidity.
As a matter of fact, stupid people usually think they are smarter than everyone else. But they are not, they are just stupid.
Posted by: Courtesy Flush at May 06, 2013 11:06 AM (8lB0x)
APPLESAUCE FOR ALL OF YOU!
Posted by: Slapweasel
And probably the least productive use of his time. 140 characters in reverse chrological format doesn't lend itself to essays.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 06, 2013 11:07 AM (Yr6sH)
Posted by: Jack at May 06, 2013 11:07 AM (Zv1QB)
As a matter of fact, stupid people usually think they are smarter than everyone else. But they are not, they are just stupid.
Shit.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs to skip the beer and go straight to tequila at May 06, 2013 11:08 AM (ZKzrr)
Part of me wonders if the vanity of the higher ranks and officials decided to in effect blow them off and punish them for not following orders.
And again the irony is--the timeline would have been longer not shorter if Woods and Doherty had "obeyed".
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 03:05 PM (r2PLg)
Yeah, they saw that Durant's bird was down and surrounded. They asked for permission three or four times, getting all the way up to flag-level before being allowed in. Read their MoH citations. It'll blow your mind.
Whenever I read something like that I'm torn between being angry that they were forced into that decision, heartbroken that they were killed and proud as hell that the USA still breeds men like them.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:08 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: [/i][/b] at May 06, 2013 11:08 AM (Vgn84)
That should bring every available resource to the table. And there were plenty.
You mean to tell me we had...nothing? No options?
Yet we are able to pull off these black ops in the ME, such as arming/supporting the Libyan "rebels"?
Bullshit. What we lacked were leaders to make the right call because of politics.
We had men standing by who wanted to go. They were failed by Obama and Clinton.
Posted by: Marcus at May 06, 2013 11:08 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 02:57 PM (GQ8sn)
Well even with all the bluster, that is all I really think it is. I suspect that is a relatively safe posting.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 06, 2013 03:00 PM (9Bj8R)
I think so too, except for all the Korean poon he'll be exposed to.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 11:09 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 06, 2013 11:09 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: BJ Clinton at May 06, 2013 11:09 AM (2iU3x)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 11:10 AM (nuijB)
"Seriously though, this guy was a SEAL. He knew his shit. What possible reason would he have to paint a target unless he thought a strike was coming in the very near future?"
SEALs can be very creative. Laser designators have been around for quite awhile and I believe there are devices available that will warn you if you are being "painted".
A pure ass guess on my part: He may have been trying to spook the hostiles.
Posted by: RayJ at May 06, 2013 11:10 AM (pI/IV)
Don't say that gushka. Don't sound like the commenter that shall not be named. There's a whole lot of us that are taking this personally, and know EXACTLY how you feel.
Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2013 02:52 PM (5VNMr)
indeed. but i DO cop to all my cats. only reason i say anything at all is i do get there are lots here who do know how i feel. and feel it themselves. and perhaps more, who are just lurking. Generally i dont play with daywalkers or read much of the day threads because i have a daylight dependent job, and i hate typing on my phone...but this issue is different. And its raining so i got the day off
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 11:10 AM (r7Ddb)
They knew it was a suicide mission and they still asked to go.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)
http://tinyurl.com/cwbguow
Posted by: Scottye_fl at May 06, 2013 03:00 PM (cfrRc)
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I ran into that yesterday after the thread died. Yup. Drew knows his sources.
Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2013 11:11 AM (5VNMr)
But if she could I'd hit it.
Posted by: Professor eleven E.P. (expert professor) at May 06, 2013 11:11 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 03:10 PM (GQ8sn)
They had to beg to be allowed to die saving Durant. I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.
The SEALs in Benghazi deserve to be remembered the same way.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:12 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: kawfytawk at May 06, 2013 11:12 AM (qdzWt)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 06, 2013 11:12 AM (/djtm)
Posted by: Jaws at May 06, 2013 11:12 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 03:10 PM (nuijB)
It doesn't seem to be sinking in but I'll try anyway: Pam Geller is not sleeping with you because you white knight for her all over the Internets. Give it up. She isn't.
Posted by: troyriser at May 06, 2013 11:13 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)
werent there four others that went with them? (at least that what i heard) hard to sift the good info from the bad, so i am honestly asking.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 11:13 AM (r7Ddb)
Aspirin Factory bombing?
Bribing Syrians to attach Israel full bore Tuesday night?
Mooch 'wardrobe malfunction'?
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at May 06, 2013 11:14 AM (YLZSZ)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 06, 2013 11:14 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 11:14 AM (qvify)
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:14 AM (/gHaE)
There's a certain type A personality that doesn't experience the same kind of fear or apprehension that most other people do, when confronted with life-threatening situations. These guy had it.
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 11:14 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at May 06, 2013 11:14 AM (HiKk0)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 11:15 AM (nuijB)
He tried. He was relieved within 30 seconds. The WH had his 2iC on speed dial, the ring-knocking POS.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 11:15 AM (qvify)
I'm ready to admit what really happened. Meet me at 11:30 PM in Fort Marcy Park. Come alone.
Hill
Posted by: Voice mail at CBS at May 06, 2013 11:15 AM (B/VB5)
Mooch 'wardrobe malfunction'?
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The horror...the horror...
Posted by: irright at May 06, 2013 11:16 AM (8GKDa)
But they wouldn't have gotten there in time!!??
HOW IN THE FUCK DID THEY KNOW HOW LONG THE ATTACK WOULD LAST???
Hillary Clinton should be fucking done on a national stage after this. DONE! That is "taking responsibility" you worthless lying fucking cunt.
Posted by: Prescient11 at May 06, 2013 11:16 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Jack at May 06, 2013 11:16 AM (Zv1QB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 06, 2013 11:16 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 03:14 PM (GQ8sn)
I'll go ahead and get this on the record: When I was over there and it got hairy, I was scared out of my fucking mind. Every time. I'll own that.
I served with a handful of people like Gordon and Shugart, and evey being next to them was unreal.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:17 AM (fwARV)
I would rather be sent to the Golan Heights in running shorts and shower shoes with a pugil stick.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 11:17 AM (qvify)
Lighten up Francis. And she still isn't going to sleep with you.
Posted by: Professor eleven E.P. (expert professor) at May 06, 2013 11:17 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 11:17 AM (da5Wo)
I really, really doubt it though. They'd have to convince the Iranian rat that it was a sinking ship.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 06, 2013 11:17 AM (B/VB5)
>>>How many lives was put in danger from the protests about the video?
I dunno about 'lives' but the Preezy was wistfully talking 'bout how the 1st A was just so In The Way, you know?
Posted by: Bigby's Happy-Clappy Hands at May 06, 2013 11:18 AM (3ZtZW)
Twitchy fodder.
Posted by: 13times
Or this new crazy thing the kids are all talking about; a blog.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 06, 2013 11:18 AM (Yr6sH)
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 11:18 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: Evil Bob's Left Testie at May 06, 2013 11:18 AM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: US Cavalry at May 06, 2013 11:18 AM (Zv1QB)
The left hates heroes.
they'd rather leave Americans to die, than to have a john wayne go in and help somebody.
that's the truth.
Posted by: ted at May 06, 2013 11:18 AM (iOLD+)
Posted by: [/i][/b] at May 06, 2013 11:19 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 11:19 AM (VHfsw)
Posted by: Hollywood Actors at May 06, 2013 11:20 AM (Zv1QB)
Drew should reconsider based on fresh evidence. The Deputy Station Chief prolly has more info on the matter than he does
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 11:20 AM (nH8jP)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 11:20 AM (r2PLg)
Jake Tapper talking about it now on CNN
the ice. its breaking"
Past a certain point, the "honest journalists" in the brothel parlor just can't play that piano loud enough to drown out the crying and cursing from upstairs.
But the cops ain't coming on this one. Not with Chief Boehner in charge of the House and Mayor Reid in the Senate.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 11:21 AM (qvify)
But did you see Michelle O's new bangs, presser at 5, panel of experts at 6.
This POS lying fucking garbage media.
Posted by: Prescient11 at May 06, 2013 11:21 AM (tVTLU)
Iserved with a handful ofpeople like Gordon and Shugart, and evey being next to themwas unreal.
It's like that Marine Corps commercial with the infantry squad leader pointing to the smoke on the horizon, telling everyone to move in that direction where the SHIT IS ABOUT TO GET REAL. Which way will you run?
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 11:22 AM (GQ8sn)
Ask the KoS weirdo.
The left dehumanized and vilified Haliburton, KBR and Blackwater and thus, any mention of these "murderous mercenaries", was a politically radioactive hot potato - few dared broach the subject.
Posted by: 13times at May 06, 2013 11:22 AM (fGPLK)
Hey DrewM. Do you think there could have been military resources available that could have reached in 12 hours if they started right when the battle began?
Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2013 11:23 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 03:22 PM (GQ8sn)
Into the fight. I just didn't come with the 'no fear' gene.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:23 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 11:23 AM (nuijB)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 11:23 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Harry's Shaved Cowboy Poetry Package at May 06, 2013 11:24 AM (bT79U)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 11:24 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 06, 2013 11:24 AM (ZshNr)
Drew's getting his bag smashed pretty hard over this. Nevermind that socking a commentor is a no-no, it's especially dickish given the topic.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:24 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 03:15 PM (qvify)
What was the name of that 2iC? He needs a good ol' comment beatdown.
Posted by: KG at May 06, 2013 11:25 AM (p7BzH)
Posted by: DCPensFan at May 06, 2013 11:25 AM (ma/2m)
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Then go somewhere where they act sufficiently serious for your tastes. You are in the wrong place.
Posted by: irright at May 06, 2013 11:25 AM (8GKDa)
Posted by: Professor eleven E.P. (expert professor) at May 06, 2013 11:25 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 03:23 PM (r2PLg)
Yup. The rest of us came home.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:25 AM (fwARV)
Low information voters didn't care then, they don't care now, and they won't care in Hillary! 2016.
Republicans need to find another castle to storm -- this one, unfortunately, is impervious.
Posted by: furious_a at May 06, 2013 11:26 AM (8lw4l)
Posted by: Actual Clinton Quote - really. at May 06, 2013 02:38 PM (TyW3A)
Achmed! Abdullah! The hot beef injection isn't working! Quick, help me drag him to the hospital!
Posted by: Aloha Akhbar @PirateBallerina at May 06, 2013 11:26 AM (/lWM8)
And I demand to know where Preezy McFuckwit was while our brave men were being murdered.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 06, 2013 11:26 AM (lVPtV)
That's silly. Nobody said anything nasty about Pam.
Lighten up Francis. And she still isn't going to sleep with you.
Posted by: Professor eleven E.P. (expert professor) at May 06, 2013 03:17 PM (KXm42)
what is your deal, it seems every post in reply has been an insult about her tits or some variation of sex with her, this is what passes for discourse, i'm discussing a serious subject, with serious consequences, You Guys.
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 03:23 PM (nuijB)
FIFY
Posted by: mugiwara at May 06, 2013 11:27 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 11:27 AM (R4WsQ)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 06, 2013 11:27 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 06, 2013 03:26 PM (lVPtV)
Sleeping.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:27 AM (fwARV)
Doherty "commandeered" a plane from Tripoli--and I would think others went with him.
Woods went over from the CIA Annex to the consulate. He must have had other CIA assets with him--don't know for sure.
I also think he rounded up Libyan assets to go over--I've read some 60, but that seems high and can't remember where I read that.
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 03:20 PM (r2PLg)
thanks that seems to square with what i heard/ read. i seem to remember the number 6 went 30+ were saved and that 8 were seriously wounded. But this is all conjecture on my part, that what we are allowed to see/hear may be utter BS or at least inaccurate.
this is why i ask the better informed/ more clued in. what i hear is what any spouse gets which is different. I try to pay attention to my own business and not stick my nose in where i might be happier not knowin. This is the first time i have been radically interested in what exactly happened. BTW told my guy, if you love me dont re-up. hes not. Lots of others in the business and not told him the same. You cant BELIEVE how many people are saying FUCK THIS, since this shit went down.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 11:27 AM (r7Ddb)
I demand an apology from Tits Gellar in regard to her defamation of Governor Perry being a jihadist sympathizer.
Serious you guys!!
Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2013 11:28 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 11:28 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:28 AM (bb5+k)
This is really like an Encyclopedia Brown riddle.
The "excuse" about not deploying help is that it would have gotten there too late anyway.
But, again, how in the fuck do you know that while our people are under fire?
Posted by: Prescient11 at May 06, 2013 11:29 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Professor_Chaos at May 06, 2013 11:29 AM (0bnLA)
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Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 11:29 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 03:15 PM (nuijB)
You've never read this site before , have you?
Posted by: Methos at May 06, 2013 11:29 AM (hO9ad)
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 06, 2013 11:30 AM (rNIsB)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 11:30 AM (R4WsQ)
The fact that not just any troops but specially trained anti-terrorist troops were available 2 hours from Benghazi isn't news. It's been known since last October.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 06, 2013 03:27 PM (g1DWB)
i thought that was some of the (perhaps not so sound) reasoning behind being ok with less security on the ground, that they could just fly whatever was needed in on a moments notice.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 11:30 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: irright at May 06, 2013 11:31 AM (8GKDa)
i'm discussing a serious subject, with serious consequences
I don't believe anyone who can't operate a shift key.
Posted by: toby928 adjusts his tinfoil hat at May 06, 2013 11:31 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 06, 2013 03:27 PM (g1DWB)
Thanks for that info. Seriously good to know.
I was trying to point out again, even without that info, that the argument that military resources would not have been available is a strawman because we did not know how long the hostilities / battle would last.
Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2013 11:31 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: The MSM at May 06, 2013 11:32 AM (Zv1QB)
Do you engineer your consulates with security as the foremost concern?
Do you reduce security assets after a number of attacks on Western missions and NGOs?
Do you further reduce security assets despite the protest of the consular staff and security personnel?
After reading a declaration of an attack in said country on your assets, do you do nothing in preparation?
After an attack has been launched at your consulate, do you order regional SSTs and other armed forces to stand down?
Do you go to bed knowing that several dozen US officials and staff members are under attack?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 06, 2013 11:32 AM (Yr6sH)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 06, 2013 11:32 AM (mGBy8)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs to skip the beer and go straight to tequila at May 06, 2013 11:33 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:33 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 11:33 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 03:28 PM (da5Wo)
I don't mean to sell it short. I'm not an arrogant person, but I AM arrogant about what I did over there. I showed up as a 22 year-old kid, learned how to jump out of helicopters and got some guys home who may not otherwise have gotten there. The military turned a decent kid into a good man.
I do think, though, that there is a gaping chasm of difference between the ones who felt no fear (Gordon/Shugart/Doherty/Woods) and me. That's the only point I was trying to make.
We all like to THINK we'd take a bullet for our buddies. Few of us are even placed in a situation where we could find out. Even fewer follow through.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 06, 2013 11:33 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 11:34 AM (nuijB)
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 06, 2013 11:34 AM (Zv1QB)
At the very least you want to secure the area SOON after the fact so ummm... reporters aren't walking around picking up classified documents laying on the ground WEEKS LATER.
Doh.
360 degree clusteruck from the start, and weeks after.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:34 AM (/gHaE)
If the three new witnesses donÂ’t get the attention they deserve, Fox News and its ilk deserves much of the blame.
This is how they always do it. "We didn't cover _______ because, look, look at those people promoting the story."
There is one sure way to avoid that, cover the damn news they way your supposed to.
Posted by: CJ at May 06, 2013 11:34 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 03:15 PM (qvify)
Is that little detail in the timelines? Your comment reminds that I heard something like that which was later presented as a desire to spend more time with family early retirement (presumably with full pay)/
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 06, 2013 11:35 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 06, 2013 11:35 AM (Zv1QB)
Posted by: Aloha Akhbar @PirateBallerina at May 06, 2013 03:05 PM (/lWM
I believe there are commentors on this site that can direct you to a program that blocks commentors that bother you for whatever reason.
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 11:36 AM (nqBYe)
Even "unarmed" drones are weapons when you crash'em into shit.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:36 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: irright at May 06, 2013 11:36 AM (8GKDa)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 03:15 PM (qvify)
What was the name of that 2iC? He needs a good ol' comment beatdown."
General David Rodriguez. Obama later confirmed him in Ham's job.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 06, 2013 11:37 AM (qvify)
Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2013 11:37 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 11:37 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:37 AM (bb5+k)
If the three new witnesses don�t get the attention they deserve, Fox News and its ilk deserves much of the blame.
This is how they always do it. "We didn't cover _______ because, look, look at those people promoting the story."
There is one sure way to avoid that, cover the damn news they way your supposed to. Posted by: CJ at May 06, 2013 03:34 PM
^THIS^
We didn't look at it, damn-well ignored it because ...FAUX NOOOOOZZ!!!111
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 06, 2013 11:38 AM (7gwGw)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 06, 2013 11:39 AM (a6ylB)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 06, 2013 11:39 AM (/djtm)
Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 03:33 PM (9XBK2)
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Agree. Pam is one of the few outside of the CIA and FBI that has a true handle on jihadi/muzzie activities. And her tits are magnificent.
Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2013 11:40 AM (5VNMr)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:40 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 11:40 AM (qyfb5)
This cannot be tolerated.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at May 06, 2013 11:40 AM (jCQ+I)
What orders could Bush have given that would have changed the outcome?
Be specific. I'm willing to listen.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:41 AM (/gHaE)
I have forgotten was there a reason given why Mursi' people that came to collect Stephens for ? before the attack?
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 11:41 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 11:42 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:42 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: irright at May 06, 2013 11:43 AM (8GKDa)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2013 02:27 PM (8ZskC)
Why did obama have to be brought in off the golf course? I believe he didn't even make the call. I think the Sec of Def made the call and obama was playing it low in case it went bad so he could pass the blame. From the mission room photos, it's hard to tell who looked more surprised at the development of the mission, obama or osama.
Posted by: Havedash at May 06, 2013 11:43 AM (F0WNa)
The guy flying the drone can fly it anywhere he wants to. You don't need that kinda capability to drive it into shit.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:43 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 11:44 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 11:44 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 11:45 AM (XwRIg)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 03:42 PM (bb5+k)
I haven't forgotten right after the election, DrewM came in here and demanded specific commenters take responsibility for Obama winning because they backed Romney. It was particularly unhinged and douche-worthy, so yeah, for what it's worth.
Posted by: Heralder at May 06, 2013 11:45 AM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 11:46 AM (qyfb5)
Dead men tell no tales.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 11:47 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Dang at May 06, 2013 11:47 AM (R18D0)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 11:48 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:49 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 11:49 AM (qyfb5)
but that's it?
Do we know there was an actual meeting between stephens and mursi?
has that been varified?
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 11:52 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 06, 2013 11:52 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:53 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Cheri at May 06, 2013 11:53 AM (G+Wff)
also the commentors don't stop commenting when i have to answer the phone or anything, I hate that!
despicable!
and nice to see you here during the day.
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 11:53 AM (nqBYe)
Obama was looking forward to his golf junket to Las Vegas with boy toy, Reggie--without Mooch and the Spawnettes.
My guess with regards to Hillary is that per usual, she was falling down drunk. During her last months as SoS, she was determined to swill down all the high dollar wine and booze that came her way. Her fall that required hospitalization was a "two-fer"--get her dried out a bit before her Congressional testimony and through the DTs and get her concussion treated. The press desperately reported it as being life threatening, but, that was hogwash since neither Chelsea nor BJ bothered to visit.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 06, 2013 11:54 AM (kXoT0)
Go figure.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 06, 2013 03:52 PM (g1DWB)
right i've also read those. I do wish we could get all this verified.
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 11:54 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:57 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 11:59 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 06, 2013 11:59 AM (/djtm)
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 03:36 PM (nqBYe)
Well, isn't somebody just a wee bit sensitive.
Seriously, tho, I'm guessing you're commenting from a mobile. Having tried that myself a few times, I can attest to the difficulty in coaxing anything coherent out of one. Please tell me that's the reason for your (sometimes) unintelligible comments. Lie if necessary.
Posted by: Aloha Akhbar @PirateBallerina at May 06, 2013 11:59 AM (/lWM8)
Dr appt this morning in annoying part of town. Normally I don't get up in this strange half-life other people call "morning."Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 12:01 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 12:03 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 06, 2013 12:04 PM (/djtm)
Posted by: Hill-ray at May 06, 2013 12:05 PM (8Bqco)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 12:06 PM (bb5+k)
And if they want to stay not-dead, they'll keep their mouths shut.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 12:07 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 12:07 PM (bb5+k)
Golfman in NC
Thank you I will go attempt to retrieve the information.
Merovign, I hope the appt went well and solutions found?
Posted by: willow at May 06, 2013 12:07 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Bob Scheister at May 06, 2013 12:08 PM (/djtm)
Posted by: JQP at May 06, 2013 12:08 PM (GVL0g)
Posted by: JQP at May 06, 2013 12:10 PM (GVL0g)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 06, 2013 12:11 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 06, 2013 12:12 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Syria's Red Line at May 06, 2013 12:17 PM (71LDo)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 06, 2013 12:23 PM (UU0OF)
It's tough reading all over the place that, despite saying "what difference does it make?" the person who said this "will be president". Are her supporters that deaf dumb and blind?
Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 12:26 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Sarcastic and Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 06, 2013 12:34 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 06, 2013 12:36 PM (UU0OF)
And if they want to stay not-dead, they'll keep their mouths shut.
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 06, 2013 04:07 PM (/gHaE)
THIS.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 12:40 PM (r7Ddb)
Instead, the administration cobbles up a who-shot-John story about a YouTube video and hustle the maker into prison.
And why? To help the president avoid criticism. To help him win re-election.
This is so horribly wrong, I don't even know where to begin.
Posted by: Brown Line at May 06, 2013 12:49 PM (BBndf)
Thanks for posting this, Ace.
It's a welcome rebuttal to what DrewM posted on Saturday...which basically said that we are crazy to say that it was possible to send a rescue to Benghazi.
Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2013 12:54 PM (Tjo5u)
Posted by: RM at May 06, 2013 01:03 PM (/Frlf)
Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 01:15 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 05:15 PM (/b8+5)
what did he say? i avoid hearing Hannity's voice. it makes my teeth grind
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 01:17 PM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: Beagle at May 06, 2013 01:27 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 06, 2013 04:36 PM (UU0OF)
sssh! They do not want to upset people with the truth! He was only missing ten hours or so! "What does it matter now?"
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at May 06, 2013 01:50 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 05:17 PM (r7Ddb)
Well, he basically said his call screeners said the guy was one of two people manning the drone above the embassy that night. He said he was the camera guy and the other guy was the pilot. But everyone in the car began whining about "come on do you believe this guy would call hannity and not congress" and so I missed a lot of it which is why I asked if anyone else heard it.
The thing that freaked me out is that no one, no one has asked to talk to the guy.
I hope hannity revisits this.
Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 01:52 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Buzzion at May 06, 2013 01:57 PM (/TqqT)
Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 05:52 PM (/b8+5)
calling in from a pay phone not a cell or using a computer to get the story out might be the safest way, actually. Its not a safe thing to do, but if done from a pay phone not in your home vicinity it might be *harder* to prove who it was. you know pay phone were good for stuff like this. Cell phones, are not so much.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 02:00 PM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: Buzzion at May 06, 2013 05:57 PM (/TqqT)
damn did it get a new hash? hate to be taken in like that!
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 06, 2013 02:01 PM (r7Ddb)
He was then directed to look at the CIA annex and watch who was going in or out (arms anyone?). He said they were not armed, that the SOFA (status of forces agreement) would not allow them to be armed. He said anyone seeing the tape would know immediately is was an organized coordinated terrorist attack. He believed the tapes must still exist, and he has never been interviewed by anyone.
Hannity did not do the greatest job interviewing him. He seemed to think Wood and Doherty were on the roof of the embassy, not the annex and failed to ask about what he did see at the annex
Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 02:20 PM (nH8jP)
Posted by: qixlqatl at May 06, 2013 02:21 PM (0HWps)
There is audio here.
Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 02:22 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Caustic at May 06, 2013 02:26 PM (/b8+5)
There were drones? Airborne? In the vicinty? Oh, but they weren't those deadly drones from PockEEEstoned were they?
Anybody know what SIZE "force" a LtCol commands as a team in SOCOM?
Anybody have any idea at all HOW MANY gunships accompany a C-130 on landing?
But, there just wasn't any military response available. no siree bob.
I'm going to speak ill of the dead now: That Ambassador was probably neck deep in whatever he was doing for obowmao. He was probably almost as guilty as the bastard that 'let' a drone land safely in iran. BUT! He should not have been forcibly removed from USA property by armed gunmen. He should not have been mutilated and murdered. L'il barry and hillary have a sea of blood on their hands.
Posted by: Blacksmith8 at May 06, 2013 02:49 PM (Yzu6e)
First time posting here:
I've often wondered why the Whitehouse was so quick to acknowledge that the President went to bed while the attack was ongoing. This was a terrible political risk. Of course, the media did not have much interest in pursuing this angle, but that is another topic.
But maybe, just maybe, the President did not sleep through the attack.
Maybe the order to stand down came from the President.
Something to think about...
Posted by: PayneIsReal at May 06, 2013 02:57 PM (OOuKM)
Posted by: DrDrill at May 06, 2013 03:59 PM (oXaYe)
Think harder.
/do not care if it was a bad sock
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 06, 2013 05:22 PM (JtyGg)
Ooooooh, the idea of Rodham "going down" oooooooooooooooooooooooooh ick.
Where is Monica when Rodham needs her ?
Posted by: Omar the Camel Jockey at May 06, 2013 06:32 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Rick Perry/Geller/ace at May 06, 2013 03:15 PM (nuijB)
'Stay classy'? That's rich coming from someone who likened Ace--and by extension all of us--to David Irving sympathizers. And yes, you're a supercilious little prude, as well as a lot of other not very nice things. I'm glad we made you uncomfortable. I hope to do it again whenever I encounter you as you hop from site to site defending Pam's honor, dreaming of the day she will reward you for your tireless efforts on her behalf.
Before I knew much about Ron Paul, I knew his fanboy followers from online encounters. They were/are, almost without exception, obnoxious, fanatical, condescending, paranoid, prickly and pathetic. This negative initial impression shaped my perceptions of Paul since followers tend to reflect the qualities of their leaders. Same thing here. Geller evidently encourages this kind of weird adoration. That's not a good thing.
Posted by: troyriser at May 06, 2013 07:52 PM (ptcFO)
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